Basic Guide Purchase a New System

[Choto Cheeta]

So many topic on what to buy under certain price range so this bellow guide would offer a general idea on certain budget and need.

Basic Information before buying a Desktop PC ?

Few very important point which needs to be answered before you may think to choose the right hardware for your Desktop :D

The reason - You are in need to ask your self a basic question as why are you buying this PC. Do you plan to play game ? or rather this PC is about entertainment like movies / Music ? or may be you need to have a system for a certain type of app, such as video processing ? The Budget - Most of us dont have an unlimited budget to think of, so the system needs to come under a certain budget :D so do make a budget for your self

Variable computer Configurations

It is not really wise to buy a PC 1st then think to run application later on. For example, if you are in need to have a PC for movies and entertainment, then you must concentrate heavily on your display. At-least a 19" Widescree HD TFT is what you should eye for as even to play full HD (1080p), one may just need AMD X2 4000 or above with cheapest onboard motherboard like M2N-MX SE along with 2 GB RAM.

But then again when you main need is heavy processing for video editing or ripping or may be data base applications, then its better to get a low cost CRT, where as invest heavily on your Core hardware as like a 45nm Core 2 Duo along with 4 GBs of system RAM !!!

Computers are for every one

yeah, in this post you may find full computer configuration ranging from Rs. 15000 up to as high as Rs. 60k.

So choose whats your budget and need.

Feel free to ask

Even though I list every time of configuration but as an unique user u may have question and doubt, therefore feel free to drop a question here mentioning your budget and need :D

So let us build our PCs :D

Lets Go Low

Target PC within Rs. 12000/- + TAX

Buy a PC which makes sense in a budget as low as possible... This would be a PC for basic Office job, running basic office apps for accounting, printing and stuff like that !!!! It will be running Windows XP with ease !!!

AMD Sepron 3200+ / AMD Sempron LE 1150 @ Rs. 1200 /- + VAT
MSI K8MM-V / M9MM-V @ Rs. 1600 /- + VAT
512 MB DDR-II 667 MHz (Transcend / Kingstone) @ Rs. 550 /- + VAT
80 GB SATA (WD / Segeate / SAMSUNG) @ Rs. 1525 /- + VAT
DVD RW (IDE - Any brand) @ Rs. 1100 /- + VAT
Any local cabinet with default 450 watts SMPS @ Rs. 1200 /- + VAT
Local Keyboard & mouse @ Rs. 375 /- + VAT
LG 17" CRT 700E @ Rs. 4150 /- + VAT
Any stereo speaker @ Rs. 350 /- + VAT
Any Local UPS @ Rs. 1400 /- + VAT

TAX @ 4% 482 /-
Total Rs. 13132 /-

This one is only meant to run windows XP, now if you plan to run vista or such for little entertainment, you can add on this, like getting 1 GB RAM @ Rs. 850/- instead of 512 MB, also changing the motherboard from VIA chipset based M8MM-V to Windows Vista Compatible ASUS M2N-MX SE @ Rs. 2300/- + VAT.

Students (upto std 12th) PC

Target Rs. 20000/-

PC now days are becoming must for students also... Helps on their home work, also allows them to run application for learning as well as little entertainment ... This will allow them to run Windows Vista with full effect, the onboard ATi HD 3200 grfx is just good enough for some gaming too..

AMD X2 4200+ @ Rs. 2600 /- + VAT
MSI K9AGM V2 (http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&prod_no=1430&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=171) / MSI K9AGM-FD (http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&prod_no=1436&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=171) (AMD 780G) @ Rs. 4400 /- + VAT
2 GB DDR-II 667 MHz (Transend / Kingstone) @ Rs. 1850 /- + VAT
160 GB SATA-II 7200.10 (WD / SAMSUNG / Seagete) @ Rs. 1825 /- + VAT
DVD RW (IDE - Any brand) @ Rs. 1100 /- + VAT
Any local cabinet with default 450 watts SMPS @ Rs. 1200 /- + VAT
Microsoft / Logitech Keyboard Mouse combo @ Rs. 650 /- + VAT
LG 17" CRT 700E (Monitor) @ Rs. 4150 /- + VAT
Logitech / Creative 2.1 Speaker @ Rs. 1100 /- + VAT
Any Local UPS @ Rs. 1400 /- + VAT

TAX @ 4% 811 /-
Total Rs. 21086 /-

This is a really good platform to start your computer career on studies, it gives you ability to run any performance hungry applications. AMD Athlon X2 4200+ is a gr8 value for money 65nm processor where as you are getting the best available onboard graphics motherboard, the AMD 780G based. The motherboard comes with ATi HD3200 video chipset and along with 2 GB system RAM allowing Vista to run with its full glory and enabling you to play some modern games under DirectX 10 platform also :D

The Intel Counter Part

Intel E2140 / E2160 / E2180 @ Rs. 2600 /- + VAT
XFX 630i (nvidia 7150) (http://www.chotocheeta.com/2008/01/20/quick-look-review-at-xfx-630i-7150-motherboard-for-a-budget-yes-performance-quad-core-system/) @ Rs. 3450 /- + VAT
2 GB DDR-II 667 MHz (Transend / Kingstone) @ Rs. 1850 /- + VAT
160 GB SATA-II 7200.10 (WD / SAMSUNG / Seagete) @ Rs. 1825 /- + VAT
DVD RW (IDE - Any brand) @ Rs. 1100 /- + VAT
Any local cabinet with default 450 watts SMPS @ Rs. 1200 /- + VAT
Microsoft / Logitech Keyboard Mouse combo @ Rs. 650 /- + VAT
LG 17" CRT 700E @ Rs. 4150 /- + VAT
Logitech / Creative 2.1 Speaker @ Rs. 1100 /- + VAT
Any Local UPS @ Rs. 1400 /- + VAT

TAX @ 4% 773 /-
Total Rs. 20098 /-

This intel config for those who wants to stick to Intel only, where as I would vote for AMD config any day, as both processor and motherboard both are far better than this Intel Config.

Those who wants Intel motherboard also, they may opt for Intel G31 or G33 based board, like DG31PR @ Rs. 2900/- + VAT or DG33BR @ Rs. 3300/- + TAX

Do note, there will not be any overclocking with Intel boards, where as XFX 630i will allow over clock and nvidia 7150 video chipset is once again will out perform Intel X3100 any day :D how ever 630i lacks dual channel support

If you have little higher budget for a entertainment PC, then simply replace the CRT display with a 19" Widescreen display, like Dell SE198WFP (http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/19lcd?c=in&cs=indhs1&l=en&s=dhs) or View Sonic vx1945wm (http://www.chotocheeta.com/2008/01/22/quick-look-review-at-view-sonic-vx1945wm-19-hd-widescreen-with-viewdock/) or LG L194WT (http://www.in.lge.com/Product/Products-Details.aspx?cat=171&pid=4776&subcat=LCD), all retails at around Rs. 9.5k + VAT

Where as if you plan to play some games in it also as a normal gamer, then simply change the motherboard for AMD config to M2N MX SE which is Rs. 2300/- + VAT and add a graphics cards such as XFX 8600 GT GDDR-III 256 MB @ Rs. 4400/- + TAX or better ATi Readon HD 3650 at around Rs. 5500/- + VAT

Entertainment / Movies

Budget is upto Rs. 25000/-

Primary its aimed for those who wants a PC for entertainment, a bit of gaming, lot of movies / music, Internet surfing and stuff like that.

AMD Athlon X2 4800+ @ Rs. 3000 /- + VAT
MSI K9AGM V2 (http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&prod_no=1430&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=171) / MSI K9AGM-FD (http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&prod_no=1436&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=171) (AMD 780G) @ Rs. 4400 /- + VAT
2 GB DDR-II 667 MHz (Transend / Kingstone) @ Rs. 1850 /- + VAT
160 GB SATA-II 7200.10 (WD / Segeate / SAMSUNG) @ Rs. 1825 /- + VAT
DVD RW (IDE - Any brand) @ Rs. 1100 /- + VAT
Any local cabinet with default 450 watts SMPS @ Rs. 1200 /- + VAT
Local Keyboard & mouse @ Rs. 375 /- + VAT
Dell SE198WFP (http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/19lcd?c=in&cs=indhs1&l=en&s=dhs) or View Sonic vx1945wm (http://www.chotocheeta.com/2008/01/22/quick-look-review-at-view-sonic-vx1945wm-19-hd-widescreen-with-viewdock/) or LG L194WT (http://www.in.lge.com/Product/Products-Details.aspx?cat=171&pid=4776&subcat=LCD) WideScreen HD TFT @ Rs. 9500 /- + VAT
Creaive / Logitech 2.1 @ Rs. 1100 /- + VAT
Any local UPS @ Rs. 1400 /- + VAT

TAX @ 4% 1030 /-
Total Rs. 26780 /-

Add up to this config as you have little higher budget, like add a vista compatible TV tuner Card from Pinnacle / WinFast @ Rs. 2k + TAX

this is an awesome config along with a gr8 value for money AMD Range processor, also the AMD 780G along with its ATi HD 3200 onboard will allow vista to run with full glory and play full HD (1080p) without any problem.

If you are tight in budget and in need to fit this under Rs. 25k then just change the motherboard to AMD 690G based M2A-VM (DVI) which is Rs. 3100/- + VAT !!

-----------------The Media Center Edition---------------

Purpose, Simply entertainment movies and music and mid range gaming

Budget

Rs. 40k or lower for entertainment movies and music.... and higher Rs. 60k for some heavy gaming + entertainment movies and music...

Rs. 40000/- MCE

Intel Core 2 Duo @ Rs. 7200 /- + VAT
ABiT IP35-E @ Rs. 5200 /- + VAT
XFX 8400 GS @ Rs. 1850 /- + VAT
Pinnacle TV Tuner Kit for Vista @ Rs. 1875 /- + VAT
2 GB DDR-II 667 MHz (Transend / Kingstone) @ Rs. 1850 /- + VAT
250 GB SATA-II 16MB Buffer (WD Cavire 16SE) @ Rs. 2650 /- + VAT
DVD RW (IDE - Any brand) @ Rs. 1100 /- + VAT
Zebronics / iBall good looking cabinet with Zebrmonics Platinum 500 watts @ Rs. 2500 /- + VAT
Logitech / Microsoft Combo (Keyboard + Mouse) @ Rs. 650 /- + VAT
Dell SE198WFP (http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/19lcd?c=in&cs=indhs1&l=en&s=dhs) or View Sonic vx1945wm (http://www.chotocheeta.com/2008/01/22/quick-look-review-at-view-sonic-vx1945wm-19-hd-widescreen-with-viewdock/) or LG L194WT (http://www.in.lge.com/Product/Products-Details.aspx?cat=171&pid=4776&subcat=LCD) WideScreen HD TFT @ Rs. 9500 /- + VAT @ Rs. 9500 /- + VAT
Creaive / Logitech 5.1 @ Rs. 3200 /- + VAT
Any local UPS @ Rs. 1400 /- + VAT

TAX @ 4% 1559 /-
Total Rs. 40534 /-

However its bit tricky !!! As if you are more on movies / music / TV then, no point investing high amount on Intel, it would be better opting for AMD 4800 along with MSI K9AGM V2 or K9AGM-FD which would allow you to save some money to think for a 22" large screen such as Dell or LG at around Rs. 16k :D

Budget Rs. 60 - 65k for heavy performance and gaming

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 / E8500 @ Rs. 13300 /- + VAT
ASUS P5K @ Rs. 7500 /- + VAT
XFX 9600 GT / EVGA 9600 GT @ Rs. 10000 /- + VAT (Note, ATi HD 4850 @ Rs. 12.5k would be much better of same budget nvidia)
Pinnacle TV Tuner Kit for Vista @ Rs. 1875 /- + VAT
2 GB DDR-II 667 MHz (Transend / Kingstone) @ Rs. 1850 /- + VAT
250 GB SATA-II 16MB Buffer (WD Cavire 16SE) @ Rs. 2650 /- + VAT
DVD RW (IDE - Any brand) @ Rs. 1100 /- + VAT
Cooler Master 600 watts eXtreme SMPS @ Rs. 3200 /- + VAT
A good looking Cabinet (Zerbonics / iBall) @ Rs. 1500 /- + VAT
Logitech / Microsoft Combo (Keyboard + Mouse) @ Rs. 650 /- + VAT
Dell / LG / View Sonic 22" TFT @ Rs. 16000 /- + VAT
Creaive / Logitech 5.1 @ Rs. 3200 /- + VAT
Any local UPS @ Rs. 1400 /- + VAT

TAX @ 4% 2569 /-
Total Rs. 66794 /-

Note the big difference, as here in this config you are spending more money in your SMPS, reason is the performance power hungry hardware which you have. All though this config will run with Zebronics 500 watts platium, but do note, 45nms are good over clockers so as you OC your card of processor system will struggle for power and will suffer instability.

