Basic Guide Purchase a New System

[juggler]

Hi Choto, nice to see you back on this forum

[Night-Rider]

Depends on your need sir :) if bit of gaming and HD movies then I would vote for GA-MA78GM-S2H which retails at around Rs. 4400/- + VAT so that leaves you with Rs. 2000 for the processor and add few hundred and get AMD Athlon X2 4200+ which is around Rs. 2350 + VAT :)

now if you are in need for heavy processing rather than HD and games, then get your self ASUS M2N-MX SE which is Rs. 2300/- + VAT, and a better processor like AMD Athlon X2 5000 or if you can afford then 5200+ aswell :)

so what is your requirement ??

@Night-Rider

Stick with 9600 GT where as I would suggest to spend bit extra (some 1.5k) for E8200 :) over E7200 :)

thanks
Thanks for ur reply. But i wanted to cut down on the cost of the PC. So i know now that 8800GT can fit in my budget. My budget is strictly 25k. I can't afford more 1.5k for buying better proccy. As u saw my config can u suggest some price cut here and there?
CPU - Core2Duo E7200 Rs.5900/-
MOBO - ABIT IP35-E Rs.5350/-
GPU - EVGA 9600GT SC Rs.9200/-
PSU - CM Extreme Power 500W Rs.2650/-
RAM - 2GB 800MHz Rs.1950/-
Total = Rs.25,050/-

And will 500W Cooler Master Extreme will be enough if i add another hard disk later on?

[W i d e S c r e e N]

I have this config purchased in Mid 2005.

AMD 64 X2 4200+
MSI K8N DIAMOND
512MB x2
Sony/LiteON DVD Burner
7800GT

Since last six months I've had this problem of click noise coming from the HDD. Ive replaced the HDDs from 160 to 400 from 400 to 750 now.

I think the Motherboard is a problem here?
Or a BIOS update will solve the problem?

[Choto Cheeta]

And will 500W Cooler Master Extreme will be enough if i add another hard disk later on?

Yes should be :)

I can't afford more 1.5k for buying better proccy. As u saw my config can u suggest some price cut here and there?

To be honest, wait 15 days more and go for AMD spider platform with 48xx card :).. In a close budget AMD would certainly out perform intel in over all performance for sure !!!

r u really a brand name fan ?? or would be fine with performance ?? as AMD system under 25k would certainly be a over all better performer with 4870 or such than Intel with 9600 type card in case of gaming :D

I think the Motherboard is a problem here?
Or a BIOS update will solve the problem?

do a BIOS update :) no harm in it when done in proper maner :) see if it helps :)

hey thanks chotocheetah, how about Gigabyte board with Intel E2180 Processor

http://techshop.in/store/product_inf...oducts_id=1850

Is this board good in the areas of performance and warranty ?

try to stick with AMD config, E2180 would need to have considerable OC to counter 4200 or such, where as ATi HD 3200 certainly right now best in business :) where as the board u said is a 610i chipset one of the worst to go for :(

http://www.nvidia.com/object/mcp_intel_techspecs.html

7000 / 7050 / 7100 comes with NO DVI / NO HDMI / HDCP or Hardware HD H.264 decoding :(

[Night-Rider]

Yes should be :)
To be honest, wait 15 days more and go for AMD spider platform with 48xx card :).. In a close budget AMD would certainly out perform intel in over all performance for
sure !!!

r u really a brand name fan ?? or would be fine with performance ?? as AMD system under 25k would certainly be a over all better performer with 4870 or such than Intel with 9600 type card in case of gaming :D

By the way i am going to buy that hardware after a week or so. I can wait till 15 days if u say so. I am not a fanboy of intel or nvidia i just want a nice gaming pc. ;) One more question is that,

I bought this pc 3 years ago. This is a branded pc. The brand is Esys. I think it came with a 400W PSU. But i am not sure. Will i have any problems in installing a new psu in this present cabinet??

[Choto Cheeta]

I think it came with a 400W PSU. But i am not sure. Will i have any problems in installing a new psu in this present cabinet??

cabinet may b reusable but with performance card and power hungry performance processor go for a new PSU at-least :)

[bassam904]

which wud be better
GA-MA78GM-S2H+amd proccey+nvdia 8600
or
ASUS M2N MX SE+amd proccey+nvdia 8600

[gxsaurav]

Off topic : Good to see u again Choto.

[Choto Cheeta]

which wud be better
GA-MA78GM-S2H+amd proccey+nvdia 8600
or
ASUS M2N MX SE+amd proccey+nvdia 8600

In case of the top one, the extra 2.2k which you would spend for HD 3200 would lie unuse as with nvidia card hence I would vote for M2N-ME SE and that extra 2.2k in a higher model prcessor :)

[Night-Rider]

Thanks Choto. :) You're really helpful. When do u think the new cards from ATI and new proccies from AMD will be here?

[MetalheadGautham]

hey choto, any idea how much the 9150e x4 phenom(I think its 8750. correct me if I am wrong) and the 2.5GHz x3 phenom cost ? I heard the x3 2.5GHz phenom comes at the same cost as the E7200 dual-core penryn. Is it true ?

I think 780G has finally met its match. Till recently, Phenoms sucked.

[anubisX]

Hello Choto, I've planned to buy the ABiT IP35 MoBo and the Intel C2Q 6600. Do you think it's gonna be ok ? Should I go for the ABiT IP35 Pro, I don't need the SLi. Is there any difference in performance between the two ? Should I get the C2D E8400 3.0 or the C2Q 6600 2.4 ? Which one should be better ? Please enlighten me :D

[MetalheadGautham]

Hello Choto, I've planned to buy the ABiT IP35 MoBo and the Intel C2Q 6600. Do you think it's gonna be ok ? Should I go for the ABiT IP35 Pro, I don't need the SLi. Is there any difference in performance between the two ? Should I get the C2D E8400 3.0 or the C2Q 6600 2.4 ? Which one should be better ? Please enlighten me :D
ONE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION: you want to overclock or not ?

[anubisX]

No, I don't want to overclock........

[W i d e S c r e e N]

I have this config purchased in Mid 2005.

AMD 64 X2 4200+
MSI K8N DIAMOND
512MB x2
Sony/LiteON DVD Burner
7800GT

Since last six months I've had this problem of click noise coming from the HDD. Ive replaced the HDDs from 160 to 400 from 400 to 750 now.

I think the Motherboard is a problem here?
Or a BIOS update will solve the problem?

is the life cycle of this motherboard over? Should I wait or get a new config? Please advice :?

[anubisX]

Ok, I've planned to get the Intel E8400 or E8500 as they're faster than Q6600 coz most of the games don't need Quad Core and it's slower too. But I'm confused about the motherboard now which one to get. My options are ABiT IP35 / MSI P35 PLATINUM COM / MSI P7NSLI PLATINUM / Asus P5N-E

[mayanksharma]

For SLI performance, choose Asus P5N-E32-SLI else, Abit Ip35! :)
Btw, MSI Platinum Combo should be a smashing deal if u can get it at good price. The board has DDR3 support and is an excellent performer.

[kehnahaitumse]

I need to hv computer within 25k.
any suggestion for both Intel and Amd with the prices.

[Night-Rider]

^^ see the first post of this thread.

@All
I am upgrading my pc so i want to sell off my present parts. CAn any one tell me how much should i expect?
3.0ghz p4
512MB DDR RAM
Asrock Intel 915GL motherboard
PSU 400W

[uttamku@hcl.in]

Folks,

I am looking for a medium end gaming PC for a decent budget, it shud not be heavy on my pockets. Also it would be wonderful if the mobo is future compatible. Can anyone suggest me components for it with prices. BTW i m located in garden city, Bangalore.

[W i d e S c r e e N]

Future compatible is big scam.

They have ddr2 + ddr3 mobo's but you can only use either one at a time ofcourse and a upgrade of 1333 mhx from 1066, isnt an upgrade.

[gary4gar]

My needs a PC,he does not know much about market.
so he has asked to buy a PC on his behalf. he thinks i am Computer nerd. lol
but frankly i am none. so I request you all Hardware Gurus to help me get a PC for him.

First thing first : Budget 30K

Needs
Multimedia mainly plus office work
A large LCD screen
Good looks from exterior, he wants a Sexy Machine:P (wonder why people bother so much about looks)

Please suggest

[uttamku@hcl.in]

@WideScreeN
What I mean by "Future Compatible" is that the mobo should be capable of housing future products which are in pipeline now....like what happened in past with PCI & PCIE slots...I hope u got my point...

Now any gentlemen around who are really interested in suggesting me....?

[MetalheadGautham]

No, I don't want to overclock........
one and only one answer:

get C2Q Q6600 and ABit IP35-E

[astrosahil]

i live in pune. can anybody tell me where can i get a good motherboard in the range of Rs. 4000-8000. Which one? I have no specific requirements but the board should last me for 4-5 years and should be compatible with my e8200 intel processor.

[ferrarisagar]

i'm upgrading my system with these new configuration..plz tell me is it a gud one ??
AMD athlon 4000+ 2.11ghz
asus motherboard m2mnxse
2gb ram
lg dvd writer
is the configuration gud ??
plz suggest me..

[nemo]

what ... u don't wanna play any games ...:D

[Night-Rider]

CAn any one tell me how much should i expect?
3.0ghz p4
512MB DDR RAM
Asrock Intel 915GL motherboard
PSU 400W

[toofan_nainital]

No look for a core2duo configuration.
You must at least have a E4600 processor.

[MetalheadGautham]

CAn any one tell me how much should i expect?
3.0ghz p4
512MB DDR RAM
Asrock Intel 915GL motherboard
PSU 400W
for sale or for buying ?

if its for sale, expect very less for the motherboard. I have it and I must say 915GL sucks since it lacks a PCIe 16x slot. Heck, it doesn't even have a PCIe 8x slot atleast. Instead, its advertised as PCIe enabled but it shipps with a PCIe 1x slot that can hardly be used. And it has no AGP slot. This means NO EXTERNAL GRAPHICS AND YOU ARE DOOMED TO LIVE WITH GMA900.

I suppose the RAM would go for a moderate price of around Rs. 500-700.

PSU may go for ~Rs.300

P4 - not sure. 1.4k is your best bet.

[mastermunj]

i'm upgrading my system with these new configuration..plz tell me is it a gud one ??
AMD athlon 4000+ 2.11ghz
asus motherboard m2mnxse
2gb ram
lg dvd writer
is the configuration gud ??
plz suggest me..

Please tell us your budget and usage of PC so that we can give u best possible configuration ..

[Night-Rider]

^^ Buddy i used an AGP FX5200 card with it and it supports PCIe cards upto 8600GT. Above that and it can't provide enough bandwidth. My motherboard has an AGP 8x slot and a PCIe 4X slot. I want to sell off these parts b'coz m upgrading.
As u say
P4 1.4k
PSU 300
RAM 500
And now mobo??

[Psychosocial]

^^

get a Abit- IP35e
E8200
2GB DDR2 667MHz RAM
8800GT 512
320GB HDD
and u r all set to go!!!!!

[gary4gar]

My needs a PC,he does not know much about market.
so he has asked to buy a PC on his behalf. he thinks i am Computer nerd. lol
but frankly i am none. so I request you all Hardware Gurus to help me get a PC for him.

First thing first : Budget 30K

Needs
Multimedia mainly plus office work
A large LCD screen
Good looks from exterior, he wants a Sexy Machine:P (wonder why people bother so much about looks)

Please suggest
anyone?
please suggest

[Pathik]

E7200, dg31pr, 2gb ddr2 ram, dell 19", cm elite 330, 500w cheapo psu, vs2141, samsung sh203, optical mouse kbd combo. All this can be done in 25k or less. Save the other 5k.

