Basic Guide Purchase a New System

[Choto Cheeta]

Hey Little Devil, seeing your such vast knowledge in hardware field, I was just wondering if you deal in Hardware.

nah..... :p really dont deal in any stuff :p and may be u missed this, also... http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63828

[BBThumbHealer]

Excellent Thread Choto Cheeta ! :)

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^

Ohh !! so u noticed :p

:lol:

anyway, thnx for the comment frnd :)

[BBThumbHealer]

Sry for noticing it late :(

[dr_jimit]

I want One latest PC

What is the price difference between
C2Q6600
C2Q6700

Quadro Extreme 6700/6800/6850 [Pl say if available in Mumbai/ Lamington Road]

Is intel 975[xbx2 or something like that series] mobo with Q6700 GOOD Performer, Fully supported, full advantage of Quadcore or it is for dual core only?

i dont know much about ASUS / nforce motherboard, as i have faith in intel original board, Are they better, in which way ?

What Intel Motherboard and memory will be BEST for Q6700[my current choice] [or extreme editions]for 1333MHz FSB , best for 64 bit computing , dual Channel Memmory mode.
Money doesn't matter much.[Mid to high , but not extreme end, hehehe]

Is 2GB or more size DDR2 memory modules are available in mumbai, 800 MHz/more?
because only 4 GB [1GB X 4 Modules] can be added to motherboard like intel 975x[ 4 slots only]
Please help, as 4 GB will be barrier for 4 CPU cores in performance in 64 bit computing.


now The graphics card issue


the 8800GTS [17k] version or GTX [38k]?

The price is double but is there a similar performance gap ?
Or GTS should be the good value for money?
what is approx price of 8800GTS 768 MB ?

I heard that current DX10 Geforce 8 series will not support next DX 10.1 [before actual games arrive :-( ]
so will 8500 GT 512MB 5.8k will be a good choice for mid to high end gaming in near future ?

Last , give your configuration ,Intel originalprefered,
For best perfomance without going in Extreme Price limits. [Mid to High]

Please answer whatever question you know,
Pl before next 10 days.

Thanks in Advance,

Dr. Jimit N. Vadgama

[Choto Cheeta]

whats ur Full Budget ?? that will be easy to compile a config... anyway lets go through the question one by one...

What is the price difference between
C2Q6600
C2Q6700

Its almost double compare to Rs. 13k Q6600 but search, they are all posted !!!

Quadro Extreme 6700/6800/6850 [Pl say if available in Mumbai/ Lamington Road]

Well search in the thread they are all posted... u will find Q6600 or any FSB 1333 C2D Procy in Mumbai but will be hard to get the Highest ones...

Is intel 975[xbx2 or something like that series] mobo with Q6700 GOOD Performer, Fully supported, full advantage of Quadcore or it is for dual core only?

i dont know much about ASUS / nforce motherboard, as i have faith in intel original board, Are they better, in which way ?

Once again Did u read this thread fully, all these question are answered !!! ASUS / MSI / Gigabyte boards are better than Intel for sure... !!! Better feature in the price and most important in Core family procy ASUS / MSI they are exelent OC boards...

What Intel Motherboard and memory will be BEST for Q6700[my current choice] [or extreme editions]for 1333MHz FSB , best for 64 bit computing , dual Channel Memmory mode.
Money doesn't matter much.[Mid to high , but not extreme end, hehehe]

Is 2GB or more size DDR2 memory modules are available in mumbai, 800 MHz/more?
because only 4 GB [1GB X 4 Modules] can be added to motherboard like intel 975x[ 4 slots only]
Please help, as 4 GB will be barrier for 4 CPU cores in performance in 64 bit computing.

Allas !!!

Please go though the Stickies, they are all answered in the hardware section stickies... :D

See mention the Budget, members will try to suggest u the Best which u can find in that price, then I suggest u ask these individual questions...

Is 8800 supports Directx 10 ?

All 8xxx seris cards are DirectX 10 supported... !!! Lowest would be 8400 GS which is Rs, 2800/- + TAX

Last , give your configuration ,Intel originalprefered,
For best perfomance without going in Extreme Price limits. [Mid to High]

and really u didnt even read the 1st thread :( I have writen if u dont have a Budget Limit, MAC Pro or Alienware would be the choise for u...

MAC Pro

Intel 8 Core Processors (3.0 GHz / 16 MB L2)
16 GB DDR-II
4 x 750 GB (3 TB) Stogare
4 x 512 MB (2 GB) Nvidia Grfx Cards
2 x 30" Apple Display

Some 7.5 Lacks...

http://www.apple.com/macpro/

Alienware

Core 2 eXtreme QX6850 with liquide Cooling clocking at 3.33 Ghz
4 GB 1066 MHz High OverClockable RAMs
2 x 786 MB Nvidia 8800 GTX
4 TB Storage
Blu-Ray/DVD±RW/CD-RW Burner
PhysX PCI-E Card

Once again Some Rs. 7.5 lacks

http://www.alienware.com/product_detail_Pages/area-51_alx/area-51_overview.aspx?SysCode=PC-AREA51-ALX-R6&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT

so I suggest please read the threads in the hardware section, will give u a complete idea on all ur questions... :)

[john_the_ultimate]

Saurav bhai...........the replacement mobo (XFX 650i Ultra) I got is DOA :sad:
So returned it back for another RMA. What do ya say? I am talking with rashi to give a me a ASUS mobo as the replacement and I am ready to pay the extra cost (whatever it maybe). Haven't decided on the mobo but if they agree then maybe will get some highend mobo.
Any suggestion??

[Pathik]

^^ high budget??? how about the p5k deluxe...
or if ur budget is about 7k then get a p5n e sli..
btw wat is DOA??

[Choto Cheeta]

Saurav bhai...........the replacement mobo (XFX 650i Ultra) I got is DOA

Jah !!! Bro I did expressed my concern over XFX as a motherboard brand... as see with ASUS they are really reliable where as XFX though in the card market for a long time, but really new comer in Mobo section...

Its seems the quality control is really in mess... :p they didnt check the board before going out or the real posibility what happend is, by chance Rashi Kolkata Had another board for RMA :p they tested in their place to find no problem, so may be they took a chance and pushed u that one :p

as i was ammezed to see the fast action of their Service :p

So my suggestion wait... take another one to see what happens there... as for High end option u have P5N-E SLi or ASUS P5K-VM....

not really some gr8 option those :p

so wait for the second one :D

@pathiks

DOA = Dead on Arrival

[john_the_ultimate]

Ya........I am also playing the waiting game. This time I will see that I get a good mobo or asus as an replacement.

[Choto Cheeta]

Which ASUS one u have in ur mind ?? immidiate counter part P5N-E SLi or any higher one ??

[john_the_ultimate]

P5N-E SLi is the closest to my existing mobo but as for highend mobo, didn't got the time to read reviews, so you could help me there. Keeping in mind that I am thinking of getting the "quads" with some water cooling kit in a couple of months.

[mukherjee]

guys...i ve got the zeb antibiotic

but theres a confusion......theres a white wire(a pair) coming out of the lcd display...it doesnt seem to fit newhere?wat is it? is it the thermal sensor?but then the guide supplied says something must be present at the tip of the wire!!!:o:o:o

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

^^ that's cool what's the price ???

according to me the best would be ask for the side cover of ZEB Peace and use it in place of the ZEB Bijli ka side cover........and sale of the other cabinet made out of ZEB bijli side cover and ZEB Peace caby !!

this way u have front fan and also side LED fans !!

[go4saket]

Hey guys, I want to buy a 4:3 19" LCD with good response rates & viewing angles. Which one should I go for and please also mention the price for the same...

[Third Eye]

Which is better? E6750 or E6600.I will get xfx650 ultra mobo for one of of them.

[Pathik]

^^ 6750 anyday... better and cheaper...
but u ll have to get ur bios updated to use that..

[sagargv]

which ram ? transcend / kingston / corsair

[dr_jimit]

whats ur Full Budget ?? that will be easy to compile a config... anyway lets go through the question one by one...



...................so I suggest please read the threads in the hardware section, will give u a complete idea on all ur questions... :)


Well, Thanks a lot Chota Cheeta,

My questions were for a perticular system, the compatibility issues, support each others, gfx card and cpu of such a same level to take take full advantage of each other,
I went through most of threads , and My questions remained unsolved.
as there were nothing i coulld find about Intel or 650i ultra comparision, all there was a crap of 650i BIOS.

Budget < 50,000 for the Whole PC excluding Gfx card and monitor

I already decided Dell Ultrasharp 24" monitor,
Microsoft Wireless laser mouse + KB
Zebronics Bijli cabinet

600 GB SATA Seagate 7200RPM
LiteOn 20X LightScribe DVD writer

Gfx card as digit forum will suggest.

CPU Q6700

mobo Intel one, will 975 xbx2 support fully q6700? I am asking again Pl Pl Help Me ,
full Quadrocore support, or it just made for C2D?
Q6700 FSB is 1066mhz but mobo has 1333MHz support , Right ?
so will it support or no Boot ?

If you know any other intel original motherboard which fully support quadrocore PL PL tell me, what about
G31, G33
P31,P35

Intel website says they support quadrocore
but are intel original boards of this Chips,are available in Mumbai
or they are made only by asus / xfx / other company using these chip only?
I am totally confused, PL PL help me on CPU+ Mobo Isssue,

thanks again for answering me,

Dr. Jimit Vadgama

[Third Eye]

^^ 6750 anyday... better and cheaper...
but u ll have to get ur bios updated to use that..

Any other mobo which doesn't requires BIOS upgrading.:eek:

[Pathik]

@jimit y dont u get a p35 mobo??? Get the asus p5k3 deluxe wifi ap or if u want a intel one then get the dp35dp or the dg33tl ... and yea even d975xbx2 is compatible wit c2q.. also all the above boards ll work wit the q6700 perfectly but q6700 is not at all vfm... instead get the q6600 if u desperately want a quad... even a c2d e6850 wd do..

@tech genius get the asus p5n e sli then

[Choto Cheeta]

CPU BOx with 50k !!!!

Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 or Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ Rs. 12900/- + TAX
ASUS P5N32-E SLi or P5KC @ Rs. 11500/- + TAX
4 GB DDR-II 800 MHz Transcent / Kingstone @ Rs. 8800/- + TAX
250 GB SATA-II 16mb Buffer @ Rs. 2700/- + TAX
Pinnacle or WinFAST TV tuner kit for Vista @ Rs. 2100/- + TAX
Cabinet with Zebronics 500 watts @ Rs. 2200/- + TAX
Microsoft Desktop combo @ Rs. 750/- + TAX
Creative 5.1 @ Rs. 3600/- + TAX
APC 650 VA UPS @ Rs. 2500/- + TAX

Total Rs. 48932 incl % VAT in Kolkata :D

Well Quad Cores are not that good Overclocker and when u overclock u need to have a Great pair of RAMs so, Kingstone or Transcend are not the ones to have... :p so, I suggest stick with Q6600 of 1066 FSB Procy... :D

[sagargv]

which ram ? transcend / kingston / corsair
for a C2D or amd which one shud my fren prefer as the price difference seems quite small . .

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

^^ choto that guy wants a high end pc why have u put some cheap SMPS

let him use bijli with Zeb pure platinum or CM @ 3.2k

[Choto Cheeta]

^^ choto that guy wants a high end pc why have u put some cheap SMPS

let him use bijli with Zeb pure platinum or CM @ 3.2k

Please keep in mind that when I was compliling I had to complie the full system...