Tricky part is if thinking performance, then Q9450 is what you buy where as for gaming E8500 is what to look for :D

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Feel free to discuss your problem and questions, I would be happy to reply !!!

I will keep this post up to date every month or so, as it needs any :D

Thank you.

[floyd80]

Nice thread mate :)!!!

[sam_1710]

Hey, cheeta..
i see "2 GB DR-II 667 @ Rs. 3800" everywhere in ur thread...
Are u sure its jus 3800?? ..

[Choto Cheeta]

Why ??

Transcend 1 GB DDR-II 667 is Rs. 1900/- + TAX, so we buy 2 x 1 GB Modules for Rs. 3800 + TAX !!!!

Kolkata Price... !!!

[sam_1710]

oh.. i dont check h/w rates often... so i dint kno..!! :)
i jus wanted to confirm dat b4 purchasing them.. !!
Thanks !!
SUPER THREAD!! http://forums.armagetronad.net/images/smiles/smiley_star.gif http://forums.armagetronad.net/images/smiles/smiley_star.gif http://forums.armagetronad.net/images/smiles/smiley_star.gif http://forums.armagetronad.net/images/smiles/smiley_star.gif http://forums.armagetronad.net/images/smiles/smiley_star.gif

[Choto Cheeta]

Nice thread mate

SUPER THREAD!!

Thanks for the comment :)

[arun_chennai]

very good work yar....

[Phalanx]

Hey, cheeta..
i see "2 GB DR-II 667 @ Rs. 3800" everywhere in ur thread...
Are u sure its jus 3800?? ..

Brands like Transcend/Kingston cost 1700-1750 per GB in Bangalore... So u can get 2 GB for <=3500:)

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^^

There is 1700/- + TAX offer available... but my vendor insists will be problem in warrenty !!!!

I believed him and stayed away from it !!!

:(

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

ok these links have already been posted some where in the fourm but lemme do it here

www.deltapage.com (http://www.deltapage.com)

http://www.freewebs.com/abdulmustak/index.htm

this abdulmastak site is good....especially the b'lore pirce list...its long

[56561]

good and useful post man . i liked it very much . anyway as ur name is choto cheeta that means small sized leopard I hope ? so why u posted that neo as ur avatar?

[Choto Cheeta]

good and useful post man . i liked it very much .

Thanks for the Comment !!!

:)

anyway as ur name is choto cheeta that means small sized leopard I hope ? so why u posted that neo as ur avatar?

Well when I started I used to be one Matrix FAN :D and as new to the foruming and stuff those days didnt have enough knoledge on AVART and Stuff saw every one using some thing, so i used one wallpaper to cut the face out :lol: Since then I used this to every forum / UG / Discussion board i visit :) as those who know its easy to ID me :P

and Cheeta, means Cheetah, cheetah and Leopard are 2 differenent CATs :p

[troubleshooter]

Thats a great guide you have here. I was looking for a system for my friend and it has been of great help. Thanks man....

[Vishal Gupta]

Excellent effort "Little Devil". ;)
Really appreciate it.

[xbonez]

wonderful info. its a shame it'll be outdated in less than 2 months. u'll have to redo it then. btw, how much time did the entire thing take?

[darklord]

Nice work there, keep it up :)
Good effort

[wizrulz]

can u update it every 2 months or every 3 montsh :D with prices....MAKE THIS STICKY.....then

[blackpearl]

Excellent thread. Deserves to be sticky.

[Quiz_Master]

Amazing..cool list..
Right on time for me. As I am going to upgrade.
Yes, The thread is worth a sticky...

Hmmm... So saurav bhai also started as a n00b :D (But thast true for everyone. :D)

Long live Choto Cheeta...hehe...
Again..Great effort.

[sagargv]

shud be made sticky.....gr8 job .plz update prices and configs as needed..

[keith_j_snyder2]

Nice work dude...but make sure u update all the prices regularly!

[xbonez]

just upgrading prices wouldn't do. u'll need to redo the entire thing every couple of months

[casanova]

Deserves to be a sticky, nice work

[cynosure]

Yes this has to be Sticky. Or who will search this thread again and again!!

[sysfilez]

very very nice thread. this will really help me as i very often assemble pcs for my friends.

[phuchungbhutia]

nice thread buddy :-)... looking forward to upgrade my pc ... great help ...... surely voted 4 sticky

[Sourabh]

Congratulations, this thread is now a sticky. Please keep it updated so that it is relevant always.

[Choto Cheeta]

Thanks all for the comments and thnks to the mods for making it a sticky !!!

But really as many said its a thread which would go through a overhaul may be in every 2/3 months

See its not possible for me alone to keep track of all the technical Development going on, so I would request all members to please post the new hardware which u feel should be included under a certain budget and views on the price :) that will really help me to keep the thread upto date all the time... and which I hope will help those who will come here for suggestion of New PC or upgrade :D

Thank you

[john_the_ultimate]

Saurav bhai, got a sticky thread for yourself :D . Congrats
Keep it updated and me will also try to contribute as much as I can.

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^

Thanks for the comment, all suggestion will be helpful...

I am planing to add 2 more catagory on the thread, Hardware for Performance Enthusiasts and then Chose one LCD... post some view on that, specially on LCD Segment :)

OK... Added some info on the Intel Dual Core and Core 2 Duo Performance Segment !!!

:)

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

so does xfx650i ultra has all over clocking options ??
can i plug in a E6550 and over clock it to 3 Ghz ?? what's the max ??
and upto how much can i over clock the E6750 ??? 4 ghz ???

also my frnd is buying a( MOBO + CPU + RAM + PSU )right this week or next....what shld he go for gaming as of now we are thinking of AMD coz cheaper as budget is 15k....?? may be add a gfx card later

mean while i will upgrade in dec 2007 or jan 08 i think i will go for the next gen phenom procys !! well if they beat Core 2 and turn out cheaper that is !!

[Pathik]

i had read on some forum that a 6750 easily does around 3.2ghz..

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

^ ok thanks !! dats like extreme only..!!

so what all mobo support DDR3 and overclocking ?? any chance that DDR3 cost might come down by jan 08 ??

[Choto Cheeta]

also my frnd is buying a( MOBO + CPU + RAM + PSU )right this week or next....what shld he go for gaming as of now we are thinking of AMD coz cheaper as budget is 15k....?? may be add a gfx card later


well intel may not come in that budget, though,

I can suggest,

E2140 (New Pentium Dula Core) Rs. 3400/- + TAX
ASUS P5B-VM (Intel X3000 GMA) Rs. 7000/- + TAX
2GB DDR-II 667 MHz @ Rs. 3800/- + TAX
In Kolkata a modarate brnd SMPS of ColorSit 500 watts would be Rs. 1500/- + TAX

TAX @ 4% total Rs. 16328/-

So I think AMD would be a good option...

AMD X2 3600+ @ Rs. 2700/- + TAX
ASUS M2A-VM @ Rs. 3600/- + TAX (AMD 690G / ATi x1250)
2 GB DDR-II @ 3800/- + TAX
ColorSit 500 watts Rs. 1500/- + TAX

Rs. 12064/- Incl TAX

:)

would be a good config just later on add one Grfx card, or as u have a 15k budget u may go for AMD X2 4200+ Procy @ Rs. 3400 + TAX or buy some extra RAM as onboard x1250 ATI will allow u to share up to 1GB RAM for the VGA :)

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

heyy 1 of those ASUS M2A mobo is nforce and geforce 610 and it costs 3.6k in b'lore so why go for Via chipset instead go for nvidia !!
thanks for ur suggestions........as now i can be sure that the config that we were thinking is alright according to an MVP and experienced user !!
we will actually use AMD 5200 or AMD 5400 !! coz that prize is ok !

only prob being gfx card.....so way out is collect money now and get 1 later....
i will try to convince him forget gaming !! and foucs on other stuff like foruming gyming girls studing researching hacking etc etc !!
his psu got busted last week....he is been offline since then...so must get a new psu instead he plans to get a new cpu all together
thanks a lot

hey its actaully m2n !!
http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=1169&l1=3&l2=101&l3=0
sorry made a mistake

[Choto Cheeta]

heyy 1 of those AMD M2A mobo is nforce and geforce 610 and it costs 3.6k in b'lore so why go for Via chipset instead go for nvidia !!

What ??

M2A-VM is AMD690 Chipset !!!! Neither nvidia or VIA is coming in to picture, what are u trying topoint my friend ??

http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=1568&l1=3&l2=101&l3=496

[sabret00the]

OMG Choto Cheeta wat a wonderfully posted thread

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

ok what do say ??
which is better coz price wise both are same !!

the asus mobo nforce m2n with geforce onboard or amd chipset one with ATI onboard ??

[Pathik]

the amd 690g is better than the nforce 430+ geforce6150se...
just one drwback that 690g supports only shader model 2.0 while 6150se suppoorts sm3.0..

[mukherjee]

a rocking thread.........deserved to be sticky.

well,i hv an upgrade in mind...my budget is 25k.

need a decent cpu + mobo + g.card + 2GB RAM + 250GB SATA2 HDD + at least 500W true PSU + Cabinet

wat wud be the ideal config.

plz mention both amd nd intel.

elaborate abt psu also.

[Choto Cheeta]

@sabret00the

Thnx bobby for the comment, yaar, u have good contact in supreem naa ?? i think they are the dealer of View Soniq in Kolkata so, pls post some Price of View Soniq LCDs naa .. from 15" to 22: :D if possible offcourse :D

only prob being gfx card.....so way out is collect money now and get 1 later....
i will try to convince him forget gaming !! and foucs on other stuff like foruming gyming girls studing researching hacking etc etc !!

Well see, M2A-VM with AMD690G is one of the best for AMD platfor out there, its cheap doesnt mean its a bad board... onboard ATi x1250 is good enough to run any preset game in low settings :D

So He will be able to play any game with that On board GRFX, just make sure u are getting 2 GB RAM... as u can share upto 1 GB though I thing 256MB will be enough :)

Regarding procy, I would say its either the New 5200+ with 2MB L2 or stick with 4200+ save some money there !!! as for gaming i feel the 4200+ is good enough... and 5200+ comes with 2mb l2 so if u can buy that it would be better !!!

@mukherjee

Thnx for the comment :D

well,i hv an upgrade in mind...my budget is 25k.

need a decent cpu + mobo + g.card + 2GB RAM + 250GB SATA2 HDD + at least 500W true PSU + Cabinet

What will be the use of the pc ??

