Basic Guide Purchase a New System

[vivekbabbudelhi]

depends upon ur intentions & configuration.It would be better if u post ur rig specs..
Thinking of this..
AMD Athlon64 X2 4000+ or 4400+
ASUS - M2N VM DVI (7100 - 630a)/
2*512MB 667 now and 2*1GB 800FSB latter (to make it 3Gb dual channel)
HDD->160GB * 2 or 320GB SCSI
DVDRW-> Liteon/Moser Sata 20x
Cabinet -> Navtech (http://navtech.org/562.html) with good powersupply
Neon Light & UV cables
..
Already Have these-
Microsoft Wireless Desktop Elite
ViewSonic 17" Widescreen
APC 650 VA
..
and will be adding 8800GT or 8600GTS DDR3 after 3 months or so.

But I want a good board .. this board is a basic one .. but at the same time dont find any flaw in it .. what u suggest. what is the good board as per your thoughts.
is there any board with 2LANS n wifi-

regards

@rollcage i think now this is a better place:D

for amd based rig
AMD Athlon64 X2 4400+
ASUS - M2N VM DVI (7100 - 630a)/M2A VM
2*1GB 800FSB kingston value cl5(no need of 3 gb & its better to have same frequency modules in both memory banks to have optimal performance)
HDD->250gb sata2
DVDRW-> SONY NEC 20X sata
Cabinet -> Navtech (http://navtech.org/562.html) with good powersupply

as for psu if u plan on adding a 8800GT then don't look below corsair VX 450w (http://www.corsair.com/products/vx.aspx), this psu easily out performs coolermaster 600w (http://www.coolermaster.com/products/product.php?act=detail&id=51) & seventeam 500w psu.now reason for this is corsair vx450w has efficiency of 85% at 50 degree whereas cm 600w has 70% at 50 degree.


i would suggest better think of this
pentium dual core E2160
abit IP-35E
patriot 2x1 gb 2.2v 4-4-4-12 800mhz

now oc this procc. & it would outperform any amd x2 based system:D

[keith_j_snyder2]

^^ Thats true and if in future you want to upgrade then buy a Penryn after few months when INTEL go for another price slash!

[janitha]

@vivekbabdudelhi
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"now reason for this is corsair vx450w has efficiency of 85% at 50 degree whereas cm 600w has 70% at 50 degree."

I think you meant @ 50% load instead of 50 degree since the Corsair site shows 85% efficiency @ 50% load and also the efficiency isusually specified @ 25 degree C.

Further 85% efficiency for Corsair450 means 382.5W and 70% for CM600 means 420W! So how can the earlier one outperform the latter one as per your logic?

Of course I am not saying that CM is better.

[vivekbabbudelhi]

@vivekbabdudelhi
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"now reason for this is corsair vx450w has efficiency of 85% at 50 degree whereas cm 600w has 70% at 50 degree."

I think you meant @ 50% load instead of 50 degree since the Corsair site shows 85% efficiency @ 50% load and also the efficiency isusually specified @ 25 degree C.

Further 85% efficiency for Corsair450 means 382.5W and 70% for CM600 means 420W! So how can the earlier one outperform the latter one as per your logic?

Of course I am not saying that CM is better.

oh sorry sir, i think i have messed up with my words there:)



The Corsair VX450W power supply supports the latest ATX12V v2.2 standard and is rated for a combined, continuous output power of up to 450 watts at 50°C operating temperature. That’s important as some less reputable manufactures limit their power supply’s advertised capacity by specifying a lower operating temperature (25°C) in the fine print.



sourcehttp://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=438&type=expert&pid=2

[pushkaraj]

@arvind and choto, so m2a-vm is a better performer in games, inspite of m2n-vm having sm 3.0 ....hmmm..... Well, thats what i wanted to know:)

Btw, to which port is an lcd monitor connected. i mean both the m2a-vm m2n-vm hav dvi port but there is one more model: the m2a-vm hdmi. so does connecting an lcd monitor to hdmi port give better picture quality(sorry but m completely noob about those interfaces :grin: )

[saurabh kakkar]

its Core 2 Duo which u are talking about :D and yes it supports the Quads too :D



value for money :)



Be ware :p dont buy XFX 610i :lol: or there is another 7100 version too... only this is good enough :) and this boards is widelly available any where in India :) but in case u dont get, BIOSTAR too have same model from them :) but try to stick to XFX 630i 7150 :p as if some one says its out of market or stock or not in india then ask him to search :p as its really common :)



yup :P full WHQL Logo :)



Thanks buddy thanks for the help Highly admirable :)

[Pathik]

U can connect ur lcd monitor to a dvi port or a vga port. In case either ur gpu/board or monitor wont hav dvi u ll hav to use a converter.

[dOm1naTOr]

@pushkaraj (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=18748)
to use HDMI, u need to have an HDMI input waala TV set which will set u back with at least 60k.
HDMI has not much improvement over DVI in picture quality for displays upto 22LCD monitor or 32"LCD HDTV. But it has digital HQ audio incorporated to same connection and is useful for TV. But why audio signal to monitor?
So stick to DVI as far as u use a monitor - CRT or TFT.

[sagargv]

how is cooler master extreme power 500W ? i asked my vendor for a 600W , he cudnt find it .. so he's brining me a 500W for 3k . will this be enough for the config in my siggy.

but i suppose i'll have to change the smps when i next change my pc.

[janitha]

how is cooler master extreme power 500W ? i asked my vendor for a 600W , he cudnt find it .. so he's brining me a 500W for 3k . will this be enough for the config in my siggy.

but i suppose i'll have to change the smps when i next change my pc.

:confused: No HDD even?;)

[sagargv]

LOL .. ok . .wat more shud i add ?

[ankushkool]

is AOC LCD a better choice 4 gaming??? sud i go 4 widescreen LCD?

[keith_j_snyder2]

how is cooler master extreme power 500W ? i asked my vendor for a 600W , he cudnt find it .. so he's brining me a 500W for 3k . will this be enough for the config in my siggy.

but i suppose i'll have to change the smps when i next change my pc.

For that config, i guess its more than enough! And this SMPS will stay for a long time! My CM 430W is still running hot!

[Choto Cheeta]

got it guys. dvi is something that one must look out for in the mobo :)

only if its an onboard GRFX board :lol: as now days with TFT DVI would offer better performance and picture :)

[pushkaraj]

@pushkaraj (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=18748)
to use HDMI, u need to have an HDMI input waala TV set which will set u back with at least 60k.
HDMI has not much improvement over DVI in picture quality for displays upto 22LCD monitor or 32"LCD HDTV. But it has digital HQ audio incorporated to same connection and is useful for TV. But why audio signal to monitor?
So stick to DVI as far as u use a monitor - CRT or TFT.

U can connect ur lcd monitor to a dvi port or a vga port. In case either ur gpu/board or monitor wont hav dvi u ll hav to use a converter.
Got it guys:p A dvi port is something that one must look out for in the mobo :)

[ankushkool]

is AOC LCD a better choice 4 gaming??? sud i go 4 widescreen LCD?

plez anyone reply :(

[dOm1naTOr]

@ankushkool (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=24652)
Hervick 780 have an AOC 19" TFT. It even supports extreme HD resolution. approach him for the feedback

[ankushkool]

how can i contact Hervick 780... sud i prefer AOC over viewsonic???

[sagargv]

Quote:
Originally Posted by sagargv View Post
how is cooler master extreme power 500W ? i asked my vendor for a 600W , he cudnt find it .. so he's brining me a 500W for 3k . will this be enough for the config in my siggy.

but i suppose i'll have to change the smps when i next change my pc.
For that config, i guess its more than enough! And this SMPS will stay for a long time! My CM 430W is still running hot!

thanks.
^^
the name is harvik780 . i think . . . search buddy , goto advanced search. .

[rollcage]

@vivekbabbudelhi
Ya right place :p

whats the price of Corsair VX 450W? I hope its not too exp :(

not really but which ever u find cheaper :p, as for gaming though on paper SM 3.0 and SM 2.0 :p but on real time both runs game the way :p if one cant run another too cant :lol: I like M2A-VM over M2N-VM as I feel the AMD one is better platform to upgrade on :D which is more suitable for a geforce card

[Choto Cheeta]

which is more suitable for a geforce card

I like M2A-VM more as a platform to build on rather than the M2N-VM :) so its completelly personal choice :) both are good :D i personally vote for M2A-VM :)

[vivekbabbudelhi]

last time i remember corsair VX450 was quoted by a guy in other forum for 3.7k+tax,but personally i haven't checked its price in NP..

[rollcage]

last time i remember corsair VX450 was quoted by a guy in other forum for 3.7k+tax,but personally i haven't checked its price in NP..thats way too high man..

I like M2A-VM more as a platform to build on rather than the M2N-VM :) so its completelly personal choice :) both are good :D i personally vote for M2A-VM :)but why .. dont you think geforce more compatible with nvidia 630a chipset
and 2ndly .. AMD 690G is around for ages .. 630a+7100 is comparatively new chipset

[Choto Cheeta]

thats way too high man..

but why .. dont you think geforce more compatible with nvidia 630a chipset
and 2ndly .. AMD 690G is around for ages .. 630a+7100 is comparatively new chipset

I did again said its personal :lol: I have both running at Cafe :( the 690G seems to me better while OCing the X2 also, X2 seems perforimg better on 690G like on real worl apps such as suppose using Nero Vision Express to burn at 700 MB AVI to DVD or VCD, the 690G with same comfig seems to do it faster than 630a :( same observation with few other apps too... where as on Paper 7100 is better than x1250 :( but then again its just personal thoughts :(

[vivekbabbudelhi]

i seriously don't understand when peeps have money to buy a quad core,8800GT... then why do they shy in spending on a PSU,when PSU is the most important element of them all:neutral:

no offense meant,just my personal thoughts:D

[Choto Cheeta]

i seriously don't understand when peeps have money to buy a quad core,8800GT... then why do they shy in spending on a PSU,when PSU is the most important element of them all:neutral:

no offense meant,just my personal thoughts:D

if buying 8800 then yeah normal psu may not even start :lol: but bro, cheapest 450 watts of Rs. 350/- can drive Q6600 @ 2.8 ghz :lol: with 4 gb ram and 8600 :lol:

[vivekbabbudelhi]

but bro, cheapest 450 watts of Rs. 350/- can drive Q6600 @ 2.8 ghz :lol: with 4 gb ram and 8600 :lol:

i agree
but voltage instability is the major cause of peripheral failure:(

[Choto Cheeta]

i agree
but voltage instability is the major cause of peripheral failure:(

hmm.. yet to run a Core 2 DUo with substnd SMPS for full 3 years but i have the 1st Core 2 system since its been 2 years and still i didnt face any problem !!!