So tell me, to add a Cooler Master 600 eXtreme one would need to cut cost !!! Tell me where u feel one can cut cost ??

please just dont suggest one Part :p rather suggest full config with exact street price and incl TAX fit that in the budget of the user !!!!

as when some one suggest single parts new users will get confuse, its really not about a Single Part its about the full system and managing that within that Budget what one would have !!!

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

^^ hmm ok !!! actually if that works out great !! then i am very happy !! coz even i dont want to spend too much on SMPS.........was just wondering that's all....!!

if he wants all that we would then better extend budget by 2k !! to 52k !!
so that later he can add mid end or high gfx card....!! right ??

[Choto Cheeta]

so that later he can add mid end or high gfx card....!! right ??

If u read his post u would find he did wrote he dont need any card...

if he wants all that we would then better extend budget by 2k !! to 52k !!

well in that case I would say wouldnt it be better buying Croisar Performance DDR-II ?? :lol: or rather may be that P5K eXtreme with onboard 2GB DDR-III :lol:

there is no end of increasing !!! :( some would feel lets increase here I would feel lets increase there !!! :p so, its endless

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

ya right it will be endless if u go on extending resulting to a alienware area 51 ALX !!!
he wont over clock or do any modding i guess.....he is a Doctor !!
( am jst supposing !! might be he knows much more then me...cant say )

instead he might want to over clock human brains for better performance !! lolzz

[Pathik]

@sagargv try to Get Corsair XMS modules..

[sagargv]

thanks ,
too costly . 8000 for 1gb ram ?????(source theitwares)
thinking of 667mhz 1gb corsair for 2300.

[Pathik]

^^ if u dont intend to oc much then get transcend 2*1gb ddr2 667 for 3.6k

[keith_j_snyder2]

CPU BOx with 50k !!!!

Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 or Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ Rs. 12900/- + TAX
ASUS P5N32-E SLi or P5KC @ Rs. 11500/- + TAX
4 GB DDR-II 800 MHz Transcent / Kingstone @ Rs. 8800/- + TAX
250 GB SATA-II 16mb Buffer @ Rs. 2700/- + TAX
Pinnacle or WinFAST TV tuner kit for Vista @ Rs. 2100/- + TAX
Cabinet with Zebronics 500 watts @ Rs. 2200/- + TAX
Microsoft Desktop combo @ Rs. 750/- + TAX
Creative 5.1 @ Rs. 3600/- + TAX
APC 650 VA UPS @ Rs. 2500/- + TAX

Total Rs. 48932 incl % VAT in Kolkata :D

Well Quad Cores are not that good Overclocker and when u overclock u need to have a Great pair of RAMs so, Kingstone or Transcend are not the ones to have... :p so, I suggest stick with Q6600 of 1066 FSB Procy... :D

yeah that a good config for that much price.....but don't u think u missed something?
think....
think....
think....
think....think....
Ok time's up!

Its the graphics card bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^^

Umm... :lol: In that case i would say u forgot some thing to read....

think....
think....
think....
think....think....
Ok time's up!

its this part of the authors post....

Budget < 50,000 for the Whole PC excluding Gfx card and monitor

against which i compile it up :p

[dr_jimit]

Thanks , Thanks a lot to all of you,

Now i am reaching somewhat to a - what i would call a SemiFinal Listwith some question,



Intel C2Q Q6700

Intel DP35DP mobo [ any comments/ disadvantages? They both fully supports each other.]

4GB [ 1 GB x 4 ] DDR2 800MHz Kingston RAM [Rs. 2500 x 4 Mumbai price OK?]

250 GB x 2 SATA HDD [ please tell me if i would have to ask and pay dealer for SATA 2 and 16MB seperately or all current drives are same ? And I want 2 Drives for Video Capturing =1 dedicated, any coments?]

LiteOn Lightscribe DL DVD writer [ Availability and price of lightscribe media, what do u comment? or go for Plain 20x model?]

Zebronics Bijli (3fans)with zebronics 500Watts PSU [ I calculated power for this system = 369 watts for 1 with 8600 GPU,LGA 775, 2 HDD,1 Optical. so will 500watts b good enough right?even for future] [pl tell me the approx price of these two]

Microsoft wireless Laser Desktop 6000 [ Rs. 4950 ]


Stereo Speakers "on-monitor" with Dell Ultrasharp 24"

Not decided about GFX card, [ but u suggest 3 choice for this system] first i wanna complete this list.



In general,

I want this Pc for my cousin for Photo and video editing,
I want intel CPU+mobo only, [ thanks pathiks for suggesting intel MOBO number]
I NEVER NEVER want to overclock, and i want a Powerful and steady system
so i dont want ASUS mobo / intel extreme series cpu

Dont need TV tuner card, UPS currently


One stupid like question in end,
" Does quad core q6700 @ 2.66GHz means that there are 4 2.66GHz cpu in one = 4 x 2.66=10.66 GHz ? or 2.66GHz total speed divided by 4 cores?"
Pl dont get Angry with this question, :-)


And for " Human Brain Overclocking " , :-) :-)
The simple way is to utilize your Brain's current processing speed fully,
My 3 ways

1. Take a Very good deep and adequate sleep daily
2. Have a good cup of Tea or Coffee
3. Always Be Happy,

because, Happiness is like a fan , that cools down your overclocked brain..... [or underutilized brain which heats on normal use, hehehe] :-)
It lets you work at full potential.


I have given my Semifinal list, with some question, Please suggest and comment, help me again to finalise it,then i will next decide GFX card for Dell monitor.

Thank you All,
This Forum is Great

Dr. Jimit

[Choto Cheeta]

U cant fit such within 50k mate... :( and really Intel Boards are not the one to get when buying high end systems... Kick those out :p

Quite honestly, please run the price in calculator, what u are planing wont fit in to the Budget of 50k, even u put the spk and TV tuner card, UPS, out as u seems to happy with crappy Stereo spks...

seriouslly u cant fit them under ur budget :p

I boubt that Intel DP35DP is available in Mumbai... anyway, intel boards are really not recomended... !!!

[dr_jimit]

I boubt that Intel DP35DP is available in Mumbai... anyway, intel boards are really not recomended... !!!

Intel® Desktop Board DG33TL is available on "deltapage"

Intel DG33U 33G,S,L, 16x,1333 MHz MicroATX Rs. 5500 only
[ this has a free Intel GMA 3100, HDMI too :-) hehe ]

http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/g33/

wouldn't that be enough for non overclockers ?

[Choto Cheeta]

even if u dont overclock, Combination of XFX 650i Ultra 5000/- + TAX with 8400GS 2800/- + TAX though its more than Intel X3100 but really worth that money...

Tell me whats the Final Config u want to by, give us one pictre product by product by mentioning its prices... I really doubt what u have in ur mind would be hard to fit in to ur budget !!!

[dr_jimit]

Intel C2Q Q6700
Intel DP33U mobo Rs.20k for both ?


4GB [ 1 GB x 4 ] DDR2 800MHz Kingston RAM Rs.2500 * 4
250 GB x 2 SATA HDD Rs.3000*2
LiteOn Lightscribe DL DVD writer Rs. 1950
Zebronics Bijli (3 fans)with zebronics 500Watts PSU Rs. ????
Microsoft wireless Laser Desktop 6000 [ Rs. 4950 ] Rs. 4950

[cynosure]

^ Dont go for Q6700, instead go for Q6600 and overclock it. It can take a 200MHz overclock even on stock cooler. There is no point of wasting so much of money on 200MHz (Q6700's price is almost double of Q6600). Instead go for a better gfx or more storage or more powerful PSU.:)

[dr_jimit]

^ Dont go for Q6700, instead go for Q6600 and overclock it. It can take a 200MHz overclock even on stock cooler. There is no point of wasting so much of money on 200MHz (Q6700's price is almost double of Q6600). Instead go for a better gfx or more storage or more powerful PSU.:)

THANKS, BUT

In Lami. Rd Mumbai,

Q6700 + 975XBX2 = Rs. 22500 Inc. tax

and if I go for motherboard D33U its around Rs. 4000 less then 975, [ + 1333MHz FSB + GMA 3100 free ]

And isn't Zebronics 500W wtih Bijli Cabinet suffient for a 8800 and Q6700 ?

[Ethan_Hunt]

^You mean the default PSU which comes with the cabinet? I wouldn't bet on it & by 8800 I asume you mean the GTS 320MB version is it? If yes then don't fall for the stock PSU but go in for either a Coolermaster or Powersafe 600W PSU which will cost you atleast 3.4k & will be able to handle your current rig.

[morpheusv6]

I am putting up a system for mid to high level gaming. The system needs to be future proof as I won't be upgrading for another 2 years(other than the GPU, which I am not buying now and the RAM which I can upgrade later).
Please offer your suggestions.
1. Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E6750
2. Motherboard: Asus P5N32-E SLi / XFX 680i LT SLi (Can't decide)
3. RAM: Transccend 800 Mhz DDR2 2x 1 GB sticks
4. Mouse: Logitech G7
5. Monitor: Viewsonic 2245wm LCD monitor
6. Cabinet: Zebronics Antibiotic (need quiet operation, any alternatives? (<Rs.4000))
7. Speakers (Need 2.1 system as I don't have space for 5.1 <12K)
8. HDD: Seagate 250 GB x 2 in RAID0
9. GPU: Will buy it from abroad next month. 8800 GTX x 2 in SLi (currently having 7600 GT)
10. Optical drive: Lite On DVD Writer (don't need blue ray or hd dvd)
11. CPU cooler: Cooler master Ultra Hyper 48
12. SMPS: Cooler Master Extreme Power 600W(needs to support 2x 8800 GTX)
13. TV Tuner card (not decided). Need internal PCI card which works with Vista and best performance(i.e. picture, sound and tuning ability)(<5K)
14. OS: Vista Home premium 64 bit
15. Security Software: Kaspersky Internet security

Budget: Rs. 1 lac (excluding software)
Also please suggest a good MFD (fax not required) with seperate ink catridges.(<10K)

Thanks for the suggestions.

[sagargv]

u cud have used this thread . but neway , have a read . .
http://thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63874

since ur budget is quite gud , y dont u consider c2q 's or those c2 extreme models . . .

[Pathik]

Get 4 Gb ram..
7. Get a altec lancing atp3 2.1 ..2.3k..

[sagargv]

and yes , choose corsair instead of transcend . take those xms modules..

[dOm1naTOr]

Get a quality mouse pad from everglide, steel or razer.

GPU: just wait for the GF9 series. Till then use that 7600GT(max 3 months).

nvidia says they wud be almost 3 ties faster than current generation cards.

optical drive: go for sony sata DVDRW.

Mouse: Go for G5 or Razer Copperhead. Or wait a bit and take a look at the about to be released Razer's new Boomslang(not the old one).

Speaker: Altec Lansing MX 5021 THX 2.1. Its the best 2.1 under 10k nd is prices at: 6k

TV tuner: Leadtek Vista Ready and HD ready Tv tuners are availablr. It has even HDMI in and has digital processing.

Cabinet: I doubt whether the 8800GTX wu fit in antibiotic. Ull have hard time installing the HDDs. Ull have to go for lil bigger cabbys like Perfomance TX, Stacker etc. Super Lanboy is a gud one for 5k but i doubt if this too is small for 8800GTX.

CM hyper 6 or 7 is more efficient than 48

PSU: Zebronics 730W Diamond : 7~8k
it has modular cables and as stable as corsair nd antec. Looks gr8 also.

[shantanu]

Thread Meged..