Yea and get a 250gb hdd too. Forgot that

[Choto Cheeta]

hey choto, any idea how much the 9150e x4 phenom (I think its 8750. correct me if I am wrong) and the 2.5GHz x3 phenom cost ? I heard the x3 2.5GHz phenom comes at the same cost as the E7200 dual-core penryn. Is it true ?

The lowest X4 in Kolkata I could digg up is Phenom X4 9550 at Rs. 8000 where as The Phenom X3 model 8450 is retailing at Rs. 5500/- + VAT

So those who are buying X2 5200 or such, start thinking about X3 8450 @ Rs. 5.8 - 6k :D

I think 780G has finally met its match. Till recently, Phenoms sucked.

X2 + 780 didnt seemed that good but now with 2 MB L3 and 1.5 L2 X3 8450 with a 780G looks a real killer config compare to a lower range C2D like E4500 with a Intel Graphics board :lol:

Certainly X3 is upto the mark as lower range penryn !!!

Few systems here at my place are in need for upgrade hence considering 780g + iether X3 or X4

For some reason many dealer here at Kolkata is asking to come back on or after 8th July as they are expecting some price cut from AMD and availibility of lower range low cost Phenom X4 9150e !!!!

Hello Choto, I've planned to buy the ABiT IP35 MoBo and the Intel C2Q 6600. Do you think it's gonna be ok ? Should I go for the ABiT IP35 Pro, I don't need the SLi. Is there any difference in performance between the two ? Should I get the C2D E8400 3.0 or the C2Q 6600 2.4 ? Which one should be better ? Please enlighten me

As this point, do not go for any 65nm processor :)

Read this,

http://www.chotocheeta.com/2008/06/18/difference-between-45nm-core-2-duo-quad-and-65nm-core-2-duo-quad/

Folks,

I am looking for a medium end gaming PC for a decent budget, it shud not be heavy on my pockets. Also it would be wonderful if the mobo is future compatible. Can anyone suggest me components for it with prices. BTW i m located in garden city, Bangalore.

Sir please read the 1st page of this post :D

@gary4gar

AMD Phenom X3 8450 @ Rs. 5500 /- + VAT
GigaByte GA-MA78GM-S2H @ Rs. 4500 /- + VAT
Crosier (1x2) 2 GB DDR-II 667 MHz @ Rs. 2000 /- + VAT
320 GB SATA-II 16MB / 32 MB Buffer @ Rs. 2800 /- + VAT
DVD RW (IDE) @ Rs. 1100 /- + VAT
Good looking Cabinet with 450 watts default @ Rs. 2200 /- + VAT
19" Dell / LG (Look for DVI interface) @ Rs. 9200 /- + VAT
Logitech 700 / Microsoft Desktop Pro Combo Key+Mouse @ Rs. 650 /- + VAT
UPS Local Brand @ Rs. 1400 /- + VAT
Creative 2.1 SBS 300 / 320 / 310 @ Rs. 1000 /- + VAT

Total TAX Rs. 1214 /-
Total Rs. 31564 /-

Also these guys here claiming to have ATi 4850 at Rs. 9900/- + VAT :confused: how ever I am yet to see some one actually buying one so dont know the authenticity of the price !!!

[MetalheadGautham]

The lowest X4 in Kolkata I could digg up is Phenom X4 9550 at Rs. 8000 where as The Phenom X3 model 8450 is retailing at Rs. 5500/- + VAT

So those who are buying X2 5200 or such, start thinking about X3 8450 @ Rs. 5.8 - 6k :D



X2 + 780 didnt seemed that good but now with 2 MB L3 and 1.5 L2 X3 8450 with a 780G looks a real killer config compare to a lower range C2D like E4500 with a Intel Graphics board :lol:

Certainly X3 is upto the mark as lower range penryn !!!

Few systems here at my place are in need for upgrade hence considering 780g + iether X3 or X4

For some reason many dealer here at Kolkata is asking to come back on or after 8th July as they are expecting some price cut from AMD and availibility of lower range low cost Phenom X4 9150e !!!!



As this point, do not go for any 65nm processor :)

Read this,

http://www.chotocheeta.com/2008/06/18/difference-between-45nm-core-2-duo-quad-and-65nm-core-2-duo-quad/



Sir please read the 1st page of this post :D

@gary4gar

AMD Phenom X3 8450 @ Rs. 5500 /- + VAT
GigaByte GA-MA78GM-S2H @ Rs. 4500 /- + VAT
Crosier (1x2) 2 GB DDR-II 667 MHz @ Rs. 2000 /- + VAT
320 GB SATA-II 16MB / 32 MB Buffer @ Rs. 2800 /- + VAT
DVD RW (IDE) @ Rs. 1100 /- + VAT
Good looking Cabinet with 450 watts default @ Rs. 2200 /- + VAT
19" Dell / LG (Look for DVI interface) @ Rs. 9200 /- + VAT
Logitech 700 / Microsoft Desktop Pro Combo Key+Mouse @ Rs. 650 /- + VAT
UPS Local Brand @ Rs. 1400 /- + VAT
Creative 2.1 SBS 300 / 320 / 310 @ Rs. 1000 /- + VAT

Total TAX Rs. 1214 /-
Total Rs. 31564 /-

Also these guys here claiming to have ATi 4850 at Rs. 9900/- + VAT :confused: how ever I am yet to see some one actually buying one so dont know the authenticity of the price !!!
kyon yaar... I was just about to finish my blog entry about the RETURN of the PHENOM and you raced me :(
Congratulations :D

I posted the exact same config, but with 800MHz ram instead of 667Mhz.

I think Phenom is awssome for multitasking, unlike Core2Duos which have better gaming use but not multitiasking.

[Choto Cheeta]

I posted the exact same config, but with 800MHz ram instead of 667Mhz.

Allow me to delete my post :) and you may edit your one with the config which you have in mind :)

kyon yaar... I was just about to finish my blog entry about the RETURN of the PHENOM and you raced me

:|

Just was trying to answer your questions regarding the X3 :)

[gary4gar]

@Choto Cheeta
Super Thanks, You are a Guru In hardware matters.

Very nice, can you give a Intel based setup, AMD is not very popular here.
i may not be be able to get one here in Jaipur, wish i was in Mumbai or something:(

and if it possible to accommodate 22" inch widescreen.lol, now i am asking too much:D

Thanks a million man, Please don't delete your post
very helpuful

[MetalheadGautham]

Allow me to delete my post :) and you may edit your one with the config which you have in mind :)



:|

Just was trying to answer your questions regarding the X3 :)
DON'T DO THAT

I was just kidding. :D

I have a long way to go before I edit my stuff and make it better looking and as professional as expected from others.

Anyway, do you think we can grab phenom 9150 In India ? :(

[W i d e S c r e e N]

I got the problem solved of clickin noise. It gave birth to a new problem, there's a freeze on running processes, maybe an internal problem or whatever..

I've been using this config since mid 2005, the system runs 15hrs/day. It has handled demanding tasks. Still is. But i think due to the issue my future files maybe in danger.

Should i hold on or sell it?

[MetalheadGautham]

A quick and straightforward little question:

I heard old samsung 80GB HDDs had lots of issues. Is it true ? Can someone tell me if my 2005 Samsung 80GB SATA HDD has those ultra low life expectancy problems ? When should I start backing up ?

[anubisX]

Thnx Choto for the suggestion. I have another question, I've a LG 19" TFT (with no DVI) and I want to upgrade it to 22". Which model should I go for ? Dell is not available in Kolkata. LG or Samsung will be fine, budget is +/-15K. Please suggest me. Is it worth upgrading ? Which GPU should I go for ? Tirupati told me about ATi Radeon 3650 512MB which is like 7K. Is it good ? Or should I go for nVidia ?

[Choto Cheeta]

@Gary,

Bro, 19" TFTs are sweet spot in terms of Value for money, where as good 22" would be out of your budget :(

Very nice, can you give a Intel based setup, AMD is not very popular here.
i may not be be able to get one here in Jaipur, wish i was in Mumbai or something

True that finding GA-MA78GM-S2H along with X3 may be a hard task in your place, but I am certain you will get X2 4800+ widelly available...

If you have to wait 15 days for the X3 + that mobo, its worth the wait but if the price of the processor is asked to high, then switch to AMD Athlon X2 4800+ :) to save few penny and getting a Creative 5.1 T6060 if you are more in entertainment !!!

See in case of intel with this budget and TFT requirement, one would get a DG33BR along with E4500 C2D which really no where compare to performance of X3 + 780G motherboard !!!

I heard old samsung 80GB HDDs had lots of issues. Is it true ? Can someone tell me if my 2005 Samsung 80GB SATA HDD has those ultra low life expectancy problems ? When should I start backing up ?

Huh ??

brother, whether u shold back up or not, doesnt depend on your hardware, rather its the data which isthe key factor in the decision whether to back up and when to back up...

No matter if you have a HDD given by the CEO or WD personally to you, still there are plenty of other factor which may cause the HDD to malfunction, both hardware / software...

So if you have some valuable data, back up from the day u put that in your HDD...

Now as far performance concern, we have few 80 GB purchased round about that time, and cant remember any (even no brand) giving problem...

Infact till now at-least rarely I find hardware issue with my drives, no matter which ever brand they are from...

[gxsaurav]

A word of caution, Phenom X3 has 3 cores due to which some applications 7 even Windows has problems recognizing it sometimes 7 using it properly, for example Photoshop will only use 2 core & not the 3rd one when using Phenom X3. We are using a new PhenomX3 workstation here & this is a case I saw here. Either use 2 core or 4 core to be on the safer side.

[MetalheadGautham]

Huh ??

brother, whether u shold back up or not, doesnt depend on your hardware, rather its the data which isthe key factor in the decision whether to back up and when to back up...

No matter if you have a HDD given by the CEO or WD personally to you, still there are plenty of other factor which may cause the HDD to malfunction, both hardware / software...

So if you have some valuable data, back up from the day u put that in your HDD...

Now as far performance concern, we have few 80 GB purchased round about that time, and cant remember any (even no brand) giving problem...

Infact till now at-least rarely I find hardware issue with my drives, no matter which ever brand they are from...
thanks a million. I can live peacefully now. :)
A word of caution, Phenom X3 has 3 cores due to which some applications 7 even Windows has problems recognizing it sometimes 7 using it properly, for example Photoshop will only use 2 core & not the 3rd one when using Phenom X3. We are using a new PhenomX3 workstation here & this is a case I saw here. Either use 2 core or 4 core to be on the safer side.
but 3 cores is basically to help in multitasking better. so I doubt these errors would be of significance when you run 10 apps at a time.:?

[ferrarisagar]

my budget is till 8000..
is amd 4800+ x2 gud ??
and asus motherboard m2mnxse(quadcore support) ??
how is the performance of ausus motherboard ??

[Pathik]

Gigabyte 780G + athlon x2 4800+

[Choto Cheeta]

There is a dedicated thread though :) http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71700

[Night-Rider]

I was going to upgrade my pc from
p4 3.0
512 mb ddr
intel 915g motherboard (AGP)
80gb hd
Onboard IGP

TO

CPU - Core2Duo E7200 Rs.5900/-
MOBO - ABIT IP35-E Rs.5350/-
GPU - EVGA 9600GT SC Rs.9200/-
PSU - CM Extreme Power 500W Rs.2650/-
RAM - 2GB 800MHz Rs.1950/-
Total= Rs.25,050/-

But as u ppl are saying prices are going to fall. But can u tell me when can i expect?
If prices don't fall much and i have to stick with the current config. Can u suggest me the substitutes to the CPU and MOTHERBOARD? As they are not available here. E7200 processor is very rarely found in a shop and many vendors here haven't even heard of ABIT motherboard.

