Basic Guide Purchase a New System

[Fahd.Malik]

Hi all

I am planning to buy a new CPU. Take into consideration that i am a noob.

Purpose: 24 hour web browsing/torrent download, 1-2 hours of gaming, photoshop CS 3, audio/video conversion(not much), MS office 2007, Vista compatible, Movies and songs. And should be good for next 3-4 years.

The config which fits in my budget is:

CPU: E6550/E6750 ( will i see performance difference in an over clocked E6550 at 2.66 ghz? will it be equivalent to E6750? And will this little overclocking reduce my cpu life? i need it for atleast 3-4 years)

MotherBoard: confused with IP35E or IP35E pro. the price diffrence is 4k. But will IP35 pro help me getting a good performance, keeping in mind that i wont change the config for next 3-4 years. What are the things i will miss if i go for IP35E? and will those features much needed for me? Does these mobos support DDR3 RAMS? Also does Abit support warranty issues in India?

RAM: Whats up with DDR3 rams? are they good? will i feel the difference from DDR3 to DDR2? and whats up with the CAS timing or whatever it is like " 4-4-4-12", "5-5-5-12". What are these numbers and which number combination should we buy.I am planning to buy a 1 GB ram 800mhz kingston/trancend. Will add more as the price drops. But not sure whats 4-4-4-12/5-5-5-12. And 1 GB stick is better that 2x512 stick as far as performance is concerned?

Harddisk: At present i have a 80 GB HDD IDE. will it work on IP35E/IP35 pro?
i am also going to buy 160/250GB HDD seagate. Does using 2 or more harddisk at a time slows a system?


DVDWR: samsung/liteon 20X DVDWR. Is lightscribe usefull and whats the use of it?

Cabinet: i am confused over 3 cabinets CM 330 elite, Zebronics bijli and zebronics antibiotic/peace. Do i need to buy a PSU or the PSU attached to cabinet is sufficient? and does C2D need exceptional cooling like AMDs? And what about a overclocked E6550 to 2.66ghz. Will it need a bigger FAN? cabinet for cooling?

Graphic card: as Choto Cheeta suggests in his guide, i think 8600GT 256mb DDR3 is good, any other suggestion? what if i plan to buy graphic card after 2 months of buying rest of the config.. Will i be able to watch movies and install XP till i get a GCard? as my budget will not allow me to buy the card , will only be able to buy it after 2 months of buying rest of the config. So will i be able to play movies/youtube/XP, with rest of the config as IP35E does not has onboard grafix. By the way whats SLi?

I will be buying the stuff from nehru place delhi. Heard that CE, SMC, Cost 2 cost are the best price shops, can i expect good bargaining at these shops? Any other good shop i can look into?

I have one month time and i want a complete knowledge before D day. So guys plz dont get frustated by my noobish questions. I did asked a lot of em, but these questions were really bothering me while deciding a config. As i wont be changing the CPU and MOBO for next 3-4 years.

@ choto cheeta, love your blog, good for people like me to understand things which look kinda geeky. Plz do look into my config and add what changes i can do. And plz do answer my noobish questions.

Thnx.

[sagardani]

Dude now days most of the graphics card hooked up with either HDMI port or DVI to HDMI dongle with it.

I m not an SLI or X-Fire fan so Ip-35 Pro is the best choice. Stable, great overclocking and PCI-E 2.0.

If going for SLI then go with P5N32-E SLI which is not a PCI-E 2.0 but it has got X16,X16 lanes.


Dude I think you've mistaken. IP35 Pro doesn't support PCI-e 2.0
Hi all

Cabinet: i am confused over 3 cabinets CM 330 elite, Zebronics bijli and zebronics antibiotic/peace. Do i need to buy a PSU or the PSU attached to cabinet is sufficient? and does C2D need exceptional cooling like AMDs? And what about a overclocked E6550 to 2.66ghz. Will it need a bigger FAN? cabinet for cooling?



Zebronics Antibiotics is funky man...! I liked it. But according to theitwares.com it doesn't seem to come with built-in PSU. Because they've quoted price Rs.2.05k without PSU, though Im not sure. Check into the shop. I think it should have one 400W.

Also does Abit support warranty issues in India?

Good point. Please someone answer this.

Does anyone know current price of P5N32-E SLI at Pune ? Hows it for overclocking ?

[nish_higher]

Abit has no branch in india..all mobos are imported.so they are sent to Abit in case of issues..
both P5N32E sli and IP35 pro are PCI 1.1
here's P5N32esli's spec-

Expansion Slots

2 x PCIe x16 , support NVIDIA® SLI™ technology, at full x16, x16 speed (blue). x8 speed (white)
1 x PCIe x1
2 x PCI 2.2

And its a great overclocker.i m using it with Q6600.its an awesome board.onboard audio should be good-i dont know-i've got sound card.i have not oced much.its running at 3.34ghz and 4gb 800 ram at 1100mhz

either go with a PCI 2.0 board or get P5K-C :D ,you wont regret it.

[sagardani]

Ohh yea right right.. So which one will you suggest for PCI-e 2.0 and SLI ? Both them will fit into my budget ?

[nish_higher]

hmm.. well
i'd go with either P7N Sli or a XFX 780i if i were to buy a new PCI 2.0 mobo.but 780 i is very costly and if you see the benchmarks at Overclock3d , P7N is either ahead or exactly the same in performance with XFX 780i , Striker II and Maximus formula. now that kinda performance at almost half price ..who wouldn't want it ? http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/105.gif


reviews already telll that 8x Sli for PCI2.0 boards makes only 1-5% performance drop.check the link i posted above.

[sagardani]

hmm.. well
i'd go with either P7N Sli or a XFX 780i if i were to buy a new PCI 2.0 mobo.but 780 i is very costly and if you see the benchmarks at Overclock3d , P7N is either ahead or exactly the same in performance with XFX 780i , Striker II and Maximus formula. now that kinda performance at almost half price ..who wouldn't want it ? http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/105.gif


reviews already telll that 8x Sli for PCI2.0 boards makes only 1-5% performance drop.check the link i posted above.

Shitt.... There is neither VGA nor HDMI on board P7N :( :(... I guess I won't be able to watch HD films w/o having separate card.....:x Only 4 rear USB ports.. It lacks some cool features... Compared those of Abit and Asus boards... I think have to drop idea of SLI..

So which one of-

*IP35 Pro
*P5K-C
*P5N-D

I guess you're for IP35 Pro because of ddr3... But please let know your views about others too. Any of P5 has Pci-e 2.0 ?

[nish_higher]

^ none of these bords have onboard VGA..u always need a gfx card.HDMI playback is via DVI to HDMI adaptor which is either bundled with the card or available easily in the market..there's no connection of these boards with HDMI playback.

and IP35 pro does not support DDr3..its just a great ddr2 board with nice overclocking and stability.all these boards have 4 rear USB ports.may i know what's lacking in P7N that these 3 boards have?
i'm not against Abit IP35 pro.i've recommended it to a number of friends.but now the thing is only the new technology and new gfx cards coming out so buying something that does not run a gfx card the way it is to be run and having an option to get a better thing at same price..?http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/4.gif

[sagardani]

^ none of these bords have onboard VGA..u always need a gfx card.HDMI playback is via DVI to HDMI adaptor which is either bundled with the card or available easily in the market..there's no connection of these boards with HDMI playback.

and IP35 pro does not support DDr3..its just a great ddr2 board with nice overclocking and stability.all these boards have 4 rear USB ports.may i know what's lacking in P7N that these 3 boards have?

Ohh... So I must have gfx card to connect and watch HD monitor ??

On P5KC theres this AI Slot Detector, Up to 20°C(36°F) Cooler, CrashFree BIOS 3, Precision Tweaker, etc. I don't know if these are erally essentials... Seem just marketing hype..

so overall you think P7N is good balanced choice having both PCI-e 2.0 and SLI...? XFX 780i seem to have almost same features except 3-way SLI against 2-way of P7N.. Is that the reason its priced higher ?

Now just compare P7N with P5N32-E sli... As you own Asus, you will be a better person to compare...

[nish_higher]

yes!
those things are mostly for marketting except the power\reset switches on IP35pro and clr cmos at the back which is very useful for an overclocker

780i gives 3way PCI2.0 Sli and some little perfomance.nothing more.

[sagardani]

^^^^^

But,
Can you just compare P7N with P5N32-E sli...?

[nish_higher]

ok.. P5N32E SLi offers Sli in 16x mode.it has a good audio-supreme FX and its a stable board. P7N sli platinum is also very stable and offers PCI 2.0 and Sli in 8x which decreases its Sli performance from 780i by around 5% ..and its overall performance is almost as 780i..P5N32E sli (680i) is nowhere near.P7n has great Value for money and if you check MSI's homepage the board won great awards.

[Choto Cheeta]

well this is very cool Mr. Cheetah, but isnt it a bit outdated. nvidia 9600 gt and new quads have released... i think its time for some updates.

Yes Sir, as soon as I get some time off to compile the guide again will update :)


@Fahd.Malik



Purpose: 24 hour web browsing/torrent download, 1-2 hours of gaming, photoshop CS 3, audio/video conversion(not much), MS office 2007, Vista compatible, Movies and songs. And should be good for next 3-4 years.

please mention your budget !!!!

as without that its hard to compile a config :(

thank you :)

[ajayashish]

Choto any suggestion for me regarding the card and the motherboard...

[Choto Cheeta]

Choto any suggestion for me regarding the card and the motherboard...

PCI-E 2.0 would be nice :lol: so P5N-D is a choice, which is yet to come... if no SLi then ABiT IX38 QuadGT (http://www.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboard/motherboard_detail.php?pMODEL_NAME=IX38+QuadGT&fMTYPE=LGA775) which is Rs. 11600/- + TAX and available in Kolkata :D

to my money 8800 GT PCI-E 2.0 would be fine :D also look for Readon HD 3850 which retails around Rs. 12k in Kolkata !!! see if you can take price of that :)

[keith_j_snyder2]

Dude I think you've mistaken. IP35 Pro doesn't support PCI-e 2.0


Good point. Please someone answer this.

Does anyone know current price of P5N32-E SLI at Pune ? Hows it for overclocking ?

S**t. copied to the wrong place!
Thanks for pointing out!