[User Name]

i want Basic Guide Purchase a new Laptop.
if it is posted already then can u please give me the link.

[Choto Cheeta]

OK... Here we go with 1 Lack Budget... note Its my personal thinking that one can use this bellow as for best use !!! we will have difference in openion for sure... so, please wait for other to reply...

My shot..

Intel Q6600 @ 12900/- + TAX
ASUS P5N32-E Sli (680i) @ Rs. 11500/- + TAX
Kingstone Performance 4 x 1 GB DDR-II @ Rs. 12000/- + TAX
ThermalRight Ultra 120 eXtreme @ Rs. 4500/- + TAX
320 GB SATA-II 16 MB Buffer @ Rs. 3400/- + TAX
WinFast (http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/tv_tuner/overview.asp?lineid=6&pronameid=169) TV Tuner Card with Remote supporting Vista @ Rs. 2500/- + TAX
2 x 8800 GTS 320 MB @ Rs. 27400/- + TAX
DVD RM Liton @ Rs. 1350/- + TAX
Any Large well Ventilated Cabinet I would say @ Rs. 2200/- + TAX
Cooler Master eXtreme 600 watts @ Rs. 3500/- + TAX
Dell 22" LCD E228WFP @ Rs. 19000/- + TAX
Creative 2.1 will do I suppose when you don’t have space @ Rs. 1000/- + TAX
Microsoft Desktop Pro wired can do the job well @ Rs. 750/- + TAX


TAX @ 4% 4080

Total 10,6080 ex Kolkata Price incl TAX

This is what I thought would be good... !!!

[Charan]

^^ Saurav.. 4GB is supported only in 64Bit OS right?

[Choto Cheeta]

Well Not really, PAE and 3GB Switch will allow x86 platform too access more than 4GB RAMs,

take a look in these links,

Physical Address Extension (http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.mspx)

Some more detailed Tech Stuff :p http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/pae_os.mspx

But personally I would say yeah when running 4GB + 1GB Video Memory, opt for x64 platform !!!!

[arun_chennai]

OK... Here we go with 1 Lack Budget... note Its my personal thinking that one can use this bellow as for best use !!! we will have difference in openion for sure... so, please wait for other to reply...

My shot..

Intel Q6600 @ 12900/- + TAX
ASUS P5N32-E Sli (680i) @ Rs. 11500/- + TAX
Kingstone Performance 4 x 1 GB DDR-II @ Rs. 12000/- + TAX
ThermalRight Ultra 120 eXtreme @ Rs. 4500/- + TAX
320 GB SATA-II 16 MB Buffer @ Rs. 3400/- + TAX
WinFast (http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/tv_tuner/overview.asp?lineid=6&pronameid=169) TV Tuner Card with Remote supporting Vista @ Rs. 2500/- + TAX
2 x 8800 GTS 320 MB @ Rs. 27400/- + TAX
DVD RM Liton @ Rs. 1350/- + TAX
Any Large well Ventilated Cabinet I would say @ Rs. 2200/- + TAX
Cooler Master eXtreme 600 watts @ Rs. 3500/- + TAX
Dell 22" LCD E228WFP @ Rs. 19000/- + TAX
Creative 2.1 will do I suppose when you don’t have space @ Rs. 1000/- + TAX
Microsoft Desktop Pro wired can do the job well @ Rs. 750/- + TAX


TAX @ 4% 4080

Total 10,6080 ex Kolkata Price incl TAX

This is what I thought would be good... !!!

1,P35 works better than 650i/680i with quads...so u may replace the MB with ASUS P5k deluxe (future proof also-works with 45nm also without any bios update)....
2,As quads can't be overclocked much,we can go for ordinary RAM rather than High performance ones (2~3% performance increase for double the price is not necessary)
3,instead of 320sli u may suggest 8800GTX...
4,E228WFP is available for 17k...
5,Definately a better Speaker for 1L PC...

[Choto Cheeta]

1,P35 works better than 650i/680i with quads...so u may replace the MB with ASUS P5k deluxe (future proof also-works with 45nm also without any bios update)....

Tell me which P35 based ASUS board is SLi Supported ??

2,As quads can't be overclocked much,we can go for ordinary RAM rather than High performance ones (2~3% performance increase for double the price is not necessary)

I didnt suggested Kingstone option.. 667 MFz 4GB would have costed Rs. 8k where as the Performace ones is Rs. 12k they are good for Ocing the Quads...

3,instead of 320sli u may suggest 8800GTX...

Author wants SLi :(

4,E228WFP is available for 17k...

mention the source... and thnx for the update...

5,Definately a better Speaker for 1L PC...

once again u missed the authors post... He doesnt need better than 2.1 !!! :(

[morpheusv6]

According to tomshardware,
E6750 has a better gaming performance than Q6600 and has a better price/performance ratio also. I am not that into video editing or applications that require a 'Quad' Core.

As for the speakers, I already have a ATP3, I am looking for something with stronger bass and more rms output.

No intrested in 'low latency' RAM modules. Too costly for their performance.

GPU: Buying later after 2-3 months, after the price of 8800 GTX reduces a bit.

Another thing, since I am based in Bangalore, should I get the parts locally or from some other place? Where is it cheaper: Mumbai, Chennai or Delhi (sorry don't have contacts in Kolkata)? Any good online dealers(I am aware of itwares and itdepot)?

Any way thanks for the response.

[arun_chennai]

Tell me which P35 based ASUS board is SLi Supported ??



I didnt suggested Kingstone option.. 667 MFz 4GB would have costed Rs. 8k where as the Performace ones is Rs. 12k they are good for Ocing the Quads...



Author wants SLi :(



mention the source... and thnx for the update...



once again u missed the authors post... He doesnt need better than 2.1 !!! :(

hi choto cheeta why r u getting tensed???
i am just advising him only....thats all.....nobody can deny the fact that u are helping others in a big way....just a discussion yar...(anyway i din't reed the authors post ya---thats why...)

[vivekbabbudelhi]

As for the speakers, I already have a ATP3, I am looking for something with stronger bass and more rms output.



I am looking for something with stronger bass and more rms output.


look for klipsh promedia 2.1 or altec mx-5021

here is my review
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63390

[niladrisde]

I have a very old desktop PC with the following config.
1. Normal mouse-keyboard
2. CRT 14" monitor (NEC MultiSynch A500+), capable of 1280x1024 60Hz 32-bit
3. 40GB IDE HDD, little slow, but manageable
4. 154MB RAM (24MB Shared for Video, 130MB Usable)
5. HP Vectra VL, Intel P2 based system
+ Onboard phone modem, 10MB LAN, and sound card
+ CD-ROM drive + 3.5" Floppy Drive
+ 2 USB ports + 1 Free PCI slot

I want to upgrade this desktop to a system, with at least the following config.

1. 512 MB RAM
2. Wireless Internet 802.11g (54Mbps)

I want to do the upgrade with minimal possible cost. But, at the same time, I am wondering, is it worth it, to continue with a P2 based system, at today's date? I would be using this mainly for doing some testing of the in-house developed software, so slow machine with minimum bells and whistles may be good!

Please advise.

[Choto Cheeta]

2. Wireless Internet 802.11g (54Mbps)

USB Device sells for around Rs. 900/- in Kolkata... but for that you would need one 2.0 USB Port ...

I guess for u its wise to opt for Wifi PCI Card Rs. 1200/- in Kolkata....

1. 512 MB RAM

That would be really hard to find... I think u wont be able to digg up a 512 MB Stick and may be ur P-II Motherboard may not support 512 stick...

So best would be buying 2 256MB SD RAM modules... No real good idea about the SD RAM price... as really hard to find new ones now days... !!!

[niladrisde]

Thanks Choto_Cheeta for the advise. I was also thinking, if I could re-use the following from the old system

1. CRT Monitor 14"
2. HDD 40GB
3. Keyboard/Mouse
4. CD-ROM Drive
5. Floppy Drive
6. Cabinet with whatever SMPS it has, must be at least 250W (Though it is HP branded one, but I believe any ATX mobo should fit, right?)

... and build a new system, with some OK processor, and mobo, then? Again cost is the concern.

Please advise.

[Pathik]

dude there s no juice left in ur p2.. I wd say that u get a new pc altogether

dude there s no juice left in ur p2.. I wd say that u get a new pc altogether

[niladrisde]

That's exactly why I made the second post. I was thinking of getting a new procy, a new mobo, and a wireless card, and re-use the rest of the peripherals... Can you please suggest any good cheap combination of Mobo, and procy, and also the prices in Kolkata? Thanks in advance.

[Choto Cheeta]

@niladrisde

Tell us ur Budget... what I can see is P-II not up to the mark, but as u would just run Coding job in it.. i would say run it as long as possible.. :p

[niladrisde]

My budget is around 7k/8k. In that P2 machine, sometimes it feels hopelessly slow, and the software being developed wouldn't probably be used by anyone running less than P4, considering the product would be launched another year later. That's why I was thinking of buying something dual core type, with some OK processor. In fact, if I have to throw out the procy, and mobo, why not get AMD/ASUS, at least better performance/cost ratio...

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

offtopic : ^^ so its basically for your work ??
when its for business never regret !! buy a new comp !! excel in your business !

[Choto Cheeta]

8k..

tough.... Very tough...

See what u can Manage is,

AMD Sempron 3000+ / 2800+ @ Rs. 1200/- + TAX
Cheap VIA Chipset based Motherboard @ Rs. 1500/- + TAX
512 MB DDR-II 667 MHz @ Rs. 1000/- + TAX
Cabi + SMPS (as ur old one will not going to do) Rs. 1200/- + TAX

Total @ Rs. 6500/- incl TAX 4%

But really tell me, is that worth of update to u ??

[niladrisde]

I completely agree Choto_Cheeta, and add the wireless card on top of that, and it easily becomes 8k+ with tax. Plus as because it's for business, I have to buy Windows XP Home license, which is 6k?

I believe I have to raise my hardware budget to 10k/11k. If that still sounds not descent, please suggest, as because I don't have much idea about different mobos, and their prices, and compatibility with the processors...

And just to quickly reply to aks_win, yes budget hurts, when you know you have to run from your pocket, for another year... :-(

[Choto Cheeta]

I believe I have to raise my hardware budget to 10k/11k. If that still sounds not descent, please suggest, as because I don't have much idea about different mobos, and their prices, and compatibility with the processors...

well in that Budget range you dont need to know much about Better Config, its just asking the Vendor to give u some thing which will allow you to go as low as possible..

:lol:

what we can do from here is just advicing you to select the type :p thats it... :lol:

Plus as because it's for business, I have to buy Windows XP Home license, which is 6k?

Windows XP SP2 Pro is Rs. 6.5k + TAX

!!!!

[niladrisde]

First of all, thanks.

But, you think, even if I have to buy just the mobo, procy, RAM, and the wireless card, it is not possible within 10k/11k? In an earlier post you only mentioned a complete system, for just 16k odd with tax...? I am naive, and just asking... :-|

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^

Exclude the Windows XP from that Budget, we can suggest and compile pretty decent config under that then :D

AMD X2 3600+ 1MB L2 Socket AM2 @ Rs. 2700/-
MSI K9AMG2 (AMD 690v Chipset with ATi x1200 onboard) @ Rs. 2400/-
1 GB DDR-II @ Rs. 1900/-
Cabi + SMPS @ Rs. 1200/-

Total Rs. 9932/- incl 4% VAT Kolkata...