But dont think otherways :) I tooo always advocate for at-least a Zebronics 500 watts when even some one things of OC with Core2 and a grfx card :)

I made my comment just to clear if any doubt u have... as me to support ur comment on buying at-least a branded PSU or 500 watts such as Zwebronics 500 platinum at Rs. 1800/- :)

[ankushkool]

sud i prefer AOC over viewsonic 4 gaming???

[go4saket]

Brought a new system from Calcutta on 12th. Here is the config along with the price list:

Motherboard aBit IP 35-E @ Rs.5500/-
Processor Intel C2Q 6600 2.4 GHz. @ Rs.10550/-
RAM Kingston 2 GB 667 MHz. DDR2 @ Rs.2000/-
HDD Seagate 250GB Sata 16MB Buffer @ Rs.2800/-
GFX Card XFX 8600GT 256MB DDR3 @ Rs.4900/-
Logitech Wireless Keyboard Mouse Combo @ Rs.1100/-
Cabinet IBall Workhorse (without SMPS) @ Rs.1625/-
SMPS Zebronics 500 Watt @ Rs.1800/-
Monitor Viewsonic VX922 19" TFT (4:3) @ Rs.11000/- (From ITwares, Mumbai) (Including Taxes)

All the above rates are excluding 4% VAT.

Note: Thanks a lot to Saurav (Choto Chettah) who helped me in purchasing this system by guiding as well as getting quotations from different shops in Kolkata. Hats off to him...

[juggler]

Congrats , nice config :)

[keith_j_snyder2]

thats way too high man..

but why .. dont you think geforce more compatible with nvidia 630a chipset
and 2ndly .. AMD 690G is around for ages .. 630a+7100 is comparatively new chipset

So true, but u know when u are using an additional graphics card then what chipset, hardly matters.
nVidia 630i chipsets doesn't supports Dual Channel operation where as 690G does!
Although Dual Channel gives a mere boost in performance but its an advantage after all.
Some games gives almost 10-15 FPS more in Dual Channel!

if buying 8800 then yeah normal psu may not even start :lol: but bro, cheapest 450 watts of Rs. 350/- can drive Q6600 @ 2.8 ghz :lol: with 4 gb ram and 8600 :lol:

For sure! But those 450W are not true 450W and also not as much efficient as the branded ones.

I used to have a navtech 450W that came with cabinet but i switched to Cooler Master extreme 430W. Also branded PSU has more Amps. which is good for the hardware.

Compare a local 600W PSU and a CM xtreme 600W PSU. U will also find that they have more sockets i.e SATA,molex! SO that they can give true power to the behemoths!

[j1n M@tt]

^^ I think Zebronics 500W Platinum is d better cheapest solution for a normal gud rig than wasting money for CM PSUs

[Debajyoti]

after buyin my latest DABBA with asus m2a vm and amd 5200+ with 2 gb ram i face one problem after connection with my monitor - samsung syncMaster 794mg
every time i start my computer i got a worning

H?W monitor have some problem .please run del to go into setup or F1 to continue

when i everr i go for setup in h/w Monitor setting their is a 3.3 voltage error which's parameter is 4.4volte and colored red.
their is only one option useing +/- that is ignore.

if i set it to ignore.that worning not comming but their iare some "FOTT!" sound while start in and shut down and also sometime monitor goese completely black for a few swconds..

please help me to resolve this problem !

urgent help needed!.

thanx in advance.

[keith_j_snyder2]

This sound sometimes comes from the HDD. I have a WD Caviar...it does make some noise at shutdown!

[sagargv]

my frend has a budget of 20k to buy proccy , hdd , mobo , gfx card and ram

my suggestion :

c2d - e6550 7k
xfx 630i 3.5k
2 gb ddr2 800 - 2k
galaxy 8600 - 5k
160gb hdd - 2k
local psu - 0.5k

that comes to 20k.
any suggestions ?

[Choto Cheeta]

that comes to 20k.
any suggestions ?

Try to push for ABiT IP35-E which is Rs. 5200/- + TAX or even Galaxy 650i Ultra :) when u are buying a grfx cardn then no mean of 630i as it comes with onboard grfx which is a waste and there are no Dual Channel support on it :(

[keith_j_snyder2]

650i has some heating problems with it!
+10 Abit IP-35-E! Also has good overclocking options!

[s18000rpm]

time has come, to order the stuffs:))

=> CoolerMaster 650W RS-650-ACAA-A1 (http://www.coolermaster.com/products/product.php?language=en&act=detail&tbcate=22&id=2551)

=>NVIDIA, G92 core 8800GS (~$150)

=>Hitachi 350/500GB HDD.

=>Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400 - PC2-6400 - 2GB Kit 5-5-5-18.

should i buy this 2 GB kit, or go for 2x2GB kit (4GB kit) & what about other brands?

=>now suggest Newbie friendly Overclocking m/b.

[dOm1naTOr]

@s18000rpm (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=11737)
hi dude
8800GS is just waste of money.
Its just haf poerful as 8800GT.
In that case MSI HD 3850 256 for 160$ is much much better than that.
And 2G is enuf to keep an 8800GS or 3850 happy.
get a gud latency 2 GB kit. It wud perform better than 2*2G normal 800 as far as u dont play at extreme high resolutions[but those cards cant handle that]
and 3850 can be put to extreme oc. upto 180Mhz improvement on core and 200 Mhz on memory can be achieven nd it surpases 3870 in performance.
And the 512 MB version wud be better and is for some 190$

[s18000rpm]

^cant the 8800gs be oc'd to perform better (than ATi)?

[dOm1naTOr]

8800GS has 65mn GPU and 3850 has 55nm GPU. SO the 55nm can be oced much better.
And in stock speeds also, 3850 beats 8800GS hands down.
And with newer catalyst releases, the performance of HD 3xxx cards are increasing like hell. The performance is limited only coz of driver limitations and no game optimaisations done for ATI.
Theoritically HD 3850 has 320 shader units where even 8800GTX has only 128. But it not optimally used by games due to lack of optimisation, and nvidia seems paying every developers to optimise for nvidia. See the "way its meant to be played" logo on most of 2days game launches?

But ATI is trying to retify the lack of optimisations thru gud drivers, nd they are working gr8. eg:
catalyst 7.11 reviews are the one available whole over net. But with 7.12 things changed gr8ly. But with tha last week release of 8.1, the performance has improved very much.

And also with the HD 3850 cards u get an HDMI connector too and its a DX 10.1 card and has PCIE 2.0 interface which is backward compatiblw with 1.1.
nvidia's DX 10.1 card aka 9600GT is just on its way but as of reviews available, 8800GT is better.

[sagargv]

Try to push for ABiT IP35-E which is Rs. 5200/- + TAX or even Galaxy 650i Ultra :) when u are buying a grfx cardn then no mean of 630i as it comes with onboard grfx which is a waste and there are no Dual Channel support on it :(

ok . thanks . i did think of abit ip35 E but i wonder his budget will allow it .
is it better to buy ip35e+8600 now. . or 630i and get a gfx card later . say 3850 or 9600 when it comes to his budget range ?

[Choto Cheeta]

is it better to buy ip35e+8600 now. . or 630i and get a gfx card later . say 3850 or 9600 when it comes to his budget range ?

Try for IP35-E even if that mean u are forced to buy XFX 8400 GS which is Rs. 2100/- + TAX :)...

630i lacks dual channel support :) when thinkling high end system for performance then try to stay out of it :) the board is only good when some one has no plan for gaming how ever its an inter OC solution for Ripping videos or such :)

[sagargv]

thanks choto . supposing he takes ip35e + 8600 . is a local 450W psu enough ?

my p4 + 8600 wasnt satisfied by local 450W . voltage on 12 volt used to fall while gaming and pc wud turn off many times while gaming.

[Choto Cheeta]

P4 are more power hungry than C2D :lol: anyway iBall 450 wattts does fine with 8600 and E6600 :) so would run fine with ur config too :lol: but do keep an option or thought open for Zebronics Platinum 500 watts which is around Rs. 1500 :), with cabinet it costs Rs. 2200 :)

[sagargv]

i know p4's are power hungry . . . no wonder , the high noise of the fan . .i hope that local smps will be enough for him coz he's already extending his budget .

thanks for the quick reply's choto .
choto , cud u test smps's in 2k-3k range. quite a lot of people say to stay away from zebby pure platinum . some say to go4 VIP , others powersafe and then there is colorsit .. so wats the best smps in that price range .
it will be gr8 if u cud do a review on that.

[vps85]

Hi,

I just bought this config from my local vendor here

Intel core 2 Duo 2.2 Ghz
Intel DG33FB
Kingston 2GB @800Mhz DDR2
Seagate 250GB @7200rpm
Zebronics Cabinet + 450W SMPS
XFX Geforce 8600GT 256MB DDR3
APC 500VA UPS

Total : 25,250 INR

he didnt give me the individual pricing.

and also tell me the performance of this config... will i able to play Doom3/HL2 ? crysis ??

[Pathik]

Pricing is decent. You should have got it in ~23k if you wd have done it yourself. Yep you ll be able to play Crysis @ medium settings no AA/AF.

[keith_j_snyder2]

8800GS should be almost same as 3850pro because 3870 performs same as 8800GT. So 3850pro vs 8800GS shall remain same but all that matter is AA & AF in which nVidia takes it all!
That whats only matters to me!

[ankushkool]

PLEZ HELP!!! i m soo confused!!!

i hav to buy mobo+processor+graphics... my budget is <20000/-

now i decided 2 compromise on mobo+processor 4 a better graphics card... but then thought as i am not a hardcore gamer... i sud be ok with 8600GT.
i still had a serious battle goin on in my head weather 2 go 4 8600gt 7 good mobo+pro... or 2 compromise on it n go 4 8800gt
AND NOW!!! here comes 9600GT??? HELPPPPP

here is what i had shortlisted...

MOBO:
XFX 630i - 7150
XFX n force 650i ultra
Asus P5N-E SLI/P5N32
XFX nvidia 680i LT SLI
MSI P35 Neo/platinum
MSI P6N SLI


PROC:
C2D E4400
C2D E6750
*all other C2D between are discontinued

GRAPHICS CARD:
Asus EN8600GT
XFX 8800GT
and now 9600GT
*anyone thinks i sud go 4 ATI???

PHEW!!!

NOW ppl... i need serious helppppppppppppppppp

[sagargv]

first , dont go4 630i . . its single channel support will cripple u . .u cud wait for a few days to see the 9600GT . i read that its expected to be priced at 9k. .

[dOm1naTOr]

keith_j_snyder2 (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=21252)
the pro, XT, XTX etc are things of past with the HD 3850 nd 3870.
Its just the core name, and nothin else.