Tirupati Enterprises has A-bit.
Checked with Anil @ Tirupati's New Delhi branch.
SO warranty won't be an issue.


http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2104

[ajayashish]

PCI-E 2.0 would be nice :lol: so P5N-D is a choice, which is yet to come... if no SLi then ABiT IX38 QuadGT (http://www.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboard/motherboard_detail.php?pMODEL_NAME=IX38+QuadGT&fMTYPE=LGA775) which is Rs. 11600/- + TAX and available in Kolkata :D

to my money 8800 GT PCI-E 2.0 would be fine :D also look for Readon HD 3850 which retails around Rs. 12k in Kolkata !!! see if you can take price of that :)

Is IX38 QuadGT compatible with the new processors coming ...

and performance vise how much memmory should i get in the graphic card... 512MB or 1GB... and which company... MSI... XFX or ASUS...

and i have heard that GTS is more powerful than GT... is that true...

[sagardani]

ok.. P5N32E SLi offers Sli in 16x mode.it has a good audio-supreme FX and its a stable board. P7N sli platinum is also very stable and offers PCI 2.0 and Sli in 8x which decreases its Sli performance from 780i by around 5% ..and its overall performance is almost as 780i..P5N32E sli (680i) is nowhere near.P7n has great Value for money and if you check MSI's homepage the board won great awards.

Yea I agree P7N has great value for money... But MSI is offering this nice, feature rich product at comparatively low cost... Don't you think there may be some compromise in build quality or in anything ? I hope not but its just the doubt came in my mind...

Again want to confirm- Can I use HD TFT screen without having gfx card ??

Please someone quote its latest price...

[Fahd.Malik]

@ choto cheeta

Hi
my budget is 25k and i want to buy
1) CPU( E6550/E6750)
2) Mobo( a good one which is future proof/ overclockable)
3) Ram(1GB for time being)
4) Hdd( 160GB)
5) Cabby + psu(if the one given with cabby is not sufficient)
6) DVDWR cheapest as all are fearly same.

Will buy GPU later maybe 2-3 months after the purchase of the config above. Will a system without GPU play movies and will be XP compatible?

If its fine for you then plz enlighten me on the doubts i have in my previous post.

thnx

[keith_j_snyder2]

Is IX38 QuadGT compatible with the new processors coming ...

and performance vise how much memmory should i get in the graphic card... 512MB or 1GB... and which company... MSI... XFX or ASUS...

and i have heard that GTS is more powerful than GT... is that true...

If "new processor" means the 1600FSB processors? then "YES" Chech its specs here (http://www.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboard/motherboard_detail.php?pMODEL_NAME=IX38+QuadGT&fMTYPE=LGA775&DEFTITLE=Y)

512Mb is good but if u can afford 1GB video memory, then its the best!
Like its said: Bigger is better!

Yes GTS is more powerful than GT but only the G92 core as in 8800GTS 512MB....not the 320MB or 640MB version.

8800 GTS comes in many flavors.
The older ones were 640Mb and 320MB (G80 based) models which performs lower than 8800 GT.
But the newer one (G92) is a great card and it even performs similar to the 768 MB 8800GTX edition.

[ajayashish]

So if i say i want to buy one card which will be best to get and of what memory size and brand... and what will be the approximate cost

[keith_j_snyder2]

Again want to confirm- Can I use HD TFT screen without having gfx card ??

Please someone quote its latest price...

With what? The HDMI port? Yes but only if ur motherboard have the HDMI port on it.

[sagardani]

With what? The HDMI port? Yes but only if ur motherboard have the HDMI port on it.

P7N has it or not ? (doesn't seem but):( :( :(

[keith_j_snyder2]

So if i say i want to buy one card which will be best to get and of what memory size and brand... and what will be the approximate cost

The best card on the block is ATi HD3870X2 features 1GB Memory.
There are many brands available like POWER COLOR, SAPPHIRE, MSI, GE-CUBE etc.

Cost is around 22K!

P7N has it or not ? (doesn't seem but):( :( :(

Dude all SLI motherboards don't have onboard video so as
P7N SLI Platinum. U gotta have a graphics card to have a display. But most of the graphics card manufacturers provide either HDMI port or DVI to HDMI dongle ( u have to check it before u buy) like XFX provide dongle and PALIT has onboard HDMI port.

[ajayashish]

but as i read a lot of forums on 3d... it creates a lot of problem with 3D max and softimage... so i cannot take risk takking a ATI card... i can only choose from Geforce...

[sagardani]

Dude all SLI motherboards don't have onboard video so as
P7N SLI Platinum. U gotta have a graphics card to have a display.

Means can't I even connect a simple CRT screen ?

[keith_j_snyder2]

^^ on P7N SLI Platinum? "NO"

[psmontte]

Pls. recommend a low cost MB (for E4500) with 1) average overclocking capability 2) on board graphics 3) DVI output 4) Dual Channel Support. Preferably ASUS,GIGABYTE, JETWAY and in that order.

[sagargv]

^^ xfx 630i but it doesnt support dual channel. . abit ip35 but it doesnt have onboard gfx.

[nish_higher]

Means can't I even connect a simple CRT screen ?
all boards above 5k don't have a monitor out
and that board is priced very well bcoz 1.it does not support tri sli and
2.its 8x Sli 3.no dual lan and wifi

the board costs around 9600 rupees.u can contact MSI india for that.

[sagardani]

Ohh... So I must have gfx card.. Budget increased :( :(

By the way... Doesn't even 1 motherboard in 5k-10k support monitor out ??

[ankitsagwekar]

noob here plz tell me diffrent between pci-e 16x vs pci-e 2.0 ?
which is better ?

[nish_higher]

^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express

[sagardani]

Read #2780 please.....

[sivarap]

I am a noob.....How do i compare ABiT IP35-E and XFX 630i 7150?
I see that there are three variants of ABiT IP-35 (pro, E, and " ")...whts the diference?

[nish_higher]

Ohh... So I must have gfx card.. Budget increased :( :(

By the way... Doesn't even 1 motherboard in 5k-10k support monitor out ??
thats why i asked u whether u own a gfx card or not in the very first post :)

no none of the mobos above 5k have monitor out.there might be some board by intel that has it but they would be too much outdated ones.u can use your FX5200 if its PCI ? and later buy a new card.

I am a noob.....How do i compare ABiT IP35-E and XFX 630i 7150?
I see that there are three variants of ABiT IP-35 (pro, E, and " ")...whts the diference?

XFX 630i 7150 is a mid-low entry level board with onboard graphics , no dual channel ram.IP35-E has has no onboard gfx and has dual channel ram , a better chipset than 630i.IP35 pro is the guru with crossfire support and great overcloking ability..now, ur budget 8-) ?

[keith_j_snyder2]

Dude u are confusing yourself and us too.
We need to know the budget for ur entire config.

[psmontte]

^^ xfx 630i but it doesnt support dual channel. . abit ip35 but it doesnt have onboard gfx.

With so many mobos out there, these are the only ones being recommended every time.:eek:

Donot we have any more choices?

[sagardani]

thats why i asked u whether u own a gfx card or not in the very first post :)

no none of the mobos above 5k have monitor out.there might be some board by intel that has it but they would be too much outdated ones.u can use your FX5200 if its PCI ? and later buy a new card.




I guess its not possible because its AGP and I think none of the listed mobo provides outdated AGP slot... May be right now I'll have to buy temporary one just for connecting monitor... SO which is the cheapest gfx card on which I can watch HD films...?

[sivarap]

XFX 630i 7150 is a mid-low entry level board with onboard graphics , no dual channel ram.IP35-E has has no onboard gfx and has dual channel ram , a better chipset than 630i.IP35 pro is the guru with crossfire support and great overcloking ability..now, ur budget 8-) ?



ok now....so i need an external gfx card if i need IP35-E?

The quote given in a shop in chennai is

Core2 duo 2.2ghz (should be E4500 not sure) ----- 4600
945 GCNL motherboard ---- 3150
1GB ddr2 ram ----- 900
160gb sata ---- 1950
cabinet ----- 950
Logitec keyboard&mouse --- 550


Its only the motherboard part that confuses me a lot.....Hows that 945GCNL motherboard..... How to compare motherboards?.....I know its in the forum somewhere...but am not able to find out.... :|

[infra_red_dude]

Yes P35 doesn't haf onboard gfx. 945 board is costly, other things are fine.

945 btw, is outdated.

[sivarap]

^^u say its outdated...in what way? how is the 630i or the P35 superior over the 945?

[nish_higher]

I guess its not possible because its AGP and I think none of the listed mobo provides outdated AGP slot... May be right now I'll have to buy temporary one just for connecting monitor... SO which is the cheapest gfx card on which I can watch HD films...?
u should get a cheapo 7300le,gs or 6200 series card and a DVI to HDMI dongle.

^^u say its outdated...in what way? how is the 630i or the P35 superior over the 945?
every way :cool:
memory/FSB/performance-u name it
that XFX 630i is a good board if u wanna go with onboard gfx.otherwise IP35-E and a gfx card

[sivarap]

No dealers for xfx 630i in chennai? :O

[monkey]

How is EVGA 630i/7100 or EVGA 630i/7150 in comparison to XFX 630i? I am planning a new computer for my office.

[hellgate]

ok now....so i need an external gfx card if i need IP35-E?

The quote given in a shop in chennai is

Core2 duo 2.2ghz (should be E4500 not sure) ----- 4600
945 GCNL motherboard ---- 3150
1GB ddr2 ram ----- 900
160gb sata ---- 1950
cabinet ----- 950
Logitec keyboard&mouse --- 550


Its only the motherboard part that confuses me a lot.....Hows that 945GCNL motherboard..... How to compare motherboards?.....I know its in the forum somewhere...but am not able to find out.... :|

dont even think bout getting a 945 based board.it sux bigtime.i'm using a 945 chipset based Gigabyte mobo and just pissed off ith its performance.anyways shall get the IP35-E 2morrow.if i aint satisfied with it then i'll go for IX38-Quad GT.:)

[sivarap]

thanks all for the suggestions...I am having difficulty finding it in chennai.....

btw....hows that xfx 650i? as far as i see...the only difference is that it doesn't have an onboard grafix card...even it doesn't support dual channel?

[sagargv]

xfx 650i supports dual channel mem .. instead of that u can get a abit ip35e mobo. both dont have onboard gfx. .but abit ip35e performs better.

[ajayashish]

Can anyone tell me how is XFX 780i Sli board... i will using Q6600 on that with 4GB 800MHz Ram... with XFX 8800GTS card... i just want to how is the MOBO and the Card

[nish_higher]

^ is XFX 780i officially available in india?

u can read the review here but since i've tried the board myself there's nothing beyond some new features-the board is not an awesome performer but yea its better than 680i.its better to wait for some 790i with DDR3
but you shoud just buy a P5N32E sli

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/616/1/

[axxo]

xfx 650i supports dual channel mem .. instead of that u can get a abit ip35e mobo. both dont have onboard gfx. .but abit ip35e performs better.

mate....you wont get xfs 650i/630i based chipset mobos...you may get this one..i think i have seen this @ delta peripherals.

http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2689

Also they may not understand if you ask for 630i chipset..mention that you want to buy nvidia 7150/7050 onboard video mobo...
Note 7050 comes with 610i chipset

[sagargv]

i dont want either mobo's . just replying to the other guy's query. personally , i dont like the xfx 630i coz of its lack for dual channel support. . .