:)

[niladrisde]

Oh, sorry of course, as I mentioned 10k/11k is just the Hardware budget, Win XP I have budgeted for, separately... Sorry I should have mentioned it clearly.

I just want decent mobo, procy, RAM, Wireless card, and a cabbi, if possible under 10k range.... :-)

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^^

I have Edited the Post so U missed it :lol: anyway its 9932/- all incl but yeah U need to add another 1k either for the PCI Wifi Card or for the USB Wifi adapter !!!

[niladrisde]

Excellent!! I can't really thank you enough choto_cheetah!

In fact I already bought a system by following your advice from your first post in this thread (AMD X2 64 4000+/AMD M2A-VM/250GB Sata2/Kingston 1GB DDR2 800/LG DVD-RW/Colorsit 450 + Cabi/PCI Wireless Card/Logitech Wireless Kb-M/Local UPS), for 32.5k incl. Tax. Lots of thanks for your valuable advices.

[Choto Cheeta]

Welcome...

and It would be helpful you if please break that config up with detailed pricing product by product here, http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45694

thnkx

[niladrisde]

Surely will do... (didn't know such a thread existed) ;-)

[rollcage]

Hey,

Just today I got a PC assembled for my friend,
basic config, simple usage, and occasionally Oracle, 3D Max usage.

AMD X2 4000+ & Gigabyte GA-MA69VM-S2 (Specs (http://www.gigabyte.in/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2500&ModelName=GA-MA69VM-S2)) - Rs. 6350

512*2 Transcend 667 - 2100
Sony DVD Writer - 1500
Viewsonic 19" WideScreen - 9200
Hitachi 160SATA2
FDD, normal cabinet & powersupply
Logitech Combo - 680
..

My question is .. I had a option of MSI nvidia 6100 board and this Gigabyte AMD 690 board. . gigabyte 400rs expensive
and ASUS with nvidia chipset was more expensive.

I went for gigabyte bcoz it had 4 RAM slots not 2, (better in case of upgrade)
and shared video support upto 256mb.

> Was that correct decision? ya I have taken it, but want to know whats right.
> Which one has upper hand nvidia or AMD chipset?

Regards

[sagargv]

amd 690G has the advantage . the nvidia chipset is quite old

[mukherjee]

well guys..i need to BUY a new display for my pc.

my config is:

c2d e6420
xfx 650i ultra
2gigs ddr2 667
xfx 8600gt 256
cm 500 extreme
300gb sata 2 +all other bla bla....

i am confused whether to buy a flat crt or an lcd(budget-max 10-12k)

i will be playing games,all the latest ones(with some eye candy on,of cous!:D).

now pushing my rig to 1280*1024(native resolution of 17'' lcd)gaming wud send the frame rates skyrocketting earthwards....well dats wat i think!

now what should i get? a 17'' crt or a 15''/17'' lcd??

can the 17'' lcd support 1024*768 gaming without compromise on visual quality?

now for an lcd,it must have 5ms response time and high contrast ratio(>500:1) EDIT::i need gud brightness too..>300cd/m^2 and low dot pitch....i think that will be good for gaming.

now tell me,wat shud i do?

[go4saket]

Just read in PC World that Intel Q6600 is now available for Rs.11000/-. Is that true... Moreover, there is a lot of gush about the new 45nm processors that are about to release by this year end. Is this going to be quite superior to the present 65nm on grounds of performance. I actually want to buy a PC but if the upcoming technology is going to be way better, I would better wait rather buying something that is about to die...

[Choto Cheeta]

i am confused whether to buy a flat crt or an lcd(budget-max 10-12k)

My suggestion View Soniq VX1932WM available at Rs. 10050/- + TAX Kolkata....

Just read in PC World that Intel Q6600 is now available for Rs.11000/-. Is that true...

They are available but not actually Rs. 11k here at Kolkata some 12.7k + TAX...

[S!D]

Buddies,
I have sold off my old dinosaur a few months back and need ur assistance and guide on my next purchase.
I did do a bit of digging and with my limited knowledge came up with this list:

AMD X2 5200~2.6Ghz~2MB L2 Cache :: The Cheapest AMD with 2MB L2 Cache
Asus M2N-E (non SLI) :: Cheapest ASUS Mobo with a thermal pipe design+nforce 570 Ultra+8channel audio
Transcend 1GB DDR II 800Mhz :: Plan to add another one later for going dual channel
Seagate 160GB SATA II
ASUS DVD RW
Zeb Bijli+Zeb Platinum 400W PSU (or probably CoolerMaster Extreme 500W if I can afford it )
Viewsonic 19" Wide VA1912wb with DVI input.
Budget is 30k(+-3K)

:) Eagerly awaiting comments and suggessions:)

[Choto Cheeta]

Budget Sir, your Budget please... thats the most Infortant thing along with what will be ur use ??

[S!D]

Budget is around 30k +-3k as per need

Want to build a mid-range gaming rig.
I was into full time gaming at the time when Unreal Tournament 2004 was launched.
Doom3 was the last game I played and it run decently on my last system.
But I have been out of touch and out of station ever since..

And I guess today's games like FEAR, etc. wud be quite a handful.

[mukherjee]

Budget is around 30k +-3k as per need

Want to build a mid-range gaming rig.
I was into full time gaming at the time when Unreal Tournament 2004 was launched.
Doom3 was the last game I played and it run decently on my last system.
But I have been out of touch and out of station ever since..

And I guess today's games like FEAR, etc. wud be quite a handful.

i will let saurav do the honours...:D

but sure man..u will need a grafix card...say an XFX 8600GT 256 MB...should suffice for ur needs if u dont put in much of eye candy...

[Choto Cheeta]

i will let saurav do the honours...:D

but sure man..u will need a graix card...say an XFX 8600GT 256 MB...should suffice for ur needs if u dont put in much of eye candy...

Come on...

Post your views naa... :D

yes certainly i would try my one too, but you too please post your View...

[mukherjee]

My suggestion View Soniq VX1932WM available at Rs. 10050/- + TAX Kolkata....


Thanks..but tell me one thing..do these lcd displays support any resolution below their native ones?will there be any glitches or performance hits then? i have xfx geforce 8600gt..will dat suffice for my gaming needds at native resloutions or do i need to tone down the resoluition?

[Choto Cheeta]

Thanks..but tell me one thing..do these lcd displays support any resolution below their native ones?will there be any glitches or performance hits then? i have xfx geforce 8600gt..will dat suffice for my gaming needds at native resloutions or do i need to tone down the resoluition?

Certainly they support !!! run under DVI Interface for better performance on Changing resolution... :D

@S!D

My personal Opinion...

New Intel Dual Core E2140 @ Rs. 2800/- TAX
ASUS P5N-E Sli (650i) Rs. 7000/- TAX
Kingstone / Transcend 2 x 1 GB DDR-II @ Rs. 3800/- TAX
DVD RW @ Rs. 1300/- TAX
160 GB SATA-II @ Rs. 2000/- TAX
XFX 8400 GS (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65606) @ Rs. 2600/- TAX
Cabi + ColorSit 450 watts @ Rs. 1800/- TAX
View Sonic 19" @ Rs. 9000/- TAX
Keyboard Mouse Microsoft Combo 700 @ Rs. 750/- TAX

TAX @ 4% Rs. 1242

Total is 32292 incl TAX

Now lets annalys it...

The New Intel Dual Cores are really hell of a processors... :D Developed on came core acritecture.... :D basically I would say a strip down version of Core 2 Duo Processors but in some really eye cacthing price... it will on stock out performe up to 4000 X2 with ease... and reports suggests that its a hell of a Overclocker, people do 85 to 100 % oc on intel stock cooling and when that high it will take on any AMD range :p

but for ur needs even 15% OC will be enough to compete agaisnt 5200 :D... this is a really vaule for money processors from Intel...

Why P5N-E SLi over XFX 650i ?? simple because no support for 45mn :p though ever you may not buy a 45mn at present but when you feel (that too in distance future) u will have option to remove the E2140 and replace it with a really Cheaper C2D or a Low end 45 mn processor... :D

Well 2 GB will be good to run under Dual Channel...

now for grfx Card I chose 8400 as at present will allow u to run FEAR under 800x600 with some what high settings... !!! but u may not be able to play BioShock on that 800 with high settings, but that too should run under mid settings !!! :D

but this platform will allow to to add a better card when u can gather some more money for a better card, may be a 9xxx later on after 6 month !!!

I feel this is a platform which is very flexible on upgarding options so later on in future u will not face much problem adding stuff :D

[mukherjee]

hmm.i agree wid u sourav....the above config luks gud!real gud!
u type so fast...now dats y i left the config upto u bro...keep it comming!!8)

one question:::does the dvi port give better performance than analog input?and if I game at lower resolutions than native..will dat cause performance issues?

[Choto Cheeta]

one question:::does the dvi port give better performance than analog input?and if the game at lower resolutions than native..will dat cause performance issues?

for ur information, DVI is better than Analog Inteface... !!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface

and games will peforme Better under lower resolution with Lower end GRFX Cards :D :lol: :lol:

@ S!D

Forgor to Write...

Here is a Quick Look at 8400 GS 256MB :D http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65606

[mukherjee]

for ur information, DVI is better than Analog Inteface... !!!
and games will peforme Better under lower resolution with Lower end GRFX Cards :D :lol: :lol:



well,choto..can i have the specs of your rig?:lol:

[Choto Cheeta]

Because of Cafe Chain, u may say i have quite a few, but which is my personal at my Room is,

E6600 @ 3.6 GHz (Will step down to 1.6 GHz)
ThermalRight Ultra 120 eXtreme with Panflo 120 mm ultra High speed fan
P5N-E SLi
ATi x1600 Pro (will shift to 8400 GS)
4 GB DDR-II 667 MHz @ 700 MHz
Pinnacle TV Tuner KIT
250 GB SATA-II 8 MB BUffer
250 GB SATA-II 16 mb buffer
80 GB SATA-I
80 GB PATA
Sony DVD RW
SAMSUNG DVD ROM
Large Mecury Cabinet (4 yrl old) (Highly Modified with Cooling FANs 2 120mm ext and few smaller cabinet fans)
ColorSit 500 Watts
Techcom 350 watts for the Cabi FANs
TVS Gold (10 yrl old)
Microsoft Mouse
5.1 Creative (will shift to 2.1 4 yrl old NEC SPk)
View Soniq vg1930wm (may Shift to vx1932wm)
APC 500 VA with 2 extra Rocket Battery for a 3 hours Backup onload

!!!

Thats it i suppose in my home PC now...

now why I will shift becasue to save power :lol: paying 500 etar on each bill because of these moster running that 1st !!! so as I a not a pro gamer will shift the ATi Card to any or the cafe servers :p and me will use 8400 GS !!! will run under clocked at 1.6 GHz to save power !!! so no more high stuff so no more heat, so can swicth of the techcom... LCD too saves a tons of power :D... but once again, when ever i need with a simple reboot and load of BIOS Profile will allow me to run at top performacne :D

but for 24x7 i prefer the power saving mode !!!!

[mukherjee]

well...dats one hell of a rig bro...
btw...at wat resolution do ya drive ur lcd?

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^

native 1440x900.... !!!

