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vps85

29-01-2008, 11:49 AM

@vps85

SLI with x8 support is quite meaning less... :( anyway, ABiT IP35-E with 8600 GT is quite a good :) for processor I think E4500 would come under that budget :)

can u please let me know wats that x8 support and y is that meaning less? and y is not good...i saw those (abit fatal1ty and asus) are good in terms of specifications and upgradability...asus has 45nm support also.. so i thought it wud be good...

Choto Cheeta

29-01-2008, 11:57 AM

ASUS P5N-E SLi is nvidia 650i setup... though it supports PCI-E x16 for single graphics card but while under SLi the cards would work at PCI-E x8 interface :( thus slowing them down by half... where as P5N32-E SLi is a proper SLi board, in which they can run at their full x16 speed :)

2 x PCI Express x16
- Single VGA mode: x16 (Default)
- SLI mode: x8, x8

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1474&l1=3&l2=11&l3=473&l4=0

juggler

29-01-2008, 12:00 PM

@choto
waiting for ur review of Budget Pc (on with amd processor and asus m2a vm)

Choto Cheeta

29-01-2008, 12:04 PM

@choto
waiting for ur review of Budget Pc (on with amd processor and asus m2a vm)

need to test the setups for atleast 15 days :p on all aspect to provide a review... where as I all most broke my foot :lol: as an APC 650VA have fallen directly upon my foot :p so bit slow on process :lol:

anyway, Testing

AMD X2 4200+ and M2A-VM AMD X2 4200+ and M2NPV-VM Intel E2140 with XFX 630i (7150)

all comes at more or less same price range :) all are running rest same hardware :D

juggler

29-01-2008, 12:10 PM

^^ Hope that results are interesting

Sinja

29-01-2008, 12:22 PM

hi friends
is there any mobo wich will give full output to 4 gb of ram and support 2 graphics cards running simultaneously . i did hear some where upto 2 gb ram is supported and 4gb decreases efficiency -_-"
sry if this question seems n00b but i was looking for a dream config of high end gamming pc........

Sunny1211993

29-01-2008, 01:02 PM

^^
P5n32 E Sli

vps85

29-01-2008, 01:16 PM

ASUS P5N-E SLi is nvidia 650i setup... though it supports PCI-E x16 for single graphics card but while under SLi the cards would work at PCI-E x8 interface :( thus slowing them down by half... where as P5N32-E SLi is a proper SLi board, in which they can run at their full x16 speed :)

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1474&l1=3&l2=11&l3=473&l4=0

oh fine..new information for me..ty.. so any board which has 650 i chipset for sli supports only x8 when in sli mode?

how do i see whether a board supports true SLI...wat abt ABit Fatal1ty FP-IN9 SLI ---is it true SLI ? ...

Sunny1211993

29-01-2008, 01:33 PM

hi Guyz,i am going to build a PC under 30K.
It is needed for office work and good onboard graphix are needed for a bit of gameplay.
here is the config i have made-
XFX 630i Ultra-3.4K
Intel C2D E6600-6.5K
Trancend 2GB 800 Mhz-2.1K
seagate 250 GB SATA II-2.8K
Lite on 20 X DVD RW-1.25 K
Any local cabby with a 400 W PSU-3k(i hope 400 W is enough)
any UPS-2K
logitech wireless KB mouse combo-1.5K
Creative 2.1 speakers-1k
Samsung sync master 740N 17"-8K.
Total-32K,2K exceeded but thats acceptable if u need a decent rig in 30-35K range:D:D

Is this config ok??
plz correct me if i quoted any wrong prices:D

Maverick340

29-01-2008, 02:01 PM

I need to upgrade my current PC config of

Asus A8N-VM (nforce 4)
AMD 64FX 3000+ 1.8 Ghz
512 MB DDR RAM
ATi Radeon X1300
===============
Whats the resale value ??

I am doing 3D animation so requirements are moderatly high. S/w used are 3Ds Mx and Maya (in future). Also i am very satisfied with AMD and want to go for AMD again ( i know C2D is betr currently but i want to go with AMD )
After reading this thread the genrealy opinion is towards

Asus M2A VM
AMD X2 4400+/5600+
Geforce 8600GT 256MB
2 x 1 Gb DDR2 SDRAM
=================
Price comes to 11800

Is this config good enough ? And how much will it cost ? What about power supply for the above ? Are NViDIA and AMD compatible ? (i had some prev problem with the two)

Upgrade time is about one week , Max is hanging often :(

j1n M@tt

29-01-2008, 07:16 PM

@sunny

Take E6550(1333MHz FSB) for 7k instead of E6600.

And look up d prev. posts to get a better view of price quotes.....

harryneopotter

29-01-2008, 07:56 PM

I need to upgrade my current PC config of

I am doing 3D animation so requirements are moderatly high. S/w used are 3Ds Mx and Maya (in future). Also i am very satisfied with AMD and want to go for AMD again ( i know C2D is betr currently but i want to go with AMD )
After reading this thread the genrealy opinion is towards

Is this config good enough ? And how much will it cost ? What about power supply for the above ? Are NViDIA and AMD compatible ? (i had some prev problem with the two)

Upgrade time is about one week , Max is hanging often :(

Ur choice is good if u want to stick to AMD ... but plz specify ur budget so that we can recommend the exact config. And AFAIK there r no compatibility issues b/w AMD and Nvidia. And about the power supply for the config mentioned by u, any decent 400/450 w power supply is enough. Or u can look for Zebronics 500w Platinum.

MetalheadGautham

29-01-2008, 08:29 PM

need to test the setups for atleast 15 days :p on all aspect to provide a review... where as I all most broke my foot :lol: as an APC 650VA have fallen directly upon my foot :p so bit slow on process :lol:

anyway, Testing

AMD X2 4200+ and M2A-VM
AMD X2 4200+ and M2NPV-VM
Intel E2140 with XFX 630i (7150)
all comes at more or less same price range :) all are running rest same hardware :D
I think AMD X2 4200+ can be a value deal. Its better than the E2140, and budget PC(upto 30K) manufacturers(assemblers) in bangalore all prescribe that for being VFM(while looking at performance). Its 3.5 to 4k cost.

but you might want to try AMD Athlon 64 X2 BE-2350

MSI K9N GM-L
ASUS M2N-MX
MSI K9NGM2-FID
MSI K9MM-V
MSI K9AGM2-LASUS M2A-VM

are worth looking at I guess...

and yes, Gigabyte GA-8I945GZME is a good cheap intel mobo.

btw, isn't AMD Athlon 64 X2 BE-2350 the best sub 3k processor ?

Choto Cheeta

29-01-2008, 09:29 PM

how do i see whether a board supports true SLI...wat abt ABit Fatal1ty FP-IN9 SLI ---is it true SLI ? ...

If planning SLi then think for ASUS P5N32-E SLi :)

@MetalheadGautham

BE processors are really costly in Kolkata, dont know why :( but i dont have plan in next update (In cafe) if possible will go for the BE Range :)

about Mobo, we do have MSI M9AGM2-FIH / ASUS M2N-MX / MSI K9MM-V (this one is really not upto the mark, and was a pretty bad investment) / M2A-VM on those boards which you mentioned :) now all are based on same chipset the AMD690 or nvidia 6150 :p... while higher one comes with better cooling and extra ram slot and bios tweking option :p so more or less the video or procy performance comes the same :p

btw, isn't AMD Athlon 64 X2 BE-2350 the best sub 3k processor ?

last time (a month) when i checked I was quoted Rs. 4300/- for the Procy :cry:

hi Guyz,i am going to build a PC under 30K.
It is needed for office work and good onboard graphix are needed for a bit of gameplay.

with higher budget the XFX 630i 7150 isnt just the board which one should have :) as for its single channel ram setup... but for your need you may,

Intel E6550 @ Rs. 6700 /- + TAX
XFX 630i 7150 @ Rs. 3450 /- + TAX
19" TFT View Sonic vg1930wm (don’t buy vx1932wm) @ Rs. 9200 /- + TAX
Kingstone DDR-II 667 MHz 2 GB Single Stick @ Rs. 1800 /- + TAX
250 GB SATA-II 16mb buffer @ Rs. 2600 /- + TAX
DVD RW liteon / lg / asus @ Rs. 1300 /- + TAX
Any Local Cabinet with 450 watts <- now days they all come with 450 watts @ Rs. 1200 /- + TAX
Local UPS @ Rs. 1400 /- + TAX
Logitech wireless combo @ Rs. 1500 /- + TAX
Creative 2.1 SBS 3xx @ Rs. 1000 /- + TAX

TAX @ 4% VAT Rs. 1206 /-
Total Rs. 31356 /-

may be at your place price may come high, and I guess then u may have to drop down to 17" TFT :lol:

@Maverick340

Understood your needs, may i know your budget ??

Maverick340

29-01-2008, 09:49 PM

I dont really have a budget as such. I am not a gamer , i only need it to run Maya and 3Ds Max well. Along with it if i can play games , thats bonus.
No SLI also. Mobo , RAM and Gfx card are almost confimred

Asus M2A-VM
2 x 1 Trancend 800mhz DDR2 SDRAM
Geforce 8600GT 256MB

About the proccy , AMD 64 X2 4400+ looks like a good deal , but If i can pack in something better for under 12-13k then its good.

Choto Cheeta

29-01-2008, 10:01 PM

I dont really have a budget as such.

@Maverick340

then why not intel ??

MetalheadGautham

29-01-2008, 10:09 PM

@MetalheadGautham

BE processors are really costly in Kolkata, dont know why :( but i dont have plan in next update (In cafe) if possible will go for the BE Range :)

about Mobo, we do have MSI M9AGM2-FIH / ASUS M2N-MX / MSI K9MM-V (this one is really not upto the mark, and was a pretty bad investment) / M2A-VM on those boards which you mentioned :) now all are based on same chipset the AMD690 or nvidia 6150 :p... while higher one comes with better cooling and extra ram slot and bios tweking option :p so more or less the video or procy performance comes the same :p

last time (a month) when i checked I was quoted Rs. 4300/- for the Procy :cry:
I think I may have misquoted the price, but you certainly get that procy for ~3.5K in grey market without bargaining. And yes, BE range is worth concidering if you have a frequent use rig, as it consumes lesser power due to the 65 nm architecture, and power in India is costlier than is US, and with all these "green PC" stuff today, and the abusive power bills, it might be helpful for you.

And yes, MSI K9MM-V was Via. And 3k. So how can you expect it to be good ?
And if you already have those boards, I don't think you concider buying new boards? And you might as well review the processor on those boards too ?
BTW, how is M2A-VM ? Compared to the other boards ?

And I just noticed, Intel has lots of cheap mobos these days. Will it affect AMD's market share ?
And tell me some Sub 3k AMD Boards.

PS: Have you got enough experience with your rigs to tell about all your boards/processors and rate their performance/cost ?

