Basic Guide Purchase a New System

[prasath_amd]

I also have one suggestiong, instead of getting 2 ATIHD4870 crossfired, you can get a ATI HD 4870x2 which has two GPUs built on one die :). It gives the same performance BUT is optimized to consume less power and will dissipate less heat than 2 ATIHD4870 crossfired :). Go for a 24".

Other all components are good.

Ok i'll go with the HD4870x2. But tell me whether the PSU will be able provide the juice.......

@prasath_amd,
dont get a 22 get a 24 instead.

How much price is for each component?

Sorry don know the prices yet, but i know the Intel C2D 8400 is one hell of a dual-core CPU today, going by K PowerMania's suggestion i'm going to use a single HD4870x2 instead of a crossfire setup.....

[amrawtanshx]

^^
650 W should suffice :)

so there is nothing available below 20k something around 18k or so ....?

The AOC one is for 21.7 k .. And I think it is the cheapest of the lot.
But I would recommend Dell .. Though the price is a tad higher.

[prvprv]

@ mkmkmk

Motherboard : ABiT IP35E
Processor : Intel Core 2 Duo E4600
RAM : 2*2GB Transcend @ 800MHz
Dell/Samsung 19" Display.
Creative 2.1 Speakers.
APC 650VA UPS




Get Core 2 Duo E7200 Faster than E4600 and not much difference in price :cool:

[acewin]

@I need complete pc configuration including display + ups + speaker for -
CAD application workstation.

Not for game or entertainment.

config should future ready.It should intel /AMDbased and with 19" LCD .
suggest Intel/amd process/mobo/GRAPHics. Ram up to 4 gb.
Its for brother who is in 2nd yr engg.


Manoj, go on good proccy n mobo(so that u do not need to invest big on them latter on), get 8600GT 256 MB DDR3 as GPU n Dell or HP 19" monitor
Giving you the specs, but would recommend AMD they got good onboard GPU mobo which can help you an add on of extra GPU also if you want(remember CAD would need both strong proccy and good GPU)

Intel Config
Proccy C2Q Q6600 + P45 chipset based MSI P45 Neo-F +GPU
Cost@ITWARES 8850+6375 = 15225
8600GT 256MB DDR3 = 3500
9600GT 512MB DDR3 = 7250 Palit/POV/
HD3850 512MB DDR3 = 6000
AMD Config
Proccy Phenom X4 9550 + 780G chipset mobo
Cost@ITWARES 7650+5000 = 12650 (giving you choice of buying a better GPU also 780G got crossfire so u can put an ATI 3850 512MB DDR3 in 6K having better overall CAD performance than intel config in 20K total

But if you can raise up your budget a litle get C2Q config with good GPU

for the rest which would be common for any of the configs.
2GB single stick - 1800
Any Zebronics Cabinet without PSU < 1500
Cooler Master 600W Extreme Power - 3150
UPS Microtech 1KVA - 3500(better get this than APC 650VA in same price)
Monitor 19 inch Dell/HP in 9500 or 22 inch LG or Samsung in 12000 spending on 22 inch Dell will increase ur budget, but would be good with DVI port n all. LG models in 12K have also got DVI port but not Samsung.

HDD Seagate or WD any 250GB in 2500
640GB WD in 3600
DVD Burner Samsung 223 SATA - 1100 wud recommend this burner which has sata

Sony/Asus IDE 1200
You need to clear out the basic components like HDD + RAM + Burner + Monitor + Cabinet + PSU + UPS and then catch up what config of proccy + mobo you wanna go, that will give you better understanding of how much amount you wanna spend on proccy + mobo + GPU

[prankie]

Hi, all!!
m plannin to buy a new system mainly for multimedia purpose and moderate gaming, and i don't intend to use it over 2years.. coz i'll b goin abroad aftr that..
i have following config in my mind--
Intel Q6600/E8200
Intel DG33FBC (Mobo)
VIP Cabinet
Seagate 500GB HDD
4/2 GB Transcend (667/800Mhz DDR2 RAM)
19" Viewsonic TFT
Logitech k/b mouse combo
Nvidia 8600GT/9600GT

Now m confused that whether i shud gofor c2Q with 2GB ram and 8600
or
C2D with 2 GB ram and 9600GT
or
C2D with 8600GT and 4GB RAM
which will give best bang for bucks?? and what performance diff will i get in 667mhz and 800mhz RAM??
plz suggest????

[imgame2]

^^
650 W should suffice :)



The AOC one is for 21.7 k .. And I think it is the cheapest of the lot.
But I would recommend Dell .. Though the price is a tad higher.

then i would wait for prices to come down to 18 k region its too costly for me right now ...

[Psychosocial]

@ mkmkmk

Motherboard : ABiT IP35E
Processor : Intel Core 2 Duo E4600
RAM : 2*2GB Transcend @ 800MHz
Dell/Samsung 19" Display.
Creative 2.1 Speakers.
APC 650VA UPS

@ imgame2

Dell,Samsung,AOC,etc.good provide 24" LCD displays.
These cost between 21-26k.

abbe Abit IP35e is EOL (End of Life).

Better get the config that acewin suggested :).

Hi, all!!
m plannin to buy a new system mainly for multimedia purpose and moderate gaming, and i don't intend to use it over 2years.. coz i'll b goin abroad aftr that..
i have following config in my mind--
Intel Q6600/E8200
Intel DG33FBC (Mobo)
VIP Cabinet
Seagate 500GB HDD
4/2 GB Transcend (667/800Mhz DDR2 RAM)
19" Viewsonic TFT
Logitech k/b mouse combo
Nvidia 8600GT/9600GT

Now m confused that whether i shud gofor c2Q with 2GB ram and 8600
or
C2D with 2 GB ram and 9600GT
or
C2D with 8600GT and 4GB RAM
which will give best bang for bucks?? and what performance diff will i get in 667mhz and 800mhz RAM??
plz suggest????

The increment in RAM performance will be around 10-15%. Better stick with DDR2667mhZ ram you are on a budget :).

Ok as per C2D vs C2Q, as you need for multimedia purpose (HD Movies), I will say that you better go with C2Q as it will be better and more adapt while watching HD Movies.

As per the GPU, try and buy the 9600GT but if out of budget than 8600GT will cut it for moderate gaming :).

Buy 4GB RAM. Its dirt cheap this days.

I suggest that you buy a better mobo. Take a look at the 650i chipset from NVIDIA or the P35 chipset from Intel (Galaxy 650i LT and MSI P35 Neo if you want to buy any of these).

[prasath_amd]

Which one of these 2 CPUs is a better option for me?

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9100 ( 12MB L2, 2.26Ghz, 1066Mhz FSB)

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 (6MB L2, 2.5Ghz, 1333Mhz FSB)

My current plan is:-

- Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 (3.0Ghz, 1333Mhz FSB, 6MB L2)
- ASUS Maximus II Formula (Intel P45, PCI-E2.0, CrossFire)
- Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 4870X2 1GB GDDR5
- Cooler Master Stacker 832 SE ( Full Tower )
- Cooler Master Extreme Power 650W
- Viewsonic 24'inch widescreen LCD

[prankie]

@KPower Mania
well C2Q with 9600GT and 4GB RAM will be obviously better, but then i'll get outta budget...
lemme put in like this..
C2D(E8200) with 2GB RAM and 9600GT is costin me 38735/-
same with 8600GT is costin me 34735/-
C2D with 4GB RAM and 9600GT is costin me 41135/-
C2Q(Q6600) with 2GB RAM and 8600GT is costin me 36635/-
C2Q with 4GB RAM and 9600GT is costin me 43235/-

now considerin that i dunn wanna spend above 40k (lesser will be better) what is better
C2D with 2gb ram and 9600gt
or
C2Q with 2gb ram and 8600gt???

Intel DG33FBC--->5050/-
if there is any better motherboard in this range then plz suggest..

and i have an old rig whose config is
AMD sempron 2500+
512MB DDR400 RAM
Gigabyte MOBO
Daewoo 17" CRT
logitech K/B and microsoft mouse

what price can i expect in exchange!??

[mkmkmk]

Get Core 2 Duo E7200 Faster than E4600 and not much difference in price :cool:


What do u think of quad core..will it affect performance/ price if yes how much?

[Psychosocial]

@KPower Mania
well C2Q with 9600GT and 4GB RAM will be obviously better, but then i'll get outta budget...
lemme put in like this..
C2D(E8200) with 2GB RAM and 9600GT is costin me 38735/-
same with 8600GT is costin me 34735/-
C2D with 4GB RAM and 9600GT is costin me 41135/-
C2Q(Q6600) with 2GB RAM and 8600GT is costin me 36635/-
C2Q with 4GB RAM and 9600GT is costin me 43235/-

now considerin that i dunn wanna spend above 40k (lesser will be better) what is better
C2D with 2gb ram and 9600gt
or
C2Q with 2gb ram and 8600gt???

Intel DG33FBC--->5050/-
if there is any better motherboard in this range then plz suggest..

and i have an old rig whose config is
AMD sempron 2500+
512MB DDR400 RAM
Gigabyte MOBO
Daewoo 17" CRT
logitech K/B and microsoft mouse

what price can i expect in exchange!??

C2Q is definetly better for HD movies so go with it. And are you serious about the motherboard price :confused:. lol u can get the MSI P35 Neo-F for around the same price(5k) and is 200% better than this DG33FBC :).

[acewin]

prankie, what is your gross budget, besides whatever your budget is check with what I gave in the config and decide AND SAY a BIG no to Viewsonic 19 inch when with just 1K more you are getting better Dell/HP/Samsung monitors.

If you wanna keep on 40K and moderate gaming(you really need to decide on the games you wanna play). If res hogging games it is then 2GB + 9600GT otherwise 4GB+8600GT
And if you just give me choice still I will say go for 2 GB + 9600GT, you can add RAM anytime.

You do not wanna do much upgrades so you can go mobo with 630i chipset also. DG33FB in 5K is nothing good when you can get P35 based mobos in 4.5K

Onto HDD also get WD 640GB instead of Seagate 500GB.
You got lot many options to reduce your total.

And never calculate Proccy + Mobo + GPU in your total budget. Take them as a separate budget will give you clearer pricture.

decide on cabinet and keep 2GB RAM, no real need of 4GB and still if you wanna keep 4GB do not add them in proccy+mobo+gpu, check them separately will help you out really

[Psychosocial]

I sold my p4 + Gigabyte mobo + 512MB DDR400 RAM + NVIDIA FX5200 128MB + 40GB HDD + iBall Speakers (2.0) + kbd+mouse + 17" CRT + Otical Drive for 7k :|.

prankie, what is your gross budget, besides whatever your budget is check with what I gave in the config and decide AND SAY a BIG no to Viewsonic 19 inch when with just 1K more you are getting better Dell/HP/Samsung monitors.

If you wanna keep on 40K and moderate gaming(you really need to decide on the games you wanna play). If res hogging games it is then 2GB + 9600GT otherwise 4GB+8600GT
And if you just give me choice still I will say go for 2 GB + 9600GT, you can add RAM anytime.

You do not wanna do much upgrades so you can go mobo with 630i chipset also. DG33FB in 5K is nothing good when you can get P35 based mobos in 4.5K

Onto HDD also get WD 640GB instead of Seagate 500GB.
You got lot many options to reduce your total.

And never calculate Proccy + Mobo + GPU in your total budget. Take them as a separate budget will give you clearer pricture.

decide on cabinet and keep 2GB RAM, no real need of 4GB and still if you wanna keep 4GB do not add them in proccy+mobo+gpu, check them separately will help you out really

Vista will take up much RAM so i recommanded 4GB but if he wants to stick with XP than 2GB is ok. As per the HDD, you are right. Get the WD640 GB. I didnt recommand it coz i never read it in his post :lol:.

9600GT .... well he can swing a sweet deal at a 9500GT also. Its better than the 8600GT an wil fit in his budget.