:)

[shantanu]

@invisible_devil ;; oh i mean choto_devil oh i mean little_devil oh ho choto_cheetah : great config bro.. and everything double.. r u single ?:D:D:D

lolzz (sorry for a SPAM)

[Choto Cheeta]

^^

yeah yeah... u see 1st off all Me tooo was like u jumping.... now when I see the bills and Family shouting beacasue of the Bill its cause :lol: I have to work double hard than making the config to take action to reduce the power bills :(

[mukherjee]

^^

yeah yeah... u see 1st off all Me tooo was like u jumping.... now when I see the bills and Family shouting beacasue of the Bill its cause :lol: I have to work double hard than making the config to take action to reduce the power bills :(

nice job den bro.native resolutions eh?
tell me,hw long will my 8600gt last on the 19'' wide viewsonic u suggested?can i be able to play at native 1440*900?

[Choto Cheeta]

^^

well not many games go that high... :p 1280 would be limit for many games... those which will support that high may not allow you to run full settings turned on to high on that higher Resolutiuon...

Dont expect BioShock to run on ur highest resolition with high settings on 8600 !!!!

[mukherjee]

^^

well not many games go that high... :p 1280 would be limit for many games... those which will support that high may not allow you to run full settings turned on to high on that higher Resolutiuon...

Dont expect BioShock to run on ur highest resolition with high settings on 8600 !!!!

may be i shud do well to stick to a plain vanilla flat 17'' CRT..read a lot abt scaling issues in LCD...wen u are downsizing from native resolution...the loss of quality is quite unnacceptable they say...

[S!D]

Well, i've been with intel for the past 6years:rolleyes: and really wanted to give AMD a shot on this one.:D (My first PC was a P4 1.8 and the next one a p4 2.4)
And I dont wanna go Intel unless I'm goin for a conroe C2D probably the E6750 :wink: (then again, thats waaay outta reach)
maybe sometime in future i might go in for a Quad core:rolleyes: once that is available(and most importantly affordable:D )
moreover, i am not int OCing, so that is out of the question.

Plus, fill me in; when compared to the output performance of a basic 3800, how much is the 5200 feasable on a cost-to-power ratio.
or given the bottlenecks of the RAM/MOBO, wud the 5200 really score big compared to the 3800 :confused: , if so then how much?

i wud add a grfx card later. waiting for more funds to come in, so i dont need to settle down for a budget card. wud probably get one in october.

[Choto Cheeta]

5200 is certainly far better procy than 3800 I would say till 4200 its better to buy 3800 over them... but even when buying 4400 i would still say 3800 is a better buy over that...

But 4800 or latter is certainly out performace the bellow ones a gr8 deal...

and for the config, I gave my best shot... !!! thought thats what Best in my opinion for Budget or 30/33k :)

[S!D]

i already own a Logitech MX revolution.(currently flaunted by 'sabre' until i get my own rig;) ).

would u know what wud be a good wireless keyboard under 2k (thats apart from the aforestated budget)

@choto
yaar kuch comment to karo on my stated config..
if possib outline y each seperate component is good/bad (i am starting off from scrach here:( , and i really need help from u guys on understanding this game better:) ) it wud help me in making a more decided choice.

I did some digging on the config u gave, and boss i'm getting a big thumbs up:) . But i have heard so much about AMDs that I think my computing experience wud be incomplete without ever tryin one:D

Also, wud any non-C2D proccy (without overclocking) be able to give better perf than the AMD 5200:confused:

[Pathik]

considering the lil price diff a 6750 can really kick the 5200+.. Not to mention the extra 2mb l2

[S!D]

:idea: Good point:idea:

I dont really wanna settle down for a compromise, but I wanna make sure that the amount of technology I buy can actually be utilised.

I mean, ur PC just runs just as fast as your slowest component.
So I want a fast processor, but I wanna make sure that the accompanying components at present (and the ones added later), actually utilise the delivered power.

So, let's start from scratch:o ,

:arrow: My budget is 30k.
Out of this I have set aside:
Rs 1,700 for Zeb Bijli Cabby
Rs 1,500 for DVD-RW
Rs 9,600 (Approx as per last pricing) for Viewsonic 19" LCD with DVI input
Already have Mouse+Keyboard+Speakers and will add the Grfx card later due to budget constraint.

So I am left with 17,200 to buy:

:!: A Good proccy
:!: A Good MOBO (non SLI)
:!: 1GB DDR II 800Mhz RAM
:!: 160GB SATA II HDD
:!: 500W PSU with comparably better true output
(I am excluding the vat, I have a 3k buffer for that)

Could U guys please suggest on this

[Choto Cheeta]

Now for 17,200

Here is what I can think of,

ColorSit 500 Watts @ Rs. 1600/- + TAX
160 GB SATA-II (8mb buffer) Rs. 2000/- + TAX
1GB DDR-II 800 MHz Rs. 2200/- + TAX

Lowest Mobo which makes sense would be XFX 650i Ultra Rs. 5000/- + TAX

That Left us Rs. 6400 ....

C2D Processors in that range would be E4400 !!!

Now tell me, if you compare that above with my previuoslly suggested Config, as overall which Looks Better ??


@S!D

My personal Opinion...

New Intel Dual Core E2140 @ Rs. 2800/- TAX
ASUS P5N-E Sli (650i) Rs. 7000/- TAX
Kingstone / Transcend 2 x 1 GB DDR-II @ Rs. 3800/- TAX
DVD RW @ Rs. 1300/- TAX
160 GB SATA-II @ Rs. 2000/- TAX
XFX 8400 GS (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65606) @ Rs. 2600/- TAX
Cabi + ColorSit 450 watts @ Rs. 1800/- TAX
View Sonic 19" @ Rs. 9000/- TAX
Keyboard Mouse Microsoft Combo 700 @ Rs. 750/- TAX

TAX @ 4% Rs. 1242

Total is 32292 incl TAX

[vineetrocks2005]

I want to but a new PC mainly for using high end softwares such as 3ds MAX, Maya etc. My budget is around 30-35K & I want atleast 4GB of RAM & 250 GB HDD. Please help me ??

Thank You :)

[MasterMinds]

u have to compromize on graphics in this budget

[vineetrocks2005]

I can invest 5K on an entry level Graphics Card... not more than that...

[sagargv]

:idea: Good point:idea:

I dont really wanna settle down for a compromise, but I wanna make sure that the amount of technology I buy can actually be utilised.

I mean, ur PC just runs just as fast as your slowest component.
So I want a fast processor, but I wanna make sure that the accompanying components at present (and the ones added later), actually utilise the delivered power.

So, let's start from scratch:o ,

:arrow: My budget is 30k.
Out of this I have set aside:
Rs 1,700 for Zeb Bijli Cabby
Rs 1,500 for DVD-RW
Rs 9,600 (Approx as per last pricing) for Viewsonic 19" LCD with DVI input
Already have Mouse+Keyboard+Speakers and will add the Grfx card later due to budget constraint.

So I am left with 17,200 to buy:

:!: A Good proccy
:!: A Good MOBO (non SLI)
:!: 1GB DDR II 800Mhz RAM
:!: 160GB SATA II HDD
:!: 500W PSU with comparably better true output
(I am excluding the vat, I have a 3k buffer for that)

Could U guys please suggest on this

if u intend on upgrading ur proccy when 45nm intel proccy's come out , then its better to take choto's old suggestion and buy E2140 . if u dont intend on upgrading ur proccy next year , better to compromise on that TFT and buy a CRT and go4 e6750 . .ur other components like the g-card wont bottleneck the 6750 . besides that , even if a component is getting bottlenecked , it'll perform usually better than a lower priced model ( for example i have a p4 HT 3 Ghz i know its bottlenecking my 8600GT , but never the less i know that the 8500GT wont perform to the level of 8600GT on my rig , so although there is a bottleneck , its the better choice .) . since ur buying the g-card later , chances are more that the cpu bottlenecks the g-card and not the other way around . so no point in going for a lower powered amd now. .

[sagargv]

dont u need a super costly quadro fx or fire GL for that purpose ? how will even the g-card fit in that budget ??

[vineetrocks2005]

ok...now i an increasing my budget to 45K.not more than that...plaese help ??

[wizrulz]

I guess U missed this STICKY

BASIC GUIDE TO PURCHASE A PC (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63874)

[shantanu]

@vineet : try to search before posting... creating new threads is easy, but you can contribute a lil bit by searching on topic.. you are a old member , with more then 1.6 years in this forum.

threads merged

[Choto Cheeta]

I want to but a new PC mainly for using high end softwares such as 3ds MAX, Maya etc. My budget is around 30-35K & I want atleast 4GB of RAM & 250 GB HDD. Please help me ??

Thank You :)

Do you need a full config incl Monitor SKP and UPS of just the CPU (Procy + Mobo + RAM + GRFX + HDD + etc) ??

[Pathik]

@shantanu y did u merge the threads... its not a sticky anymore and also the title has changed to that of the 2nd one..

[shantanu]

i think its ok now :)

[S!D]

Now for 17,200

Here is what I can think of,

ColorSit 500 Watts @ Rs. 1600/- + TAX
160 GB SATA-II (8mb buffer) Rs. 2000/- + TAX
1GB DDR-II 800 MHz Rs. 2200/- + TAX

Lowest Mobo which makes sense would be XFX 650i Ultra Rs. 5000/- + TAX

That Left us Rs. 6400 ....

C2D Processors in that range would be E4400 !!!



Brilliant!!
Just edges the cut.

Just with the processor:rolleyes:, I heard from Sabre that the C2D 4series are not based on a Conroe Core against the 6series, and this makes quite a striking difference in performance.

Given the platform you stated above, do you think its better to stretch to a E6550, or would that be just overkill of power with no practical deliverance:confused:

Comment...

if u intend on upgrading ur proccy when 45nm intel proccy's come out , then its better to take choto's old suggestion and buy E2140.
I only intend add on more components to upgrade, rather than scrapping off any :p .

if u dont intend on upgrading ur proccy next year , better to compromise on that TFT and buy a CRT and go4 e6750.
No can do there:D , crazy abt watchin movies on a 19" wide. I watched a cuple on Sabre's rig n they look pretty stunning.
...ur other components like the g-card wont bottleneck the 6750.
I hear u there. right now doin some serious calculations wid budget, between an E6550 and E6750:confused: . I wish I had a better salary:mad: .
since ur buying the g-card later , chances are more that the cpu bottlenecks the g-card and not the other way around . so no point in going for a lower powered amd now. .
Point taken..thinking on the lines of C2D now. Jai ho 'Intel Baba' ki. Hum firse ghar aa gaya (to intel base).

[sagargv]

@s!d , i hope u have a pcie card at present . coz the xfx 650i doesnt have onboard gfx . i'm pretty certain u took that into consideration and u have a existing pcie / pci card to run ur rig . i'm sorry, i dont know the differences b/w 4 and 6 series in c2d . but i'm sure 6 series will perform better and thats wat matters now. and surely enough 6550 wont be a overkill. as per theitwares.com 6550 is priced at 7500 bucks which will slightly exceed ur budget , but its worth it . i wud prefer it over any 4 series c2d . i think its worth 1k stretch in ur budget. and i dont think e6750 will be much better than e6550 .so i vote for e6550 as u have budget constraint . u can OC e6550 beyond the level of stock 6750 easily . i'm pretty sure of this point , but i wud like some1 to second this thought .

[Pathik]

Get a e6750 + a xfx 650i Ultra..
Also yea the 4xxx s are Allendales not Conroe cores...
IF i was you i wd take a e2140 or 2160 for now and upgrade to a 45nm proccy later.. the 21x0s are awesome overclockers... So you can experiment with them too..

