All Graphics Cards related queries here.

[deathvirus_me]

yes yes. ... 7600GT is like 2*6600GT ... get a 7600GT now .. and then later get a G80/G81 when they're released ...

[akshayt]

7600GT > 6600GT SLi overall imo.

why did you get X2 4200 with 6600GT, rather get amd 3000 64 with radeon 1900XT.

Anyway, I suggest:
sell the CPU and try to get around 10-12k from it, in a few days prices will fall by a very very large margin, you have to do all this now. Sell your mobo if you think that gives more than 7-8k.
Sell your ram becasue corsair value select will give you problem with that mobo and if you have xms then that will sell for a significan amount, whether or not you upgrade anything , you can't use corsair value select, me too had problem with asus mobo, not this one, but this series will probly give you problems.
CPU: 10-12k
MB : assume 7k now, depepends on the price of new mobo, if you get less than 6500-7000 then don't sell, no point
RAM: 3k for value select
graphic card: 4k
you have:10k
total: almost 30k

Get Amd 64 3000 - 3500 ( rs5700 for 3500)
asus a8n e for around 5500 if you need
2X1gb ddr 400 transcend (consult me about chips) : 7.8-10k depending upon place etc, try to get in 8500
Radeon X1800GTO for the rest
later you sell your Amd 64 3000 and get X2 3800 or Intel Conroe.

[deathvirus_me]

He already has a X2 4200+ .. why would he sell it off ?? RU nuts ??

[Geforce]

I woulld recommend you wait till the price of 7900GT comes around 14k mark.

Right now you can "play" all the games with that card actually (except oblivion at med-high) ....so whats the point upgrading to quickly.....

performance wise: 2*7600GT = 7900GT (cost wise: 2*12.5k=25k > 18k )

So buy 7900GT after a while. In future when Directx10 games hit the market 7900GT will be able to handle those games much better than 7600GT. Also you have an SLI system ..... just think of the power of 2*7900GT sometime in future. :-)

[deathvirus_me]

Well .. Oblivion can be tweaked to run on the 7600GT properly .. i ran the game at 1280*768 , 4xaa , Bloom , maxed settings with a tweaked ini .. and it ran smooth enough ... >25 fps outside (quite good) .. and over 70 fps indoors ... and the 7600GT does almost the same .. so its quite a good opt for now ...

[Kniwor]

ok guys i am getting a 7600GT tomorrow..... just confused over MSI and XFX.... i think i'll go with XFX....

mind changed... MSI one is better... better cooling... silent... and hence great for overclocking..

[rahul_becks23]

MSI and XFX.....is there any price difference btw them for their 7600GTs.

[Kniwor]

MSI is cheaper, but the default core speed is 580 and only 2 year full warranty.. but has great cooling and also has VIVO

XFX has double lifetime warranty, has core clock speed 590 by default..
so at default speed XFX is a bit faster... just a little bit, not practically differentiable..


BUT MSI, this baby is made to be overclocked... so if u are not an overclocker.. XFX is good..

and XFX looks great MSI looks bad... but i still prefer MSI

MSI is cheaper, but the default core speed is 580 and only 2 year full warranty.. but has great cooling and also has VIVO

XFX has double lifetime warranty, has core clock speed 590 by default..
so at default speed XFX is a bit faster... just a little bit, not practically differentiable..


BUT MSI, this baby is made to be overclocked... so if u are not an overclocker.. XFX is good..

and XFX looks great MSI looks bad... but i still prefer MSI

[rahul_becks23]

i asked the price and u gave ur comments twice...lol...anyways,thanks.
ok,tell me the price difference now.

[Kniwor]

MSI and XFX.....is there any price difference btw them for their 7600GTs.

this questions just asked if there is any price diff.. and i told you that...

well i am getting MSI 7600GT for 11k and XFX one for 11.5k

[samanvya_ad]

7600GT > 6600GT SLi overall imo.

why did you get X2 4200 with 6600GT, rather get amd 3000 64 with radeon 1900XT.

Anyway, I suggest:
sell the CPU and try to get around 10-12k from it, in a few days prices will fall by a very very large margin, you have to do all this now. Sell your mobo if you think that gives more than 7-8k.
Sell your ram becasue corsair value select will give you problem with that mobo and if you have xms then that will sell for a significan amount, whether or not you upgrade anything , you can't use corsair value select, me too had problem with asus mobo, not this one, but this series will probly give you problems.
CPU: 10-12k
MB : assume 7k now, depepends on the price of new mobo, if you get less than 6500-7000 then don't sell, no point
RAM: 3k for value select
graphic card: 4k
you have:10k
total: almost 30k

Get Amd 64 3000 - 3500 ( rs5700 for 3500)
asus a8n e for around 5500 if you need
2X1gb ddr 400 transcend (consult me about chips) : 7.8-10k depending upon place etc, try to get in 8500
Radeon X1800GTO for the rest
later you sell your Amd 64 3000 and get X2 3800 or Intel Conroe.


I am NOT selling my CPU for a mere AMD 3000+ this is the best thing i ever had in my life...Along with A8NE-SLI mobo and 6600GT it gives great performance.... As i said I am not facing any problems right now... Its just that i have got 10,000 bucks in my hand i want to invest it somewhere in my comp....I have 560GB hdd so buying another is no use.... And as someone said he can't run FEAR on above 1024x768 resolution on 6600gt based card.... I tried it at 1024x768 high settings with AF at 4x n AA at 2x and got an average of 52-55 fps.... I prefer to wait till price comes down

[deathvirus_me]

I am NOT selling my CPU for a mere AMD 3000+ this is the best thing i ever had in my life...Along with A8NE-SLI mobo and 6600GT it gives great performance.... As i said I am not facing any problems right now... Its just that i have got 10,000 bucks in my hand i want to invest it somewhere in my comp....I have 560GB hdd so buying another is no use.... And as someone said he can't run FEAR on above 1024x768 resolution on 6600gt based card.... I tried it at 1024x768 high settings with AF at 4x n AA at 2x and got an average of 52-55 fps.... I prefer to wait till price comes down

@samanvya_ad : Don't listen to that guy .. he probably lost his nuts ...

Also .. the A8N-E is not an SLi mobo .... its a nForce 4 ultra mobo , not and nForce4 SLi mobo .. For 10k's i'd suggest u to get a 7600GT (should cost a tad more) ... thats almost like 2*6600GT ...

[akshayt]

1) Amd 3000 + Geforce 7600GT will easily beat his system. PERIOD 7900GT will be even better.
Just have a look at how much the processor affects your games.

http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/cpu-games2.html
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/fear_cpu_performance/
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/half_life_2_cpu_shootout/
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/oblivion_athlon_64_x2_fx_cpu_performance/
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html

Compare this to the amount of difference a better GPU can make to you. Then that mere 3000+ will beat your X2, even if you had X2 4800 and imaginarily oced to 6000+ speeds.


2) Don't wait for 7900GT to come down to 14k in prices.
a)I don't think that this is going to happen very soon and you need an upgradation immediately.
b)By the time it comes down to that price you will need to upgrade to something better, that waiting is only recommended if you are going to use your 7900GT for around 1.5-2yrs or so.
c)14k is not very far away from todays prices.

3) You can't play any game at maxed settings with that card.
FEAR : 10X med
MW: 10X7 med - high
Oblivion: 800*600 low as per firingsquad.com
GRAW: crap at 800*600 lowest
Timeshift: 1024*768 low to med
Quke 4: 10X7 med i think should be ok

your card is not ok. PERIOD

4) 7900GTX>7600GT SLi>7900GT

5) None of todays cards will be ok at handling Dx 10 games, all current cards will run them in Dx 9 mode and the only cards which will actually be able to even consider running them well may be 1900xt or atmost 7900gtx class. 7900GT and 1800xt might be able to do ok. don't expect anything much out of a 7600gt in dx 10.

If you buy a 7900GT it is only to play current games, not future games, atmost near future.

6)XFX is a very good buy at 11500 for 7600GT I think, the cheapest i have heard is 10.5k. xfx has double lifetime in USA, in India it should be only 3yrs.

7)I don't think there will be much if at all diff in 7600GT overclockability, if you get the same cooling, but should be fine.


8) @ rahul, what do you want to know?

9)6600GT can't give ok performance even with Intel X6800. at least if you play at 10X7 or higher with high/maxed settings.

10) A8N E is neforce 4 ultra, but it has good oc, stable and a good mobo, decent price.

[deathvirus_me]

3) You can't play any game at maxed settings with that card.
FEAR : 10X med
MW: 10X7 med - high
Oblivion: 800*600 low as per firingsquad.com
GRAW: crap at 800*600 lowest
Timeshift: 1024*768 low to med
Quke 4: 10X7 med i think should be ok

your card is not ok. PERIOD

Are u nuts ?? Oh sorry u lost them .. oops ....

Amd 3000 + Geforce 7600GT will easily beat his system. PERIOD 7900GT will be even better.
Just have a look at how much the processor affects your games.

Ofcourse it'll beat the X2 4200+ with the 6600GT , the 7600GT is twice as good as the 6600GT is not less ... phew ,,, ur indeed insane .. u need to get laid dude ... imagine the the 7600GT with the X2 4200+ dumbo ...

[akshayt]

Even a Amd 3000 64 Venice + 7900GT > X2 4200 + 7600GT

[birbal]

Hello guys,
This XFX Geforce 7300GS model is available in Mumbai ?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150128
Or please recommend me any other good models.
My vendor has only Bigmake 7300GS ? how is this model ?