[prankie]

Well i wanna keep my budget under 40k.. and i play games like NFS series, COD4, Gears of war, and UT3.. well my current pc cant play all of 'em but i have xbox360 and i usually game on it.. but since 360's game are very costly (and since i have to buy originals) .. i prefer pc games..

anyways here's the price list..
Q6600 -> 9400/-
E8200 -> 7300/-
Intel DG33FBC- 5050/-
VIP Cabinet ->1900/-
Seagate 500Gb hdd - 3975/-
4gb transcend 667mhz - 1950*2
4gb transcend 800mhz - 2400*2
19" viewsonic 8850/-
logitech combo 710/-
9600GT - 8550/-
8600GT - 4800/-

plz suggest alternate motherboards with prices and what changes can i make?

[acewin]

Big NO to DG33 intel mobo you have good options in P35 chipset mobo from Palit/MSI/Biostar in the same price range.
Whoever is giving you the prices they are higher than current prices. You will easily get single stick 2GB 800 FSB RAM Kingston or Transcend in 1800-1850

Good for VIP cabinet get without PSU and buy a CoolerMaster 460W or 600W Extreme Power
WD 640 GB with 16 MB buffer is in 3.6K all over India and there are 2 500GB seagate models is this one 16MB buffer or 32MB buffer.
Prankie, if you are getting higher prices in Bhopal you should really consider getting from online stores in better price.

Meanwhile place an order for Dell 19 inch through Online. better than Viewsonic.
Prices of GPU is also higher so tell which company and model they are to be sure.

[Psychosocial]

acewin is correct. DG33FBC is sh1t. Get the MSI-P35 Neo-F for 5k.

The prices are definetly high.

Consider the Zotac 9600GT which the most VFM card. 2GB RAM will suffice.

Get the C2Q.

[prvprv]

What do u think of quad core..will it affect performance/ price if yes how much?

Quad core is much faster than C2D. But the cheapest Quad core processor is approximately 3.7k more than E7200.

acewin has suggested a good config above. checked it??

[soman]

hey guys m a newbie basically...so i wanna ask is it better to buy a laptop or a desktop? cuz dese des u get everythin u aspire fr in a desktop in a laptop[esp. da configuration n price].da onle issue is wid da availability of separate hardwares fr a laptop like graphics card etc...n repair of a desktop s also easier i guess...

ma budget s around 40k fr da configuration...please can u tell me which is da best configuration under da formentioned budget in da latest? i m a college student n m interested in stuffs wich a genuine college student wants- simple programming, fast speed, no hiccups of overheatin,future secured[atleast 3-4 years] n not to forget crazy gaming.sorry if dis sounds a regular question fr u guys...well u can gimme da post no. if such kinda stuff s posted recently by some....lookin forward to yr replies...thank you!

[desiibond]

Depends on how you want to use it like.

you get pretty good laptop for 40k and a powerful desktop for the same price.

If you are not at all interested in gaming, go for laptop, like Dell Studio series.

[prankie]

@kpower mania, acewin.
Thanx for ur replies... so where can i buy these products online?
plz suggest reliable sites???

[acewin]

@soman, crazy gaming means a desktop, because u can configure them to your choice.
But a laptop means u can take them anywhere, and in 40K u will get real good deal.

But if get desktop u get very good n powerful with good gfx card.

[Psychosocial]

@kpower mania, acewin.
Thanx for ur replies... so where can i buy these products online?
plz suggest reliable sites???

www.lynx-india.com
www.theitwares.com

[mkmkmk]

Manoj, go on good proccy n mobo(so that u do not need to invest big on them latter on), get 8600GT 256 MB DDR3 as GPU n Dell or HP 19" monitor
Giving you the specs, but would recommend AMD they got good onboard GPU mobo which can help you an add on of extra GPU also if you want(remember CAD would need both strong proccy and good GPU)

Intel Config
Proccy C2Q Q6600 + P45 chipset based MSI P45 Neo-F +GPU
Cost@ITWARES 8850+6375 = 15225
8600GT 256MB DDR3 = 3500
9600GT 512MB DDR3 = 7250 Palit/POV/
HD3850 512MB DDR3 = 6000
AMD Config
Proccy Phenom X4 9550 + 780G chipset mobo
Cost@ITWARES 7650+5000 = 12650 (giving you choice of buying a better GPU also 780G got crossfire so u can put an ATI 3850 512MB DDR3 in 6K having better overall CAD performance than intel config in 20K total

But if you can raise up your budget a litle get C2Q config with good GPU

for the rest which would be common for any of the configs.
2GB single stick - 1800
Any Zebronics Cabinet without PSU < 1500
Cooler Master 600W Extreme Power - 3150
UPS Microtech 1KVA - 3500(better get this than APC 650VA in same price)
Monitor 19 inch Dell/HP in 9500 or 22 inch LG or Samsung in 12000 spending on 22 inch Dell will increase ur budget, but would be good with DVI port n all. LG models in 12K have also got DVI port but not Samsung.

HDD Seagate or WD any 250GB in 2500
640GB WD in 3600
DVD Burner Samsung 223 SATA - 1100 wud recommend this burner which has sata

Sony/Asus IDE 1200
You need to clear out the basic components like HDD + RAM + Burner + Monitor + Cabinet + PSU + UPS and then catch up what config of proccy + mobo you wanna go, that will give you better understanding of how much amount you wanna spend on proccy + mobo + GPU
@prvprv ..thanks for input.

@ acewin ........... thanks for wonderful suggestions..

I will go with AMD config.can u suggest me about 780G chipset mobo specific?
and one more question 2 GB will enough or should i go with 4 GB?tell me sp. details about ram too.
my budget for proccy + mobo + GPU is 20-22 k.Ready to compromise little in other common requirements.
config should be future ready for at least 4 yrs.
whats importance of DVI port.?

[tkin]

acewin is correct. DG33FBC is sh1t. Get the MSI-P35 Neo-F for 5k.

The prices are definetly high.

Consider the Zotac 9600GT which the most VFM card. 2GB RAM will suffice.

Get the C2Q.
+1, but the MSI mobos(specially P35Neo-F) has some issues.Intel chipsets have a feature(Intel EIST- http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/203838.htm ) that automatically adjusts the processor core clock speed depending on the load.This feature does not work well in MSI mobos. In my friends MSI mobo the Q6600 always runs at 2.4GHz, but in Intel mobos(like DQ35JO) the cores of Q6600 runs at as low as 1.5GHz per core when the loads are minimum.
Checked both mobos out myself with CPU-Z.
Although MSI lists Eist in documentation it doesnot work good.Otherwise this mobos are great:smile:.Asus is also good.
P.S-the Intel site documentations are old.EIST is supported by newer chipsets also.

[soman]

@desiibond n acewin....Thanks!!!

talkin abt gamin m nt really interested in like gamin round da clok....jus fr few hrs if possibl in a de.

n abt laptops can a lappy b future secured fr 3-4 yrs? n cant i play games lik GTA, NFS n UT in lappy at all?i mean wudn gud configuration or graphics card do?

n fr a desktop wat s da rite configuration under a 40k budget in da latest? THank you!

[tkin]

@desiibond n acewin....Thanks!!!

talkin abt gamin m nt really interested in like gamin round da clok....jus fr few hrs if possibl in a de.

n abt laptops can a lappy b future secured fr 3-4 yrs? n cant i play games lik GTA, NFS n UT in lappy at all?i mean wudn gud configuration or graphics card do?

n fr a desktop wat s da rite configuration under a 40k budget in da latest? THank you!
Will try to answer your first two questens:-
1.No, a laptop(Unless its a 2 lakh alienware) can not be futureproof for 3-4 yrs.At best 2 yrs depending on your usage type(office work)

2.Play-GTA 2,3 & NFS upto Underground 2, UT old versions-Yes
Play-GTA 4,NFS Most Wanted or Higher, UT latest editions-No(On moderate 40k budget)
Go for Alienware:D if want to play any game at any settings.

[acewin]

start with DVI port in monitors, DVI port is for digital input and VGA is for analog.

Then comes 780G mobos if you think of getting ATI GFX cards, as 780G chipset are crossfire mobos, meaning 2 Ati cards can work together. Also the onboard GFX is Directex 10 card.
Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H(And I do remeber desibond's pointing out that there is little prob in rev 1.0 mobo and getting rev 1.1 mobo.) price is 5.5K
Gigabyte GA-MA78GPM-DS3H(better than S2H has all HDMI n DVI) price 6,825 @lynx-india (http://www.lynx-india.com/index.php?productID=2097)
MSI K9A2GM-FIH price 4900
Asus M3A78-EMH HDMI price 5775

all the above prices are from ITWARES (http://www.theitwares.com/motherboards/motherboards.htm)

And for nVidia there are 8200 and 8300 chipset mobos nVidia Hybrid Technology to run nVidia GPU as these have onboard 8100 series GPU which are directx 10 compatible
Zotac GeForce 8300 (http://www.lynx-india.com/index.php?productID=1541) price Rs :4,355.00
ABit AN-78HD (http://www.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboard/motherboard_detail.php?pMODEL_NAME=A-N78HD&fMTYPE=Socket%20AM2)

damn AMD mobos they have so good in bundle that general users should not think of intel. Most of the above mobos have HDMI n DVI port support 16GB RAM and some even have 2 PCI Express slots

about RAM buy single stick 2GB DDR2 RAM rom transcend/Kingston in 1.8K or if u want u can even go for Corsair they would come in 2.2K or so, though if you can buy then buy 2x2GB RAM making it 4GB its really a tough job finding compatible RAMs latter on. better you get dual channel from beginning.

@tkin>>Unlike that I think current laptops are better as prices of RAM is low and they can run XP superbly and even vista very well with 4GB RAM. so atleast next 3 years any current buy will go very well.

But truly you can expect huge turnovers, the way hardware market is moving, changes have become faster.

C2D came into mainstream last year, they were replaced by Penryn C2D of intel and Quad Core, start of the year. And Nahelam are already to enter the market. Just we have to see what AMD is launched later on to keep the market good.

And I think the no.s of laptops would have increased in last one year or two because of litle better proccy.
Any new res hogging OS from Microsoft comes up then again they will become centureis back. :D

[tkin]

start with DVI port in monitors, DVI port is for digital input and VGA is for analog.

Then comes 780G mobos if you think of getting ATI GFX cards, as 780G chipset are crossfire mobos, meaning 2 Ati cards can work together. Also the onboard GFX is Directex 10 card.
Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H(And I do remeber desibond's pointing out that there is little prob in rev 1.0 mobo and getting rev 1.1 mobo.) price is 5.5K
Gigabyte GA-MA78GPM-DS3H(better than S2H has all HDMI n DVI) price 6,825 @lynx-india (http://www.lynx-india.com/index.php?productID=2097)
MSI K9A2GM-FIH price 4900
Asus M3A78-EMH HDMI price 5775

all the above prices are from ITWARES (http://www.theitwares.com/motherboards/motherboards.htm)

And for nVidia there are 8200 and 8300 chipset mobos nVidia Hybrid Technology to run nVidia GPU as these have onboard 8100 series GPU which are directx 10 compatible
Zotac GeForce 8300 (http://www.lynx-india.com/index.php?productID=1541) price Rs :4,355.00
ABit AN-78HD (http://www.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboard/motherboard_detail.php?pMODEL_NAME=A-N78HD&fMTYPE=Socket%20AM2)

damn AMD mobos they have so good in bundle that general users should not think of intel. Most of the above mobos have HDMI n DVI port support 16GB RAM and some even have 2 PCI Express slots

about RAM buy single stick 2GB DDR2 RAM rom transcend/Kingston in 1.8K or if u want u can even go for Corsair they would come in 2.2K or so, though if you can buy then buy 2x2GB RAM making it 4GB its really a tough job finding compatible RAMs latter on. better you get dual channel from beginning.

@tkin>>Unlike that I think current laptops are better as prices of RAM is low and they can run XP superbly and even vista very well with 4GB RAM. so atleast next 3 years any current buy will go very well.

But truly you can expect huge turnovers, the way hardware market is moving, changes have become faster.

C2D came into mainstream last year, they were replaced by Penryn C2D of intel and Quad Core, start of the year. And Nahelam are already to enter the market. Just we have to see what AMD is launched later on to keep the market good.