[MetalheadGautham]

I was going to upgrade my pc from
p4 3.0
512 mb ddr
intel 915g motherboard (AGP)
80gb hd
Onboard IGP

TO

CPU - Core2Duo E7200 Rs.5900/-
MOBO - ABIT IP35-E Rs.5350/-
GPU - EVGA 9600GT SC Rs.9200/-
PSU - CM Extreme Power 500W Rs.2650/-
RAM - 2GB 800MHz Rs.1950/-
Total= Rs.25,050/-

But as u ppl are saying prices are going to fall. But can u tell me when can i expect?
If prices don't fall much and i have to stick with the current config. Can u suggest me the substitutes to the CPU and MOTHERBOARD? As they are not available here. E7200 processor is very rarely found in a shop and many vendors here haven't even heard of ABIT motherboard.
I seriously recommend you NOT to buy 9600GT. It is just not priced right. Get either 9600GSO for 6.3K, or an 8800GT for 10.5k.

Yes, prices are going to fall in a month because AMD is launching HD4870 and HD4850 GPUs. So 8800GT may go below 10k. Then again, the HD48x0 GPUs will affect only the 10k range, so lower ones would not be affected. This means 9600GT and 8800GT are the main affected. So I recommend you get a 9600GSO since I doubt it can be affected by this AMD launch and its also good enough to play any game today at moderate to high settings.

Prices of E7200 will fall when demand for it subsides and the supply demand ratio becomes more even, or more favourable towards supply (I am an economics n00b, but I guess I am right this time). This will take a LOOONG time I fear since everyone is running after E7200 for a budget overclocked gaming rig. Instead of 6k for E7200, its better to get E4600 for 4.2k which is common and performs almost as good. Its sadly the only option for now since its still flooding the markets.

Or, if you want to do stuff like 64 bit virtualisation and much better multi tasking along with faster memory performance at the cost of lesser per core power which is negligible unless you want to do nothing but game, get AMD Phenom X3 8450/8750 and Gigabit 780G. The advantage here is that you get uber cool onboard graphics which will hold on till 4850 becomes cheap, and that you get more motherboard features like eSATA, etc which are not there in ABit IP35-E. Also, it has hybrid crossfire graphics option, and if you buy HD3650, HD3550 or HD3450 gfx card, or some yet to be named card from HD4xxx series, you can use the onboard card and the external card together in crossfire and the external card will be on ONLY if its power is required. Meaning power saving.

[gary4gar]

okay things are taking shape finally.

based on suggestion from many people here and a local dealer , i have made a rough draft of a INTEL based PC.
not comfortable with AMD, so will be buying from Intel's stable.


Core 2 Duo E 8200
Intel DP35DP
Transcend 2X1GB 800MHz
NVIDIA 8600GT
Seagate 250GB Single Platter ST3250310AS
Samsung 203B/D 20x SATA 20x DVD ReWriter
Dell 19" SE198WFP OR LG



need suggestion on CPU/Mobo & graphics card.
rest parts are almost final:)

[forever]

hey fellas. i was hoping you all could suggest me what motherboard would appease my needs. im planning to buy

Core 2 duo model
HD4850 gfx card
Only 1 sata hdd (no intention to add another one in the future)
2 GB RAM (i dont think id ever go above the 4 GB mark)
1 duorb cooler for the VGA

i dont intend to overclock either the cpu or the gpu in the future and would run them only at default speeds. Please suggest me a brand/model to go with.
Thank you!

[Pathik]

If you arent in terested in OCing, then you should go for an AMD setup. Go for a Phenom X3 8450 + Gigabyte 780G. And later on get a 4850 when it releases.

[Choto Cheeta]

@gary4gar

NO AMD option available ?? anyawy, if thats the PC you have to go for then try for ABiT IP35-E over that Intel board :) but still i feel even if AMD means wait for few days, it would worth it.

If you arent in terested in OCing, then you should go for an AMD setup. Go for a Phenom X3 8450 + Gigabyte 780G. And later on get a 4850 when it releases.

Kolkata dealers are claiming to Sapphire HD 4850 @ Rs. 9900/- + VAT :confused: however I am unable t check the authenticity as I have not yet come across any one buying one :lol:

[prakum]

How about this?

Gigabyte GA-P35-S3G OR ABIT IP35-E
Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 (1066MHz FSB, 2.53GHz clock frequency and 3MB L2)
Corsair XMS2 2 x 1GB 800MHz
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 80GB
ViewSonic 17'' TFT Monitor
Lite-On DVD-RW
Cooler Master OR Zebronics cabinet
Logitech Multimedia PS2
Logitech Mouse

[gary4gar]

@gary4gar

NO AMD option available ?? anyawy, if thats the PC you have to go for then try for ABiT IP35-E over that Intel board :) but still i feel even if AMD means wait for few days, it would worth it.



Kolkata dealers are claiming to Sapphire HD 4850 @ Rs. 9900/- + VAT :confused: however I am unable t check the authenticity as I have not yet come across any one buying one :lol:
basically, not comfortable with AMD. need INTEL CPU only

here is Config changed in your suggestions:
Core 2 Duo E7200
ABit IP35-E
Transcend 2X1GB 800MHz
NVIDIA 8600GT
Seagate 250GB Single Platter ST3250310AS
Samsung 203B/D 20x SATA 20x DVD ReWriter
Dell 19" SE198WFP OR LG


If you arent in terested in OCing, then you should go for an AMD setup. Go for a Phenom X3 8450 + Gigabyte 780G. And later on get a 4850 when it releases.
I don't plan any OCING:D

[QUESTION]
Can i use my existing Speakers, they are huge ones they which came with my audio player. and also they sound good.

this i would save cost & space

[Choto Cheeta]

Can i use my existing Speakers, they are huge ones they which came with my audio player. and also they sound good.

this i would save cost & space

Yes but also NO...

See those huge speakers doesnt have their own audio signal amplifier, hence u cant directly plug them in ur PC audio out...

To use them u have to 1st take the PC audio input to a Audio amplifier, for exampl the Audio Player with which u have got these speaker would have an amplifier :) now that device would send amplified the signal to the BOX to play properly :)

[Pathik]

Choto, wats the price of the x3 8450 there?
I think AMD should make a strong comeback now due to low pricing, hybrid gfx and its new gpus.

[gary4gar]

Yes but also NO...

See those huge speakers doesnt have their own audio signal amplifier, hence u cant directly plug them in ur PC audio out...

To use them u have to 1st take the PC audio input to a Audio amplifier, for exampl the Audio Player with which u have got these speaker would have an amplifier :) now that device would send amplified the signal to the BOX to play properly :)
Can you show a diagram or something like that?

also, i hope this method is safe, i don't want to end up with a b0rked mobo:D

[MetalheadGautham]

If you arent in terested in OCing, then you should go for an AMD setup. Go for a Phenom X3 8450 + Gigabyte 780G. And later on get a 4850 when it releases.
+1
3200 will stay long enough.
Kolkata dealers are claiming to Sapphire HD 4850 @ Rs. 9900/- + VAT :confused: however I am unable t check the authenticity as I have not yet come across any one buying one :lol:
next thing I know, it will rain in underpants :lol:
Yes but also NO...

See those huge speakers doesnt have their own audio signal amplifier, hence u cant directly plug them in ur PC audio out...

To use them u have to 1st take the PC audio input to a Audio amplifier, for exampl the Audio Player with which u have got these speaker would have an amplifier :) now that device would send amplified the signal to the BOX to play properly :)
I heard you can buy an external amp...
Can you show a diagram or something like that?

also, i hope this method is safe, i don't want to end up with a b0rked mobo:D
it won't break the mobo unless you place the speakers over the mobo.:rolleyes:
Choto, wats the price of the x3 8450 there?
I think AMD should make a strong comeback now due to low pricing, hybrid gfx and its new gpus.
I am damn sure it will happen.

[forever]

If you arent in terested in OCing, then you should go for an AMD setup. Go for a Phenom X3 8450 + Gigabyte 780G. And later on get a 4850 when it releases.

Hi pathik. Ill be sticking with a core 2 duo. If you could suggest a decent mobo for my non oc purposes then id be grateful, thnx! :)

[Choto Cheeta]

@Pathik

AMD Phenom X3 8450 is Rs. 5500/- + TAX

@MetalheadGautham

The Card (ATi HD 4850) is in stock, that I have seen but the place isnot my usual deader, so doubt is they may ask to buy a completelly PC in which they would offer the card in Rs. 9900/- + VAT and would keep profit by increasing any other hardware price...

but its certain the HD 4850 is not going to be over 11.5k in the competetive market at any point :p

thats why wrote cant tell the exact price unless some one I know buy one :lol:

Can you show a diagram or something like that?

here is a rough work

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4135/46591122mg5.jpg

[Night-Rider]

I seriously recommend you NOT to buy 9600GT. It is just not priced right. Get either 9600GSO for 6.3K, or an 8800GT for 10.5k.

Yes, prices are going to fall in a month because AMD is launching HD4870 and HD4850 GPUs. So 8800GT may go below 10k. Then again, the HD48x0 GPUs will affect only the 10k range, so lower ones would not be affected. This means 9600GT and 8800GT are the main affected. So I recommend you get a 9600GSO since I doubt it can be affected by this AMD launch and its also good enough to play any game today at moderate to high settings.

Prices of E7200 will fall when demand for it subsides and the supply demand ratio becomes more even, or more favorable towards supply (I am an economics n00b, but I guess I am right this time). This will take a LOOONG time I fear since everyone is running after E7200 for a budget overclocked gaming rig. Instead of 6k for E7200, its better to get E4600 for 4.2k which is common and performs almost as good. Its sadly the only option for now since its still flooding the markets.

Or, if you want to do stuff like 64 bit visualization and much better multi tasking along with faster memory performance at the cost of lesser per core power which is negligible unless you want to do nothing but game, get AMD Phenom X3 8450/8750 and Gigabit 780G. The advantage here is that you get uber cool onboard graphics which will hold on till 4850 becomes cheap, and that you get more motherboard features like eSATA, etc which are not there in ABit IP35-E. Also, it has hybrid crossfire graphics option, and if you buy HD3650, HD3550 or HD3450 gfx card, or some yet to be named card from HD4xxx series, you can use the onboard card and the external card together in crossfire and the external card will be on ONLY if its power is required. Meaning power saving.
Thank you for ur views. As u r saying that it will take a long time before the prices fall and i can't wait that long because i have to upgrade my pc before the end of July because i have free time. After that my college will start and i will get stuck again.
The sole purpose i am upgrading my pc because i want to play games at high quality.
So as u r saying go with the AMD Phenom if i want to game. But it will go out of my budget.
I have a budget of 25k.
Just tell me the different parts with which i can upgrade in this pc. Please make sure that as i'll buy the parts from http://www.theitwares.com (http://www.lynx-india.com) , so suggest the parts accordingly, as the parts are not available in my city. So give me ur final decision. I will be really grateful to you. Thank You. :)

I just saw Palit HD4850 at 11,500 at itwares.com. So.. does that make a difference?

[anshulkumar]

HI!!
I am Planning to build a new PC but i m little bit confussesd with processor , motherboard, and ram. i m 3D designer and animator i want to build a system according to animation n fast rendeing so plz suggest me wat config i should bye..

[nish_higher]

^ u can check ajayashish's thread in this forum.but whats ur budget

[subodhpatil]

Hello,

I want to bu new PC on next friday 11/07/20008
Please help me


My main requirements are working with Visual studio 2008, Playing games, home entertainment, working with office 2007. The high performance is must. The budget is less than 70,000. It’s ok if it goes 10-15 thousand more.
I have decided the configuration as below. Please provide your view.