[kunaltech]

its Core 2 Duo which u are talking about :D and yes it supports the Quads too :D



value for money :)



Be ware :p dont buy XFX 610i :lol: or there is another 7100 version too... only this is good enough :) and this boards is widelly available any where in India :) but in case u dont get, BIOSTAR too have same model from them :) but try to stick to XFX 630i 7150 :p as if some one says its out of market or stock or not in india then ask him to search :p as its really common :)



yup :P full WHQL Logo :)



AMD X2 4200 @ Rs. 2700 /- + TAX
ASUS M2A-VM @ Rs. 3200 /- + TAX
2 GB DDR-II 667 MHz Kingstone 667 single stick @ Rs. 1875 /- + TAX
160 GB SATA @ Rs. 1975 /- + TAX
DVD RW ASUS / Liteon / LG @ Rs. 1300 /- + TAX
Cabby + 450 watts default @ Rs. 1200 /- + TAX
19" View Sonic 1912wb DVI @ Rs. 8250 /- + TAX
Local Keyboard Mouse @ Rs. 500 /- + TAX
UPS Local Brand @ Rs. 1400 /- + TAX
2.1 Creaitve @ Rs. 1000 /- + TAX


TAX @ 4% VAT Rs. 936 /-
Total Rs. 24336 /-


Thanks a lot we purchase the system according to your configuration with light changes like instead of going for 2 gb ram we went for 1gb * 2 and in place of XFX graphics card we went with other graphic card and instead of view sonic he went for samsung.

Thanks a lot for your help

[Choto Cheeta]

instead of going for 2 gb ram we went for 1gb * 2

fine :)

XFX grafics card he went with other graphic card

exact model number and price please :)

instead of view sonic we went for samsung.

Model number and price please :D

and congrats on the New Config :D

[keith_j_snyder2]

keith_j_snyder2 (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=21252)
the pro, XT, XTX etc are things of past with the HD 3850 nd 3870.
Its just the core name, and nothin else.

ohoh...Sorry My bad!
Actually i saw This and (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121087)this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814241071)
And thought there must be another like this so i went into that!

Also See THIS (http://technewstime.com/hardware-news/9600gt-recalled-9800x2-delayed)

[Debajyoti]

after buyin my latest DABBA with asus m2a vm and amd 5200+ with 2 gb ram i face one problem after connection with my monitor - samsung syncMaster 794mg
every time i start my computer i got a worning

H?W monitor have some problem .please run del to go into setup or F1 to continue

when i everr i go for setup in h/w Monitor setting their is a 3.3 voltage error which's parameter is 4.4volte and colored red.
their is only one option useing +/- that is ignore.

if i set it to ignore.that worning not comming but their iare some "FOTT!" sound while start in and shut down and also sometime monitor goese completely black for a few swconds..

please help me to resolve this problem !

urgent help needed!.

thanx in advance.

please ppl i have this problem with my machine. any kind of help appriciatable.
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused::(

[sagargv]

maybe smps is faulty . try a different smps.

[keith_j_snyder2]

Does your monitor takes power from PSU? or is it directly connected to power plug? (i guess not).

Did u used the same ol' PSU or bought a new one?

[janitha]

Does your monitor takes power from PSU? or is it directly connected to power plug? (i guess not).

Did u used the same ol' PSU or bought a new one?

The monitor can never consume power from the PSU. Monitors need mains power only. In older PSUs there is a mains socket with parallel connection of mains supply but it is least likely to affect PSU performance, though it is better to avoid using it.

[dOm1naTOr]

very correct

[gxsaurav]

Guys, time to upgrade. I m buying for myself a Dell XPS M1530 laptop soon however I also need a new desktop PC for home for family. It need not be uber fast....just a decent, silent, & plug & play computer with cool looks. I will use some components from my existing PC to the new one, so all I need is a CPU, Motherboard, DDR2 RAM.

I have decided these components.

17" Samsung 740NW LCD Monitor (http://www.samsung.com/in/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=informationtechnology&type=monitors&subtype=tftlcdmonitors&model_cd=LS17HANSB/XTP). It's time to retire my good old (7 years old) Samsung CRT monitor. Since looks matter for this new home PC, I am opting for this model, however if there is a better monitor model in the same price segment, plz let me know.

iBall Baby 306 Cabinet (http://iball.co.in/inner/show_product_details2.asp?catid=20&pid=113). It's small & can incorporate a mATX motherboard & looks nice too.

Asus M2N-VM DVI motherboard (http://in.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1841&l1=3&l2=101&l3=567&l4=0). I don't think I will need anything more then this motherboard cos I will be sticking to onboard GeForce Graphics only as this will be a pure home computer with no gaming.

Which AMD CPU should I go for? 4200+ X2 AM2 looks good enough to me, is ther any CPU model/Core I should look for.

2X1 GB DDR2 RAM, what speed ?? It will be kingston ValueRAM or Zion.

I will use my existing SATA HD, IDE DVD writer, TV Tuner card, keyboard & mouse, & rest as I have right now.

[Choto Cheeta]

GX,

Bro, why not 19" ?? 19" display price is really nice these days :) dell 198wef would come at Rs. 9700 incl all :)

4200+ is a real nice one, how ever for ur need (heavy processing) i would say do give the 4800+ a look :)

for 4200, do look out there is 2 version of it, a 90nm another 65 nm (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_13041%5E13076,00.html), so make sure u take the 65nm :)

kingstone value ram would do :) there is not much difference between price of 667mhz and 800mhz

one personal thought would be for me, going for a single 667 mhz kingstone @ GB module which would give option to add another 2 gb soon as the price would reach 1500 for single 2 gb real soon :lol: which is now at present 1850 + tax...

also, apart from AMD, u ma think of, XFX 630i ultra + Intel Pentium Dual Core E2140 (Rs. 2400 + TAX)

thx..

[gxsaurav]

Bro, why not 19" ?? 19" display price is really nice these days :) dell 198wef would come at Rs. 9700 incl all

How do I buy Dell? Do I have to place order like we place order for Dell laptops? Online?.

19" LG is available for Rs 9.8k. I would prefer this over Dell...due to it being a local purchase as I won't be using the computer, my family members will.

4200+ is a real nice one, how ever for ur need (heavy processing) i would say do give the 4800+ a look :)

Nah, that much power is not required. 4200+ is good enough. I won't be using this computer much due to laptop.


kingstone value ram would do :) there is not much difference between price of 667mhz and 800mhz


Ok, ValueRAM was in my mind too.

also, apart from AMD, u ma think of, XFX 630i ultra + Intel Pentium Dual Core E2140 (Rs. 2400 + TAX)

In the price I will get the C2D E2140, I will be able to buy a better performing Athlon64 X2. However, what is the cost of the above bundle u mentioned.

[keith_j_snyder2]

As if for power saving....u can go with BE series of processors from AMD.


@Choto

The model must be 1908WFP because i can't see the 198WFP on the web!


I found that SAMSUNG 931BW,932BW is pretty attractive LCD's.
Whats the price for 'em?

[tech_lover]

@aravind

thnx for the comment but truelly mate, thats an over compliment... Certainly u must understand there is no limit for knowledge and one cant in any way know every thing from every aspect !!

same with me, there is always more to learn :D, i believe one can learn from any one even those who are considered to be a new comer :D

@Harvik780

PMs are cleared :lol:

Dear Choto,

I have seen so many posts about your guidance on hardware and saw that you have helped so many people here. Hence I am asking you to spare a few mins. I want to buy Arctic Freezer Pro 7 for socket 775 in Kolkata. Where can I buy it? And if there is any alternative, please mention that too. I have intel g33mobo with c2d e6750 and xfx 6800gt 512 MB cased in a zebronics elegance with two side cooling 80mm fans. No other fans. Stock heatsink. Corsair 450W PSU (lots of cables make it cramped) with fan facing bottom towards the GPU. All this while I was making computer exchange richer. Till I found the kolkata vendor forum and then your posts!

Posting it here as your PM is full again!

Thanks

PS Others are welcome to reply too!

[Pathik]

^^ IMO you wont need arctic freezer pro 7 on your board as you cant oc it neways..

[keith_j_snyder2]

u got a graphics card then why do u need a a motherboard with onboard display! Get a P-35 motherboard or 650i or X38(if in budget) which has oerclocking potential!

[dare_devil]

i am planing to buy a new pc with processer intel c2d q6700 or intel quad q6600, so i need a motherboard for it.
i need a good motherboard with good IGP,
i am thinking of intel 965 based motherboard with intel x3000 graphics and XFX 630i (MG-630I-7159)
but i am not able to decide, so plz help me, and if you want to suggest any other motherboard plz tell me, also i am thinking of buying a dx10 based graphics card after 5-6 months, so it will support that, and i dont need sli or crossfire.i need this for gaming,

[temperworld]

My frend is going to buy a new system. He needs AMD. He has NO Objections against C2D if it fits the budget . The Budget is tight 30k.

1. The system will be used maily for Gaming.
2. He Needs 19" LCD moniter.
3.He says he need decent mobo with better onboard gfx to play newer games .if you mention gfx card in the config any onboard gfx will do.

[Choto Cheeta]

@tech_lover

Hello, can you please brief us on the fact, that why are u in need of a external 3rd party CPU cooler ??

@dare_devil

Try for ABiT IP35-E (http://www2.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboard/motherboard_detail.php?pMODEL_NAME=IP35-E&fMTYPE=LGA775) and couple that with a XFX 8400 GS till u can get a better grfx card :) if not possible then I vote for XFX 630i 7150 :)

@GX

Bro, XFX 630i 7150 is Rs. 3450/- + TAX at Kolkata :) where as the processor E2140 is Rs. 2400/- + TAX :D (not there wont be any dual channel support for 630i 7150 :p)

[tech_lover]

@tech_lover

Hello, can you please brief us on the fact, that why are u in need of a external 3rd party CPU cooler ??



While playing cricket 2004 with billinear rendering on, PC conked off. Posted it on
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80652
Changing PSU brought it back to life. Started monitoring temperature as per amitash's advice
Motherboard: 36. I/O controller hub: 62 Memory Cont Hub: 67
Proccy: 33 Proccy Fan: 972 RPM
Machine is at complete idle state for 1/2 hour. Room temp is 22

But the processor temp rises to 57-60 while playing rise of nation within 10 mins. moreover got Corsair 450 PSU where the fan is facing down right at the Processor and there seems to be no fan at the back of the PSU. After putting Corsair with its thick covered wires, the Zebronics elegance has become crammed. There is no fan at the back though 2 side cooling fans are there. I am very worried that my 20 days old PC should not get spoiled.

Thanks
tech_lover

[Pathik]

Those temps r nothing to worry about..

[Choto Cheeta]

85c is tjnk temp with C2D models so I do think heating is the issue :( 60c is a quite safe !!!

as while over clocking we reach around 70 to 75c :lol: when we think of stoping our self :lol:

moreover got Corsair 450 PSU where the fan is facing down right at the Processor and there seems to be no fan at the back of the PSU. After putting Corsair with its thick covered wires, the Zebronics elegance has become crammed. There is no fan at the back though 2 side cooling fans are there. I am very worried that my 20 days old PC should not get spoiled.


hmm... add a FAN at back :) if its 120 mn would be around Rs. 150 where as if its the smaller ones then just Rs. 30 :lol: and make sure the side fans are working properlly taking air out from the cabinet :D

[tech_lover]

Thanks a lot Choto Cheeta and Pathik. Will get the 120mm fan. Will have to search more for the fan. Today didn't find it at MD, Eastern Logica, Velocity or Supreme.

