Pc upgrade

[zeest]

I have the following configuration right now:
3.0 Ghz P4 HT
Asrock 775 Dual 915GL motherboard
512MB DDR RAM
80GB HD
400W PSU

I want to upgrade my pc. I have about 13k for upgrading the motherboard, ram and graphics card. DX10 support is not very important but it doesn't hurt either.
Performance is important i want to play games till crysis at mid at 1024x768. Please tell me if its possible. If not crysis then tell me till what generation games will i be able to play? U can also recommend some changes in the configuration within the budget. Thank you.:)

[sagargv]

u have ddr1 ram . .. u'll need ram too . .so go4 amd.

galaxy / POV geforce 8600GT 256mb gddr3 - 5k
asus m2a vm - 3.2k
2x1gb transcend ddr2 800mhz = 2k
amd x2 4200+ = 3.2k

when do u intend to upgrade again ?

if u can upgrade ur proccy and mobo after a few months , just for geforce 8800GT now around 14k. but u'll need a psu costing around 3.5k . . .so can u spend 17k now and upgrade mobo and proccy later ?

[Choto Cheeta]

may be u have missed this, http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71700

[zeest]

I didn't miss that thread. But i wanted to do some changes according to my budget.
So please tell me if the configuration that sagar mentioned is good enough?
I want a good upgrade right now so that i don't need to upgrade later.
Budget extended to 15k now. Is there a better graphics card for some price in my budget.

I was thinking that if this is good enough?
processor-?
motherboard- xfx 650i ultra
ram 2 x 1 gb 800mhz dual channel
7900gs
I don't know the prices. So please tell me.

[dOm1naTOr]

650i U: 4.8k
2*1Gb 800Mhz: 2.2k
7900GS: 8k
15k
so there is no room for proccy.

I think u for 15k, this wud be best as sagargv suggested. but with some changes
MSI K9A GM3: 2.8k
POV 8600GT: 5k
2*1G DDR2 667: 1.7k
AMD X2 5200+: 4.6k
Zeb 500W Platinum: 1.7k
------------------------
15.8k

[hellgate]

@zeest sell off ur present 512MB ram and get 2*1GB ram.dont buy anthing else now.let the price of 8800GT 256MB/512MB drop a little and then buy one.
if u wanna upgrade mobo and procy too then go for:
C2D E4500 - 4.5k
XFX 630i - 3.5k
2*1GB DDR2 667 - 2k
Galaxy 8600GT 256MB DDR3 - 5k
total comes to 15k

[techtronic]

Agreed with hellgate
Just upgrade your RAM to 3 GB and wrt Graphics Card, you can wait a little longer

[sagargv]

@zeest i think it would be wise to use the sticky thread choto cheeta said. there will be more people who can give you advise.

i'm not inclined towards suggesting xfx 630i as it has only single channel memory. i think dominator's suggestion would be ideal for u but i think a few hunderd bucks more for 800 mhz ram may be worth it ?

these new components are by no means today's high end . i would say they come under the low-mid end. and the 8600 is today's entry level card . so this pc is not all that future proof.this upgrade would be ideal if u use this new pc for about one year or a bit more than that. if u intend to use it a bit longer , then reconsider buying only the g-card now and updating the rest later.

ps

the 7900GS would have been an ideal choice a few months when the price of 8600 was around 8k .i regret buying my 8600 for 8k . but all games coming out today are for dx10 although they run in dx9. so 7900 is no longer recommended . so even though 8600 is not powerful enough to run dx10 games in full glory , against 7900GS the cheaper 8600 is preferred these days. instead of getting 7900 for 9k , its much better to put in 14k and get the beast 8800GT . if u're interested in taking the other path i suggested , find out the prices of hd 3850 / 3870 also , they'll be a lot better than the 8600.