[Kniwor]

Good post saurav, thanks for getting my attention to it.

Here's my opinions,
for a budget gaming PC@25k
Replace E4400 with an E4300, it costa 1k less.
Use cheapest c2D board and add a graphics card to it.

let's see,

E4300 @ 4100k
P5B-MX wi/fi - 3600/-
2Gb ram - 3800/-
Liteon DVD RW - 1500
Zeb 8500GT - 4400
160Gb - 1600
Cab + SMPS - 2500
17" CRT - 4400
Creative 370 - 1100
KB + Mouse - 800
UPS APC - 2000/-

Total 29800/-

with a DX10 graphic card, this should perform reasonable in games, wifi can be useful for those who have the facility, or u can save another 500 bucks by choosing a non-wifi board.


Also replace any 6320's and 6420's u have used in the configurations above, by 6550's and 6750's, same price, much better.

The new processors are G0 stepping guys, they run much cooler than the older 1066Mhz B2 steppings, and overclock much better. They are cheaper too!!!
so get E6550 and E6750's. Here is a useful quote of my post in another thread....
Hey the G0 steppings are much better, they clock higher than the Older B2 steppings, i.e. the older E6600's etc... (they are B2) They also run cooler.

Help~Is~Here is also well confused on the steppings of older processors, and I will suggest him to stop making incorrect comments, There is no E6600 B3 stepping...lol

The old E6700's, E6600's , E6420's , E6320's, E6400's, E6300's are B2 stepping.

The really old E6300's and E6400's are L2 stepping
The E4300's is L2 stepping.

The E4400's and E4500's are M0 steppings.

The only B3 Stepping processors are the SL9UM Q6600, QX6800 and QX6700.

The prices of E6600 is higher everywhere because it is to be phased out, and hence Intel did not decrease it's price. Buying an E6600 is totally pointless right now.
An E6550 is a much better processor as compared to E6600, and is a lot cheaper, the E6750 PWNS them all. and then of-course, we have E6850, which is again, only G0 stepping.

As far as ram is concerned, n my opinion, a rated DDR2 800 from transcend should be preferable over a DDR2 667 from OCZ/Corsair etc..
Though, while getting ram, u should be concerned over what chip is being used in the ram modules. ProMOS, Elpida, Micron, Hynix are the major chip makers, and have their range of chips, the Microns are the best, namely Micron D9GKX, followed by Micron D9GMH, I'm not well informed on the performance of the Micron D9GCT but it is lower than that of the other two, microns can take high voltages, and overclock very well. High end ram modules also use Elpida and ProMOS chips (DDR2 -800 modules), but these don't overclock very will, and will die if too much voltage is given. A micron D9GMH on a good PCB is what a constrained enthusiast should be looking at, if no money issues, get a D9GKX based ram. Good 2x2Gb ram is still ridiculously expensice, dunno why though.

As far as motherboards are concerned, Saurav u might wanna change a few motherboard selections in ur configurations, integrated solutions for some reason are really pathetic, and try to couple a cheap gfx card in the machine somehow, also, for the overclocking fans, u might wanna replace the P965 based boards with P35 based boards, they give a better clock-to-clock performance, and overclock better too, I guess they are available now in india, and prices are now reasonable.

I am too lazy to rework those configurations, and I'm also sure u can do it better than me, so I guess we can hope to see minor improvements here n there. Thanks again for the great post.


EDIT: seems the P35 based Biostar TP35D2-A7 is available for around 6.5k-7k, pls confirm people. Otherwise P35 boards still seem expensive, and P965 is a good option.

[gx_saurav]

So He will be able to play any game with that On board GRFX, just make sure u are getting 2 GB RAM... as u can share upto 1 GB though I thing 256MB will be enough
AMD 690G doesn't support shared memory upto 1 GB I guess

[vivekbabbudelhi]

Lcd-tft monitors buying reference

Basically there are two types of lcd monitors:
6+2 bit (with dithering) TN panels i.e. these are native 6 bit panels.
Native 8 bit S-IPS or S-PVA panels As it suggests TN panels suffer a lot as far as color reproduction is concerned but they have good response times and are suitable for gaming. Their size is anything from 15”-22”.viewing angles 160-160 degrees.

Native 8 bit panels are best known for color accuracy. But as they are expensive to manufacture they are mostly limited to 20” and above size and hence tagged as premium panels’. These are best for movies. Viewing angles 178-178 degrees.

Inputs: DVI-D & analog vga are most common inputs ; component, composite , s-video inputs are found in addition to DVI-D & vga in premium 8 bit panels.

Among all of them DVI-D produces sharpest images with best details as its digital so never miss it out . DVI-D or HDMI can only have HDCP capability.

HDCP has screwed out everything. Hdcp enabled monitor can only play protected hd content in high definition resolution. For hd on pc u need a hdcp enabled gpu or else u can hook a standalone hd player via hdmi to dvi-d cable directly to dvi-d with hdcp enabled input of lcd monitor.

Many people have misconception that DVI-D means hdcp capability but this is not true . DVI-D CAN BE OR CANNOT BE HDCP ENABLED. So specifically look for DVI-D with HDCP enabled if watching protected HD content is your aim in near future.



For more reading & monitor specifications refer:



http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles...chnologies.htm (http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_technologies.htm)

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/specs.htm

www.tftcentral.co.uk

[Charan]

@Vivek Babu. A request Can you please create a new thread for Buying Reference of LCD/HD ? That way we can keep the discussion seperate.
Thanks

[Choto Cheeta]

@charangk

I have invited vivekbabbudelhi and guys like Kniwor to this thread via PM to comment on the LCD/ RAMs / High end systems, as I will update my 1st page with his comment...

What it does it it help all new buyers to get all reqources from one thread, the main purpose of this thread is to sum up all those never ending posts about new config and new computer :D

@gx_saurav

Well It does, even I gave given the link also, please refer here once agian :)

Integrated ATI Radeon X1250-based graphics
Maximum shared memory of 1024 MB
Supports DVI-D with max. resolution 2560x1600 (@ 60Hz)
(It may not display 1080p smoothly when playing HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc due to current version player limit)
Supports RGB with max. resolution 2048 x 1536 (@85Hz)
Dual VGA output support:
RGB & DVI
Note: DVI-D can not be converted to output RGB Signal to CRT.

http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1568&l1=3&l2=101&l3=496&l4=0

@vivekbabbudelhi

Some model number with Price will really help :)

15" Segment (Lowest and Best and best in terms of Vaule for Money)
17" Segment (Lowest and Best and best in terms of Vaule for Money)
19" Segment (Lowest and Best and best in terms of Vaule for Money)
19" Segment Wide Screen (Lowest and Best and best in terms of Vaule for Money)
22" Segment (Lowest and Best and best in terms of Vaule for Money)

and really thnx for the inputs...

:)

@Kniwor

Thnx a ton for the inputs... :D

for the overclocking fans, u might wanna replace the P965 based boards with P35 based boards, they give a better clock-to-clock performance, and overclock better too, I guess they are available now in india, and prices are now reasonable.

Even I want to give those, but I am unable to digg up prices from Local Market !!! I would be really glad if you can post model by model prices from either ur local market or from quoteing the Sources

:D

As far as motherboards are concerned, Saurav u might wanna change a few motherboard selections in ur configurations, integrated solutions for some reason are really pathetic

Suggest me some option with price quote !!! like suppose when asking some one to Buy P5B-VM for 7k... we can input XFX 650i Ultra for 5k, but 6200 LE for 2k is really not perforimg upto GMA X3000, so from Local market price point a view do suggest some Card under that 2k price range which can performe better than P5B-VM :D

and any other board u want me to replace ???

[Kniwor]

Suggest me some option with price quote !!! like suppose when asking some one to Buy P5B-VM for 7k... we can input XFX 650i Ultra for 5k, but 6200 LE for 2k is really not perforimg upto GMA X3000, so from Local market price point a view do suggest some Card under that 2k price range which can performe better than P5B-VM :D

and any other board u want me to replace ???

hmm... u have a point here, but why dont we try a graphics card on a cheap C2D microATX board, clock to clock the board will perform bit slower, but the graphics will be good, for example

what say be replace P5B-VM - 7k with
cheap 946 board - 3-3.5k
Zeb 8500GT - 4400/- (or a cheaper gfx card maybe)

We loose features that's right, in the end it boils down to personal preference, but I'd rather have the 8500GT by my side. In any case i dont suppose OC'ing is a good idea at this budget.

[Choto Cheeta]

We loose features that's right, in the end it boils down to personal preference, but I'd rather have the 8500GT by my side. In any case i dont suppose OC'ing is a good idea at this budget.

Quite true, in that case tell me G33 based intel ones, I was told in local Kolkata market those will be priced belloe DG965RY !!!! if no OCing for sure, then how about those options ??

How about option of 8400 ?? to cut down farther with 3k based P5B MX ones ?? and speaking for Budget Intel, those Dual Core E2140 aint bad !! ??

[Charan]

I have invited vivekbabbudelhi and guys like Kniwor to this thread via PM to comment on the LCD/ RAMs / High end systems, as I will update my 1st page with his comment...

What it does it it help all new buyers to get all reqources from one thread, the main purpose of this thread is to sum up all those never ending posts about new config and new computer :D


Oops :p I didnt know about your plans :D , no problem then ;) Five stars give to this thread :D

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^^

Thnx for the Starts :D

and make no miss-take all (including u) are invited to post the suggetions and Views !!!

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

common choto every 1 has unique needs....u will hv to suggest them accordingly in this thread !!! that would be better !!
i mean with some modifications to the standard ones put up in the 1st page !!


those links man arrange them properly !! all of them at the bottom of POST 1 !!

also those price links make Little Large and colourful Text and mention the links
this will make it more presentable !!

[Charan]

Yes I also want suggessions on HTPC ( Home Theater PC ) . Please include this also in the list. It should have a good processor and GFX card should produce good output in both CRT TV and LCD TV's , Basically these kind of PC's will be having wireless KB/Mouse.

[Choto Cheeta]

common choto every 1 has unique needs....

Certainly they have, thats why title says Basic Guide...

u will hv to suggest them accordingly in this thread !!! that would be better !!

Its not about me Suggesting, even ome one when asks question here, all (including u) are welcome and expected to post ur comment on that question....

i mean with some modifications to the standard ones put up in the 1st page !!

Didnt get the point, options are already sugggested, and as i said its a basic guide so when one need to make changes is expected to post that question here :)

Yes I also want suggessions on HTPC ( Home Theater PC ) . Please include this also in the list. It should have a good processor and GFX card should produce good output in both CRT TV and LCD TV's , Basically these kind of PC's will be having wireless KB/Mouse.

Missed that !!! Thnx for reminding... will build up one config tonight !!! :)

[Kniwor]

Quite true, in that case tell me G33 based intel ones, I was told in local Kolkata market those will be priced belloe DG965RY !!!! if no OCing for sure, then how about those options ??

How about option of 8400 ?? to cut down farther with 3k based P5B MX ones ?? and speaking for Budget Intel, those Dual Core E2140 aint bad !! ??

That would be even better actually.... I guess u should include a config like that.

[mukherjee]

@mukherjee

Thnx for the comment :D



What will be the use of the pc ??


well,of course..GAMING:D

[phuchungbhutia]

i have asus a8v mx mobo amd 64 3000 venice
Memory spec:
- Support for the dual-channel DDR266/333/400 MHz memory,
- Two 184-pin DDR DIMM memory modules.
- Maximum memory capacity 2 GB.

now i want to know the diff bw DDR and DDR2

will there be prob if upgrading my memory with DDR2 ram ...

what are the options that i hav

[Choto Cheeta]

will there be prob if upgrading my memory with DDR2 ram ...