[S!D]

@s!d , i hope u have a pcie card at present . coz the xfx 650i doesnt have onboard gfx . i'm pretty certain u took that into consideration and u have a existing pcie / pci card to run ur rig.
Oopsie:eek:, wasnt aware of this detail. Dats gonna be a problem.
The reason I dont wanna get a grfx card right now, is that i want a descent dx10 card to come within range. N i dont plan to go SLI any time soon:D .. so a non-sli MOBO with onboard grfx is needed. any good one's u can suggest probably:rolleyes: ?
i dont think e6750 will be much better than e6550 .so i vote for e6550 as u have budget constraint . u can OC e6550 beyond the level of stock 6750 easily . i'm pretty sure of this point , but i wud like some1 to second this thought .
I am not into overclocking. at least I dont wanna do it on my own PC:D.

[Pathik]

If you dont wanna overclock then get an Intel original board.. they ll be cheap... Get a DG965RY or a DG33BU..

[S!D]

Get a e6750 + a xfx 650i Ultra..
Also yea the 4xxx s are Allendales not Conroe cores...
IF i was you i wd take a e2140 or 2160 for now and upgrade to a 45nm proccy later..
How long until the 45nm proccy's are launched(and more importantly, are affordable; ie, under 10k)?

[Harvik780]

How long until the 45nm proccy's are launched(and more importantly, are affordable; ie, under 10k)?
@Help is here said that they would be released somewhere around November.I m sure there will be some lower end models which will come under 10k.

[Choto Cheeta]

@Help is here said that they would be released somewhere around November.I m sure there will be some lower end models which will come under 10k.

well I feeel expect JAN 2008 in Indian Market to see 45mns... as before that we will have a huge sell of C2D 65nms.. thats what I am interested in, 6k for E6850 wont be a bad deal :lol:

but again may Be i am flying a high hope :lol:

[sagargv]

Oopsie:eek:, wasnt aware of this detail. Dats gonna be a problem.
The reason I dont wanna get a grfx card right now, is that i want a descent dx10 card to come within range. N i dont plan to go SLI any time soon:D .. so a non-sli MOBO with onboard grfx is needed. any good one's u can suggest probably:rolleyes: ?

I am not into overclocking. at least I dont wanna do it on my own PC:D.

even if u dont OC now , u'll have to do it eventually to get more juice . and remember that c2d's are very good OCers . u can get performance gains from 25% - 80% ( from wat i've read ) . so its better to opt for a board that allows OCing . If u still prefer to not OC , then take e6750 + d965RY or d33BU ( dunno which is better amongst them ) . asus board p5k - vm has onboard gfx and supports 1333mhz and ofcorse supports OCing but is terrible buy at 8k . much better to go4 xfx 650i + some cheap ( cheapest in ur case ) gfx card like 6200 .

now ,
1. u're having second thots abt new 45nm processors , so wats it going to be , e2140 or e6550 ??

2. Are u very very sure abt OCing . the mobo issue gets resolved if u dont OC , but puts u at a significant disadvantage in performance ( its quite possible that u can OC ur e6550 to nearly 3.4 ghz or even more , so thats quite a big increase in speed , consider this well and ask others . ) and although there is some risk involved in OCing , its not very risky unless u do extreme OC . u can OC pretty easily with stock cooling to a safe level and still get recognizable performance increase . so , ask others and think about this again .

3.now u need to spend 2k for a cheap gfx card (i dont know if cheaper are there and this is ofcourse u stick with xfx 650i in wich case i have assumed u want to keep the option of OCing open)and +1k from ur budget already for e6550 . so can u increase ur budget by 3k ?

[mukherjee]

k people..i m on a buying spree...:D

now wat i need is a dvd-writer.

i have zeroed in on SONY-> DRU830A and LiteOn-> LH-20A1P. which one shud i go for and why? wat will be the approximate price?

do i need to get a lightscribe writer? in dat case we have the DRU-835A and the DH-20A3H?prices?choices?

so wats the final decision?wat do i do?

[Choto Cheeta]

DVD RW ?? all comes with One year Warrenty so to me go for the cheaper ones :p no need to spend money on those Sony RW :p

Liteon Rs. 1300/- + TAX is my choise !!!

[mukherjee]

hey choto...comment about my vm prob in the vitualizers thread plz.

n..yes i think liteon. i hv got a tool which disables RPCII for liteon drives he ehe ..:D:D

[Pathik]

^^ but that ll void the warranty dude.. Also dru 830a is only 1.4k now.. Go 4 it.

[mayanks_098]

my two friends are buying pc's.
one's budget is 20k and others is 30k.both can not go beyond the budget.

suggest a rig.mediocre gaming(not high level)

(http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=582592)

[Choto Cheeta]

tell me, in both case do you need full config ?? i mean including Spk + UPS + Monitor or its just the CPU you are looking for ??

[mayanks_098]

i want a complete pc.

but speakers are not to be included in rig.


and one more thing,i dont think if they opt for @least e6300 then they will get others hardware good enough.i mean if they get a e6300 then they need a good mobo to support it and that would cost them @least 15-20k i suppose,which will leave little for other things in 30k rig and nothing in case of 20k..

so in that case is suggesting p4-ht,athlons better then lower end c2d'd like e4400?

P.S.
and sorry for that thread again.that was irresponsible on part of mine.
actually i dont have my specs with me right now so dint care to look for the stickies.

[Choto Cheeta]

For 20k !!!

AMD X2 3600+ (1MB L2) @ Rs. 2700/- + TAX
MSI K9AGM2 @ Rs. 2400/- + TAX
160 GB SATA-II @ Rs. 2000/- + TAX
1 GB DDR-II @ Rs. 3800/- + TAX
Cabinet + SMPS @ Rs. 1200/- + TAX
LG CRT 17" @ Rs. 4300/- + TAX
Keyboard Mouse Microsoft Desptop pro @ Rs. 750/- + TAX
UPS Local Brand @ Rs. 1400/- + TAX

TAX @ 4% Rs. 742

Total Rs. 19292/-

Now here I chose 2 GB RAM as I felt woulddd be good for running vista and stuff as u will stay onboard... but some would like to have a bigger HDD !!! so u may change the RAM to 1 GB to allow a 320 GB HDD !!!


for 30k PC config, already one is posted.... here http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=580288&postcount=336

[mayanks_098]

For 20k !!!

AMD X2 3600+ (1MB L2) @ Rs. 2700/- + TAX
MSI K9AGM2 @ Rs. 2400/- + TAX
160 GB SATA-II @ Rs. 2000/- + TAX
1 GB DDR-II @ Rs. 3800/- + TAX
Cabinet + SMPS @ Rs. 1200/- + TAX
LG CRT 17" @ Rs. 4300/- + TAX
Keyboard Mouse Microsoft Desptop pro @ Rs. 750/- + TAX
UPS Local Brand @ Rs. 1400/- + TAX

TAX @ 4% Rs. 742

Total Rs. 19292/-

Now here I chose 2 GB RAM as I felt woulddd be good for running vista and stuff as u will stay onboard... but some would like to have a bigger HDD !!! so u may change the RAM to 1 GB to allow a 320 GB HDD !!!


for 30k PC config, already one is posted.... here http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=580288&postcount=336


dude you quoted 3800 for 1gig ddr2 ram.
another thing is that he will want a dvd rw too.fit it sumwer.
and will that msi mobo have suffficient onboard grfx so as to support so so games?

and sata 2 is not sumthing very great i think.not much of performance diff afaik.you tell

EDIT:
and also suggest a mobo for athlon x2 4400+
and is that New Intel Dual Core E2140 @ Rs. 2800/- TAX really good.i mean not better if we get x2 4400+ and even drop that 8400gs?

[S!D]

even if u dont OC now , u'll have to do it eventually to get more juice. and remember that c2d's are very good OCers. u can get performance gains from 25% - 80% ( from wat i've read )so its better to opt for a board that allows OCing.
:arrow:Understood and agreed:)
If u still prefer to not OC , then take e6750 + d965RY or d33BU ( dunno which is better amongst them ) . asus board p5k - vm has onboard gfx and supports 1333mhz and ofcorse supports OCing but is terrible buy at 8k . much better to go4 xfx 650i + some cheap ( cheapest in ur case ) gfx card like 6200 .
the 650i is outta the question if it doesnt have integrated graphics. since, i am not compromising on the graphics card whenever i buy it:cool: ; and right now, considering the budget, i better wait:rolleyes: .
but i believe ASUS/MSI/XFX make better MOBOs than Intel(in the same price range) any day. so I am not compromising on the MOBO as well.
In short, I am more ready to wait and accumulate more budget, than buy a compromise.
1. u're having second thots abt new 45nm processors , so wats it going to be , e2140 or e6550?
He He!! not like I may be able to afford them, but as Choto Cheeta rightly stated, with them coming in, my caviare of a 6750 wud get cheaper:D.
Question is, can I really wait that long:rolleyes:.
And if I am going in for an Intel, its not going to be anything less than a C2D E6600. The budget, I guess, must be stretched. As this is my passion and I will never hugely compromise on power for a few k's. It just stretches the wait by a few more payslips:(.

[Choto Cheeta]

My Miss take its 2 GB RAM

and u wont find SATA-II now days !!! its all SATA-II any thing or above 160GB is SATA-II now days...

yes there 16mb ones and 8 mb ones in buffer size for u, 8 mb is good enough...

so I would suggest 1 GB (Rs. 1900/-) and then u can fit one DVD RW Liteon Rs. 1300 in that config... for 4400 still I wuld say K9AGM2 but if u can aford then M2A-VM (Rs. 3800/- + TAX) or ASUS M2NPV-VM :D (Rs. 4200/- + TAX)

[sagargv]

:arrow:Understood and agreed:)

the 650i is outta the question if it doesnt have integrated graphics. since, i am not compromising on the graphics card whenever i buy it:cool: ; and right now, considering the budget, i better wait:rolleyes: .
but i believe ASUS/MSI/XFX make better MOBOs than Intel(in the same price range) any day. so I am not compromising on the MOBO as well.
In short, I am more ready to wait and accumulate more budget, than buy a compromise.

He He!! not like I may be able to afford them, but as Choto Cheeta rightly stated, with them coming in, my caviare of a 6750 wud get cheaper:D.
Question is, can I really wait that long:rolleyes:.
And if I am going in for an Intel, its not going to be anything less than a C2D E6600. The budget, I guess, must be stretched. As this is my passion and I will never hugely compromise on power for a few k's. It just stretches the wait by a few more payslips:(.

yes, its best to wait and extend ur budget in the meantime . and dont bother with e6600 , 1. i dont think its price reduced 2. 1066mhz FSB . e6750 is better and cheaper . keep an eye on the prices and in 2 months i think u'll get wat u wanted . and hey , i'm not asking u to compromise on the g-card. i just wanted u to buy a cheap g-card now and buy the fast buggy in ur budget in december or whenvever , thats all . now that u've decided to wait , keep coming to the forum and check out the latest happenings . i hope i didnt cause u unnecessary confusion . happy gaming and movie watching in advance.

[S!D]

yes, its best to wait and extend ur budget in the meantime . and dont bother with e6600 , 1. i dont think its price reduced 2. 1066mhz FSB . e6750 is better and cheaper . keep an eye on the prices and in 2 months i think u'll get wat u wanted.
Well, yes the wait sure seems worthwhile:oops:...but it would be very difficult for me to survive 2 months without a comp:cry:. I guess I wud be getting it somewhere in mid September and try n get a loan to pump the budget to 40k. That should put me in safe ground to get a descent rig.
..and hey , i'm not asking u to compromise on the g-card. i just wanted u to buy a cheap g-card now and buy the fast buggy in ur budget in december or whenvever , thats all .
I get wat u mean, I dont mind make-doin with a simple card now. But the problem is, the 2k spent on the graphics card will go down the drain come November when I get a good one:? . And I guess a 2k card wont have any resale value:-P . and come to think of it, thats the price of a 1GB RAM:shock: .
now that u've decided to wait , keep coming to the forum and check out the latest happenings . i hope i didnt cause u unnecessary confusion . happy gaming and movie watching in advance.
:confused:confusion:confused:??
buddy, u helped me clear most of the confusions i had :).
its better to read more n make a more decided choice, than regret later when it is too late.