Sunny1211993

29-01-2008, 10:12 PM

thnx choto but E6600 and 17" would do fine :D:D

dOm1naTOr

29-01-2008, 10:17 PM

Even MSI K9N GM is for 2.3k and K9MMV is sub 2.5kk board nd is even cheaper than K9N GM nd even K9A GM2 is for 2.4k.
And M2A VM is a very gud board compared to these as it has gud oc features nd DVI too. But none has fan over the MCP heatsink, nd it fells like they heat up pretty more, nd a fan wud have appreciated.
And even M2A VM's MCP heatsink is too hot. I think they are saving on the heatsink nd fans.

MetalheadGautham

29-01-2008, 10:30 PM

thnx choto but E6600 and 17" would do fine :D:D
I think 6420 is enough if you are on a budget. OC Potential remains the same.
Only native clock speed differs, and its not a big enough issue.
You save about Rs. 1400/- which can help you get a better monitor. I think its worth it.

Sunny1211993

29-01-2008, 10:50 PM

^^
first thing ,that PC is not for me.And those who are buying it are staisfied with 17" monitor then y not give them a better proccy.

Maverick340

29-01-2008, 11:04 PM

@Maverick340

then why not intel ??

Wy not AMD ? :)
I like AMD, happy with the performance ? If intel can fetch me a noticible better performance , then ok. Ohterwise I shall stick to AMD. And If you want a rough estimate budget is 13k

Choto Cheeta

29-01-2008, 11:08 PM

PS: Have you got enough experience with your rigs to tell about all your boards/processors and rate their performance/cost ?

No I dont consider that :( I still have a tons of thing to learn :( what ever little I have learnt i do try to share them with all...

And yes, MSI K9MM-V was Via. And 3k. So how can you expect it to be good ?

some thing not right as its Rs. 1600/- + TAX retailing at Kolkata :|

BTW, how is M2A-VM ? Compared to the other boards ?

better value for money that M2NPV-VM where as poor for linux with poor driver support :(

And I just noticed, Intel has lots of cheap mobos these days. Will it affect AMD's market share ?
And tell me some Sub 3k AMD Boards.

By far there is only one all most proper board from Intel which is XFX 630i 7150 :p that too is cripple by the fact of No Dual Chennel support

and as arvind said, MSI K9AMG2 (AMG690G) and ASUS M2N-MX at Rs. 2450/- is there :)

MetalheadGautham

29-01-2008, 11:17 PM

^^
first thing ,that PC is not for me.And those who are buying it are staisfied with 17" monitor then y not give them a better proccy.
better to invest that money in RAM, as it will give better performance gain. Or grapphic card. It also will give better performance gain. With a E6xxx series processor, the fact that all have 4 mb l2 cache instead of 2mb in other C2Ds is fact enough to give a solid performance boost.

Small increases in clock speeds of processors are not enough boosters of performance compared to something like 4GB ram instead of 2GB, or a 512mb 8600GT instead of a 256 mb 8600GT, GTS instead of GT, DDR3(in card) instead of DDR2, etc.

Choto Cheeta

29-01-2008, 11:19 PM

@Sunny1211993

E6600 is older one with 1066 FSB :) get ur seld the E6550 which is the 1333 FSB model :)

Sunny1211993

29-01-2008, 11:28 PM

^^
k thnx :D:D

MetalheadGautham

29-01-2008, 11:34 PM

@ cheeta: I have ab old system with iball Keyboard/Mouse(optical scroll) combo. My mouse fell down a few times and occasionally has difficulty moving(on screen). Is it worth opting for iBall's offer to exchange old mouse for an iBall lazer mouse for Rs. 399/- ?

http://www.iball.co.in/main_flash.swf
http://www.iball.co.in/

Maverick340

29-01-2008, 11:37 PM

better value for money that M2NPV-VM where as poor for linux with poor driver support :(

Really ?? Thats bad .. I am thinking of getting this and i use Ubuntu ...

MetalheadGautham

29-01-2008, 11:53 PM

Really ?? Thats bad .. I am thinking of getting this and i use Ubuntu ...
we are in the same boat I guess... But hasn't AMD promised to be more OSS friendly now onwards ?
All they need is a deal with the likes of one of Canonical, Red Hat, Mandriva, etc to start supplying OSS drivers with advertising terms in the contract between the two companies(like for example Canonical recomending in Ubuntu website a system with AMD products in it as an ideal budget Ubuntu Machine and AMD using a logo that says something like "Fully Compatible With Linux" and they might just have started the begining of a new era in computing.

And yes, their cards must better nVidia in OpenGL support and performance(in OpenGL again).

Choto Cheeta

29-01-2008, 11:55 PM

Really ?? Thats bad .. I am thinking of getting this and i use Ubuntu ...

nvidia has better support for Linux rather ATi :(

dOm1naTOr

30-01-2008, 12:00 AM

Choto Cheeta

30-01-2008, 12:03 AM

nvidia as native has better support but as an advance user u can work all those board under those linux :| box... but at a glance for linux users I would suggest nvidia products though :lol:

Harvik780

30-01-2008, 12:06 AM

I got my 8800GT today and the G92 core has surprised me to an extent more than what was experienced by other users.

j1n M@tt

30-01-2008, 12:06 AM

^^ if he is planning to use Ubuntu , M2A-VM is the one......

dOm1naTOr

30-01-2008, 12:13 AM

@Harvik780 (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=11637)
u got another 8800!!! wow gr8 dude...and have u sold those 2*8600GT?

MetalheadGautham

30-01-2008, 12:15 AM

But Prakash in this forum said that M2A Vm has gud linux drivers at least for Ubuntu. I dun use linux so dun know.
And he even said u can make it work with other distributions also with some easy commands
prakash said that ? Prakash, THE linux user, said that ? guess he never used it and just stole somebody's line:lol:

Choto Cheeta

30-01-2008, 12:18 AM

I got my 8800GT today and the G92 core has surprised me to an extent more than what was experienced by other users.

woah :D coooooool some screenshots pictures and a review please :D

MetalheadGautham

30-01-2008, 12:22 AM

woah :D coooooool some screenshots pictures and a review please :D
he must be one big graphic card freak.
Besides, does one XFX 8800GT 512mb GDDR3 out perform two XFX 8600GT 512(also reply for 256)mb GDDR3 in a computer ?(the later is in SLi, and the former is a single card).

Is doing what I said (replacing 8800gt with two 8600gt) a good VFMising PC technique ?

dOm1naTOr

30-01-2008, 12:30 AM

SLI is most of the time crappy nd will get some 40~50% boost over single card most of the time , nd will need better cooling, PSU nd an SLI mobo.

MetalheadGautham

30-01-2008, 01:03 AM

SLI is most of the time crappy nd will get some 40~50% boost over single card most of the time , nd will need better cooling, PSU nd an SLI mobo.
Yup. Was wondering about the fact that normal mobos with 16x PCIe slots are dirt cheap, while SLI boards cost a lot, way out of reach of budget systems.

Anyway, is there a room for a Celeron vs Sempron shootout here ? Use them and get a mobo+graphics(onboard acceptable)+ram(512 ddr2 min)+sound(onboard acceptable) combo thats as low as possible. Linux compatability prefered.
Also, a general Celeron vs Sempron processor only shootout will be good.

dOm1naTOr

30-01-2008, 01:10 AM

No need for celerons, The Athlon 64 3200+AM2 is for 1.4k nd i think no celerons wud touch that in vfm nd celerons are worse than even semprons in same price tags.

Choto Cheeta

30-01-2008, 01:10 AM

Anyway, is there a room for a Celeron vs Sempron shootout here ?

last Cel D processor i bought was 2.5 Ghz and too hot too noisy :pin fact Celeron Mobile processors are quite good :lol:

Maverick340

30-01-2008, 01:12 AM

On the ubuntuforums.org users have no complaints withthe Asus M2A-VM board , so i guess that off. Linux has been unfriendly towards ATi but i will be taking a Geforce 8600GT , so np for me. So guys is the config good then ?
Just finalise the proccy if so so i can go ahead and buy ..
once again to review ,

Asus M2A-VM
2 x 1 Trancend 800mhz DDR2 SDRAM
Geforce 8600GT 256MB

Proccy, AMD 64 X2 4400+ ( as of now) but if there is any ohter better one i can fit in my 12-13k budget , please do tell me

MetalheadGautham

30-01-2008, 01:13 AM

last Cel D processor i bought was 2.5 Ghz and too hot too noisy
Was it that 2.53 GHz ~1.6K model ? I used it in a local internet cafe here, and it was fine for Firefox.:lol:
in fact Celeron Mobile processors are quite good :lol:
This is Compaq Presario 702 and all other new sub 25K books and UMPC craze that makes you say that:p

j1n M@tt

30-01-2008, 01:15 AM

@Mavrick

12-13k budget for proc alone??

MetalheadGautham

30-01-2008, 01:17 AM

@Mavrick

12-13k budget for proc alone??
Wow! Id true, he can go for a Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 Processor or even an AMD Optron :lol:

Maverick340

30-01-2008, 01:18 AM

Gosh no !! For the entire thing guys !
Asus M2a-vm : 3400
RAM : 2200
Gfx : Rs. 5,800

Choto Cheeta

30-01-2008, 01:19 AM

Was it that 2.53 GHz ~1.6K model ? I used it in a local internet cafe here, and it was fine for Firefox.

yes it is the fan seems to come from a appache helicopter :lol:

This is Compaq Presario 702 and all other new sub 25K books and UMPC craze that makes you say that

not just 702TU i have used other celeron models from HCL and LG and all those are pretty decent performer :)

MetalheadGautham

30-01-2008, 01:21 AM

Gosh no !! For the entire thing guys !
Entire what? Mobo + Proccy + RAM + GPU ?

yes it is the fan seems to come from a appache helicopter :lol:

not just 702TU i have used other celeron models from HCL and LG and all those are pretty decent performer :)
I have seen similar fans. Ask me. I run a P4 2.66 GHz.:lol:
But the one in that cafe wasn't so loud. :?
And what about Sempron Mobile & Athlon Mobile(mono core) ?

j1n M@tt

30-01-2008, 01:23 AM

@Mavrick

u can go for X2 4400+ or 4800+

Maverick340

30-01-2008, 01:26 AM

Entire what? Mobo + Proccy + RAM + GPU ?

Hey , please do read my above posts ..
Yea entire refrred to the Proccy, mobo, ram and gfx card
All of them minus the proccy comes to 11000 rs. So I can extend the budget to 15K and push in an AMD X2 4400+. But i am confused , 4400+ or 4800+
Which one ?

j1n M@tt

30-01-2008, 01:30 AM

^^X2 4400+ :3.7k
X2 4800+ :4.3k

Maverick340

30-01-2008, 01:31 AM

Is the 4800+ noticeably betr ? Otherwise 4400+ looks good.