Not much Only One :p RAM will be damaganed and system wont workd :lol:

anyway sorry for the joke, more seriuslly,

No ur Motherboard comes with 184pin DDR Connector for RAM modules of DDR 266/333/400, where as DDR-II rams need 240pin connectors with motherboard supporting DDR-II 533/667/800 ...

So in ur case DDR-II Rams wont fit in hense will not work...

now i want to know the diff bw DDR and DDR2

Googling DDR-II vs DDR will give better results,

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/ddr2.html

http://www.overclockercafe.com/Articles/DDR_vs_DDR2/index.htm

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/ddr2-ddr.html

:)

what are the options that i hav

but 1st u need to tell us ur problem :)

@Mr. Mukherjee

Intel Option

Pentium Dual Core E2140 @ 3400/- + TAX
XFX 650i Ultra @ 5000/- + TAX
2GB DDR-II 667MHz @ 3800/- + TAX
250 GB SATA-II WD 16mb Buffer @ Rs. 2700/- + TAX
XFX 8600 GT @ Rs. 6800/- + TAX
Cabby + ColorSit 500 SMPS @ Rs. 2200/- + TAX

Total Rs. 24856 incl 4 % VAT :D


AMD Option

AMD X2 4400+ @ 4000/- + TAX
ASUS M2A-VM @ 3800/- + TAX
2GB DDR-II 667MHz @ 3800/- + TAX
250 GB SATA-II WD 16mb Buffer @ Rs. 2700/- + TAX
XFX 8600 GT @ Rs. 6800/- + TAX
Cabby + ColorSit 500 SMPS @ Rs. 2200/- + TAX

Total Rs. 24232/- incl 4 % TAX

Prices will varry here and there !!! u just have to bargain a little, if u see still u can fit things in, no harm getting a 4200 or 3800 !!!! just make sure they are the new 1MB L2 based procys :D

[keith_j_snyder2]

i have asus a8v mx mobo amd 64 3000 venice
Memory spec:
- Support for the dual-channel DDR266/333/400 MHz memory,
- Two 184-pin DDR DIMM memory modules.
- Maximum memory capacity 2 GB.

now i want to know the diff bw DDR and DDR2

will there be prob if upgrading my memory with DDR2 ram ...

what are the options that i hav

As Chota Cheeta already mentioned but if u wanna use the DDR 2 RAM then u have to buy
1. DDR 2 RAM
2.A new motherboard.
3. A new processor.

So the idea is either change ur entire config or stick with the old DDR RAM/s & add another slot of the identical size of ur RAM OR wait for the right time to upgrade.

[mukherjee]

@Mr. Mukherjee

Intel Option

Pentium Dual Core E2140 @ 3400/- + TAX
XFX 650i Ultra @ 5000/- + TAX
2GB DDR-II 667MHz @ 3800/- + TAX
250 GB SATA-II WD 16mb Buffer @ Rs. 2700/- + TAX
XFX 8600 GT @ Rs. 6800/- + TAX
Cabby + ColorSit 500 SMPS @ Rs. 2200/- + TAX

Total Rs. 24856 incl 4 % VAT :D


AMD Option

AMD X2 4400+ @ 4000/- + TAX
ASUS M2A-VM @ 3800/- + TAX
2GB DDR-II 667MHz @ 3800/- + TAX
250 GB SATA-II WD 16mb Buffer @ Rs. 2700/- + TAX
XFX 8600 GT @ Rs. 6800/- + TAX
Cabby + ColorSit 500 SMPS @ Rs. 2200/- + TAX

Total Rs. 24232/- incl 4 % TAX

Prices will varry here and there !!! u just have to bargain a little, if u see still u can fit things in, no harm getting a 4200 or 3800 !!!! just make sure they are the new 1MB L2 based procys :D



No thanks...no AMD...am INTEL;)

sticking wid e4400.(ne other options?)

hdd=250Gb seagate 7200.10 SATA 2..16mb and all

psu coolermaster extreme power 500W+Zeb antibiotics--->nice?:D

now tell people....shud i go for 2x512MB DDR2 800 Mhz RAM or 2x1GB DDR2 667 Mhz RAM? wat will be the price/performance difference?i intend to use dualchannel setup.

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^

List the full config by Price which u have in mind please :) with E4400 :)

and i would vote for single one GB 800MHz module (if price is not permiting 2x1) now as when u have chance add another 800 MHz :)

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

hey choto cheeta can u create a thread about C2D overclocking ?? in there tell about how to over clock it !! and to what levels each C2D can be safely overclocked and what RAM to use and its effects on GPU and also most importantly cooling it and its stability and stuff to use to cool it @ our homes coz we wont have all stuff that pro ppl have....well if u hv time and can do this then plzz do it

1 last question what about the warranty does it really matter coz my i hv never had problems with my intel CPU till date...so that means No need of warranty right ?? coz nothing will happen to CPU ?? right ??

but i dont really understand how will intel get to know if we over clock our C2D ??

[Choto Cheeta]

OK... Guys please take a Look that this bellow config as I am going add this to the main page...

:)

SO please post ur views and suggestion on the Config...

________________________Start_____________________ _____________

Media Center PCs

Purpose, Simply entertainment movies and music and some gaming

Budget

Well there can be 2 catagories only Higher Midrage of Rs. 35k to 45k and High range of more than 55 or even more than that....

I am going to suggst some options and then will present one config as Mid range and one as High range...

Processors

Well the PC will be playing some ultra High defination content... But still i guess any X2 or C2D or new Dual Cores will be enough to play those !!!!

AMD X2 3600+
AMD X2 4400+
AMD X2 4800+

Intel Dual Core E2140
Intel Dual Core E2160

Core 2 Duos (Any i suppose) E4300 up to the highest of them all, but as user Kniwor suggests dont buy 1066 FSB models and for new ones press on buying G0 Stepping ones...

Motherboards

This is quite tricky, as those who plans to run on board will have any few options, I think only boards which can play ultra High definations would be AMD690G based or new X3100 ones... but those who wants to go for grfx card can get any 8xxx ones of Nvidia which will be able to play without any issue :)

AMD

ASUS M2A-VM (AMD 690G / ATi x1250 / DVI out / Onboard 1 GB Share) < This one can run on board quite fine
MSI K9AGM2 (AMD 690v)
MSI / ASUS / Biostar Nvidia 6150 based boards
Combo Pack which comes with VIA Based boards and AMD 3600+ Procys

Intel

Please refer bellow (Right now its in the 1st page)

RAMs

Ones again refer to Kinwor (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=563521&postcount=42)s posts for the RAM details.

Transcend or Kingstone DDR-II 667 Rs. 1900/- + TAX each Module
Transcend or Kingstone DDR-II 800 Rs. 2600/- + TAX each Module

HDDs

In this segment people are expected to store tons of Videos and Music on the PC, Bigger is better

160 GB SATA-II @ Rs. 2000/- + TAX
250 GB SATA-II @ Rs. 2700/- + TAX (16mb buffer) WD
320 GB SATA-II @ Rs. 3400/- + TAX (16mb buffer) WD

Grfx Card

Not a very highfy is needed though those who wants to run vista with DX10, for them its 8xxx ones :)

XFX / Zebronics 8400 Not sure yet !!!
XFX / Zebronics 8500 Zebronics is at Rs. 4400/- + TAX for the 256MB model
XFX / Zebronics 8600 XFX is at Rs. 6800/- + TAX for the 256MB model
XFX / Zebronics 8800 XFX one is at Rs. 13700/- + TAX for the 256MB model

TV Tuner Card

Cheap Local Brand like Frontech or Techcom sales around ar Rs. 650 to 850/-
Pinnacle FM+TV Tuner (http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/as/Products/Consumer+Products/PCTV+Tuners/PCTV+kits+for+Media+Center+Edition/PCTV+Tuner+Kit+for+Windows+Vista.htm) Supporting WinVista and WinXP + MCE is Rs. 2100/- + TAX

All comes with Remote control...

Cabby

As it would be one show off PC, so i guess http://www.zebronics.net/cabinets.asp or iBall cabbys can be think off...

But personally I like those local made Large Cabbis and they save a lot of money too :p u can get one well ventilated large Cabbi for Rs. 1200 to 1800 MAX :D

PSU

I would say in Kolkata brand like ColorSit, 450watts or 500 watts would be enough, find one like that one in ur places !!! as for Mid range Cooler Master 600 watts (http://www.coolermaster.com/products/product.php?act=detail&tbcate=22&id=51) is at Rs. 3500/- Kolkata...

Display

This is the main part of the PC u are buying, try to spend as much possible here, i would say even go for GB RAM to buy a good display...

I would only list LCDs as they are the future now in big screens... allways opt for DVI out ones

View Sonic VG1930WM (http://www.viewsonic.com/products/lcddisplays/graphicseries/vg1930wm/) 19" Wide Screen Rs. 11900/- + TAX
Dell 22" E228wfp (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63826) Rs. 19000/- + TAX

Peope I am open for suggestion here, not so good on LCDs so please suggest some 17" models and some more budget 22"

Speaker

5.1 would be minimum, any Onboard sound will allow High Defination 5.1

Creative 5.1 Inspire @ Rs. 3600/- + TAX

Once agian guyss please suggest some 7.1 options under 7k and more :)

Keyboard Mouse

My Personal fav Keyboard TVS Gold @ Rs. 1000/- + TAX (not multimedia)

Now there as Logitech and Microsoft Combo options out there :) Wireless and non-wireless go for one which u can afford....

Full Config I would suggest

X2 4400+ @ Rs. 4000
ASUS M2A-VM @ Rs. 3800
2GB DDR-II 667MHz @ Rs. 3800
250 GB SATA-II WD 16mb Buffer @ Rs. 2700
DVD RW @ Rs. 1500
Pinnacle TV Tuner Card @ Rs. 2100/- + TAX
Cabby + ColorSit 500 SMPS @ Rs. 2200
22" Dell @ Rs. 19000
Creative 5.1 @ Rs. 3600
Microsoft Combo @ Rs. 750

Total Rs. 45188 incl 4% TAX stay onboard now add one GRfx Card later on :)

_________________________END______________________ _________

Waiting for ur views :D

1 last question what about the warranty does it really matter coz my i hv never had problems with my intel CPU till date...so that means No need of warranty right ?? coz nothing will happen to CPU ?? right ??

Well really dont mind, but i find it ulta :p I am every now and then sending CPUs / Mobos / HDDs / RAM allmost every thing for warrenty from our cafe !!!!

they do break but thats the fun u can relax for 3 yrs unless u hardwarelly break some thing... like Overclocking and Burning the CPU or Mobo or RAM will mean no warrenty at all :lol:

hey choto cheeta can u create a thread about C2D overclocking ?? in there tell about how to over clock it !!

Well even I am getting quite a few Pms to refer to the Cooler threads that I should write step by step info, but guys, I am not a pro overclocker for sure.. !! :lol: I have still lot to learn, but yes, I would love to share what ever little I know about the Stuff :p

[Charan]

@Saurav thanks for putting up the Media center configuration. But I have something else in my mind. I would like to know about Very small cabinet like the one below.
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/6582/htpcxcubecasewe4.th.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=htpcxcubecasewe4.jpg)

Also did you forget to include a TV Tuner card? Media center doesnot enable one to watch TV??? can that be imagined?

I have a settop box so will many others who are willing to build a HTPC. To enable Settop box to work with Windows mediacenter PC or Vista we require that the Tuner card to have a inbuilt IR blaster.

