Windows Vista's 90-Day Report Card

[alsiladka]

Compatibility problems tend to smooth out over time. Twenty thousand device drivers were available when Vista was released, and more are coming out at a rate of 1,600 per month. "We believe about 90% of devices are covered today," says Boettcher.

More than 7,000 applications have received Microsoft's "Works With Vista" designation, but only 1,000 have been "certified" for Vista, a more rigorous process that ensures the highest level of compatibility. Even Microsoft has to prioritize which of its applications get Vista certification first, Boettcher says.

Microsoft says Vista rollouts are in line with its expectations. Two early indicators--support calls and application and device compatibility--are about where it would have expected, Boettcher says. Microsoft last week couldn't name any customers that have deployed Vista on more than a few hundred PCs, but a handful, including the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, plan to have Vista on thousands of PCs by year's end.

In the three months since Vista's business release, there's been only one patch to the operating system. Patch MS07-010 was issued in February to fix a critical vulnerability related to the way the Microsoft Malware Protection Engine parses Portable Document Format, or PDF, files. The vulnerability, while not within Vista itself, could allow an attacker to remotely execute code on a Vista PC.


For a company that's been pounded relentlessly for vulnerabilities in its software, a single patch over three months is cause for celebration, though Microsoft knows better than to call attention to its success. "There will be vulnerabilities found in Vista," says Stephen Toulouse, senior product manager in Microsoft's Trustworthy Computing Group. But no news is good news, and Microsoft, remarkably, has no patches planned for March.


Source (http://news.yahoo.com/s/cmp/20070311/tc_cmp/197801766&printer=1;_ylt=AgEZGnJ5Bo_ISxC49Cnu7cM4k4gC)

[nepcker]

Here's the moral of the story:Don't upgrade to Windows Vista just yet, ot preferably, not at all.

[kirangp]

MS are doing their bit for Vista..Hardly any vulnerabilities have been found in Vista which itself speaks that Vista is turning out to be more secure than its predecessor.Well we will have to wait for atleast 3 more months before deciding the verdict but still half battle for MS is won.The market penetration will depend on how Microsoft play their cards well & rethink the pricing...Otherwise it will take longer than expected & by that time Vienna will be out

[Pathik]

many people are still not upgrading to vista bcoz of the price + they dont find anything wrong in vista.. + device driver unavailability... + lesser app compatibility than xp..

[kirangp]

ya it is still 90 days over na..They will do it..Compatibility & support issues will be solved but the main hindrance will be price...That is what is in MS's hands..Lets see what they do..

[aryayush]

Otherwise it will take longer than expected & by that time Vienna will be outDon't bet your cards on that, mate - Vienna is a gonna take a long time to materialise. Microsoft themselves have pegged the release date as 2011, which when translated from PR-speak probably means somewhere around 2015. Vista will have a long time to get cosy. :)

[kirangp]

Don't bet your cards on that, mate - Vienna is a gonna take a long time to materialise. Microsoft themselves have pegged the release date as 2011, which when translated from PR-speak probably means somewhere around 2015. Vista will have a long time to get cosy. :)


I had read somewhere that future OSes will not take as much time as MS took for Vista...So they are telling a date between 2009-2011 & that I personally feel is true.Because of Service packs for Xp they had to halt the development of Vista & remove some of the features which I think will be brought back in Vienna & they have also said that they have had enough of Start MENU system & they will bring a revolutionary interface...Not much is known about it...They might release some sneak peaks only after Vista is stablized not until that

[aryayush]

Well, you cannot expect them to tell you that the expected date is 2011 but we will delay it as usual. They will obviously tell you that it won't be delayed this time. That is called PR-speak. :)

[kirangp]

Hehe...u r hellbent on finding out some or the other flaw with MS....Anywayz I have a feeling that this time MS might actually get the OS out on time :)

[gxsaurav]

Well, you cannot expect them to tell you that the expected date is 2011 but we will delay it as usual. They will obviously tell you that it won't be delayed this time. That is called PR-speak. :)

Here is the thing, Vista is the base for next OS from Microsoft. With Vista Microsoft has developed many technologies for the next decade. DirectX, WDDM & a lot more which i have already mentioned numuras time.

With Vienna, MS already has a solid foundation in the form of Vista. Now all they have to do is to add new features & a lot new things & technologies (SAS etc).

Next OS from MS will come earlier then we expect. If you are having no problems with Windows XP & don't need the features of XP, it would be better to skip vista all together.