And I think the no.s of laptops would have increased in last one year or two because of litle better proccy.
Any new res hogging OS from Microsoft comes up then again they will become centureis back. :D
Well, you are almost right.Just pointing==>Windows 7 launches 2010,DX11 probably 2011,Nehalem mainstream(8cores@affordable prices) at 2009,DDR2 2-4GB standard-NOW, DDR3 standard by 2009-2010, SLI/Crossfire affordable-NOW, Cheap LCDs-NOW, new Intel chipsets(Nehalem support) 2009-2010, AMD strikes back 2009-2010(hope),PhysX/HAVOC mainstream-2008-2009,Intel Larabee-2009-2010:smile:
------This changes the very concept of Futureproof.Even the GTX280/HD4870s will be outdated by 2010 best.:x

P.S-4GB RAM on 40k laptop????????.Still don't think possible(Power/Price):confused:.
And running Vista does not guarantee that the user can play games like NFS Carbon,P.S,UT3 or GTA4.:(

[mkmkmk]

thanks...@ acewin n.tkin

[abhipal]

Hello Friends I want to buy a new CPU upto 20 +-2K and need help on that.

Processor : Intel core 2duo/ 2quad

Is there noticeable performance difference between core 2 duo (E8200 and E8400) and core 2 quad (Q6600, Q6700 and Q9300)? Are the qual core processors a real quad core or is it the old double dual core processor? I am realy confused regading duo and quad, Which to buy?

Motherboard : Don't know, but one with integrated gfx card

Is there any motherboard with integrated Gfx card which can be used for game play little above than casual (Like Doom3, crisis, Diablo3)? Are the Intel original motherboard any good? Is their onboard GPU any good? I cuttently have D101GGC motherboard which have ATI 200 onboard GPU and I can play NFS MW, Carbon, Farcry, Rainbow 6 - Lockdown, Age 3 without any problem. Will these games run on G31, G33, G43 or G45? Does anybody have any personal experience? I don't want to invest in gfx card right now.



Ram : 2x1GB DDR2-800 corsair

PSU : Don't know, but with atleast 6 power supply pins i.e I must be able to connect 5HDD + 1DVD Writer.

Cabinet : iBall Gamer

DVD Writer : Sony / LG

If you feel that you have better configuration for me then feel free to post.

[Choto Cheeta]

@mkmkmk

As far as I know, you are in need for a CAD system at Rs. 40k...

Few basic things to remember while making a CAD work station is Core would matter in those apps, hence C2Q seems good choice !!! next major thing is the GPU, compare to a main stream system, graphics GPUs are bit different !!! for example, nvidia FX series but then again they would cost more the 40k then self...

Personally I would suggest some thing with more vRAM, like 8600 GT along with 512 MB DDR2 would be good for CAD based work station, where as if you can take a bit risk, cosider ATi HD 2600 and then use firmware flash to softmod it to a firegl version :D

So basically take a look at bellow platform...

Core 2 Quad Q9450 @ Rs. 12200 /- + VAT
MSI P45 Neo - F @ Rs. 6500 /- + VAT
XFX 8600 GT 512 MB / Ati HD 2600 XT @ Rs. 5500 /- + VAT
4 GB (2 GB x 2) Corsier 667 MHz @ Rs. 4200 /- + VAT
160 GB SATA @ Rs. 1800 /- + VAT
DVD RW (IDE) @ Rs. 1100 /- + VAT
Any Cabinet @ Rs. 650 /- + VAT
Zebronics / Powersafe / ColorSit 500 Watts @ Rs. 1800 /- + VAT
Any Local Keyboard Mouse @ Rs. 400 /- + VAT
UPS @ Rs. 1400 /- + VAT

TAX @ 4% Rs. 1422/-
Total Rs. 36972/-

So that leaves near about Rs. 3k free for your display personally I would suggest, right now stick with a 17" CRT which is Rs. 4k at max (LG 700E) so make sure you buy a solid core system :)

You can always add some more HDD or buy a better display letter, where as your system core would stay same for longer period of time !!!!

:D

thanks

:D

[acewin]

choto from where did u get the price of Q9450, if things keep on going I will surely get a good buy after 2 months.
besides HD3850 512MB DDR3 is already available in 6K, and if you wanna but 512 MB DDR2 there is 9500GT from Zotac.
But even then good build. with the huge plus in performance. Though my thoughts are different. as monitors lasts much longer than CPU n mobo. Damn those 15" CRT monitors 5-6 year back from the time of P3 are still there working.

I would say put extra 5K but get TFT for sure. as it really matters.

@tkin, I just said because as OS becomes older and newer hardware more powerful the support for OS and softwares running on them increases. additions on lappy are tough, cant change GPU mobo n all stuffs:(

[mkmkmk]

@Choto Cheeta ..thanks for it.if budget will allow me i will thinko of TFT.I Got amd and intel config now lets see whats available here.

why u said..."where as if you can take a bit risk, cosider ATi HD 2600 and then use firmware flash to softmod it to a firegl version"
pls clear it ..i dont want to softmod or anykind of mod .wanna stable system.

[Choto Cheeta]

choto from where did u get the price of Q9450

all prices are Kolkata street price :)

why u said..."where as if you can take a bit risk, cosider ATi HD 2600 and then use firmware flash to softmod it to a firegl version"
pls clear it ..i dont want to softmod or anykind of mod .wanna stable system.

FireGL is an ATi version of performance card meant for CAD apps running work station, now soft mod means, you load the firmware of another version in your present card to make it work like that one...

Having said that the new card should be able to have a close config as the firmware which you are loading...

in this case, its been seen that HD 2600 XT is very much similer to FireGL versions hence that firmware works pretty ok in this main stream card :)

[prasath_amd]

I have an ASUS M2N-MX mobo, currently i have a 7600GT, i'd like to upgrade to a Palit ATI Radeon HD 4850 Sonic. I heard tat this is PCI-E 2.0 Spec, Can i use it on my mobo?. I think my mobo is PCI-E 1.0 Spec, Do i have to upgrade my mobo if i wanna use the HD4850?.

[prvprv]

can anyone tel me.. for how much i can get a IDE to SATA converter in Hyderabad??

[Psychosocial]

I have an ASUS M2N-MX mobo, currently i have a 7600GT, i'd like to upgrade to a Palit ATI Radeon HD 4850 Sonic. I heard tat this is PCI-E 2.0 Spec, Can i use it on my mobo?. I think my mobo is PCI-E 1.0 Spec, Do i have to upgrade my mobo if i wanna use the HD4850?.

It can work on both PCI-E 1.0 and PCI-E 2.0.

The only difference will be the speed. It will run slightly slow on PCI-E 1.0 but the difference is not much.

[mkmkmk]

all prices are Kolkata street price :)



FireGL is an ATi version of performance card meant for CAD apps running work station, now soft mod means, you load the firmware of another version in your present card to make it work like that one...

Having said that the new card should be able to have a close config as the firmware which you are loading...

in this case, its been seen that HD 2600 XT is very much similer to FireGL versions hence that firmware works pretty ok in this main stream card :)

Thanks for clearing it...

[tkin]

all prices are Kolkata street price :)



FireGL is an ATi version of performance card meant for CAD apps running work station, now soft mod means, you load the firmware of another version in your present card to make it work like that one...

Having said that the new card should be able to have a close config as the firmware which you are loading...

in this case, its been seen that HD 2600 XT is very much similer to FireGL versions hence that firmware works pretty ok in this main stream card :)
Hey Choto Cheeta.Do you know the price of Asus P5Q in Kolkata?

[icebags]

acewin is correct. DG33FBC is sh1t. Get the MSI-P35 Neo-F for 5k.

The prices are definetly high.

Consider the Zotac 9600GT which the most VFM card. 2GB RAM will suffice.

Get the C2Q.


Ummm, i have always wondered whats the noticeable difference between these two mobos ?:confused:



Well i wanna keep my budget under 40k.. and i play games like NFS series, COD4, Gears of war, and UT3.. well my current pc cant play all of 'em but i have xbox360 and i usually game on it.. but since 360's game are very costly (and since i have to buy originals) .. i prefer pc games..

anyways here's the price list..
Q6600 -> 9400/-
E8200 -> 7300/-
Intel DG33FBC- 5050/-
VIP Cabinet ->1900/-
Seagate 500Gb hdd - 3975/-
4gb transcend 667mhz - 1950*2
4gb transcend 800mhz - 2400*2
19" viewsonic 8850/-
logitech combo 710/-
9600GT - 8550/-
8600GT - 4800/-

plz suggest alternate motherboards with prices and what changes can i make?

E8400, 8500 > Q6600, Q6700 in most cases unless u want 2 extra cores.

EXXXX --> 45nm, more fsb, more horse power.

[tkin]

Ummm, i have always wondered whats the noticeable difference between these two mobos ?:confused:





E8400, 8500 > Q6600, Q6700 in most cases unless u want 2 extra cores.

EXXXX --> 45nm, more fsb and faster.
Not necessarily, applications like Archivers(eg-7zip),Video converters that can use more than two threads efficiently will show better performance in Q6xxx series.Games and other applications that are single or dual threaded will gain edge with E8xxx series.So choice depends on type of use mostly.Best to go for Q9xxx series for a bit extra $$.:D

@mkmkmk

As far as I know, you are in need for a CAD system at Rs. 40k...

Few basic things to remember while making a CAD work station is Core would matter in those apps, hence C2Q seems good choice !!! next major thing is the GPU, compare to a main stream system, graphics GPUs are bit different !!! for example, nvidia FX series but then again they would cost more the 40k then self...

Personally I would suggest some thing with more vRAM, like 8600 GT along with 512 MB DDR2 would be good for CAD based work station, where as if you can take a bit risk, cosider ATi HD 2600 and then use firmware flash to softmod it to a firegl version :D

So basically take a look at bellow platform...

Core 2 Quad Q9450 @ Rs. 12200 /- + VAT
MSI P45 Neo - F @ Rs. 6500 /- + VAT
XFX 8600 GT 512 MB / Ati HD 2600 XT @ Rs. 5500 /- + VAT
4 GB (2 GB x 2) Corsier 667 MHz @ Rs. 4200 /- + VAT
160 GB SATA @ Rs. 1800 /- + VAT
DVD RW (IDE) @ Rs. 1100 /- + VAT
Any Cabinet @ Rs. 650 /- + VAT
Zebronics / Powersafe / ColorSit 500 Watts @ Rs. 1800 /- + VAT
Any Local Keyboard Mouse @ Rs. 400 /- + VAT
UPS @ Rs. 1400 /- + VAT

TAX @ 4% Rs. 1422/-
Total Rs. 36972/-

So that leaves near about Rs. 3k free for your display personally I would suggest, right now stick with a 17" CRT which is Rs. 4k at max (LG 700E) so make sure you buy a solid core system :)

You can always add some more HDD or buy a better display letter, where as your system core would stay same for longer period of time !!!!

:D

thanks

:D
:shock::shock::shock:
Are you sure??
ITwares list Q9450 at 17,300/- Are you talking about Q9300?

[icebags]

Not necessarily, applications like Archivers(eg-7zip),Video converters that can use more than two threads efficiently will show better performance in Q6xxx series.Games and other applications that are single or dual threaded will gain edge with E8xxx series.So choice depends on type of use mostly.Best to go for Q9xxx series for a bit extra $$.:D

:shock::shock::shock:
Are you sure??
ITwares list Q9450 at 17,300/- Are you talking about Q9300?

thats exactly what i said, if applications are core hungry, then Q6XXX will perform better , except some cases where FSB @ 1066 will pose as bottleneck.:cool: (imagine 2 cores at max and lotta data transfer going on)

Q9300 has 6M cache only, - its gonna lag soon when quads come cheaper. next quads all have double amount of cache.

i m gonna say time isnt ripe yet to get an all round quad atm.:(

[thelordrrulzzz]

Hello digitians,
I have a 3.5 year old PC and recently i discovered that i have a 512Mb SDRAM:(, no idea if its DDR1 or not but i think that 90% its not. Plus its a very old config which i badly want to upgrade.

Here's the plan which i intend to follow-
1] Processor E8400/E8300/E8200 (highly confused in this area) (someone plse help me in selecting a proper processor) (Rs 8k)
2] Intel P35 or an equivalent chipset(mobo) (Rs 5k)
3] WD Sata HDD 500Gb (Rs 3300/-)
4] 2Gb DDR-II RAM (Rs 1850)
5] A decent Zebronics cabinet with atleast 450W SMPS. (Rs 3k)
Total Cost - Rs 21k (approx)
That the max budget which i have unless if i get some more cash by selling off my old crap....
Note: Some of the above prices are found out from prime ABGB's web site (http://www.primeabgb.com) and others are rough estimtes.