[sagardani]

u should get a cheapo 7300le,gs or 6200 series card and a DVI to HDMI dongle.



Thanks.:) Have some questions-

1) Does that mean gfx card comes with DVI input and monitor comes with HDMI output ?
Or the vice-versa ?


2) Using that dongle won't degrade image quality ?

3) How much dongle costs ?

[ajayashish]

^ is XFX 780i officially available in india?

u can read the review here but since i've tried the board myself there's nothing beyond some new features-the board is not an awesome performer but yea its better than 680i.its better to wait for some 790i with DDR3
but you shoud just buy a P5N32E sli

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/616/1/


Asus has stopped the supply of P5N32E and that was always my first choice... and i like 790ibut the problem is it supports only DDR3 which will be a pain in my pockets... i will be buying 4GB of ram and DDR3 will drain my complete budget on the ram only...

[nish_higher]

Thanks.:) Have some questions-

1) Does that mean gfx card comes with DVI input and monitor comes with HDMI output ?
Or the vice-versa ?


2) Using that dongle won't degrade image quality ?

3) How much dongle costs ?

1.gfx card= hdmi out-either via a dongle or the port available on some Ati cards
monitor=DVI / HDMI input (not every monitor though)

2.no dongle does not afect quality.
3.it wont cost much.around 200

@ ajayashish
if its production is stopped dont buy that board even if its available.i think all 680i boards would be outdated soon enough except for the highest end.consider buying a P7N Sli platinum or wait till prices of DD3 and compatible mobos fall-its gonna happen even if DDR3 is no big improvement

[Ranjya]

I wish to pair a E2160 with a mobo.
What is better
IP35-e
Intel DG33-TL
both cost around 6000-6500 here in Pune.
With so much hype surrounding IP35-E is it that good ?;-)

[nish_higher]

^ do u own a gfx card or plan to buy one?
IP35 is certainly better. it does not have onboard gfx

[axxo]

i dont want either mobo's . just replying to the other guy's query. personally , i dont like the xfx 630i coz of its lack for dual channel support. . .

mate....you wont get xfs 650i/630i based chipset mobos...you may get this one..i think i have seen this @ delta peripherals.

http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2689

Also they may not understand if you ask for 630i chipset..mention that you want to buy nvidia 7150/7050 onboard video mobo...
Note 7050 comes with 610i chipset

....was about to quote this guy sivarap (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=23625) ...both id starts with s so quoted wrongly..
& yes anyday you cant compare budget mobo with performance mobo..around 3K you are getting what you should get for that price tag..

[blacklight]

hi, i'm looking for a cheap VFM upgrade for my friend,
his typical usage would be browsing,MS office applications and the new config should be able to run vista (future proof ) .
i would suggest the following config
proccy:C2D E4500
m/b :XFX 630i 7150
RAM :2 GB X 1 (Since m/b does not support dual channel )
HDD: Seagate 160 GB SATA
Monitor :Samsung 15" TFT
Rest of the components will be salvaged from existing setup
your comments on this please :)

[sagardani]

1.gfx card= hdmi out-either via a dongle or the port available on some Ati cards
monitor=DVI / HDMI input (not every monitor though)

2.no dongle does not afect quality.
3.it wont cost much.around 200


Thanks... Can you suggest some best possible gfx card around 5k for HD movies purpose ?

What about Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 3650 ? I guess its around 5000.../ Seems having great features.... Specially want for HD purpose but having medium features and good value for money... (sometimes I play games, though not much)

BTW nVidia or ATI... Which is better and having good vfm ?

[sivarap]

mate....you wont get xfs 650i/630i based chipset mobos...you may get this one..i think i have seen this @ delta peripherals.

http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Mo...ProductID=2689 (http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2689)

Also they may not understand if you ask for 630i chipset..mention that you want to buy nvidia 7150/7050 onboard video mobo...
Note 7050 comes with 610i chipset

Seems good to me....as good as xfs one..... but no dual channel again rite? any more comments guys?

is there a dealer for XFX 630i in bangalore?

[nish_higher]

Thanks... Can you suggest some best possible gfx card around 5k for HD movies purpose ?

What about Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 3650 ? I guess its around 5000.../ Seems having great features.... Specially want for HD purpose but having medium features and good value for money... (sometimes I play games, though not much)

BTW nVidia or ATI... Which is better and having good vfm ?

well for that purpose and all i'd suggest ATI 3650 and yea it performs good.

[gxsaurav]

What about Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 3650 ? I guess its around 5000.../ Seems having great features.... Specially want for HD purpose but having medium features and good value for money... (sometimes I play games, though not much)

I am using Sapphire Radeon HD 3650 right now in my system. It works flawless, I sometimes get jerks in UT 3 which I was able to fix by manually editing the UTengine.ini but other then that...for light gaming purpose this gfx card rox & is very cool in temperature.

BTW nVidia or ATI... Which is better and having good vfm ?

Right now, ATI.

[sagardani]

well for that purpose and all i'd suggest ATI 3650 and yea it performs good.

I am using Sapphire Radeon HD 3650 right now in my system. It works flawless, I sometimes get jerks in UT 3 which I was able to fix by manually editing the UTengine.ini but other then that...for light gaming purpose this gfx card rox & is very cool in temperature.



Right now, ATI.

Thanks buddies...

Hey gx_saurav, I hardly play games... Right now I want to watch HD films.. Just for that purpose and mobo doesn't come up with DvI out thats why I want gfx card... So I think this card will be more than best considering my needs and budget... BTW how much did you pay for it ? (Don't mind:rolleyes: , just want to know latest price)

[gxsaurav]

I paid Rs 5,000 for it. Aditya Infotech is the distributer & I got a replacement warrenty of 3 years.

Trust me, if you are more into general computing then this card will hold for next 4 years easily. My old FX 5900XT was able to stay with me for 4 years, even running Vista fine, then I sold it.

[sivarap]

Where do you get xfx 630i in bangalore? RSVP

[sagardani]

I paid Rs 5,000 for it. Aditya Infotech is the distributer & I got a replacement warrenty of 3 years.

Trust me, if you are more into general computing then this card will hold for next 4 years easily. My old FX 5900XT was able to stay with me for 4 years, even running Vista fine, then I sold it.

Rs. 5000/- is great value for money man... I just want to use for HD movies. Not much game and graphics applications right now...

Just have a childish doubt:D... SLI is a brand name for a multi-GPU solution developed by Nvidia right ? So can two Ati Radeon cards be connected ?

[gxsaurav]

Yup, ATI's method is called CrossFire. This sapphire card i m using is Crossfire capable.

[nish_higher]

but he is considering buying a P7N sli or a P5N32E SLi..none supports crossfire :|

[sagardani]

Ohh got it nish_higher you cleared it. Im not keeping this card forever. Im gonna buy GeForce 8 or higher series mid next year or so (till then 9 will be available I guess).. So for about next 1 to 1.5 years Im gonna keep ATi card..

[nish_higher]

IP35 Pro / P5K-C
don't consider crossfire board if u r sure to dump that card later.
if not, its better to get P5K-c with a cheap DDR2 ram (value series) and later DDR3 when prices fall

[shahhardik27]

hi guys..i m planning to buy a new laptop. my range is 30k-37.5k.....my aim is playing sports games like fifa07-08,cricket 07-08,nfs mw-carbon...etc...n i also going to use little bit related to education....so plz suggest me any new laptop.......hoping 4 ur reply....

[sagardani]

@ nish_higher (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=14210) and gx_saurav (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=21951)

Hi HD 3650 is no doubt great card at its price. But I've came across another budget product from Ati- HD 3450 and HD 3470. I'll make a small comparison in 3650 and 3470.

Product- HD 3470 vs Hd 3650

Core- RV620 vs RV635

No. of transistors- 181 million vs 378 million

Stram Processing Units- 40 vs 120

Memory interface- 64-bit DDR2/GDDR3 vs 128-bit DDR2/GDDR3/GDDR4

Because of this, using 3650 instead of 3470 will make difference in quality of high definition video ?

As I said, Im not much into gaming, thus don't want to spend extra money on unnecessary features of gaming. Just want to see HD movies, thats it ! I think other features of them are almost same. And pricewise (must be around 3-4k) I'll prefer 3470 over 3650. Its not that I don't have budget for 3650, but I don't want to spend extra for features which I may not need because this is my temporary card.

If 3470 is giving same HD video quality as that of 3650 I will certainly go for it..!

Just help me deciding between these two.. :)

[sagargv]

most certainly u can get a 3470 .its good enough for hd. 3650 offers no advantage for viewing HD

[nish_higher]

yes video quality would be the same.
go for 3470

[gxsaurav]

@ nish_higher (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=14210) and gx_saurav (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=21951)

Hi HD 3650 is no doubt great card at its price. But I've came across another budget product from Ati- HD 3450 and HD 3470. I'll make a small comparison in 3650 and 3470.

Product- HD 3470 vs Hd 3650

Core- RV620 vs RV635

No. of transistors- 181 million vs 378 million

Stram Processing Units- 40 vs 120

Memory interface- 64-bit DDR2/GDDR3 vs 128-bit DDR2/GDDR3/GDDR4

Because of this, using 3650 instead of 3470 will make difference in quality of high definition video ?

No difference in quality. If you are buying a dual core CPU either C2D E4500 or Athlon64 4400+ X2 then rest assured u will get best HD experience.

As I said, Im not much into gaming, thus don't want to spend extra money on unnecessary features of gaming. Just want to see HD movies, thats it ! I think other features of them are almost same. And pricewise (must be around 3-4k) I'll prefer 3470 over 3650. Its not that I don't have budget for 3650, but I don't want to spend extra for features which I may not need because this is my temporary card.

Get Radeon HD 3450, enough for you with a good Dual core CPU.

[infra_red_dude]

I'd suggest you also give a look at 8500Gt. I just got one and its perfect for HD. I got BIG 8500GT 256mb 128bit GDDR2 (+50mhz core overclocked over reference 450mhz) for rs. 2,750. The 512mb can be had for about 3.6k. I think nothing beats the cost! You can get XFX brand for about 200 bucks more which is hardware sli capable. The BIG one is only software sli ready.