More info about Setting up settop box with windows here (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/using/setup/settop.mspx) and here (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/mce/expert/bowman_dualtuners.mspx)

As we see this requires a very compact case so the mother board should not be a full ATX, one 16X Pci-E for graphics card , maybe two/three slots of PCI , one will be for the Tuner and maybe a second one if required for setting up Dual Tuner configuration , the third can be left for modem or other card.

I think you got my point .

Thanks
Charan

[Choto Cheeta]

Also did you forget to include a TV Tuner card? Media center doesnot enable one to watch TV??? can that be imagined?

hell yeah :( I forgot the main thing !! :(

[mukherjee]

^^^

List the full config by Price which u have in mind please :) with E4400 :)

and i would vote for single one GB 800MHz module (if price is not permiting 2x1) now as when u have chance add another 800 MHz :)


okk....here we go

C2D E4400......................5.2k+tax
XFX 650i ultra..................5k+tax
XFX 8600GT 256mb...........6.5k+tax
2*1GB DDR2667/2*512MB DDR2 800(?)........3.9k/????.......(need advice!!!):O
Seagate 250GB SATA2 7200.10.....3k+tax
Coolermaster Extreme Power 500W PSU.......3.5k+tax
Zebronics Antibiotics cabinet..........2k+tax

total=29.1+tax

Comments plz..........

[Kniwor]

saurav u do realize that to keep the thread useful u will have to update it every 1 month atleast, maybe more frequently....

[rajesh_nk22]

gr8 job

after reading this, upgrading comes in mind...

[BULLZI]

well Choto,how about posting a really high end config for hardcore gamers and hardware enthisiasts?
you have done a gr8 job putting up this thread.i am gonna use one of ur configs to assemble my next PC,thts for sure:).
was really busy so unable to post sooner.sorry for tht,really awsome work,keep it up.

[vivekbabbudelhi]

for a htpc my suggestions:

1. speakers creative inspire 5.1 t6060 rs 4400/-
2. addon soundcard ....yeah onboard 7.1 hd is toooo much crappy
audigy value 7.1 rs 1400/- would rock , i bet
3. tv tuner
leadtek winfast tv 2000 xp global 10 bit conexant chipset is unbeatable at rs 2500/-

http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63390

4. monitor : 24" dell ultrasharp its a 8 bit s-pva with full 1080p over dvi-d & 1080i over component @ 40k much better than 26" crappy lcd tv's

http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/2407wfp-hc?c=in&cs=inbsd1&l=en&s=bsd





Hello,
I need your advice regarding TFT monitors .
My friend is buying a new pc . Which TFT monitor should he go for ? His needs include gaming and movie watching . He will onboard for 2 years and then upgrade to a g-card. so will amd prove to be better or will intel be the choice . If amd , which chipset ( 690G or nForce ?).On which onboard would the TFT work best ? His budget for the TFT is limited to 10-12k .
plz advice
thanks
my suggestion : amd 690g (asus m2a-vm)

for tft @12k only a tn panel is possible, look for a dvi-d hdcp enabled & try to expand budget upto 14k
perhaps samsung 940BW if u can find it or look for dell 19" they are superb

http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/19lcd?c=in&cs=inbsd1&l=en&s=bsd

[sid_sh85]

Ok guys...after much sniffing around dis post i went 2 my dealer n he quoted the following....


AMD Combo- 4200+ with 1)Asus M2AVM = Rs.7800
2) Asus M2NMX-SE = Rs.7600


Intel Combo- C2D 1.8\1066mhz with 1) Intel original 965 board = Rs.11000
2) MSI 945 Board = Rs.8700

So,
Amongst these wich one shud i go for considering tht i wud also b adding a 8600gt grpx card alongwith 512*2 ddr2 ram to the config......
Or u can also suggest better deals or cut-down in the above....
Also, wud the above upgradations show a significant difference above my sys???.....THANX

[Choto Cheeta]

saurav u do realize that to keep the thread useful u will have to update it every 1 month atleast, maybe more frequently....

Yaar, cant i expected little help from u guys to keep the thread upto date...

as i said already not possible for one to gather all information and know about every stuff... so if u guy please post some updates and new stuff with street price of India (ur City) it will be very helpfull for me to keep the 1st page upto date with new configs and best prices !!!!

its hard for 1 guy for sure, simply not possible, but when we all post a little every month, do u think the thread would be outdated ever ??

that was the main idea of the thread, every one contributing a little.. :D and to sum up all those never ending post about new config needed, to get those under one roof !!!!

anyway, got some pretty intersting prices from KOlkata Market today... so can make one Budget Intel system !!!!

Budget Intel Sulution....

(All without bargaining, so expect cheaper when u actaully buy as then u get the chance to bargain...)

Intel Dual Core E2140 @ Rs. 2800/- + TAX

Foxconn 865G @ Rs. 1800/- + TAX
ASUS / MSI 945 Based Rs. 2350/- + TAX
ASUS P5B-MX (946) Rs. 2800/- + TAX
Intel DG33BU (G33 based GMA X3100) Rs. 5200/- + TAX (TL may be cheaper at Rs. 4800/- but not in market yet)

Grfx Card (If needed) XFX 8400 GS @ Rs. 2800/- + TAX

So, I guess one Budget Intel Sulution would look like this,

E2140 @ Rs. 2800/- + TAX
ASUS P5B-MX @ Rs. 2700/- + TAX
XFX 8400 GS @ Rs. 2800/- + TAX
2 GB DDR-II 667 MHz @ Rs. 3800/- + TAX
160 GB SATA-II @ Rs. 2000/- + TAX
Cabby + SMPS (ColorSit) @ Rs. 2000/- + TAX
17" CRT @ Rs. 4300/- + TAX
Keyboard Mouse (Microsoft) @ Rs. 750/- + TAX
Creative 2.1 @ Rs. 1100/- + TAX

TAX @ 4% 890
Total 23140

Ur views guyess ?? i feel its a budget gaming system !!! though one may can allways opt for Intel DG33BU (http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/DG33BU/configs.htm)

OK... Updated the Media Center PC Configs to 1st page, thnx for Vivek for the LCD Suggestions :) Kinwor for the Suggestion of 8400 + Cheap Mobo rather Intel Sulutions... :)

Guys, please post some details of the 15" and 17" and 19" LCD segment :)

well Choto,how about posting a really high end config for hardcore gamers and hardware enthisiasts?

the last part do give u an idea about that... but really hard to compile a highest end config :p if u need one then I would say How about Alienware or MAC Pro ???

:D

and thnx for the comment :D

[vivekbabbudelhi]

@Choto Cheeta

i think leadtek winfast tv 2000xp global is also a good buy . it does not produces any sort of noise or bands whatsoever thanks to its 10bit decoder. 10bit conexant solutions >>>>> better than philips 9bit .
philips 9 bit decoder has banding problems.

leadtek winfast tv 2000xp also has powerdvd 5,6,7 support for dvd playback through its remote.

[Charan]

^^ is that card Vista certified? and also does it have a IR Blaster?

[vivekbabbudelhi]

one thing must be added FOR MEDIA CENTER PC

amd 690G & nvidia 7050 are hdcp enabled whereas nvidia 6150/6100 are NOT hdcp enabled.

[Choto Cheeta]

@vivekbabbudelhi

Can u please give me the exact product link of that card :) and Rs. 2500/- + TAX in India Right ??

[vivekbabbudelhi]

@Choto Cheeta
once again i would say dear u have done a great job

i have compro videomate tv gold plus 2 (9bit philips saa7134hl),leadtek winfast tv 2000xp global(10bit conexant cx23883-39) ,techcom ssd722plus
and i can say winfast 2000xp global due to its 10bit decoder is unmatchable regarding picture quality ,picture quality is as close as a 29" crt tv with 3d combo filter...believe me

price of leadtek winfast tv 2000xp global is rs 2400 + rs 96 tax= rs 2496 n.p newdelhi on 14 july 2007

http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/tv_tuner/overview.asp?lineid=6&pronameid=169

[BULLZI]

the last part do give u an idea about that... but really hard to compile a highest end config :p if u need one then I would say How about Alienware or MAC Pro ???

:D

and thnx for the comment :D[/quote]

after getting my new Q6700 and Corsair Dominator ,i dont think i ll be needing a high end system nymore:):D:)

[kushank]

can anyone suggest between the following 2 cpus:
C2D E6850
C2Quad Q6600

and based on the above 2 , which mobo should i go in for... stick to 1066fsb or 1333fsb?

price umm... not really matters that much, but has to be reasonable.. also am gettin the stuff from US from a friend.

[Choto Cheeta]

I would vote for the FSB 1333.... if i am an overclocking fan then E6850 would be my choise :D

also am gettin the stuff from US from a friend.

Getting a Core 2 System means Overclocking :p so, its wise to keep the Warrenty option open :) so, from US means no Local Indian Warrrenty !! :(

So, wait for other guys to reply :)

[Pathik]

i think u shd rather get a 6750... cos u can oc it to the levels of a 6850 easily.... also it wd be moe vfm..

[keith_j_snyder2]

Q 6600!! because if u are a multiple user or do multiple tasks simultaneously then Q6600 is your choice.
The Q6600 is a better choice because u are getting double cores for the same price. There's hardly a performance difference(Mostly) but when it comes to multi tasking the Q6600 takes all away.
Its like choosing between Single core and Dual-Core.
My personal opinion is go for Q6600 where its L2 Cache is double as compared to E6850.

[shyamno]

Mid Range Performance Upgrade

Budget 25k to 30k...

This is a performance upgarde for those who wants OverClocing for some performance Boost... and good gaming

E6420 @ Rs. 7800/- + TAX
650i Ultra 5000/- + TAX
2 GB DR-II 667 @ Rs. 3800/- + TAX
160 GB SATA-II @ Rs. 2000/- + TAX
DVD RW @ Rs. 1400/- + TAX
Cabby with SMPS (ColorSit 450/500 Watts) @ Rs. 1200/- + TAX
XFX 8600 GT @ Rs. 6800/- + TAX

TAX @ Rs. 1152/-

Total @ 29952/-



guys.....can anyone ..please modify some items with....correct prices such that..the system gets ..bundled in and around 34K (my budget)

I don't want any graphics card..so pls suggest me a good mobo with onboard graphics.

Also adjust the price for a better proce..also I don't want to go for 5.1 ..a simple 2.1 is just more than enough...

[keith_j_snyder2]

XFX / Zebronics 8800 XFX one is at Rs. 13700/- + TAX for the 256MB model


Dear friend i think u should check that again because no 8800 is of 256MB, the 8800 series starts from 320 MB - 768 MB.
The above one must be 8600 GTS.
Please check it again.
Thanks in Advance!

[Choto Cheeta]

Dear friend i think u should check that again because no 8800 is of 256MB, the 8800 series starts from 320 MB - 768 MB.
The above one must be 8600 GTS.
Please check it again.
Thanks in Advance!

THnx for pointing that out, no it is 8800 but yes 320 MB !!! quoted from Saboo Computers Kolkata Chandi :)

@shyamno

can u please tell us ur need ?? and u are one have to buy Intel FAN ?? so i mean u would need to go with intel ?? or AMD would be fine for u ?? !!!

[keith_j_snyder2]

THnx for pointing that out, no it is 8800 but yes 320 MB !!! quoted from Saboo Computers Kolkata Chandi :)
:eek: :eek: :eek: Man why didn't they put New Delhi and Kolkata togather because the card is really Cheap bro!!!
U won't find this card for this much price, here if u ask Nehru Place guys they will quote 17K for the same card!