1
Processor.
(Any one of the following)
Intel® Core™2 Extreme Processor QX9775
Intel® Core™2 Extreme Processor QX9770
Intel® Core™2 Extreme Processor QX9650
Intel® Core™2 Extreme Processor QX6850
Intel® Core™2 Extreme Processor QX6800
Intel® Core™2 Extreme Processor QX6700
Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9550
Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9450
Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9300
Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q6700
Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q6600


2
Mother board
I would like to go with high end Asus mother board.
I prefer ASUS Striker Edition
But a good board in range of 15000+/- will do.

3
Even a DDR3 1333Mhz will do as it costs Rs.4000/GB.
But please suggest compatible one with my board.

4
Hard disk 500 GB Seagate

5
Graphics card:
Currently I want to by only single card with latest GEforce chipset and around 512+ MB memory.
Please suggest

6
Monitor.
22” Samsung LCD Monitor
(Don’t want to go with Dell as they have glossy panels )
Please suggest.

7
Power supply (Cooler Master or Tagan)
I think 600W or 800W is enough.
Please suggest

8
Cabinet. Don’t want to spend too much.
Still cooling is important.

9
Speakers. Required 5.1 Decent one.
Logitech is my preference. Cost should be less than Rs. 10,000/-

10
Keyboard Mouse: Any basic cordless from Logitech or Microsoft.

11
Printer/Scanner.
The printer will be used for 10-15 Continuous days. Will stay off for next 1 month.
I would prefer MFD without FAX and with less cost.

12
DVD Writer with Light Scribe


Please provide cost, brand and model name for each component.

[MetalheadGautham]

Thank you for ur views. As u r saying that it will take a long time before the prices fall and i can't wait that long because i have to upgrade my pc before the end of July because i have free time. After that my college will start and i will get stuck again.
The sole purpose i am upgrading my pc because i want to play games at high quality.
So as u r saying go with the AMD Phenom if i want to game. But it will go out of my budget.
I have a budget of 25k.
Just tell me the different parts with which i can upgrade in this pc. Please make sure that as i'll buy the parts from http://www.theitwares.com (http://www.lynx-india.com) , so suggest the parts accordingly, as the parts are not available in my city. So give me ur final decision. I will be really grateful to you. Thank You. :)

I just saw Palit HD4850 at 11,500 at itwares.com. So.. does that make a difference?
well, phenom is for uber multitasking and 64bit virtualisation, along with running 3core supporting games. But for exclusive gaming, I say ditch phenom and stick with E7200. Its good that you are buying from theitwares.com. It would only make things a hell lot easier for both me and you.

Get Palit HD4850, E7200 and And Abit IP35-E in that case.

[gary4gar]

Made a Trip to Computer Market.
Lots of surprises & disappointments

--> Dealers have no clue about the products they sell,example he made me a sample configuration; for them is CPU is C2D, no model number, no FSB or Cache details available. same for Mobo, they sell Mobotherboard Telling "Intel Original". WTH! is Intel Original.
i pushed him hard,so he called Intel's Distributer so i got to know CPU was E4600 & mobo was DG31PR or D945GCPE.even the disto was not sure, Damn you :no:
E7200,E8200 & E8400 are not available, after 4600 they have Quads. need to check in few more shops.

-->He is pushing me hard to buy Zion/Hynix Ram, can says Kingston is cr@p. when i asked about transcend is said Hynix is the best ram in the world lol

-->On Asking about AMD procy, surprisingly he had the whole Range right from 4200 to X3 & X4 ready stock;) . but he was bundling with with some Asus Mobo costing 2200/- bucks, no details on that were available:no:

--> When i asked About 7200 and if he can arrange it, he said its out of stock and does not know when it would be available

--> Graphics is of Sparkle 8600GT for 4.5k


what is the performance of this X3 & X4 comparing to Intel 7200?

[Night-Rider]

well, phenom is for uber multitasking and 64bit virtualisation, along with running 3core supporting games. But for exclusive gaming, I say ditch phenom and stick with E7200. Its good that you are buying from theitwares.com. It would only make things a hell lot easier for both me and you.

Get Palit HD4850, E7200 and And Abit IP35-E in that case.
How would it make things easier for you?:confused: But getting HD4850 is out of my budget. I have a budget of 25k only. It doesn't matter if its above 200 or so. Hope u understand. ;)

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

wow !! AMD X3 Phenom is only 5.5k ??
But itwares.com says its 8.3k odd

[janitha]

wow !! AMD X3 Phenom is only 5.5k ??
But itwares.com says its 8.3k odd

And at deltapage.com, it is quoted Rs.6675/- inclusive of tax! Are'nt we consumers being cheated?

[MetalheadGautham]

And at deltapage.com, it is quoted Rs.6675/- inclusive of tax! Are'nt we consumers being cheated?
TheITwares guy, Rahul, still sells most items at quite reasonable rates. I personally think his pricing is excellent, but there DO exist some tiny issues like this.

[Pathik]

Yea. Maybe he forgot to update it.

[MetalheadGautham]

Yea. Maybe he forgot to update it.
Talking about theitwares.com makes me remember this:

Doesn't he sell AMD Opteron Quad Core 2.66GHz at 9.6K since a loooong time ? How exactly IS it ? And can it be used in AM2+ socket mobos ?

[W i d e S c r e e N]

@Choto Cheeta,

Im curious to know what ur thoughts are about the life expectancy question i & MetalheadGautham posted.

advance congrats on your 6000+posts on the forums

[prakum]

does Abit IP35E has onboard video or not?

[Choto Cheeta]

does Abit IP35E has onboard video or not?

Sorry Sir, it comes with P35 chipset which doesnt have any onboard solution, one must think for at-least a 8400 GS which is Rs. 1800/- :)

Im curious to know what ur thoughts are about the life expectancy question i & MetalheadGautham posted.

I am sorry may be I have missed it !! can you please copy paste it again :), I would be really greatful..

advance congrats on your 6000+posts on the forums

hmm.. better slow down, shall i ??

anyway, doesnt post count has any meaning ? I mean I would really hate the fact as some one know me as an user who has 6k post... I would love to be known as an user who loves to share even with post count 10 or 12 :)

My main requirements are working with Visual studio 2008, Playing games, home entertainment, working with office 2007. The high performance is must. The budget is less than 70,000. It’s ok if it goes 10-15 thousand more.
I have decided the configuration as below. Please provide your view.

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 @ Rs. 13000 /- + VAT
MSI P45 Platinum @ Rs. 10200 /- + VAT
Ati HD 4850 @ 512MB @ Rs. 11000 /- + VAT
2x2 (4 GB) DDR-II 800 MHz (Corsire Value RAM) @ Rs. 5500 /- + VAT
320 GB SATA-II 32 MB Buffer @ Rs. 2800 /- + VAT
DVD RW (IDE - Any brand) @ Rs. 1100 /- + VAT
Cooler Master 620 Watts eXtreme Power @ Rs. 3200 /- + VAT
Microsoft / Logitech combo @ Rs. 650 /- + VAT
LG / View Sonic / Dell 22" WideScreen HD TFT @ Rs. 16000 /- + VAT
Creaive T6060 / Logitech 5.1 @ Rs. 4200 /- + VAT
APC 650 VA @ Rs. 2800 /- + VAT

TAX @ 4% 2818 /-
Total Rs. 73268 /-

Though you wish to go for DDR-III however I feel over all this system under your budget would be the best, however if you have to go for DDR3 then replace the Mobo with ASUS P5K-C and rams with DDR3, but DDR3 with their price are still not value for money where as P45 with HD 4850 would certainly give you really better exp :D

[prakum]

Sorry Sir, it comes with P35 chipset which doesnt have any onboard solution, one must think for at-least a 8400 GS which is Rs. 1800/-

sir, any other good mobo which has good onboard video? mobo shud be good easily available in market.

[Choto Cheeta]

sir, any other good mobo which has good onboard video? mobo shud be good easily available in market.

It issome what subjective question, can you please state your budget and need for the board, meaning what you would use it for ??

[prakum]

budget is not a prblem but lower the better
it will be used for normal office work. plus it may be used to run development softwares like visual studio, oracle etc.
it should be intel based, if you suggest amd alternative then no problem
it would be bonus if pc look attractive

my choice:

E7200
mobo not decided (Gigabyte GA-P35 -S3G if available and have onboard VGA )
2GB DDR2 667/800MHz
Barracuda 7200.10 80GB (enough)
Viewsonic 17" TFT
Lite-On DVR-RW IDE
Logitech mouse & KBD
cabinet not decided

[Choto Cheeta]

it will be used for normal office work. plus it may be used to run development softwares like visual studio, oracle etc.
it should be intel based, if you suggest amd alternative then no problem

ASUS P5K-VM available at Rs. 5.4k http://techshop.in/store/product_info.php?cPath=21_30&products_id=858 good price :) and great board

(Gigabyte GA-P35 -S3G if available and have onboard VGA )

P35 usually comes with no onboard video :) as the chipst by default doesnt support any video !!! hence no video either

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/FileList/Image/motherboard_productimageback_ga-p35-s3g_big.jpg

ASUS P5K-VM should be the best available option as the P5B-V boards are not there any more !!

[Sandeepfrompune]

To ChotoCheetah, I read ur link and it was gr8 piece of info. from where u got all that info that intel names them in certain way.. and all.. ( about page of- diff between 45nm and 65nm link on ur website ) BTW - now i have most doubts cleared and in position to decide what i want. still last 2 Qns - to anyone who can answer :)
1. as in performance C2Q (like 9450) is preferred and in gaming E8500 will be better - exactly what areas are here where Quad scores over C2D ? -
by performance means running say Web-Server sort of ? or heavy software ...(wanted to know which one is good at that ) right now no many games (then I guess noy many softwares are as well ) who take use of full 4 cores ...

2. for any of above 9450/E8500(E8400) - apart from Abit IP-35-Pro (or 45) what other mobo are good which support OCing also ? ( if possible give price range also..)

3. not a Qn, just wanted for info - please give link or url where I can ge info about Whats ddr2 ddr3 (all that jargon..)? and dd2 or ddr3 ram is decided by what etc. I guess GPU ram being ddr3 or ddr2 does not makes diff. is it ?

[Choto Cheeta]

To ChotoCheetah, I read ur link and it was gr8 piece of info.

thank you....

BTW - now i have most doubts cleared and in position to decide what i want. still last 2 Qns - to anyone who can answer

I shall try to share what i know :)

1. as in performance C2Q (like 9450) is preferred and in gaming E8500 will be better - exactly what areas are here where Quad scores over C2D ? - by performance means running say Web-Server sort of ? or heavy software ...

You question has its answer :)

(wanted to know which one is good at that ) right now no many games (then I guess noy many softwares are as well ) who take use of full 4 cores ...

Bingo... There are not may application right now which would be able to ustilize the all 4 cores !!!

Now why does as a gamer E8500 runs better ??

Because in case of stock, E8500 comes with higher clock speed compare to Q9450 (both this have exactly same retailing price) also E8500 is really good over clocker so it can do higher than 3.2 GHz even on stock, hence as most of present games relay more on clock speed hence E8500 performse better than Q9450 at same price range !!!

So its not that Quads are slow as if you can afford get your self an eXtreme edition QX9770 which will match the clock speed and Over clocking ability of E8500 hence would performe better than E8500 :D

But all that will change as yes all thought software development are not that fast as hardware is concern, but games are now days coming an next gen games would have support to use the power of 4 cores...

4 cores running at 2.6 GHz along with 12 MB L2 would certainly be better than 2 running at 3.0 GHzwith 6 MB L2 but only when you have an application which can use this...