MetalheadGautham

30-01-2008, 01:33 AM

Hey , please do read my above posts ..
Yea entire refrred to the Proccy, mobo, ram and gfx card
All of them minus the proccy comes to 11000 rs. So I can extend the budget to 15K and push in an AMD X2 4400+. But i am confused , 4400+ or 4800+
Which one ?
AMD Athlon 64 X2 BE-2350
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+
AMD Athlon64 X2 4000+
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+

all above are worth concidering, but I recomend the last, combined with better graphics, as its the cheapest(the price drop compared to the rest is atleast 1000 rupees.

j1n M@tt

30-01-2008, 01:33 AM

@Maverick

ya 4800+ is better..........if u r so tight on budget stick with 4400+, it will do the job :)

MetalheadGautham

30-01-2008, 01:34 AM

Is the 4800+ noticeably betr ? Otherwise 4400+ looks good.
not that much. just a few decimals of GHz in clockspeed. thats all.

Choto Cheeta

30-01-2008, 01:34 AM

personal though after using those 3 :p I mean 4200 and 4400 and 4800...

iether buy 4200 or 4800 :lol: all these AMD X2 do follow their AMD golden rule of OC... so a 4200 is best value for money :D where same with 4800 too...

So get 4200 or 4800 :D

j1n M@tt

30-01-2008, 01:35 AM

@Metalhead

wat r u leading him to??......I don't get u??http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/45.gif

all above are worth concidering, but I recomend the last, combined with better graphics, as its the cheapest(the price drop compared to the rest is atleast 1000 rupees.

Maverick340

30-01-2008, 01:36 AM

AMD Athlon 64 X2 BE-2350
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+
AMD Athlon64 X2 4000+
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+

all above are worth concidering, but I recomend the last, combined with better graphics, as its the cheapest(the price drop compared to the rest is atleast 1000 rupees.
I do need a fast(relatively) proccy since my work is not gaming but 3D animation. Will 4400+ do the job in this case ?
Gfx card , I think we are settled on the Geforce 8600GT 256MB .. are we ? I cant afford a better one and this one is quite a steal

j1n M@tt

30-01-2008, 01:40 AM

^^I personally perfer 4400+

Maverick340

30-01-2008, 01:41 AM

Ya we agree there. Choto, 4800+ is 4000 rs. few hundred rs more than 4400+
Since you say its better, I think ill go for the 4800+ instead of 4400+

MetalheadGautham

30-01-2008, 01:42 AM

yup, I agree with Choto Cheeta. 4200+ is a really really good buy, because its quite cheap compared to the others, still has only a small performance drop. And yes, you might want to concider the Radeon Direct X 10.1 Cards too.

If you use Maya in Linux, forget ATi and go with nVidia :(

If you have a connection in the US, try getting the 5000+ Black Edition for insane performance for money.

j1n M@tt

30-01-2008, 01:45 AM

@Maverick

ya, if I were in ur shoes I wud hav done the same.......make up ma budget and will get 4800+

Maverick340

30-01-2008, 01:46 AM

Heh , no US connetions .. :)
Final List,

AMD 4800+ or 4200+ (depends if i can shell out extra money)
Asus M2A-VM (sure about this ? )
Gefroce 8600Gt 256 mb ( i am pretty sure)
2 x 1Gb Trancend DDR2 800mhz SDRAM ( any other ? )

j1n M@tt

30-01-2008, 01:49 AM

^^ try M2N-VM DVI if u r going for nVidia GPU

Maverick340

30-01-2008, 01:54 AM

Thats the one with the nVIDIA 6100 chipset.
Heard that the AMD 690G chipset is better ?

MetalheadGautham

30-01-2008, 01:55 AM

Heh , no US connetions .. :)
Final List,
Too Bad.
Anyway, @ Choto:

I realised that the Black Edition Processors are Brisbane Cores with unlocked multipliyers.
Is it possible to do a similar thing with that AMD Athlon 64 X2 BE-2350 I was talking about earlier ? Its brisbane, and all I need to do is to unlock the multiplier :lol:

If its possible, I suggest maverick to try that. Its low power(65W instead of 90W). So it has a high OC potential(without cooling). Meaning that you get a better performance than a 4800+. At lower price.

Maverick340

30-01-2008, 01:57 AM

Too Bad.
Anyway, @ Choto:

I realised that the Black Edition Processors are Brisbane Cores with unlocked multipliyers.
Is it possible to do a similar thing with that AMD Athlon 64 X2 BE-2350 I was talking about earlier ? Its brisbane, and all I need to do is to unlock the multiplier :lol:

If its possible, I suggest maverick to try that. Its low power(65W instead of 90W). So it has a high OC potential(without cooling). Meaning that you get a better performance than a 4800+. At lower price.
Interesting ..
What say Choto ?
And what about the two chipsets, which is better - AMD 690G or nVIDIA 6100 ?

j1n M@tt

30-01-2008, 01:59 AM

@Maverick

nope, its 7050PV IGP with nForce 630a chipset......

Almost all budget AMD mobos hav the same performance......

If u think dat way,is nForce570 ultra chipset of M2N-E bad??!!!!!

Maverick340

30-01-2008, 02:02 AM

There is a Asus M2N-VM DH on Asus' website. Is that the one you are talking about ?

AMD Socket AM2
NVIDIA GeForce 6100 / nForce 430
Dual DDR2 800/667/533
1 x PCI Express x16 + 1 x PCI Express x1 + 2 x PCI
Dual VGA: DVI-D and D-Sub
8-channel HD Audio
2 x 1394a ports

j1n M@tt

30-01-2008, 02:03 AM

No no....am not talking abt M2n-vm dh I said M2N-VM DVI

+with nVidia 7050 u r not going to hav any Linux driver issues.

Maverick340

30-01-2008, 02:11 AM

Ah my bad , saw the wrong one .. all these model no are getting to me :p
So , yea the M2N-VM DVI is good. If both M2A-VM and M2N-VM DVI have same performance then I ll go for the M2N-Vm DVi since i WILL use Linux sometime. I just hope availability is not a prob ..

Edit : Ah .. i think we can all snooze now .. its late. Will check this thread tomo all day ;)

Choto Cheeta

30-01-2008, 02:25 AM

If its possible, I suggest maverick to try that. Its low power(65W instead of 90W). So it has a high OC potential(without cooling). Meaning that you get a better performance than a 4800+. At lower price.

all new 65nm X2 comes with 65w TDP :p the BE Range is at 45w TDP :lol: http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_13041%5E13076,00.html so even if u try to get 90w, u may end up without a X2 :lol:

BE range is not that populer in India :( so would be hard to find...

Interesting ..
What say Choto ?
And what about the two chipsets, which is better - AMD 690G or nVIDIA 6100 ?

as you are getting a grfx card, get your self the M2A-VM :p as of performence they (M2NPV VM and M2A-VM) are neck and neck... but M2A-Vm is cheaper than the nivida one so get that one :)

just abother tip... for value rams there really are not performance differnce on 667 vs 800 MHz RAM :p and the 2 GB modules are quite cheap (kingsnote 2 GB DDR-II 667 MHz) available at Rs. 1800/- + TAX :)

as your motherboard supports upto 8 GB get your self a single 2 GB module so that after 6 month when the RAM prices for 2 GB will be even lower, u may add another 2 GB stick to run dual channel :)

I realised that the Black Edition Processors are Brisbane Cores with unlocked multipliyers.
Is it possible to do a similar thing with that AMD Athlon 64 X2 BE-2350 I was talking about earlier ? Its brisbane, and all I need to do is to unlock the multiplier

nah... AMD only allow that in their black edition :(

MetalheadGautham

30-01-2008, 02:49 AM

nah... AMD only allow that in their black edition :(
Those ******* ******** ****heads... Do you realise that by this allowing of OCing only in kale versions, they are shutting out a huge potential market thats waiting here for those processors, especially in budget concious countries like india ?

Whereas Intel is waaaay toooo cleverer than AMD.

Choto Cheeta

30-01-2008, 03:22 AM

Do you realise that by this allowing of OCing only in kale versions

I am sorry may be i made a mistake to make you understand :lol: all AMD X2 can be over clocked but there is a theoritical limit for them :lol: where as the Black Edition comes with no limit... means if you have the proper tools to keep the heat under control u can go on and on and on :lol:

MetalheadGautham

30-01-2008, 03:28 AM

I am sorry may be i made a mistake to make you understand :lol: all AMD X2 can be over clocked but there is a theoritical limit for them :lol: where as the Black Edition comes with no limit... means if you have the proper tools to keep the heat under control u can go on and on and on :lol:
I know it, thankyou.:lol: But 5000+ Black can do 3.3 GHz easily(and still have no cooling or stability problems), but 500+ normal can only go till 3.10. See the difference ?

Harvik780

30-01-2008, 06:23 AM

@Harvik780 (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=11637)
u got another 8800!!! wow gr8 dude...and have u sold those 2*8600GT?
I haven't yet sold my 8600GT SLI.If i get my new phone's sim available and activated today i'll post a full comparison review with benefits and cons.

woah :D coooooool some screenshots pictures and a review please :D
I also bought a camera phone but i'll be getting the sim today at 11:00am.

he must be one big graphic card freak.
Besides, does one XFX 8800GT 512mb GDDR3 out perform two XFX 8600GT 512(also reply for 256)mb GDDR3 in a computer ?(the later is in SLi, and the former is a single card).

Is doing what I said (replacing 8800gt with two 8600gt) a good VFMising PC technique ?

A single 8800GT will surprise you at some points while benching.It will totally destroy the previously affordable G80 core and even then it'll be cheaper,more affordable.A single 8800GT card will crunch the back out of any 8600GT SLI and my comparison review will prove it.
Since i have myself used SLI my opinion is that you should better buy a single highest end card rather than setting up SLI.I will post the reasons in my review.

Pathik

30-01-2008, 08:18 AM

Damn good man.. Btw y didnt u wait 4 the g96/g100 gpus to release. Congrats tho.

Maverick340

30-01-2008, 10:32 AM

Hmm , alright.
Summing up :

Asus M2A-VM
AMD 4800+
GEforce 8600GT 256M
1 x 2 GB Trancend or Kigston 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM

If this is finalised , I can wait for a few more inputs from members and go buy it :)

Choto Cheeta

30-01-2008, 11:22 AM

@Harvik780

let me know if u are selling any of ur 8600 :lol:

BULLZI

30-01-2008, 11:32 AM

@choto

I have been delaying my purchase for a while as some of the new products are being launched. I dont want to upgrade my system for at least next 3 yrs. Hence,I need a decent upgrade.

Purpose of the machine : Pure gaming / Occassional net surfing & movies.
Budget : 60 K.
Components wanted : CPU + Mobo + Gfx Card + A good UPS(If possible)

I got good cabby, CPU cooler and Corsair 620 watt psu. They will suffice for me.
I hv a 19 inch LCD from Viewsonic.

Please suggest the best.

