is this system config ok for games

[chicha]

AMD X2 6000+
ASUS M2A-VM
1*2 GB DDR2 800
Asus EN8600GT 256MB

and please suggest a suitable SMPS.

is this good enough for post HL2 games.i play games at 1024*768 only.

will this config have any bottleneck?
i am a AMD fan and want to stick to it.

i posted in QnA section and i was suggested

Amd 5200 + 2.7 brisbane or amd 5000 black edition
asus M2N-E or MSI K9N ultra
2gb 800mhz ram

where can i get these bangalore.

[dOm1naTOr]

Yup, its enuf for todays games. The bottleneck will be the 8600GT GPU. But its more than enuf to play @ 1024*768 maxed out.

[MetalheadGautham]

if you throw in atlease another 512 mb ram(making it 2+0.5 gb), you may concider an Ati mobo with onboard AMD 690 G if you are an amd fan. onboard these days is still good enough for gaming if you allot max memory for it.

[harryneopotter]

no ..... dnt disturb ur dual channel config for mere 512 more ram ..........

ur choice is good enough ...... or if u want to overclock thn consider
Asus M2NPV VM ..........

[dOm1naTOr]

Get M2N E or some nforce ultra boards from MSI instead of M2A VM or M2N PV VM or MX.
Ultra boards are pure performance boards with oodles of features, nd M2N E costs only 4k or less and its an ATX mobo with copper heatpipes.

[chicha]

ok so its M2NE.

and how can i avoid bottleneck at my Card?
will adding one more GB of ram solve it?

and also later when i get a job that is(5-6 months) may be just may be i could go for a 8800:razz:

but its 8600GT for now.

[xbonez]

don't add anymore RAM....leave it 1gbx2 in dual-channel.

8600GT is gud enuf for now, but yeah, as soon as u can, go for the 8800GT

[desiibond]

ok so its M2NE.

and how can i avoid bottleneck at my Card?
will adding one more GB of ram solve it?

and also later when i get a job that is(5-6 months) may be just may be i could go for a 8800:razz:

but its 8600GT for now.

Some info on processor:

AMD has recently released new Brisbane BE series (successor to Brisbane series) and has omitted "64" from processor name.

It's just Athlon X2 now.

eg: Athlon X2 BE-2400. Runs at 2.3GHz, part number ADH2400IAA5DO. This one has really good overclocking potential and has damn low power consumption @ 45W. Released on October 8th.

take a printout of the following two documents before buying the processor and make sure you get the latest release.:

1)Complete list of AMD Processors (except the latest Athlon X2) : "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athlon_64_microprocessors#Athlon_64_X2"

2) List of Brisbane BE series processors:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athlon_X2_microprocessors

This one can be overclocked to 3.5Ghz+ on stock cooling.

[chicha]

Why don't you get 8800GT. I think it's just 12k and it's perfomance equals 20-25k cards. Totally new architecture. Worth every penny.

Some info on processor:

AMD has recently released new Brisbane BE series (successor to Brisbane series) and has omitted "64" from processor name.

It's just Athlon X2 now.

eg: Athlon X2 BE-2400. Runs at 2.3GHz, part number ADH2400IAA5DO. This one has really good overclocking potential and has damn low power consumption @ 45W. Released on October 8th.

take a printout of the following two documents before buying the processor and make sure you get the latest release.:

1)Complete list of AMD Processors (except the latest Athlon X2) : "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athlon_64_microprocessors#Athlon_64_X2"

2) List of Brisbane BE series processors:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athlon_X2_microprocessors

This one can be overclocked to 3.5Ghz+ on stock cooling.

8800GT is not an option now, no money.
2-3 years later i will buy then best card.
and this BE series is it available in bangalore and what is the cost of this CPU?
also my budget 25K max.
monitor keyboard are all there.

just these and a tower with powersuppy(suggest me one for this config) i will be overclocking too.