[zeest]

I am getting confused. After reading all ur posts i think this will be good
MSI K9A GM3: 2.8k
POV 8600GT: 5k
2*1G DDR2 667: 1.7k
AMD X2 5200+: 4.6k
Total- 14.1k
But is this configuration good enough? The main problem is with money. Damn! I am not rich. I just want to play games at mid at 1024 x 768 resolution, not more than that.
And is this processor better than e4500?

@zeest sell off ur present 512MB ram and get 2*1GB ram.dont buy anthing else now.let the price of 8800GT 256MB/512MB drop a little and then buy one.
@ hellgate I have ddr ram, which is very expensive nowadays. In that price i can get a new motherboard in that price.

Please ppl help me out. I want to upgrade soon.

By the way is 8800gt 256 mb available now? And at what price?

[sagargv]

how soon is soon. . .. well , assuming u do it in a month .. the config u rote in the above post is good , go with it .. the 8800GT is around 15k now .so forget about it..

the e4500 will be better if overclocked but u'll need a decent board too . u'll need a xfx 650i or abit ip35 . so for low budget , stick with amd . at stock speeds amd will beat c2d.

and also find out if the smps u already own is good( just tell us all the ratings and company name ) . otherwise go with zebby 500W pure platinum

[zeest]

I will upgrade within a month. I want to buy all the above products but they will not be available in my city i think. Shall i buy them from theitwares.com? Will this configuration be able to run crysis at mid at 1024x768?
I don't know about the specifications of the psu. I will try to find out. The pc is branded thats why. But i think it will be good enough.


But i was thinking that isn't my processor good enough to play games at mid? I was thinking that i will upgrade the processor later. Because processors are not very expensive. And alternative configuration comes out to be
3.0 Ghz P4 HT
XFX 650i ultra- 4.9k
2 x 1GB DDR2 800Mhz RAM- 2.2k
XFX 8600GT -5.1k
Total- 12.2k
How this?

[baccilus]

Upgrading the proccy later is a super excellent idea. Buy a mobo that will support intels upcoming penryn processor.
If you play on XP, you will do fine even with that proccy. I have a P4, 2.66GHz processor, 1G RAM and an 8500GT and even I can play crysis pretty well( on low settings though, but it is still fun). And you will play other games with good settings. I play COD4 in strictly medium settings without a lag.

If nothing else, ( later) you will at least get a better C2D. for the same money. And I think you will also manage more money by then.
Your processor is not too lame at the moment. Believe me( mine is !)

[sagargv]

@zeest if u decide to keep proccy , do u intend to change it within 8-9 months ? otherwise , u'll be restricted to c2d's wolfdale . the nehalem proccy's wont support xfx 650i or abit ip35 .. .and do consider 8800GT . but u'll need a psu costing about 3.5k for that card.

you have to decide two things so that we can help you without confusing you with too many options.
1. buying card now and changing proccy later OR going for amd as dominator suggested
2. if u will buy proccy later , when will that be and a rough idea of what u're budget will be later.

if u intend to upgrade proccy after a year and choose to go to nehalem , there is no point in changing mobo now.

if u're budget will be restricted for the next buy , AND/OR if u upgrade within a year , xfx 650i or abit ip35 now + ur existing proccy will be good.

[dOm1naTOr]

Game performance will be gr8ly depend on Gcard nd not on CPU. A powerful CP just eliminates some CPU bottleneck.
That means
X2 4400+ + 8800GT is gar greater than E6850+8600GT as far as gaming is considered, nd both combos are at same price range.
Get a mobo, memory + 8800GT now, nd upgrade CPU later.

[zeest]

Buddy 8800Gt is very expensive to manage for me right now.
1. buying card now and changing proccy later OR going for amd as dominator suggested
2. if u will buy proccy later , when will that be and a rough idea of what u're budget will be later.
1. i will buy the card now and change proccy later
2. about 6 months after i think i will be able to buy a new processor. And the budget will not be more than 4-5k.
I m just a college student, i can't manage more money. I have to keep asking for money from my parents. And extracting money from them is very difficult. I had accumulated this money by selling my mobile phone and graphics card.