[Choto Cheeta]

Man why didn't they put New Delhi and Kolkata togather because the card is really Cheap bro!!!
U won't find this card for this much price, here if u ask Nehru Place guys they will quote 17K for the same card!

Cant comment... :lol: as i wont go and ask them why the price is so low :lol: but yeah sure, u can ask ur vendor why the price is so high :lol:

anyway Personally I am thinking of buying one 8400 GS !!! :) Rs. 2800/- + TAX :p

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

off topic : just for info Guys.........me and my friend got this PC today for him in b'lore SP road !!!!

ASUS M2NPV-VM with HDTV out !!!! on board Geforce 6150 !!! Price 4200 RS

AMD X2 5000+ 5100 Rs !!!!

SATA 160 GB 2000 Rs !!!!

Transcend 800 Mhz 1 GB DDR2 RAM original 2100 Rs ( bargained from 2300 Rs )

450 Watt Techcom powersupply with Dual fan cabinet 1550 Rs !!!
that's all we bought as we had rest of stuff....enjoy the prices !!
was giving AMD 5200 X2 at 5750 Rs after heavy bargaining bud instead went for 5000 X2 as this what all we need for Programming and surfing and gaming rearely

[shyamno]

@shyamno

can u please tell us ur need ?? and u are one have to buy Intel FAN ?? so i mean u would need to go with intel ?? or AMD would be fine for u ?? !!!

..My friend want to have a new system....his budget is around 35K including the printer....and it really doesn't matter whether its Intel or AMD...what matters is that he want to get the ..best possible combination...for ...amateur gamming (not a hardcore gaming freek).....and a little bit of...multimedia and encoding movies etc...

[Choto Cheeta]

X2 price is certainly looks very attractive :D will put the board and Procy in the 1st page for optional configs :)

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

i dont remember but he just said intel core 2 duo 2.66 ghz is 8.0k !!!!!
hv to call up and verify.......in that state of heavy thinking and discussion with my friend i forgot to ask the price for Intel C2D.....have to call him up and ask tom !!!

[Choto Cheeta]

@shyamno

AMD X2 4400 @ Rs. 4000
ASUS M2A-VM @ Rs. 3800
2GB DDR-II 667MHz @ Rs. 3800
160 GB SATA-II @ Rs. 2050
DVD RW @ Rs. 1500
Cabby + ColorSit 450 SMPS @ Rs. 2000
19" View Soniq VG1930WM @ Rs. 12000
Keyboard Mouse (Microsoft) @ Rs. 750
UPS APC (500 VA) @ Rs. 2100

Total with 4% VAT in Kolkata Rs. 33280

Now u can opt for the Mobo, ASUS M2NPV-VM with HDTV out !!!! on board Geforce 6150 !!! Price 4200 RS (above post), i am not sure about the price in Kolkata though :)

also a lot of money can be saved if u dont go with LCD rather 17" CRT would cost Rs. 4300/- + TAX, which may allow u to push for a C2D based rig :)

about printer, i dont have a good idea :( but i suppose one All in All Deskjet would come under 5k for sure :)

[shyamno]

Thanks...Choto Cheeta

But ...if u can kindly give the details for the Intel platform..it would be great ..for me and my friend to decide which one to go for...

Also...he want 17'' CRT not LCD....its more than enough for him.....and ...for printer ...leave aside 2-2.5 k from the budget....

[Choto Cheeta]

as per ur requirement i would suggest intel as this one... :)

Intel E6550 @ Rs. 7700/- + TAX
XFX 650i Ultra @ Rs. 5000/- + TAX
XFX 8400 GS @ Rs. 2800/- + TAX
2GB DDR-II 667MHz @ Rs. 3800/- + TAX
160 GB SATA-II @ Rs. 2050/- + TAX
DVD RW @ Rs. 1500/- + TAX
Cabby + ColorSit 450 SMPS @ Rs. 2000/- + TAX
17" CRT LG @ Rs. 4300/- + TAX
Keyboard Mouse (Microsoft) @ Rs. 750/- + TAX
UPS APC (500 VA) @ Rs. 2100/- + TAX

Total Rs. 33280 Incl 4% VAT

if u dont plan to overclock, then u can same some money by opting to a onboard video card based mobo Intel Original DG33BU (Intel G33 with GMA X3100) @ Rs. 5200/- + TAX

[keith_j_snyder2]

i dont remember but he just said intel core 2 duo 2.66 ghz is 8.0k !!!!!
hv to call up and verify.......in that state of heavy thinking and discussion with my friend i forgot to ask the price for Intel C2D.....have to call him up and ask tom !!!

Yeah its the E6750! And hell of a processor!!

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^

hmm...

E6750 @ Rs. 8750/- + TAX

Thats what I found !!! :shock: that pretty cheap i suppose

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

deltapage and ITWARES.com pirces for

AMD 5000 X2 is 5900 but i got this procy today for 5100 Rs
AMD 5200 X2 is 6400 but that guy was trying to sell me that for 5750 Rs

ASUS M2N PV NM price in delta and ITwares is 4600 !! i got it for 4200 Rs
so now i am wondering !! why and how come ???

i asked him how does he make profit in the process of barganing more and more...he said annual turn over..dunno can't trust !!!!

they actually call upto 3-4 distributors every now and then and tell prices....dunno know really why.....u ask a price......they just call up....any shop the same happens...this i dont know why !! any one any idea ?? can't they remember the prices ???

and yes Transcend DDR 2 1 GB 800 Mhz 2550
in ITwares.com.........but we settled it for 2100 Rs down from what he had said initially 2225 Rs !!

[shyamno]

if u dont plan to overclock, then u can same some money by opting to a onboard video card based mobo Intel Original DG33BU (Intel G33 with GMA X3100) @ Rs. 5200/- + TAX

..Should I go for ....Intel G965 RY..or ASUS P5B-V/VM instead of Intel DG33BU..???

[sagargv]

dunno abt d33BU , but dont go for d965 it doesnt allow OC , instead of that a amd x2 wud be better( dunno after price drops ) . u cud go4 asus p5B - V/Vm, but i dunno if they support 1333Mhz FSB , check the first page of this gr8 thread , u may find it . i have no clue abt d33bu . . .

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^^

Quite Right...

Intel DG965RY
Asus P5B-V / VM

they will not support FSB 1333

:(

So if one buy a Processor of FSB 1333 they can use with those boards...


How ever Intel DG33BU will support FSB 1333 Processors :)

[vivekbabbudelhi]

off topic : just for info Guys.........me and my friend got this PC today for him in b'lore SP road !!!!

AMD X2 5000+ 5100 Rs !!!!


congrats!!!!

x2 5000+ which one ??
65nm or 90nm SOI

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

^^ 65nm

how does 1 GB 800 Mhz RAM compares with 2 GB 667 Mhz RAM
which is better ??

[Choto Cheeta]

2x1 (2GB) GB will mean running in dual channel... i would preffer that :)

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

ok guys today i verified with 2-3 dealers in b'lore SP road Intel E6750 2.66 Ghz 1333 Mhz FSB cots 8050 Rs ....unbar gained price...so guess what when u bargain heavy

7800 Rs !!!!!!!

and E6550 costs around 7200-7400 with various dealers !!

choto time to replace E6550 by E6750 in one the rig that u have mentioned in the guide Post no 1

[vivekbabbudelhi]

15" : samsung 540n@8000
viewsonic va503m@7850
ViewSonic VA503b@8400
ViewSonic VE510s@9400
lg l1552s @8000
lg l1530s@9070
benq fp51g@8200
Proview 15" LCD@7450
Dell E157FP


17" :Samsung 740N@9200
samsung 732n @11400
viewsonic va703m@8500 4:3
viewsonic VA1703WB (Wide Screen) @ 8500
lg l1752S@9250
Benq FP71G @ 8800
dell E178FP
Dell UltraSharpTM 1708FP @13000


19" Samsung 940 NW @ 11200
Samsung 920 NW @10500
Samsung 940 bw @ 14000 (dvi-d hdcp)
Viewsonic VA903B 10100
Viewsonic VG1930WM @10500
Viewsonic VX1945WM @13100 IPOD DOCK
Viewsonic VX922 (Square 2ms)@11500 4:3
Viewsonic VA1912WB@9400 16:10 DVI
Viewsonic VA1912WM@9400
L.G. L1952S @ 11000
Benq FP92W @ 10200
Dell E197FP 4:3 analog @ 15000
Dell E198WFP 19" Widescreen Flat Panel Monitor@14400






20" Samsung 206 BW@21000
Viewsonic 2021M@12800
Viewsonic 2030WM@15000
DELL E207WFP @ 18000



22" Viewsonic 2235WM@ 17000
Viewsonic 2245WM@ 17500
DELL E228WFP @ 19000
SAMSUNG 226BW @ 26500


PRICE SOURCES ITWARES, ITDEPOT, DELTAPAGE, DELL INDIA


As saurav has said maintaining this thread cant be 1 persons job so I request everyone here to plz. Recommend appropriate changes in this post. I mean tell more about availability, price & features of these models.

[keith_j_snyder2]

ok guys today i verified with 2-3 dealers in b'lore SP road Intel E6750 2.66 Ghz 1333 Mhz FSB cots 8050 Rs ....unbar gained price...so guess what when u bargain heavy

7800 Rs !!!!!!!

and E6550 costs around 7200-7400 with various dealers !!

choto time to replace E6550 by E6750 in one the rig that u have mentioned in the guide Post no 1


Whattttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!
Holy S***! Dude thats a KILLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!

[Pathik]

hey yup man... thats too good..
does any1 know the lamington road prices??

[infra_red_dude]

^^^ should be cheaper by 100-200 bucks than s.p road, thats it.

[Phalanx]

off topic : just for info Guys.........me and my friend got this PC today for him in b'lore SP road !!!!

ASUS M2NPV-VM with HDTV out !!!! on board Geforce 6150 !!! Price 4200 RS

AMD X2 5000+ 5100 Rs !!!!

SATA 160 GB 2000 Rs !!!!

Transcend 800 Mhz 1 GB DDR2 RAM original 2100 Rs ( bargained from 2300 Rs )

450 Watt Techcom powersupply with Dual fan cabinet 1550 Rs !!!
that's all we bought as we had rest of stuff....enjoy the prices !!
was giving AMD 5200 X2 at 5750 Rs after heavy bargaining bud instead went for 5000 X2 as this what all we need for Programming and surfing and gaming rearely

Those are some really low prices!!!!:)
Which shop did you buy it from???

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

railton computers SP road........man i had to bargain

i got an idea.....just take a piece of paper and wirte your own low prices and tell a shop guy that the next shop guy is offering these prices !! hahaha shld work

coz i got some low prices from a shop...after heavy bargain !! then later took that piece of paper to another shop and got it less buy say 25 rs to 50 rs less !!

ok railton computers tel no 22998456 and 41516497
first goto other shops and then come here

man that golchha guy is damn costly !! $hit i hate him...initially i was a fan of that shop

[Phalanx]

@aks_win

Did you enquire for the graphic card prices there especially the 8 series ones??? I also bought my system from SP road. Shop name is Shri Computers. They quoted the lowest prices straight away, I didn't have to bargain at all. Had a really good buying experience there... Anyway I will find out the prices of the same components you bought ( and some more) and see which shop offers better price... Will keep you posted....:)

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

oh no we did not do much into gfx stuff........
but i just asked the price for 8500 GT XFX 256...and he said its 4500 rs as i said i might later buy it

man deltapage price for XFX 8500 GT Is 5100 rs !!

all pirces in deltapage and itwares are simply high

[Phalanx]

These online site always quote higher prices... I bought my 8600GT for 7K + TAX a couple of months ago... At that time these sites were quoting more than 8500 bucks...