Right now in our real world apps I can give you couple of example such as Windows Server Hyper-V would certainly run better in case of a Quad.... Few DivX / Xvid decoder / encoder would have better performance with SSE4.1 instruction set.... CAD applications would need 4 cores !!!

So though software is not in market right now but that doesnt mean they are not available of not going to be..

2. for any of above 9450/E8500(E8400) - apart from Abit IP-35-Pro (or 45) what other mobo are good which support OCing also ? ( if possible give price range also..)

Now days start thinking for PCIe 2.0 boards as unlike DDR3, PCIe 2.0 cards now have become mainstream hence at same price range you may find ASUS P5N-D but MSI P45 Platimum is also a great otion :)

[pranavsg07]

hey I want to purchase a new system. My budget is Rs. 50000. I am into gaming and animation. Please guide me.

Processor : AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400
Motherboard: ASUS M3A-H/HDMI or M3A32-MVP Deluxe
RAM : 2 GB DDR2 (800 Mhz)
Hard Disk : 500 GB Seagate SATA II
Monitor : Viewsonic 19"
Graphic Card: GeCube Radeon HD 4850
Speakers : Creative Inspire 5.1
Cabinet : Antec TX1088AMG
Keyboard/ Mouse : Logitech Standard

Tell me if the above configuration is right or do I need to make any changes.

[Night-Rider]

MetalheadGautham u didn't answer my question.
well, phenom is for uber multitasking and 64bit virtualisation, along with running 3core supporting games. But for exclusive gaming, I say ditch phenom and stick with E7200. Its good that you are buying from theitwares.com. It would only make things a hell lot easier for both me and you.

Get Palit HD4850, E7200 and And Abit IP35-E in that case.
How would it make things easier for you? But getting HD4850 is out of my budget. I have a budget of 25k only. It doesn't matter if its above 200 or so. Hope u understand. ;)

[MetalheadGautham]

sir, any other good mobo which has good onboard video? mobo shud be good easily available in market.
Simple. But you need to spend 6.2k for it. Get Biostar P35 board for 4.4K and 8400GS or HD3450 for 1.8K. Total 6.2K. Just Rs. 700 more than Abit IP35-E. And much better graphics than GMA X3500. :-)
MetalheadGautham u didn't answer my question.

How would it make things easier for you? But getting HD4850 is out of my budget. I have a budget of 25k only. It doesn't matter if its above 200 or so. Hope u understand. ;)
then get 9600GSO. Its the best choice now. :)

[Night-Rider]

How much is the performance difference between 9600Gt and GSO? I want high fps.

[Choto Cheeta]

Tell me if the above configuration is right or do I need to make any changes.

Replace the processor with any X4 or at-least X3 :)

Phenom X4 9550 is @ Rs. 8000/- + VAT
Phenom X3 8450 is @ Rs. 5500/- + VAT

:) thank you.

[Pathik]

How much is the performance difference between 9600Gt and GSO? I want high fps.
Then get the 8800GT 512MB. Or wait for the ATi 4850.

[Rudick]

Like we saw 9800Gt in SLi mode in the form 9800GTX2, is 8800GT available in the same mode? I will also be upgrading my system soon and since my screen can support max res of 1360x768 only can you suggest me a card(or 2 in SLi) that can play even future games like Alan Wake in above mentioned resolutions without any noticeable frame drop?
Can we expect drop in 790i's rate by this December? :confused:
I say December cause in December, hopefully I'll be upgrading my


Processor : E6300(Currently) Upgrade-???
Mobo: Asus P5LD2 VM SE(945G) Upgrade-???
RAM: Kingston 2x1GB DDR2 667 MHz(Current) Upgrade- 2x2GB DDR2 800MHz or 2x1GB DDR3
GPU: Asus EN7600GT(256MB DDR3) Upgrade-???
PSU: Frontech 350W (Current) Upgrade- Corsair HX620 or a 750W (gonna import one) ;)

HDD I've one 400GB one and other 160GB one, speakers I've T6060, got 'em for 4K back in Feb.2007

[niravjadwani]

Hi friends.

I want a solution to buying a new pc. I have a pentium 4 with all the frills necessary for a office pc.

Now, I need another pc for accounting purpose, as this pc is almost occupied with internet browsing. The problem is,

1. The place is relatively small, and I don't want to fill it with two pc cabinets.

2. I don't want to spend money on entirely new system, just for the accounting purpose.

So, here is my idea. I am trying to find a sloution that will enable me to put two keyboard, mouse and monitor, with processing from one pc, or Cabinet I would say.

Have any idea how this can be done?
Please help me out, as I don't want to waste money and space.

Thanx in advance.

[Choto Cheeta]

May be this thread can help http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71700

[MetalheadGautham]

I think you can try for a dual monitor + dual input setup. Linux supports that for free, so if you are capable of using it, I suggest you try installing it.

[MetalheadGautham]

hey I want to purchase a new system. My budget is Rs. 50000. I am into gaming and animation. Please guide me.

Processor : AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400
Motherboard: ASUS M3A-H/HDMI or M3A32-MVP Deluxe
RAM : 2 GB DDR2 (800 Mhz)
Hard Disk : 500 GB Seagate SATA II
Monitor : Viewsonic 19"
Graphic Card: GeCube Radeon HD 4850
Speakers : Creative Inspire 5.1
Cabinet : Antec TX1088AMG
Keyboard/ Mouse : Logitech Standard

Tell me if the above configuration is right or do I need to make any changes.
As ChotoCheeta said, get a X4 or X3 as the CPU. And get a 790FX or 790F CrossFire motherboard instead of 780G if you intend to have high end dedicated graphics.

I personally recommend any Phenom X4 above 2.0GHz, and Phenom 9350 will do wonders.
But if you are on a budget, get the Phenom X4 8450.

Animation ? I think you might need to up the RAM to 4GB in that case. But who cares ? You can get more memory later if you so wish.
Replace the processor with any X4 or at-least X3 :)

Phenom X4 9550 is @ Rs. 8000/- + VAT
Phenom X3 8450 is @ Rs. 5500/- + VAT

:) thank you.
Do you have any price info about X4 9150, the cheapest quad core the world has seen ? Its hard to see in India. :(

[Choto Cheeta]

Do you have any price info about X4 9150, the cheapest quad core the world has seen ? Its hard to see in India.

I have already writen than dealers here in Kolkata expecting it (or rather lower range X4 and some price drop) after 8th of this month :)

[MetalheadGautham]

I have already writen than dealers here in Kolkata expecting it (or rather lower range X4 and some price drop) after 8th of this month :)
what ? :shock:
how much can it be ? 6k ?

[W i d e S c r e e N]

@ Choto Cheeta.

I have this config purchased in Mid 2005.

AMD 64 X2 4200+
MSI K8N DIAMOND
512MB x2
Sony/LiteON DVD Burner
7800GT

Since last six months I've had this problem of click noise coming from the HDD. Ive replaced the HDDs from 160 to 400 from 400 to 750 now.

I think the Motherboard is a problem here?
Or a BIOS update will solve the problem?


is the life cycle of this motherboard over? Should I wait or get a new config? Please advice :?


I got the problem solved of clickin noise. It gave birth to a new problem, there's a freeze on running processes, maybe an internal problem or whatever..

I've been using this config since mid 2005, the system runs 15hrs/day. It has handled demanding tasks. Still is. But i think due to the issue my future files maybe in danger.

Should i hold on or sell it?

the random freezing now rarely occurs

A quick and straightforward little question:

I heard old samsung 80GB HDDs had lots of issues. Is it true ? Can someone tell me if my 2005 Samsung 80GB SATA HDD has those ultra low life expectancy problems ? When should I start backing up ?

The three quotes from me are in order of when posted.

Metal's posts asked the qustion which i think i was indirectly asking about. : life expectancy of computer hardware

[Ashok Verma]

hi friends,
one of my friends want to buy a new PC(assembled).
he wants my suggestion for it.
please give me the configuration with latest prices(approx.).
My budget is 18K - 25K.

my preferences are given below, please suggest if these are good or not.
also suggest good options if you have..

1. Processor - Intel Quad core
Q9300
Q9450
Q6600

2. Mother board - ASUS P5N32-E-SLI
ASUS Striker Extreme
ASUS P5K Premium
i would like to stick to ASUS, But u can suggest any other brand but with good features of course.

3. HDD - Seagate 500GB SATA 7200.11 32MB buffer.

4. RAM - 2GB/800MHz by ZION or Transcend or Hynix
(Which one is better, please suggest)

5.DVD-RW - (SATA)
which is the Best DVD-RW available i'm thinking to go for Samsung SH-S223F
Please suggest a good Dvd writer with good buffer and build quality.

6.Monitor - Also Suggest a good 19" TFT

7.Keyboard/Mouse - Logitech, Multimedia KB, Optical Mouse
(suggest if any good brand than Logitech)

8. SMPS - which one i should go for 600w or 800W.

9. MFP (All-in-one) - I want MFP with Print+Scan+Copy (No Fax required) for home use. with decent photo print quality and scan resolution
i'm would like to buy it of HP Make.:D

please Help me.!!!!!
Thanks in advance:):)

[MetalheadGautham]

^^I doubt you could fit everything in that budget. How about switching to AMD Triple Core and 780G ?

remaining everything looks reasonable. the HDD and Optical Drive and RAM you chose are all A-OK.

Monitor - I suggest Dell.

Yes, HP makes the best MFPs. But if he is a student (or has someone in his house who needs regular prints), I suggest going for a basic Monochrome Laser Printer.

[Rudick]

Like we saw 9800Gt in SLi mode in the form 9800GTX2, is 8800GT available in the same mode? I will also be upgrading my system soon and since my screen can support max res of 1360x768 only can you suggest me a card(or 2 in SLi) that can play even future games like Alan Wake in above mentioned resolutions without any noticeable frame drop?
Can we expect drop in 790i's rate by this December? :confused:
I say December cause in December, hopefully I'll be upgrading my


Processor : E6300(Currently) Upgrade-???
Mobo: Asus P5LD2 VM SE(945G) Upgrade-???
RAM: Kingston 2x1GB DDR2 667 MHz(Current) Upgrade- 2x2GB DDR2 800MHz or 2x1GB DDR3
GPU: Asus EN7600GT(256MB DDR3) Upgrade-???
PSU: Frontech 350W (Current) Upgrade- Corsair HX620 or a 750W (gonna import one) ;)

HDD I've one 400GB one and other 160GB one, speakers I've T6060, got 'em for 4K back in Feb.2007
Give a glance to this also my friends

guys Check this GPU out :p
http://priceguru.in/archives/new-hardware/1990#more-1990
Also can anybody illustrate me on the Intel's Extreme Processors, Cost, Performance, Models? :confused:

[anshulkumar]

I am Planning to build a new PC but i m little bit confussesd with processor , motherboard, and ram. i m 3D designer and animator i want to build a system according to animation n fast rendeing so plz suggest me wat config i should buy. I m thinkink for the AMD System .. plz do suggest me the correct option

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^^

Please state your budget :)

@W i d e S c r e e N

I dont think that motherboard life is over !! Some time you know, simply a screw which is not properly tighten with the cabinet can shake the HDD while its spinning and that can generate this type of sound,

also few of our segeate HDD 250g / 160g is bit noisy but still there is not performance issue with them..

the random freezing now rarely occurs

can u tell us how the 1st problem of noice was solved !! ??

[Choto Cheeta]

I am Tamil Cinema Director Tharani.I am a homosexual.My films you know Thill,Thool,Killi,Kuruvi.My telephone no is 9144426213. Call me.O.K|?

:x:x:x

27 spam posts !!