[dOm1naTOr]

@sagardani (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=9484)
whats ur system config?
if u are about to buy one, then get ny gud onboard gfx mobo like 7050, 7150 or X1250 which has full HD support. it ll dothe job just fine.

ive personally tries 1080p on my X1250 IGP on an X2 4200+ and it plays flawlessly.

[sabret00the]

Need help from choto and rest of you guys. I need you to suggest two completely different configs:

1) For my cousin as I told you earlier. He has finally gave up the idea of trying source matching rams for his system instead wants to do a upgrade. Problem is his father has a budget problem so they want a proc + mobo + atleast 1GB ram within 6-7K but want it to do almost everything almost...they are really banking on me and I dont wanna let down the kid...:grin:

2) This is for my friend for whom budget is not that big a concern...he sent me a sms asking me for the following advice. AMD Phenom v/s Intel Core2Quad...which one I would suggest..infact which model? A suitable mobo to go with the proc. Wants a good budget sound card to which he may connect his amp.

[dOm1naTOr]

@sabret00the (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=15876)
1) X2 4000+ : 2.4k
Asus M2A VM: 3.2k
Asus M2N VM DVI: 3.3k
or MSI K9A GM3: 2.8k
1G DDR2 667: transcent: 0.9k
2G DDR2 667: transcent: 1.7k

M2A VM is a gud option nd has gud oc features too. M2N VM has slighting better IGP, but lacks oc features. Both have DVI.
and also remember that there are no "HDMI" on their model no. as there are one out with HDMI and it costs atleast 800 bucks more.

[gxsaurav]

I'd suggest you also give a look at 8500Gt. I just got one and its perfect for HD. I got BIG 8500GT 256mb 128bit GDDR2 (+50mhz core overclocked over reference 450mhz) for rs. 2,750. The 512mb can be had for about 3.6k. I think nothing beats the cost! You can get XFX brand for about 200 bucks more which is hardware sli capable. The BIG one is only software sli ready.

No need, a Radeon HD 3470/3450 still gives more performance then a 8500GT in games (remember he is a casual gamer) & has more features then 8500GT at same price point.

Radeon HD 3xxx series is a better choice then GeForce 8 & 9 series cards as far as anything non-gaming is concerned. In Mid range...Radeons give better VFM...

[sagargv]

radeon avivo hd for hd playback is superior to nvidia pure vedio hd in vc-1 decoding .. . if u're not into games , hd 3450 is the way to go..better than 8500GT for HD playback only.

[infra_red_dude]

^^^ But he said the radeon's gonna cost 5k, while the 8500gt costs only 2.75k!! Thats why I suggested that.

[gxsaurav]

^^^ But he said the radeon's gonna cost 5k, while the 8500gt costs only 2.75k!! Thats why I suggested that.

5K for Radeon 3650, Radeon 3450 or 3470 are cheap.

But hey, I do agree...if this is your temporary graphics card then get ATI based on board graphics.

[dOm1naTOr]

@gx_saurav (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=21951)
have u done ny benchmarks on the card?
plz post some scores

[keith_j_snyder2]

Its true ATi cards are better than nVidia when it comes to HD contents.
3470 is a better option and besides it is a PCI-E 2.0 and X-fire capable too and DX 10.1 & SM 4.1 and its on 55nm fab so it is also good in overclocking ( if u want)!
U might also get one with HDMI port on it because now days it is common and this card is capable of playing HD contents at 1080p!

So even if u compare it with 8500GT, this would be a better choice!

[sabret00the]

@sabret00the (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=15876)
1) X2 4000+ : 2.4k
Asus M2A VM: 3.2k
Asus M2N VM DVI: 3.3k
or MSI K9A GM3: 2.8k
1G DDR2 667: transcent: 0.9k
2G DDR2 667: transcent: 1.7k

M2A VM is a gud option nd has gud oc features too. M2N VM has slighting better IGP, but lacks oc features. Both have DVI.
and also remember that there are no "HDMI" on their model no. as there are one out with HDMI and it costs atleast 800 bucks more.

Thank you so much buddy for that config...seems like the best bet...however out of the 3 motherboards which one will you suggest if the person concerned is never going to OC and needs better integrated graphics?

Further, can you kindly answer the 2nd part of my query please if possible?

[dOm1naTOr]

@sabret00the (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=15876)
If ne never gonna oc, then Asus M2N VM DVI@3.3k makes more sense. It has nvidia 7050 onboard gfx, and has DVI as well as D sub out. It also supports AM2+ proccys.

2)currently C2Q offers better performance than phenom. But pgenom is lot cheaper. Phenom 9500 is for 8.5k
and Q6600 is for 10k. Q6600 offers very gud performance and 9500 is no match for it.
And bout sound card, get Creative Audigy2 value for 1.9k. Remember, dun get Audigy vlue. It shud be audigy 2 value. If u have 4k+to spend consider Audigy 4 series, or the XFI Extreme music or gamer for around 6~7k.

[CadCrazy]

Guys my friend wanna buy PC for 3D Design & Casual Gaming. I'am out of touch from hardware for quite some time.

Budget: Around 40000/-
He got following quote from Comp Empire, Nehru place

Procy: C2D E6750 -------------------------------- 7650/-
Mobo: XFX 650i ------------------------------- 5750/-
Ram: 2 GB Transcend DDR2 667 MHZ ---------- 1800/-
HDD : Seagate 320 GB(16 MB Buffer) ---------- 3950/-
DVD Writer: Liteon Sata 20 X ---------------- 1340/-
GFX: XFX 8400 GS 256 MB --------------------- 2750/-
Monitor: ViewSonic 19" VG 1930 WM ----------- 9850/-
Cabby: Zebronics Antibiotic -------------------- 2000/-
KB+Mouse : Logitech -------------------------- 630/-
Speakers: Creative SBS 370 -------------------- 1090/-
UPS: 600VA ------------------------------------- 1150/-

Total --------------------------------------------- 37960/-

I know this is not the latest one. Please post your valuable comments

[sagardani]

most certainly u can get a 3470 .its good enough for hd. 3650 offers no advantage for viewing HD

yes video quality would be the same.
go for 3470

I thank all of you :).

No difference in quality. If you are buying a dual core CPU either C2D E4500 or Athlon64 4400+ X2 then rest assured u will get best HD experience.



Get Radeon HD 3450, enough for you with a good Dual core CPU.

Dude Im going for Q6600...

I'd suggest you also give a look at 8500Gt. I just got one and its perfect for HD. I got BIG 8500GT 256mb 128bit GDDR2 (+50mhz core overclocked over reference 450mhz) for rs. 2,750. The 512mb can be had for about 3.6k. I think nothing beats the cost! You can get XFX brand for about 200 bucks more which is hardware sli capable. The BIG one is only software sli ready.

Dude later (say after 1-1.5 yrs) Im going to buy high-end gfx probably from nVidia fully for sfx purpose. Right now I just want my TFT monitor to work for HD movies only.

@sagardani (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=9484)
whats ur system config?
if u are about to buy one, then get ny gud onboard gfx mobo like 7050, 7150 or X1250 which has full HD support. it ll dothe job just fine.

ive personally tries 1080p on my X1250 IGP on an X2 4200+ and it plays flawlessly.

Well right now I've P4, 845 chipset, 512mb ddr @333mhz and blah blah... Im upgading my pc. Im thinking of MSI P7N SLI Platinum, suits my budget (around 10k) and needs. Has SLI, dual channel, PCE-e x16 2.0, etc.


radeon avivo hd for hd playback is superior to nvidia pure vedio hd in vc-1 decoding .. . if u're not into games , hd 3450 is the way to go..better than 8500GT for HD playback only.

5K for Radeon 3650, Radeon 3450 or 3470 are cheap.

But hey, I do agree...if this is your temporary graphics card then get ATI based on board graphics.

Its true ATi cards are better than nVidia when it comes to HD contents.
3470 is a better option and besides it is a PCI-E 2.0 and X-fire capable too and DX 10.1 & SM 4.1 and its on 55nm fab so it is also good in overclocking ( if u want)!
U might also get one with HDMI port on it because now days it is common and this card is capable of playing HD contents at 1080p!

So even if u compare it with 8500GT, this would be a better choice!

YEa and 3470 is better choice over 3450... And its my temporary card so 3470 gives pretty ok cost + nice features = great vfm.

Thanks folks for your help...:p

[juggler]

^^^ change u mobo to IP35 E which should be in the same price range.

[infra_red_dude]

Procy: C2D E6750 -------------------------------- 7650/-
Mobo: XFX 650i ------------------------------- 5750/-
Ram: 2 GB Transcend DDR2 667 MHZ ---------- 1800/-
HDD : Seagate 320 GB(16 MB Buffer) ---------- 3950/-
DVD Writer: Liteon Sata 20 X ---------------- 1340/-
GFX: XFX 8400 GS 256 MB --------------------- 2750/-
Monitor: ViewSonic 19" VG 1930 WM ----------- 9850/-
Cabby: Zebronics Antibiotic -------------------- 2000/-
KB+Mouse : Logitech -------------------------- 630/-
Speakers: Creative SBS 370 -------------------- 1090/-
UPS: 600VA ------------------------------------- 1150/-

Total --------------------------------------------- 37960/-

I know this is not the latest one. Please post your valuable comments

I got few components in the past week. I'll list them here. The prices you posted are definitely on the higher side.

C2D E8200 for 7.3k
RAM 1GB x 2 DDR2 800 = 1.95k
Samsung SATA 20x DVD RW = 1.15k
BIG Geforce 8500GT 256MB DDR2 PCI-E = 2.75k
Viewsonic 1926w = 8.6k

Does he need sli support? If so then 680i mobo, if not then I'd suggest Abit IP35-E mobo.

[nish_higher]

Guys my friend wanna buy PC for 3D Design & Casual Gaming. I'am out of touch from hardware for quite some time.

Budget: Around 40000/-
He got following quote from Comp Empire, Nehru place

Procy: C2D E6750 -------------------------------- 7650/-
Mobo: XFX 650i ------------------------------- 5750/-
Ram: 2 GB Transcend DDR2 667 MHZ ---------- 1800/-
HDD : Seagate 320 GB(16 MB Buffer) ---------- 3950/-
DVD Writer: Liteon Sata 20 X ---------------- 1340/-
GFX: XFX 8400 GS 256 MB --------------------- 2750/-
Monitor: ViewSonic 19" VG 1930 WM ----------- 9850/-
Cabby: Zebronics Antibiotic -------------------- 2000/-
KB+Mouse : Logitech -------------------------- 630/-
Speakers: Creative SBS 370 -------------------- 1090/-
UPS: 600VA ------------------------------------- 1150/-

Total --------------------------------------------- 37960/-

I know this is not the latest one. Please post your valuable comments
things to change-
1.IP35E instead of 650i
2.ati 3650 instead of 8400GS
3.A samsung SATA writer instead of liteon
so total cost after this change is ~39k
this would be a good config for 3D + some gaming.