The old config has is as follows-
1] Intel 845G chipset (mobo)
2] 512Mb SDRAM
3] 80Gb(master) + 250Gb(slave) Seagate HDD
4] XFX Nvidia fx5200 AGP graphics card
5] Lastly Samsung Syncmaster 793s 17" CRT monitor.
I am ready to sell off this entire configuration except for the HDD's:D
Slightly off topic, any idea how much returns will i get for this old one??

Some help in selecting the best of the components in my budget for me would be highly appreciated. Please need some urgent advice on this matter.
Thanks.
Regards:smile:

[prasath_amd]

Hi guys, after a lot of confusion, I decided on the final spec, here it is:-

- Intel Core 2 Duo E8400
- ASUS P5Q (Intel P45 Chipset)
- Transcend 4GB DDR2 800Mhz RAM(2GB x 2)
- Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 4870 1GB GDDR5 PCI-E 2.0
- Lite-On DVD writer
- Viewsonic VG2230wm (22'inch WideScreen)
- Logitech Desktop Set
- Cooler Master Stacker 832 SE ( Full Tower )
- Cooler Master Real Power Pro 650W

Any better suggestions?, Also can u tell me how this will roughly cost? Thanx :)

[abhipal]

Hello Friends I want to buy a new CPU upto 20 +-2K and need help on that.

Processor : Intel core 2duo/ 2quad

Is there noticeable performance difference between core 2 duo (E8200 and E8400) and core 2 quad (Q6600, Q6700 and Q9300)? Are the qual core processors a real quad core or is it the old double dual core processor? I am realy confused regading duo and quad, Which to buy?

Motherboard : Don't know, but one with integrated gfx card

Is there any motherboard with integrated Gfx card which can be used for game play little above than casual (Like Doom3, crisis, Diablo3)? Are the Intel original motherboard any good? Is their onboard GPU any good? I cuttently have D101GGC motherboard which have ATI 200 onboard GPU and I can play NFS MW, Carbon, Farcry, Rainbow 6 - Lockdown, Age 3 without any problem. Will these games run on G31, G33, G43 or G45? Does anybody have any personal experience? I don't want to invest in gfx card right now.



Ram : 2x1GB DDR2-800 corsair

PSU : Don't know, but with atleast 6 power supply pins i.e I must be able to connect 5HDD + 1DVD Writer.

Cabinet : iBall Gamer

DVD Writer : Sony / LG

If you feel that you have better configuration for me then feel free to post.

[Psychosocial]

Hello digitians,
I have a 3.5 year old PC and recently i discovered that i have a 512Mb SDRAM:(, no idea if its DDR1 or not but i think that 90% its not. Plus its a very old config which i badly want to upgrade.

Here's the plan which i intend to follow-
1] Processor E8400/E8300/E8200 (highly confused in this area) (someone plse help me in selecting a proper processor) (Rs 8k)
2] Intel P35 or an equivalent chipset(mobo) (Rs 5k)
3] WD Sata HDD 500Gb (Rs 3300/-)
4] 2Gb DDR-II RAM (Rs 1850)
5] A decent Zebronics cabinet with atleast 450W SMPS. (Rs 3k)
Total Cost - Rs 21k (approx)
That the max budget which i have unless if i get some more cash by selling off my old crap....
Note: Some of the above prices are found out from prime ABGB's web site (http://www.primeabgb.com) and others are rough estimtes.

The old config has is as follows-
1] Intel 845G chipset (mobo)
2] 512Mb SDRAM
3] 80Gb(master) + 250Gb(slave) Seagate HDD
4] XFX Nvidia fx5200 AGP graphics card
5] Lastly Samsung Syncmaster 793s 17" CRT monitor.
I am ready to sell off this entire configuration except for the HDD's:D
Slightly off topic, any idea how much returns will i get for this old one??

Some help in selecting the best of the components in my budget for me would be highly appreciated. Please need some urgent advice on this matter.
Thanks.
Regards:smile:

E8400 + MSI P35 Neo-F + Transcend 2GB DDR2 800MHz RAM + WD Caviar 640GB HDD + Zebronics Krish + CM500W PSU :).

And if you need a GPU, take a look at Palit 9600GSO 384MB GDDR3. Nice budget solution.

Hi guys, after a lot of confusion, I decided on the final spec, here it is:-

- Intel Core 2 Duo E8400
- ASUS P5Q (Intel P45 Chipset)
- Transcend 4GB DDR2 800Mhz RAM(2GB x 2)
- Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 4870 1GB GDDR5 PCI-E 2.0
- Lite-On DVD writer
- Viewsonic VG2230wm (22'inch WideScreen)
- Logitech Desktop Set
- Cooler Master Stacker 832 SE ( Full Tower )
- Cooler Master Real Power Pro 650W

Any better suggestions?, Also can u tell me how this will roughly cost? Thanx :)

Awesome man! Config is really nice.

[solomon_paulraj]

Please provide solutions for the following:

1. for a gaming system - what weightage should be given among the following
a. processor - how much percentage weightage
b. motherboard - how much percentage weightage
c. graphics card - how much percentage weightage

2. when selecting a processor, which should be given priority
a. frequency (or)
b. FSB (or)
c. L2 cache

3. what is hybrid graphics, can it be substituted with an high end graphics card. (or play any game in maximum settings)

4. if i can play games at a very high settings using hybrid graphics, what configuration should i go for.

5. How to compute FSB : DRAM ratio, what is its importance (in simple terms please)

Thank you.

[desiibond]

1) Get the best processor and Graphics card that you can buy. Get a mobo that has good overclocking potential and stable chipset
2) Frequency+FSB. I don't care much about Cache. A 1333MHz FSB proccy easily beats a 1066MHz FSB proccy. There are more to consider about proccy like die size coz the smaller the die size is the better the processor wattage is and more potential for overclocking
3) Hybrid graphcis means that you can use onboard GPU + PCIe GPU work together in Crossfire/SLI mode.
4) You can never beat a high end graphics card :) but hybrid graphics setup with high end graphics gets you more FPS's out of games
5) better go through overclocking tutorial for this

http://www.compunamics.com/overclocking.htm

[solomon_paulraj]

1) Get the best processor and Graphics card that you can buy. Get a mobo that has good overclocking potential and stable chipset
4) You can never beat a high end graphics card :) but hybrid graphics setup with high end graphics gets you more FPS's out of games
]

1. can you tell me what configuration i can go for if i want hybrid graphics.

2. does using hybrid graphics reduce my power consumption when not playing games.

[Choto Cheeta]

@abhipal

Why it has to be Intel ?? Why not AMD, as AMD would give far better performance under your budget allowing a X4 along side of HD 3200 onboard graphics !!!!

AMD Phenom X4 9550 @ Rs. 7700 /- + VAT
GigaBite GA-MA78GM-S2H (Onboard ATi HD3200) @ Rs. 4400 /- + VAT
2 GB DDR-II 667 Corsier (1 GB x2) @ Rs. 2100 /- + VAT
DVD RW IDE LG @ Rs. 1050 /- + VAT
iBall Gamer without PSU @ Rs. 1500 /- + VAT
Cooler Master 600 eXtreme @ Rs. 3200 /- + VAT

TAX @ 4% Rs. 798 /-
Total Rs. 20748 /-

See HD 3200 is far better than any available Intel onboard solution !!! where as Cooler Master 600 watts is a really good PSU which would make sure at-least u never have to worrey about PSU no matter ho many accessories you add :D

[desiibond]

^^ totally true. Phenom+780G is the way to go. It's a lot better setup for budget/mid-range gamers.

[Psychosocial]

1. can you tell me what configuration i can go for if i want hybrid graphics.

2. does using hybrid graphics reduce my power consumption when not playing games.

1. AMD X4 Phenom + AMD 780G mobo + ATi HD4870 + 4GB DDR2 RAM

2. NO.

[salilrane]

AsusP5K PL VM
Core 2 Duo2.53GhzE7200 - (3MB L2 cache 2.53Ghz 1066MHz)trancend 1gb 800mhz RAM

what u guys think abt it

[desiibond]

1. AMD X4 Phenom + AMD 780G mobo + ATi HD4870 + 4GB DDR2 RAM

2. NO.

HD4870 is not yet supported for Hybrid graphics. It should be 2xxx series or 3xxx series.

on the bright side, HD4870 itself is so powerful that it doens't need help of 780G's GPU :)

[solomon_paulraj]

^^ yes i agree and thank you.

I'm not going to overclock my system. in such a case what is my ideal FSB : DRAM ratio. (if it is 1:1) then please suggest which combination of processor and RAM will be good.

[MetalheadGautham]

@abhipal

Why it has to be Intel ?? Why not AMD, as AMD would give far better performance under your budget allowing a X4 along side of HD 3200 onboard graphics !!!!

AMD Phenom X4 9550 @ Rs. 7700 /- + VAT
GigaBite GA-MA78GM-S2H (Onboard ATi HD3200) @ Rs. 4400 /- + VAT
2 GB DDR-II 667 Corsier (1 GB x2) @ Rs. 2100 /- + VAT
DVD RW IDE LG @ Rs. 1050 /- + VAT
iBall Gamer without PSU @ Rs. 1500 /- + VAT
Cooler Master 600 eXtreme @ Rs. 3200 /- + VAT

TAX @ 4% Rs. 798 /-
Total Rs. 20748 /-

See HD 3200 is far better than any available Intel onboard solution !!! where as Cooler Master 600 watts is a really good PSU which would make sure at-least u never have to worrey about PSU no matter ho many accessories you add :D
9550 is Rs. 7300 now.
so with his extra 2K, I think he can add a HD3450 in hybrid graphics mode :D
that can *even* play crysis decently.
2. NO.
Depends on the gpu used.
4xxx not supported, but 2xxx and 3xxx definitely.

Also, the most powerful GPU which can be crossfiredX'ed with onboard HD3200 is HD3650, which retails at 4K for 512MB GDDR3 version. Its much better than 8600GT as an indivudual card, and combined with HD3200 IGP, it can come close to the much more expensive 9600GSO.

But I have not been lucky enough to see benchmarks of a rig with an average phenom processor and a 780G board, with comparison of 9600GSO and HD3200+HD3650. Anyone has link for one such review ?
^^ yes i agree and thank you.

I'm not going to overclock my system. in such a case what is my ideal FSB : DRAM ratio. (if it is 1:1) then please suggest which combination of processor and RAM will be good.
If you are not going to overclock your system and you give importance to memory, then why don't you try Phenom X4 setup as ChotoCheeta told ? It would be cheaper.

BTW, you might want to wait till year end so that AMD Deneb and Intel Core i7 come out if you want a long lasting rig.

[Choto Cheeta]

Not necessarily, applications like Archivers(eg-7zip),Video converters that can use more than two threads efficiently will show better performance in Q6xxx series.Games and other applications that are single or dual threaded will gain edge with E8xxx series.So choice depends on type of use mostly.Best to go for Q9xxx series for a bit extra $$.:D


:shock::shock::shock:
Are you sure??
ITwares list Q9450 at 17,300/- Are you talking about Q9300?

Is IT wares GOD ??? I mean come to Kolkata and we can shop together at that price...

if you are considering Web Marketting, then why not DeltaPage ?? http://www.deltapage.com/ at their end, incl VAT and all tax it is Rs. 14k !!!!

[desiibond]

Ejjactly.

h/w prices at IT Wares is always lot higher than the same at other dealers.

If I configure a pc worth 30k at IT Wares, I can get the same config for 3k-5k less at a local dealer.

There is one more such dealer "computer warehouse". Believe it or not, E8500 costs 11.5k there when I can get it for 8.5k at SP Road.

[janitha]

Is IT wares GOD ??? I mean come to Kolkata and we can shop together at that price...

if you are considering Web Marketting, then why not DeltaPage ?? http://www.deltapage.com/ at their end, incl VAT and all tax it is Rs. 14k !!!!