So what do u guys can finally suggest me?

I know that 8800GT is a fantastic card for its price but i can't manage that much money.

[hellgate]

@dom1nator he wont be able to cram all of mobo,ram and 8800GT in 15k.and if he buys a 8800GT he'll be needing a decent enuf psu which alone wud set him back by another 3k.

i think a oc'd E2140/E2160 wud serve him good for bout an yr.wat do u say??

@zeest ahv a look at this config:

E2140 - 2.5k
XFX 650i Ultra - 4.8k
2*1GB DDR2 667 - 2k
XFX 8600GT - 5k

total is 14.3k.
if u want u get the E2160.then total will come to bout 15k.

[j1n M@tt]

^^E2140 is not dat gud if is he is not intending to OC. Its better if he stick with his old procy and go for a new one later when he gets the money...

zeest.....according to me, u better take the config dOm1naTOr first mentioned. Its the best according to ur situations.

[zeest]

So is this configuration ok?
XFX 650i ultra- 4.9k
2 x 1GB DDR2 800Mhz RAM- 2.2k
XFX 8600GT -5.1k
Total- 12.2k
Or should i make any changes in it. I will buy the proccy later.

[baccilus]

Yup. Good one.

[sagargv]

ok . thats gr8 but dont get the card from XFX . get from POV or galaxy . if u're getting from xfx make sure its the "udd" or "use" version . dont buy "udf" series , it has heating problems.

regarding the choice of motherboard , abit ip35 mobo is gaining popularity . between the two( 650i and ip35 ) , i dont know. ask others and i think choto cheeta should give valuable suggestions for this.

and if u can manage get a zebby 500W pure platinum smps .

[j1n M@tt]

^^ABiT IP35-E is gud since it supports new 1333MHz procs from Intel........but don't expect it to perform like other P35 chipset performance mobos, which r more costlier....12k and upwards.

[zeest]

Will ABIT IP35-E will perform better than xfx 650i ultra? I also want to ask that what is the model of xfx 8600gt which doesn't have heating problems. I will buy all the products from www.theitwares.com (http://www.theitwares.com) As xfx 650i ultra also has 1333Mhz FSB so i think the processors supported by them will be same. Don't u think? Please advice me carefully. Because i can't just upgrade every 6 months.

[sagargv]

i would recommend against going for xfx 8600 . go4 galaxy . between abit ip35 and xfx 650i i dont know . i suggest u consult choto cheeta .

[hellgate]

dont go for XFX 8600GT.they hav a history of heating probs.better go for other brands.see if u can get Asus/MSI/eVGA.

[zeest]

I asked rashi peripherals and they said that the motherboard is available at 5k. And about the graphics card they said that the faulty older stock has been removed and the newer one is available for 6k. It doesn't have any problems. Should i trust them and i buy the products directly from them? Or should i buy the products from www.theitwares.com ?
On that website the prices are
xfx 650i ultra- 4.9k
xfx 8600gt- 5.1k

whereas the person from the chandigarh office of rashi peripherals told me the prices as

xfx 650i ultra-5k
xfx 8600gt-6k

From where should i buy?

[dOm1naTOr]

Dun take the chance for XFX Though XFX is reliable, rashi guys are not that reliable what wud u do if they gave u UDF7 XFX?
Point of View 8600GT, or BIG are also gun and costs some mere 5k, nd has 3yr warranty too. So go for it.
And bout mobo, get it from local store if possible for better aftersale support. And think bout online only if its very hard to find locally.

[Choto Cheeta]

Buddy i just want to ask a simple question which motherboard should i get?
Abit IP35-E or xfx 650i ultra? And i have described the condition am in, in that thread. Please help me out. Shall i post all that stuff in that thread?

its the most simple question one would even has to answer :lol: as XFX 650i ultra is no longer in the market :lol: so only one option for u is ABiT IP35-E :D

sorry cant read the full thread but as making out from the 1st page,

Get your self ABiT IP35-E, which is Rs. 4900/- + TAX, may be your vendor would as few hundres more, but at max dont pay anything higher than 5200/- + TAX...