[CadCrazy]

I got few components in the past week. I'll list them here. The prices you posted are definitely on the higher side.

C2D E8200 for 7.3k
RAM 1GB x 2 DDR2 800 = 1.95k
Samsung SATA 20x DVD RW = 1.15k
BIG Geforce 8500GT 256MB DDR2 PCI-E = 2.75k
Viewsonic 1926w = 8.6k

Does he need sli support? If so then 680i mobo, if not then I'd suggest Abit IP35-E mobo.

No SLI. So he should go for Abit IP35-E.What if it is not available in stock. Any alternate plz. And why everyone is suggesting Samsung DVD writer over Lite-on. Is this just because of price.Again is 1926 better than 1930 WM ?

things to change-
1.IP35E instead of 650i
2.ati 3650 instead of 8400GS
3.A samsung SATA writer instead of liteon
so total cost after this change is ~39k
this would be a good config for 3D + some gaming.

How much ati 3650 costs. And suggest brand also

[infra_red_dude]

No SLI. So he should go for Abit IP35-E.What if it is not available in stock. Any alternate plz. And why everyone is suggesting Samsung DVD writer over Lite-on. Is this just because of price.Again is 1926 better than 1930 WM ?
If not IP35-E then mebbe the same P35 chipset based mobo from ASUS or gigabyte.

I dunno if 1926w is better thatn 1930, I just quoted the price of the TFT I bought. I know its a bit costly, but I cudn't 1912wb anywhere in the market! 1912wb is a good tft.

Samsung drives sh-203b/d are better than lite-ons, imo. I've seen most of the new lite-ons drives fail in just around 5 months.

[CadCrazy]

Do you have anything to say abt Ati 3650.

[sabret00the]

@sabret00the (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=15876)
If ne never gonna oc, then Asus M2N VM DVI@3.3k makes more sense. It has nvidia 7050 onboard gfx, and has DVI as well as D sub out. It also supports AM2+ proccys.

2)currently C2Q offers better performance than phenom. But pgenom is lot cheaper. Phenom 9500 is for 8.5k
and Q6600 is for 10k. Q6600 offers very gud performance and 9500 is no match for it.
And bout sound card, get Creative Audigy2 value for 1.9k. Remember, dun get Audigy vlue. It shud be audigy 2 value. If u have 4k+to spend consider Audigy 4 series, or the XFI Extreme music or gamer for around 6~7k.

Thanks a lot once again...kindly suggest a good motherboard for Q6600 - again the person who shall buy it will not OC it but wants a good bang for the buck with a budget of 5-9K for the mobo...

[nish_higher]

Do you have anything to say abt Ati 3650.

a thread on that-
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81885
good VFM , good for 3d work

[sagardani]

^^^ change u mobo to IP35 E which should be in the same price range.

May I know the reason, friend ?

[sagargv]

performance , OCability . wat more ?

[nish_higher]

May I know the reason, friend ?

it wasnt for u :grin: ..!
it was for the 650i guy.u stick to that P7N..;)

How much ati 3650 costs. And suggest brand also

it costs ~5k
if IP35-E is not available either place an order or get Intel DG33FB for 4750 or MSI P35 NEO-F for 5800

[sagardani]

it wasnt for u ..!
it was for the 650i guy.u stick to that P7N..

Ohh because the arrow by juggler point towards me:D and also sagargv seem replied to me... Thats why I thought..:cool:

[ajayashish]

Can someone tell me how is XFX 780i board...

[sagardani]

^^^ Give a read to post #2761


And just have a funny doubt about P7N Platinum- its written on product overview page under MSI Reminds you...

2. SLI Technology only supports 32-bit and 64-bit Windows XP

Just want to clarify my doubt, it also supports Vista naa ?:confused:

[janitha]

^^^ Give a read to post #2761


And just have a funny doubt about P7N Platinum- its written on product overview page under MSI Reminds you...

2. SLI Technology only supports 32-bit and 64-bit Windows XP

Just want to clarify my doubt, it also supports Vista naa ?:confused:

Vista is also from MS and available in 32 bit and 64 bit!

[nish_higher]

^ thats written with every MSI's board which used to make sense when there were no Sli drivers for Vista.
its even written with the 780i board ..! :)

ie..yes u can run sli with vista

Can someone tell me how is XFX 780i board...

thats a waste of money even if the board performs good--750i gives the same performance-if u dont want 3 cards.i think i posted a benchmark too from Overclock3d

[keith_j_snyder2]

790i is what nVidia is all about the high-end board!
If u can afford 780i then i guess 790i shouldn't be a problem!

[nish_higher]

yea but i think its still not benchmarked so we dont know how it compares to x48
though buying that board for a high end Sli would make more sense than 780i .otherwise reviews are required

[kanu2k7]

Hi!!!!
well I am planning for some major upgrade with limited BUDGET, I am planning to upgrade my Intel 865 MB to a Intel 945 MB and an XFX Geforce 8600GT 256 MB Graphic card and an 160 GB Harddisk.

Need your comment am I upgrading right and Oh I have a budget of only 12000 bucks :sad:.

I have a Pentium 4 3.2Ghz processor and 1 GB DDR RAM.

Do I have to buy a DDR2 RAM for the 945 chipset MB or a DDR RAM can do?

Also want to know about the G Series of Motherboards like G31,G33,etc does it have anything extra I should really go for. But watch the budget also.

My main purpose is for gaming and entertainment.

Need your help in deciding !!!!!
THANKS

[keith_j_snyder2]

yea but i think its still not benchmarked so we dont know how it compares to x48
though buying that board for a high end Sli would make more sense than 780i .otherwise reviews are required

Here's (http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-4342-view-NForce-790i-Ultra-SLI-overclocking.html) a sneak preview of the board. Since the board is nowhere pictures, but as the site is saying, it does pretty overclocking

[ajayashish]

790i is all about DDR3 ram which will be a pain in the pockets... i need the machine now so was eyeing XFX 780i board... i will be taking Q6600 and am not a hard core overclocker... please suggest me something which i can buy tomorrow....

also tell me if i should for for one 512 8800GTS or 512 8800GTX or 2 SLI 8800GT ... i need a card from Geforce only so no ATI recommendation...

i will but the machine tomorrow so please suggest me

[dOm1naTOr]

@ajayashish (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=21299)
8800GTS 1GB is very gud, though most games require to run at resolutions higher than 1600*1200 to use that whole lotta memory But at higher resolutions its a clear winner and is way better than 512 MB ones.

which is ur monitor?

[ajayashish]

i have a 17" TFT for now but thinking of getting a 22" dell monitor within 2months... what will be the cost of 1GB GTS... i want to stay within 20-22k for graphics options... and if it is SLI can add a bit to that also

[nish_higher]

Here's (http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-4342-view-NForce-790i-Ultra-SLI-overclocking.html) a sneak preview of the board. Since the board is nowhere pictures, but as the site is saying, it does pretty overclocking
i found it now--
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=728

as i expected - same old story ..! :p




In some cases when testing SLI we saw 20% and higher performance gains, which is very impressive. This leads us to believe that Triple-SLI would be much faster when using the nForce 790i Ultra SLI chipset opposed to the nForce 780i SLI. Of course most of you are not going to be all that interested in Triple-SLI performance. Furthermore, those that invested in the nForce 780i SLI platform to use this incredibly high-end feature should have no issue forking out the extra cash for a shiny new nForce 790i Ultra SLI and the DDR3 memory to go with it. Overall we have been impressed with the new nForce 790i Ultra SLI chipset as it is everything the nForce 780i SLI should have been. That said, we have also found the ASUS Striker II Extreme to be a highly impressive product that offers rock solid performance and stability. Although the ASUS P5N-T Deluxe is still a very good motherboard, we always suspected that it was just filling the void till the nForce 790i Ultra SLI came along, and this is now clearly the case.

[digitraju]

Presently I have Intel 946GZIS mobo, Intel C2D E-6300@1.86 GHz, 2 GB DDR2 RAM@667MHz and ATI Radeon R700 graphics card with 21" Samsung SyncMaster 1200NF; running WinXP Home Edition.

I want to play games at 1600X1200 with good effects. Also extensively Photoshop and some video editing.

My graphics card is very slow. Will upgrading just the graphics solve my problem? Don't want SLI. Which card to buy? Should be easily available.

Going for P35 chipset based Asus mobo plus C2D E 6700/6750. How much performance gain can be expected? At what cost?

4 GB RAM Vs 2 GB. Is it worth it?


Please help.

[keith_j_snyder2]

Presently I have Intel 946GZIS mobo, Intel C2D E-6300@1.86 GHz, 2 GB DDR2 RAM@667MHz and ATI Radeon R700 graphics card with 21" Samsung SyncMaster 1200NF; running WinXP Home Edition.

I want to play games at 1600X1200 with good effects. Also extensively Photoshop and some video editing.

My graphics card is very slow. Will upgrading just the graphics solve my problem? Don't want SLI. Which card to buy? Should be easily available.

Going for P35 chipset based Asus mobo plus C2D E 6700/6750. How much performance gain can be expected? At what cost?

4 GB RAM Vs 2 GB. Is it worth it?


Please help.

Well change that motherboard of yours if u want a graphics card and u don't need to change your processor because ur motherboard is bottlenecking ur processor's performance.

ABit IP-35-E and 9600GT or 8800GT and overclock your processor!
It would be easy for us to suggest u something if u can tell something on your "CASH HOLD".

4GB always an advantage but go for 800MHz sticks instead of buying 667Mhz.

i found it now--
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=728

as i expected - same old story ..! :p

Yeah! But the one i gave u say they have reached the chipset to 615MHz now thats impressive!

[anandk]

Hey Saurav, why have you changed your user title to Bye Bye ?? Little Devil sounded much better ! :confused:

[digitraju]

Thanks Keith

I do not have a cash hold limit so to say, but I want a solution with least spending. How much the ABit IP-35-E motherboard will cost? And the graphics cards? I am okay with anything below 10K for each of them. The less the better.

[keith_j_snyder2]

Thanks Keith

I do not have a cash hold limit so to say, but I want a solution with least spending. How much the ABit IP-35-E motherboard will cost? And the graphics cards? I am okay with anything below 10K for each of them. The less the better.


IP-35-E costs almost 5.5K
9600GT@ 10K
8800GT@12K

8800GT give better performance than 9600GT so its all upto u that if u can shell out 2K more but trust me that 'll be worth spending!

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

hii guys !
I wanted to buy a PC for 25k !!