[desiibond]

Athlon X2 BE-2400 at 2.3GHz for Rs.4,206.62 ($104);
the Athlon LE-1620 and LE-1600 at 2.4GHz and 2.2GHz for Rs.2,143.76 ($53) and Rs.1,901.07 ($47), respectively;
All pricing is for batches of 1,000 units.

[keith_j_snyder2]

Wohhh....now hold on fellas!
I should say if AMD is the choice, just wait for 2 more months and u will see the PHENOM X2 and X3 within good price range!
Since X4 is already in the market....and ...unfortunately...not-selling like hot cakes, but they(Few benchies) say PHENOM performs better than current AMD X2( K8 )architect!

As if u are really wanna look for "BLACK EDITION" then i gotta tell u that its an Awesome overclocker.....i read it somewhere that it can go upto 25X multiplier (Just see for yourself & google around a little bit)!


Another thing, if u are low on budget then buy 8600 GT now but if u need a 8800 GT then u should also consider ATi 3870, which is a hot deal now days and competing with 8800 GT!

If u wish to wait then u should see 9 series from nVidia within next 2 months!

[MetalheadGautham]

I still feel that if you are on a low budget, go for onboard. As you said, in a few years you will buy something topnotch.

The problem with the black editions is that they are often lacking in L2 Cache. You need atleast 4 mb of it to make your processor look good.

does anybody know any low cost AMD prosessors which have min 4 mb L2 cache and min 2.6 Ghz per core? with overclockability?

[xbonez]

if u're gonna use onboard, it would be better u just don't game.....dude, at least go for the 8600GT....upgrade later to some higher end card but don't try to manage with onboard

[desiibond]

I still feel that if you are on a low budget, go for onboard. As you said, in a few years you will buy something topnotch.

The problem with the black editions is that they are often lacking in L2 Cache. You need atleast 4 mb of it to make your processor look good.

does anybody know any low cost AMD prosessors which have min 4 mb L2 cache and min 2.6 Ghz per core? with overclockability?

onboard. hell with onboard. the days of onboard are over buddy. It's gonna be the age of true GPU's. 70-80% of the latest games coming out these days need atleast an 8600GT for some decent frame rate. With onboard gpu, you can count the frame rate yourself.

[dOm1naTOr]

ok so its M2NE.

and how can i avoid bottleneck at my Card?
will adding one more GB of ram solve it?

and also later when i get a job that is(5-6 months) may be just may be i could go for a 8800:razz:

but its 8600GT for now.

The card wud be bottleneck coz its the slowest responding component in ur specified config. That is an 8600GT can't keep up with such proccy nd memory speed. So the overall performance wud be limited to the card.
Now get the cheapest 8600GT card out like Zebronics 8600GT for 5k or lower. Dun waste money on XFX or Asus which will be 6k. They are only worth in long run.

And get 8800GTS new[65nm] 512 or 1G. Its faster than 8800GTX/Ultra and wud be just a few 1000 bucks than 8800GT 512.

Get at least 450W gud power supply which will start @ 1.5k.

[chicha]

ok thank you.
i have asked for a 550W power supply he told me it was 2500 and the tower 1200.

as for the others i am waitng for tom, my last exam.
i will go to the shops get the list of what they have and the price and post.
then it will be more easier for me to decide.

[desiibond]

The card wud be bottleneck coz its the slowest responding component in ur specified config. That is an 8600GT can't keep up with such proccy nd memory speed. So the overall performance wud be limited to the card.
Now get the cheapest 8600GT card out like Zebronics 8600GT for 5k or lower. Dun waste money on XFX or Asus which will be 6k. They are only worth in long run.

And get 8800GTS new[65nm] 512 or 1G. Its faster than 8800GTX/Ultra and wud be just a few 1000 bucks than 8800GT 512.

Get at least 450W gud power supply which will start @ 1.5k.
You kiddin? Zebronics card? They can't even make proper SMPS and you are suggesting zebronics card.

It's really funny to hear that 8600GT is a bottleneck on a system that has 2.4GHz dual core processor and 2gig ram. Stop giving stupid suggestions. Having 2.4Ghz dual core processor doesn't mean that we should buy 8800GT or the best-in-market card.