[Choto Cheeta]

didn't find it at MD, Eastern Logica, Velocity or Supreme.

there is a alley just beside the extrance of E-Mall :) follow that deep in chandi :) there u get the cheap products when looking for fans and stuff like this :D

[The_Devil_Himself]

@techloer:60c is nothing to worry about,it used to be my idle temp of both the cores of my c2d e6300 in summers.It used to touch 66-68 on load,but its been almost 1.5years and nothing has gone bad yet,so dont freak out.

If you are that paranoid then you can try applying arctic silver5,cpu coolers will be useless on stock settings.

[Choto Cheeta]

Off Topic :lol: not to harm any one, its just to share idea :) that such a waste of money while buying a locked BIOS mobo with a C2D :( and Cooler Master 450 watts is not quite needed where u can Rs. 1500/- Zebronics 500 platinum :D

[The_Devil_Himself]

^^correctly said about the mobo part,c2d's are meant to be OC'ed.but I dont see any reason to overclock cos all my apps and games run just fine(cpu isn't the bottleneck yet).

[dare_devil]

@dare_devil

Try for ABiT IP35-E (http://www2.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboard/motherboard_detail.php?pMODEL_NAME=IP35-E&fMTYPE=LGA775) and couple that with a XFX 8400 GS till u can get a better grfx card :) if not possible then I vote for XFX 630i 7150 :)




xfx 630i 7150 is dont support dual channel, and out of these 2 IGP which is better
IMA x3000 or nvidia 7150

[Choto Cheeta]

nvidia 7150 any day :)

[keith_j_snyder2]

Whats the price for SAMSUNG 931BW,932BW?

[gxsaurav]

Bro, XFX 630i 7150 is Rs. 3450/- + TAX at Kolkata :) where as the processor E2140 is Rs. 2400/- + TAX :D (not there wont be any dual channel support for 630i 7150 :p)

That's why I m prefering nvidia chipset with onboard graphics with AMD CPU

[tech_lover]

there is a alley just beside the extrance of E-Mall :) follow that deep in chandi :) there u get the cheap products when looking for fans and stuff like this :D

Thanks Choto Cheeta. Will get it from there. I have one more query for you.
My friend wants to buy a quad. I have forwarded your specs from this thread. Where should he go? He wants to buy from distributors like Mobo and Corsair RAM from Tirupati, GPU from Rashi, PSU from ZEbronics etc. But he doesn't know how to put it together :D IS there any reliable place where he can take the stuff and who'll just assemble the PC?

@techloer:60c is nothing to worry about,it used to be my idle temp of both the cores of my c2d e6300 in summers.It used to touch 66-68 on load,but its been almost 1.5years and nothing has gone bad yet,so dont freak out.

If you are that paranoid then you can try applying arctic silver5,cpu coolers will be useless on stock settings.

After reading all of your and other experts' posts, I am not so worried. So will give it a pass for the time being. Also I am absolutely noob in this. And the last thing I like to do is fiddle with the brand new stuff, specially after I had to replace the SMPS already. But will keep a hawk eye on the temperature and post it here if it starts approaching 70+. Will put a 120mm cooling fan as advised for the time being.

[joy.das.jd]

I want to upgrade my motherboard+ram+Graphics card. My budget is around Rs 7000 to Rs 8000. Now I want a motherboard which should be of microATX form factor only (as i have a small cabinet). I have decided to go for the XFX 630i - 7150 motherboard and 2 Gb of ddr2 RAM. Now i am very confused about the graphics card . Pls suggest a good Graphics card in about Rs 3000. I will be running the games on 1024x768 resolution only and even dx9 cards are welcome as i will be running windows XP only. The details of my processor are as following


Name Intel Pentium 4 515
Codename Prescott
Specification Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.93GHz
Package Socket 775 LGA

[j1n M@tt]

ur mobo selection is gud........only problem it hav is dat no support for dual channel memory.........

and if u r only planning to used ur gfx card for normal stuffs then i suggest there is no need for dedicated gfx card, the on-board 7150 on XFX 630i will do u job fine. Or if u wanna take a gfx card then go for 8500gt

[sagargv]

I want to upgrade my motherboard+ram+Graphics card. My budget is around Rs 7000 to Rs 8000. Now I want a motherboard which should be of microATX form factor only (as i have a small cabinet). I have decided to go for the XFX 630i - 7150 motherboard and 2 Gb of ddr2 RAM. Now i am very confused about the graphics card . Pls suggest a good Graphics card in about Rs 3000. I will be running the games on 1024x768 resolution only and even dx9 cards are welcome as i will be running windows XP only. The details of my processor are as following


Name Intel Pentium 4 515
Codename Prescott
Specification Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.93GHz
Package Socket 775 LGA

get ur self a 8600GT for 5k and add another gb of ram.
save more money for a decent upgrade.

[janitha]

But his budget is only 7-8K. 5K for the card means only 3K for Mobo and Ram. And he has already opted for 2GB. Why add one more GB.

[MetalheadGautham]

how is http://www.jetway.com.tw/jetway/system/productshow2.asp?id=358&cd=c3&proname=M2A692-GDG ?

[nish_higher]

^ good board
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2007/jetway/M2A692-GDG/g1.htm

Category
Score
Performance8 / 10
Features8 / 10
Ease Of Installation9 / 10
Overclocking Features8 / 10
Documentation8 / 10
Packaging8 / 10
Cost/Performance 9 / 10
Overall Rating :8.3 / 10

[sagargv]

But his budget is only 7-8K. 5K for the card means only 3K for Mobo and Ram. And he has already opted for 2GB. Why add one more GB.

i think 7-8k is too low for a gaming rig upgrade.

i aksed him to dump the xfx mobo and ddr2 idea he had. i suggest keeping the same mobo,proccy . add some ram and buy 8600 for the same rig .

[janitha]

i aksed him to dump the xfx mobo and ddr2 idea he had. i suggest keeping the same mobo,proccy , add some ram and buy 8600 for the same rig .i think 7-8k is too low for a gaming rig upgrade.

That is true and the suggestion is good.
The confusion would not have occurred if the second sentence was given first.;)

[joy.das.jd]

I know the budget is very low for a gaming upgrade. But i need to upgrade the motherboard as i do not have a pci-express slot on my motherboard. Moreover i need to keep the processor till july only after which i will do a better upgrade of my computer.
The only thing that i have on my mind is that i do not have to invest in the motherboard again at that time. So i wanted a motherboard which has support for both the intel P4 and the C2D processors. I think the onboard graphics nvidia 7150 should be decent for some old dx9 games such as doom 3, GTA SA.

As for the jetaway M2A692-GDG , I think it is for AMD. So no chance of getting it.

[sagargv]

but the xfx 630i has only single channel memory which will certainly affect ur performance later. i dont think its a wise choice to go4 630i now and then a g-card.

[gxsaurav]

Choto, how is the combination of Core 2 Duo E2140/2160 with Intel DG33TL motherboard for home use? Performance wise is it equal to Athlon64 4200+ or less? Which would be a better buy

[Pathik]

Yuck^^. Get a e2140 only if you plan to OC it.

[Choto Cheeta]

@gx_saurav

On stock (default inter cooler), without any heat paste, in a close uATX cabinet XFX 630i 7150 can drive an E2140 at 2.2 GHz 24x7 stable on load :)

I know you may say, you dont like over clocking, but when its done right (very simple for a tech guy like u :D), u would like it better than any one :D

I agree with pathiks, as without OC E2140 isnt a good deal as the E2140 or such is hell of over clocker, better over clocker than C2Ds :D

[Pathik]

hey choto wen do we get the read the n200 review?? and for how much did ya get it??

[Choto Cheeta]

hey choto wen do we get the read the n200 review?? and for how much did ya get it??

I need little time to complete the review as I like to test all capabilites :D from all possible mean so that takes a little time :D

with 1 GB RAM its Rs. 30500/- incl all :D

[janitha]

@gx_saurav

On stock (default inter cooler), without any heat paste, in a close uATX cabinet XFX 630i 7150 can drive an E2140 at 2.2 GHz 24x7 stable on load :)

I know you may say, you dont like over clocking, but when its done right (very simple for a tech guy like u :D), u would like it better than any one :D

I agree with pathiks, as without OC E2140 isnt a good deal as the E2140 or such is hell of over clocker, better over clocker than C2Ds :D

I hope you meant with stock/default Intel TIM.

or without anything between the processor/heatspreader and HSF?

[gxsaurav]

@gx_saurav

On stock (default inter cooler), without any heat paste, in a close uATX cabinet XFX 630i 7150 can drive an E2140 at 2.2 GHz 24x7 stable on load

Cool, means with my 450 W VIP SMPS, I can safely reach 2.2 GHz, not bad....i will over over clock :D

Any idea how much Asus P5K-VM costs?

[upendra_gp]

is logitech x540 a good speaker system?

[Choto Cheeta]

I hope you meant with stock/default Intel TIM.

or without anything between the processor/heatspreader and HSF?

Yes, Default Intel HSF... nothing extra used :)

Cool, means with my 450 W VIP SMPS, I can safely reach 2.2 GHz, not bad....i will over over clock

:D :D :D

Any idea how much Asus P5K-VM costs?

8k without bargain in Kolkata :( way out of ur budget as far as I see :(, it would be better to buy IP35-E + 8400 GS than same priced P5K-VM :(

[mehaman]

how is xfx630i mobo?,what about india price?Is it a choice for a faster system?I mean I dont want gaming thing :p

[Choto Cheeta]

^^

read, this,

http://www.chotocheeta.com/2008/01/20/quick-look-review-at-xfx-630i-7150-motherboard-for-a-budget-yes-performance-quad-core-system/

[rhitwick]

Hi guys....
Suggest me a good Motherboard comparable to AbiT IP35 Pro but has onboard gfx.
Budget till 13k.
Thanx.

[gxsaurav]

I was in the market today to inquire about the price myself. I am getting Intel Pentium E2160 + Intel DG31PR motherboard (http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/DG31PR/index.htm)for a combination price of Rs 6,400, is it worth it?

I may not be able to over clock, but that's not a necessity anyway. Intel DG31PR has most of things I need. It lacks Intel clear video technology but if I start to look at those things then it is better to buy a GeForce 8600 instead. I m not much into HD Movies, & GMA X3100 should suffice for my "OS only" needs. What say you guys?

One more thing, I am also buying a new Harddisk. 160 GB SATA 2.0 with 8 MB Buffer & 5 years warrenty, the brands are Seagete & Western Digital, which one to go for?