If things go right i might get it in 2-3 Weeks !!! I have been pushing it since an year :( hope this time i get it !

please suggest a good PC, and Am not into gaming !

[nish_higher]

^ whole PC or just the core components?

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

whole PC yaar !

[nish_higher]

ok..
a Samsung 17" CRT for 4350
WD 160GB hdd for 2200
Abit IP 35-E + E8200 = 5500 + 8000
2 *1gb Kingston DDr2 667 = 1800
Samsung Optical Drive for 1350
8400GS 256mb= 2200 ,assuming u r not into gaming
total=25400

[sivarap]

XFX 630i dealer in bangalore? please reply....

[ankitsagwekar]

i want to upgrade my pc i have 25k in my hand and only buy core components without add-in graphic card i buy graphic card end of year can any body suggest me some good config
main aim to upgrade pc is play game

[Shloeb]

I want to upgrade my pc. Budget 20k
I though of the following components.
So tell me if this configuration is ok? Budget 20k.
Core 2 Duo E2160 Rs.2600/-
Abit IP35-E Rs.5500/-
MSI 9600GT Rs.10000/-
CM Extreme Power 600W Rs.3600/-
2GB DDR2 800Mhz Rs.1800/-

But that goes more than 20k. It becomes Rs.23500/-. I want to stay under 20k. So please tell me on which thing i should compromise so that i don't lose much on the performance. Thanks.

[shivamamin]

Hi,

I just wanted to check with you if there are any issues comming up with the system having the following configurations on an I-ball Baby 306 cabinet. Acctually the dealer at Lamington Road (MUMBAI) told me that the system will hang if a configuartion like the one below will be put into the I-Ball baby 306 because it is too small for such a high power system. Please check the config. and let me know. Thanks in adv.

Intel Original MOtherboard DG31PR
Intel Core 2 Duo 2.2 GHz
Transend 1 GB DDR2 677 MHz RAM
Lite On DVD Writer 20x SATA
Hard Disk Western Digital 160 GB


Pleas let me know if the above config. will hang if used with a BABY 306 I-ball cabinet.

Shivam

This is your final,right?



You should buy this

[gxsaurav]

^^^^ What u r buying is what I originally decided to buy. Change your config to this new one if u r not into overclocking.

Intel Core 2 Duo E4500
Intel DG33FB
2X1 GB DDR2 667 RAM
Samsung SH-203D DVD Writer
Western Digital 250 GB WD2500AAKS harddisk with 16 MB Buffer. (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=298)

If you are into over clocking then simply buy some other good over clocking motherboard & keep the rest same.

[nish_higher]

and abt the hang issue-- no it won if the temperatures are in control..but i'd recommend a ATX mid tower cabinet

i want to upgrade my pc i have 25k in my hand and only buy core components without add-in graphic card i buy graphic card end of year can any body suggest me some good config
main aim to upgrade pc is play game
hmm..do u own any gfx card at present thats PCI-express?

Intel Q6600 for 10500~11000 (depends on the location)
P7N Sli platinum for 9800
2gb kingston ram for 1.8k and a WD 250gb hdd for 3k

with 25k in hand for just core components,dont even think of a dual core proccy !

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

hey nish_higher ! thanks ~! the spec look good !

but i wanted LCD ! can you suggest one if possible intel or a AMD based RIg !

I mostly wanted ViewSonic VX1940m LCD !! Or you got a better cheaper and alternate solution ??

i was thinking of AMD 5200 and an ASUS Mobo for 3-5k and 2gb Ram PC with LCD
i don't think Intel core 2 duo + 2GB RAM + LCD is possible

[nish_higher]

change the processor to E4500 then and go for a samsung\dell LCD.but if i were u i'd rather buy a 2nd hand lcd and keep the config as such.they are cheap.u'd have to invest like a 2k more than that.

[Shloeb]

Can some1 help me????

[nish_higher]

I want to upgrade my pc. Budget 20k
I though of the following components.
So tell me if this configuration is ok? Budget 20k.
Core 2 Duo E2160 Rs.2600/-
Abit IP35-E Rs.5500/-
MSI 9600GT Rs.10000/-
CM Extreme Power 600W Rs.3600/-
2GB DDR2 800Mhz Rs.1800/-

But that goes more than 20k. It becomes Rs.23500/-. I want to stay under 20k. So please tell me on which thing i should compromise so that i don't lose much on the performance. Thanks.
a new CM 600W costs 4000 rupees,not 3.6k.change it to a 500W psu-its sufficient to run this rig
u'll have to compromise on the gfx card

[ankitsagwekar]

hmm..do u own any gfx card at present thats PCI-express?

Intel Q6600 for 10500~11000 (depends on the location)
P7N Sli platinum for 9800
2gb kingston ram for 1.8k and a WD 250gb hdd for 3k

with 25k in hand for just core components,dont even think of a dual core proccy !
i have 6200 agp :(
what about abit p35 mobo with any pci-e card below 3k??
is sli base mobo is good ??

[nish_higher]

that mobo because in future when u buy a new card it will be PCI 2.0 and so your motherboard should be PCI 2.0.that board rocks.
8500GT would cost 3.2k.

[sivarap]

Problem Problem Problem.....Need a motherboard....xfx6300 is not available in bangalore and chennai....what the F should i do now....I've been askin for a dealer in bangalore for the past 3 days and i got no answers....southzone sucks.....

[nish_higher]

^ call them
COMPUTER WAREHOUSE
710, 7thFloor, Barton Centre, M.G.Road
Bangalore-560001

105, 1st Floor,
Barton Centre, M.G.Road,
Bangalore-560001

+91-80-25586233

+91-80-25091050

+91-80-25091051/53

[iMav]

i ned an upgrade and tht too desperately:

quad core - too costly

c2d
abit ep35-e
3x1gb ram
8800gt
250gb wd

costs? and suggestions

also im a big assembled fan no doubt abt it but after buying 2 compaq desktops for office dad wants me to go for a branded 1 most probably dell, does dell give the option of a system without monitor & speakers also i see that only the xps series comes with a 8800gt and the whole machine around it costs a bomb so any suggestions with regards to branded desks

[nish_higher]

what is your budget?
Abit IP 35 E for 5500
3* 1gb kingston ram for 2.6-2.7k
250gb WD HDD for 2850
MSI 8800GT OC for 13k
C2D E8200 for 8k
Samsung\Dell 19" Ws for 10k
Antec Lansing VL 251 for 4.1k

[iMav]

any procy cheaper than that .... i dont want to spend more than 20k (no monitor & speakers) also im gonna buy a 1k mouse (logitech wireless) and a logitech keyboard thats around 1k

[nish_higher]

E4500 for 4.8k
and that motherboard might be out of stock or little costly :|

[iMav]

wat abt branded desks :?:

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

doesn't the AMD 5200+ outperform E4500 !
it pwns 4300 easily though !

[nish_higher]

no it doesnt.a few pages back i replied that for gx_saurav..posted a link too

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

that's kind of sad for AMD ! also for me ! coz i wanted AMD based pc !
yeah can u give the link again ??

now i have to consider the E4500 !
thanks really !
i heard it can over clocked ! can i do it on stock fans ?

[nish_higher]

yes u can. and that board is a great overclocker for that price.u can get good speed with stock fan.

a review of it-
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=1&artpage=2911&articID=629

[iMav]

@nish dude if i take add up the psu and cabinet the config crosses 30k :(

howz 3850 instead of 8800gt and how much of a differnece wud a non-amd board hav

[dOm1naTOr]

@imav
HD 3850 512 is gud but 8800GT outperforms it. But HD 3850 is highly overclockable due to 55nm GPU. Also GPU runs much cooler and require very less power compared to 8800 or 9600.
ANd 3850 is more future proof with DX 10.1 in hand, and has better home entertainment features with HDMI and AVIVO.


and what did u mean by non-amd board?

[sagargv]

8800GT easily beats the 3850 .. even the 9600GT beats 3850 . .i think any of these cards will be satisfied by a CM 600W .

[iMav]

well im gonna go for a c2d so thats why im gonna for a non-amd setup and how much of a factor is it practically on on an ati card

[dOm1naTOr]

@imav
have a look this thread
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78077&page=4
and u shud notice the catalyst version on each review. Earlier catalyst was poor performer, and with newer ones, HD 3850 has greatly improved and as gud as 9600GT.

[infra_red_dude]

I'd been to the market and damn it.. I cudn't get AS5 anywhere :( Got CoolerMaster NanoFusion. Anyone used it? Hafn't yet opened the seal. Any experiences to share, guys?

[iMav]

see the thing is i will be gpoing for 3850 coz:

1. 10.1
2. hdmi
3. cheaper

now is the performance of 8800gt so good tht i overlook the abv :?:

[gxsaurav]

I'd been to the market and damn it.. I cudn't get AS5 anywhere :( Got CoolerMaster NanoFusion. Anyone used it? Hafn't yet opened the seal. Any experiences to share, guys?

They are all almost same yaar, use it...no problems.

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

hey guys over clocking the E4500 means better RAM, Better PSU right ? and also a good fan !!
i saw the over clock to 3.22Ghz from 2.2Ghz ! Sounds Cool to me !

but what about life for that OCed processor ?

am like now very confused ! about E4500 ! or AMD5200 ! Just coz of clock speed !

[dOm1naTOr]

@iMav (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=12027)
HD 3850 512 MSI has fallen to 9k here. The prices in itwares has not been updates yet.
And the cheapest 8800GT MSI is bout 4k more expensive on net price. Though its gud, i dont think its worth 4kmore as 8800GT heats up more, so limited ocing.
And with 8800GT ull need more powerful PSu, atleast a 600w one. But 3850 wud be fine with a gud 450~500w one. SO u can save another 1~1.5k there.

[keith_j_snyder2]

^ One of my friend is using XFX 8800GT Alfa Dog Edition on the same PSU as mine i.e CM Xtreme 430W and by far he isn't feeling any problem, all his games running smooth, even crysis.
But it is necessary like u have already said that the PSU should be 600W atleast.
Mine suggestion is 500W atleast.

[infra_red_dude]

They are all almost same yaar, use it...no problems.
Yeah, hoping so.

hey guys over clocking the E4500 means better RAM, Better PSU right ? and also a good fan !!
i saw the over clock to 3.22Ghz from 2.2Ghz ! Sounds Cool to me !

but what about life for that OCed processor ?

am like now very confused ! about E4500 ! or AMD5200 ! Just coz of clock speed !
Wanna overclock... then Intel ones are the way to go without doubt!!! If you cool the proc. properly then you don't hafta worry about their life.

[sagargv]

isnt 9600GT @ 10k better than 3850 at 9k ?