[sagargv]

wats the price of those dg33bu mobo's . r they available in india . can u suggest a mobo with decent onboard gfx with fsb 1333mhz .

[Choto Cheeta]

@vivekbabbudelhi

Thnx a ton yaar :D

Gr8 job on the LCD Segment :D

updating the 1st page with those Info :D

wats the price of those dg33bu mobo's . r they available in india . can u suggest a mobo with decent onboard gfx with fsb 1333mhz .

well I can say about Kolkata, not much 3rd party board on the G33 Chipset yet, but yes the DG33BU is retailing at Rs. 5200/- + TAX without bargain, so extpect few bucks low...

and right now that seems the Best board intel with onboard... till we get the ASUS prices on their G33 chipset boards...

how ever, still i would put XFX 650i Ultra + 8400 GS option over that Intel DG33BU, if u are buying for home PC, but if office PC, then yeah DG33BU is a good option :D

By the way, Vivek, give us ur verdict on

one Budget 15"
one Performace 17" and Budget 17"
One Best Value (Budget) 19" WideScreen

:D

I would be try updating my config once again for few Budget Gaming Segments, will use those of ur options :D

[cynosure]

wats the price of those dg33bu mobo's . r they available in india . can u suggest a mobo with decent onboard gfx with fsb 1333mhz .
dg33bu is a uATX mobo. So the number of PCI/PCIx and other slots is SOMETIMES less than that of the normal ATX board because of the size constraints. I dont know about the price but if it comes cheap then its a bang for the back, if not then go for any other mobo which other members can tell you.

PS: I dont know about the onboard graphics wale mobo (apart from intel who give onboard gfx on almost all of their mobos), but all of todays mobo (XFX, Asus, GB) can support the 1333FSB after a bios update.

@choto: Man leave budget gaming aside, prepare a config about the 60-70K wala gaming segment. And after the prices of your fav. p35 board come down then update the same with p35 board ;)

[Pathik]

the only two intel budget mobos with onboard gfx to take now are dg965ry and dg33bu...

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^^^

When talking about G965 based ones, dont forget P5B-V / VM , they to comes with G965 and puch of ASUS OC :p

http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1314&l1=3&l2=11&l3=332&l4=0

[Pathik]

yup but they are a tad costlier...
and also consider the p5k vm

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^^

Price ?? and do mention the source please...

[infra_red_dude]

@ bangalore guys

try out bangalore computech and surabhi computers on s.p road.... they've offered real good deals to me almost everytime.. of corz bargaining is always there! :D

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^^


Do keep us informed with the prices out there :D as u said, if u know the correct price, its easy to bargain :D

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

ok thanks infra...nxt time i will check out tht shops

[sagargv]

@vivekbabbudelhi

Thnx a ton yaar :D

Gr8 job on the LCD Segment :D

updating the 1st page with those Info :D



well I can say about Kolkata, not much 3rd party board on the G33 Chipset yet, but yes the DG33BU is retailing at Rs. 5200/- + TAX without bargain, so extpect few bucks low...

and right now that seems the Best board intel with onboard... till we get the ASUS prices on their G33 chipset boards...

how ever, still i would put XFX 650i Ultra + 8400 GS option over that Intel DG33BU, if u are buying for home PC, but if office PC, then yeah DG33BU is a good option :D

By the way, Vivek, give us ur verdict on

one Budget 15"
one Performace 17" and Budget 17"
One Best Value (Budget) 19" WideScreen

:D

I would be try updating my config once again for few Budget Gaming Segments, will use those of ur options :D

thanks . plz keep us informed when asus releases its g33 mobo's .

[vivekbabbudelhi]

As far as my opinion is concerned buying 15” lcd monitors is not at all advisable these days considering higher dot pixel arrangement (lower the pixel size sharper the image), higher response times & most their price. Today 19” lcd segment is sweetest of them because of resolution 1440x900(16:10), lower the pixel sizes hence sharper images, dvi-d inputs means lesser bleeding, plus 1440x900 panel with dvi-d hdcp enabled input is a 720p hd ready tv !!!so just look for them……….hd era is awaiting us…

Best buy
15” samsung 540n@8000 ,
ViewSonic VA503b@8400

17” Samsung 740N@9200 4:3
viewsonic VA1703WB (Wide Screen) @ 8500 16:10 1440x900(good)


19” Viewsonic VX922 @11500 4:3
Samsung 940 NW @ 11200 16:10 analog only
Viewsonic VG1930WM @10500
Samsung 940 bw @ 14000 (dvi-d hdcp)
Plz. Comment on availability & exact prices from market

I highly recommend Samsung monitors 17” ,19”,20” & 22” because they have best RTA in TN panels.

[cynosure]

I would be try updating my config once again for few Budget Gaming Segments, will use those of ur options :D

This is what I posted last night but it was submerged due to autopost.

@choto: Man leave budget gaming aside, prepare a config about the 60-70K wala gaming segment. And after the prices of your fav. p35 board come down then update the same with p35 board :wink:

[Choto Cheeta]

@choto: Man leave budget gaming aside, prepare a config about the 60-70K wala gaming segment. And after the prices of your fav. p35 board come down then update the same with p35 board

upto 70k range !!!!

OK will try....

:lol: but dont u feel that Buying one Dell 1720 would be better than a PC then :lol:

[cynosure]

^I was high last night :D 60K-65K will do :)

[Pathik]

60k
asus p5k3 deluxe
c2d e6750
transcend 2*1gb ddr667
8800gts 320mb
altec lancing atp3
zebronics antibiotic cabby + a powersafe 600W psu
...........................

[BULLZI]

@choto
i need a really good headset.plz suggest one.budget shud not exceed 6k.i have searched a lot of headsets but cant decide a decent one,there are so many.the headphone must be gr8 for listening to songs as well as gaming.i am really finding it difficult to choose amongst hundreds:(.

someone plz suggest a headset.need to have that within a week.

[fiddler]

There seems to be pretty good advice in this thread, so i thought i'll ask a q myself.....

I recently managed to smoke my old system so my 1GB RAM and Asus K8V-MX mobo are now history.

That said i am on the lookout for some new hardware specifically a mobo-processor combo. I shortlisted the CPU's down to

1. AMD X2 5600+ and
2. Intel C2D E6550

both which come into the same price band 7-8k

Now i am looking for recommendations for mobo for each of these and opinions as to which will be a better buy.
Any advice would be welcome...

[cynosure]

@pathiks:
What I want is this. I dont know the exact price of some things so can make a bill kinds thing for me. Thanks a ton.

Budget is 60K-65K MAX.

1) C2Q 6600
2) XFX 650i ultra
3) 2x2GB Kingston 800MHz RAM / 4x1GB whichever is cheaper
4) Viewsonic 19" LCD monitor Widescreen (Can be non HD)
5) Local BIG (Bada) cabinet
6) 2.1/5.1 speaker system that you guys think can be used w/o screwing the budget.
7) MS/Logitech Keyboard + Mouse (Can be gaming mouse if it does not screws the budget)
8) 2x500 W PSU (I will join them :D) or 2x400W depending on need/upgradability.
9) A wi-fi reciever (or whatever you geeks call it)
10) UPS which you guys can suggest after looking at the config.
Now this should be excluded while estimating the cost of the uper wale items:
11) Nvidia 8800 GTX (Will get it from US/Dubai/Singapore for about 22K)

I have a liteon DVD burner.
A floppy drive.

Hope I am not forgetting something.

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

cynosure.....buy ur comp now !!

but then later u will cry from nov dec when 45nm intel is launched also even phenom will be out....which might well mean quad cores @ 8k to 10k

add to that nvidia 9800 GTX (25k-30k) and 9800GTS (15k-20k) will be out pushing down the Price of 8800 GTX

on top of that 9800 will mark the beginning of teraflop age !!! and its a monster u know that !!

instead now go for some 4k gfx card and later get a big one G92....now is the time to wait !! common 45nm penryn and phenom and G92 !!!

[wirelessraj]

Guys, is the P35 based boards r available in India.

can anybody confirm on this along with the prices of the individual boards (along with price source)

Thanx

[keith_j_snyder2]

cynosure.....buy ur comp now !!

but then later u will cry from nov dec when 45nm intel is launched also even phenom will be out....which might well mean quad cores @ 8k to 10k

add to that nvidia 9800 GTX (25k-30k) and 9800GTS (15k-20k) will be out pushing down the Price of 8800 GTX

on top of that 9800 will mark the beginning of teraflop age !!! and its a monster u know that !!

instead now go for some 4k gfx card and later get a big one G92....now is the time to wait !! common 45nm penryn and phenom and G92 !!!

Somehow i also agreed but only with the processor.
Nobody exactly can say that the 9800 GTX is around the corner.
I even cant see the web is also saying about the nVidia plans.
I believe the BIG one will take some time to come!

[cynosure]

Even I wish to wait and wish to add the latest stuff in the PC that I want to build. But I am DYING to play the latest games :( I used to be a hardcore gamer(not very hardcore but the basic hardcore :)) but now I am living with a PIII PC with linux on it which is good for nothing but surfing web:(
So I think that buy PC within good 15-20 days is a better option rather than pulling hair out every now and then. By the time december arrives, I will be as thin as my hair:)

[Pathik]

but if u hav that good a budget i think u shd take a p35 based mobo like the p5k3 deluxe for compatibility wit 45nm proccys. Also to save cash u can get the 8600gt 4 now.. 7k.. U ll be able to play all games till now..

[cynosure]

Current mobos like xfx 650i ultra and asus p5* will support the 45nm proccy after a bios update. This is what I came across after I googled.
p5k3 dlx has no other pros except the support for DDR3 mem, whose price right now is anything triple or quadruple times the price of DDR2 mem.

I can take your option of 8600GT and I will buy 9800GTS if its in a range of 15-20K in the month of december (x-mas). What do you say?

Mobo: XFX 650i ultra and Gfx = 8600GT OC'd.

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^^

Not there are some catch, like XFX 650i ultra will not Support memory voltage over 2.1v... and see, to reach my 3.6 GHz OC, i needed to use Memory Voltage 2.178... so if i had XFX 650i Ultra I may not be able to reach 3.6 GHz !!!!

:p

650i ultra is good for C2D or C2Q, but not a future proof... in that case i wouls suggest P5N-E SLi !!! :D

[sagargv]

take a xfx 680i ultra , since u're building a high end rig . the 650i is a pretty good choice though . ..

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^^

Even though I would keep P5N32-E SLi before that XFX Ultra setup up :p both these are not that much High end now days...

:lol:

So better think of that ASUS P35 one which comes with onboard 2 GB DDR-3 with factory OC :p

[cynosure]

^^ Man I have a budget. There are no money trees in my backyard :(
And nowdays 2GB is nothing. Thats why I want to go for 4GBs.
And can you point out some more pros of P5N32E-SLI (Its price too) over XFX 650i?

[Pathik]

but that wd be too costly choto.. :p
also @ cyno u can get xfx 650i ultra for now temporarily... 5k isnt much.. atleast u can use it for about 2 yrs then take a p35 based dd3 supporting one...
but if u hav a 60k budget a 650i+8600gt seems less...
cos i m getting both in my 30k budget with 2gb ddr2 667 ram..
the p5n32esli is 680i sli based board... and is more stable at higher OCs than the xfx650i sli... but nothing can beat the VFM ness of the xfx 650i ultra..