[sagargv]

glad u think so .

[ankushkool]

is it better 2 get 2GB ram insted of 1GB or 256MB dedicated gpu inted of 128MB?????????

[john_the_ultimate]

@saurav
Finally got the second replacement for XFX 650i ULTRA and thank god it is working fine. I have all the 4 modules up and running (1gb*4).

[Harvik780]

is it better 2 get 2GB ram insted of 1GB or 256MB dedicated gpu inted of 128MB?????????
Its better to have 2 sticks of 1 GB ram in order to have dual channel configuration for maximum performance.Yes its better to have a 256MB video card rather than 128MB so that u can store more textures in video memory in texture intensive applications.

[sagargv]

is it better 2 get 2GB ram insted of 1GB or 256MB dedicated gpu inted of 128MB?????????

which gpu ? thats important . neway i wud prefer 2 gb of ram , generally speaking if u have a old gpu &/or old cpu.

[go4saket]

Ok, now tell me, which is the best motherboard that suits Intel Core 2 Quad 6600. Please recommend me one motherboard in which I can add a PCI-e graphics card and one in which there is already good enough integrated graphics so as to support most of the recent games.

[Choto Cheeta]

P5K-VM around Rs. 7500/- + TAX comes with Support to C2Q and onboard x3100 also allows you to upgrade to better PCI-E Card later on.... :)

[sagargv]

^ its got a pcie 1.1 when will those mobo's based on x38 chipset supporting pcie 2.0 be launched . ofcorse , no point in waiting as current cards only max out pcie 1.1 bandwidth . but then again , i heard 9800 and upcoming gpu's will max out the pcie 2.0 bandwidth .wat do u suppose is best ?

[Choto Cheeta]

there is no end of up coming techonology... !!! So buy the best Vaule for money product, and P5K-VM is one Value for money right now.... :D

[sagargv]

but y kick urself IF u can wait for another month ? heard they're releasing new borads in sept. but yes, i completely agree with u . but wat do u say if u knew they're coming next month ?

[Choto Cheeta]

quite honestlly i would have still bought P5K-VM, even X38 based ones with support for new gen 9xxx based cards comes out with next month still they would have been out of my budget :p

:lol:

There is no end of new Technology and no end of waiting, but certainly if the new Technology is suppose to be cheaper than old one, then its worth to wait :p

[sagargv]

which brings us at last to the moment of truth , wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed and the anomaly revealed as the question whether the new mobo's are within my budget or not . As adequately put ,the problem is choice . But we already know wat u're going to say , dont we ?

< copied this from matrix reloaded subtitles , the part where Neo speaks with the architect of the matrix . just remembered it when re-reading ur and my posts and ur avataar . how do u like it ? >

[Pathik]

@saurav
Finally got the second replacement for XFX 650i ULTRA and thank god it is working fine. I have all the 4 modules up and running (1gb*4).
hey john can u tell us the batch no or something like that of ur board... so we can know wwich ones arent faulty..

@saurav
Finally got the second replacement for XFX 650i ULTRA and thank god it is working fine. I have all the 4 modules up and running (1gb*4).
hey john can u tell us the batch no or something like that of ur board... so we can know wich ones arent faulty..

[nil1982]

Hi, I am new in this forum, from Kolkata. I need to purchase a new system for graphics and web designing (Photoshop CS3, Flash CS3, 3Ds Max 9, Dreamweaver and fireworks) and also will be doing some video encoding (and sometimes gaming too). Mine should be a system optimized for multi tasking, at least 3 of any aforesaid applications will run altogether. Please suggest me a configuration. Need a big screen monitor and enough memory. My budget is 45,000/- with taxes which can't be exceeded. I don't need any sound device right now sicnce I have my old one. I prefer Intel systems to AMD. Please consider quad core (Q6600 if it fits into my budget by any chance) if available in Kolkata with venue.
Thanks in advance.
Niladri

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

i wanted a comp for this purposes !!

CAD Cam...for mechanical design and for M.tech student in Mechanical .
his study basically involves all high end CAD CAM Softwares !!

min 3 GB RAM is Recommended by the institute !! ( they did not mention anything abt gfx card but )

one of the question is shld he get 4 GB RAM with onboard

OR go for 2-3 GB RAM for Graphics card !! like an 8500 GT ?? here is a confusion !!

and will this 8500 GT work out with 2-3 GB RAM without hanging while running those memory heavy softwares ??
also the power supply is a confusion !! which PSU and how much ??

budget is 40k MAX everything but WITHOUT LCD MONITOR !! so its 50k with LCD..

for some info : one of my cousin works in as CAD CAM design tester for leading jet engines company !!
he told me that to rotate a aircraft engine in a comp with 2 GB RAM Would take time !! but it would happen instantly in a comp with 4 GM RAM !! but he does now know if those DELL comps had graphics card or not !

[Choto Cheeta]

Hi, I am new in this forum, from Kolkata. I need to purchase a new system for graphics and web designing (Photoshop CS3, Flash CS3, 3Ds Max 9, Dreamweaver and fireworks) and also will be doing some video encoding (and sometimes gaming too). Mine should be a system optimized for multi tasking, at least 3 of any aforesaid applications will run altogether. Please suggest me a configuration. Need a big screen monitor and enough memory. My budget is 45,000/- with taxes which can't be exceeded. I don't need any sound device right now sicnce I have my old one. I prefer Intel systems to AMD. Please consider quad core (Q6600 if it fits into my budget by any chance) if available in Kolkata with venue.
Thanks in advance.
Niladri

Welcome to the forum

Do you need just the CPU or whole PC Including Monitor + UPS all all !!!

[Pathik]

i wanted a comp for this purposes !!

CAD Cam...for mechanical design and for M.tech student in Mechanical .
his study basically involves all high end CAD CAM Softwares !!

min 3 GB RAM is Recommended by the institute !! ( they did not mention anything abt gfx card but )

one of the question is shld he get 4 GB RAM with onboard

OR go for 2-3 GB RAM for Graphics card !! like an 8500 GT ?? here is a confusion !!

and will this 8500 GT work out with 2-3 GB RAM without hanging while running those memory heavy softwares ??
also the power supply is a confusion !! which PSU and how much ??

budget is 40k MAX everything but WITHOUT LCD MONITOR !! so its 50k with LCD..

for some info : one of my cousin works in as CAD CAM design tester for leading jet engines company !!
he told me that to rotate a aircraft engine in a comp with 2 GB RAM Would take time !! but it would happen instantly in a comp with 4 GM RAM !! but he does now know if those DELL comps had graphics card or not !
Get
a xfx 650i ultra
a c2d e6750..
4*1gb ddr 2 667mhz ram
a xfx 8600 gt 256 mb gddr3
a zebronics antibiotic + 500w psu (600w wd b better)
a sony dru 830 a

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

Get
a xfx 650i ultra
a c2d e6750..
4*1gb ddr 2 667mhz ram
a xfx 8600 gt 256 mb gddr3
a zebronics antibiotic + 500w psu (600w wd b better)
a sony dru 830 a
interesting !! but what abt PSU ? can this handle this load of 4 gb ram and an 8600 GT ??
this system wont be over clocked in any way !!

one more question Will the 8600 GT also use the System RAM apart from its 256 MB VRAM ??
its better if it uses even that 4 GB RAM !

[Choto Cheeta]

even My ColorSit 500 Watts Can handle 4GB and 8600 GT 256MB with E6600 OC at 3.6 and 4 HDDs and DVD RWs and TV Tuner :lol: :p

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

even My ColorSit 500 Watts Can handle 4GB and 8600 GT 256MB with E6600 OC at 3.6 and 4 HDDs and DVD RWs and TV Tuner :lol: :p
cool will buy zeb 500 watts supply !!
will see if the xfx650i supports that e6750 then go for it...if the shop keeper provides bios upgrade facility or will get some intel mobo or try for asus .

[nil1982]

Welcome to the forum

Do you need just the CPU or whole PC Including Monitor + UPS all all !!!
Thanks Saurav, I am looking for a full system only except sound system. Thanks again.

[Choto Cheeta]

OK... So as you preffer Quad Core... so, here is what I personally feel a computer for 45k...

Also do look in the suggestion given by others :D

Intel Q6600 @ Rs. 12900/- + TAX
ASUS P5N-E Sli @ Rs. 7200/- + TAX
(2x1) 2 GB DDR-800 Kingstone or Transcend @ Rs. 4600/- + TAX
XFX 8400 GS @ Rs. 2650/- + TAX
Segate 250 GB SATA-II 16mb Buffer @ Rs. 2650/- + TAX
View Sonic vx1932wm @ Rs. 10050/- + TAX
Cabinet + ColorSit 500 Watts @ Rs. 2200/- + TAX
UPS @ Rs. 1400/- + TAX
Keyboard mouse combo Microsoft @ Rs. 750/- + TAX

TAX Rs. 1776/- @ 4% (Kolkata VAT)

Total Rs. 46176 incl TAX

well you can do few thing on this config, get a LG CRT instade of LCD i mentioned so CRT will cost Rs. 4300 and then try and get 4 GB of RAM !!!

also 8400 GS is not a great card, but good enough to run most of the new resouce hungry game in Mediaum settinsg at 800x600 or 640x480 resolution... so if you can buy you may also think of 8600 GT which is Rs. 6700/- + TAX or if you are a pro gamer :p then think of drooping the idea of Quad core and buy a Low or mid range C2D with one XFX 8800 GTS 320 MB which is around Rs. 13700/- + TAX (Kolkata)

P.S. How did you know my name ?? and its Saurav :D

[nil1982]

OK... So as you preffer Quad Core... so, here is what I personally feel a computer for 45k...

Also do look in the suggestion given by others :D

Intel Q6600 @ Rs. 12900/- + TAX
ASUS P5N-E Sli @ Rs. 7200/- + TAX
(2x1) 2 GB DDR-800 Kingstone or Transcend @ Rs. 4600/- + TAX
XFX 8400 GS @ Rs. 2650/- + TAX
Segate 250 GB SATA-II 16mb Buffer @ Rs. 2650/- + TAX
View Sonic vx1932wm @ Rs. 10050/- + TAX
Cabinet + ColorSit 500 Watts @ Rs. 2200/- + TAX
UPS @ Rs. 1400/- + TAX
Keyboard mouse combo Microsoft @ Rs. 750/- + TAX

TAX Rs. 1776/- @ 4% (Kolkata VAT)

Total Rs. 46176 incl TAX

well you can do few thing on this config, get a LG CRT instade of LCD i mentioned so CRT will cost Rs. 4300 and then try and get 4 GB of RAM !!!

also 8400 GS is not a great card, but good enough to run most of the new resouce hungry game in Mediaum settinsg at 800x600 or 640x480 resolution... so if you can buy you may also think of 8600 GT which is Rs. 6700/- + TAX or if you are a pro gamer :p then think of drooping the idea of Quad core and buy a Low or mid range C2D with one XFX 8800 GTS 320 MB which is around Rs. 13700/- + TAX (Kolkata)
That's fine, but is Q6600 available in Kolkata (If yes can it be said here?) ? I came across some people who looked for C2Q but failed. Is the LG CRT of 19" diagonal? The idea is better to get a higher memory than an LCD display. The RAM you mentioned is DDR-II I guess. BTW I'm not going to OC.