[akshayt]

7300GT preferably GDDR3

[pop143]

i want to know the performance of ""

XFX GeForce FX 5200 256MB AGP 8x"""" card in good recent games?? can i go fo it..?? is it valuable to get this card..????

if not , wots the good card availaible for 5-6 k rs ..in the market..!!

[Kniwor]

ok i just got the XFX nVidia 7600GT for 11.5k

enjoying it

[birbal]

Please any one can suggest me good garphic card under 5 K. I am not hardcore gamer so can compromise with performance.
Please give me exact brand & model number & also suggest me good shop to buy from Lamington road other than Prime ABGB.

[deathvirus_me]

Even a Amd 3000 64 Venice + 7900GT > X2 4200 + 7600GT

everybody knows that its better , coz of the 7900GT u fkr .. that doesn't mean u own a X2 4200+ and sell it to get a 3000+ ... what went wrong when ur born ?? u are really sick ??? Why am i even answering ur post ....

[Kniwor]

lol...

anyhow just for u guys knowledge if someone goes to get a 7600GT

the guys here are dumb and will not be able to give u info about the cards..

u wont get the big cooler MSI card atleast in kolkata... also not the 590/1600 XFX one, we got only the cheapest alternatives in india, at high rates...

both the MSI and XFX one are 560/1400 and i got the XFX one

[deathvirus_me]

XFX has really awesome cards .. and those surely do 600/1600 ..

[akshayt]

Man ,are you sane?

If amd 3000 with 7900GT beats the x4200, then why can't he sell it, after all the final thing we try to achive is max performance.

Fx 5200 can't play the latest games or for that matter many games that were released a year ago and even some games that were released even before even at the lowest settings.

Even Doom3 which was released maybe 1.5-2yrs ago will run crap even at the lowest settings.

You can't play todays games with a FX 5200.

At minimum you should get 6600GT or above.

[shellgame]

Which is the best graphics card costing around 10000?How much does
7600gt & 7900gt cost?

[akshayt]

7600GT: 10.5k or up
7900GT : 17.5k or up

[ritwickgupta]

hi techies.........
i am in a mood to buy a 7900gt card but hav got very bad reviews for it. ppl hav told me that it fails in a month or so. shud i go for it or not?????? which is another gud alternative????? i guess there is 3 yrs warrnty in xfx gpx cards???? wudnt it b safe then??????
help me plz

[rahul_becks23]

i have FX 5200 128 MB.
I have overclocked it from 250(C)-333(M) to 320(C),450(M) and i have played every game on it.
Here r some of latest games(in terms of graphics) and the settings i have played them on at near or more than 30 FPS.........

---Doom 3 n ROE............High quality at 800*600(everything ON except Shadows).---Just believe this......i still got 26FPS...playable.
---Quake 4...........Same settings as Doom 3.....but better performance.Kudos to ID.
---NFS Most Wanted.........Medium quality at 800*600(by keeping some latest settings like Bloom,Blur OFF).
---Half Life 2 and Episode One.......1024*768...(DirectX 8-hardware level)Most details at high settings but 1 or 2 settings like Water detail,Shader model detail at medium.
---F.E.A.R...........800*600(i tweaked this game SO MUCH that i cant discuss all the settings i got into....i took more than 4-5 hours tweaking it) and at a little low than Medium settings,i got a little low than 30 FPS.
---Call Of Duty 2......1024*768( DirectX 8 )ALL the settings at Max except Shadows(it was possible cuz its at DirectX 8 level).
---The LoTR The BFME.....800*600 at some settings OFF and few settings at Medium.
---POP trilogy.....1024*768 at High Settings and only 2 or 3 settings at Off/Low.
---GTA San Andreas....1024*786 at Low settings.
---Farcry.....800*600 at Medium settings(This also tweaked SO MUCH that i cant discuss all the settings here).
---Halo.....800*600, some effects at Medium settings n Low settings n 1 or 2 at High settings.

So u can expect an FX 5200(Overclocked as mine is) to run some good games even today although turning LATEST GRAPHICAL EFFECTS at LOW/OFF and some COMMON EFFECTS st MEDIUM and VERY FEW at HIGH and still get a gr8 gaming experience.
I think my G C can still get me thru 5 or 6 months,THE TIME when a game will barely be able to run at 640*480 and lowest settings and i think games like Gears Of War/Crysis/Halo 2 can do that.
But what the heck,that was what i thought before the release of Quake 4 n F.E.A.R.
So,this was it.....now i'll be going for Oblivion n Adv. Warf. n Prey and give them a shot.
---Peace---

[akshayt]

1) You haved oced quite a lot.
2) 30 fps is not enough for each game. Also there is a significant diff between 26 and 30 since you are already getting so low fps.
3) Please mention your entire system.
4) How are you calculating the fps? Are you actually playing it as well to meansure how smooth is it?

AFAIK doom 3 runs crap on a fx 5200 at 640*480 low, the settings you mention, to play at those you need a radeon 9700pro or atleast a 9600pro. Also, 30fps is not enough for doom3. The very very minimum is 40-50fps for doom3. I would recommend 50-60fps for a game like doom3 and quake 4 though. So your first point doesn't make sense,
1) You are only getting 2/3 or half the minimum fps.
2) You are not able to give enough proof for these observations which are unheard of.

I also ran Quake 4 or its demo and Quake 4 demo was much much worse than Doom3. I was playing Doom3 at 12X10 UQ and Quake 4 at 10X7 High, so what you are saying can't be true. You will need to justify your claims.

MW needs atleast 38-42 fps for smooth gameplay. Also, to play at those settigns you will atleast need a 9600pro class.

HL2 automatically turns to dx 8 or dx 8.1 whatever it is on FX cards, if you force dx 9 you will see. Anyway, I doubt whether a FX 5200 can do as much.

FEAR CANNOT run on a FX 5200 at 800*600 even lowest, to play at those settings you will need atleast a 9600 level card if not more. Please tell us about your tweaking.

COD2 has Dx 9 and Dx 7 mode, no DX 8 AFAIK.

Don't know about LOTR.

San Andreas should be crap at any setting , right? 10X7 low is unlikely.

To play Fear Cry at those settings a
FX 5200 is pretty less. May ve aradeon 9600 class will be ok.

Please justify your claims using FRAPS. Play each game for 5 min and show us the file in which you record it.

You can't expect a FX 5200 to play todays games at any settings.

[akshayt]

1) You haved oced quite a lot.
2) 30 fps is not enough for each game. Also there is a significant diff between 26 and 30 since you are already getting so low fps.
3) Please mention your entire system.
4) How are you calculating the fps? Are you actually playing it as well to meansure how smooth is it?

AFAIK doom 3 runs crap on a fx 5200 at 640*480 low, the settings you mention, to play at those you need a radeon 9700pro or atleast a 9600pro. Also, 30fps is not enough for doom3. The very very minimum is 40-50fps for doom3. I would recommend 50-60fps for a game like doom3 and quake 4 though. So your first point doesn't make sense,
1) You are only getting 2/3 or half the minimum fps.
2) You are not able to give enough proof for these observations which are unheard of.

I also ran Quake 4 or its demo and Quake 4 demo was much much worse than Doom3. I was playing Doom3 at 12X10 UQ and Quake 4 at 10X7 High, so what you are saying can't be true. You will need to justify your claims.

MW needs atleast 38-42 fps for smooth gameplay. Also, to play at those settigns you will atleast need a 9600pro class.

HL2 automatically turns to dx 8 or dx 8.1 whatever it is on FX cards, if you force dx 9 you will see. Anyway, I doubt whether a FX 5200 can do as much.

FEAR CANNOT run on a FX 5200 at 800*600 even lowest, to play at those settings you will need atleast a 9600 level card if not more. Please tell us about your tweaking.

COD2 has Dx 9 and Dx 7 mode, no DX 8 AFAIK.

Don't know about LOTR.

San Andreas should be crap at any setting , right? 10X7 low is unlikely.

To play Fear Cry at those settings a
FX 5200 is pretty less. May ve aradeon 9600 class will be ok.

Please justify your claims using FRAPS. Play each game for 5 min and show us the file in which you record it.

You can't expect a FX 5200 to play todays games at any settings.

[pop143]

hi friends, that for the info abt usiing fx 5200 ; sure it wud be helpful to all;

am just planning to buy a low range card and us it at max level and throw off...

all ue reveiw was fine; thanks byee

[akshayt]

@pop, low end:

6600GT
7300GT
class

Entry Level:
Geforce 6600
Geforce 7300GS
class

as for 7900GT as long as you are buying from India, let warranty take care of you, go ahead

[samrulez]

hi friends, that for the info abt usiing fx 5200 ; sure it wud be helpful to all;

am just planning to buy a low range card and us it at max level and throw off...

all ue reveiw was fine; thanks byee

Well....FX 5200 is ..... so get atlest a 6200 or 6600...the price difference won't be much.....

[rahul_becks23]

@ akshayt-
u just have to believe it,but if u dont,what the heck,i dont care.

[liquid_nitrogen88]

Top 10 Graphics Cards:

01)nVidia GeForce 7900 GTX
02)ATI Radeon X1900
03)ATI Radeon X1800 XT
04)nVidia GeForce 7800 GTX
05)nVidia GeForce 6800 GT
06)ATI Radeon X850 XT
07)nVidia GeForce 6600 GT
08)ATI Radeon X1600 XT
09)ATI Radeon X700
10)ATI Radeon X1300 Pro

Waiting for comments....

[akshayt]

Top 10graphics cards: 100% incorrect all I can say

Now I give you a list of top 10 cards which are mostly better in most games than the successor and in most cases the one I would choose. I am not mentioning overclocked versions.