:confused::confused:

[Ashok Verma]

^^I doubt you could fit everything in that budget. How about switching to AMD Triple Core and 780G ?


i would like to buy intel CPU preferably C2Q Quad-core and MOBO either an intel chipset or nVidea chipset from ASUS. don't worry about budget as i can add some more bucks (up to 30k)

anyone please suggest a good Combo within two or three days.

also suggest a good Mono laser printer. but i'm thinking to buy a MFD (fax not req.)
with decent printing quality and scan resolution.

also give the prices if possible.

[niravjadwani]

Hi..

Nice thread. And pretty good responses too....

Now, I want to setup my office with two working pcs, one for accounting, and one for internet and documentation stuff.

I am trying to get only one full pc, and running two different systems for different purpose. Is this possible? I heard of some server client thing, but as I am not sure whether it works, I am here for your opinion.

Tell me, is it possible to run two different and working pc terminals, with just one pc?
(Earlier I asked in questions forum, but was moved here. However, can't find what I am looking for.)

[Choto Cheeta]

Now, I want to setup my office with two working pcs, one for accounting, and one for internet and documentation stuff.

Please specify your budget !!!


I am trying to get only one full pc, and running two different systems for different purpose. Is this possible? I heard of some server client thing, but as I am not sure whether it works, I am here for your opinion.

Tell me, is it possible to run two different and working pc terminals, with just one pc?
(Earlier I asked in questions forum, but was moved here. However, can't find what I am looking for.)

This is what you are looking for I suppose ??

http://www.elecomsystems.com/showpages.asp?pid=1006

In compare to Indian availability and price, one can get a Second hand system :lol: cheaper

[subodhpatil]

Hi All



Please have your comment on this
Budget : 60K-75K


Processor

Intel Q9450 (2.66 Ghz 12MB Cache 1333Mhz.) (or latest available)

Motherboard + Graphics card

1. Asus Striker Edition (NVIDIA nForce� 780i SLI Chip) + GEforce9600 (or 8800) OR

2. Asus Maximus Formulla II (Intel P45) + ATI Radeon™ HD 4850

RAM

DDR II : 2GB (800Mhz) [or 2GB (1066Mhz) if not too costly]

SMPS :

Tagaz BZ 700. (Or cooler master)

Cabinet

CoolerMaster CM690

Harddisk :

1. Westarn Digital / Segate 500GB (32MB buffer)
OR
2. Westarn Digital / Segate Two 350 GB in RAID 0

DVD Writer

Samsung 22x/20x SATA

Monitor

1. Dell e228wfp
OR
2. Samsung 22 '' 2243NWX
OR
3. Samsung LTM220M1

KeyBoard Mouse

1. Logitech Cordless Keyboard + Mouse Set Ex90



Speaker

Logitech G51 OR Logtech Z5500..

Printer

MFD (Laser) from Samsung
OR
MFD (Inject) from HP

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^

What is your budget mate ??

[nish_higher]

Hi All



Please have your comment on this



Processor

Intel Q9450 (2.66 Ghz 12MB Cache 1333Mhz.) (or latest available)

Motherboard + Graphics card

1. Asus Striker Edition (NVIDIA nForce� 780i SLI Chip) + GEforce9600 (or 8800)

2. Asus Maximus Formulla II (Intel P45) + ATI Radeon™ HD 4850

RAM

DDR II : 2GB (800Mhz) [or 2GB (1066Mhz) if not too costly]

SMPS :

Tagaz BZ 700. (Or cooler master)

Cabinet

CoolerMaster CM690

Harddisk :

1. Westarn Digital / Segate 500GB (32MB buffer)

2. Westarn Digital / Segate Two 350 GB in RAID 0

DVD Writer

Samsung 22x/20x SATA

Monitor

1. Dell e228wfp

2. Samsung 22 '' 2243NWX

3. Samsung LTM220M1

KeyBoard Mouse

1. Logitech Cordless Keyboard + Mouse Set Ex90



Speaker

Logitech G51

Printer

MFD (Laser) from Samsung

MFD (Inject) from HP

Q6600 + thermalright120e
MSI P7N SLi platinum/MSI P45 Platinum,in case of crossfire
Gskill 4gbpq
Wd 640gb hard drive
dell 24"
Corsair 620HX
Apc Sua 750i
Hp printer
cooler master 690
Palit HD4850

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^

Try to avoid the 65nm in case of new purchase :)

http://www.chotocheeta.com/2008/06/18/difference-between-45nm-core-2-duo-quad-and-65nm-core-2-duo-quad/

[nish_higher]

yea i keep visiting ur website.good article.but actually 45nm quads are good on the paper only.i'm not counting the extreme ones.but if u practically compare these with oc'ing and their performance in quad compatible apps,their performance is almost the same.q6600 easily oc's well and is the best vfm +performance processor till now.upcoming 45nm quads would be good but they ain't coming soon.

[W i d e S c r e e N]

@Choto Cheeta,
I thought it was solved when I installed a RAID driver missing from the system. Till now the clicking noise from the HDD has lessened, in occurrence. I'm praying it stays that way.

BTW, isnt that noise a signal to get the HDD replaced?

[gary4gar]

@Choto Cheeta,
I thought it was solved when I installed a RAID driver missing from the system. Till now the clicking noise from the HDD has lessened, in occurrence. I'm praying it stays that way.

BTW, isnt that noise a signal to get the HDD replaced?
Check S.M.A.R.T for HDD health.
see if Threshold Exceeds, if yes then Time for RMA

Self-Monitoring Analysis and Reporting Technology (SMART)

In an effort to help users avoid data loss, drive manufacturers are now incorporating logic into their drives that acts as an "early warning system" for pending drive problems. This system is called Self-Monitoring Analysis and Reporting Technology or SMART. The hard disk's integrated controller works with various sensors to monitor various aspects of the drive's performance, determines from this information if the drive is behaving normally or not, and makes available status information to software that probes the drive and look at it.
http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/smart.html

[arijit4india]

I am looking for to purchase the internals of a computer (i.e. Motherboard, Processor, RAM, PSU, Graphics Card and HDD) with a budget around 20k. Here is what I have thought of so far...

1. Motherboard: Won't do massive overclocking and since I will be buying a Graphics Card onboard Graphics is really not needed.

2. Processor: I will prefer Intel but can do with AMD, Standard Core 2 Duo (I think the 8xxx series is what is sellig nowadays) or Athlon X2 would do.

3.Graphics Card: I am leaning towards a 9600GSO Graphics card here... but if I can't get it in the budget, is there something between the price/performance range of 8600 GT and 9600GSO? And also what are the decent 8600GT options other than the obvious Electric Stove or Mercury?

4.HDD: Yeah any basic 250 GB+ SATA HDD would do, Seagate, Samsung or WD.

5.PSU: I gather that with my specs 500W is recommended here, I am not looking for Extreme Performance Solutions but definitely el cheapo el crappo I-Ball won't do here, what are the price ranges of VIP,Zebby or CM PSU-s of 500W here?

6.RAM: 2GB Ram- Transcend or something quality that costs around 2k.

Now I am basically confused about the MoBo and Processor choice- both Intel's xxxx and AMD's X2 range confuses me- and I have little idea of presently available P35 ranged motherboards, (is MSI's Neo still available), let alone their prices. Help would be appreciated

[MetalheadGautham]

I am looking for to purchase the internals of a computer (i.e. Motherboard, Processor, RAM, PSU, Graphics Card and HDD) with a budget around 20k. Here is what I have thought of so far...

1. Motherboard: Won't do massive overclocking and since I will be buying a Graphics Card onboard Graphics is really not needed.

2. Processor: I will prefer Intel but can do with AMD, Standard Core 2 Duo (I think the 8xxx series is what is sellig nowadays) or Athlon X2 would do.

3.Graphics Card: I am leaning towards a 9600GSO Graphics card here... but if I can't get it in the budget, is there something between the price/performance range of 8600 GT and 9600GSO? And also what are the decent 8600GT options other than the obvious Electric Stove or Mercury?

4.HDD: Yeah any basic 250 GB+ SATA HDD would do, Seagate, Samsung or WD.

5.PSU: I gather that with my specs 500W is recommended here, I am not looking for Extreme Performance Solutions but definitely el cheapo el crappo I-Ball won't do here, what are the price ranges of VIP,Zebby or CM PSU-s of 500W here?

6.RAM: 2GB Ram- Transcend or something quality that costs around 2k.

Now I am basically confused about the MoBo and Processor choice- both Intel's xxxx and AMD's X2 range confuses me- and I have little idea of presently available P35 ranged motherboards, (is MSI's Neo still available), let alone their prices. Help would be appreciated
I recommend this combination:

AMD 780G Motherboard
AMD Phenom X3 8450 Processor
ATI Radeon HD3650 - USE IN HYBRID CROSSFIRE MODE
Transcend Value RAM DDR2 800MHz 1+1 Combo

[thetillian]

I had an 3 years old PC with the below configuration, please suggest a price for it, i wanted to sell it and buy a new one

Configuration:
Processor: Intel P4 2.66GHZ with extended 64-bit technology
Motherboard: ECS-P4M800PRO-M (V1.0A) (FSB:1066)
RAM: 768 MB DDR
DVD Writer: ASUS DRW-1814BLT with light scribe
Monitor: 17" CRT
Keyboard & Mouse: HCL wirless keyboard & mouse
Speakers: Altech Lansing ATP3
Other Accessories: 56k Modem
TV Tuner Card
1.44" Floppy Drive

[Night-Rider]

I have decided to go for the upgrade. I don't know how much longer will i have to wait for the price cut. :( It may take an year.
So i have 2 configurations in mind

CPU - Core2Duo E7200 Rs.5900/-
MOBO - ABIT IP35-E Rs.5350/-
GPU - EVGA 9600GT SC Rs.9200/-
PSU - CM Extreme Power 500W Rs.2650/-
RAM - 2GB 800MHz Rs.1950/-
Total= Rs.25,050/-

OR
CPU - Core2Duo E8200 Rs.7800/-
MOBO - ABIT IP35-E Rs.5350/-
GPU - Palit 9600GSO-Sonic Rs.6500/-
PSU - CM Extreme Power 500W Rs.2650/-
RAM - 2GB 800MHz Rs.1950/-
Total= Rs.24,250/-
Which one shall i go for?

[nish_higher]

^The first one is fine except for the gpu.it should be Ati 4850 .and if u can spend around 1.5k on a cooler,do it.

[rk]

i am planning to buy a new hp desktop,
so i want to know as many assemblers give discount after bargain,
so does hp shops also give some discount after bargain,or their price is strictly fixed,
thx

[tmbsundar]

Hi

Which is the best 690G motherboard?

I have come across reviews/ recommendations on

1) Asus M2A-VM - Safe recommendation by many people for a VFM build
2) GA-MA69G-S2H - seems to be good
3) Biostar TA690G AM2 - I like this board better because this has a bit of OCing capabilities (I may not oC since I am building for someone else) and uses solid capacitors around the Power circuit

Also MSI K9AGM2- FIH - (this I see now with 780 G in theie web site), Jetway 690G board (somwhow I have been getting feedback that Jetway is not reliable and RMA is bad)

Also, there's a 690V based mobo called GA-MA69VM-S2 - Is it any good?

Can you please advice on

a) which is best among the 690G lot?
b) Is Biostar available in India and what are the prices for these boards - I think GA will be expensive - Asus was 3425 from ITwares.

I am looking for a budget build for someone else, hence reliability is important.

If anyone knows availability situation Bangalore it would help...Thanks a lot in advance...

[Pathik]

Why do you want a 690g when 780g is out?

[Ashok Verma]

who has the authority to MOVE the Threads we create!!:mad:
Not at all getting good response here. :-(

[Choto Cheeta]

who has the authority to MOVE the Threads we create!!:mad:

Hello Mr. Ashok,

Please note members are not get paid to offer your solutions, this is a place where people participate after taking time off from their daily work / study...