[aryayush]

Yeah, well, let's hope what they are saying is true.

[freshseasons]

I dont think its the price that is making people not upgrade to VISTA. Its the lack of proper working crack that is makeing people not upgrade. Dish me a free copy of Vista and see if i dont upgrade atleast for 4 days..

[aryayush]

There are quite a few working cracks for Vista floating around, you just need to look at the right places. ;)

By the way, market analysts do not take into account the users who upgrade with the help of piracy anyway.

[kirangp]

@freshseasons
First is the price factor because Vista is the costliest Microsoft OS released until now & second is the hardware upgrade required..These 2 are the main factors which are contributing for less sales of Vista...And Vista's Trial period protection was cracked the day it hit the market...As aryayush said..you have to look in not so hidden places to find that kind of stuff;)

[gxsaurav]

@freshseasons
First is the price factor because Vista is the costliest Microsoft OS released until now & second is the hardware upgrade required..These 2 are the main factors which are contributing for less sales of Vista...And Vista's Trial period protection was cracked the day it hit the market...As aryayush said..you have to look in not so hidden places to find that kind of stuff;)

Oh comon.....enough with the "You need to upgrade the hardware to use Vista" Bull crap, nothing like that is required. It runs fine on your current hardware. I m runing it fine on my 3+ years old PC desktop

[kirangp]

U may be running it but I know many users who are hesitant to even think about Vista with the system they are running...Xp only doesnt run properly forget Vista & that is not bullcrap..that is the fact

[gxsaurav]

U may be running it but I know many users who are hesitant to even think about Vista with the system they are running...Xp only doesnt run properly forget Vista & that is not bullcrap..that is the fact

Oh plz, try runing Vista on your PC too once.

[kirangp]

buddy Saurav...My h/w will have no probs running Vista at all with all functionalities enabled..I just dont have the cash rite now to buy it :(..I am talking about others' dude...anywayz y r we arguing????dude even I am a MS supporter like u..lolz

[gxsaurav]

it's not about supporting. It's about efficiency & awareness. I hope u know how we PC guys act mature. Plz do so....

Remembar, you can legally use vista for 30 days without even entering a key.

[aryayush]

Vista will run on three year old PCs but it will run incredibly slow. It will run slow on anything less than 1.5 GB of RAM and dedicated graphics card.

I hope u know how we PC guys act mature.http://forums.wirenine.com/images/smilies/animated/roflmao.gif :lol: http://soccergrip.com/forum/Smileys/default/roflmao.gif http://forums.wirenine.com/images/smilies/animated/roflmao.gif :lol: http://soccergrip.com/forum/Smileys/default/roflmao.gif http://forums.wirenine.com/images/smilies/animated/roflmao.gif :lol: http://soccergrip.com/forum/Smileys/default/roflmao.gif http://forums.wirenine.com/images/smilies/animated/roflmao.gif :lol: http://soccergrip.com/forum/Smileys/default/roflmao.gif http://forums.wirenine.com/images/smilies/animated/roflmao.gif :lol: http://soccergrip.com/forum/Smileys/default/roflmao.gif

[kirangp]

Well Aryayush u changed posts twice...Now my previous post gave a complete new meaning to it...so am editing...Well saurav is right...No use arguing with Aryayush all the time...I have better work to do instead of lecturing Arya about Vista(Even if I lecture also,whats the use??)

[gxsaurav]

Vista will run on three year old PCs but it will run incredibly slow. It will run slow on anything less than 1.5 GB of RAM and dedicated graphics card.

http://forums.wirenine.com/images/smilies/animated/roflmao.gif :lol: http://soccergrip.com/forum/Smileys/default/roflmao.gif http://forums.wirenine.com/images/smilies/animated/roflmao.gif :lol: http://soccergrip.com/forum/Smileys/default/roflmao.gif http://forums.wirenine.com/images/smilies/animated/roflmao.gif :lol: http://soccergrip.com/forum/Smileys/default/roflmao.gif http://forums.wirenine.com/images/smilies/animated/roflmao.gif :lol: http://soccergrip.com/forum/Smileys/default/roflmao.gif http://forums.wirenine.com/images/smilies/animated/roflmao.gif :lol: http://soccergrip.com/forum/Smileys/default/roflmao.gif

1.5 GB, yo....get real & try using it properly. I m using it with 1 GB RAM fine, even multitasking (Browsing in firefox, music & chating while rendering in 3Ds Max 9) & get out of misconception that it will run slow without a graphics card

[alsiladka]

you can run vista for 120 days without entering a key, legally ;)


Had Microsoft kept the price a lot lesser, it would have certainly sold much better in india. Hm like say Rs.10000 for Ultimate would have been too much of a tempting offer , atleast for me :D

[kirangp]

am planning to take Basic Edition & enable Aero Glass..Well how much is the cost of Basic Version & home Premium???Anyone??