[mehaman]

@choto:well,Is this board(630i) available for buy online :? I asked dealers in coimbatore today,they dont have any idea :?

[MetalheadGautham]

I was in the market today to inquire about the price myself. I am getting Intel Pentium E2160 + Intel DG31PR motherboard (http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/DG31PR/index.htm)for a combination price of Rs 6,400, is it worth it?

I may not be able to over clock, but that's not a necessity anyway. Intel DG31PR has most of things I need. It lacks Intel clear video technology but if I start to look at those things then it is better to buy a GeForce 8600 instead. I m not much into HD Movies, & GMA X3100 should suffice for my "OS only" needs. What say you guys?
not worth it, as the mobo is rather expensive. I would suggest an AMD based solution instead.

[gxsaurav]

not worth it, as the mobo is rather expensive. I would suggest an AMD based solution instead.

AMD solution available here is even more costly :D. Athlon64 4200+ Asus M2N motherboard = 8k

[The_Devil_Himself]

I was in the market today to inquire about the price myself. I am getting Intel Pentium E2160 + Intel DG31PR motherboard (http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/DG31PR/index.htm)for a combination price of Rs 6,400, is it worth it?

I may not be able to over clock, but that's not a necessity anyway. Intel DG31PR has most of things I need. It lacks Intel clear video technology but if I start to look at those things then it is better to buy a GeForce 8600 instead. I m not much into HD Movies, & GMA X3100 should suffice for my "OS only" needs. What say you guys?

One more thing, I am also buying a new Harddisk. 160 GB SATA 2.0 with 8 MB Buffer & 5 years warrenty, the brands are Seagete & Western Digital, which one to go for?

don't get e2160 if you don't plan to overclock(now repeat this like 100 times :D),it will suck at stock speeds.

e2160+XFX 630i is the best bang for your bucks right now.And BTW this mobo has better onboard than x3100 afaik.Or if you really want it cheapo then you can bet palit n33 something(It is based on the same chipset and exactly same as xfx one except of course the quality).And FYI Abit counter-part of this mobo costs about 4.1k.

If I were you I would have gone for e4500+xfx630i(8k total) or e4500\e2160+abit ip35e(9.5k\7.5k) approx.

yea x3100 definitely is good enough for os only needs and so is the onboard 71xx of xfx 630i.


I have heard WD provides home pickup and delivery incase you need to RMA your harddisk,so its the better choice in this case IMO.but please do confirm.

[MetalheadGautham]

AMD solution available here is even more costly :D. Athlon64 4200+ Asus M2N motherboard = 8k
how about VIA chipset mobo + Sempron + 512 ddr667 stick ? It costs only 4000:p

[gxsaurav]

e2160+XFX 630i is the best bang for your bucks right now


XFX 630i is good but doesn't support Dual Channel Memory. I don't want it.

I have heard WD provides home pickup and delivery incase you need to RMA your harddisk,so its the better choice in this case IMO.but please do confirm.

Shopkeeper was saying the same. I wanted to know about reliability & performance though.

Hmm...what if I buy Intel Pentium E2160 & Asus P5KPL-VM (http://in.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=563&l4=0&model=1772&modelmenu=1) motherboard which can over clock? Will that be a good deal?

[The_Devil_Himself]

dude have you ever heard how much performance gain dual channel provides over single channel?Just a meagre 2-4% iirc.so thats just not a acceptable point IMO.


and yea abit ip35e has no onboard video(just FYI incase you want to buy this super good mobo).

[gxsaurav]

Dude have you ever heard how much performance gain dual channel provides over single channel in Photoshop, Adobe Lightroom, Windows Media Encoder, ACDSee Album creation etc.

[MetalheadGautham]

Dude have you ever heard how much performance gain dual channel provides over single channel in Photoshop, Adobe Lightroom, Windows Media Encoder, ACDSee Album creation etc.
add <every game released since 2005> to this list.

DUAL CHANNEL ROCKS. ITS LIKE OVERCLOCKING WITHOUT OVERCLOCKING.

my friend first had Dual Channel 2GB config. Later, he added an extra 256 mb stick(greedily stole it from his office) and noticed a PERFORMANCE DROP instead of GAIN.

[gxsaurav]

So far this is what I have decided unless someone recomends something else, better in the same price segment.

Intel Pentium E2160 CPU (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/pentium-e2160.html)
Intel DG31PR (http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/DG31PR/index.htm)or Asus P5KPL-VM (http://in.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=563&l4=0&model=1772&modelmenu=1)Motherboard, if Asus is available.
2X1 GB DDR2 667 RAM.
Western Digital WD1600AAJS Harddisk (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=254)
iBall Baby 306 CPU Cabinet (http://iball.co.in/inner/show_product_details2.asp?catid=20&pid=113)

Rest of the stuff will be my existing like my monitor, keyboard etc.

Will going for DDR2 800 give any noticable performance benefit over DDR2 667?

I will be selling my existing PC which is about 4.5 years old now for 6K to the shopkeeper.

Pentium 4 3.06 GHz
Intel 865GBF motherboard
2X1GB DDR 400 RAM
80 GB Samsung SATA HD
Frontech Cabinet
Zalman CNPS 7000 AlCu CPU Cooler
GeForce 6600GT AGP with 256 MB RAM

The main concern is that the computer should work as is. I need to install, configure the OS once & then my family should not get to any hassle with it. You know, just start & run the OS, that kind of PC.

Existing hardware which I will migrate to the new PC

Microsoft Erogonomics Keyboard 4000 with Laser Mouse 5000
Microsoft Lifecam VX-3000
Logitech X-230 Speakers
Philips HP-250 earphones
Pinnacle 100i Internal TV Tuner card
Samsung SH-S202J IDE DVD Writer
Windows Vista & Office 2007 License

[Choto Cheeta]

GX, even get it from IT wares :lol: that would be cheaper...

Intel boards are good, but when you compare any other available solution under such budget, they dont look good any more :(

if u want E2140, do note, without OC you really would be unhappy with its performance :( hence under that budget better thing would have been X2 4200+ and M2A-VM

http://www.theitwares.com/processors/processors.htm

[gxsaurav]

Choto, not E2140 but E2160.

Performance wise E2160 is similar to Athlon64 X2 3800+ AM2. The thing is that the combination of X2 4200+ & M2N-VM is more costly compared to The intel combination

[axxo]

get E2160 + Biostar TP35D2-A7 (2.6+4.5)-7.1K
gr8 for overclocking
p35 chipset
dual channel
but no onboard vga..

[Choto Cheeta]

@gx_saurav

Just 200 MHz :lol: anyway man u would be ending up wasting the extra bucks spent for E2160 :(

anyway, I can only suggest, choice is ur own :) personal vote is for E2140 + XFX 630i 7150 :lol: as I see on real world apps, @ 2.2 GHz this Intel conbination performance better than 4200+ with M2A-VM :)

[gxsaurav]

Since it has no onboard VGA that increses the total cost to about 10k.

Sorry, onboard graphics is a must yaar.....what will I do of a GFX card in this situation. I will indeed buy one but later, when required.

Choto, Any idea about Asus P5KPL-VM motherboard's cost?

@gx_saurav

Just 200 MHz :lol: anyway man u would be ending up wasting the extra bucks spent for E2160 :(

It seems like 2140 is a better deal if I over clock & 2160 a better feal if I don't over clock.

personal vote is for E2140 + XFX 630i 7150 :lol: as I see on real world apps, @ 2.2 GHz this Intel conbination performance better than 4200+ with M2A-VM :)

I know yaar, it is indeed good but single channel memory is a downer in my case. Also this motherboard is not easily available here.

[Choto Cheeta]

Local kolkata dealers are asking Rs. 5300/- + TAX without bargain :( didnt yet bought one so cant confirm their exact pricing :(

[gxsaurav]

^^^ That's it, I m buying E2160 with Intel DG31PR motherboard & will overclock as much as the Intel motherboard supports or won't over clock. I need a hassle free system which works & I m not paying much anyway as i m getting some money by selling my old system.

What about harddisk? Western digital or Seagate. Both are available at same price, & warrenty.

[Choto Cheeta]

I know yaar, it is indeed good but single channel memory is a downer in my case.

Sure ??

just a thought, real world test, Q6600 with XFX 630i Ultra and 4 GB (2x2) Single channel 667 MHz Kingstone lavue RAM and Q6600 with ABiT IP35-E and 2 GB (2x1) Dual Channel 800 MHz RAM with 8400 GS... rest all same...

AutoGK encodes 8.5 GB DVD to 700 MB rip 20 to 30 mins faster :lol: where as their price (total system) is same, infact ABiT one is costly because of the extra grfx card :lol:

^^^ That's it, I m buying E2160 with Intel DG31PR motherboard & will overclock as much as the Intel motherboard supports or won't over clock.

GX, once again a personal thought, on stock, Intel Pentiun D 925 (65nm version) would be much better than E2160 :( also Intel boards comes with No OC at all :(

@GX

Why dont you order from ITwares ?? they have a fare pricing, may be expensive than Kolkata local rate but its much cheaper than your place as I see :)

[gxsaurav]

GX, once again a personal thought, on stock, Intel Pentiun D 925 (65nm version) would be much better than E2160 :( also Intel boards comes with No OC at all :(

Hmm, let me see if Pentium D 965 Is available or not. Pentium D is famous for over heating but 65 NM might be able to help it.

I cannot order from ITWares cos I m buying the system from a shop here & selling my old system in the same shop. Don't have enough time to look for a potential buyer myself.

Off Topic : Got a call from ISBM Pune today on XAT score....might have to go back to Pune in few days. :D

Sure ??

just a thought, real world test, Q6600 with XFX 630i Ultra and 4 GB (2x2) Single channel 667 MHz Kingstone lavue RAM and Q6600 with ABiT IP35-E and 2 GB (2x1) Dual Channel 800 MHz RAM with 8400 GS... rest all same...

AutoGK encodes 8.5 GB DVD to 700 MB rip 20 to 30 mins faster :lol: where as their price (total system) is same, infact ABiT one is costly because of the extra grfx card :lol:

Bro, DVD encoding is CPU intensice not Memory Subsystem intensive. Try a photoshop/3Ds Max/gaming test & you will know.

It's true that I won't be doing much 3Ds Max & rest of the work on this CPU, but it won't hurt to use this PC as a 2ndry computer to render as a render farm :D

Choto, if I go my way of E2160 & Intel DG31PR motherboard, how much performance/money will I lose?

[Choto Cheeta]

Its Pentium 925 which may fall at a lower budget and the new 65nm ones seems to be better than older 90nm ones...

but note, I once again say ON STOCK a 925 would be better than E21xx processors :)

Choto, if I go my way of E2160 & Intel DG31PR motherboard, how much performance/money will I lose?

GX, its personal Vote, get an AMD Solution from ITwares over this E21xx ones...

in your budget that would be a better choice :)

[gxsaurav]

Again, can't get from ITWares. I will look for Pentium 925 tomorrow.