While you ask a question in a Open Discussion board, you are expected to have a little patience.. Also there is a first post having some details about what to expect in a 25k PC did you give it a read ??

Not at all getting good response here. :-(

Anyway Sorry to disappoint u with our (or rather my) Lack of knowledge !!!

thank you,

[gary4gar]

who has the authority to MOVE the Threads we create!!:mad:
Not at all getting good response here. :-(
We are not paid to answers questions here, when we do its by our own will.
so you can *request* for information & help but can't force anyone to answer.

Hope you understand:)

[Choto Cheeta]

i am planning to buy a new hp desktop,
so i want to know as many assemblers give discount after bargain,
so does hp shops also give some discount after bargain,or their price is strictly fixed,
thx

Price is never fixed :lol: so bargain as much as possible :lol:

@subodhpatil

I have already suggested you a config,

http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=877666&postcount=3578

is there any problem with that one ??

i am planning to buy a new hp desktop,
so i want to know as many assemblers give discount after bargain,
so does hp shops also give some discount after bargain,or their price is strictly fixed,
thx

prices are never fixed so bargain as much as you can :D

@arijit4india

I agree with this bellow comment,

I recommend this combination:

AMD 780G Motherboard
AMD Phenom X3 8450 Processor
ATI Radeon HD3650 - USE IN HYBRID CROSSFIRE MODE
Transcend Value RAM DDR2 800MHz 1+1 Combo

However I would add say get these bellow if you are in real need of a system

AMD Phenom X3 8450 @ Rs. 5500 /- + VAT
GigaByte GA-MA78GM-S2H (AMD 780G) @ Rs. 4400 /- + VAT
2 GB DDR-II 667 MHz (Transend / Kingstone) @ Rs. 1850 /- + VAT
250 GB SATA-II @ Rs. 2200 /- + VAT

TAX @ 4% 558 /-
Total Rs. 14508 /-

And run onboard for few days / week or month tiul u can add another 5k to that budget to obtain a HD 4850 which is now retailing at Rs. 12k, more stock in next month of so should bring the price down to 10.5k (around)

also about confusing processor numbers, read this,

http://www.chotocheeta.com/2008/06/18/difference-between-45nm-core-2-duo-quad-and-65nm-core-2-duo-quad/

[MetalheadGautham]

I had an 3 years old PC with the below configuration, please suggest a price for it, i wanted to sell it and buy a new one

Configuration:
Processor: Intel P4 2.66GHZ with extended 64-bit technology
Motherboard: ECS-P4M800PRO-M (V1.0A) (FSB:1066)
RAM: 768 MB DDR
DVD Writer: ASUS DRW-1814BLT with light scribe
Monitor: 17" CRT
Keyboard & Mouse: HCL wirless keyboard & mouse
Speakers: Altech Lansing ATP3
Other Accessories: 56k Modem
TV Tuner Card
1.44" Floppy Drive
Keep the TV Tuner, DVD Writer and Keyboard/Mouse if they are not damaged.
You may also keep the Floppy Drive and Speakers. And perhaps modem.

Remaining may fetch ~3.6K minus monitor. Monitor around 2K.
Why do you want a 690g when 780g is out?
I had the same question.
who has the authority to MOVE the Threads we create!!:mad:
Not at all getting good response here. :-(
The mods have the authority. They exercised it because you didn't post the question in the right place.
Price is never fixed :lol: so bargain as much as possible :lol:


is there any However I would add say get these bellow if you are in real need of a system

AMD Phenom X3 8450 @ Rs. 5500 /- + VAT
GigaByte GA-MA78GM-S2H (AMD 780G) @ Rs. 4400 /- + VAT
2 GB DDR-II 667 MHz (Transend / Kingstone) @ Rs. 1850 /- + VAT
250 GB SATA-II @ Rs. 2200 /- + VAT

TAX @ 4% 558 /-
Total Rs. 14508 /-

And run onboard for few days / week or month tiul u can add another 5k to that budget to obtain a HD 4850 which is now retailing at Rs. 12k, more stock in next month of so should bring the price down to 10.5k (around)
How about Bargaining Tips ? :p

Anyway, Don't you think HD3650 plus HD3200 in hybrid crossfire would give 9600GSO like performance ? That plus the power saving would make it a better option than HD4850 for non gamers IMO. Please comment.

i would like to buy intel CPU preferably C2Q Quad-core and MOBO either an intel chipset or nVidea chipset from ASUS. don't worry about budget as i can add some more bucks (up to 30k)

anyone please suggest a good Combo within two or three days.

also suggest a good Mono laser printer. but i'm thinking to buy a MFD (fax not req.)
with decent printing quality and scan resolution.

also give the prices if possible.
C2Q E9450
ABit OR ASUS P35 motherboard
Mono Laser ? There was a thread around recently. I think Samsung or HP has one below 5K.

[Night-Rider]

^The first one is fine except for the gpu.it should be Ati 4850 .and if u can spend around 1.5k on a cooler,do it.
But i have a budget of 25k only. Not above that. Can u suggest me an alternative that i buy some parts now and buy the GPU next month when prices plummet? I won't have the time to assemble the PC in august. So i wanted to purchase it now. Installing a GPU doesn't require any time so i can plug it in later in August.:rolleyes:

[nish_higher]

^ then get a 2nd hand card like 6200 for 1000-1200 depending upon its condition and sell it later in august for around 800-900 bucks when you buy a new one.

Abit IP35 does not have onboard gfx so u have to buy a card.and u cant compromise on the mobo if u want good performance.

[tmbsundar]

Why do you want a 690g when 780g is out?

I am on a tight budget @18K - building for someone else

He will use this primarily as an office PC, also this will double up to watch movies, listen to songs and play some basic games - at the max. 2-D games - no 3-D games...

[Night-Rider]

^ then get a 2nd hand card like 6200 for 1000-1200 depending upon its condition and sell it later in august for around 800-900 bucks when you buy a new one.

Abit IP35 does not have onboard gfx so u have to buy a card.and u cant compromise on the mobo if u want good performance.
Thats a better idea but do u think there's a possiblity that the price of HD4850 come down form 11.5k? If yes then how much?

[pranavsg07]

which is the best cooler for hd 4850 around Rs.2000?

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

Check out the AMD X3 Benchmarks Here at TechSpot (http://www.techspot.com/review/95-amd-phenom-x3-performance/).

In Few Tests X2 5200 > X3 8450
In Most tests X2 5200 = X3 8450
In Few Tests X2 < X3 8450


They finally conclude

But possibly the biggest threat to the Phenom X3 8650 is AMD's own 3.2GHz Athlon 64 X2 6400+ ($160), which we imagine could punish the new triple-core processor given how the Athlon64 X2 5200+ performed.


So X2 5600 Should be Better then X3 8540 Right ??

Biggest disappointment and I can't believe AMD X3 Take soo much to perform Memory Write operation. X2 Pwns then by a heavy margin.

Also

On that note, with the current pricing structure of the Athlon64 X2 series, you have to wonder how many users slugging it out on the AM2 platform are going to view the Phenom X3 as a worthy upgrade. Finally, the Phenom X3 8450 which sports a 2.10GHz clock speed, really struggled to stand aside of the Athlon64 X2 5200+ which is a mere $100 a piece versus the triple-core's $135.

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^^

Some thing fishy about that, i mean they are capable enough to obtain all those processors but didnt buy a AMD Athlon X2 6400 FX which according to them would perform far better than X3 lowest range 8450 ?? Why they stopped at 5200 only !!! ??

Also those area where it looks the X3 8450 is behind than X2 5200 is seems, influenced mostly by raw processor speed where a E8500 would outperform 9300 / 9450 also...

But that doesnt mean that E8500 is a better processor than Q9450

But simply where it is processor which counts, here is the result :D

http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/95/bench/Everest_02.png

[nish_higher]

Thats a better idea but do u think there's a possiblity that the price of HD4850 come down form 11.5k? If yes then how much?

that depends on Nvidia.if nvidia lowers price further,expect AMD to do the same.but at least expect it to be 500 bucks less.

[gary4gar]

@Choto Cheeta
can you post comparisons of INTEL's E7200,E8200,E8400 & Q6600 with AMD's X3 & X4 Line-up.

and why should user buying inte's proccy mentined above look at AMD, any reasons?
price? performance? or any other feature ?

[bassam904]

Wat wud be beat config in 15K for casual gaming
and later i would add a gfx card as well
I need amd config

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

ok i got your idea. Thanks.
Isn't the over all performance under a given setup that matters ?

Anyway i read it once again. X3 seems better.
The memory bandwidth is weak all in X3 due the damaged 4th core.

I hope Linux/Unix have no problems with X3.

[MetalheadGautham]

I am on a tight budget @18K - building for someone else

He will use this primarily as an office PC, also this will double up to watch movies, listen to songs and play some basic games - at the max. 2-D games - no 3-D games...
Then why are you getting higher end 690G mobos ? You should instead be looking at Jetway 690G for 2.5K. For future reference, Gigabyte 780G costs Rs. 4,400/-.

And for use as an Office PC with 2D games, I better recommend Sempron 2.0GHz LE for 1.6K along with VIA Motherboard for 1.6K and 512MB of DDR2 667MHz RAM. :lol:

^^^^

Some thing fishy about that, i mean they are capable enough to obtain all those processors but didnt buy a AMD Athlon X2 6400 FX which according to them would perform far better than X3 lowest range 8450 ?? Why they stopped at 5200 only !!! ??

Also those area where it looks the X3 8450 is behind than X2 5200 is seems, influenced mostly by raw processor speed where a E8500 would outperform 9300 / 9450 also...

But that doesnt mean that E8500 is a better processor than Q9450

But simply where it is processor which counts, here is the result :D

http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/95/bench/Everest_02.png
Hey choto, don't you think more cores would mean better virtualisation potential ? And more simultaneous multi threading performance ? Wouldn't this mean that if he is writing a DVD, ripping another DVD, listening to songs, Playing some basic 3D game like Unreal Tournament 2004 and browsing the web at the same time, 4 cores would beat the crap out of 2 ?
Wat wud be beat config in 15K for casual gaming
and later i would add a gfx card as well
I need amd config
The usual choto cheeta recommended AMD Phenom config which has *STILL* not been edited into the first page:


AMD Phenom X3 8450 @ Rs. 5500 /- + VAT
GigaByte GA-MA78GM-S2H (AMD 780G) @ Rs. 4400 /- + VAT
2 GB DDR-II 667 MHz (Transend / Kingstone) @ Rs. 1850 /- + VAT
250 GB SATA-II @ Rs. 2200 /- + VAT

TAX @ 4% 558 /-
Total Rs. 14508 /-

And run onboard for few days / week or month tiul u can add another 5k to that budget to obtain a HD 4850 which is now retailing at Rs. 12k, more stock in next month of so should bring the price down to 10.5k (around)
Just get DDR2 800MHz RAM instead of 667 MHz. It costs the same Rs. 1.8K elsewhere. I guess DDR2 800 is costly in Kolkata. :(
ok i got your idea. Thanks.
Isn't the over all performance under a given setup that matters ?

Anyway i read it once again. X3 seems better.
The memory bandwidth is weak all in X3 due the damaged 4th core.

I hope Linux/Unix have no problems with X3.
I don't know much about the memory bandwidth results, but I think the X3 has no 4th core.

Linux has NO problem with Three Cores in X3.

Unix was not designed to run on multiple cores and is too old and obsolete to be of intrest to anyone here, but its implementation called Sun Solaris is a free OS which exists and can run on even 8 Core Sun Ultra SPARC processor. I think it too is fully compatible.