Thanks.

sagargv

30-01-2008, 11:37 AM

better wait for a bit more till the wolfsdale's come to the market

BULLZI

30-01-2008, 11:39 AM

I also need some suggestions. I found a deal of C2D 8400 for 9K.
Is it worth buying?
I need dual grfx card set up. Which is better - SLI or Crossfire?
There is a chance of getting dual 3870s for abt 20-22K.
Please reply soon.

sagargv

30-01-2008, 11:59 AM

yep , its a great deal . e8400 is better than e6850 ...

AFAIK x-fire performs little better than SLI .but its a hard task to find ati cards.and if u find them they will be overpriced.so x fire wouldnt be my choice . its better to get a 3870x2 .

BTW , why do u want multi gpu solutions . its not vfm .

i think you should get a single 8800GT 512mb . dont spend the whole 60k , keep a part of it and buy a newer and better card after 6-8 months.

Choto Cheeta

30-01-2008, 12:02 PM

@BULLZI

what about your present grfx card :lol: sell that to me at 3k :lol: will u ??

I also need some suggestions. I found a deal of C2D 8400 for 9K.
Is it worth buying?

wait wait another 2 month i would say... 9k sound good deal right now, but if the Q9450 comes at 12k then again that 9k deal for E8400 wont sound that sweet :(

I need dual grfx card set up. Which is better - SLI or Crossfire?

once again wait... Dual SLi or Three way SLi or crossfire, we still need another 2 or 3 month to have a good picture... ATi RD3870 is hell of a card 2 times the powerful than any present 8800 :lol: how ever they lack the support for game developers to make the games use the power of the ATi engine :(

so please wait another 2 month may be :D

BULLZI

30-01-2008, 12:14 PM

@BULLZI

what about your present grfx card :lol: sell that to me at 3k :lol: will u ??

wait wait another 2 month i would say... 9k sound good deal right now, but if the Q9450 comes at 12k then again that 9k deal for E8400 wont sound that sweet :(

once again wait... Dual SLi or Three way SLi or crossfire, we still need another 2 or 3 month to have a good picture... ATi RD3870 is hell of a card 2 times the powerful than any present 8800 :lol: how ever they lack the support for game developers to make the games use the power of the ATi engine :(

so please wait another 2 month may be :D

I cant sell my present card to u at 3K. After all I need gfx card as I dont hv onboard solution.
Besides, getting 7 K for that :P.
Anyway, another 2 months is a long time. Cant that be made a bit faster?

Choto Cheeta

30-01-2008, 12:20 PM

I cant sell my present card to u at 3K.

just a joke :p to make u understand u aready have a gr8 system running :lol:

After all I need gfx card as I dont hv onboard solution.
Besides, getting 7 K for that :P.
Anyway, another 2 months is a long time. Cant that be made a bit faster?

if u want u may buy today :p as u already have the money and vendors are there to sell :p but as u asked for a suggestion thats why said wait for 60days :lol:

Maverick340

30-01-2008, 12:23 PM

Hey Choto , if you can final my stuff I can prolly go buy it today.

Choto Cheeta

30-01-2008, 12:29 PM

u did finalized your self I guess ?? and as its fine to my eyes so i didnt comment :D

Asus M2A-VM
AMD 4800+
GEforce 8600GT 256M
1 x 2 GB Trancend or Kigston 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM

just few thoughts, if u dont have a certain product in market, or if u dont like the price, then just dont buy today :) wait, just few days wait will give u the deal :D

as said by many try for this model, PV-T84J-UDF3 of XFX 8600 :D

Maverick340

30-01-2008, 12:34 PM

yea sure .. but i called and confirmed, the products are available ;)
Oh i did forget I want a photo printer too. Please do suggest me a good model. Budget ~5k.

BULLZI

30-01-2008, 12:39 PM

Thanks choto for ur valuable suggestions.
Will wait for another 2 months definitely :).
Forget about the CPU but do suggest me a good ups. My present one cant give even 5 mins backup :(.

dOm1naTOr

30-01-2008, 12:41 PM

@Maverick340 (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=684)
get M2N VM DVI for 200 bucks more, as its got nvidia chipset[630a] as the card u are getting is 8600GT. I wud prefer M2A VM if only u go for an ATI card.
And ntune utility is cool nd there is no similar for ATI.

juggler

30-01-2008, 12:41 PM

BULLZI

30-01-2008, 12:43 PM

Where did u find this processor from ??

erodov forums.

Maverick340

30-01-2008, 01:08 PM

j1n M@tt

30-01-2008, 05:28 PM

@Maverick

so finally decided for M2N-VM DVI......!!!???........ic u can believe only when senior members says it http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/105.gif

@Maverick340 (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=684)
get M2N VM DVI for 200 bucks more, as its got nvidia chipset[630a] as the card u are getting is 8600GT. I wud prefer M2A VM if only u go for an ATI card.
And ntune utility is cool nd there is no similar for ATI.

!!??http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/35.gif

Maverick340

30-01-2008, 06:36 PM

The only reason i am going for M2N-VM DVI is because Linux is more NviDiA Friendly ..

rhitwick

30-01-2008, 07:59 PM

Hi frnds,
I've decided upon this configuration, please review it and give ur precious feedback:-
Core2Duo@2.66-E6550/E6750 (which one?)
Asus P5KVM
Transcend 1GB 800 MHz x 2
Seagate SATA2 250GB
Sony DVD Writer and LiteOn DVD ROM
ViewSonic 19" widescreen(VA 1912W)
SMPS-CooleerMaster 500watt/380 watt(which one?)
Keyboard:TVS gold
Mouse:Optical or Laser? and which Company?
Creative inspire 5.1
UPS: APC@650 VA
Cabinet within 1200/-
Graphix card within 15k to 16k

My budjet is 60k, can go to 65k.
Rivise the config and try to make it within 60k.

And if possoble please suggest me some good shop in Thane(Mumbai)
Thanx.

Harvik780

30-01-2008, 08:15 PM

Choto....I have posted the 8800GT comparison in the gamerz section.I can't give the link because since the DNS servers are down and i am using a proxy and unable to resolve the address.Couldn't send you a pm.
Even opendns is not working.

Choto Cheeta

30-01-2008, 09:07 PM

@Choto , which photo printer should I buy ? (under 5k )

professional need or domestic need ??

Forget about the CPU but do suggest me a good ups. My present one cant give even 5 mins backup

APC 800 VA is there :p what is your present one ?? APC 650 VA gives me 10 to 12 mins at full load with OC :lol: so the 800 VA should offer more :p

but me too is looking for a pro solution for our cafes... problem is better the UPS is, the more problem it has on working at low voltage for example the Generator power or from a Home Inverter !!!!

I see microtek / proview is not that good in terms of performace with APC but they have a good feature I see as compatibility with lower and unstable voltage ...

APC never switch from Battery to those frequency :( where as Proview / Microteck or these local brands does !!!

Does it harm the system ??

Nah... all those are running at Cafe... no issue at all :)

@Harvik780

searching :D

@rhitwick

Check out the 1st page for 65k media center PC config :D

Sunny1211993

30-01-2008, 10:52 PM

j1n M@tt

30-01-2008, 11:19 PM

For the first PC:

XFX 630i Ultra :3.7k
Intel C2D E6550 :7k
Trancend 2GB DDR2 800 Mhz :2k
seagate 250 GB SATA II :2.7k
Lite on 20x DVD RW :1.3k
Logitech wireless KB mouse combo :1.2K

Any local cabby with 450 W PSU <- u won't get any local cab with 450W.
So go for Zebronics Antibiotic with 450W PSU :2.2k

creative 2.1 speakers > SPS 2.1 :1.1k
>Inspire 2.1 :1.9k
Viewsonic 17" TFT <- Its better taking Viewsonic 19" TFT VA1930WM(widescreen) for 9.8k instead of taking 17" TFT at 8.3k

Sunny1211993

30-01-2008, 11:21 PM

^^
thnx a lot but prices for the second pc are more important

j1n M@tt

30-01-2008, 11:51 PM

Second PC is a difficult task......its a beast http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/39.gif

AMD Phenom 9700 or better : u won't get 9700 in India easily :(....ma dealer can give upto only Phenom 9500@2.2GHz for 11k.
ASUS M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi-AP or M3A32-MVP Deluxe : these products(AM2+ and 770 chipset) will only come to Indian markets only after a few week.:( The only mobos with AM2+ currently available are M2N-VM DVI/HDMI(630a chipset).
ATi 3870 X2(as soon as it comes to India) :v cannot predict d prices of ATi cards when they come to India.:mad:
Trancend or corsair 2*2 GB DDR2 800 Mhz : Corsair TWIN2X4096-6400C5DHX:8.1K
seagate 500 GB SATA II : 5.6K
Corsair TX720 : this too not available in India market at present
Any good Coolermaster cabby : go to www.zebronics.com and select ur on "Any good Coolermaster cabby" .:p
creative 5.1 speakers : Inspire T6060 5.1 :4k
any TFT monitor with extreme HD support : It depend upon ur extent of budget :rolleyes:......there r TFTs from 12k and upwards.....look out models from Viewsonic,AOC,Samsung and LG.
Logitech MX518 mouse : 2.3k
Logitech G15 KB : 3.6k

juggler

31-01-2008, 11:04 AM

Maybe slightly off topic
xbit labs has done a round up of current dual dore processors and have arrived at following conclusion
"So, the results of our today’s dual-core processor shoot-out indicate clearly that Intel processors win the “Best Buy” title in every single price segment. And it will remain this way until AMD reduces the prices on its Athlon 64 X2, which keep rapidly losing their appeal. The situation may also change if they launch revised triple-core and dual-core processors on Phenom-like architecture, which have a chance of become more competitive against Core 2 Duo. However, it will hardly happen any time soon."

Source: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/dualcore-shootout.html

Now intel may become the prefferd choce for budget PC

Choto Cheeta

31-01-2008, 12:23 PM

juggler

31-01-2008, 12:34 PM

@juggler

The Dual Core E2140 is there since 8 months now :lol: it is not an issue with processor with Intel :p how ever compare to M2N-MX SE @ Rs. 2450/- there is none such Intel compatible board :(

there is just one 1 suggestable board which is XFX 630i 7150 @ Rs. 3450/- + TAX, then again its crippled but its single channel RAM layout :(

ya somehow there r better boards available for AMD

the only good thing about the review from xbits lab that they have shown very nice graphs in form of price vs performance which makes the task of choosing a processor easier :)

MetalheadGautham

31-01-2008, 01:02 PM

I don't think its advisable to go for Phenom too soon. AMD is soon going to release AM3, their new socket architecture. Unlike Intel, AMD keeps their socket architecture for a loooong time, and makes sure that even new processors can fit into the Older motherboards(and their socket now is AM2).