One thing I like about the E2xxx series is the CPU feature set. Despite of being a desktop CPU it can throttle the CPU Clock,FSB & cache to reduce power consumption.

[MetalheadGautham]

I recomend aXXo's biostar e2140 config. just add a sub 2k graphics card to it.

[gxsaurav]

I recomend aXXo's biostar e2140 config. just add a sub 2k graphics card to it.

Sub 2K graphics card = GeForce 7 series. No way, If I buy a gfx card now it has to be a DirectX 10/OpenGL 2.1 based gfx card.

I checked Pentium D 925, Sorry..it is Netburst architecture, no way I m gonna buy this.

I asked a lot, not many choices available here on my budget of 10K for everything. Final config is

Intel Pentium E2160 CPU
Intel DG31PR motherboard or Asus P5KPL-VM motherboard, if Asus is available I will stretch my budget
2X1 GB DDR2 667 RAM
Are koi harddisk ka to bolo bhai....WD or Seagate

[infra_red_dude]

I was in the market today to inquire about the price myself. I am getting Intel Pentium E2160 + Intel DG31PR motherboard (http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/DG31PR/index.htm)for a combination price of Rs 6,400, is it worth it?
Why are you buying this proc??? I'd suggest if you can get hold of Core2Duo E4000 series proc its better than this. Both of them lack VT (virtualization). While E2000 series comes with only 1MB cache, E4000 series cmes with 2MB and believe me it does matter!

Just search around and try to get hold of E4000 series proc. And DG33 based mobo for Pentium Dual Core??!!!

I think you've chosen a bad combo! I'd recommend an AMD solution too (get it from somewhere else, if you can or order online). This config just doesn't cut it!

[nish_higher]

Are koi harddisk ka to bolo bhai....WD or Seagate

WD are more reliable than seagate,silent,performance is the same (keeping the 500gb\1tb apart) and warranty is great.

[gxsaurav]

Why are you buying this proc??? I'd suggest if you can get hold of Core2Duo E4000 series proc its better than this. Both of them lack VT (virtualization). While E2000 series comes with only 1MB cache, E4000 series cmes with 2MB and believe me it does matter!

I know it matters but money also matters. I know E4xxx is better but I don't need that much performance so why pay a huge difference.

According to ITWares

E2160 = Rs 3,050
E4300 = Rs 4,550

The difference is 1 MB Cache, & it matters in gaming only. For anything else we do this cache difference is negligible & I have already said that I will hardly be playing games on this computer, sans Solitire & Chess :D

AMD CPU is cheap, but motherboards are not properly available here. Most of them are available on order only. The combination I asked to the shopkeeper was Athlon64 4200+ with Asus M2N-VM DVI motherboard, he gave me HDMI model & cost was Rs 8,000. I will ask tomorrow for the same AMD config in some other shop.

Cost wise both system r similar, but AMD provides more performance at the same cost, this I know but all depends on the availability

[MetalheadGautham]

^ good board
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2007/jetw...692-GDG/g1.htm (http://www.ocworkbench.com/2007/jetway/M2A692-GDG/g1.htm)

Quote:
Category
Score
Performance8 / 10
Features8 / 10
Ease Of Installation9 / 10
Overclocking Features8 / 10
Documentation8 / 10
Packaging8 / 10
Cost/Performance 9 / 10
Overall Rating :8.3 / 10


and any good processor for it ?

[Pathik]

Arey tu to lappy lene wala tha??

[gxsaurav]

I am buying the Dell XPS M1530 for me but this computer is for home use, which my family will use.

[Pathik]

and any good processor for it ?
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Get the x2 5200+

[MetalheadGautham]

Get the x2 5200+
that was a 2.5k budget mobo. That means budget proccy.

[Choto Cheeta]

Are koi harddisk ka to bolo bhai....WD or Seagate

try to get WD as Seagate 160 GB ones some how is making chitering sound these days :(

[Pathik]

that was a 2.5k budget mobo. That means budget proccy.
k :p then get a 4000+ . 2.6k ..

[infra_red_dude]

when you are ready to spend about 10k for everything 1k hardly matters. Anyways since you are not gonna run even bare games or do some rendering I guess its ok.

Advantage with AMD is that their procs support VT. But if its for family I fail to understand why are you changing the system? Your current system is just good enuf.

[gxsaurav]

It's 4.5 years old & I can't stand Pentium 4 in the era of C2D :D

I will inquire about the price of AMD tomorrow. If I can get the combination of Athlon64 X2 4200+ with Asus M2N-VM DVI then I will sure opt for that.

[hellgate]

which one of the following wud be a better choice:
1>E2160 + XFX 630i
2>X2 4000+ + MSI K9AGM2

need 1 4 my frnd and he is planning to oc.also either dcombo will hav 2*1GB ram and a XFX 8800GTS 320MB to handle

[Choto Cheeta]

if one plans a dedicated grfx card the change the 630i with ABiT IP35-E :)

[dOm1naTOr]

@hellgate (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=34884)
the AMD combo will come under 5k [both]

But the other config wud cross 6.5k mark

[hellgate]

@Choto this is just a makeshift pc.he waitin 4 Nehalem.just wants to play all the games that will be realeasing 4 Neahlem hits the market.so he doesnt want to spend much.maybe he'll sell off the 8800GTS 320MB and get a 9600GT/8800GT 512MB but thats a diff story all together.
as of now just tell me which combo sud i buy.
he wont spend 5k on the mobo.

[keith_j_snyder2]

Dude if u want to overclock then u gotta have the IP-35-E board(min. for overclocking) otherwise forget overclocking and run for AMD setup.

About Nehalem core.....then u don't need to wait because either of your hardware will be a total waste.
It will sport DDR3 RAM and LGA 1160. So there is no point of waiting for NEHALEM!

[MetalheadGautham]

and any good processor for it ?
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that was a 2.5k budget mobo. That means budget proccy.

k :p then get a 4000+ . 2.6k ..
4000+ = 2.6k ?
and how about hellgate's planned mobo instead of mine ?
how is 4000+ compared to E2140 ? when both are OCed by stock kooling ?

[hellgate]

About Nehalem core.....then u don't need to wait because either of your hardware will be a total waste.
It will sport DDR3 RAM and LGA 1160. So there is no point of waiting for NEHALEM!

i dont think that my hardware will be a total waste.2day i'm selling off my C2Q Q6600 and XFX 680i for a total price of 23k.so i'll spend bout 5k from that amt and get a mobo+proccy combo and keep the rest and use it when i shall upgrade to Nehalem.
my frnd is selling off his P4 and D102 and getting soomething similar to wat i buy.
when Nehalem arrives i'll just setup a new rig keeping the old one.

[MetalheadGautham]

i dont think that my hardware will be a total waste.2day i'm selling off my C2Q Q6600 and XFX 680i for a total price of 23k.so i'll spend bout 5k from that amt and get a mobo+proccy combo and keep the rest and use it when i shall upgrade to Nehalem.
my frnd is selling off his P4 and D102 and getting soomething similar to wat i buy.
when Nehalem arrives i'll just setup a new rig keeping the old one.
C2Q Q6600 + 680i for 23k ? you got a really good deal indeed.
and spending 5k from that amount and getting a mobo + proccy is not a bad idea
I think AMD is the only choice you have
but you might get a very good deal with that money.

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I found this mobo on asus site that retails at 2.5k on theitwares.com:
http://in.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=498&l4=0&model=1574&modelmenu=1
It has support for intel's core2 range of processors.
I thought it might make a great pair with E2140
But it lacks decent intergrated graphics(GMA 950 sucks)
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any comments on this one ?

[nish_higher]

4000+ = 2.6k ?
and how about hellgate's planned mobo instead of mine ?
how is 4000+ compared to E2140 ? when both are OCed by stock kooling ?
yes it costs 2.6k
MSI K9AGM2 does not have 4 ddr2 dual channel slots so Jetway is much better-i'd suggest the same to hellgate

X2 4000+ performs better than E2140 .source- CPu benchmark chart on http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=917&model2=884&chart=435

[hellgate]

yes it costs 2.6k
MSI K9AGM2 does not have 4 ddr2 dual channel slots so Jetway is much better-i'd suggest the same to hellgate

X2 4000+ performs better than E2140 .source- CPu benchmark chart on http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=917&model2=884&chart=435

but E2160 performs better or is at par with X2 400+.both procies also cost almost the same (X2 4000+ -> 2.6k & E2160 -> 2.7k).
also E2160 oc's better than X2 4000+.
so ithink its better to buy the E2160 instead of X2 4000+.

[nish_higher]

yes it does. he wants to compare E2140 with X2 4000+
and yea its better to buy E2160 but a similar motherboard with those features will cost more than AMD's mobo.so considering VFM its better.there's 6-7% difference in performance

[MetalheadGautham]

but E2160 performs better or is at par with X2 400+.both procies also cost almost the same (X2 4000+ -> 2.6k & E2160 -> 2.7k).
but E2160 oc's better than X2 4000+.
so ithink its better to buy the E2160 instead of X2 4000+.
E2160 is just 200mhz extra on E2140. And if both X2 4000+ and E2160 are OCed to the max on respective mobos(jetway + 4000 and XFX630i + 2160) I feel 4000+ must perform better.

[hellgate]

E2160 is just 200mhz extra on E2140. And if both X2 4000+ and E2160 are OCed to the max on respective mobos(jetway + 4000 and XFX630i + 2160) I feel 4000+ must perform better.

cant agree with u on this one.when oc'ed the E2140/E2160 will perform far better than X2 4000+ for the sole reason that both E2140/E2160 will clk higher that X2 4000+ can ever think of.also E2160 will perform better when oc'd.

[priyadarshi]

hi all!
plz suggest me proc and ram for my intel dg965ry. this board supports upto 2.66ghz E6700 processor.
http://processormatch.intel.com/CompDB/SearchResult.aspx?Boardname=dg965ry
and 8gb of ram at DDR2 667 or DDR2 533 and 4gb at DDR2 800
http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/dg965ry/sb/CS-026602.htm
which one will perform better. 8gb with 667mhz or 4gb with 800mhz.

[infra_red_dude]

cant agree with u on this one.when oc'ed the E2140/E2160 will perform far better than X2 4000+ for the sole reason that both E2140/E2160 will clk higher that X2 4000+ can ever think of.also E2160 will perform better when oc'd.
+1, wanna overclock then E series is the best. Wanna run at stock speed then nothing beats AMD for VFM.

[gxsaurav]

I found the cost just now, AMD 4200+ is for Rs 3, 500 here but Asus M2N-VM DVI is Rs 5,800. I am going with Intel setup

Final config is..