And you better read the posts carefully.

Chicha said:

8800GT is not an option now, no money.
2-3 years later i will buy then best card.


So, he needs a card that has to run for atleast 2 years and I wonder how a zebronics card play games that come after 4-5 months from now.

[dOm1naTOr]

@desiibond
Zebronics cards are bot that bad. Moreover even XFX can't be trusted always. The first series of their 8600GT [UDF7] has serious heating issues while cards from BIG or Zebronics had no issues.
There are soem guys in dis forum with Zeb 8600GT and no probs with them.

ok so its M2NE.

and how can i avoid bottleneck at my Card?
will adding one more GB of ram solve it?

and also later when i get a job that is(5-6 months) may be just may be i could go for a 8800:razz:

but its 8600GT for now.
@desiibond
And i think Zebronics is better choice for dat 5~6 months as they are almost 1k cheaper and they too haf 3yr warranty .

And u say if he wanna avoid bottleneck on games id that config, he has to get better CPU!!!
I dun think so...With that config, the gaming performance is sure to be limited due to the 8600GT that the CPU.
It gives almost double the performance if it has 8800 instead of a 3GHZ CPU. I think u got the point.

[desiibond]

yes. 8800 gives double the performance.

But for a resolution of 1024x768, do you think 8800 is necessary?

Athlon X2 BE 2.4GHz proccy + 8600GT costs around 11k.

8800GT is 13k + Athlon X2 BE 2.4GHz proccy costs aound 18k.

Save that extra 7k and put it in something else like HDD raid setup or loads and loads of RAM etc. What will be better combination?

System is not just for games, When he is not playing games, the system should have enough potential to do multitasking and you know how memory hogging the new softwares are. That's when 2.4GHz CPU comes to the rescue. Does 8800 help Nero 8 burn a DVD while watching movies. No. It's the processor that provides that extra power. I think you got my point.

@chicha, if you need info on where to get BE series, check with Ingram micro

http://in.ingrammicro.com/corporate/corporate.jsp

Oblivion @ 1280x1024 on 8600GT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QQNfz224Ik&feature=related

bioshock on 1024x768: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KIkV8Rldto

[chicha]

^^^that was a nice info.

[keith_j_snyder2]

I still feel that if you are on a low budget, go for onboard. As you said, in a few years you will buy something topnotch.

The problem with the black editions is that they are often lacking in L2 Cache. You need atleast 4 mb of it to make your processor look good.

does anybody know any low cost AMD prosessors which have min 4 mb L2 cache and min 2.6 Ghz per core? with overclockability?

There is no AMD with 4 MB L2 Cache on it!

Even the new PHENOM has 2 Mb L@ Cache and 2 MB L3 Cache!

The only 4 MB L2 Cache are Conroes!

I suggest it is better to wait than buying Conroe for Penryn which has 6 MB and 12 Mb L2 Cache!

[j1n M@tt]

hey check out some AMD Athlon BE series. Its 65nm......resonably overclockable.

(But no guys have any good opinion about this)

[dOm1naTOr]

@keith_j_snyder2
12MB L2 cache!!:shock:

[j1n M@tt]

ha......its wise to wait for penryn.

[cynosure]

My 8600GT 512MB DDR2 can play all the games (except crysis) at 1440x900 with everything max except shadows (which are switched to medium) and vsync turned off. I think it is vfm.

I have played bioshock demo and nfsps demo with all settings to max. (vsync off) but with crysis demo I need to lower the res to 1280x1024 with everything set to medium + vsync turned off + water effects and physics at high. The game is quite playable, no drop in fps. Just defragment your hd before playing todays games.:)

I cant get my hands on ut3demo :(

[keith_j_snyder2]

Yup thats true!

Penryn Cores are 45 nm FAB!
and Penryn quadcores are having 12MB L2 Cache and 1600 Mhz FSB!
Dual Core penryns will have the same config but with 6Mb L2 Cache!