Geforce 7900GX2 : Quad SLi( I think 4 cards stacked on one)


Geforce 7950GX2 : Two underclocked 7900GTXs stacked on on


Radeon X1900XTX
Radeon X1900XT
Geforce 7900GTX

Radeon X1800XT 512mb
Geforce 7900GT 512mb/Geforce 7800GTX 512mb(not recommended and obsolete)


Radeon X1800XT 256mb
Geforce 7900GT 256mn ( Geforce 7800GTX 256mb, not recommended and obsolete)

Two gap represents that the cards lie in a completely different league while one gap represents that they lie in a different league but with less difference than with 2 gaps as an overall buying point of view and all.

[birbal]

Guys,
I am getting brand new XFS 7300GS for Rs 3000.00 ...should I get it for this price ? I am not hardcore gammer but I guess I can play few games on this card also.

[samanvya_ad]

So what should i do... wait a little for price of 7900GT to come down or sell my 6600GT n get a 7600GT....

[akshayt]

By the time the price of a 7900GT comes down either better cards will be available for more or less the same price or that card would not longer be considered that good or if neither of the two happen, then some thing around the corner will make you feel outdated.

Get a 7900GT now. if you really have money problems then instead of 7900GT get a 1800GTO

[liquid_nitrogen88]

Top 10graphics cards: 100% incorrect all I can say
100%???why?u break my heart pal :-(

Now I give you a list of top 10 cards which are mostly better in most games than the successor and in most cases the one I would choose. I am not mentioning overclocked versions.
Geforce 7900GX2 : Quad SLi( I think 4 cards stacked on one)
Geforce 7950GX2 : Two underclocked 7900GTXs stacked on on

U got any comparison charts where these 2-3 month old graphics cards r compared with older ones?


Radeon X1900XTX
Radeon X1900XT
Geforce 7900GTX
Radeon X1800XT 512mb
Geforce 7900GT 512mb/Geforce 7800GTX 512mb(not recommended and obsolete)
Radeon X1800XT 256mb
Geforce 7900GT 256mn ( Geforce 7800GTX 256mb, not recommended and obsolete)

Surprise!!! please find all these in my post too.......................

[Kniwor]

So what should i do... wait a little for price of 7900GT to come down or sell my 6600GT n get a 7600GT....

that's what i did just 2 days back... got a 7600GT, and sold my 6600GT

if u wait.. 6600GT will further get cheaper and u'll loose money, and 7600GT can handle almost everything right now...

[deathvirus_me]

Yes yes .. the 7600GT is quite a good choice for now ... sell of the 6600GT ... 7900GT can be skipped ...

[akshayt]

Your articles.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/15/graphics_card_buyers_guide_2006_part3/

http://www.tomshardware.com/site/vgacharts/index.html

http://xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/powercolor-x1900xt.html

http://xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/nvidia-gf7950gx2.html

http://xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/powercolor-x800gto16.html

http://xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/games-2005.html

[trigger_happy]

Hi guys...........is it viable to overclock an XFX 5200? also how is it done?

[akshayt]

you may be able to oc but still not play the most intensive games of today, actualy even medium extensive games will crush your card really bad.

[cyberzook]

Suggest a card for a budget of 8k. AGP8x.

[pop143]

i have an Intel i845GL motherboard/chipset. I want to know whether i can install any add-on gfx cards. If yes, then which ones(eg.PCI,AGP,PCI-e)

Thanx


i also have an i845Gl chipset-mobo is MSI-6526 ;

i dont have any PCI-e or agp slots..

to plug a graphics in PCI face..is advisable..?? wot abt performance..???

is there any other way to put an agp card in my mobo..??

can u help me guys..??

bye

[samrulez]

i also have an i845Gl chipset-mobo is MSI-6526 ;

i dont have any PCI-e or agp slots..

to plug a graphics in PCI face..is advisable..?? wot abt performance..???

is there any other way to put an agp card in my mobo..??

can u help me guys..??

bye

Well....u cannot add a AGP or PCIe card in u r system........try to get a PCI based one.....but the performance will be very very poor.....try getting a PCI FX5200

[deathvirus_me]

Suggest a card for a budget of 8k. AGP8x.

6600GT ...

[akshayt]

If you don't have AGP or PCI E:
then jut upgrade, PCI may be a bit more expensive, difficult to find and crappy performance, that old a system can any not play todays games, so there is not much point, rather upgrade the entire rig.

[Kniwor]

6600GT ...

is AGP 6600GT this much costlier

one gan get a 6800XTreme or 7600GS PCI-E for this much

[akshayt]

6600GT is a competitor of 6800XT if not better, a good 6800XT OC 256mb should beat a 6600GT 128mb by a noticeable margin though.

[deathvirus_me]

6800XT is better than the 6600GT .. specially on the AGP platform , coz the core is nv42 one , and can be clocked pretty high ...

[cyberzook]

Can u guys verify the exact price of XFX 6600 GT for me.. (11k somebody told me which I think is very wrong).
I have Frontech 300 W SMPS. I think I have to upgrade this too..
How much is the price of Antec SmartPower 350 SMPS ?
Thanx

[papai_mcc]

6600 GT is 6750+vat
Antec 350w SMPS around 2500

[samanvya_ad]

whats the price of 7600GT n 7900GT (& also plain 7900 if available)

[papai_mcc]

7600GT 10950+vat in kolkata

[mayanksharma]

hmm..well can somebody suggest me choosing between 6600GT and 7600GT?? My budget is around 11000/- .
And yes,one more thing,i mean an AGP card!!
Thanks.

[deathvirus_me]

no 7600GT for AGP ... u can wait as the 7600's agp ver. are on their way ...

[rskbug]

7600gt all the way,,

[akshayt]

7900GT will be around 17-18k at the lowest possible price.

rather getting antec sp350, consider getting cooler master 430 for 2700 or so

7600GT is only for PCI E as of now.

7600GT is much much better than 6600GT or for that matter even better than a 6800GT.

[samanvya_ad]

which brand of 7600GT.. as prices vary a lot... how is BIG 7600 gt n FORSA 7600GT

[akshayt]

Nobody should buy a 6600GT PCI E brand new, rather get a 7600GS for more or less the same price which kicks its ass.
7600GS is around 7k.

Forsa and BIG are the worst brands to opt for, imo.
get xfx, if not then leadtek, if not then asus, it also depends upon importer and all, xfx: best support, from rashi

[samanvya_ad]

then why is ASUS so expensive... and also... BIG n FORSA are dirt cheap... infact much much cheaper than XFX... we can definately find some 7900 series of BIG at price of 7600GT from ASUS....

[rskbug]

BIG and Forsa are Indian companies

but r they reliable ?
and also do they have overclocking potentials ?

Recently read a review of xfx 7300gt ddr2.. the memory and core overlclocked by over 20%
but the Forsa 7300gt, review by anandtech, memory didnot overclock by more than 5 %

[allwyndlima]

BIG and Forsa are Indian companies
Dude Forsa isn't an Indian brand but a Hong Kong based company which also goes by the name of Geniman International Limited.They are authorised Nvidia solutions and have just recently made their entry into our market offering cards are lower prices.

[rskbug]

I thought Forsa was an Indian company...

But the that doesnot answer my question..
are BIG graphic cards as good as the other well established brands like XFX, Gigabyte etc ?

[akshayt]

BIG i think doesn't make its own cards, and its prices are not much cheaper than those of the top brands.

[samanvya_ad]

BIG i think doesn't make its own cards, and its prices are not much cheaper than those of the top brands.

Agreed that products of BIG aren't too great in performance or overclocking but then they are dirt cheap.... Dude when i bought my ASUS 6600GT nearly an 10 months ago i got it for 11900 while at that time BIG's 6600gt was 8900... and performance wise it was little lesser than Asus card.... and as of now... FORSA 7600GS is around 8000 while ASUS 7600GS is around 10000.... I called a dealer in Nehruplace for prices....

[rskbug]

latest price of the BIG 7600gs is 7000rs - Nehru place

[hard_rock]

Hi Guyz, I am a very casual gamer. Not a hard core gamer like you people.
I searched and gathered data by searching but thought to get exact graphics card according to my requirements from u experts. So here are my requirements:

1) I dont play games like Doom3,Unreal, Quake which require high FPS.

2) Want to play games like Splinter Cell,Hitman: Blood money, Half Life 2 , NFS Series and Godfather and other games which has good storyline.

3) It is sufficient if it gives even medium performance at 800x600.

4) It must be AGp 8X card (1.5V). I have AMD Athlon XP 2800+, 512MB RAM, Nforce2 ISP chipset motherboard(With onboard Geforce4MX Gfx card).

5)It must be within 6000Rs. And also please mention how much RAM it has. For eg: 6600GT 256MB RAM. If possible mention the price.

Also mention which brand to buy which is available in Bangalore (If you know) like XFX, Nvidia, Ati etc.

[samrulez]

Get a 6600GT 128MB........it would be under 6k.....the 256MB version would be better....if u can...then go for the 256MB version....

[rskbug]

Hard_rock, you should buy a 7300gt ddr2 card.

Samrulez, 6600gt costs more than 7k.

[hard_rock]

Thanx guys, do you know approx. price of 7300GT. Because I searched the forum and got a link. www.computerwarehousepricelist.com
According to it:

256 MB GF 6600 DDR2 -Rs. 5400
128 MB GF 6600 GT DDR3 - 7500
256 MB GF 6600 GT DDR3 - 9100
256 MB GF 6800 GT DDR3 - 9950

so Non GT version of 6600 is cheaper... What is the difference between GT and Non GT versions.. Is there any CONSIDERABLE difference. Can I opt for that... Or will I get 7300 at around same price.