Never knew there was so much of difference. But I doubt we get such high end processors anywhere here in Kerala![

[tkin]

Is IT wares GOD ??? I mean come to Kolkata and we can shop together at that price...

if you are considering Web Marketting, then why not DeltaPage ?? http://www.deltapage.com/ at their end, incl VAT and all tax it is Rs. 14k !!!!
Thanks for the info.:)
Anyway, I live in KOLKATA myself and being a novice I had no idea that such huge differences in price exists between some online sites(ITwares) and street prices here.The graphic cards prices of ITwares seemed a bit high and outdated too. Should've checked it out.:(
Could you mention a few shops here so I can check the prices.:smile:
What about E8600(3.33GHz)?:D

[imgame2]

Is IT wares GOD ??? I mean come to Kolkata and we can shop together at that price...

if you are considering Web Marketting, then why not DeltaPage ?? http://www.deltapage.com/ at their end, incl VAT and all tax it is Rs. 14k !!!!

even deltapage is costly ...i live in chennai and i know the shop and i have been there ..today i asked for the price for Coolermaster600 W/corsair VX450 and he quoted me 3.75k and gecube HD4850 for 11.5k ...asking other dealers revealed it is 3.3k for Coolermaster 600W and Vx450.... which is costlier than what is stated at itwares ..but including shipping it will cost me the same.

point is u can get only few things at good price at a shop ...and specially online shops ...don't bother to change the stuff thats not selling ...this is the case with ITwares ....the stuff thats selling hot ..its price is updated regularly ....for latest price always call up and ask the guy ....

i m not into online shopping or anything ...but online shops can only give u an idea ...for better deals its always better to do research in local market ...atleast for stuff like mobo and proccy.

[janitha]

even deltapage is costly ...i live in chennai and i know the shop and i have been there ..today i asked for the price for Coolermaster600 W/corsair VX450 and he quoted me 3.75k and gecube HD4850 for 11.5k ...asking other dealers revealed it is 3.3k for Coolermaster 600W and Vx450.... which is costlier than what is stated at itwares ..but including shipping it will cost me the same.

point is u can get only few things at good price at a shop ...and specially online shops ...don't bother to change the stuff thats not selling ...this is the case with ITwares ....the stuff thats selling hot ..its price is updated regularly ....for latest price always call up and ask the guy ....

i m not into online shopping or anything ...but online shops can only give u an idea ...for better deals its always better to do research in local market ...atleast for stuff like mobo and proccy.

Yes, this seems to be the the scenario in most of the online shops.

[thelordrrulzzz]

E8400 + MSI P35 Neo-F + Transcend 2GB DDR2 800MHz RAM + WD Caviar 640GB HDD + Zebronics Krish + CM500W PSU :).

And if you need a GPU, take a look at Palit 9600GSO 384MB GDDR3. Nice budget solution.



@KPowerMania
Thanks a lot for the valuable suggestion. So after much thought i have decided the following upgrade for temporarily-
1] E8400 Processor (8k)
2] MSI P35 Neo-F (may be around 4k).
But too bad it has only 1 IDE slot coz i wanted to connect my IDE based 1 Lite ON DVD Writer and 2 HDD's (80Gb+250Gb) but now will be connecting my 250Gb and the writer only.
3] Transcend 2GB DDR2 800MHz RAM (Rs 1850/-)
4] Western Digital 500Gb HDD (Model: WD5000AAKS) (Rs 3500/-)
5] Zebronics Krish Cabinet (Rs 950/-) and Cool Master CM500W SMPS
(around Rs 2650/-)
Total Cost- Rs 21k approx (fits in my budget)
NOTE: I will be using the PC for occasional gaming, programming and multimedia purpose.

Finally i need answers to a few small doubts-
1] Does the CM500W has sufficient connectors to connect the
2 HDD's (500Gb+250GB), Lite ON DVD writer, the mobo, RAM and the other peripherals??
2] The RAM frequency of 800Mhz is good enough for this config or does it need to be more??
Thanks:)
Regards.

[icebags]

@KPowerMania
Thanks a lot for the valuable suggestion. So after much thought i have decided the following upgrade for temporarily-
1] E8400 Processor (8k)
2] MSI P35 Neo-F (may be around 4k).
But too bad it has only 1 IDE slot coz i wanted to connect my IDE based 1 Lite ON DVD Writer and 2 HDD's (80Gb+250Gb) but now will be connecting my 250Gb and the writer only.
3] Transcend 2GB DDR2 800MHz RAM (Rs 1850/-)
4] Western Digital 500Gb HDD (Model: WD5000AAKS) (Rs 3500/-)
5] Zebronics Krish Cabinet (Rs 950/-) and Cool Master CM500W SMPS
(around Rs 2650/-)
Total Cost- Rs 21k approx (fits in my budget)
NOTE: I will be using the PC for occasional gaming, programming and multimedia purpose.

Finally i need answers to a few small doubts-
1] Does the CM500W has sufficient connectors to connect the
2 HDD's (500Gb+250GB), Lite ON DVD writer, the mobo, RAM and the other peripherals??
2] The RAM frequency of 800Mhz is good enough for this config or does it need to be more??
Thanks:)
Regards.

1] if its CM500W extreme power plus, then it has a hell lot of connectors , u wont hav to worry abt connecting at all. :D
2] All these core 2Duos / Core2 Quads ahave 1333MHz FSB , that means 2 X 667MHz RAMs are ok. but benchmarks show 2-3 FPS increase in different games if u get 2 X 800MHz RAMs.

Some high end extreme core processors habe 1600MHz FSB tho.

[batsD1]

Been searching and reading and finally decided. What do you think??

Tagan BZ800 800W Modular Power Supply
Core 2 Quad Q9450
ASUS P5Q Deluxe
Graphics - Sapphire / Radeon HD 4870 512 MB
RAM - 2 x 1 GB G-Skill F2-6400CL5S-2GBPQ (800MHz)
HDD -2 x 500 GB Western Digital Model: WD5000AAJS
1 20x Sony lite scribe dvd and 1 20x RW- DVD
Creative 5300 5.1
Monitor - Dell SP2208WFP
Cabinet - Cooler master CM 690

Should be able to squeeze everything within 75 to 80 big ones.

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^^

Gr8, just a thought about speakers, that why not T6060 ?? T6060 (Creative) is far better than 5300 at-least :lol:

[desiibond]

Been searching and reading and finally decided. What do you think??

Tagan BZ800 800W Modular Power Supply
Core 2 Quad Q9450
ASUS P5Q Deluxe
Graphics - Sapphire / Radeon HD 4870 512 MB
RAM - 2 x 1 GB G-Skill F2-6400CL5S-2GBPQ (800MHz)
HDD -2 x 500 GB Western Digital Model: WD5000AAJS
1 20x Sony lite scribe dvd and 1 20x RW- DVD
Creative 5300 5.1
Monitor - Dell SP2208WFP
Cabinet - Cooler master CM 690

Should be able to squeeze everything within 75 to 80 big ones.

get 4gig RAM to be at par with the powerful processor and GPU

there is only some 400 bucks difference between 500Gb and 640Gb HDD's. Get WD 640Gb HDD. It has two 320Gb platters and is pretty fast.

Get Logitech X-540 or Philips MMS460 5.1. These will blow away Creative 5300, which btw sucks to the core. If you are fan of Creative labs, Get T6060 and Choto mentioned.

[salilrane]

AsusP5K PL VM
Core 2 Duo2.53GhzE7200 - (3MB L2 cache 2.53Ghz 1066MHz)
trancend 1gb 800mhz RAM

what u guys think abt it

hmmm no reply

all must be busy

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^^

Why Intel ?? Same budget would allow X3 + 780G naa ??

[tkin]

^^^^

Why Intel ?? Same budget would allow X3 + 780G naa ??
To be honest Intel is way ahead of AMD in terms of performance.
Also the X3 has some issues with the 3rd core.Seems some applications can't use it.But its price vs performance is good.

OFF TOPIC-Please take a look at this- http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96649
Its getting out of hand.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[prasath_amd]

HEY GUYS, PLEASE CLARIFY THIS :confused:

Ok I want to be clear abt one thing, I see many were opting for a tri-core or a quad-core AMD Phenom...........but i see that that phenom has a pathetic 1MB L2 Cache, Only the L3 Cache is shared btw the cores.......Intel on the other hand has 6-12MB Caches even on its dual-cores.........i think performance wise Intel wins hands down........But while going in the value-for-money way AMD is the best choice..........

[desiibond]

Intel may have a better processor but their chipset suck and AMD wins hands down when the chipset is also taken into account.

Name one intel chipset that can play crysis??

ATI 780G can play crysis.

[prasath_amd]

Intel may have a better processor but their chipset suck and AMD wins hands down when the chipset is also taken into account.

Name one intel chipset that can play crysis??

ATI 780G can play crysis.

What? @ Ultra-low settings? :D

[desiibond]

^^ at low to medium settings. It has X3200 onboard and name one Intel chipset that can run crysis atleast till the main menu :)

[acewin]

max 6 MB in C2D and 12MB in C2Q. And if you consider performance, then you should check between P4 and Athlon proccies earlier. P4 proccy beated Athlon even with low L1-L2 cache.

Besides its just 780G chipset mobo for Ati and Geforece 8200/8300 for nVidia making things better with HD support and all making the bundle better in 4.5K, equally good intel mobo costs more. so VFM or performanc/money ratio for AMD is for sure better.

Intel original mobos in same price do not have same bundle, costs more.

Generally people who wanna stick to intel config not wanting price performance ratio.

[tkin]

Intel may have a better processor but their chipset suck and AMD wins hands down when the chipset is also taken into account.

Name one intel chipset that can play crysis??

ATI 780G can play crysis.
Intel will have Larabee-Don't forget that.
Now look at this- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA
Intel GMA X3xxx and X4500 series has pretty good specs.

NO ONE USES ONBOARD GRAPHICS TO PLAY GAMES LIKE CRYSIS.
If you have a descent graphic card Intel will beat AMD hands down.Even Intel C2D processors beat AMD quad core processors without a hitch.

ATI may have graphics but when it comes to computational power Intel chipsets are unbeatable.That's the primary function of the chipset ,not rendering graphics.It so happens Intel has already started to discard graphics in their higher end chipsets(P35/P45) cause most users will add a discrete graphic card.
Face it, L2/L3 cache matters and as long as AMD don't improve them they will play second to intel.
But for low budget AMD's good.
P.S-I used AMD once.So I have nothing against them.But Intel's pull way ahead.

[channabasanna]

Hi All,
I am planning to buy CPU Cooler for my Q6600 tomorrow, my budget is 2.5 - 3k with fan n CPU Cooler. I have planned for OCZ Vendetta 2, is it available in Bangalore. Else please do suggest me a good cooler within this range.

[Psychosocial]

^^Zalman CNPS9700

[channabasanna]

How much does it cost, is it available in Bangalore. Which stores

[Choto Cheeta]

Ok I want to be clear abt one thing, I see many were opting for a tri-core or a quad-core AMD Phenom...........but i see that that phenom has a pathetic 1MB L2 Cache, Only the L3 Cache is shared btw the cores.......Intel on the other hand has 6-12MB Caches even on its dual-cores.........i think performance wise Intel wins hands down........But while going in the value-for-money way AMD is the best choice..........

Its not only about your processor, as a high end processor couple with a low end mobo would never be able to do any better :)

Where as in case of AMD you get really cheap but performance motherboard option along with best available on board graphics solution !!!!

So savings in Procy + Mobo means you can invest that extra bucks on other PC hardware parts too to ge some extra performance out from them as well...

Hence when budget is low / tight, AMD based system always bells out better performance compare to similar budget Intel solution !!!

[desiibond]

How much does it cost, is it available in Bangalore. Which stores


Should be. Check at Golcha in SP Road.

[prasath_amd]

Its not only about your processor, as a high end processor couple with a low end mobo would never be able to do any better :)

Where as in case of AMD you get really cheap but performance motherboard option along with best available on board graphics solution !!!!

So savings in Procy + Mobo means you can invest that extra bucks on other PC hardware parts too to ge some extra performance out from them as well...

Hence when budget is low / tight, AMD based system always bells out better performance compare to similar budget Intel solution !!!