Search the web for QX9650 Penryn...already benchmarked!

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/583/1/ (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071029-intels-45nm-penrynyorkfield-architecture-debuts-packing-a-serious-punch.html)

Though this processor is not 1600 FSB but the new QX 9770 will be for sure!

[desiibond]

It's gonna cost a bomb. :-)

[keith_j_snyder2]

yeah for sure!

U know the X6800 was also costs same when it was launched!
But E6850 give better performance than X6800 and priced almost 75% lesser than that!
I m saying that not sufficiently it is advisable to only look for the QX9770 but there's going to be mainstream processors too like Q6600 and E6850 and E6750 as they are now!

So they really gonna bring some pain to the rival!

[chicha]

My 8600GT 512MB DDR2 can play all the games (except crysis) at 1440x900 with everything max except shadows (which are switched to medium) and vsync turned off. I think it is vfm.

I have played bioshock demo and nfsps demo with all settings to max. (vsync off) but with crysis demo I need to lower the res to 1280x1024 with everything set to medium + vsync turned off + water effects and physics at high. The game is quite playable, no drop in fps. Just defragment your hd before playing todays games.:)

I cant get my hands on ut3demo :(

i was looking for a 256MB version what is the difference? and is the 512MB one DDR3 or DDR2?

[desiibond]

Always look for card that has GDDR3 RAM.

256MB GDDR3 is faster (even double) than 512MB DDR2.

GDDR3, Graphics Double Data Rate 3, is a graphics card-specific memory technology, designed by ATI Technologies.

It has much the same technological base as DDR2, but the power and heat dispersal requirements have been reduced somewhat, allowing for higher-speed memory modules, and simplified cooling systems. Unlike the DDR2 used on graphics cards, GDDR3 is unrelated to the upcoming JEDEC DDR3 specification. This memory uses internal terminators, enabling it to better handle certain graphics demands. To improve bandwidth, GDDR3 memory transfers 4 bits of data per pin in 2 clock cycles


There was GPU roundup in October 2007 digit issue.

Found this awesome card ASUS EN8600GT. This was damn fast and churned more frames than 8600GTS, which were 10k+. The price listed in the magazine for EN8600GT was Rs. 8,800. You should be able to get this card for 6.5-7k easily.

There is one more model ASUS EN8600GT Silent (without fan, has silent heatpipe). This one is nowhere near to the one mentioned above.

If you can get ASUS EN8600GT with 512MB of GDDR3 RAM for less than 7k, go for it. You will definitely get stellar performace/price ratio :-)

[chicha]

There was GPU roundup in October 2007 digit issue.

Found this awesome card ASUS EN8600GT. This was damn fast and churned more frames than 8600GTS, which were 10k+. The price listed in the magazine for EN8600GT was Rs. 8,800. You should be able to get this card for 6.5-7k easily.

There is one more model ASUS EN8600GT Silent (without fan, has silent heatpipe). This one is nowhere near to the one mentioned above.

If you can get ASUS EN8600GT with 512MB of GDDR3 RAM for less than 7k, go for it. You will definitely get stellar performace/price ratio :-)

yes i know DDR2 and DDR3, but thank you anyway.
i wanted to know the price differnce between a 256MB and 512MB DDR3.

i looked many places for this perticular model, i too read the issue you are talking about. In bangalore i looked, in some places but did not get it. i will look again today and post.

thanks a lot

[desiibond]

512MB 8600GT (XFX/ASUS) is not available at SP Road and owner of Railton said that he will get it by next month. He said it's not yet released in Bangalore.

[keith_j_snyder2]

yes i know DDR2 and DDR3, but thank you anyway.
i wanted to know the price differnce between a 256MB and 512MB DDR3.

i looked many places for this perticular model, i too read the issue you are talking about. In bangalore i looked, in some places but did not get it. i will look again today and post.

thanks a lot

The diff. between 512 and 256 MB versions og 8600 Gt is hardly 1500/-