[ashfame]

GT version has higher clock speeds (GPU & memory) which means better performance.
See this
http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/340/gfxcardsspecsoh9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[rskbug]

Thanx guys, do you know approx. price of 7300GT. Because I searched the forum and got a link. www.computerwarehousepricelist.com
According to it:

256 MB GF 6600 DDR2 -Rs. 5400
128 MB GF 6600 GT DDR3 - 7500
256 MB GF 6600 GT DDR3 - 9100
256 MB GF 6800 GT DDR3 - 9950

so Non GT version of 6600 is cheaper... What is the difference between GT and Non GT versions.. Is there any CONSIDERABLE difference. Can I opt for that... Or will I get 7300 at around same price.

7300gt ddr2 performance is close to that of the 6600gt's.
the thing is 7300gt ddr2 costs only 5900rs (xfx or msi- nehru place) and 6600gt costs in 7k range.

but if you can buy the ddr3 version.. the go for it.

[hard_rock]

Wow... Thanx man for that spec pic. and RSKBUG..So which one will u recommend me the BEST BUY for that money... 7300GT or 6600 Non GT 256MB. How is 6800 GS in comparision with these and how much it costs..

[rahul_becks23]

hey,get 7300GT,this is my best advice to ya.

[hard_rock]

OK... Will u please tell me the price of 7300GT?
Hey now I checked the model on nvidia website
http://www.nvidia.com/page/7300_features.html
Is it only available for PCI-E Express? Coz I have only AGP 8X, 1.5V support. Give me some details...

[rskbug]

Wow... Thanx man for that spec pic. and RSKBUG..So which one will u recommend me the BEST BUY for that money... 7300GT or 6600 Non GT 256MB. How is 6800 GS in comparision with these and how much it costs..

7300gt ddr3 .. but its not available right now in India..
only the ddr2 version is available...
if u want to max returns for ur money.. wait for the DDR3.

[akshayt]

BIG is not dirt cheap, at the moment it is priced at par with others, more or less the same.

Also who says that it has to lack in performance, it might by 2-3% and it might not, depending upon the manufacturer, similaryl you can't say whether it ocs well or not, 7600GT acc to techtree ocs and to me that much oc is not very less.

leadtek 7600gs is for 6500+tax

most/all geforce 7 cards are for pci e, very few may be for agp, one is 7800GS around 18k, not worth it imo.

Games like Hitman 4 and SC are pretty intensive and do need atleast a decent system. Even to play at 800*600 especially with an athlon 2800 class cpu you should get atleast 6600GT class graphic card if not higher, even with that many/some things might be on low. also you should get atleast 1gb ram, anything below is very little imo. Upgrade the entire thing is possible ASAP.

For your budget you won't be able to get a card which completely suits your requirement. At best a geforce 6600 non GT and there is huge performance difference between the two. You have absolutely no choice but to extent your budget to get 6600GT or higher, and preferably 6800GS/GT.

6800GS class if available may be around 10k or so.

With a 6600GS, 128mb or 256mb won't manke any/much diff, but with a 6800GS/GT it probably would. Get 6800GS/GT 256mb or 6600GT 128mb/256mb.

I am not sure whether ddr 2 7300gt equals a 6600gt or not, but a 7300GT GDDR3 may easily beat it, maybe even by avg of 20%!

[rskbug]

BIG is not dirt cheap, at the moment it is priced at par with others, more or less the same.

Also who says that it has to lack in performance, it might by 2-3% and it might not, depending upon the manufacturer, similaryl you can't say whether it ocs well or not, 7600GT acc to techtree ocs and to me that much oc is not very less.

dude, it lacks in overclocking abilities as compared to other brands specifically gigabyte or inno3d etc.

[rahul_becks23]

ok,guys,tell me....
is this the right time to get a XFX 7600GT or should i wait sometime for a better deal afterwards(maybe 7900GT below 15 grands).

[akshayt]

Now is almost as good a time as any, except the fact that whenever you buy a mainstream card you may prefer to play games which are a bit old for then you can raise all the eyecandy and still have no trouble. Once time passes and the price of 7900GT comes down even it would come down to what the 7600GT is today if not worse.

Try to buy a X1800GTO.

[hard_rock]

Is 7300GT available in AGP 8X, and 6600GT?

[deathvirus_me]

not yet .... but a 6600GT is .... and a 6600GT would be better than the 7300GT ...

[Kniwor]

ok,guys,tell me....
is this the right time to get a XFX 7600GT or should i wait sometime for a better deal afterwards(maybe 7900GT below 15 grands).

wait does not mean a thing if u are purchasing comp. periph. 7600GT is a good card and ill play all the games... but X1800GTO is a better option...

see if u can get a powercolor or HIS X1800GTO, in them, 4 extra pipelines can be unlocked to make it a monster in terms of performance.

but i doubt if that is possible, in india, it is costlier than 7600GT in US itself, so here the diff will be more, 7600GT is a great option so to say...

[samanvya_ad]

I am not sure whether ddr 2 7300gt equals a 6600gt or not, but a 7300GT GDDR3 may easily beat it, maybe even by avg of 20%!

Dont know about 7300Gt GDDR3 but DDR2 is no where near 6600GT in performance... my room partner recently bought it and in no matter what games we play 6600GT performs much better than 7300GTddr2

[rskbug]

samanvya, can you put up sum benchies of the ddr2 card.

[akshayt]

GDDR3 is however better probably.

1800GTO should be 1-3k or so more than 7600GT.

[deathvirus_me]

With a 6600GS, 128mb or 256mb won't manke any/much diff, but with a 6800GS/GT it probably would. Get 6800GS/GT 256mb or 6600GT 128mb/256mb.

So i presume ur manufacturing those 6600GS's ???

[samanvya_ad]

samanvya, can you put up sum benchies of the ddr2 card.

Why not.... but dont take it as final as i have AMD x2 4200+ while he has a 3500+ AMD64 but both have ASUS A8NE mobo with 1 GB ram (but whatever game we play we play it at exactly saame settings so as to test whose PC is better ;-) and i dont have 3d mark 06 and many other games... so i m giving results of those game which i have...


score in
3dMARK 03
7300GT (ddr2)- 6780
6600GT- 9015-9100

score in
3DMARK 05
7300GT (ddr2)-3100
6600GT- 4050


UT 2004(1024x 768) (4xAA, 6xAF)
7300GT (ddr2)-142-150FPS
6600GT- 210-215 FPS


QUAKE 4(High NO AA or AF)
7300GT (ddr2)- 85-90FPS
6600GT- 95-100 FPS


FEAR(MAx settings but at 1024x 768 tested by the ingame cimnematic)
7300GT (ddr2)- average FPS- 41 (53% above 30FPS)
6600GT- average FPS- 53 (62% above 30 FPS)

I dont have doom 3 and other games...

[akshayt]

I meant 6600GT.

[rskbug]

Thanks Samanvya

[akshayt]

I suggest that you shouldn't pay much heed to 3d mark scores, they are highly misleading in the light of real world performance.

And the very fact that the difference in performance between 3d mark 2006 to 2005 increases and not vice versa, can be a point to note for that means that the %age diff between 6600GT and 7300GT DDR2 decreases as sm3 is introduced, although that doesn't matter too much with a low end card. Please tell the 3d mark score break up as well. Also keep in mind that he has only tested sm2 stuff and not sm3. Anyway, I am not supporting 7300GT DDR2 but just telling you what could be the technical reasons behind the scores you just saw.

[cyberzook]

I visited 5-6 stores in Kolkata but all of them said 6600GT for AGP is unavailable.. all have 6600 which is coming @ 6500 to 7k +VAT.
1 shop said it can arrange leadtek 6600GT @7200 + VAT. Please suggest. I dont have idea abt leadtek
Is it possible to buy online ? (I wanted XFX 6600GT)

[andysmith45]

I heard that 7600GS is incompatible with Asus A8N-VM mobo. Is this true?

[john_the_ultimate]

I visited 5-6 stores in Kolkata but all of them said 6600GT for AGP is unavailable.. all have 6600 which is coming @ 6500 to 7k +VAT.
1 shop said it can arrange leadtek 6600GT @7200 + VAT. Please suggest. I dont have idea abt leadtek
Is it possible to buy online ? (I wanted XFX 6600GT)

Leadtek 6600GT 128MB PCI-E is a great performer and had a good price to performance ratio. Have been using this gfx card for around 1 year and no problem till date. No second thought get it.

[kaizadchinoy]

i wanted to know whether Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004 would function on a laptop having an NVIDIA GeForce® Go 7400 Dedicated Graphics Card(TurboCache 2.0 Technology upto 512 MB Video Memory) and 1GB RAM. Processor Intel Core Duo T2250 1.73 GHZ

[cyberzook]

Leadtek 6600GT 128MB PCI-E is a great performer and had a good price to performance ratio. Have been using this gfx card for around 1 year and no problem till date. No second thought get it.
I was talking abt AGP

[ashnik]

Guys I have a gr8 problem,
I have a BIG 7600GS/256MB PCI-e card and ASUS A8N-VM mobo. the card works on friend's intel mobo, but not on my a8n-vm. BIOS upgrade is of no use. There is a slight possibility that i may be able to return the mobo.
Now plz suggest me a mobo which will definitely run my card.

I can visit nebody's place in MUmbai and subburbs and try the 7600gs card b4 buying the mobo. Also does nebody have MSI K8NGM2 mobo? I am thinking of buying that, but i need to try my card first, as the dealer won't take this one back.

PLZ help soon.......

[john_the_ultimate]

I was talking abt AGP

Well u cud also get the AGP version.......my friend is using it (LEADTEK) and as I said no problem till date. Even runs FEAR at medium setting @ 1024*768.