I have been reading the posts in this forum for a few days, as a reader I am not very new, but as a member I am new.

[Choto Cheeta]

That's fine, but is Q6600 available in Kolkata (If yes can it be said here?) ? I came across some people who looked for C2Q but failed. Is the LG CRT of 19" diagonal? The idea is better to get a higher memory than an LCD display. The RAM you mentioned is DDR-II I guess. BTW I'm not going to OC.

as said here already, there are no Apps right now to use full resource of a C2Q :p

anyway yes C2Q is in Kolkata, I dont know where exactly u actually looked and found no C2Q :p tell you what, Supreem is not a place to be :lol:

19" LCD I mentioned is not diagonal, its Wide Screen TFT... http://www.viewsonic.com/products/lcddisplays/xseries/vx1932wm/

The RAM you mentioned is DDR-II I guess.

the Ram mentioned is DDR-II....

BTW I'm not going to OC.

Even if you were, for your information Q6600 is not that Good Over Clocking Processors :lol:

Is the LG CRT of 19" diagonal

Once again its our personal choise for TFT or CRT as 17" CRT will mean a lot of power bill :lol:

[nil1982]

as said here already, there are no Apps right now to use full resource of a C2Q :p

anyway yes C2Q is in Kolkata, I dont know where exactly u actually looked and found no C2Q :p tell you what, Supreem is not a place to be :lol:

19" LCD I mentioned is not diagonal, its Wide Screen TFT... http://www.viewsonic.com/products/lcddisplays/xseries/vx1932wm/



the Ram mentioned is DDR-II....



Even if you were, for your information Q6600 is not that Good Over Clocking Processors :lol:



Once again its our personal choise for TFT or CRT as 17" CRT will mean a lot of power bill :lol:

Yes Supreme failed to supply Q6600. And I have zero idea about OCing:D. I wanted C2Q for running multiple programs at the same time. Is any C2D except E6850 good for that?

[Choto Cheeta]

Yes Supreme failed to supply Q6600. And I have zero idea about OCing:D. I wanted C2Q for running multiple programs at the same time. Is any C2D except E6850 good for that?

Jah !!! :lol:

we are now Shifting from the Topic... once again it really depends on ur need... tell you what, maximum of the time, computer is one time buy for say about a year or so... also Multi Tasking, so stick to Q6600 if u are happy with 8400 GS tpe of low end cards :lol:

but as I said if you are a pro gamer then opt for low or Mid range C2D with better GRFX Card :p

also here are some small tips of OC :p http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64388

[nil1982]

Jah !!! :lol:

we are now Shifting from the Topic... once again it really depends on ur need... tell you what, maximum of the time, computer is one time buy for say about a year or so... also Multi Tasking, so stick to Q6600 if u are happy with 8400 GS tpe of low end cards :lol:

but as I said if you are a pro gamer then opt for low or Mid range C2D with better GRFX Card :p

also here are some small tips of OC :p http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64388

Thanks a lot. May be I'll go for Q6600 and 4x1GB DDR-II-800 Kingston. Money is a constraint though.:p

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^

Now if you have to bag a Q6600 + 4GB DDR-II with above config, you may cut cost farther by opting for a onboard Video based Motherboard like, ASUS P5K-VM comes with G33 Chipset and x3100 its around Rs. 7500/- + TAX though would be a little search in Chandi :p

[nil1982]

^^^

Now if you have to bag a Q6600 + 4GB DDR-II with above config, you may cut cost farther by opting for a onboard Video based Motherboard like, ASUS P5K-VM comes with G33 Chipset and x3100 its around Rs. 7500/- + TAX though would be a little search in Chandi :p
Yup, but now I'll try to go for the best, i.e. 8600 GT with the above C2Q and 4 GB RAM. :D trying to increase budget, hehe!!!!:wink:
(remind me if I'm going out of the topic BTW):p:p

[Choto Cheeta]

Yup, but now I'll try to go for the best, i.e. 8600 GT with the above C2Q and 4 GB RAM. :D trying to increase budget, hehe!!!!:wink:

Try that !!!! would be better as seems that you are a Gamer :p rather than a Week end gamer like me :lol:

(remind me if I'm going out of the topic BTW):p:p

Naaa.... dont need to pull ur hair out for these issues :lol:

[nil1982]

Try that !!!! would be better as seems that you are a Gamer :p rather than a Week end gamer like me :lol:



Naaa.... dont need to pull ur hair out for these issues :lol:

I'm not a gamer, I am into web and graphics designing, so need to get a multi tasking system.:p Gaming is just a time pass for me.:) Thanks for your suggestins, I'll be waiting for others opinions also, as you suggested. After purchase I'll post every detail in the relevant thread (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45694).

[cynosure]

At itwares there are two options of 7600GS 256MB and 512MB. What is the difference between the two?? Is 512MB = 256MB VRAM + 256MB shared RAM??

I am damn confused about video cards, some benchmarks state that 8600 is slower than 7600 and given the fact that there are no 100% DX10 games out now, should I buy 7600 (or if budget allows a 7900)?

If I buy a expensive card like 7900 then I might not be able to buy a new card (the G92s) till Q2 2008, will 7900 be able to pull it thru? I will add a phsyX card later in Dec when unreal 2K7 is released.:D

[dOm1naTOr]

The support for DX9.0c cards not gonna stop whole of a sudden. Even now the geforce 6 series support all games releasing nowadays.

So a 7900 will easily make it to Q2 2008 and offers excellent value for money unlike 8600GTS. Even 7600GT at 5.5k has excellent value for money.
An 8600Gt is of no gud if u dun softmed it to GTS levels. A 7600GT outperforms it in most benchmarks.

[cynosure]

I dont trust itwares, can anybody tell me the price of 7900 GT. itwares has listed the price of 7950 as Rs. 500 :p

I will be buying my new PC this tuesday (Rakshabandhan) if Nehru Place shops are opened. Or else it will be delayed for another one week.

And anybody has the idea about the diffrence in the prices of h/w in Delhi and Dehradun??

[adithyagenius]

Do XFX 8800GTS 320MB and 8600GT 8600GT need a costly PSU or will the free 450W/400W PSU provided by assembler be enough. I am not worried about the wattage or amperage. I am worried about power connectors. My 7600GT doesn't need any connectors but the assembling guy told me that latest graphics cards ask for some 6pin or 8pin power connectors. My friend is planning to install a graphics card on a brand new
AMD x2 4000 4000+ and M2A-VM
2*1gb ddr2 667Mhz Kingston RAM
250GB SATA seagate hdd
LITE-ON 20A1P
Creative Audigy Value

All this takes only takes max 97 watts on load.
Will the graphics card fit on this motherboard?

[keith_j_snyder2]

Well its always advisable to go for a good branded PSU because it has almost none chances to blow ur hardware.Although the cheap PSUs aren't that bad but there's always a risk.
Instead, these Branded PSUs are actually made for the the super hardwares.
So owing a Branded PSU is better!


And for the record....any graphics card will fit onto this system as the motherboard holds a PCI-E slot....so any PCI-E Card will do the job!

[dOm1naTOr]

@adithyagenius
yup, 8800GTS 320 need an extra power connector, but 8600GT dun need.
8600GTS needs one. So if u are goin gor nythin above 8600GT, then a gud PSU is recomented.

[adithyagenius]

Well its always advisable to go for a good branded PSU because it has almost none chances to blow ur hardware.Although the cheap PSUs aren't that bad but there's always a risk.
Instead, these Branded PSUs are actually made for the the super hardwares.
So owing a Branded PSU is better!


And for the record....any graphics card will fit onto this system as the motherboard holds a PCI-E slot....so any PCI-E Card will do the job!

Branded PSUs have extra power connectors for graphics cards. And PCI-E slot doesnt mean every card fits. Geforce MX 4000 card doesn't fit well because its slots doesnt reach the back of the cabinet. Also Geforce 8800GTX is a very long card with huge cooling system which might get obstructed by other components of the motherboard.

Doesnt anyone have M2A-VM with graphics card installed? I am worried about 8800GTS getting obstructed by RAM slots and onboard sound card and LAN outputs

[sagargv]

when he meant any g-card . he meant any recent one released in the past 2 yrs( a pcie card he has mentioned it though ) .. .yes the GTX rises a question , it may not fit . but in most cases i hear the cabby being too small and not the problem with ram obstructing g-card , dunno very well . GTX is a huge power monger , if u're buying u'll need a really good psu which supplies atleast 30A on the 12 volt rails . even the GTS is a power monger but not as bad as the GTX . dont go by the wattage on the psu , its the amps on the 12 volt rail that counts .

[sabret00the]

Prepared this config for my friend S!D,wat do guys think of it?
Athlon 64 X2 5200+ 2.6GHz 2MB L2 cache 6000

Asus M2AVM AMD 690G and SB600 Chipset 3900
OR
Biostar A690G AMD 690G and SB600 Chipset 3650
OR
Jetway M2A692-GDG AMD 690G and SB600 Chipset 3150

Transcend DDR 2 1 GB 800 Mhz 2350

Seagate Sata 2 250 GB(16 MB Buffer) 2950

Sony 18x (Sata OEM DVD RW) 1900

Zebronics Bijlee Cabinet (Without SMPS) 1500

Coolermaster RP-600-PCAR Extreme Power 600W 20+4 pin 3500

Viewsonic LCD 19" VA1912WB 9700

Creative Inspire T6060 4350

Logitech Multimedia – Wireless keyboard 1550

the bugger's getting a new flat waiting to find out how the creative sounds...bad news will have to part with the Logitech MX Revolution as soon as his PC is built...

[dOm1naTOr]

@sabret00the
if he dun need a gcard, then no need to go for 600W Cm PSU. Get some 400w rated PSU from powersafe for 1.5k or even the stock 400w wud work fine.

The onboard GFX of 690G is amazing. I play NFSMW on it with 1024*768 with low~med details with visual treats turned on and still no lags and can even play FEAR at 800*600 @ low~med settings. All cases AA & AF turned off.

Creative T6060 sux...Logitech X530 is a far better option. The only gud about T6060 is the wired remote with headphone jach and aux in[uses to connect my phone nd mp3 player to speakers]. The tweeter in front and R/L speakers are just for looks and they are actually silent and i think they dun have connection from behind really.

Get the 19" LCD with DVI connector. The ASUS M2A VM has onboard DVI as well as Dsub.

Get a 320 Gb HDD for 3.2k. They have 16MB buffer as well as are perpendicular recoding technology ones, so better perfomance.

[sabret00the]

@sabret00the
if he dun need a gcard, then no need to go for 600W Cm PSU. Get some 400w rated PSU from powersafe for 1.5k or even the stock 400w wud work fine.

seems like a good idea..anyways he might as well go for a GPU in the future but I dont think that's gonna be a killer on the PSU....probably the Zeb Platinum 500W that I have been using wud be good enough for him...

The onboard GFX of 690G is amazing. I play NFSMW on it with 1024*768 with low~med details with visual treats turned on and still no lags and can even play FEAR at 800*600 @ low~med settings. All cases AA & AF turned off.

I think that's why I'm stressing on the 690G chipset

Creative T6060 sux...Logitech X530 i