Wait till Barcelona hits the shelves. Its a triple/quad core CPU for the AM3 socket.

and see this link:
http://priceguru.in/archives/monthly-guides/1158

For a good multimedia PC, you might want to try the rather cheap(but effective) Microsoft Digital Media Pro Wired USB/PS2 @ 1.2k.

http://priceguru.in/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/microsoft-digital-media-pro.jpg

vps85

31-01-2008, 01:23 PM

Mobo ---- Asus P5E-VM HDMI
Processor ---- Intel E4500
RAM ---- 2 GB Kingston DDR2 @667mhz
HDD ---- Seagate 250GB @ 7200rpm @16mb Buffer

Cab ---- Suggest me a cabinet with SMPS under 2K

Let me know if this config is good and let me know the price for this. Reg mobo suggest me a Mobo which has G35 chipset. I dont need SLI

j1n M@tt

31-01-2008, 01:47 PM

@Metalhead

AM3 will be only released at the end of 2008.........it will only happen after the downfall of AMD's AM2+ socket.:-D

And dude, who told u AMD keeps their socket for so long ??:rolleyes: Its Intel now keeping their 775LGA socket for a long time than AMD, they will change this socket only when the 32nm procs comes to market.

Think ur self...hw many of our friends were left behind by AMD when they shifted to AM2 from 939 ??http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/110.gif.....when I first tried to get X2 3800+ 939 it ws 24K, and after 9 months they brought out AM2 X2 3800+ for just around 4.5k!!!!........how can I forgive them???:mad: And dOm1naTOr brought X2 4200+ 939 for 12k just 2 months before AM2 ws released ...........AMD picked our pocket first and now selling AM2 at cheap rates, datz not a big deal.......:cool:

s18000rpm

31-01-2008, 02:32 PM

which 350/500 GB HDD to buy?

-Hitachi
or
-Western Digital

???

currently, i've 80GB Hitachi deskstar , came with HP Pavilion Desktop in Nov. 2005, really happy with its performance, till date no bad-sectors, data error, noise, slow down...even after going thru 1000's of power cut [when i didnt have UPS].

what would be the cost?

around $100 is fine:))
-------------------------

right now i have Corsair 1GB RAM (512x2),
[ TWIN2X1024A-6400 ]

www.corsair.com/products/xms2.aspx

i want to upgrade the RAM, 2 RAM slots are free, so when i get 2GB RAM (1x2), will i get the advantage of dual channel? as i've one dual channel running with 512x2 RAMs & other with 1GBx2.

www.corsair.com/_datasheets/TWIN2X2048-6400.pdf

j1n M@tt

31-01-2008, 06:38 PM

Seagate 320GB(16MB buffer) : 3.6k
WD 320GB : 3.4k
Hitachi 320GB : 3.4

I perfer WD or Hitachi, they perform well and hav less cost. Seagate HDDs are having some problems nowadays, but don't know abt 320GB 16MB buffer PR HDD. Havn't sold out any PR models from Seagate lately....
_______________

I v hav tested with RAMs as u hav mentioned above.....but am not remembering d result well......I think it works in d following way;

2*512MB will act as a first pair of dual channel modules and 2*1GB modules will act as d 2nd pair of dual channel modules; and as a whole, it will act as two modules of 1GB(2*512) and 2GB(2*1GB) running in single channel. It will not be running as 2 pairs of dual channel.

s18000rpm

31-01-2008, 07:47 PM

^j1n M@tt, thanks.

btw, which series of m/b are best?

Intel's x48 / Nvidia... ???

Sunny1211993

31-01-2008, 08:35 PM

^^
x48 ones have not yet come 2 india.
So,better go for a 750 or 780i mobo if it has come 2 india.

dOm1naTOr

31-01-2008, 09:39 PM

i want to upgrade the RAM, 2 RAM slots are free, so when i get 2GB RAM (1x2), will i get the advantage of dual channel? as i've one dual channel running with 512x2 RAMs & other with 1GBx2.

It will surelly work. But both the 512s shud have same frequency nd models. And both the 1Gs also. But it wont affect of the 512 nd 1G has different frequency. The resultant will be the lowest of both pairs.
Nd use cpuz to check if they are workin in dual channel mode.:p

And bout the socket thingy, what gud is it with sticking to same socket nd proccys with same socket cant be used in it?
I mean even 915 boards have LGA 775 but it cant handle C2Ds, c2Qs or even dual cores like E 2140? People will easily get mistaken nd will easily land up in trouble who dun have proper knowledge[or dun care bout knowing].

s18000rpm

31-01-2008, 09:45 PM

ya, the 512's are matched pair & the new 2GB (which i'm getting), is also matched pair with same freq./timing... model.

j1n M@tt

31-01-2008, 11:14 PM

And bout the socket thingy, what gud is it with sticking to same socket nd proccys with same socket cant be used in it?
I mean even 915 boards have LGA 775 but it cant handle C2Ds, c2Qs or even dual cores like E 2140? People will easily get mistaken nd will easily land up in trouble who dun have proper knowledge[or dun care bout knowing].

@domi

ya its ture ma buddy dat 915 cannot even handle E2140, but ma old P4 630 can go with the latest x48 chipset mobos.........and I can upgrade ma proc later when ever I want. wat abt it?????

ArZuNeOs

01-02-2008, 06:47 AM

Quickie

AS-5 or MX-2....Tell me what to buy ...soon

@ Chota....Clear ur inbox boss

Maverick340

01-02-2008, 10:30 AM

professional need or domestic need ??

Domestic need .

juggler

01-02-2008, 10:42 AM

Intel hit by CPU shortages leading price surge of 20% in prices of E8400

AHhhhhh!!!!!!!

http://www.legionhardware.com/news.php?id=5678

MetalheadGautham

01-02-2008, 04:25 PM

Guyz,im going to buy 2 PC's next month.
here are the configs.The reason y i am telling is to know the prices.
First PC-
XFX 630i Ultra
Intel C2D E6550
Trancend 2GB DDR2 800 Mhz
seagate 250 GB SATA II
Lite on 20x DVD RW
Any local cabby with 450 W PSU
logitech wireless KB mouse combo
creative 2.1 speakers
Viewsonic 17" TFT
some APC UPS under 2 k
Total should be under 30 K :D:D

Second one-The Beast
AMD Phenom 9700 or better
ASUS M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi-AP or M3A32-MVP Deluxe
ATi 3870 X2(as soon as it comes to India)
Trancend or corsair 2*2 GB DDR2 800 Mhz
seagate 500 GB SATA II
Corsair TX720
Any good Coolermaster cabby
creative 5.1 speakers
any TFT monitor with extreme HD support(but no CRT)
logitech MX518 mouse
Logitech G15 KB
any APC UPS with 10-20 mins backup
lite on 20x DVD RW

I know the prices of some of these but not of all of em.
So,please someone quote the exact prices of these pheripherals and also sugg me any better ones.Please
Thank You :D:D
Looking at your siggy, I have this question: you already have a beast, so why another ?

And please tell the perpose of the two systems. I recomend an Uber Beast(add more power to your beast config) and a basic flyboy. I suggest you go for an AMD x2 processor for the flyboy, preferably the brisbane core. Go for a basic Direct X 10.1 graphic card from ATi or nVidia.

The Uber Beast can wait till Next year unless you are in urgent need of a system, because processors are undergoing a major revision from all companies this year.

harryneopotter

01-02-2008, 05:07 PM

Looking at your siggy, I have this question: you already have a beast, so why another ?

And please tell the perpose of the two systems. I recomend an Uber Beast(add more power to your beast config) and a basic flyboy. I suggest you go for an AMD x2 processor for the flyboy, preferably the brisbane core. Go for a basic Direct X 10.1 graphic card from ATi or nVidia.

The Uber Beast can wait till Next year unless you are in urgent need of a system, because processors are undergoing a major revision from all companies this year.

Actually the beast in his siggy belongs to him, and the other BEAST he is asking for is for his younger bro. And the purpose of the two beasts is GAMING and GAMING and GAMING. hope u got answer of ur ques .....

MetalheadGautham

01-02-2008, 05:35 PM

Actually the beast in his siggy belongs to him, and the other BEAST he is asking for is for his younger bro. And the purpose of the two beasts is GAMING and GAMING and GAMING. hope u got answer of ur ques .....
wow! beast on beast gaming! now THATS what I call awssome!
then why don't you wait for a while for the 45 nm processors ? Why do you want to pick up Core2 in its last few months, or AM2 in its last few months ?
My friend has a rig, that was once the best available(at the time he bought it).
It was a rig with the Pentium D 840 Extreme Edition.
It was supposed to crunch all games down at that time. But he got it when core2 was just about to be launched. Now he deeply regrets his purchase, as Core2 has lived for a long time successfully after that.

And what about the flyboy ? The other system planned to buy ? Is it for himself or somebody else ?

Sunny1211993

01-02-2008, 05:49 PM

^^
what flyboy??that 30k rig??
thats for a cousin:D

janitha

01-02-2008, 06:26 PM

wow! beast on beast gaming! now THATS what I call awssome!
then why don't you wait for a while for the 45 nm processors ? Why do you want to pick up Core2 in its last few months, or AM2 in its last few months ?
My friend has a rig, that was once the best available(at the time he bought it).
It was a rig with the Pentium D 840 Extreme Edition.
It was supposed to crunch all games down at that time. But he got it when core2 was just about to be launched. Now he deeply regrets his purchase, as Core2 has lived for a long time successfully after that.

And what about the flyboy ? The other system planned to buy ? Is it for himself or somebody else ?

45 nm is already available even here in India. E8400 sells for about 9.5K or even less.

Sunny1211993

01-02-2008, 07:48 PM

^^
ok guyz,quick tell me which proccy to get??
phenom 9700 or +,Q6600,E8400 or any penryn quad core.
please sugg any penryn Qcore under 15k.plzzzzzzz

Pathik

01-02-2008, 08:08 PM

There is no Penryn Quad under 15k currently.

Sunny1211993

01-02-2008, 08:15 PM

^^
then???
whats the basic penryn quad??

Choto Cheeta

01-02-2008, 10:00 PM

@Sunny1211993

still i guess there another good 3 or 4 month time when in India we may see the SpiderPlatform as in MainStream...

the AMD Phenom Quad Core with present 690G is certainly would be waste of the money :( but yes, once u couple this up with SpiderPlatfom (AMD 790 chipset + AMD Phenom + RD3870 Crossfire) then its gives a real good fight to Intel Core 2 Quad + Any Chiptset + Nvidia SLi) then again when the testing was done we had only the 65nm Core 2 Extreme or Quad, but now when 45nm is here i really doubt that whether SpiderPlatform would be able to deliver or not :(

Sunny1211993

01-02-2008, 10:01 PM

^^
so,should i get E8400 or E8500???
I need the best gaming solution in 70-80 K.

s18000rpm

01-02-2008, 10:08 PM

does the Intel's X48 support both DDr2 & DDR3 on same m/b?

MSI X48 Platinum does.