OK I AGREE 100%, BUT,

How many in India buy AMD-based systems??????????????? TELL ME, Because Everyone of u know the truth, i think 80% of PC sales in india is budget oriented, but the stupid thing they'll do is go for an entry-level intel garbage........which totally sucks at the lower -end..........( Dont mistake me guys, I Think Intel is not suitable for entry-level systems, but for high-end gaming & professional-work systems, Intel is the best choice :) )

I've tried to tell to many, but they didn't wanna listen........they'll just go to an store and ask for and ADVANCED INTEL CHIPSET while their budget being around 35,000/-, Tell me, for that budget whether intel or AMD is good?. Tell me.........Mostly everyone is blindly choosing intel, according to them, AMD is just a poor cousin, :mad:

Hey, yesterday i went to a local dealer to buy a pen drive for my friend, He was having a list of pre-prepared-configs, All of them were intel-based!!!!!!!!!!! all of them were entry-level systems!!!!!!!!!!..........What is he doing? According to me this is absoultely stupid..........those things comes with X3000 onboard, AMD onboards can beat the **** out of these entry-level intel garbage..........

Let me tell one of my exp = We were trying out Quake 4 demo before it was released, I tried it on two of my friend's systems, one is a P4 with Intel GMA900 onboard, other is a AMD A64 3000+ with nVidia GF6100 onboard, quake 4 didn't even initialize on the stupid intel, but it ran very smoothly @ med-settings on the AMD machine....................After explainig this to my friend, he said, if I had met u before I bought the system, surely, I'd have bought an AMD..............

ALL OF THIS I'M SAYING IS FOR budget-based buyers only, because i think almost 80% of PC sales in India were budget-based solutions............and if we have to make an optimal choice, then those 80% sales should've been AMD based systems, but is it?............... :mad:

[harryneopotter]

I totally agree with Chotu Cheeta and prasath_amd. At entry level, AMD beats the hell out of INTEL configs. Last year I assembled My Second PC (1st one was a second hand PIII), after doing lot of research on net and magzines ( month approx) and decided to go for AMD. Since then, i have sold -9 systems, all entry level (ranging 18k-31k) and needless to say all AMD configs. And no one has ever complained of any performance issues till date. If only there was a little more awareness about AMD among indian users, it wld have been a totally different scenerio in the Market Share. I am happy with AMD and doing my bit in spreading word bout it. Though i am not at all against Intel coz as for now, Intel is the performance king in High end segment. Still I hope AMD will get things right again with Fusion to prevent any possible monopoly by Intel.

[icebags]

Intel may have a better processor but their chipset suck and AMD wins hands down when the chipset is also taken into account.



how abt intel G31 chipset ? its ccomes at 2.5k-3k range and according to tech specifications its quite decent.

tell me what noticable flaws it has when coupled with a highest end C2D E8500/8600 ?
i know it doesnt hav too mant slots/features, but what limitaions it has in performance wise when used with such a procy and a hugh end gfx card ?

[tkin]

how abt intel G31 chipset ? its ccomes at 2.5k-3k range and according to tech specifications its quite decent.

tell me what noticable flaws it has when coupled with a highest end C2D E8500/8600 ?
i know it doesnt hav too mant slots/features, but what limitaions it has in performance wise when used with such a procy and a hugh end gfx card ?
Limitations are:-

1.Supports upto 4GB DDR2 800MHz RAM only on two slots. (Most recent chipsets support 8GB on 4 slots)
2.Onboard audio supports 5.1 channel. (Most recent chipsets go for 7.1)
3.4 SATA ports only.
4.Doesnot support RAID.
5.No fireware.

But it has GMA X3100 which gives it an edge over the rest.

If you don't want the aforementioned features then great Mobo at great price.:grin:

[prasath_amd]

Limitations are:-

1.Supports upto 4GB DDR2 800MHz RAM only on two slots. (Most recent chipsets support 8GB on 4 slots)
2.Onboard audio supports 5.1 channel. (Most recent chipsets go for 7.1)
3.4 SATA ports only.
4.Doesnot support RAID.
5.No fireware.



Budget ( OR ) Mid range ( OR ) Casual Gamer = AMD :)

Professional User ( OR ) Enthusiast ( OR ) Crazy Gamer = Intel :cool:

[thelordrrulzzz]

After browsing through the net i have discovered that the MSI P35 Neo-F chipset requires an additionally graphics solutions. Due to this i have decided to modify my chipset selection.
I have decided to go for the Intel DG33TL chipset keeping the remaining components same.

Finally i found a efficient way to make use of my old config. I intend to buy a LAN card and a LAN cable to convert my old config into a server for my downloading purpose.

Any further suggestions regarding the components selection??
Is there any other alternative to the DG33TL mobo??

[Choto Cheeta]

Any further suggestions regarding the components selection??
Is there any other alternative to the DG33TL mobo??

Intel has good rather great after sales in India (though there are certain issues) but still my personal vote would be avoiding intel when using a Core 2 processor due to the locked BIOS of Intel boards...

Try and obtain similar range Gigabite products :D

thanks.

[acewin]

After browsing through the net i have discovered that the MSI P35 Neo-F chipset requires an additionally graphics solutions. Due to this i have decided to modify my chipset selection.
I have decided to go for the Intel DG33TL chipset keeping the remaining components same.

Finally i found a efficient way to make use of my old config. I intend to buy a LAN card and a LAN cable to convert my old config into a server for my downloading purpose.

Any further suggestions regarding the components selection??
Is there any other alternative to the DG33TL mobo??

add a low end gfx card like 256 or 512 MB 8400GS will cost you less than 2K
Intel origial P35 based mobo will also not have GPU.
If you are skeptical about price going high buy same performance chipset(Palit P35A) based Palit mobo in 4.2K + 512 MB DDR2 8400GS which would be much much better than x3100 onboard gfx be it you playing little game or watching movie..

The only benefit of MSI P35 Neo-F over any of the P35 based mobo is its expansion capability to DDR3 RAM latter it has 2 DIMMs for DDR2 RAM and 2 DIMM for DDR3 RAM, hence I would recommend you to go with it if you can spending little more money

[tkin]

Intel has good rather great after sales in India (though there are certain issues) but still my personal vote would be avoiding intel when using a Core 2 processor due to the locked BIOS of Intel boards...

Try and obtain similar range Gigabite products :D

thanks.
Well, regular PC users won't have to do any overclocking for the C2Ds and for them Intel motherboards will not just suffice but their stability will also become a major plus point for them.3rd party vendors are for Overclockers and enthusiasts mainly and regular users won't be using half of the extra features that those mobos offer and then they will not be much better than the Intel counterparts.So better to go for Intel if uses don't go beyond office work and simple media tasks like watching movies and so on so on.

For gamers/performance enthusiasts-Avoid Intel at all costs.

[Psychosocial]

After browsing through the net i have discovered that the MSI P35 Neo-F chipset requires an additionally graphics solutions. Due to this i have decided to modify my chipset selection.
I have decided to go for the Intel DG33TL chipset keeping the remaining components same.

Finally i found a efficient way to make use of my old config. I intend to buy a LAN card and a LAN cable to convert my old config into a server for my downloading purpose.

Any further suggestions regarding the components selection??
Is there any other alternative to the DG33TL mobo??

Ever considered the 650i chipset from NVIDIA ?

Good onboard + OC'ing.

Galaxy 650i LT is a nice mobo.

[Choto Cheeta]

Ever considered the 650i chipset from NVIDIA ?

Good onboard + OC'ing.

Galaxy 650i LT is a nice mobo.

Since when Nvidia 650i is coming with onboard GPU ?? As far as I know 650i doesnt have any on board GPU... Also the best of the lot XFX 650i ultra is a discontinued product...

Now days one should prefer P35 over 650i chipset... ABiT IP35-E would be better bet over a 650i product !!!!!

Where as onboard option are there in nvidia 610i and 630i :) for example, XFX 630i 7150 (http://www.chotocheeta.com/2008/01/20/quick-look-review-at-xfx-630i-7150-motherboard-for-a-budget-yes-performance-quad-core-system/)

[Psychosocial]

Since when Nvidia 650i is coming with onboard GPU ?? As far as I know 650i doesnt have any on board GPU... Also the best of the lot XFX 650i ultra is a discontinued product...

Now days one should prefer P35 over 650i chipset... ABiT IP35-E would be better bet over a 650i product !!!!!

Where as onboard option are there in nvidia 610i and 630i :) for example, XFX 630i 7150 (http://www.chotocheeta.com/2008/01/20/quick-look-review-at-xfx-630i-7150-motherboard-for-a-budget-yes-performance-quad-core-system/)

Wait a sec Choto, ABIT IP35e is an EOL. I have heard that somewhere. Anyways XFX 630i has a nice onboard. Other options for 630i are Palit N73 and Zotac's 630i mobo.

[janitha]

Wait a sec Choto, ABIT IP35e is an EOL. I have heard that somewhere. Anyways XFX 630i has a nice onboard. Other options for 630i are Palit N73 and Zotac's 630i mobo.

Not just that! Even Abit as a Mobo maker is EOL if the news spreading across the net is true.

[tkin]

Is the ASUS P5Q mobo available in Kolkata and does anyone know the price if it is?
(Q goes to all Kolkatans)

[Psychosocial]

^^Definitely Kolkata retailers will be selling that.

Dunno the price. Around 8k maybe.

[rahulbalmuri]

PLS HELP ME..

hi guys..i need some help from you...my budget is about 30k-35000.. i need motherboard+graphic card+processor+4GB RAM+WD hard disk and a power supply(ATX cabinet)..i forgot i need cabinet too..

motherboard must have onboard graphics 7.1 HD audio..6-8 USB ports..RAID..with crossfire capability

coming to graphic card..it must be 512MB..n it must meet the requirements of games upto 2008 august..

Processor must give best performance for games..u know what i'm talking about...C2D..ok

RAM 4GB ofcourse costs Rs.2500(1Gb=750)..so remaining money is for the rest..

so my system must be for entertainment..if it meets entertainment it also meets business...so gimme the details of the website..n specifications etc.,

[Psychosocial]

PLS HELP ME..

hi guys..i need some help from you...my budget is about 30k-35000.. i need motherboard+graphic card+processor+4GB RAM+WD hard disk and a power supply(ATX cabinet)..i forgot i need cabinet too..

motherboard must have onboard graphics 7.1 HD audio..6-8 USB ports..RAID..with crossfire capability..even overclocked version is enough

coming to graphic card..it must be 512MB..n it must meet the requirements of games upto 2008 august..

Processor must give best performance for games..u know what i'm talking about...C2D..ok

RAM 4GB ofcourse costs Rs.2500(1Gb=750)..so remaining money is for the rest..

so my system must be for entertainment..if it meets entertainment it also meets business...so gimme the details of the website..n specifications etc.,


abbe tujhe toh 30k sab kuch loot lena hain. for the above mentioned things, you need to have a greater budget.

Intel C2D E8200 - 7.5k -->> http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAPP

ASUS P5Q Deluxe - 12.5k --> http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=2257&l1=3&l2=11&l3=709&l4=0

Transcend DDR2 667MHz 4GB RAM - 3k -->http://www.transcendusa.com/Products/MemList.asp?srhMemWay=STD&LangNo=0

Sapphire HD4850 -10.6k --> http://www.sapphiretech.com/us/products/products_overview.php?gpid=244

Western Digital Caviar 640GB -3.6k -->http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=394

CoolerMaster CM690 -3.5k -->http://www.coolermaster.com/products/product.php?act=detail&id=2908

CoolerMaster 600W PSU -3.1k -->http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?category_id=27&product_id=2739

This should do the trick. Better eXtend your budget :D.

[icebags]

Limitations are:-

1.Supports upto 4GB DDR2 800MHz RAM only on two slots. (Most recent chipsets support 8GB on 4 slots)
2.Onboard audio supports 5.1 channel. (Most recent chipsets go for 7.1)
3.4 SATA ports only.
4.Doesnot support RAID.
5.No fireware.

But it has GMA X3100 which gives it an edge over the rest.

If you don't want the aforementioned features then great Mobo at great price.:grin:

that is what i said lol feature wise many limitations - only 2 PCI slots also !
but performance wise it seems ok.

[SenthilAnandh]

Hi Guys

Please clarify this.