Get a 2 GB single Stick DDR-II 667 MHz or kingstone at Rs. 1800/- + TAX, once again dont pay more than 1900/- + TAX :p

add a XFX 8600 GT which is Rs. 5500/- + TAX :D

so it stacks up to,

XFX 8600 GT @ Rs. 5500 /- + TAX
ABiT IP35-E @ Rs. 5200 /- + TAX
2 GB Single Stick DDR-II 667 MHz @ Rs. 1900 /- + TAX

TAX @ 4% VAT Rs. 504 /-
Total Rs. 13104 /-

use ur 3.0 GHz LGA 775, it will work just fine with the motherboard... this is not the right time to invest high ammount on a Processor :)

3.0 GHz HT would be fine to run the 8600 GT :)

P.S. also if possible get some thermal paste as when gaming your P4 will be pushed to its limit :lol: so will heat up a lot... try and get some good thermal paste and apply that when assembling :)

[j1n M@tt]

@zeest

If u r worried abt heating problems of XFX 8600GT, take PoV 8600GT.In India most of the stores r supplied with XFX UDF7 8600GT from RP. RP took a bulk order from XFX for UDF7 before UDD3 was released (UDD3 solved the heating issue of XFX 8600GT). So make sure u get a UDD3 XFX or go for PoV or BIG as mentioned by dOm1naTOr.

[Choto Cheeta]

@j1n M@tt

any silent version card from XFX or any brand has heating issue... any version of XFX with FAN under 8600 sereise wont relly bother you with heating issue unless you are Over Clocking the card :|

[j1n M@tt]

@choto cheeta

ma friend, am not saying against u......but u must know dat UDF7 hav some serious heating issuses. It might suite low-class gamers......but with this card u can't even play Crysis at a stretch without making it heat up high, even if u don't OC it.

[zeest]

Thanks all of u. I just want to inform that ABIT IP35-E is not avialable here in the northern region. So i will have to buy it from www.theitwares.com (http://www.theitwares.com) I want to ask that as the xfx card has a overheating problem so which card will be best? In chandigarh only xfx and asus are available. But asus is very expensive. So which one should i buy?

[sagargv]

asus is definitely my choice . but the cost is also high.buy it if u can afford it . or get the card (galaxy or POV) also from theitwares

[j1n M@tt]

@zeest

If u r getting things from It wares, then buy a Point of View 8600GT too from them. Otherwise go for XFX itself........since u r a casual gamer and not going to fiddle with it too much :) I mean OC and stuffs like dat........

[sagargv]

^^ my xfx 8600GT udf7 without OC goes upto 107C on running ati tool for 15 mins. nfs carbon takes it upto 88C and so does POP . i dont think thats "serious gaming".

[zeest]

I am not a casual gamer. I am a serious gamer. But i don't have money to buy high end cards. I made my fx 5200 cry when i stretched it to 430Mhz as compared to 333 stock. So i will definitely overclock the card. But the POV 8600GT fared badly in digit reviews so i am in a dilemma right now. What to do? Which card to buy?

[sagargv]

galaxy

[zeest]

Thanks to all of u for ur help.
So final decision is
Abit P35-E
2GB DDR2 800Mhz RAM
8600GT Galaxy or POV (based on availability)

One more thing is that a person is selling 7800GTX in this forum for 6k. The card is 1.5 yrs old. Should i get it? Will it work on a 400W PSU?