- Supports dual channel, DDR3 800/1066/1333/1600, DDR2 667/800.

http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&prod_no=1393&maincat_no=1

Choto Cheeta

01-02-2008, 10:23 PM

@s18000rpm

The idea was not to support DDR-II as to push DDR-III in... however if MSI comes up with such option, I dont think ASUS / Gigabyte would stay behind, then again at-present there are no other company is coming up with x48 :(

All Intel Motherboard (http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboard/index.htm?iid=mbd_main+all)

All ASUS Motherboard supporting LGA 775 (http://in.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11)

so, at present there is no x48 from Intel or ASUS i guess :(

MetalheadGautham

01-02-2008, 11:27 PM

OK guys, for an update of my brains, please tell me the cheapest motherboard for intel and AMD processors that support DDR2(if they don't, state it explictly). Also tell me the most value for money(cost vs performance) motherboards for Intel and AMD processors.

Choto Cheeta

01-02-2008, 11:29 PM

For Intel Lowest but what makes sense is XFX 630i 7150 + E2140 and for AMD X2 4000 + ASUS M2N-MX SE / MSI K9AGM2

both supports DDR-II how ever Intel mobo 630i doesnt have Dual Channel support :(

Sunny1211993

01-02-2008, 11:33 PM

XFX 630i 7150 + E2140 would be better IMO
absence of dual channel wont hurt if u plan to buy a 2GB stick

MetalheadGautham

01-02-2008, 11:36 PM

For Intel Lowest but what makes sense is XFX 630i 7150 + E2140 and for AMD X2 4000 + ASUS M2N-MX SE / MSI K9AGM2

both supports DDR-II how ever Intel mobo 630i doesnt have Dual Channel support :(
I meant without processors. The cheapest mobos. With cost if you can dig it up.

Choto Cheeta

01-02-2008, 11:37 PM

XFX 630i 7150 is Rs. 3450/- + 4 % VAT
ASUS M2N-MS SE / MSI K9AGM2 is Rs. 2450/- + 4 % VAT

:)

Sunny1211993

01-02-2008, 11:39 PM

@gautham yaar XFX 630i ultra is the best combo of performance and onboard gfx and that too at a reasonable price of 3.4K.You should not get any mobo inferior to this

MetalheadGautham

01-02-2008, 11:45 PM

and how good is nVidia 6100 Onboard Graphics ? Please give an nVidia card to compare to.

what about these ?(coppied em off a site)

ABit LG-95C Intel 945GC Chipset 1066 FSB 2350
ABit I-45CV Intel 945GC Chipset 1333 FSB 2400

Palit N73V MCP73V Chipset 1333 FSB 2650
ASUS
P5S - MX SE SIS 671FX & SIS 968 1066 FSB 2250 Link (http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1682&l1=3&l2=11&l3=502&l4=0) Asus
P5GC-MX
Intel® 945GC / ICH7 Chip 800 FSB
2500
Link (http://in.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=498&l4=0&model=1574&modelmenu=1) Asus
P5B-MX/Wi-Fi-AP
Intel® 946GZ+ICH7 Chip 1066 FSB
3150
BioStar 945G Chipset Intel CPU (Socket 775) 2500
Biostar GF7050V-M7 NVIDIA GeForce 7050 1333 FSB 3350 Link (http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/mb/content.php?S_ID=307)
Gigabyte
GA 945 GZM - S2
Intel® 945GZ Express Chip 1066 FSB
2975
How do the above Intel Mobos fare ?

Maverick340

02-02-2008, 10:28 PM

I finally bought

Asus M2N-VM DVI (i chose it over the HDMI / M2A becaus of NViDIA chipset and NViDIA is Linux friendly) : Rs 3200
AMD Athlon X2 4800+ : Rs 3900
MSI 8600Gt 512 Mb : Rs 5100
2 *1GB Kingston DDR2 DIMM : 1000x2 = Rs.2000
all pices as of Jan 31st 08, Nehru Place ,New Delhi

Very satisfied till now.. Will put up benchmark results soon
Just a quickie, M2N-VM DVI has only one IDE slot.. they all expect us to own STAT HDD by now :(

Also , need to buy a Photo printer for domestic use. Budget under 5-5.5 k

Choto Cheeta

02-02-2008, 10:37 PM

Also , need to buy a Photo printer for domestic use. Budget under 5-5.5 k

1st of all ask the local vendor :p how much he takes for re-filling :p these Inkjet and Deskjet printers are cheap but their original cartiges are really expensive as expensive as the printer it self :lol:

so things u need to find out from local dealer, which printer is best to use with amkate and such non branded cheap cartiges and which is easy to re-fill :D

j1n M@tt

03-02-2008, 12:53 AM

Just a quickie, M2N-VM DVI has only one IDE slot.. they all expect us to own STAT HDD by now :(

hey man , all new mobos hav only 1 IDE slot now........SATA is becoming d standard for secondary storage.

dOm1naTOr

03-02-2008, 01:09 AM

And there are lots of sata DVDRW also So i think one IDE is enuf. And all mobos now has atleast 4 sata connectors. And enthusiastic mobos have 6 or 8 sata ports.

hellgate

03-02-2008, 11:06 AM

which wud be the best combo among these:

Pentium Dual Core T2330 - 1.6GHz 1MB L2 533MHz fsb + X3100
Core Duo T2300E - 1.6GHz 667MHz fsb + GMA950
Turion X2 TL-58 - 1.9GHz 1600MHz HT 512kb + 512kb L2 + nVidia 7150M

none of these wud be used for gaming.only for watching movies,reading e-books,surfing , and bits of programming.
also how much of a performance gain shall i get with the following combo:
C2D T5450 + X3100.

i think the T2330 + X3100 sud suffice my needs.wudnt it?

MasterMinds

03-02-2008, 12:17 PM

if we use asus m2n mx board with amd x2 4000+ ang xfx 8600gt and 2gb of ram @667 mhz will any thing be at the bottleneck or its ok need sugestions

Pathik

03-02-2008, 12:45 PM

@mastermind nope. I dont think so..
@hellgate i wd hav gotten a tl58+7150m

MetalheadGautham

03-02-2008, 01:41 PM

if we use asus m2n mx board with amd x2 4000+ ang xfx 8600gt and 2gb of ram @667 mhz will any thing be at the bottleneck or its ok need sugestions
try making ram 800mhz if you can afford.
the system is perfectly balenced, but I would say go get a dx 10.1 AMD card if you game on windoz

Sunny1211993

03-02-2008, 05:02 PM

Any news on Phenom 9700,AMD 790 FX based mobo that i told abt earlier and 3870 X2 in India???

hellgate

03-02-2008, 06:47 PM

@hellgate i wd hav gotten a tl58+7150m

Bought the Comapq C739TU 2day.
got it 4 33k all incl 1GB ram (512 + 512).
got benches for both T2300 + GMA950 and T2330 + X3100 and the T2330 was a lot better than the T2300 even though it has a lower fsb.also the T2300 didnt hav x86-x64 instructions but the T2330 had.
as of now i'll be installing Vista Ultimate x64.
hope the lappy performs upto m expetations.

janitha

03-02-2008, 06:51 PM

Any news on Phenom 9700,AMD 790 FX based mobo that i told abt earlier and 3870 X2 in India???

X2 3870 is with theitwares for Rs.25900/-
http://www.theitwares.com/gfxcards/gfxcards.htm

mastermunj

03-02-2008, 07:40 PM

Guys,

any news about penryn quad core processors???

nvidia

03-02-2008, 07:55 PM

^^Quad core processors have been released long ago even in India and you can get one for less than 12k.
And penryn is also released AFAIK.

MetalheadGautham

04-02-2008, 12:18 AM

Guys,

any news about penryn quad core processors???
Penryn Core2 Quad Extreme is available for 50K.
Penryn Xeon Harpertown Quad Core has also just come out. Forgot price.
Penryn Dual Core E8400 Available for 8.5k.

j1n M@tt

04-02-2008, 12:23 AM

hey guys, plz mention d source. I couldn't find them with d RP dealer at ma place, or at IT Wares

Pathik

04-02-2008, 01:06 AM

@hellgate ye t2330+x3100 is obviously better than t2300 +gma950 as it is a santa rosa platformer.. But tl58+7150m wd hav been better IMO. If u wd hav gotten a t5450 then it wd hav been different.

hellgate

04-02-2008, 02:43 AM

^^^ didnt hav the money to go 4 T5450.it wud hav cost me bout 4-5k xtra.
also didnt buy the AMD cuz i just didnt feel like going in for a AMD based lappy.

MasterMinds

04-02-2008, 04:31 PM

and which sound card is the best buy under 2K for gaming 5.1

rollcage

04-02-2008, 04:41 PM

Tell me a motherboard + Processor I shall go for,
not hight end, but AMD X2 4000+ or Intel Equivalent will do. .
the motive is to save money & put 8600GT DDR3 latteron on this machine.
Are those onboard MB good enough or not, which one is more compatible for that card.

MetalheadGautham

04-02-2008, 04:46 PM

juggler

04-02-2008, 04:50 PM

maybe he typed 8600 gt as 6800gt by mistake

rollcage

04-02-2008, 05:02 PM

yes .. thats a typo .. sorry

I mean 8600GT DDR3, there is no 6800GT DDR3

juggler

04-02-2008, 07:06 PM

Tell me a motherboard + Processor I shall go for,
not hight end, but AMD X2 4000+ or Intel Equivalent will do. .
the motive is to save money & put 6800GT DDR3 latteron on this machine.
Are those onboard MB good enough or not, which one is more compatible for that card.

a amd processor 4000+ to 4800+ on Asus m2a Vm motherboard would be a good deal. The on board video is ok for light gaming. if u want to run linux use then go for m2n pv

axxo

04-02-2008, 07:16 PM

j1n M@tt

04-02-2008, 07:40 PM

a amd processor 4000+ to 4800+ on Asus m2a Vm motherboard would be a good deal. The on board video is ok for light gaming. if u want to run linux use then go for m2n pv

new M2N-VM DVI/HDMI models r available now......its better than old M2N-PV

rollcage

05-02-2008, 01:55 PM

a amd processor 4000+ to 4800+ on Asus m2a Vm motherboard would be a good deal. The on board video is ok for light gaming. if u want to run linux use then go for m2n pvI am pro Windows user. and any processor from 4000+ to 4800+ will do. But I basically wants a good motherboard. I was looking at asus site but thaose are old boards now. MEN VM MX or other asus board has nvidia chipset good but onboard is same 6050 .. what about that 7050 graphics chip that we heard.

new M2N-VM DVI/HDMI models r available now......its better than old M2N-PV
oh yes thats what I just looked at Asus website .. this one has geforce7 series onboard with 256MB shared,
I think I shall but this one with AMD X2 4000+ thats will be good combi.
with put on other stuff.

Is it available yet!! :confused:

BULLZI

05-02-2008, 03:35 PM

guyz, as per choto cheeta's suggestion, I delayed my proccy + mobo buy.
bt i desperately need a grfx card. the current decent one will do for me.
i hv enuff money to buy HD3870x2 but cant find out whether it will be a good buy or not.
previously I was going to get dual GTSs but I just want to save some money to get a new digicam :D.
as dual GTSs will cost abt 38K in respect to HD's 25K, I just wanna be sure whether it will be a good buy or not.
Awaiting for your valuable suggestions :).