[kaizadchinoy]

i wanted to know whether Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004 would function on a laptop having an NVIDIA GeForce® Go 7400 Dedicated Graphics Card(TurboCache 2.0 Technology upto 512 MB Video Memory) and 1GB RAM. Processor Intel Core Duo T2250 1.73 GHZ

I really need help on this before purchasing the notebook.. can n e one help me out pls....??

[akshayt]

6600GT should manage FEAR at 10X7 MED if you have a 6600GT with 1gb ram and obviously required cpu and all.

[deathvirus_me]

I played F.E.A.R. with a 6600GT and a XP 2400+ at 1024*768 , 2x aa , maxed settings ... ~35 fps ...

[samanvya_ad]

I played F.E.A.R. with a 6600GT and a XP 2400+ at 1024*768 , 2x aa , maxed settings ... ~35 fps ...

Max settings ...2x AA.... XP2400+....still 35 FPS
good...

[rahul_becks23]

What is the CURRENT price of XFX 7900 GT.

[akshayt]

7900GT XFX around 19k - 20k.
7900GT starts around 17.5k or so for Sparkle.

FEAR @ 35fps @ 2400 XP @ 6600GT @ MAX + soft shadows = Impossible

Anyway 35fps is not the only criteria, how well did it actually run?
Was anything overclocked?
Also show your FRAPS scores.

Also what ever you do with mainstream hardware 6600GT can only do 10X7 MED @ FEAR comfortably, over that it is just acceptable, later tolerable, later crap.

[blackleopard92]

one thing no one has noticed in the test given in previous page was the fact that GeForce 6600GT was running on AMD x2 4200+, while 7300GT was running on AMD64 3500+. there is a world of difference between these two processors, and considering that, 7300GT did put up a really good show.


score in
3dMARK 03
7300GT (ddr2)- 6780
6600GT- 9015-9100

score in
3DMARK 05
7300GT (ddr2)-3100
6600GT- 4050


UT 2004(1024x 768) (4xAA, 6xAF)
7300GT (ddr2)-142-150FPS
6600GT- 210-215 FPS


QUAKE 4(High NO AA or AF)
7300GT (ddr2)- 85-90FPS
6600GT- 95-100 FPS


FEAR(MAx settings but at 1024x 768 tested by the ingame cimnematic)
7300GT (ddr2)- average FPS- 41 (53% above 30FPS)
6600GT- average FPS- 53 (62% above 30 FPS)

I dont have doom 3 and other games...

[rahul_becks23]

thanks for the price

[akshayt]

1) If you are playing at high settings and res with a high end card or a good card then there wouldn't have been any/much diff between high end and low end cpu.

2)If you are playing at low settings or not very high settings, then a better cpu is of significant help to your performance.

3)Please keep in mind most games don't support dual core fully and if dual core doesn't have advantages in a game then the X2 4200 will perform more or less the same as the amd 64 3500. check hardocp and firingsquad for which games are affected by dual core performance, I don't think that it could have caused much diff if at all
a)Unless game uses it there is no use
b)even if games use it there is no major diff as of now
3)with max settings at 10X7, the diff can't be too much considering the first two points.

[rahul_becks23]

but in the future,i think every game will support dual-core processors.
So,dual-core is a better option even if games of today run slower on them than single-core ones.

[akshayt]

but we are talking of whether the cpu could have made that much diff or not, who denies the dual core in the future.

X2 4200 might not have made much/any performance gain or even might have, check it as I mentioned.

[rahul_becks23]

ok,thats right.
But what abt FUTURE games that support dual-core...what do u say abt that.

[akshayt]

1)Graphic card is the most important component and whatever you do don't compromise on it, always try to keep high end or even ultra high end stuff is possible. high end: 1900XT or 1800XT 512mb version only, ultra : CF 1800XT 512mb only or 1900XT CF class, at the very minimum try not to keep anything below upper mainstream. Make GPU the priority.

2)You always need enough RAM, without it there is no point at all.

3)The CPU depends upon your budget.
Low budget: Amd 64 3000-3500, for the future just oc it to the max possible it should be ok.
Medium Budget: Dual Core X2 or Intel Core 2 Duo, both of them should be fine at stock and if required oc them.
High budget: Not required in most cases especailly if you overclock

[rahul_becks23]

that post was for whom....

[blackleopard92]

many games have started supporting smp, i.e multicore cpu.
and obviously, going dual core is much better than single core.

[akshayt]

going dual core is only worth it provided you are not compromising on gpu and ram and have a really large budget.

I would rather have Amd 64 3500 + 7900GT than X2 4200 + 7600GT

You can oc the former IF REQUIRED and then for most games there will not be a problem for the game will still be gpu limited.

[rahul_becks23]

dual-core prices of AMD have been cut recently to about 40%.
So,dual-core is a gr8 deal now.

[deathvirus_me]

I would rather have Amd 64 3500 + 7900GT than X2 4200 + 7600GT

Hmmm ... thats because ur nuts ... oops ur's fallen off .... reminding of old posts eeh ??? that guy already has a X2 4200+ ... why would anyone sell that off and get a 3500+ ??

Graphic card is the most important component and whatever you do don't compromise on it, always try to keep high end or even ultra high end stuff is possible. high end: 1900XT or 1800XT 512mb version only, ultra : CF 1800XT 512mb only or 1900XT CF class, at the very minimum try not to keep anything below upper mainstream. Make GPU the priority.

Yeah .... rite .... this reply my a** ..... how about running a X1900XTX with a 2800+ ???? specially when u don't intend to oc ???? even so with the oc how far u can get ???? every component in the system is important .... and not the GPU alone ...

And if u mean performance ... the the most important would be the CPU + Mobo + RAM combo .. max. of the bandwidth is lost here .... and this severely affect the GPU performance ... about 25% at any time ... ...

[rahul_becks23]

Yeah .... rite .... this reply my a** ..... how about running a X1900XTX with a 2800+ ???? specially when u don't intend to oc ???? even so with the oc how far u can get ????

absolutely

[aquamatrix]

i have a budget of 7-8k which graphic card should i opt for??

[rahul_becks23]

7600GS is ur best bet
if u stretch it to 10K,7600GT is a more better deal.

[deathvirus_me]

yup .. for a budget upto 8k's , the 7600GS would be an awesome choice ...

[akshayt]

Look, I have probably researched more than all of you together about the perormance impact of CPU on GPU.

1900XT + Amd 64 3000 = 1280X1024 MAX AA AF or higher for games like Most Wanted, 45+fps

7600GT + X2 4800 will be something like 10X7 MAX 16x AF no AA and maybe around 50-55fps, by no means can you compare the two.

The thing is that a faster cpu helps mainly while playing at lower settings, but with very high settings and res the game is entirely GPU depedent and most CPUs, not all, are capable of taking it.

Just try running the game and you will feel the difference yourself. Please don't make any comment unless you have concrete proof for it. Please get the proof first. I can get the proof if you want.

RAM doesn't affect the gaming performance even noticeably in current practical cases as quantity is what matters, rest all have DDR 400 or up.

for 8k i don't recommend 7600GS. actually it is for sub 7k or so from leadtek.
rather extend the 8k to 10k+ to get 7600GT which will be much better.

PROOF
Please keep in mind that in most/all cases only average fps are mentioned and not the minimum fps which is also a very important aspect for gaming which is present only in hardocp of the ones I metnioned.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=300&model2=282&chart=97

http://www.tomshardware.com/site/vgacharts/index.html

This proves that even a low end cpu powered with a high end graphic card or other graphic cards will give what kind of performance. So high end graphic card is enough even with a lower cpu, it however doesn't point whether a faster cpu would help or not.

Also, most/all of these games may not exactly be able to use the dual cpus and even if they do to a certain extent the intel D8xx series is crap, so you might get better performance with Amd 64 3000-3500 than with such a CPU in gaming that is.
It also shows the performance difference between different cards.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/15/graphics_card_buyers_guide_2006_part3/

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=238&chart=71&model2=212

This compares the different cpus in performance, although the graphic card is the bottleneck, since sometimes low settings have been used and Far Cry and UT04 has tested so it does show some difference and also shows actually that there is not much difference. Also, you might get a very rough idea as to how your system will perform with a 7600GT/6800Ultralevel cards which maybe around 20-30% better than 6800gt with a high end cpu. 7600GT on average may be 20% or so better than 6800gs and 6800gs equals a 6800GT.
So, CPU is not everything.


http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/cpu-games2.html
This shows that if you have a mainstream card 7800GT there won't be much/any difference in your average fps. Again, no point going for a CPU without a good GPU.

low end cpu oc link
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/cpu-games2.html

xbitlabs oced their 3500 winchester to almost 2.6ghz, 2.5x.

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/call_of_duty_2_dual-core/

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/fear_cpu_performance/

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/half_life_2_cpu_shootout/

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/half-life_2_athlon_xp/

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/half-life_2_cpu_shootout/

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/oblivion_athlon_64_x2_fx_cpu_performance/

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/quake_4_cpu_performance/

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/quake_4_dual-core_performance/

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjI2LCwsaGVudGh1c2lhc3Q=

A very important link this is: http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTAwMiwsLGhlbnRodXNpYXN0

Anybody who wishes to say against me has to give a proper proof else must keep quiet.

[Geforce]

Does anybody know the price of Leadtek A7600GT DTH AGP card.

Yes AGP not PCI-e. :-)

[anandrules]

Does anybody know the price of Leadtek A7600GT DTH AGP card.