Intel Pentium E2160 CPU (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/pentium-e2160.html)
Asus P5KPL-VM (http://in.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=563&l4=0&model=1772&modelmenu=1)Motherboard
2X1 GB DDR2 667 RAM.
Western Digital WD1600AAJS Harddisk (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=254)
iBall Baby 306 CPU Cabinet (http://iball.co.in/inner/show_product_details2.asp?catid=20&pid=113)
I will be exchanging my 10 days old Samsung SH-S202J IDE DVD Writer for a similar SATA Model for free
I am exchanging my Pinnacle PCTV 100i TV Tuner card & buying a Pinnacle PCTV Tuner kit for Vista for Rs 500
LG 17" Widescreen LCD Monitor after selling my Samsung Syncmaster 793S CRT Monitor

Existing hardware which I will migrate to the new PC

Microsoft Erogonomics Keyboard 4000 with Wireless Laser Mouse 5000
Microsoft Lifecam VX-3000
Logitech X-230 Speakers
Philips HP-250 earphones
Windows Vista & Office 2007 License

The PC will be a small but nice looking silent system. I will over clock upto safe limit with the stock cooler. If like Choto said, the system can run stable & cool upto 2.2 GHz fine without any hickups then I will sure overclick to 2.2 Ghz. Stress testing is not a problem to heat up the CPU, just start Cinebench in loop :D

Total money I have to pay to the shopkeeper is Rs 7,000.

Is it a good deal?

[janitha]

I found the cost just now, AMD 4200+ is for Rs 3, 500 here but Asus M2N-VM DVI is Rs 5,800. I am going with Intel setup



Even @ theitwares, M2N - VM DVI costs only Rs.3300/-. How can there be such a difference?

[gxsaurav]

Cos the DVI model isn't available, HDMI one is.

No problems though, I will over clock the E2160 cpu anyway...

[infra_red_dude]

^^^ 7k looks good overall :) I think you can go with the setup.

[gxsaurav]

Guys, fellow friends...I am very sorry to say but SCRAP THE IDEA....I GOT A JOB AGAIN. :D

I got my designing job again in Lucknow, which I can continue to do from home and if I get selected somewhere then I will leave this job & jump to studies, purchase of laptop is on hold now as I again need a Desktop workstation. I am looking at TheITWares for approximate costs, continuing with the old configuration. No over clocking now & I need a better CPU out of the box.

Now the motherboards are going to be either Intel DG31PR or Asus M2N-VM DVI depending on whether it is Intel or AMD.

For CPU, here is the question. Core 2 Duo E4500 is for Rs 4,800 while Athlon64 5000+ is available for Rs 5,000. Which is better performance wise?

For graphics card, XFX 8500GT with 512 MB RAM looks good at Rs 4,000. Since I don't have to game, 8600GT isn't required & additional 256 MB of RAM compared to XFX 8600GT is better in my case.

Rest everything else is same as before.

[dOm1naTOr]

4200+ @ 3.5k???
its below 3k here and M2N VM DVI is for 3.3k in here. I damn sure coz ive already bought it for two of my friends.

[nish_higher]

Guys, fellow friends...I am very sorry to say but SCRAP THE IDEA....I GOT A JOB AGAIN. :D

I got my designing job again in Lucknow, which I can continue to do from home and if I get selected somewhere then I will leave this job & jump to studies, purchase of laptop is on hold now as I again need a Desktop workstation. I am looking at TheITWares for approximate costs, continuing with the old configuration. No over clocking now & I need a better CPU out of the box.

Now the motherboards are going to be either Intel DG31PR or Asus M2N-VM DVI depending on whether it is Intel or AMD.

For CPU, here is the question. Core 2 Duo E4500 is for Rs 4,800 while Athlon64 5000+ is available for Rs 5,000. Which is better performance wise?

For graphics card, XFX 8500GT with 512 MB RAM looks good at Rs 4,000. Since I don't have to game, 8600GT isn't required & additional 256 MB of RAM compared to XFX 8600GT is better in my case.

Rest everything else is same as before.

congrats for the job :)

X2 5000+ has less L2 cache so even it can be overclocked to X2 6400+,it performs not that good. E4500 beats X2 5000+ anyday when oc'ed.even E2160 does that :D
go with intel E4500 , XFX 8500GT 512mb , motherboard-if u can extend ur budget,DG33FB will be much better

[gxsaurav]

That's not in the requirment list anymore

@ Nish...

Tell me about non overclocked state, cos like I said no more over clocking now.

Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 or Athlon64 X2 5000+ AM2 in non-over clocked state.

Is Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 available? I remember it works at 2.4 GHz & has 2 MB L2 Cache

Taking a look at XFX 8500GT with 512MB RAM now. More Video RAM helps in 3ds max compared to a 8600GT over 8500GT.

Intel DG33FB motherboard provides no compelling feature over DG31PR for my use. I want a stable workstation you know.

[nish_higher]

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/mainstream%20cpu%20roundup%20q3%202007_09250790922/15639.png

Source-ANandtech
E4500 beats AMD 5000+ at stock
and the motherboard i was saying because it supports dual channel ram,but DG31PR is also good.

[Pathik]

That's not in the requirment list anymore

@ Nish...

Tell me about non overclocked state, cos like I said no more over clocking now.

Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 or Athlon64 X2 5000+ AM2 in non-over clocked state.

Is Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 available? I remember it works at 2.4 GHz & has 2 MB L2 Cache

Taking a look at XFX 8500GT with 512MB RAM now. More Video RAM helps in 3ds max compared to a 8600GT over 8500GT.

Intel DG33FB motherboard provides no compelling feature over DG31PR for my use. I want a stable workstation you know.
No e6600. and it had 4mb l2.

[gxsaurav]

Ok, Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3112&p=3)CPU is fixed. This is final. If I can get an old stock of E6600 then I will buy it.

Intel DG31PR motherboard (http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/DG31PR/index.htm) is Final.

Cabinet is iBall Baby 306 (http://iball.co.in/inner/show_product_details2.asp?catid=20&pid=113), final.

2X1 GB DDR2 667 RAM is Final.

XFX GeForce 8600GT with 512 MB DDR2 RAM (http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/listConfigurationDetails.jspa?series=GeForce%26tra de%3B+8600&productConfigurationId=1430512) & 17" Samsung 732NW (http://www.samsung.com/in/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=informationtechnology&type=monitors&subtype=tftlcdmonitors&model_cd=LS17PENSF/XTP)LCD monitor is final, but next month.

Western Digital WD1600AAJS Harddisk (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=254) is final.

I will be exchanging my Samsung SH-S202J IDE DVD Writer for Samsung SH-S203D SATA DVD Writer (http://www.samsung.com/in/consumer/detail/spec.do?group=informationtechnology&type=opticaldiscdrives&subtype=dvdwriters&model_cd=SH-S203D/IDBH) for free.

I will be exchanging my Pinnacle PCTV 100i with Pinnacle Tuner kit for Vista (http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/uk/Products/Consumer+Products/PCTV+Tuners/PCTV+Vista+Companion/PCTV+Tuner+Kit+for+Windows+Vista.htm) by paying a difference of Rs 500.

Existing hardware which I will migrate to the new PC

Microsoft Erogonomics Keyboard 4000 with Laser Mouse 5000
Microsoft Lifecam VX-3000
Logitech X-230 Speakers
Philips HP-250 earphones
Windows Vista & Office 2007 License

[nish_higher]

^ awesome !
that WD HDD was my 1st ever WD hdd-it performs great and i got so impressed i bought rest 3 hdds of the same brand :D

i won't say anything abt LCD because 1 month might change current choice :)

PS- make sure that mobo is from the latest lot-the one that has a newest manfacturing date (i'd say that for any motherboard)

[gxsaurav]

Ok, I will check that the motherboard is latest stock

[keith_j_snyder2]

but E2160 performs better or is at par with X2 400+.both procies also cost almost the same (X2 4000+ -> 2.6k & E2160 -> 2.7k).
also E2160 oc's better than X2 4000+.
so ithink its better to buy the E2160 instead of X2 4000+.

So true!
Besides this, i have seen people overclocked their E2160 @ 3.0 GHz on stock cooling.

[devips]

OK guys, how good is the Intel DG33TL Board? I am buying one shortly, so tell me am I doing right?

[Choto Cheeta]

if you have a grfx card then buy ABiT IP35-E and if you plan to run onboard then go for XFX 630i 7150 :)

[gxsaurav]

Intel DG33TL motherboard is good, however have a look at DG31PR motherboard just cos it is cheap & provides adequate enough features.

What DG33TL has over DG31PR

1) Support for 8 GB RAM instead of 4 GB. Do u need 8 GB? 4 RAM slots instead of 2

2) 7.1 Channel Audio instead of 5.1 Channel, again do u need it?

3) Support for HDMI & HDCP, but this is irrelevant unless you don't plan to buy a graphics card.

DG31PR seems like a better & balanced buy to me.

[go4saket]

Is 2.5" HDD available in 500GB and if yes, what is the approx cost of the same.

[Pathik]

Yep they have started becoming available but are very costly.. If u just want portable storage, get the WD Passport or the Seagate FreeAgent.

[priyadarshi]

hi all!
plz suggest me proc and ram for my intel dg965ry. this board supports upto 2.66ghz E6700 processor.
http://processormatch.intel.com/CompDB/SearchResult.aspx?Boardname=dg965ry
and 8gb of ram at DDR2 667 or DDR2 533 and 4gb at DDR2 800
http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/dg965ry/sb/CS-026602.htm
which one will perform better. 8gb with 667mhz or 4gb with 800mhz.

anyone help me out plz....

[infra_red_dude]

BTW whats the price of DG31PR and TL, gx?

[MetalheadGautham]

ab mera kam ka kya hua ?

m2a 692 gdg looks good as a mobo
4000+ looks bad as a proccy
xfx 630i luks bad as a mobo
2140/2160 luks gud as proccy

what to do gentlemen ?

[janitha]

ab mera kam ka kya hua ?

m2a 692 gdg looks good as a mobo
4000+ looks bad as a proccy
xfx 630i luks bad as a mobo
2140/2160 luks gud as proccy

what to do gentlemen ?

Try to use both the good things if you can!:rolleyes:

(don't misunderstand. just joking)

[nish_higher]

BTW whats the price of DG31PR and TL, gx?

DG31PR = 3500
DG33TL=6550


ab mera kam ka kya hua ?

m2a 692 gdg looks good as a mobo
4000+ looks bad as a proccy
xfx 630i luks bad as a mobo
2140/2160 luks gud as proccy
what to do gentlemen ?

http://www2.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboard/motherboard_detail.php?pMODEL_NAME=I-N73HD&fMTYPE=LGA775

If ur budget can be extended a little get this board.cost=4100 it can be overclocked much better

[go4saket]

Yep they have started becoming available but are very costly.. If u just want portable storage, get the WD Passport or the Seagate FreeAgent.

Any idea of the cost?