Choto Cheeta

05-02-2008, 03:49 PM

@BULZZI

can u please post the URL for the product which u wish to buy :lol: I mean the ATi :)

BULLZI

05-02-2008, 03:56 PM

@BULZZI

can u please post the URL for the product which u wish to buy :lol: I mean the ATi :)

Why not choto. Here u go.

http://www.theitwares.com/gfxcards/gfxcards.htm

Nything for u:D.

utsav

05-02-2008, 04:00 PM

Why not choto. Here u go.

http://www.theitwares.com/gfxcards/gfxcards.htm

Nything for u:D.

something for me too plz :D

BULLZI

05-02-2008, 04:19 PM

something for me too plz :D

Lol

The Conqueror

05-02-2008, 04:27 PM

@BULLZI :
It will be gr8 if u wait for 5-6 months and take 9800 GT/GTS in SLi. Trust me as 8800 GTX itself will be outdated this month.and 8800 serie will be obsolete soon.OR you can get 9600 GT (which will cost approx 9k-12k and take it in SLi but i recommened to take 9800 GT/GTS )

BULLZI

05-02-2008, 04:49 PM

BULLZI

05-02-2008, 05:55 PM

Hey choto, whts taking so long?
I posted the link long ago and u r still to reply.
Are u busy in ordering for yourself?
:D

dOm1naTOr

05-02-2008, 08:34 PM

@BULLZI
HD 3870X2 for 25k is a gud buy, but one wanna remind u something.
Harvick780 somewhere in his experience with 8800SLI said even if the fps dun drop below min there seems to be lag in game nd this is the problem in dual gpu systems.
But he has nvidia SLI, but he says he heard bout similar issues with crossfire too.
But ivent heard those from any review. Dun now if its true for ATI HD 3000 crossfire.
ATI's performance especially the HD 3xxx series are increasing with every catalyst releases nd so HD 3870 X2 makes a gud buy nd even beats 8800GT SLI in most benchs even at highest resolution nd max quality.
Maybe 8800GTS 512 in SLI is better than that by small margin but its 13k cheaper than 8800GTS SLI solution which makes it a gr8 buy.

And also i wanna remind u that HD 3000 cards performs 30% better on Spider platform, ie the new ATi 7xx chipset with phenom.
The cheapest spider platform mobo from MSI is for 6k
see here
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78077

j1n M@tt

05-02-2008, 08:59 PM

@BULLZI

hey man, HD3870X2 is a gud decision and its a best buy at 25k in IT Wares......the site admin Rahul Verma of IT Wares is now in digit forum. He is the one u should be asking abt these things......so look out for Cooldude1 in this forum, which is his nickname.

@rollcage

Is it available yet!! :confused:

yeah ,I think its easily available by this time...........

Our dealers cleared all old stocks of M2A-VM and started stacking up M2N-VM mobos for buget PCs......

rollcage

05-02-2008, 09:12 PM

j1n M@tt

05-02-2008, 09:20 PM

^^
XFX 630i Ultra :3.6k
Intel E2140 :2.5k

but......630i mobo supports no dual channel memory.....ur Corsair will be a waste. So stick with ur AMD solution or go for a single stick of 2GB 800MHz RAM for 2k

rollcage

05-02-2008, 09:42 PM

^ can u tell me more on intel,
which model, whats the clocks speed .. and whats the value for money processor. . whats extreem in intel cpus, .. i suppose it shall be expensive.

I read here more that .. as of now Intel appears to be a setup up,
why so ..

which one is better corsair 667 or Kingston 800 for AMD config?

and

you said our dealers .. u are a distributor? where u located man

j1n M@tt

05-02-2008, 10:25 PM

@rollcage

Intel E2140 hav clock speeds of 1.6GHz....

The VFM procs from Intel are:
E2140
E2160
C2D E4500( now only old stocks available as Intel stopped its production)
and C2D E6550 @ 7k

And the xtreem procs from Intel goes up to latest Q9950........and as u said, they r really expensive. Even if VFM procs from Intel seems to be d best for budget PCs, they don't hav cheap gud mobos to go with them.
--------
hey.....am not a distributor :D, its just.....ma frnds' and ma hobbies r selling h/w to ppl who need help like u guys :p........hardware reviewing,modding, gamming and high-end technology are all our passion 8)

dOm1naTOr

05-02-2008, 10:38 PM

Corsair 667 are value select series nd Transcent DDR2 800 wud be better that that. But sites like theitwares is giving 10yr warranty for corsair modules though ull get only 3yrs from local stores.

And For Intel E 2160 1.8Ghz @ 3.3k is gud but only if oced to at least 2.5Ghz or greater. But the 630i mobo is not gud for ocing at enthusiastic level. U can do some 3.3Ghz on it without sweat.
So 3.3k+3.6k=6.9k

But i wud recommend a 4400+ or 4800+ for such budgets.
And the 4000+ cd get ur work done like charm nd with cool nd quite enabled, the power consumption will be cut by haf.

And for Intel u shud at least invest for E 6550 @ 6.8k, but it will be much better than proccys like 4800+

j1n M@tt

05-02-2008, 10:44 PM

@rollcage

its true wat dOm1naTOr says.....and he is our clan's major "distributor"http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/4.gif

axxo

06-02-2008, 12:26 AM

Guyz after long long long wait & end of my research...i bought components for my new system
following are they
Coolermaster Elite 330 -2700
Zebronics pure platinum 500W SMPS -1800
Biostart p35d2-a7 Mobo - 4600
Intel E2160 proc - 2900
2gb Transcend 800mhz ddr2 - 2000

Total - 14000 /-
I will keep my old sata II160gb hdd and liteon dvd-rw intact.
i couldnt get any better p35 chip mobo and i was left with no choice than biostar..
anywat going to overclock this & will let you know the results...

yessssssssss...I did it..
overclocked my system today to reach 3ghz(2.98) out of stock cooling.
unfortunately the smps that i purchase seems to be faulty..so forced to use default 400w smps that came with Zebronics handy cabinet 2 yrs bfore for my testing.
am getting ideal temp to br 55-60..& max stress testing it goes till 80c
hope to get my smps replaced by tommorrow..and then would like to try another adventure..

rollcage

06-02-2008, 01:03 AM

thx man for putting all those intel nos in my brain,
but I didnt get much of E2140 or E6550, bcoz I think they have also
started working on the model nos. but as it gets .. in market C2D 2.2GZ is available for 4800/-
i hate those guys when i asked them d model no. they dont know a bit of it.
same with amd .. dont ask the retairs any tricky question aah

now i feel putting AMD + nvidia chipset + nvidia-geforce has better compatibility I think. what you say?

so I suppose going for amd is better bcoz that way I can save money and buy the 8600Gt in the time being.
but the mall concern is is going with M2N VM DVI (630a + 7050) with 8600GT DDR3 latteron good (price may futher fall in the meanwhile a littlebit so might get the 8600GTS)
or
anyother board (with 2lans n wifi or something)+ 8600gt-ddr now only,
which one is better .. I mean the motherboard & more compatibility as a option?

and i read earlier that corsair n kingston have different latencies, and latences are low it works better with AMD proc than putting more fsb?
this thing really freaks me out

dOm1naTOr

06-02-2008, 07:19 AM

Yeah, lower latency will give better performance especially in AMD platforma...latency matters more than Mhz.
But none of the value series offer gud latencies. Just checkout
www.theitwares.com and see the prices of gud corsair memories.

primitive_trash

06-02-2008, 05:43 PM

Hi guys im planning to build a desktop with the following configuration...it'll be used for watching movies, downloading and playing games. i'll not game a lot on it as i have a ps2. On the pc i like playing games like AOE, Civilization, Sims basically strategy games, and the occasional FPS. is the config i have mentioned below good enough?? i have no idea about mobos so a little help on that is required. also for how much will i be able to get this rig??

Athlon 64X2 4400+
Asus M2A - VM
2 GB 667Mhz
Seagate Sata 2 320 GB (16 MB Buffer)
XFX 8600GT 256MB DDR3
Viewsonic LCD 19" VG1932WM

dOm1naTOr

06-02-2008, 06:20 PM

The_Devil_Himself

06-02-2008, 06:32 PM

dOm1naTOr

06-02-2008, 06:53 PM

@The_Devil_Himself (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=28651)
PC1:
As they are non ocers then
X2 5200+: 4.7k
Asus M2N VM: 3.3k
2*1G DDR2 667: 1.8k
320 sata2: 3.4k
MS k/b nd mouse: 0.7k
Zebonics cabby w 400w: 1.2k
Atlec ATP3: 2.5k
VS 19" 1912w: 8.5k
APC 600VA: 2.6k
-------------------
28.8k

PC2:
All same but proccy
5600+: 5.2k
19" Samsung 940NW: 10.5k
and get an 8gb perdive for the extra bucks:
8GB pendrive transcent v60 or v10: 2k

primitive_trash

06-02-2008, 07:19 PM

@primitive_trash (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=18007)
the config is enuf..for the games u specified
X2 4400+: 3.3k
M2A VM DVI: 3.2k
1G*2 DDR2 667 transcent: 1.8k
Seagate 320sata2 16M: 3.4k
POV 8600GT: 4.8k [XFX 8600GT has heating problem]
VIewsonic VG 1932WM: around 10k......im no sure bout it but is surelly lower than 10k.

oh yaa and my budget is 30k ...so can i add/remove something here to get something better....
also in my budget can i get a core2duo config??? i mean i guess i can sacrifice on the monitor or something...will core2duo be better in this budget i mean..

p.s. this includes the PSU and cabinet.

Sunny1211993

06-02-2008, 08:53 PM

Ok guys I need to help two of my friends in buying PCs(prolly within 2 weeks).

1.budget:30k.
COmplete noob.
Don't know whats overclocking
Should be stable and lesser power comsuming(this is important)
No dedicated graphic card needed,no serious gaming.
Mainly will be used for movies,and programming.
30k includes everything(from mouse to UPS)

2.budget:35k
requirements same as above but he wants a 19' widescreen LCD as hell.

PC1:
XFX 630i Ultra-3.4K(no dual channel support but u can use a single 2 GB stick)
trancend 2GB DDR2 800 Mhz-2.1K
Intel C2D 6550-6.5K
Seagate 250 GB SATA II-2.8K
Logitech wireless KB n mouse-1.3K
Samsung sync master 740 N-7.5-8K
some 'APC' UPS-2K(MAX)
any local cabby with 450 W PSU-2K
Lite on 20X DVD-RW-1.25 K
total 29.4 K:D:D:D

PC2:
XFX 630i Ultra-3.4K(no dual channel support but u can use a single 2 GB stick)
trancend 2GB DDR2 800 Mhz-2.1K
Intel C2D 6550-6.5K
Seagate 250 GB SATA II-2.8K
Logitech wireless KB n mouse-1.3K
Samsung sync maste 940N -10K
some 'APC' UPS-2K(MAX)
any local cabby with 450 W PSU-2K
Lite on 20X DVD-RW-1.25 K
Total-31.4K
If u want something better u can get a intel DG33TL with good onboard 3100 graphix.that all will too come under 35 K:D:D

Choto Cheeta

06-02-2008, 10:56 PM

I dont vote for Intel boards... I never vote for any intel board...