Yes AGP not PCI-e. :-) dude the card is expected to be out in a few days in the US. So if u are looking for it in india rite now just fuh get it. And neways i think that its gonna be atleast a good 20-30$ more expensive than the PCI -E version of the card. I also dont expect the card to be in india till abt say october-november.

[deathvirus_me]

Look, I have probably researched more than all of you together about the perormance impact of CPU on GPU.

1900XT + Amd 64 3000 = 1280X1024 MAX AA AF or higher for games like Most Wanted, 45+fps

7600GT + X2 4800 will be something like 10X7 MAX 16x AF no AA and maybe around 50-55fps, by no means can you compare the two.

Dude .. ur nuts . even my 6800GS with a 3500+ does 40 fps in NFS MW at 1280*1024 ,maxed settings ... the 7600GT should do the same ..

Also .. ur gpu gets a little uper hand only at res. of 1600*1200 and higher .. so it means that'll u'll have to invest on a monitor as well ... Also .... geneally monitors have 4:3 native res. 1280*1024 is 5:6 .. so the entire process will be equially dependent on both the GPU and the CPU ... at higher res. the story is different ..

Also .. about ur CPU GPU facts .... u can go to bed with ur benchmarks ... i really like to believe what i see ... now here is something i found :

Pentium 2.66 GHz + X1900GT -> 3DMark05 - 6400
3500+ + 6800GS -> 3DMark05 - 6200

Now a X1900GT with a FX57 gives >8000 in 3DMark05 ....

Now if u don't trust benchmark's .. lets do some game test ...
The X1900GT config. gave around 40 fps in NFS MW with some stuttering .. while with the 6800GS i get absolutely smooth gameplay and 40 fps ...

So where ru going to go now ?? And plz. ... can't u find some other stupid forums to pollute ... i'm really getting tired of ur bull****ting .. i really doubt ur normal .... or maybe ur having some review fet**h ..


Also about reviews ... take a close look at Far Cry in other reviews too .. u'll see that the fps hardly varies across diff. res. with high end GPU's ... and the reviewer clearly states that the CPU is a big bottleneck there ... so ur some other genius who thinks CPU is not a big factor eeh ??? then i think if ur the leading IT specialist ... ur concept gaming PC would consist of a Sempron with a X1900XTX Crossfire maybe ???

[rahul_becks23]

@akshayt-
Its good that u told us what u knew about these things and i appreciate ur post BUT u gotta see this...........

Dont u think a processor like AMD 64 3000+,3200+,3400+.... will act as a bottleneck for such cards like 7900GT / GTX , X1900XT , 7950 GTX......

So,there is no point in getting a slow PRO. with a high-end G C because it will not allow the G C to show its TRUE Potential.

AND a comb. like 3800+ and 7600GT will ALLOW the G C to show its FULL potential.

Whatever be ur proof or ur way of MAKING them,u cant just get a 3200+ with a 7900GT because u will waste some potential of the G C.
Getting a 7600GT with a 3800+ will allow the G C to perform at its best.

So,what do ya want.....SPENDING 20,000-30,000 for a G C(with a slow pro.) that will never give u what its GOT in its belly
OR
spending 12,000 for a G C(with a medium pro.) that will give u every buck u paid for.

SO,what should i want to tell u here,buddy..........ITS this that if anyone gets a 7900GT,HE should ALSO get a fast PRO. like 4200+(or the likes) SO that the G C works with its FULL strength.

P.S.---These were just some GENERAL OPINION of mine and in no way they were meant to go against ur posts.

[akshayt]

I will make you understand these concepts. Just promise that you have thoroughly gone through each and every link I mentioned and analysed it to the best of your ability. If you find a link that proves otherwise, please mention it.

@deathme virus, let us solve your doubts first
A 6800GT/Ultra/7600GT does 10X7 MAX 16x AF and can't do 12X1q0 PERIOD
I have myself tried it and the performance won't be that good irrespective of what fps you are getting. Performance - first, fps -second
A friend of mine is comfortable with FEAR when the gameplay according to me is pure crap but according to him is acceptable.
There is no benchmarks where a 6800GS can score 40fps at that settings, prove it if you can, also us about your smoothness etc.

To play games like GRAW and Oblivion and the upcoming games a card like the 1900XT is useful even at 12X10 without AA and maybe without AF too.To paly games like FEAR, you are advised to get a 1900XT at 12X9 with AA and AF. Even a 1900XTX should preferably play Serious Sam 2 only at 10X7 MAX 4x AA 16x AF. At 12X10 the minimum fps become too low. So this point is again negated.
6800GT/GS can play the most intensive games at 10X7 MED and the ones like FEAR at 10X7 MAX soft shadows off and the upcoming games at 10X7 Med and the even more intensive games at 800*600 med and at 800*600 med cpu counts a lot.

Please understand that never rely on synthetic benchmarks like 3d mark. A 1900XT gets 5000 and 1900XTX gets 5800, yet in most cases the XTX is 5-10% faster only. A 7900GTX gets around 6200fps yet it is many a times slower than 1900XT. Rely on real world tests only.
Anyway you yourself proved yourself wrong as the lower cpu with higher graphic card got a higher score.

3D mark scores might be affected by a faster cpu but in real world you may not notice any difference.

Please mention who conducted the tests, on what system, all details, drivers used, when was the system formatted, how much had it been used etc.

Far Cry is really cpu dependent. 100% agreed. But tell me on thing, don't you think a Amd 64 3500 + X1800XT can handle the game at 12X10 MAX no AA fine? Do you think a Amd X2 3800 + 7600GT would do it as well? Oblviously, not. Also, although FarCry gives higher fps, how does it matter whether you get 70fps or 90fps, all cpus are ok for playing as along as you get a certain minimum performance and minimum average performance.

Ideal is a 1900XT-XTX OC CF with E6600.

YOU HAVEN"T TRIED TO UNDERSTOOD ONE THING. I NEVER SAID THAT A CPU DOESN'T AFFECT GAMING PERFORMANCE. I MEANT THAT BEYOND A POINT THE IMPACT OF CPU ON PERFORMANCE IS MINIMUM. THIS MEANS THAT IF YOU GET INTEL 2.8GHZ OR LOWER THEN YOU WOULD BE BOTTLENECKING YOUR CARD IF IT IS A GOOD ONE ATLEAST. SIMILARLY IF YOU HAVE AMD NON 64 CPU OR A SEMPRON CPU THAT TOO BOTTLENECKS THE CARD( A GOOD ONE THAT IS). HOWEVER IF YOU HAVE AMD 64 3000+ OR HIGHER OR INTEL 3.2-3.8 DEPEDING UPON CORE AND ALL THEN FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF GAMES AT HIGH SETTINGS THERE WILL NOT BE A MUCH INCREASE IN PERFORMANCE IF YOU UPGRADE YOUR CPU. HOWEVER IF YOU HAVE A CPU LOWER THAN THIS THERE WILL BE A PERFORMANCE DIFF. 2.66GHZ IS UNDOUBTEDLY INADEQUATE. X2 ON THE OTHER HAND GIVES PERFORAMNCE BOOST ONLY IN A FEW GAMES AND IN THE FUTURE THOUGH IT WILL GIEV A BOOST, BUT THE IMPACT OF THAT BOOST WON'T BE THAT MUCH IF YOU PLAY AT A HIGHER RES ALTHOUGH A TIME WILL COME WHEN THE X2 WILL BE MUCH BETTER EVEN AT HIGH RES AND SETTINGS BUT THERE IS NO POINT COMPROMISING ON THE GPU AS THEN YOU WOULD ANYWAY NEED TO PLAY AT A LOWER RES AND SETTINGS. I HOPE YOU DO UNDERSTAND NOW.

NOT THAT A FASTER CPU ISN'T BETTER, BUT THE LOWER AMD 64 NON SEMPRONS ARE GOOD ENOUGH FOR MOST CURRENT GAMES AT THE MOMENT ESEPCIALLY IF YOU CAN PLAY AT HIGHER SETTINGS WHICH MAY BE JUST 10X7 MAX OR MORE.

@ rahul
1900XT will bottleneck these cpus in the future games, but in most current games they don't bottleneck much if at all. Also, see it this way, Amd 64 3000 + 7900GT < Amd 64 3000 + 1900XT, so it is still better to opt for 1900XT.
Anything over a 1900XT/XTX/7900GTX OC should not be bought as then the CPU will count in the future, money can be saved. I advise not to go higher than 1900XT/7900GTX but as of now a 1900XT + Amd 64 3000 may>7900GT + X2 3800.

It is evident that you have not gone through my links else you wouldn't emphasize on cpu bottleneck which they have proved doesn't exist or is minimal.

7600GT bottlenecks amd 64 3800.
most amd cpus can be overclock to 3800 speeds or higher, that is another plus.
7900GT + 3000 > 7600GT + 3800

You can get the 1900XT with amd 64 3200 and you will not be wasting it for any practical purpose. And even if you do waste it, it doesn't matter and is of no consequence. Please see all my links and read my example.

Whenever we need to shop for somethnig we don't see whether we can use something fully but whether which of the two is better in our budget.
Suppose you have Rs.35000 with you, you have the following choices
1900XT + amd 64 3500
7900GT + X2 4600(near future price)
7900GT + FX 60 class price
In majority of current games the first choice will perform higher provided you use AA and AF preferably at 12X10 or higher.
you can oc a 3500 to 2.6-2.8, and then in current games it will perform more than x2 4600 in many cases and maybe almost as fast as a single core FX 55/57. This much cpu speed is enough for gaming. X2 4600 will give a little boost in most/all cases and a substancial boost in some cases but the graphic card will seriously hold it back and the output will be lower than the former.
Rahul please go through my links as you haven't understood the concept yet. It is not mugging up here but the concept, if a cpu x mhz is required then 2x won't help you as much as a graphic card upgrade from 0.6y to 0.9y when y mhz is required.