[MetalheadGautham]

Try to use both the good things if you can!:rolleyes:

(don't misunderstand. just joking)
world is always full of compromises:(
DG31PR = 3500
DG33TL=6550




http://www2.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboard/motherboard_detail.php?pMODEL_NAME=I-N73HD&fMTYPE=LGA775

If ur budget can be extended a little get this board.cost=4100 it can be overclocked much better
dual channel is not present in it.

and its for a friend, not myself. He is determined to have Dual channel. And if this turns out to be good, I myself might concider buying one. We both have the same current config, thats P4, Intel 915GLVG mobo, and ddr ram. Our mobos have no AGP or PCIe slots, so we both want to upgrade to something that can last till nehalem arrives. I have the patience to keep my current rig and wait, but he wants to go for something that can help him play crysis before marriage :lol:. My patience too is wearing out, so I am also concidering an upgrade. We both want a solution thats as cheap as possible but still works fine. I don't mind OverClocking, and intend to do it to the maximum level that touches the boderline of safety(343.15 Kelvin). And my friend doesn't mind OCing if its done by someone ecept himself, who knows what to do.

[gxsaurav]

BTW whats the price of DG31PR and TL, gx?

DG31PR = Rs 3,800

[nish_higher]

^ dual channel is present in intel DG33 FC, it costs 4900 .its a great board

[gxsaurav]

I have the patience to keep my current rig and wait, but he wants to go for something that can help him play crysis before marriage :lol:.

Buy it, buy it right now. He will not be able to play Crysis after marriage, as his life will be in Crysis :D

[nish_higher]

^ lol :))
Play crysis 1 before marriage
After that its Crysis 2,3,4...100,etc...

DG31PR = Rs 3,800
what ? :eek:
deltapage shows 3600 including TN VAT :p
in chd its for 3650

[gxsaurav]

Cost is always high in lucknow which we have to reduce it by bargaining.

Anyway, I am buying the computer today or tomorrow. Should I go ahead or change something?

[MetalheadGautham]

Buy it, buy it right now. He will not be able to play Crysis after marriage, as his life will be in Crysis :D
thats why he wants to upgrade soon;)
and I am struggling to find a good setup for cheap price.
there are two wannabe crysis player's dreams involved here.

[gxsaurav]

^^^ Crysis runs on Windows Vista

[nish_higher]

Cost is always high in lucknow which we have to reduce it by bargaining.

Anyway, I am buying the computer today or tomorrow. Should I go ahead or change something?

This is your final,right?


Ok, Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3112&p=3)CPU is fixed. This is final. If I can get an old stock of E6600 then I will buy it.

Intel DG31PR motherboard (http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/DG31PR/index.htm) is Final.

Cabinet is iBall Baby 306 (http://iball.co.in/inner/show_product_details2.asp?catid=20&pid=113), final.

2X1 GB DDR2 667 RAM is Final.

XFX GeForce 8600GT with 512 MB DDR2 RAM (http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/listConfigurationDetails.jspa?series=GeForce%26tra de%3B+8600&productConfigurationId=1430512) & 17" Samsung 732NW (http://www.samsung.com/in/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=informationtechnology&type=monitors&subtype=tftlcdmonitors&model_cd=LS17PENSF/XTP)LCD monitor is final, but next month.

Western Digital WD1600AAJS Harddisk (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=254) is final.

I will be exchanging my Samsung SH-S202J IDE DVD Writer for Samsung SH-S203D SATA DVD Writer (http://www.samsung.com/in/consumer/detail/spec.do?group=informationtechnology&type=opticaldiscdrives&subtype=dvdwriters&model_cd=SH-S203D/IDBH) for free.

I will be exchanging my Pinnacle PCTV 100i with Pinnacle Tuner kit for Vista (http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/uk/Products/Consumer+Products/PCTV+Tuners/PCTV+Vista+Companion/PCTV+Tuner+Kit+for+Windows+Vista.htm) by paying a difference of Rs 500.

Existing hardware which I will migrate to the new PC

Microsoft Erogonomics Keyboard 4000 with Laser Mouse 5000
Microsoft Lifecam VX-3000
Logitech X-230 Speakers
Philips HP-250 earphones
Windows Vista & Office 2007 License


You should buy this

[gxsaurav]

Thanx, I m leaving now. Depending on parts availability I will either buy it today or tomorrow. Will post some pics of my "Lab" :D

The System will be used for everything general purpose along with Photoshop CS3, Illustrator CS3, 3D Studio Max 2008, After Effect CS3, Autodesk Combustion, Premiere Pro CS3, Microsoft Expression Blend & Expression Design & WPF Application developement. Kind of a designer's workstation.....:D

When I buy a computer I pay attention to efficiency. The last computer I bought 4.5 years ago is still strong & I only had to upgrade the RAM in it over the years, I added a TV Tuner card & new harddisk though as the old harddisk died. The one I m buying now will be again used for atleast 4 years.

I am not buying a graphics card right now as I don't require it for the first month atleast, & in 1 month the cost of 8600GT will reduce due to the release of 9600GT.

Sound card is no longer required, the onboard HD Audio is good enough for me. I use 2.1 speakers or headphone.

Oh! by the way,...this is gonna be my CPU Cabinet

http://iball.co.in/admin/images/main_img_113.jpg

But the other model gives an illusion of Mac Pro :D

http://iball.co.in/admin/images/main_img_108.jpg

[go4saket]

I brought the black model out of the two. Its actually a Server cabinet but fortunately the desktop Mobo fits fine...

[keith_j_snyder2]

^^ Yeah and its pretty expensive too!

[gxsaurav]

This just in, I just came back from the shop, the stock wasn't available so I will be buying the computer tomorrow. Here are the prices I was quoted today.

Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 + Intel DG31PR Motherboard = Rs 8,300

2X 1 GB Dynet DDR2 667 RAM = Rs 1,700

Westen Digital WD1600AABS Harddisk (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=257) (2 MB Buffer) = Rs 2,000

The 8 MB Buffer model isn't available & will come on order. Should I go with 2 MB Buffer or should I order the 8 MB buffer model WD1600AAJS ?

iBall Baby 306 cabinet with 400W Power Supply = Rs 1,800

My DVD writer will be replaced with the SATA Model & TV Tuner card with new Pinnacle TV Tuner kit for Vista.

I will need to give my old computer & Rs 8,000.

[nish_higher]

^ 8mb buffer man whatever happens.2mb is just toooooo less for the work u have to do.
dynet rams are very poor performers (no i'm not talking abt overclocking) .get kingston \corsair\transcend value series

[gxsaurav]

Ok, I will ask for Kingston ValueRAM & 8 MB Buffer based harddisk, I m ordering the harddisk right now so I will get it by tomorrow

[infra_red_dude]

2X 1 GB Dynet DDR2 667 RAM = Rs 1,700
Dynet RAM is the worst component in you list! Get Kingston.

Westen Digital WD1600AABS Harddisk (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=257) (2 MB Buffer) = Rs 2,000
Whoa! You kidding?? 2MB buffer. Nothing less than 8MB buffer should do!

iBall Baby 306 cabinet with 400W Power Supply = Rs 1,800
My advice: Get at least 500W PSU. Why? You'll soon gonna run outta space on that puny 160GB HDD and you wudn't wanna throw it so soon coz its kinda not old.

Next you gonna put in an 8600/9600GT or comparable.

[gxsaurav]

I just ordered Kingston ValueRAM 2X1GB DDR2 667 which will come on order by tomorrow but Western Digital WD1600AAJS hard disk will take 2 days to arrive. Oh! Well, waiting for 2 days to get much better performance sounds a better deal to me.

The way I manage my hard disk, 160 GB is more then enough. Will you guys believe that out of my 50 GB E drive, 30 GB is still free :D, so hard disk space is not an issue.

The 400W PSU is the one bundled. I will replace it with a VIP SMPS, will that do? 450 W will be enough for the system even with 8600GT

[infra_red_dude]

Harddisk with 8 MB Buffer isn't available :( . I m still trying for it though at other shops.
Wait... wait.. and wait till you get an 8mb buffer hdd.

The 400W PSU is the one bundled. I will replace it with a VIP SMPS, will that do? 450 W will be enough for the system even with 8600GT
Think of the future. Very very important. Hafing an 50W may cost a bit now but sure is future proof! This is one component which you don't change every now and then. Prolly the least upgraded of all compnents. Invest in a good quality future proof PSU.

[gxsaurav]

ok, I edited the post. I ordered the 8 MB Buffer model, it will come by monday, so I will buy the computer on monday now.

I m buying the included 400W PSU in the cabinet right now as it is good enough for existing needs. When I buy the graphics card in a month then I will order a better VIP or some other PSU & sale my existing PSU for Rs 500 to the vendor.

[MetalheadGautham]

@gx_saurav:

1. So what if crysis runs on Windows Vista ?(I didn't make the S $ and the V P as choto's thread is too good to be spoilt)

2. There are other cabinets available with 500W PSU and they still manage to look good

3. Concider WD Calviar 320 GB 16 mb buffer Rs. 3500/- HDD, because as long as you have a game/music/movie buff in the house, any HDD will appear tiny. The extra Rs. 1500 is worth it.

4. Kingston Value RAM is good. Buy it.

5. Processor and Mobo look quite good at that price. Nice choice. Do write a review.

@anirudh:
Hafing an 50W may cost a bit now but sure is future proof!
50W is not even past proof :lol:

[infra_red_dude]

@anirudh:

50W is not even past proof :lol:
Typo there... wanted to type: "Hafing an extra 50W..." :)

[gxsaurav]

Shuks....the harddisk will take 4 days to come :(, purchase is on tuesday & it's gonna cost me a little more.

RAM is available now, Kingston ValueRAM KVR667D2N5K2/2G, kit of 2X1 GB DDR2 667 modules.

@ Gautam

I like the cabinet, sweet & cute....cweet I would say :D. I will buy a high power PSU later with the graphics card.

3. Concider WD Calviar 320 GB 16 mb buffer Rs. 3500/- HDD, because as long as you have a game/music/movie buff in the house, any HDD will appear tiny. The extra Rs. 1500 is worth it.


16 MB Buffer is good, but I don't need the extra HD space & don't have Rs 1,500 extra. Trust me, even 80 GB is enough if you manage the harddisk like I do. Besides, I m no movie buff.

[MetalheadGautham]

Shuks....the harddisk will take 4 days to come :(, purchase is on tuesday & it's gonna cost me a little more.

RAM is available now, Kingston ValueRAM KVR667D2N5K2/2G, kit of 2X1 GB DDR2 667 modules.

@ Gautam

I like the cabinet, sweet & cute....cweet I would say :D. I will buy a high power PSU later with the graphics card.



16 MB Buffer is good, but I don't need the extra HD space & don't have Rs 1,500 extra. Trust me, even 80 GB is enough if you manage the harddisk like I do. Besides, I m no movie buff.
http://computers.listings.ebay.in/Computer-Components_Cabinets_W0QQsacatZ3669QQsocmdZListingI temList
just see that link for some cool looking budget cabinets

and try to go for one that has a lid/cover for the various ports, which are(read: must be) right in the fro