Which is the best in price performance comparison (Consider only medium end) and gaming and future proof.

1) An phenom X4 processor with latest amd mobo and HD4870 or
2) An intel quad with P45 mobo and HD4870

If I get a C2Q now will it be upgradeable after 2 years (with nehalem having new socket) on the other hand if i get a phenom now will it be upgradeable after 2 years (does the socket will be same future amd processors)

Please clarify it.

[imgame2]

Hi Guys

Please clarify this.

Which is the best in price performance comparison (Consider only medium end) and gaming and future proof.

1) An phenom X4 processor with latest amd mobo and HD4870 or
2) An intel quad with P45 mobo and HD4870

If I get a C2Q now will it be upgradeable after 2 years (with nehalem having new socket) on the other hand if i get a phenom now will it be upgradeable after 2 years (does the socket will be same future amd processors)

Please clarify it.

for gaming intel quad with a P45 mobo and HD4870 will beat the phenom competition any day ....so if u want gaming its intel combination all the way

and no C2Q can't be upgraded to nehalem cos nehalem uses a different chipset and socket altogether ...so with nehalem u will have to buy a new mobo ...but don't worry as nehalem will intially be for high-end only ...and will be very costly only after a year or so it will come to mainstream market...

[tkin]

Hi Guys

Please clarify this.

Which is the best in price performance comparison (Consider only medium end) and gaming and future proof.

1) An phenom X4 processor with latest amd mobo and HD4870 or
2) An intel quad with P45 mobo and HD4870

If I get a C2Q now will it be upgradeable after 2 years (with nehalem having new socket) on the other hand if i get a phenom now will it be upgradeable after 2 years (does the socket will be same future amd processors)

Please clarify it.

Nehalem at the time of launch will burn the deepest hole in your pocket.
Have to wait least a year for cheaper mainstream products.(Remember C2D)

For gaming get either:-

1.Dual Core-Intel E8400/E8500/(E8600-If available) at 7.5/8.5/
(10.5k-Estimate) respectively(Good for gaming)
OR
2.Quad Core-Intel Q9300/Q9450 at 11/14k respectively.

[P.S-Don't go for Q6600,Its already outdated when target is gaming]

Mobo-ASUS P5Q/P5Q-PRO/P5Q-Deluxe at 8/9/12.5K respectively (P45)*

*Intel P45s aren't available here yet.

ATI HD4870(Mid-range) or HD4850x2(Better)(A little on the higher side)

AND YES, NO UPGRADE POSSIBLE ON ANY OF THE PLATFORMS(AT LEAST NOT WITH INTEL)

[imgame2]

ATI HD4870(Mid-range) or HD4850x2(Better)(A little on the higher side)

HD4850x2 is not yet out and will take about two to three months to be available at decent price in market in India ..even if it is launched next month in September.

moreover its rumored to be priced at $399 against $299 when it was launched ....so expect to cost 25k initially in India.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8899&Itemid=34

[tkin]

HD4850x2 is not yet out and will take about two to three months to be available at decent price in market in India ..even if it is launched next month in September.

moreover its rumored to be priced at $399 against $299 when it was launched ....so expect to cost 25k initially in India.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8899&Itemid=34
That's what I said.

HD4850x2 will be pricey.

What about HD3870x2?

[thelordrrulzzz]

@acewin
thanks for the info regarding graphics cards. I have checked out a few of them and i am a bit confused. Can you or someone plse tell me the difference between the GeForce 8600GTS, GT and the latest in the range GeForce 8600GT 256MB DDR3 DUAL. What does the DDR3 Dual mean???

Is the DDR3 Dual card compatible with the MSI P35 Neo-F chipset??? Which one would be a good buy considering the fact that all the 8600 cards are in the range of Rs 4200 to 4400???

According to theitwares.com site the 8600GT 512Mb is costing Rs 4200 and primeabgb.com states the XFX GeForce 8600GT 256MB DDR3 DUAL at
Rs 4400. I don't see any significant difference in the prices so i will go with the card which should serve me well for atleast 1.5 to 2 years in future. In that case will MSI P35 Neo-F mobo + GeForce 8600GT 256MB DDR3 DUAL graphics soln be a good option to go for??

[tkin]

@acewin
thanks for the info regarding graphics cards. I have checked out a few of them and i am a bit confused. Can you or someone plse tell me the difference between the GeForce 8600GTS, GT and the latest in the range GeForce 8600GT 256MB DDR3 DUAL. What does the DDR3 Dual mean???

Is the DDR3 Dual card compatible with the MSI P35 Neo-F chipset??? Which one would be a good buy considering the fact that all the 8600 cards are in the range of Rs 4200 to 4400???

According to theitwares.com site the 8600GT 512Mb is costing Rs 4200 and primeabgb.com states the XFX GeForce 8600GT 256MB DDR3 DUAL at
Rs 4400. I don't see any significant difference in the prices so i will go with the card which should serve me well for atleast 1.5 to 2 years in future. In that case will MSI P35 Neo-F mobo + GeForce 8600GT 256MB DDR3 DUAL graphics soln be a good option to go for??
Don't get it.Clearly from your post one card has 512MB memory while the other has 256MB at higher price.
Its REALLY obvious-Go for higher memory.

[imgame2]

What about HD3870x2?

what about it ?

[tkin]

what about it ?
Seen it give some really good results at benchmarks in some websites.Don't know about the price or availablility here.But looks like a real performer.
1. http://www.techspot.com/review/86-ati-radeon-hd-3870-x2/
2. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3209
Theres more out there.Just google for 3870x2 review.

Price should be around 14~18k

[imgame2]

Seen it give some really good results at benchmarks in some websites.Don't know about the price or availablility here.But looks like a real performer.
1. http://www.techspot.com/review/86-ati-radeon-hd-3870-x2/
2. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3209
Theres more out there.Just google for 3870x2 review.

Price should be around 14~18k

no doubt its a good performer ..but price is the problem as far as i know in india its priced for 21k to 23k but availability might be a problem...

[Psychosocial]

@acewin
thanks for the info regarding graphics cards. I have checked out a few of them and i am a bit confused. Can you or someone plse tell me the difference between the GeForce 8600GTS, GT and the latest in the range GeForce 8600GT 256MB DDR3 DUAL. What does the DDR3 Dual mean???

Is the DDR3 Dual card compatible with the MSI P35 Neo-F chipset??? Which one would be a good buy considering the fact that all the 8600 cards are in the range of Rs 4200 to 4400???

According to theitwares.com site the 8600GT 512Mb is costing Rs 4200 and primeabgb.com states the XFX GeForce 8600GT 256MB DDR3 DUAL at
Rs 4400. I don't see any significant difference in the prices so i will go with the card which should serve me well for atleast 1.5 to 2 years in future. In that case will MSI P35 Neo-F mobo + GeForce 8600GT 256MB DDR3 DUAL graphics soln be a good option to go for??

That 512MB model will be sporting GDDR2 RAM and not GDDR3. Anyways the MSi N8600GT 256MB GDDR3 is a nice grafix card. ASUS EN8600GT 256MB GDDR3 is also something you should look forward to :). The mobo is good.

[imgame2]

one more thing i think POV is good company and so is EVGA ...and both are available with tirupati ...u should keep a tab on prices about gtx260 ..EVGA plain gtx260 cost about $289 in us ...which is also the price of sapphire HD4870 ..so it should cost about 17-18k ....if u buy a evga u will not be disappointed ...evga is much better than XFX.

[tkin]

one more thing i think POV is good company and so is EVGA ...and both are available with tirupati ...u should keep a tab on prices about gtx260 ..EVGA plain gtx260 cost about $289 in us ...which is also the price of sapphire HD4870 ..so it should cost about 17-18k ....if u buy a evga u will not be disappointed ...evga is much better than XFX.
How's EVGA customer support in India?

[imgame2]

dude ur own tirupati from kolkata is the sole distributor of EVGA in india ....as far as i know if u register the product online u get a limited life time warranty...so i don't think u will face any problem with support ...

[Psychosocial]

^^Good but cr@p compared to US.

[imgame2]

^^Good but cr@p compared to US.

within kolkata i don't think there should be any problem..

[tkin]

Thanks, and I too think there should be no problem as the Distributer is in Kolkata.

[thelordrrulzzz]

@KPower Mania
but which among the two is better??? I suppose the GDDR3 enjoys an upper hand in comparison with the GDDR2.
I want to buy a card (preferrably the one with GDDR3) which wouldn't attract my attention for atleast the coming year and a half. In that respect which graphics soln is good???

Finally does the MSI P35 Neo-F mobo support GDDR3??

[SenthilAnandh]

Nehalem at the time of launch will burn the deepest hole in your pocket.
Have to wait least a year for cheaper mainstream products.(Remember C2D)

For gaming get either:-

1.Dual Core-Intel E8400/E8500/(E8600-If available) at 7.5/8.5/
(10.5k-Estimate) respectively(Good for gaming)
OR
2.Quad Core-Intel Q9300/Q9450 at 11/14k respectively.

[P.S-Don't go for Q6600,Its already outdated when target is gaming]

Mobo-ASUS P5Q/P5Q-PRO/P5Q-Deluxe at 8/9/12.5K respectively (P45)*

*Intel P45s aren't available here yet.

ATI HD4870(Mid-range) or HD4850x2(Better)(A little on the higher side)

AND YES, NO UPGRADE POSSIBLE ON ANY OF THE PLATFORMS(AT LEAST NOT WITH INTEL)


Thanks for your reply guys. I am ready to go with intel but my main concern is about upgrading. It will not be upgradable after 2 years, again i need to spend for mobo processor etc. But if i am ready to scarifice some performance today will it be possible to upgrade an AMD sytem after 2 years??? How much performace difference will be there with intel and amd system?

[tkin]

Thanks for your reply guys. I am ready to go with intel but my main concern is about upgrading. It will not be upgradable after 2 years, again i need to spend for mobo processor etc. But if i am ready to scarifice some performance today will it be possible to upgrade an AMD sytem after 2 years??? How much performace difference will be there with intel and amd system?
Theres no guarantee that AMD will not update their Socket in 2 years or so.As they upgrade their products so they will need to upgrade their sockets sometime later-could be 2yrs/5yrs or even less.So getting AMD will not give you any assurance of compatibllity.:mad:

And as for performance the difference in Intel and AMD are as much as hell and earth.Even dual core Intel can beat quad core AMD hands down.So its a smart idea to get the best now which will make you futureproof for atleast
2-3 yrs(yes,even P4 cpus are good for gaming as long as you have a descent graphic card:)) )

So get the best now and don't think of the future.The next Intel product(Larabee) is breathing down on the neck of Nehalem.So get it(wolfdale/yorkfield) while its hot.:D

[Psychosocial]

@KPower Mania
but which among the two is better??? I suppose the GDDR3 enjoys an upper hand in comparison with the GDDR2.
I want to buy a card (preferrably the one with GDDR3) which wouldn't attract my attention for atleast the coming year and a half. In that respect which graphics soln is good???

Finally does the MSI P35 Neo-F mobo support GDDR3??

yus, true. GDDR3 is better :). Look at MSI and ASUS variants. Leave alone XFX :D. And regarding P35, it dosent concern wether it supports or not, AFA it has a PCI-e x16 any PCI-ex16 compatible card will run:). But I wont confuse you with this and say "Yus, it supports GDDR3".

[acewin]

@thelordrrulzzz
For you to decide things properly check this linkhttp://www.lynx-india.com/index.php?categoryID=934&show_all=yes

I do not know the genuinity of availability @lynx though lynx is good online point, but according to the quoted prices you can check local market or order from lynx.

About 8600GT there is not DDR3 version of 512 models all got 512MB DDR2,
but if u check the link I gave you will find HD3650 512MB DDR2 model of XpertVision and HD3850 and 9600GT of interest.

8600GT 256 MB DDR3 would be in 3.5K from MSI

any of the gfx card would be compatible, the compatibility is not in terms of DDR2/DDR3 but whether they are PCI Express 2.0 or like that. All of those cards are compatible

MSI P35 Neo-F supports DDR3 RAM( normal RAM not graphic RAM), not many mobos currently support DDR3 RAM

Go for 8600GT 256MBDDR3 version it would be good, and is better in work than 512MB DDR2 models.
Otherwise u got option of HD3850 512MB DDR3 in 5.5K and 9600GT also in same price.
But I will recommend HD3850 in the two which has 256-bit line.

abbe tujhe toh 30k sab kuch loot lena hain. for the above mentioned things, you need to have a greater budget.