To put it simply, will ut04 run better on 4-8gb ram than it would on 1gb ram. I am talking of single player deathmatch.

[TeChRocK]

akshayt wtg

[rahul_becks23]

@akshayt...............u r going nuts........and i laugh at ur noobish posts..............
Ultimately,i'll surrender to u and i dont wanna argue with u.............so u win again and i lose.
Happy now.............

[akshayt]

Each word i wrote is correct, please either agree or disagree but with solid proof.

[gaurav_indian]

Guys I have bought nvidia 6600 GT 256 MB for Rs 7600 and I have Pentium D 3.0.So I want to ask whether its a good graphic card and how many FPS it supports?

[Third Eye]

it's a low end card.6 series is heavily outdated.i am confused which better ATI or nvidia.

[deathvirus_me]

@deathme virus, let us solve your doubts first
A 6800GT/Ultra/7600GT does 10X7 MAX 16x AF and can't do 12X1q0 PERIOD
I have myself tried it and the performance won't be that good irrespective of what fps you are getting. Performance - first, fps -second
A friend of mine is comfortable with FEAR when the gameplay according to me is pure crap but according to him is acceptable.
There is no benchmarks where a 6800GS can score 40fps at that settings, prove it if you can, also us about your smoothness etc.

Here u go ... a little ingame FEAR test with my config .. the settings were 1280*768 , 2x aa , MAXED SETTINGS

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2768/feartest3md1.th.jpg (http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=feartest3md1.jpg)

I think i'm doing quite well with a 6800GS coupled with a 3500+ at high res. like 1280*768 , the time i was testing a widescreen LCD ... now .. i play FEAR at 1280*960 with the same settings ...

Please understand that never rely on synthetic benchmarks like 3d mark. A 1900XT gets 5000 and 1900XTX gets 5800, yet in most cases the XTX is 5-10% faster only. A 7900GTX gets around 6200fps yet it is many a times slower than 1900XT. Rely on real world tests only.
Anyway you yourself proved yourself wrong as the lower cpu with higher graphic card got a higher score.

Well .. this statement of your prooves what a n00b ur ... in 3DMark06 ... the X1900XT does around ~5200 the X1900XTX around ~5800 and the 7900GTX around ~5500 .... the X1900XTX being the clear winner here ... that too with a FX57 ... the the synthetic benchmark performance diff. between the X1900XT and the XTX is over 15 % ... but actually i varies under 15% depending upon the game ... so the limiting factor here would be the remaining system rite ??? So the CPU plays a more important part while gaming ... and thus u need a better CPU to handle the monster GPU's like that of the X1900XTX or the 7900GTX ....

Now about the myth that the higher res. lowers the CPU bottleneck , its true ... but the res. should be atleast 1600*1200 or higher ... and the monitor should support atleast 100 Hz referesh rate at that res. so that vertical sync can be turned off ... so now u'll have to invest in a good 19" LCD that'll probably cost another 35k's ..

Suppose you have Rs.35000 with you, you have the following choices
1900XT + amd 64 3500
7900GT + X2 4600(near future price)
7900GT + FX 60 class price

Yeah rite ... the FX60 would alone cost around 30k's ....

In majority of current games the first choice will perform higher provided you use AA and AF preferably at 12X10 or higher.
you can oc a 3500 to 2.6-2.8, and then in current games it will perform more than x2 4600 in many cases and maybe almost as fast as a single core FX 55/57. This much cpu speed is enough for gaming. X2 4600 will give a little boost in most/all cases and a substancial boost in some cases but the graphic card will seriously hold it back and the output will be lower than the former.

Yeah rite ... and the L1/L2 cache , FSB , HTL , DRMA : FSB etc. etc. are just bogus things rite ??? So a OC'ed 3500+ is going to perform like a FX 55 ... so a oc'ed akshayt will be like Fatality ??? Dude ... have u ever tried messing up with the hardware urself or u jsut going to get married to the reviews ... ur comparisons can make Laden look like Lalu

@akshayt...............u r going nuts........and i laugh at ur noobish posts..............
Ultimately,i'll surrender to u and i dont wanna argue with u.............so u win again and i lose.
Happy now.............

Ditto .... i'm done with this guy ... and if he keeps on going like this .. i might even be out of this forum ....

[Third Eye]

is my processor is good for high end gpu,processor is intel's 3.0 ghz(2MM L2 cache with ht support).another question is that which brand high end card i use,ati or nvidia.

[rahul_becks23]

@deathvirus_me-
me too done with this guy,but dont go out of forum because we r some of the guys which give useful and correct info to other guys which dont know much about.
So,what i want is just ignore that guy's posts because u know whats right and whats wrong and u dont need to explain that to him.
Ok........
-Peace-

@tech_mastermind-
ur pro. will be good with a 7600 GT nVIDIA from XFX.

[akshayt]

1)You say you play FEAR at those settings.
My friend specs:
Amd 64 3200 Venice
2gb
7600GT
7600GT is about 20% or so better than 6800GS class

He gets around 50-60 or more fps using FRAPS at 12X9 MAX no soft shadows yet the stuttering makes it unplayable for me but playable for him. I prefer to play at 10X7 MAX no soft shadows as it is much smoother. Although fps are enough in 12X9, but the performance is crap. Also, are you including soft shadows in max? The settings you mentioned is what somebody plays if one has a 1800XT or atleast 7900GT.

2)3d mark series does not give the real picture especially with the overall score. PERIOD. 1900XT is still a better choice than 7900GTX yet even the 1900XTX looses to it.
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/powercolor-x1900xt_18.html

3)You are getting the wrong concept, with FX 60, the GPU is no longer bottlenecked by the CPU. Had it been so you would not have noticed any diff in performance between 1900XT and CF, but there is a difference in performance. Also even with core 2 Duo in most cases amd and intel give more or less same scores at 1600*1200 with AA and AF with a single high end card, this proves that CPU is not bottlenecking the card.

4)To make full use of card in the future you need a faster CPU. Agreed.
But atleast today, Amd x + 1900XT>Amd x + 7900GT

5)The new price of FX60 may be around 20-25k, yeah still pricy.

6) Let lower cpu be x, GPU be y, higher CPU be z.
800*600 med
x+y= n
y+z=n+30%n

1600*1200 MAX
x+y=m
y+z=m+-2%m

but, m<n PERIOD
Also, even at 1280*1024 with AA and AF there might not be that big a difference and anyway high end GPU may be required for todays games even at 10X7 like Serious Sam2 with AA and AF.

7)Amd 64 3000 = 1.8ghz
Amd 64 3000 @ 2.4ghz = Amd 64 3800
Amd 64 3000 @ 2.8ghz = Imaginery Amd 64 4500
Now we can assume that Amd 64 4500 imaginery will surely be better than Amd 64 4000 at stock. Amd 64 4000 at stock equals FX53 or higher, this means Amd 64 3000 @ 2.8 is better than Amd 64 4000/FX 53. In fact Amd 64 4500 imaginery will almost be as good as a FX55 if not as good.
Opeteron 165 Dual Core @ 3ghz will probably beat even Amd FX 60/62.

PLEASE READ THOSE LINKS


To bottleneck Intel Pentium D930 you need a 1900XT class GPU. 6600GT is bottlenecking your CPU. You should find performance diff even while moving from 7900GT to 1900XT with that CPU.

[samanvya_ad]

Dont know much but my 6600GT with X2 4200+ gives much better scores than 7600GS tested on AMD 64 3200+.....

[akshayt]

1)Which game are you talking about?
2)At what settings are you playing?
3)Is it the same system except the cpu and gpu?
4)How are you measuring performance?

[rskbug]

[QUOTE=akshayt]

6) Let lower cpu be x, GPU be y, higher CPU be z.
800*600 med
x+y= n
y+z=n+30%n

1600*1200 MAX
x+y=m
y+z=m+-2%m

but, m<n PERIOD
[QUOTE]


ROFL

[akshayt]

you don't need to abuse just because you can't understand.

800*600 med = setting
x+y=n means that lower gpu + higher cpu gives performance of n fps
y+z=, means that higher cpu and higher gpu give a performance boost of 30%.

[gaurav_indian]

I have Intel Pentium D 3.0 Ghz with 6600 GT with 1 GB DDR2.Is this configuration good for quality performance?

[samrulez]

I have Intel Pentium D 3.0 Ghz with 6600 GT with 1 GB DDR2.Is this configuration good for quality performance?

U have a descent config......but do upgrade the gfx front after some time..

[akshayt]

get 2gb ddr 2 667 + a much better gpu

[samrulez]

get 2gb ddr 2 667 + a much better gpu

He must have just bought his pc and he just wants to know how does it perform....not what to upgrade......for now 2gb ram won't be his priority.....
And he can use the gfx card for atleast a few months!

[gaurav_indian]

He must have just bought his pc and he just wants to know how does it perform....not what to upgrade......for now 2gb ram won't be his priority.....
And he can use the gfx card for atleast a few months!
Yeah you are right I just wanted to know how will it perform.My budget was not such that I can afford a very expensive gfx card.So I spend my money on Nvidia 6600 GT 256 MB(Rs. 7600).And I will use it for at least 2 years.As far as RAM is concerned i have a option of going for maximum 4 GB.But one question I want to ask is what's the difference b/w Pentium D and Core 2 Duo?

[deathvirus_me]

Also, are you including soft shadows in max?

There u go .. just proved urself a n00b .. FEAR can't do soft shadows and AA together .... if u have both of them enabled , then the games uses AA ...