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

My upgrade time has finally come. Tomorrow going to SP raod.

Guys please outline a rig for 27k !! 27k+12% VAT = 30k !!

Am probably going with GigaByte GA-MA78GM-S2H (AMD 780G) + Cheapest of AMD 5600,6000,8450.

19inch monitor which one ??
Am no gamer. :)

[Chetz]

Hello Everyone,

I need to buy 2 pc's. 1 for shop and 2nd for home

Shop:
The job mainly is printing. And more or less, internet n MS office related stuff. I want a good configuration but reasonable price. I dont want any luxury stuff here. My budget is 15,000. I can hold till 18,000. But more within the budget the better.

Home: Well my main uses are gonna be more ofnet surfing, bit of gaming (NFS Carbon,Fifa 08 kinda games) and bit of multimedia (like watchin tv on comp using a tv tuner card, then songs n movies). And it shd help me in civil engineering course.
My budget includin UPS n stuff shd be within 25,000. So please reccomend me a good config.

And for both the places i want all in one ( Print scan copy). u can reccomend me other options in printing machines as the main job is printing.( say DTP printer ). So office printer need not neccesarily be all in one.
More cheaper the office pc gets more i can utilize funds for home pc.
My overall budget is 50k for both the PC's and printer and all in one.

[Choto Cheeta]

Just get DDR2 800MHz RAM instead of 667 MHz. It costs the same Rs. 1.8K elsewhere. I guess DDR2 800 is costly in Kolkata.

My mistake :( it is 800 MHz !!!!

@Captain Neo

15k for full system config ?? i mean display / ups and all that, or 15 for an update ??

Hey choto, don't you think more cores would mean better virtualisation potential ? And more simultaneous multi threading performance ? Wouldn't this mean that if he is writing a DVD, ripping another DVD, listening to songs, Playing some basic 3D game like Unreal Tournament 2004 and browsing the web at the same time, 4 cores would beat the crap out of 2 ?

In case of Hyper-V / VMware latest builds, yeah, they do benefit heavily from number of cores and more RAM for sure !!!

Now about Desktop application, see, all of those not only relay on Processor but on other stuff also, for example, HDD performance / RAM / IDE speed and such...

For example, even if you have a top of the line processor but still if you Playgame / Run Page File / RIP DVD / Burn DVD on a single HDD and with same IDE channel, you wont have better speed.

Where as if you have a fast SSD running the Page File, where as windows and game both are in different physical HDD and DVD burn / RIP from different drive in different channel yeah performance would be better...

Windows Vista is better in capable to manage more cores than Windows XP... but still todays os are still no yet capable enough to dedicate certain cores to certain Apps !!! So those applications which can them self use the benefit of 4 cores will benefit from more cores than others :)

Home: Well my main uses are gonna be more ofnet surfing, bit of gaming (NFS Carbon,Fifa 08 kinda games) and bit of multimedia (like watchin tv on comp using a tv tuner card, then songs n movies). And it shd help me in civil engineering course.
My budget includin UPS n stuff shd be within 25,000. So please reccomend me a good config.

please read the 1st page :D

Entertainment / Movies

Budget is upto Rs. 25000/-

Primary its aimed for those who wants a PC for entertainment, a bit of gaming, lot of movies / music, Internet surfing and stuff like that.

AMD Athlon X2 4800+ @ Rs. 3000 /- + VAT
Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2G (AMD 780G) @ Rs. 4400 /- + VAT
2 GB DDR-II 800 MHz (Transend / Kingstone) @ Rs. 1850 /- + VAT
160 GB SATA-II 7200.10 (WD / Segeate / SAMSUNG) @ Rs. 1825 /- + VAT
DVD RW (IDE - Any brand) @ Rs. 1100 /- + VAT
Any local cabinet with default 450 watts SMPS @ Rs. 1200 /- + VAT
Local Keyboard & mouse @ Rs. 375 /- + VAT
Dell SE198WFP or View Sonic vx1945wm or LG L194WT WideScreen HD TFT @ Rs. 9500 /- + VAT
Creaive / Logitech 2.1 @ Rs. 1100 /- + VAT
Any local UPS @ Rs. 1400 /- + VAT

TAX @ 4% 1030 /-
Total Rs. 26780 /-

Add up to this config as you have little higher budget, like add a vista compatible TV tuner Card from Pinnacle / WinFast @ Rs. 2k + TAX

this is an awesome config along with a gr8 value for money AMD Range processor, also the AMD 780G along with its ATi HD 3200 onboard will allow vista to run with full glory and play full HD (1080p) without any problem.

If you are tight in budget and in need to fit this under Rs. 25k then just change the motherboard to AMD 690G based M2A-VM (DVI) which is Rs. 3100/- + VAT !!

Shop:
The job mainly is printing. And more or less, internet n MS office related stuff. I want a good configuration but reasonable price. I dont want any luxury stuff here. My budget is 15,000. I can hold till 18,000. But more within the budget the better.

once again please read the 1st page :)

Lets Go Low

Target PC within Rs. 12000/- + TAX

Buy a PC which makes sense in a budget as low as possible... This would be a PC for basic Office job, running basic office apps for accounting, printing and stuff like that !!!! It will be running Windows XP with ease !!!

AMD Sepron 3200+ / AMD Sempron LE 1150 @ Rs. 1200 /- + VAT
MSI K8MM-V / M9MM-V @ Rs. 1600 /- + VAT
512 MB DDR-II 667 MHz (Transcend / Kingstone) @ Rs. 550 /- + VAT
80 GB SATA (WD / Segeate / SAMSUNG) @ Rs. 1525 /- + VAT
DVD RW (IDE - Any brand) @ Rs. 1100 /- + VAT
Any local cabinet with default 450 watts SMPS @ Rs. 1200 /- + VAT
Local Keyboard & mouse @ Rs. 375 /- + VAT
LG 17" CRT 700E @ Rs. 4150 /- + VAT
Any stereo speaker @ Rs. 350 /- + VAT
Any Local UPS @ Rs. 1400 /- + VAT

TAX @ 4% 482 /-
Total Rs. 13132 /-

This one is only meant to run windows XP, now if you plan to run vista or such for little entertainment, you can add on this, like getting 1 GB RAM @ Rs. 850/- instead of 512 MB, also changing the motherboard from VIA chipset based M8MM-V to Windows Vista Compatible ASUS M2N-MX SE @ Rs. 2300/- + VAT.

thank you :D

@a_k_s_h_a_y

can u please specify what are the products you need ?? like Mobo + procy + RAM + TFT thats it ?? or any thing more too ??

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

For 27k i need everything.
In Congress states there is 12% VAT !! hence a total of 30k

The best possible PC in 27k is what i would like to have. With A 19 inch Wide Screen LCD.
I guess it will best be AMD config for the balance act. Intel is costly.

So what do you think is the best ?? I don't play games !! For surfing (foruming?) that's it ;)
I suppose the basic backbone is this. Please make changes, as i might be wrong.

AMD 780G (GA-MA78GM-S2H) + X3 + Dell 19Inch LCD + Zebronics Bijli.

[forever]

How much of a difference does disk cache size make? Im planning to go for the western digital 640 GB over a similarly priced seagate 500 GB. Only downside is the western digital has 16 MB for cache as opposed to 32 MB in seagate. Would it make a whole lot of difference in terms of performance? Also if i could get an exact pricing for the WD ill be grateful, thanks!

[Chetz]

Hello Cheetah,
Ya i had seen the first page. But at it was posted a year back i thougth price mite have varied by now. if so please do tell me.
And 2ndly u did not mention anythin about printer and all in one machin. it will be helpful if u tell me these 2 things.

[bassam904]

I just need to buy the c.p.u ( dubba )
I have checked the 1st page alredy
plz recommend
intel or amd config
i ll add gfx card after 2 months

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

Ok guys... here is an important point to note about 780G, if you did not know it as of now.. from ArsTechnia (http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/amd-780g-chipset-review.ars)

The 780G supports a 1.8GHz HT 3.0 connection if a Phenom processor is used. If not, the chipset defaults to HT 2.0. This disables the HD 3200's post-processing features during HD playback, though ATI's UVD engine is still supported and engaged. The 780G's northbridge is capable of driving two displays independently and supports all the necessary acronyms, including DVI, HDMI, DP, and good ol' VGA.

[MetalheadGautham]

I just need to buy the c.p.u ( dubba )
I have checked the 1st page alredy
plz recommend
intel or amd config
i ll add gfx card after 2 months
dubba ?
budget kithna ?
you want flashy looking dubba or plain looking dubba ?

[sandeepr123]

Sir,
I am assembling a new PC . Please suggest a M/B,PROCESSOR AND GRAPHICS CARD COMBO FOR A STRICT BUDGET OF RS. 13,500.
My requirement for
1)M/B
a) 1 Firewire (MUST)
b)8 channel audio-onboard (MUST)
c) Raid (MUST)
d) PCI-E x 16--1 NO. (MUST)
e)PCI-E x 1 --1 NO.(MUST)
f)PCI slot --2 NO.(MUST)
G)ATX Form Factor(MUST)
h)P-35 Chipset---1333 mhz FSB(MUST)
i) 1-Gig.Eth. port(MUST)
J)1 PATA(MUST)
K)e-SATA---(OPTIONAL)

2) AProcessor ~Rs.4500~5500+TAX
CORE 2 DUO
3)A Graphics card~Rs.3500(max)+TAX
NVIDIA
8500 GT or 8400 GS
SUGGEST ANY OTHER COMBO WHICH YOU THINK GOOD NOT EXCEEDING Rs 13,500.
QS.WHICH IS BETTER? 8400 GS OR 8500 GT?

The strong contenders available now are

For M/B's
1)MSI P35 NEO F--Rs.5500+tax
2)MSI P 35 NEO COMBO F--Rs.5750+tax
3)INTEL DP 35 DPM
4) ABIT IP-35-E--Rs.5500+tax
Also 5)INTEL DG 33 FB-with O/B graphics-Rs.4850+tax

For Processors (INTEL)
1)CORE 2 DUO 2.0 Ghz
2)CORE 2 DUO 2.2 Ghz--5350/-+tax
OR ANY OTHER OF THE SAME SERIES.

For Graphic cards(all + tax)
1)XFX 8500 GT 512 MB DDR2-3250/-
2)PALIT 8500GT 512 MB DDR2-3200/-
3)XFX 8500 GT 256 MB DDR2--rS.3000/-
or even 4)ANY 8400 GS CARDS if found better.
SUGGEST ANY OTHER PRO M/B G.C WHICH YOU MIGHT FIND GOOD AT Rs.13,500
The rest of the config.is
1.SAMSUNG 953 BW--LCD Rs.10K
2.SAMSUNG 22X DVD-W--SH-S223--Rs1200+Tax
3.1 GB KINGSTON/ZION RAM--Rs.1150+tax--WARRANTY????--3 or 1 year????
4.1 ZEBRONICS CABINET--Rs.1500+tax---WARRANTY??? 3 OR 1 year???
5.250 GB WD HDD,16 MB BUFFER--2500+TAX
6MOUSE- OPTICAL-LOGITECH-Rs.350

[utsav]

Am just getting a new mobo ,ram, cpu,gfx card and psu.
I hav decided on intel e7200, 2gb ddr2 800mhz , nvidia 9600gso , cooler master 460watt psu .i am confused on the mobo part. I want a good mobo which can oc the e7200 upto 3.5GHz atleast. I dont wanna spend more than 4k on mobo

[Choto Cheeta]

Hello Cheetah,
Ya i had seen the first page. But at it was posted a year back i thougth price mite have varied by now. if so please do tell me.
And 2ndly u did not mention anythin about printer and all in one machin. it will be helpful if u tell me these 2