Intel C2D E8200 - 7.5k -->> http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAPP

ASUS P5Q Deluxe - 12.5k --> http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=2257&l1=3&l2=11&l3=709&l4=0

Transcend DDR2 667MHz 4GB RAM - 3k -->http://www.transcendusa.com/Products/MemList.asp?srhMemWay=STD&LangNo=0

Sapphire HD4850 -10.6k --> http://www.sapphiretech.com/us/products/products_overview.php?gpid=244

Western Digital Caviar 640GB -3.6k -->http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=394

CoolerMaster CM690 -3.5k -->http://www.coolermaster.com/products/product.php?act=detail&id=2908

CoolerMaster 600W PSU -3.1k -->http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?category_id=27&product_id=2739

This should do the trick. Better eXtend your budget :D.

@KPower, man that was awsome n full of humour reply heehe

@rahul dude you are thinking in good direction. I hope reading many of such other budget responses you can get your reply.

Still for your goodness giving u specs

MSI P35 Neo-F >> 5.5K(recommending because of its option of DDR3 RAM support) any other P35 based mobo is also good. :D Otherwise as KPower said for real 7.1HD audio get Asus P5Q-Deluxe mobo
2 sticks of 2GB RAM Transcend/Kingston >>3600(@1800 per stick) or get Corsair in 5K TWIN2X4096-6400C5
(2 X 2GB DDR2 800MhZ C5)
There is huge crunch in HDD price best VFM is WD 640GB in 3.5-3.6K so you need to decide HDD according to your budget.

Cabinet Coolermaster Elite 330 in 1.6-1.7K or CM690 in around 3.5K
CoolerMaster PSU 600W Extreme Power in 3.1K

Decide on price on GPU and proccy on your own, you are already intelligent I think as your demands are extreme, and would need to rethink and then ask for suggestions.

check specs n prices from this site http://www.theitwares.com/index.htm
Giving you above site bcoz its good with direct links to most product specs from their company sites

[Psychosocial]

@thelordrrulzzz
For you to decide things properly check this linkhttp://www.lynx-india.com/index.php?categoryID=934&show_all=yes

I do not know the genuinity of availability @lynx though lynx is good online point, but according to the quoted prices you can check local market or order from lynx.

About 8600GT there is not DDR3 version of 512 models all got 512MB DDR2,
but if u check the link I gave you will find HD3650 512MB DDR2 model of XpertVision and HD3850 and 9600GT of interest.

8600GT 256 MB DDR3 would be in 3.5K from MSI

any of the gfx card would be compatible, the compatibility is not in terms of DDR2/DDR3 but whether they are PCI Express 2.0 or like that. All of those cards are compatible

MSI P35 Neo-F supports DDR3 RAM( normal RAM not graphic RAM), not many mobos currently support DDR3 RAM

Go for 8600GT 256MBDDR3 version it would be good, and is better in work than 512MB DDR2 models.
Otherwise u got option of HD3850 512MB DDR3 in 5.5K and 9600GT also in same price.
But I will recommend HD3850 in the two which has 256-bit line.



@KPower, man that was awsome n full of humour reply heehe

@rahul dude you are thinking in good direction. I hope reading many of such other budget responses you can get your reply.

Still for your goodness giving u specs

MSI P35 Neo-F >> 5.5K(recommending because of its option of DDR3 RAM support) any other P35 based mobo is also good. :D Otherwise as KPower said for real 7.1HD audio get Asus P5Q-Deluxe mobo
2 sticks of 2GB RAM Transcend/Kingston >>3600(@1800 per stick) or get Corsair in 5K TWIN2X4096-6400C5
(2 X 2GB DDR2 800MhZ C5)
There is huge crunch in HDD price best VFM is WD 640GB in 3.5-3.6K so you need to decide HDD according to your budget.

Cabinet Coolermaster Elite 330 in 1.6-1.7K or CM690 in around 3.5K
CoolerMaster PSU 600W Extreme Power in 3.1K

Decide on price on GPU and proccy on your own, you are already intelligent I think as your demands are extreme, and would need to rethink and then ask for suggestions.

check specs n prices from this site http://www.theitwares.com/index.htm
Giving you above site bcoz its good with direct links to most product specs from their company sites

I just suggested the components which were fit for his recommandations. He needs a good IGP and a HD4850 :shock:. Why the hell does he need both ? He needs crossfire support and 7.1 Chanel audio + 4GB RAM and 500GB+ HDD in 30k. Now tell me if I was wrong or not OR if what I suggested was wrong.

[SenthilAnandh]

Theres no guarantee that AMD will not update their Socket in 2 years or so.As they upgrade their products so they will need to upgrade their sockets sometime later-could be 2yrs/5yrs or even less.So getting AMD will not give you any assurance of compatibllity.:mad:

And as for performance the difference in Intel and AMD are as much as hell and earth.Even dual core Intel can beat quad core AMD hands down.So its a smart idea to get the best now which will make you futureproof for atleast
2-3 yrs(yes,even P4 cpus are good for gaming as long as you have a descent graphic card:)) )

So get the best now and don't think of the future.The next Intel product(Larabee) is breathing down on the neck of Nehalem.So get it(wolfdale/yorkfield) while its hot.:D


Can somebody post me the link showing the benchmark of an amd build (phenom x4 with 790Fx) and a intel build (C2Q with p45)

[Ultra_Bloodshed]

The 1st post is kinda old now, isn't it?? Any updates coming sooner or is it the de'facto....

[acewin]

@KPower, you are right, I too do not get why he wants onboard 7.1HD audio, most of the mobos are having 8 channel audio, not very good yet they have it.

He want everything good not to compromise on any front and all in 30-35K, way to go man.

[ITTechPerson]

This thread was created by choto chetah, I would like to request choto - to please give us something same on laptop also, as there are new guys who would like to have a laptop & confused about config.
Myself at present loking for a laptop under 30k & looking for a AMD model - can any one suggest !!

choto pls think on my request.

[prvprv]

give me some info abt wireless keyboard and mouse and price please

[Psychosocial]

give me some info abt wireless keyboard and mouse and price please

I am currently using the Logitech Ex90 Cordless Desktop and its very good. It works on a 2.4GHz Wireless Frequency. It uses two AA batteries to power up. I use 2100 mAh Uniross Rechargeable batteries. The set costed me about 1.2k before 8-9 months :).

[prvprv]

I am currently using the Logitech Ex90 Cordless Desktop and its very good. It works on a 2.4GHz Wireless Frequency. It uses two AA batteries to power up. I use 2100 mAh Uniross Rechargeable batteries. The set costed me about 1.2k before 8-9 months :).

Thanks KPower Mania :)

When i checked in npithub.com , its 1250/-
http://www.npithub.com/product/detail.php?pcatid=22&prod_id=69433

how come? is it getting costlier or what?? :eek:

how long wil the batteries last?

[Psychosocial]

^^Depends on what batteries you use and their power. I use 2100 mAh batteries and they last 4 days easily (My PC is on 24x7). The set dosent come with batteries but my dealer gave me two 1200 mAh Duracells and they were eaten up in 1 and half day :shock:. So I suggest that you spend some money on a good set of batteries too :).

About, pricing refer this --> http://www.theitwares.com/keyboards/keyboards.htm

Its still 1.2k :D.

^^Dont forget to get rechargeable batteries no matter which cordless set you buy (its a different story if the set isnt powered by batteries, but i dunno such product).

[parasharenator]

Hey guys n gals,
iam new to these forums.
Iam planning to buy a new desktop pC for myself,in dis week.
My budget is 70K.which would be a gaming rig_multimedia powerhouse
Following are my considerations:
MOST IMPORTANT CRITERION:
1.Ive a small dorm,,dunno whether to go for 2.1 or 5.1 speaker setup
But wotever I go for,,crisp quality is of utmost importance
(A)With 2.1-wud prefer Altec lansing MX5021 or Logi Z2300 or Klipsch ProMedia
(B)with 5.1-wud prefer Z5500 or klipsch 5.1(if its available in India)+xtreme gamer sound card(sound card wid 5.1 setup only)

2.monitor-Dell US 2009W (15K).period
3.RAM=4GB
4.HDD=250GB WD CAviar
5.Please suggest graphics card(wid bst bang for buck-HD4850 alike),CPU(is quadcore worthy enuf of gaming,or in future)+MObo(dont need much features)_I want best bang for buck from these,,not ultra high performance!
6.mouse-GX518 from logi is fine,as I own Xbox360.

please give the price of each component,brand,etc. including cabinet,supply etc.
but near 70k in total.

[thelordrrulzzz]

thank you KPower Mania and acewin for ur replies. After a lot of analysis and expert advice i have reached to this final configuration. The final configuration is as follows-

Most likely configuration –
1] Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 processor
2] MSI P35 Neo Combo-F chipset (supports DDR3)
3] MSI NX8600GT-T2D256E/D3 (256Mb DDR3) graphics soln
4] Transcend 2Gb 800Mhz DDR2 RAM(1Gbx2)
5] Western Digital 500Gb or 640Gb Sata HDD (WD5000AAKS) (depending on the price margin between the two)
6] Cooler Master eXtreme Power or Power Plus 500W PSU
7] Zebronics Krish or Bijli cabinet.
8] Lastly if budget permits then i will be buying a Creative EP-630 ear phones for my Transcend T Sonic 610:D

Just a last thought in case of PSU which is better the 550/600W Cooler Master extreme series or a similar PSU by Corsair???

This is coz one of my friend has corsair PSU and he braggs that many of the hardcore gamers on his LAN use this PSU.....But my loyalty is towards Cooler Master extreme series but some final advice on this matter would be great..

Finally all these products will fit my budget. I don't mind even if the budget shoots up a bit coz this config will serve me well for the coming 1 to 1.5 years with minor upgrades. This is wat matters the most to me.
Thanks.
Regards.

[Psychosocial]

@parasharenator
hmm.....let me suggest you something.


Intel Core 2 Duo E8500
ASUS P5Q Pro
4Gb DDR2 800MHz RAM Transcend
Western Digital Caviar 640GB (Best VFA a.ka. Bang for buck)
Sapphire HD4870
CM eXtreme Power 850W
Cooler Master CM690
Sony / LiteOn/ Samsung optical Drive. Avoid Plextor as it aint VFM.
MX518 + Microsoft Natural Erogonomic 4000 keyboard.
Altec Lansing MX5021 + Creative X-Fi Elite Gamer



For prices, check out www.lynx-india.com and www.theitwares.com

Happy gaming.

thank you KPower Mania and acewin for ur replies. After a lot of analysis and expert advice i have reached to this final configuration. The final configuration is as follows-

Most likely configuration –
1] Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 processor
2] MSI P35 Neo Combo-F chipset (supports DDR3)
3] MSI NX8600GT-T2D256E/D3 (256Mb DDR3) graphics soln
4] Transcend 2Gb 800Mhz DDR2 RAM(1Gbx2)
5] Western Digital 500Gb or 640Gb Sata HDD (WD5000AAKS) (depending on the price margin between the two)
6] Cooler Master eXtreme Power or Power Plus 500W PSU
7] Zebronics Krish or Bijli cabinet.
8] Lastly if budget permits then i will be buying a Creative EP-630 ear phones for my Transcend T Sonic 610:D

Just a last thought in case of PSU which is better the 550/600W Cooler Master extreme series or a similar PSU by Corsair???

This is coz one of my friend has corsair PSU and he braggs that many of the hardcore gamers on his LAN use this PSU.....But my loyalty is towards Cooler Master extreme series but some final advice on this matter would be great..

Finally all these products will fit my budget. I don't mind even if the budget shoots up a bit coz this config will serve me well for the coming 1 to 1.5 years with minor upgrades. This is wat matters the most to me.
Thanks.
Regards.

Superb config man! And Corsair PSUs need Sine Wave UPS which will cost a lot to say the least and as you arent building an enthusiast gaming rig, CM will be awesome :D.

Go for it.