[cynosure]

The main culprit is GFX card. Given the fact that even the 8800s are not that good for their cost I dont know what the hell can sustain my rig for about 4 years.:(
60K is not for an year or two, its for 4 damn years :(

[Pathik]

then get a xfx650i ultra+ a 8600gt.. save the rest for upgrades..

[cynosure]

^^ Fine. I think after 2 years the p35 will be affordable and even ddr3.

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

dx10 games will bring even the 9800GTX to its knees !!
8800GTX will be thrashed badly to death by the DX10 games !!

in highly realistic F1 research simulation and calculations even the super computers are pushed to the extreme !!

i think that's why the rush by nvidia to get a card that can handle dx10 games....well did u read the GFX article in this month magazine ??? read it !! its good !

[keith_j_snyder2]

Wise decision would be XFX 650i ultra And go for any 8600 GT.Trust me its a waste of money to buy DDR 3 now, U can go for DDR 3 mobos & RAM after almost 1 year because of the prices which are sky high!

[Pathik]

actually its just a joint strategy by the game companies and the gfx card manufacturers...
the game companies keep rolling out ultra high reqt games so that we have to buy the latest gfx card..

[abhijangda]

good guide friend

[cynosure]

Every option is so screwed up that sometimes I think of buying a XBOX 360 but that wont be allowed in college hostel :( and a good gaming rig cannot last as long as the 360 or PS3 would last.

And can anybody tell me about the custom duties if I try to import any decent gfx card/RAM/fans etc in India?
Some members are using imported items, if they can help me then it will be appreciated.

[Pathik]

i wd say go wit wat i m goin for right now...
e6750
8600gt
xfx 650i ultra
2*1gb ddr2 667 (make it 4)
and save some cash for future upgrades....
....................
or get a lappy... u ll get a great one in 65k..

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

but make it 2 Gb 800 Mgz RAM why make a mistake here...when Transcend 1 GB RAM 800 Mhz i got it at 2100 Rs ??? its just 4k !! total.....
ok i dont know if this this transcend ram is good when some one is going to over clock !! if not ask choto abt it

[cynosure]

@ pathiks: Your config is fine but I want a quad core :) and 4GB 800MHz RAM.
Rest is fine. I agree with you.:)

[Pathik]

@aks i think that if u take a 1333 fsb mobo then u ll defi need (more than 667) 800 ram to give room for ocing the clock speed more than 333mhz... not sure about it though..
@cyno yup then go for a q6600 (g0 stepping..)

[cynosure]

Yes I think I read the same thing somewhere. Dual channel 667 = 1333FSB.
But if I OC the processor then mem will be a bottleneck for the system.
Anyways, Q6600 is 1066FSB.:)

[mukherjee]

I will be upgrading my rig in a week :D. I have set aside Rs. 30k for the same(max):)

Actually I am confused about the choice of cpu+mobo+ram.:(

The non variable items are listed below:

1.Seagate 250GB SATA 2/NCQ Barracuda 7200.10 HDD......2.8k

Should i opt for 16MB cache or 8MB one?I havent seen any real performance diff btween both.Plus 16MB variant is not easily available in Kolkata

2.XFX Geforce 8600GT 256 MB(or should i go for leadtek/zebronics/sparkle?).......6.6k


3.Zebronics Antibiotics Cabinet{any other options?}.......1.9k w/o PSU

4.Coolermaster Extreme Power 500W PSU{any others?}......3.3k

Total=Rs.14.6k

I have thought of the following possible CPU+MOBO+RAM combinations:

1.....C2D E4400 + XFX 650i Ultra + 2*1GB DDR 2 800

2.....C2D E6320 + XFX 650i Ultra + 2*1GB DDR 2 667

3.....C2D E6550 + XFX 650i Ultra + 1*1GB DDR 2 667

Which combination should i opt for?:o Remember,i must keep the budget within Rs.30k max!

Any other suggestions?

And does the XFX 650i Ultra mobo has issues with 1333 Mhz FSB C2Ds? Does it support the 1333 Mhz C2Ds(here the E6550) out
of the box without any bios updates?:o

Please reply urgently friends!!

[Pathik]

^^ i think its not good to give 11% of ur whole budget to a PSU... rather get a normal 500W for 400 bucks..
and get a e6750 + a xfx 650i ultra.. -13.5k..
xfx 8600 gt - 6.8k
transcend 2*1gb ddr 2 667.. -3600
zebronics antibiotic + 500wpsu -2.4k
250 gb sata 2 7200.10 seagate- 2.8k
samsung 17" crt 4.5k
creative sbs 370 - 1k
~34k...
reduce it further by getting a normal atx cabby

[mukherjee]

Actually i only need to get a new cpu+mobo+ram+hdd+grafix crd+cabby+psu.rest i have.

nw comment on the cpu+mobo+ram front.
u havent told weder xfx 650i supports 1333mhz c2d 6550!

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

zebronic antibiotic is cool cabinet....are u sure it cost 1.9k ???
when i buy a comp...even if not with a good gfx card...i want such a candy looking cabinet !!

pathiks any idea about good looking cabinet....suggest me some Good looking with LED and neons and cheap with in 3k that is say 2k for cabby and 1k for mid range gaming and later OCing


any idea about the cost of bijli zebronics cabinet ?? i will start saving form now !! only for cabinet !!

[mukherjee]

zebronic antibiotic is cool cabinet....are u sure it cost 1.9k ???
when i buy a comp...even if not with a good gfx card...i want such a candy looking cabinet !!
any idea about the cost of bijli zebronics cabinet ?? i will start saving form now !! only for cabinet !!

Yeah sure.Dats widout the bundled 400w PSU. Im getting d Coolermaster neway!

bijli,btw,should cost about the same

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

why coolermaster go for zebronic platinum......it shld be cheap and also its got LED fans right...i jst saw its pics

ok can u sugest me some names of companies that sell gaming cabinets in india ??

[mukherjee]

why coolermaster go for zebronic platinum......it shld be cheap and also its got LED fans right...i jst saw its pics

ok can u sugest me some names of companies that sell gaming cabinets in india ??

ummmm buddy i m a real dog for dual 12v rails.also the zeb psu doesnt have a pci x connector. i plan to upgrade my card in the future...
well,why dont u comment on my config questions?

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

@ mukherjee option 3 sounds great !! go for that !!!
or else wait and watch like me till dec jan....i think u can hold on na

man do u know ?? @ C2D E6750 is 8k did u see my post ?? am sure of this !!
and i personally dont like the 8600 GT wait for prices to cool down and go for 8600 GTS if this comes down in Dec !!

you can go for E6550 no probs...its 7k u save 1k for other stuff !!

whats a pci x connector ??and what is this dual 12v rails ???
man i just found out that u might need 700 Watts supply check this site....!!

http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp (http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp)

i dont know if this can be trusted !

[cynosure]

^XFX 650i ultra does NOT support 1333FSB outta box, you need a bios update.

[Pratyush]

Low-end PC Gaming(prices as of 31 July 2007)

1. Motherboard - MSI K9N6SGM - V [Rs. 3500]
2. Processor - AMD X2 4800+ [Rs. 5300]
3. RAM - 1 GB DDR2 667 MHz [Rs. 1950]
4. Graphics Card - XFX GeForce 7300 GT 256 MB [Rs. 4200]
5. Hard Disk - Seagate Baracuda 160 GB 7200rpm [Rs. 2185]
6. Monitor - Samsung 17" SyncMaster 794 MG Black [Rs. 4530]
7. Mouse - Microsoft wired Optical Desktop combo 1000 [Rs. 1500]
8. Keyboard - Nil
9. Optical Drive - SONY 18x Dual Layer DVD Writer [Rs. 1550]
10. Cabinet - Zebronics with Fan/power supply [Rs. 1000]

Total Price - Rs. 25,715
If you do not have a speaker then consider buying Creative SBS 2.1 370 for Rs. 1100.

[mukherjee]

^XFX 650i ultra does NOT support 1333FSB outta box, you need a bios update.

well wat can be done about it? can i buy the E6550,plug this thing up and then have the bios update? i already have the reqd bios file from xfx website....
wat else can i do?shud i do good to stick to E6320 den?

Plz reply...its urgent!

[Pathik]

the bijli is a good one... but i like the black antibiotic more... also checkout the diana...

[mukherjee]

@ mukherjee option 3 sounds great !! go for that !!!
or else wait and watch like me till dec jan....i think u can hold on na

man do u know ?? @ C2D E6750 is 8k did u see my post ?? am sure of this !!
and i personally dont like the 8600 GT wait for prices to cool down and go for 8600 GTS if this comes down in Dec !!

you can go for E6550 no probs...its 7k u save 1k for other stuff !!

whats a pci x connector ??and what is this dual 12v rails ???
man i just found out that u might need 700 Watts supply check this site....!!

http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp (http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp)

i dont know if this can be trusted !


personally i think 8600gts is too costly....

power...bro it shows only 300W bro!!!!:o

i cant hold on any longer bro...alredy waiting for a year:D...

now a pci x connector is the one for your pci express grafix card power.6pin(maybe 8 pin)...get dat now?

dual 12 v rails means two rails for 12v supply=greater power8)+greater stability8)+greater price:(!!!

[cynosure]

See http://forum.ncix.com/forums/index.php?mode=showthread&forum=116&threadid=1390616&pagenumber=1&msgcount=11&subpage=1

It has the link to the latest bios update.

[Pathik]

also yea u ll need to update the bios (the p03 update) to enable 1333 fsb support..

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

mukherjee sure ?? 300 Watts ?? sure ?? how did u calculate man ??
check this out too
http://www.schrockinnovations.com/powercalc.php

[cynosure]

I gave the link. :)

[mukherjee]

mukherjee sure ?? 300 Watts ?? sure ?? how did u calculate man ??
check this out too
http://www.schrockinnovations.com/powercalc.php

hmmmmmmmmm...coming round abt 350W bro! but wont d coolermaster do good?

I gave the link. :)


dats rite.i already had the file.thanks neway.

but my point is---wat proccy shud i buy?4400,6320,6550?
can i update bios after i first plug in the 6550?would the system boot at all with 6550?

[sagargv]

forget the wattage , the amperage on the 12volt rail is wat is MOST WANTED . .get more if u want to OC .and dont forget that efficiency reduces quite a lot after a year or so ....

[Pathik]

the system wouldnt bootup at all with a 1333mhz fsb proccy....
try getting a older lga775 proccy from a friend just to boot up and flash ur bios and then replace it wit ur 6550/6750

[mukherjee]

forget the wattage , the amperage on the 12volt rail is wat is MOST WANTED . .get more if u want to OC .and dont forget that efficiency reduces quite a lot after a year or so ....


i see that the 12v rails have 16A rating each.
wud dat do?

also..post some comments on the E6550+XFX 650i Ultra compatibility dilemma

that the system wouldnt bootup at all with a 1333mhz fsb proccy....
try getting a older lga775 proccy from a friend just to boot up and flash ur bios and then replace it wit ur 6550/6750

dats a real clincher!!:x
isnt there ne other way bro?

[keith_j_snyder2]

hmmmmmmmmm...coming round abt 350W bro! but wont d coolermaster do good?




dats rite.i already had the file.thanks neway.

but my point is---wat proccy shud i buy?4400,6320,6550?
can i update bios after i first plug in the 6550?would the system boot at all with 6550?

U can get ur BIOS updated from the dealer u are buying from. I 've got mine BIOS updated from Computer Empire,New Delhi.....FOR FREEEEEEEE!

[mukherjee]

U can get ur BIOS updated from the dealer u are buying from. I 've got mine BIOS updated from Computer Empire,New Delhi.....FOR FREEEEEEEE!


How izz dat possible?
wat will i tell him? i mean,hw com i m going to ma