[nish_higher]

hey guys over clocking the E4500 means better RAM, Better PSU right ? and also a good fan !!
i saw the over clock to 3.22Ghz from 2.2Ghz ! Sounds Cool to me !

but what about life for that OCed processor ?

am like now very confused ! about E4500 ! or AMD5200 ! Just coz of clock speed !
overclocking any proccy means the same be it intel or AMD.with E4500 u can get some good speeds with everything stock.with 5000 black edition u'll need to spend on a cooler,a good mobo,etc which would roughly make the total cost close to E8200 which does 4ghz on stock cooler.

get E4500 , abit ip35pro

life of an OC'ed proccy would not be less than 3yrs atleast.

[MetalheadGautham]

does anyone know when AM3 socket will be out ?

[nish_higher]

@nish dude if i take add up the psu and cabinet the config crosses 30k :(

howz 3850 instead of 8800gt and how much of a differnece wud a non-amd board hav

well one thing first-- Spider platform has improved performance over non-spider AMD platform only but has good VFM.

3850 is a good card but for the price i'd suggest 9600GT.direct x10.1 has no benefit.

The 9600GT performs quite well in this part. The lead is 15% compare to HD 3850. Even we throw away the low Lost planet result, the card still leads 10%. Of course there is not a complete winning, HD 3850 is good at games like Bioshock.

Review-
http://en.expreview.com/2008/02/23/geforce-9600gt-review/?page=10

isnt 9600GT @ 10k better than 3850 at 9k ?


check the reivew . yes 9600GT is better

[ajayashish]

I have finally decided on the components i want to buy...

Q6600
XFX 780i SLI (since P5N-D is not available yet)
2X2gb 800Mhz DDR2 Corsair ( might go for 8 gb as well)
XFX 8800GTS XXX edition
Corsair VX550 PSU
Coolermaster Elite 330

any suggestion guys...

[nish_higher]

XFX 8800GT XXX has heat issues and is overpriced.get 3870X2

[ajayashish]

No... i want to go with Nvidia cards... no ATI pls.

[darklord]

I have finally decided on the components i want to buy...

Q6600
XFX 780i SLI (since P5N-D is not available yet)
2X2gb 800Mhz DDR2 Corsair ( might go for 8 gb as well)
XFX 8800GTS XXX edition
Corsair VX550 PSU
Coolermaster Elite 330

any suggestion guys...

Dont go for the 780i, not a very good chipset.Works very hot,why ? because its the same old 680i anyways.
Q6600 is fine, pair it with,

Abit IP35-E
Abit IP35 Pro
Abit IX38 QuadGT
Asus P5-E
Gigabyte X38-DS5
Asus P5K Deluxe

All are excellent boards.
Everything else looks fine.

[nish_higher]

No... i want to go with Nvidia cards... no ATI pls.


google 8800GT heat issues,later decide the card :cool:

and man 780i does not run hot when cooled properly..northbridge cooler is provided.it heats more than other chipsets in TRI-SLI but heat is not out of control

[darklord]

what do you mean it doesnt heat, its still the same 680i chipset dear.I have owned 680i and i know how hot it gets.I have seen the 780i board and the cooler on the northbridge, its a chunky one and might keep things under control but if i were to spend 15k on a mobo, i would rather buy a Abit/Asus/Gigabyte rather than Nvidia reference boards.
Also since 780i is based on 680i, you can forget about getting good clocks out of it either.
Also SLI does not scale as efficiently as Crossfire does so i would any day prefer X38/X48 based boards which support CF, buy 2 ATI cards cheap and enjoy CF. :)

[nish_higher]

i never said u r wrong bro. Sli is no advantage-but he wants nvidia.i only said that heat is not much that u start pulling ur hair :D , its just more than what intel chipsets run at.
yes if i had 15k in hand i'd buy intel chipset-my DX38 is ordered.i've even suggested him 750i which gives almost same performance as 780i for 6000bucks less.

XFX 8800GT XXX is crap , 3870X2 rocks when choosing between those 2 and that price.

[ajayashish]

see i need a mobo which wikll supoort the new processors from INtel... must have Nvidia support... i am not a overclocker and am taking this machien for gaming and 3D work in MAx and Maya.... 780i supports the new processors... have a Sli system and rest all normal... i was looking for P5N-D which is not available yet with rashi even...

[nish_higher]

780i supports penryns,C2D,C2Q,C2E
if u r not overclocking get a budget Sli motherboard-15k is an overkill if all u want is good Sli.
dont go for P5N-D until there are good customer reviews + good mobo reviews.right now there's none.
get a P7N sli plt or else wait if u can-it will be better

Also u r spending 12k i think for 4gb ram,isnt it?a 2gb DDR3 would cost the same

[darklord]

I am waiting for 790i to come out, its just a matter of a few days.Problem is its DDR3 but that is a very nice chipset, i will be getting that for my SLI benching, maybe you can wait for it, its a brand new chipset, runs very cool and clocks insanely and performs very well too.
Or else, Buy Abit IP35-E, cheap board but rock solid, you can get 8800GT or GTS or whatever you want and use it with it.
If you dont plan to do SLI, dont waste your hard earned money on shitty 780i.

[ajayashish]

i am getting 4gb in 7k... and i need that high ram for my MAX work as it is RAM HUNGRY... so which mobo will u suggest...

well i am not planning for SLI now but can do that after sometime... so i want my options open...

also DDR3 is a problem for me as thay are costly and even 4gb ddr3 will cost 12k

[nish_higher]

P7N sli platinum for Sli or eyes closed IP35Pro - if u can live with a single nvidia card.

[darklord]

Abit IP35-E will even support 8GB RAM dear and seriously, with that board you cant go wrong, its for just 5.5k
you save whole 10k !
Also i am not sure but do these professional graphics apps support SLI ? do they ?

[Shloeb]

a new CM 600W costs 4000 rupees,not 3.6k.change it to a 500W psu-its sufficient to run this rig
u'll have to compromise on the gfx card
The cm extreme power retails at 3.6k on www.theitwares.com Check there. Please suggest me the ram,mobo,graphics card + psu. Budget 20000. Plzzzzzzz:(

[ajayashish]

Abit IP35-E will even support 8GB RAM dear and seriously, with that board you cant go wrong, its for just 5.5k
you save whole 10k !
Also i am not sure but do these professional graphics apps support SLI ? do they ?

Sli is needed for Games... in future... i can even go for 2 8800gt if it is better than 8800GTS... and the most important thing is the new procesors support...

[darklord]

The cm extreme power retails at 3.6k on www.theitwares.com Check there. Please suggest me the ram,mobo,graphics card + psu. Budget 20000. Plzzzzzzz:(

Intel Pentium E2160 ----> ~ 2800/-
Abit IP35-E ------------> ~ 5,500/-
2GB DDR2 667 ----------> ~ 1500/-
Corsair VX450 -----------> ~ 3,600/-
Nvidia 8600GT -----------> ~ 5,000/-

Comes to approx. 18,400/- ;)

[nish_higher]

The cm extreme power retails at 3.6k on www.theitwares.com (http://www.theitwares.com) Check there. Please suggest me the ram,mobo,graphics card + psu. Budget 20000. Plzzzzzzz:(

Core 2 Duo E2160 Rs.2600/-
Abit IP35-E Rs.5500/-
CM Extreme Power 600W Rs.3600/-
2*1GB Kingston DDR2 800Mhz Rs.1800/-
Asus 8600GT for 6k

Total 19500

[darklord]

Sli is needed for Games... in future... i can even go for 2 8800gt if it is better than 8800GTS... and the most important thing is the new procesors support...

Then its your call, i cant say much.
Why not ATI cards buddy ? If you arent aware, the R600 based FireGL cards blow lots of Quadro cards out of the water.

If i were in your place, i would buy -

Intel Q6600
Abit IP35 Pro ( CF support)
4GB DDR2 800 Ram
ATI 3870X2 ( Provided budget permits) or ATI 3850 512MB
IF i go for 3850, i can pick up another 3850 later on and do Crossfire.

[ajayashish]

There are issues regarding ATI and 3D max as my friend is using that... Nvidia is best suited for the 3D purpose... i never challenge that nvidia is better than ATI but u dont want to see tat after i but my motiveis not solved... that is why i am for Nvidia

[darklord]

strange, there are many who have softmodded their 2600XT to FireGL and using it for 3D work happily.

[ajayashish]

dont know much abt that... i want the thing to work with the factory setting as i am not that much technical and dont have muich time to invest on that even

[gxsaurav]

i am getting 4gb in 7k... and i need that high ram for my MAX work as it is RAM HUNGRY... so which mobo will u suggest...

Is that 3ds Max? WHat scenes u work on? Professionally or a student right now?

[ajayashish]

i do work professionally but am still leaning... am more into interiors and exterior and want this machine to help me make walkthroughs///

[gxsaurav]

There are issues regarding ATI and 3D max as my friend is using that

I am also using ATI Radeon 3650 with 3Ds Max 2008, no such problem when running in DirectX 9 mode.

[keith_j_snyder2]

haha...dude whats with the 780i (crap board)!
Just google around and see how pathetic is that board. If u surely wan't to dump some cash in SLI based motherboard then wait for 790i, for a sec. ask urself a questions: Do u really need a Tri-SLI setup?
780i is no different than 680i.
If u really want to stuff some buck then hit on to X38 Quad -GT or IP-35 pro as everyone is suggesting.
But as i can see that u r an nVidia fan then wait for 750i, its worth waiting than later crying what u bought and not getting what u 've paid for!

If still want a SLI board then go for P5N-32E SLI (doesn't sports PCI-E 2.0)

[gxsaurav]

i do work professionally but am still leaning... am more into interiors and exterior and want this machine to help me make walkthroughs///

Then u better buy a ATI card & soft mod to FireGL.

To make walkthrough u need more VRAM so 512 MB is prefered. To render u need a fast CPU so Quad core is prefered. However, u don't need more then 2 GB RAM if U use VRay or Mental ray, just learn to optimise the scene.

[sagardani]

@ajayashish:

Why don't u consider P7N SLI Platinum ? It has all dual channel, PCI-E x16 2.0 and 2-way SLI... Comes around 10k... Im thinking of same. (well if u've more budget, look for higher ones)

By the way- just a question as some folks above seem from 3D & CGI field... Do people really need multi-gpu for animation ? For 3ds max and maya- what about buying a quad core cpu, nvidia quadro and plenty of ram ? I've heard that SLI is mostly used in gaming... Well actually Im going to do video editing mostly and I've selected SLI mobo.. So even Im still not 100% sure whether will I need it or not.... Just share your thoughts and knowledge........:)

[gxsaurav]

By the way- just a question as some folks above seem from 3D & CGI field... Do people really need multi-gpu for animation ?