[gxsaurav]

Do net get Home Basic if aero is your requirment. Home basic has no support for Aero. Get home premium

[kirangp]

ya I know about aero not being in Vista Basic as default but there is a registry loophole in Home basic through which u can get Aero working ....that was the reason I was asking about Home basic...

[aryayush]

Agar illegal kaam karna hi hai to khareed hi kyun raha hai, bhaai! :p

And I thought we were having a discussion pretty amicably. If you don't want to, it's your choice. I am not very interested in listening to lectures anyway. :)

[gxsaurav]

ya I know about aero not being in Vista Basic as default but there is a registry loophole in Home basic through which u can get Aero working ....that was the reason I was asking about Home basic...

That registry tweak doesn't work with all the graphics card out there

[kirangp]

First thing is...It is just simple registry editing & I think it is not illegal...well about the discussion.. what u said was true.. but what I meant was that even if I lecture u,the outcomewill be..there is as good as a possibility of lifeforms on Moon(about u switching to Vista) & there is as good possibility of me owning Apple(me switching to Mac)...No offence meant ..hehe
__________
@saurav
Oh didnt know that...damn...then nothing but Home premium I guess..My crappy luck...

[Possible]

1.5 GB, yo....get real & try using it properly. I m using it with 1 GB RAM fine, even multitasking (Browsing in firefox, music & chating while rendering in 3Ds Max 9) & get out of misconception that it will run slow without a graphics card
It runs fine even on a 512 MB RAM system with a considerably powerful processor, but I disagree on your point that it will not run slow even without a graphics card. I tried it both with and without a graphics card. (Board's 945, and card's Fx 5200, both bare minimums) If you run aero, seperate vRAM does make a staggering change in the window manager's responsiveness.

[blackpearl]

Vista runs fine with onboard graphics and aero enabled (tested on Intel 945). But memory requiremts is a bit steep. 512MB is bare minumum. Its like running Win XP with 128MB RAM. It will run but will be sluggish.

[Possible]

@blackpearl
Right as you are, try it now with a card instead of the 945 onboard. A 512 would suffice then. Cause Aero uses the vRAM alone and leaves your RAM free.

[aryayush]

I ran it on a system that has the nVidia 6600GT 256MB graphics card installed and has 512 MB of RAM. It has the Intel Pentium 4 2.66 GHz processor.

Though it runs fine with Aero enabled, it is painfully slow.

[casanova]

vista runs fine on my pc. But still use XP for program compatibilities

[gxsaurav]

I ran it on a system that has the nVidia 6600GT 256MB graphics card installed and has 512 MB of RAM. It has the Intel Pentium 4 2.66 GHz processor.

Though it runs fine with Aero enabled, it is painfully slow.

A few things, Which version of Vista was it? Did you installed final RTM compatible drivers with it? What chipset was it?

I am upgrading my Vista RTM user review thread. With working 3ds Max & After effect 7, i m now switching to Windows Vista compleately with Windows XP only in VM

[kirangp]

I ran it on a system that has the nVidia 6600GT 256MB graphics card installed and has 512 MB of RAM. It has the Intel Pentium 4 2.66 GHz processor.

Though it runs fine with Aero enabled, it is painfully slow.


I dont believe it...You and installing Vista:shock:...lolz:D...so my lecture isnt vain after all;)

[aryayush]

I always try the latest betas of software, like to be on the cutting edge. And on my PC, I cannot install Mac OS X and I don't really like using Linux, so Vista is the next best thing. I won't use it, after all - it will be my brother. (Though he is clamouring for an iMac after having used Mac OS X at Mayo College and on my MacBook Pro. :lol: )
And I don't want to make ignorant posts about other operating systems so I use them before commenting on them, unlike most other people here. :)

It is the Vista RC1. Will the final release run faster? I did not install it because I thought it wouldn't really make any difference in performance.

[tarey_g]

RC1 and the final build have a huge difference in performance. And the system you installed vista on is a good enough system for vista coz i had the same system some days ago and vista was fine on it.