[sagargv]

yes a 7800GTX will perform better. but if its Go 7800GTX , then i vote for 8600GT .

the card is 1.5yr old.hmmm . test the card. .check the temps , verify that its not artifacting. besides that , do u know / trust the seller or does he have a good reputation.

i feel most g-cards are manufactured keeping in mind that they will be used for 3 to 3.5 years . after that the cards die or start behaving erratically. so if its been used for 1.5 yrs , it has about 2 years life left. is it enough ?

yes a 7800GTX will perform better. but if its Go 7800GTX , then i vote for 8600GT .

the card is 1.5yr old.hmmm . test the card. .check the temps , verify that its not artifacting. besides that , do u know / trust the seller or does he have a good reputation.

i feel most g-cards are manufactured keeping in mind that they will be used for 3 to 3.5 years . after that the cards die or start behaving erratically. so if its been used for 1.5 yrs , it has about 2 years life left. is it enough ? and dont forget that the 8600GT is gr8 OCer .

oh yeah , the psu i dont think will be enough . a zebronics 500W may suffice .but the 7800GTX was a high end and its better to get a better power supply like cooler master 600W

[zeest]

What is a Go 7800GTX? The card is from XFX. I don't know about the reputation of the buyer as i am new here. Look at this thread. And tell me if i should consider buying it? http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76031

[sagargv]

if this is the card

http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/listConfigurations.jspa;jsessionid=a_2-0kYEKPE5u9k-pF?series=GeForce%26trade%3B+7800&seriesId=12035&productId=85744

then i think its a pretty good buy. . .i dunno this guy either . anyway , check temps and for artifacts b4 buying . but i think u'll need a better psu to run that card. i think a cooler master 600W costing around 3.5k maybe needed.
i dont think a local 450W psu can power this card. ask the guy from whom u r buying wat smps he's using.

[dOm1naTOr]

And the 7800GTX 512 MB is much better than normal 7800GTX. It even beats 7900GT 256 hands down.
And if u havent done some serious overclocking nd continue using them in oced nd overheated[still stable] state for long, then it cud easily last uch more than 3~3.5 yrs.

[zeest]

That guy is not replying so i will put this thread on hold. Lets see what happens? If he replies then i can get this card. By the way there is another nice thread out there. What do u say about this seller? Should i trust him by buying that second hand 8600GT. It may have heating problems.
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79463

[quadroplex780]

He is my brother and go ahead ask everyone before buying.
This will help-
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79336

[sagargv]

i vouch for harvik . just find out the running temps for those cards. u can trust wat he says . i think they r in safe limits..i recall pming harvik abt that .

if peak is below 80C , u got urself a gr8 deal . .buy it b4 it gets sold out.

[zeest]

This is what he says
Please do bare in mind that i have adequate cooling in my system.A total of 4 80mm fans.Two fans,one for each video card,one for exhaust and one for North Bridge cooling.
The temps recorded with an overclock of 675mhz core/1566Mhz shader/860Mhz memory at idle were 43C for one,47C for the other and 72C Max for one,77C Max for the other at 100% load with 3DMark06(Varies for both cards).The onboard fan on these cards always runs at 100% as designed by XFX.
I am currently located in Patna,Bihar.Will ship to anywhere in India.Shipment will be done after we discuss the available options(courier services)which are satisfactory for both of us.
Yes i have the bill and i'll provide a scanned copy of the bill with the card.Can't give the original bill because it also has mention of other products i bought.
Payment method should be done via Demand Draft.
But i have a simple system. I don't have as much cooling as Harvik. SO i think the temps can go upto 100C in my PC. What do u think?

[sagargv]

go ahead and buy the card(the one with 43C idle). if need be , you can add more fans. my card was idling at 63C LoL.

[zeest]

But harvik has gr8 cooling in his system. I just bought an "esys" branded pc and it doesn't have any extra cooling. So?

[sagargv]

its ur choice . if u're so much bothered , pay 1k extra and get a new galaxy 8600GT which i hear comes with a cool cooler.

[cooldude1]

Hey zeest (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=32498) I am Rahul from TheITWares let me know if you need any help.

Thank you.

[hellgate]

^^^ hey do u know when E8400 will hit Indian markets (shops) and at wat price??

[cooldude1]

^^ Current Price around 9500 or 9600 Rs PM me know if u need one