We need as many CPU & CPU Cores as possible, but no need of SLI or Multi-GPU etc.

For 3ds max and maya- what about buying a quad core cpu, nvidia quadro and plenty of ram ?

That's the best config right now for animation.

Well actually Im going to do video editing mostly and I've selected SLI mobo.. So even Im still not 100% sure whether will I need it or not.... Just share your thoughts and knowledge........:)

Get a fast CPU, ATI Radeon HD 3xxx series based graphics card for GPU assisted encoding etc & 2 GB RAM.

[sagardani]

Get a fast CPU, ATI Radeon HD 3xxx series based graphics card for GPU assisted encoding etc & 2 GB RAM.

But why not nVidia... Well its not that Im fan of it... Why do u suggest Ati over nvidia ? And what will you say- Quadro or FireGL ? and why ?

For combination of editing, special effects and light animation (not heavy modelling, characters but scene backgrounds such as sky, clouds, birds, terrains, ocean, mountains, sun (rays), moon and editing purposes like colour grading)...

What will u suggest Quadro or FireGL and why ?

(Im seriosuly confused, earlier I was underestimating ATi, now I know they are also great)

So here's the point for Hot Debate- FireGL vs Quadro and SLI vs Crossfire

:grin: :rolleyes:

[gxsaurav]

But why not nVidia... Well its not that Im fan of it... Why do u suggest Ati over nvidia ? And what will you say- Quadro or FireGL ? and why ?

In gaming graphics cards right now ATI is giving more features then nVidia & is better Value for money. A Radeon HD 3650 gives double the performance of GeForce 8600GT. It does looses to 8600GTS, considering everything is running at stock speed.

What will u suggest Quadro or FireGL and why ?

Quadro, as nVidia's OpenGL drivers are better then ATI.

In professional cards, I prefer Quadro & among SLI & CrossFire, I prefer none. I find it wastage of money to have multiple high end cards, better buy a XBOX 360 or PS3

[sagardani]

In gaming graphics cards right now ATI is giving more features then nVidia & is better Value for money. A Radeon HD 3650 gives double the performance of GeForce 8600GT. It does looses to 8600GTS, considering everything is running at stock speed.



Quadro, as nVidia's OpenGL drivers are better then ATI.

In professional cards, I prefer Quadro & among SLI & CrossFire, I prefer none. I find it wastage of money to have multiple high end cards, better buy a XBOX 360 or PS3

But u just talked about gaming... In my post #2940 I've expressed my need.. For that what- FireGL or Quadro ? You'll still go with Quadro ?

[ajayashish]

i use Dual core now and get faster render... like in Vray when we render using single core we get one rendering bucket and in dual core we get 2... in quad we will get 4...

so it is always prefered to get a quad core for 3D work... ram is need for its efficiency... my friend in US works on a machine with some multiple quadcores and 8 gb ram...

i am also interested in make a nice machine for rebndering but at the same time for gaming as well.. Nvidia is prefered as i have faced problem with ATI ... rather my friend has.... now the main things is either 2 8800GT or one 8800GTS... and which board... i sorted out 780i which u all are saying dosent worth that...

P5N32-E is no 2.0 PCI-E so no way...
790i has DDR3 so am not going for that...

i need something which has 2.0 pCI-E and DDR2 and must support the new processors...

[hellgate]

780i SLI is the only one which has pci-e 2.0,DDR2 and SLi support.
but if u wanna spens lotsa money then buy Intel Skulltrail.

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

doesn't the abit ip35 pro cost around 10k ?? but my budget is only 25k !
so no way to over clock a E4500 on a 25k budget pc ??

too confusing !

[ajayashish]

i can spend upto max 15k on motherboard nothing more than that...

[sagargv]

In gaming graphics cards right now ATI is giving more features then nVidia & is better Value for money. A Radeon HD 3650 gives double the performance of GeForce 8600GT. It does looses to 8600GTS, considering everything is running at stock speed.


i beg to differ..

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews.php?/gpu_displays/powercolor_hd3650_extreme_pcs_edition/5

radeon is on par with 8600GT. . .and the 8600GT beats the radeon 3650 in one game shown in the link.

and could you please elaborate on the features that radeon 3650 offers over 8600GT ?

i hope i did not misunderstand you . .does 3ds max perform better on radeon 3650 ?is that what you mean by performance twice that of 8600GT.

[hellgate]

@akshay buy a IP35_E.costs 5.9k all incl.

[Pathik]

^^ 5.2k wen i had last seen.
and GX hd3650 is marginally better than the 8600gt. Not doubly better.

[hellgate]

i can spend upto max 15k on motherboard nothing more than that...

then i think u sud compromise on SLI and gte a Intel X38 chipset based mobo.u'll get pci-e2.0,DDR2 and Crossfire support.
IX38-Quad GT costs bout 12.5k

^^ 5.2k wen i had last seen.

u mean 5.2k inclusive of all taxes.
bot it a few days back and it cost me 5.9k incl of all taxes.

[nish_higher]

doesn't the abit ip35 pro cost around 10k ?? but my budget is only 25k !
so no way to over clock a E4500 on a 25k budget pc ??

too confusing !

IP35-E is a good overclocker

780i SLI is the only one which has pci-e 2.0,DDR2 and SLi support.
but if u wanna spens lotsa money then buy Intel Skulltrail.
its just no use. it has no advantage in any field over the new extreme proccy


@ ajay make ur mind for the card first and then decide a board.if its gonna be Sli i'd suggest P7N sli anyday.i'm very impressed with that board since my friend has bought it after i told him abt it and now my P5N32E Sli feels like nothing.
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews.php?/cpu_mainboard/msi_p7n_sli_platinum_750i_based_motherboard/1
Well the MSI P7N Platinum is a great overclocker for a mid range board and possibly the best value SLI solution on the market at this time.

or 790i-which u wont buy
if a single Nvidia card/Ati crossfire - IX38Quad GT or IP35 PRO

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

nish_higher !
thanks ! that's really interesting ! now to wait for money ;) and dad's approval ! also have to think about FANS and cooling

[j1n M@tt]

IP35-E is a good overclocker

its not dat gud for overclocking........even without OC its chipsets heats up so high. abt 80+deg.C on load

.........but according to my personal opinion its a gud budget mobo and can go with moderate overclocking

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

its not dat gud for overclocking........even without OC its chipsets heats up so high. abt 80+deg.C on load

.........but according to my personal opinion its a gud budget mobo and can go with moderate overclocking

that's bad :(

[sagardani]

i can spend upto max 15k on motherboard nothing more than that...

Dude... P7n Sli Platinum is the one you consider. It has Pci-e 2.0 x16, DDR2 and 2-way SLI.

Btw do you really need SLI for 3ds max ?

[nish_higher]

its not dat gud for overclocking........even without OC its chipsets heats up so high. abt 80+deg.C on load

.........but according to my personal opinion its a gud budget mobo and can go with moderate overclocking
what i mean is its a good overclocker for 5k ,better than any other board in this category.
board does not heat that much-not a single abit board afaik.maybe the board u own has some trouble

check product reviews first.

A link from a guy's profile on erodov - see the overclocking
INTEL E2140 @ 3Ghz -1.36v TRU
ABIT IP35 Dark Raider
TRANSCEND AXE 2x1GB@1000 4-4-4-10 2.3v
CM Xtreme 600W SilentX
OPTIARC :AD-7173S
ANTEC :1088AMG NashModd

[j1n M@tt]

@akshay

hey don't be dat afraid of IP35-E.........its a gud mobo, I like it a lot, and trust me, it wont make u regret after u buy it.

Its the nature of P35 chipsets to heat much......its not dat Abit is bad.....they provide u a P35 chipset on a budget mobo when other makers like MSI,Asus,Gigabyte sells P35 mobos only above 10k+ prices. Actually if P35 chipsets hav to be cool, then they need Copper pipes as in 10k+ mobos.....or u will hav to be making ur on cooling solutions.....and these r only needed if u r going for extreme OCing

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

oh ok ! cool !!

hope the onboard gfx is good for vista and compiz fusion on linux ! LOL and in INDIA temperature in summer reaches 40* C !! certainly affects the overclock

[nish_higher]

there's no onboard graphics chip on IP35 E !
thats why i mentioned 8400GS for u to buy

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

hey this is how it is

2 gb ram 2k
160 gb hdd - 2k
ups - 1.5
dvd + key+ mice - 2k
tft viewsonic - 10k (wanted VX1940 or VX1945)

remains 7k for procy and mobo !!
else things go up to 30k ! which parents won't like at all !

hv to wait ! and try for increase in budget ! else go the AMD way !
5000 or 5200 with ASUS M2N MX mobo which fits 8k for mobo and procy !

[nish_higher]

Black edition does not come with a cooler and u'd have to spend around 2k to get some juice out of it.
buy IP35E , get E2160

[j1n M@tt]

^^ but IP35-Pro is 9.5k

[nish_higher]

oh sorry , IP35 E :D

[infra_red_dude]

oh ok ! cool !!

hope the onboard gfx is good for vista and compiz fusion on linux ! LOL and in INDIA temperature in summer reaches 40* C !! certainly affects the overclock
P35 chipset does NOT haf IGP. You would need to buy the G series of the same chipset (G31/G33/G35 etc.). If you want onboard video with good compiz fusion support then nVidia IGPs are your best bet.

[Shloeb]

Core 2 Duo E2160 Rs.2600/-
Abit IP35-E Rs.5500/-
CM Extreme Power 600W Rs.3600/-
2*1GB Kingston DDR2 800Mhz Rs.1800/-
Asus 8600GT for 6k

Total 19500
I am in a real dilemma now. I wanted a better graphics card. But it will be a bottleneck for proccy. I will need to upgrade the proccy too. WTF?? Can't i get this config. Will this perform better?
3.0 ghz p4 ht
2gb ddr2 800
abit ip35-e
msi 9600gt oc
cm extreme power 600W

[ajayashish]

Dude... P7n Sli Platinum is the one you consider. It has Pci-e 2.0 x16, DDR2 and 2-way SLI.

Btw do you really need SLI for 3ds max ?

No i just wanted SLI for future upgrade... see i am investing so much money so i will definately like it to be futuristic.... now does this P7N SLI supports the new processors and how is its performace...

also what abt the graphic card... should i go for 2 8800gt or one 8800GTS XXX edition both 512MB...

Do u people thing P7N SLI is a worthy board as i just read it has 1 PCI-E working at 16X and the other at 8X

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

infra !
i too had the doubt that intel onboard sucks compared to nVidia !

[sagargv]

@shl