Currently i have a AMD Athlon x2 3600+ with Asus M2N-MX board and 512 MB DDR2 and it runs vista fine. I recommend to get 1 GB RAM but it still runs fine on 512 . As i have a PC it will be easy for me to go to the market any day i have cash in my pocket, and spend 2000/- for a extra 512MB stick. Modular upgrading , thats what i like to do. Next thing for me :D is to get a graphis card of my choice (Mid/low range Nvidia 8 series card :p) within my budget for my gaming needs and i can upgrade that too when needed (or when i have cash :) ).

[alsiladka]

It is the Vista RC1. Will the final release run faster? I did not install it because I thought it wouldn't really make any difference in performance.

RC1 was the Release Candidate, which was later optimized and debugged. Man, you really asking wether an Final Release would be better than the RC? Go for the final ASAP, it is gonna be much better than RC1.

[kirangp]

no use telling him man...He is not gonna buy it & use it...Aryayush if u r not goin to buy for urself atleast send one Home Premium to me as a gift..:)

[gxsaurav]

It is the Vista RC1. Will the final release run faster? I did not install it because I thought it wouldn't really make any difference in performance.

Plz do not use Windows Vista anymore, you really don't know anything about OS & PCs :D. Have mercy on the soul of PC, thats the most funniest comment I have ever heard. Even a new user knows this that Final version is better then beta.

RC1 was tooo old, not fully compatible drivers & a lot of debug code. About 95% MB of debug code is removed by going to Vista RTM. I have to say there is still debug code in a few places in Vista, but they don't make much difference anyway. They come into account only when you have a memory error etc

I ran it on a system that has the nVidia 6600GT 256MB graphics card installed and has 512 MB of RAM. It has the Intel Pentium 4 2.66 GHz processor

This computer is super solid & good enough for Vista boy. Just get 1 GB RAM, it's not very costly & u can upgrade anytime to more RAM. Also get the proper drivers. Since you do not game, u don't have to worry about frequesnt driver updates to. you can also make a slipstreamed Vista DVD using WAIK

@Tarey

fu**, nice computer man, wanna donate it for some rendering :D. I m myself buying a cheap AGP 6600GT\7300GT with 256 MB RAM, for non-gaming needs. Finally saling my FX 5900XT

[tarey_g]

@Tarey

fu**, nice computer man, wanna donate it for some rendering :D. I m myself buying a cheap AGP 6600GT\7300GT with 256 MB RAM, for non-gaming needs. Finally saling my FX 5900XT

My comp is not nice yet , but i hope it will be soon. Just some investment and i'll be gaming again. I sold my 6600gt coz i was not able to play the new games and bad console ports on good settings.

[gxsaurav]

Which 6600GT was it. AGP? For what price U sold it

[aryayush]

Plz do not use Windows Vista anymore, you really don't know anything about OS & PCs :D. Have mercy on the soul of PC, thats the most funniest comment I have ever heard. Even a new user knows this that Final version is better then beta.You are such a big jerk! No wonder it is impossible to have a civil conversation with you. :mad:
Here I was trying to get some help because it was running very slow on my machine. I didn't know that there would be a huge difference between the release candidate and final version. And that is generally the case. Once a software is out of beta, it almost as good as the final version. Nowadays, most software functions absolutely fine even in the beta stages.
All you should have said, if you had even the slightest hint of any online etiquette in you, is that the final version will run fine on my PC and that I should give it a try. But no, you have to load every single post you make with such crap!

You mocked me for being eighteen. LOL! I am glad that I have more sense at eighteen than you have managed to acquire at the grand old age of twenty two. Grow up.


@Others who are interested in knowing if it is running fine on my machine now, if there are any:
I am installing it at present and hoping it runs fast enough to at least be usable. I cannot upgrade my RAM at present. :(

[gxsaurav]

You are such a big jerk! No wonder it is impossible to have a civil conversation with you. :mad:
Here I was trying to get some help because it was running very slow on my machine. I didn't know that there would be a huge difference between the release candidate and final version. And that is generally the case. Once a software is out of beta, it almost as good as the final version. Nowadays, most software functions absolutely fine even in the beta stages.

:D:D boys whining....anyway, if u need help in Vista ask in the software troubleshooting section. Post your PC specs, & hardware info such as Chipset motherboard etc. & Make sure it's RTM

[tarey_g]

Which 6600GT was it. AGP? For what price U sold it

AGP
5500/-