Don't know whats overclocking

increasing the processor speed :p as simple as that for him :lol:

and trust me 10 out of 10 people i meet who were with idea of OC is a bad thing always, when saw OC in action with their eyes, became better OCer than me :lol:

2.budget:35k
requirements same as above but he wants a 19' widescreen LCD as hell.

Option 1

Compaq C702TU

Cel M 550 1.73 GHz (1 MB L2 / 533 FSB)
1 GB DDR-II Dual Channel (upgrade from default 512 MB)
Intel GL960M Chipset
Intel GMA x3100 (Full Vista Aero support dx 10)
80 GB SATA HDD 5400 RPM
DVD RW
Wifi / LAN / USB / VGA out / all std feature
15.1" WideScreen 1280x800
1 Year National warrenty

Rs. 25200/- inc TAX Kolkata

Now add a

View Sonic va1912wm Rs. 8900/- + TAX :)

as u dont have any DVI so any non DVI TFT would be fine :)

Option 2

Complete Desktop PC....

Intel E4500 @ Rs. 4500 /- + TAX
XFX 630i 7150 @ Rs. 3450 /- + TAX
Pinnacle TV Tuner for Vista with Remote @ Rs. 2100 /- + TAX
Dell 198wef or View Sonic vx1945wm 19" TFT @ Rs. 10700 /- + TAX
4 GB Kingstone DDR-II 667 MHz (2 GB Single Stick x 2) @ Rs. 3600 /- + TAX
250 GB SATA-II 16mb buffer @ Rs. 2600 /- + TAX
DVD RW liteon / lg / asus @ Rs. 1300 /- + TAX
Any Local Cabinet with 450 watts <- nowadays they all come with 450 watts @ Rs. 1200 /- + TAX
APC 650 VA @ Rs. 2600 /- + TAX
Logitech 4 wired combo @ Rs. 750 /- + TAX

TAX @ 4% VAT Rs. 1312 /-
Total Rs. 34112 /-

No dual Channel support with XFX 630i 7150 so get more ram :)

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Personal Suggestion, take the Notebook option :)

axxo

06-02-2008, 11:08 PM

Logitech wireless combo @ Rs. 750 /- + TAX

microsoft wired combo costs Rs.750...

are you sure the above is wireless?

Choto Cheeta

06-02-2008, 11:10 PM

microsoft wired combo costs Rs.750...

are you sure the above is wireless?

My mistake its wired :( thnx for pointing, editing it... ans sorry for the inconviniance :(

vavinashraju

06-02-2008, 11:28 PM

my friend wants to buy a computer...here are the parts which he wants(budget-45000)...please mention the cost also and if i should refer some sites...for review of the parts
1.processor-which one he should take core2duo 3.0or quad core 2.4
2.mother board ...tell a good one within 5000
3.what is the cost of ddr2 ram of 800mhz for 2 gb
4. gfx-should he wait for 10.1 directx cards by nvidia or take 8800
5.what should be the power of cabinet for this
6.key board and mouse
7.250 gb hard disk
8.which monitor he should take samsung or viewsonic 19" and which model

soumya

07-02-2008, 07:58 AM

xbonez

07-02-2008, 09:28 AM

no reason u shud go for a CRT monitor unless u wanna save money....these days response times of LCDs are quite low, so blurring and ghosting isn't a prob...check out monitors by AOC

hellgate

07-02-2008, 12:01 PM

primitive_trash

07-02-2008, 01:01 PM

okay guys ive managed to increase my budget to 35k if i really need to a max of 40k :D. this includes everything except a dvd writer & speakers.

so what will be the best config in this price range im looking for a 19"wide lcd

Thanks.

rollcage

07-02-2008, 01:05 PM

@dOm1naTOr

So as you say .. it is the high range RAMs from Corsair that has better latences not the Corsair Value RAM.

2. now If I put this
AMD + nvidia chipset + nvidia-geforce
which has better compatibility? what you say?
so I suppose going for AMD is better bcoz that way I can save money and buy the 8600Gt in the time being.
but the mall concern is is going with M2N VM DVI (630a + 7050) with 8600GT DDR3 latteron good (price may futher fall in the meanwhile a littlebit so might get the 8600GTS)
or
anyother board (with 2lans n wifi or something)+ 8600gt-ddr now only,
which one is better .. I mean the motherboard & more compatibility as a option?

3. As for HDD .. can I put a SCSI Harddisk on normal pc,
because I use extensively, format regularly. Install new OS again n again.
or I put 2*160GB in Raid or put 320GB with 16MB buffer

BULLZI

07-02-2008, 01:43 PM

Is the Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q6700 available in Kolkata? And what is it's price? What's the best motherboard I can put in it if I buy a separate graphics card (Geforce 8600/8800)? And in the high end gaming config, you recommended a CRT monitor? Why? Suppose I buy a LCD monitor, which brand should i buy?

Its not worth buying Q6700 for abt 8K higher price than Q6600. U can always oc Q6600 GO stepping to 3 GHZ on stock cooler. Thats enuff speed, I guess, for anyone.
Go for at least 8800GT if u are in a hurry(like me:D) for a grfx card.
CRT monitors are not worth buying nowadays as LCD prices have really fallen.Get Viewsonic LCD 19inch. Dont remember the model no. I am a noob in case of TFTs. U will get info if ur search the forum threads :).

Offtopic :-

Read 5 reviews of HD3870x2. I am not impressed at all. The reasons are as following :

1) Bulky. About 27 cm long and over a 1 KG.
2) Overheating issues as the card has only one fan to cool both the GPUs.
The air flows from one GPU to other for cooling.
3) Poor performance in games as well as poor overclocking capabilities.

Thats disheartening:(:(.

soumya

07-02-2008, 03:37 PM

Its not worth buying Q6700 for abt 8K higher price than Q6600. U can always oc Q6600 GO stepping to 3 GHZ on stock cooler. Thats enuff speed, I guess, for anyone.
Go for at least 8800GT if u are in a hurry(like me:D) for a grfx card.
CRT monitors are not worth buying nowadays as LCD prices have really fallen.Get Viewsonic LCD 19inch. Dont remember the model no. I am a noob in case of TFTs. U will get info if ur search the forum threads :).

Suggest me a good motherboard. And should I wait till the Geforce 9 series and DDR3 ram become availaible and are cheaper?

xbonez

07-02-2008, 03:52 PM

if u wait till they become available and become cheaper it will be a long wait...i suggest u go for the sys now...2 gb 667mhz kingston RAM will just cost u 2k, not something that will pinch if u wanna upgrade to ddr3 later... and go for a cheap gfx card...something like 8500 or 8600 and then upgrade when 9xxx series become mainstream

BULLZI

07-02-2008, 04:48 PM

Suggest me a good motherboard. And should I wait till the Geforce 9 series and DDR3 ram become availaible and are cheaper?

Mention your budget plz so that we can help you properly :).

soumya

07-02-2008, 06:21 PM

Everything taken into consideration except sound card and speaker, the whole package should be around Rs. 60,000.

Pathik

07-02-2008, 07:39 PM

If you are not much into gaming, then you should seriously consider a laptop.

soumya

07-02-2008, 07:46 PM

If you are not much into gaming, then you should seriously consider a laptop.

I bought a laptop last year for 69,900

Lenovo Y500 7761-6AQ

C2D @ 1.66 GHz

2 GB DDR2 @ 667 MHz

100 GB SATA HDD

GeForce GO 7400 Approx Memory 400 MB :)

TV TUNER and WEBCAM

MetalheadGautham

08-02-2008, 07:49 PM

What is the best punch for buck I can get in a branded PC ?

I am looking forward to buying a new PC(still not lost hope), but my dad says its better to go for a branded rig this time as I can get onsite service, better customer care, and better warranty.

I came to the conclution that many vendors sell PCs with some parts costing rather more than the street price, and by more I mean a hell more(read: dell). But at the same time, I also saw that low end desktops from such reputed branded vendors often turn out to posess rather high VFM, comming within 10% higher cost than assembled stuff, but with all premium like support and onsite warranty.

So finally, I decided to go for these VFM machines, on the condition that they have good Motherboards.

Graphics Cards comming at a huge premium compared to the normal prices, I decided that unless the same 10-15% extra limit is maintained, I will be better off without graphics cards.

And Monitors are one thing that come at excellent VFM from Branded PCs, so I am going for a good screen.

My Budget is supposed to limit the costs to 50-55K max. Please advice on what I must do and comment on my stratagy, as I am still in the initial planning stage of my PC Purchase.

s18000rpm

08-02-2008, 10:25 PM

dude.

the branded PC's are not that good for upgrading.

Assembled PC-
if you choose the parts which work great with others then you'll never have any trouble, which eliminates the "customer care/support" thingy.

for example, take a look here.
Intel Desktop Boards
Integration guide
http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/cs-020835.htm

all parts tested by intel.

my advice would be build a system & buy Original Operaing System.

coz the reason for BSOD is
1. h/w incompatibilities or,
2. pirated OS or,
3. combo of 1 & 2:p or,
4. Virus & other crap.

Sunny1211993

08-02-2008, 10:41 PM

i get bsod's due to second reason on vista!!LOL

rollcage

08-02-2008, 11:30 PM

@s18000rpm

yes dude .. completely agree, compatibility is the real issue.
We purchase the cheap motherboard n rams ealier and used to get the BSODs,
but now hardly anyone buy the lowend rams like simtronics,
almost everyone here muys the Kingston.
same with motherboard. .. we buy the nvidia chipsets not the sis or via

compatibility is the real issue.
@dOm1naTOr

So as you say .. it is the high range RAMs from Corsair that has better latences not the Corsair Value RAM.

2. now If I put this
AMD + nvidia chipset + nvidia-geforce
or putting AMD Processor with AMD chipset
which has better compatibility? what you say?
so I suppose going for AMD processor over Intel is better bcoz that way I can save money and buy the 8600Gt in the time being.
but the main concern is is going with M2N VM DVI (630a + 7050) with 8600GT DDR3 latteron good (price may futher fall in the meanwhile a littlebit so might get the 8600GTS)
or
anyother board (with 2lans n wifi or something)+ 8600gt-ddr now only,
which one is better .. I mean the motherboard & more compatibility as a option?

3. As for HDD .. can I put a SCSI Harddisk on normal pc,
because I use extensively, format regularly. Install new OS again n again.
or I put 2*160GB in Raid or put 320GB with 16MB buffer
can someone suggest me the final config ..and I am thinking on putting a good cabinet.
can be get good cabi in not so high budget, does something like Dell XPS cabinet can be bought?
whats the coolmaster n antec prices