And i give u a proof .. and you don't want to believe me ??? And u give only links to other reviews .??? Dude ... i get ur point ... ur g*y ... and probably gonna mate with ur PC via USB ... This is will be my last ever reply to a fckd up n00b nm "akshayt" ....

I have Intel Pentium D 3.0 Ghz with 6600 GT with 1 GB DDR2.Is this configuration good for quality performance?

Well .. considering the current gen. of games. . u can do really ok without HDr ... but the 6600GT is supposed to be a budget midrange card now .. so u really can't expect much anymore ... but hey ... like i said .. its quite ok ...

[akshayt]

deathmevirus, you are just too rude for debates, no point even saying anything to you. you don't even care to read and logically negate if you can.

[Kniwor]

@akshayt
i have read most of ur arguements and though u did make a valid poing in the begining, u have been talking nonsense since then, a 3500+ with X1950 will be better than a X2 4200+ with 7600GT, this does not mean one sell his X2 4200+, also one will prefer purchasing the later combo because we do more than playing games.....

and please cut out ur nonsense, i did not want to indulge but ur last few posts make no point, he is trying to logically make a point there and if u keep asking "Where's the logic?" none can help you.

[rahul_becks23]

yeah..........but still he'll not understand and will surely comment negatively on u.........u'll see.

[cyberzook]

I was looking for XFX 6600GT but have to settle for leadtek as the former is not avaliable.. I want to know which one to go for among these.. a lot of models shown here
http://www.leadtek.com/Graphic_tran_6.htm
There is a Winfast PX6600 series and a A6600 series

[Rollercoaster]

Damn guys whatz goin on here... visited this thread after a few days and WHAM! u guys are playing quake4 with each other....

Anyways i came to ask this:
My PC: AMD3000+ / 1 GB DDR400/ A8N SLI/ One 6600GT PCIe 256mb/ 2x160GB RAID-0

Now i want to upgrade my system mainley for gaming.. so I have these options
1. Sell my 6600 and buy a new card. which one do u suggest?
2. Buy another 6600GT
3. Upgrade my CPU

my budget is 10000....
if i go for option 1 then what card falles in the price range of 10000 + 6600GT selling price.
If i go for Option 2 then can anyone enlighten me with the cost of a new XFX 6600GT 256Mb PCIe
If i go for option 3 then what AMD proc can be brought is range of 10000 + A64 3000+ selling price. also would there me much impact on games by upgrading CPU

Ya and if i sell Both Pro and GFX then which new Pro and GFX card can i buy in the budget?

thanks in advance

[rahul_becks23]

sell the pro. n get a 3500+ for 6 grands.
sell the G C n get a 7600GS for 7 grands.

[deathvirus_me]

Get a 7600GT for ~10k's ... u already have a mobo thats awesome with oc'ing ... so you can get ur 3000+ to 2.4 aka 3800+ GHz in no time ... invest in a better PSU if u have some cash left ... ... getting another single core right now would make no sense ... gather some cash and then directly get a X2 3800+ atleast . which should be around 8k's .... the 7600GT would be better than 2*6600GT if not the same .. and it'll do good even with the stock processor .. and if u do oc then it's a whole new story ...

[Kniwor]

no point selling procy, OC it, and get a 7600GT, that should be costing u the same as getting aother 6600GT, i mean (purchase - sale) cost..... u can sell old 6600GT for 3-4k and get new one for 11k, keep the extra cash for a procy upgrade later, right now, after OC'ing it will work great, sonn enough X2 4200+ will be dirt cheap and u can get one

[Rollercoaster]

Now guys that is my kinda talk.....

I already have my a64 3000+ OCed to 2.6GHZ.. so ok no proc selly..
i was also thinking to wait for those cool X2s to get cheap

I want to know if the 7600GT or GS have better tech then 6600GT.. i mean is it worth buying or if there is no new tech(without which a gamer cannot live) in it then i can just go for another 6600GT. My system is kool with SLI. u know....

Also most benchmarks i run.. all show my ram to be low performing.can u suggest some ram manufacturer whose ram is cheap+good performer. i have hynex cheap ram.

BTW my PSU is 550W. so no trouble there

[deathvirus_me]

Well ... likewise .. a single 7600GT will be much better in handling HDr or rather more widely SM3.0 than a 6600GT SLi ... so i'd always recommend that over the two of those ... now ... the 7600's can really get an awesome oc. . most cards easily do 600/1600 on stock cooling .. and some people get even higher .. and since u dont have much problem with oc ... then definitely get the 7600GT ...

Also about the ram .. how did u draw the conclusion that the ram is performing much lower ??? I mean .. with my cheap hynix modules i easily get > 6000 MBps read speed ... so thats quite optimal .. can't ask more i guess ...

[Kniwor]

Actaully prices already dropped, i just talked to the AMD guy in india and the X2 3800+ is already 9100/- so it's already begun, though u might wanna wait some more....

and yeah, 7600GT is a whole diffrent core, it is a 7series card, and uses the same core as 7800 n all, actually the core is just being held back to make a 7600GT, so u have a good overclocking overhead, most 7600GT cores will clock stable at 600/800 or slightly higher, no matter which card u begin with, so if u are an overclocker, does not matter if u get the 560/700 or 590/800 version of the card, save some money and get 560/700, waise bhi u wont get the 590/800 version most prolly

ram...umm.. ok if ur hynix gives a good performance no prob, these dats our market has already defaulted to a better ram than hynix, Some "TwinMos" ram is the default in market which is a good CL=2.5 ram, with respectable benchies, apart from that, transcend, kingston, Corsair are already available... but if u good good benchies, dont bother a read speed above 5500MB/s is more than good enough if one is not sharing memory in GFX card, which u are not

[gaurav_indian]

What's the price of 7600 GS,7600 GT,7800 GS and 7800 GT(tell the prices for both 128 mb and 256 mb)?

[anandrules]

which one of these two cards is better??
ATI radeon x800 xl 256mb 256bit AGP card
Leadtek Geforce 7600 GS AGP card

[rahul_becks23]

radeon is better

[mayanksharma]

X800 with 256MB of vram is still the mightiest cards,you'll come across. But the price is surely to make a damn hole in the pocket. ;)

[anandrules]

X800 with 256MB of vram is still the mightiest cards,you'll come across. But the price is surely to make a damn hole in the pocket. ;) hehe not at all if u got sm contact in the US. I ll b getting it for 120$ ( arnd 5600 rs) and after using it for all i like i ll sell it for like 10k here!! That would enable me to get a whole new pci e based system.

[Rollercoaster]

guys can anyone tell me what is thebest option for gfx card PCIe under around 10000rs.. the nvidia or ati ? and can someone tell me the prices

[akshayt]

7600GS has the SM3 and HDR advantage and comes close to the radeon in terms of performance.

[anandrules]

7600GS has the SM3 and HDR advantage and comes close to the radeon in terms of performance. man u need to get ur head tested. Look at these benchmarks: http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=297&model2=313&chart=95
hell it even beats the 7800 gs. Mayb HDR is missing but it is nt used yet in most games except for 1 or 2 games.

[Ambar]

hehe not at all if u got sm contact in the US. I ll b getting it for 120$ ( arnd 5600 rs) and after using it for all i like i ll sell it for like 10k here!! That would enable me to get a whole new pci e based system.

hehehe i got a big nvidia gf 7950 fr rs.6600 .......courtesy my mama in nvidia.........talk of contacts...
___________________________________
use the thanks button instead.........

[Rollercoaster]

^ dude can those contact work for us too

[axiz_23]

hi...
I am having a problem upgrading my AGP card can u please help me out ??
I have a P4 1.6 Ghz ,1GB 266Mhz Ram, KOB P4M266 NDFSMX Motherboard with AGP 4x slot.
I recently bought an Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 256 MB card...but the card is not workin in my PC. I tried the card in my friends comp it worked. All i get when i connect my monitor is a blank screen, the hard disk does not run and computer does not boot.
I am totally confused ...now i am wondering whether my mobo supports my card or not ???
Please help me out.....

[anandrules]

hi...
I am having a problem upgrading my AGP card can u please help me out ??
I have a P4 1.6 Ghz ,1GB 266Mhz Ram, KOB P4M266 NDFSMX Motherboard with AGP 4x slot.
I recently bought an Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 256 MB card...but the card is not workin in my PC. I tried the card in my friends comp it worked. All i get when i connect my monitor is a blank screen, the hard disk does not run and computer does not boot.
I am totally confused ...now i am wondering whether my mobo supports my card or not ???
Please help me out..... hmm it shld work if u have a slot....did u have an ATI card bfore this card? if yes then u have to remove the drivers completely using driver cleaning software...if not then get sm comp repairer to see if ur AGP slot is getting voltage from the PSU.

hehehe i got a big nvidia gf 7950 fr rs.6600 .......courtesy my mama in nvidia.........talk of contacts...
___________________________________
use the thanks button instead......... whoa now thats wat i call proper use of contacts :D

[rahul_becks23]

@Ambar-
can we be friends... :)

[Ambar]

hey does anyone know of any intel dual core optimizer.................

[deathvirus_me]

hehehe i got a big nvidia gf 7950 fr rs.6600 .......courtesy my mama in nvidia.........talk of contacts...

And some benchmarks plz.

[rahul_becks23]

hey does anyone know of any intel dual core optimizer.................
u mean a software or what

[Rollercoaster]

guys i asked a vender for xfx 7600gt 256mb PCIe and he gave me a price of 13500.. i think that is too high..

can anyone give delhi prices

[rahul_becks23]

which XFX verson u asked..........there r three.
u must have asked for XXX edition which is overclocked
the normal one is av. 4 ar. 11500.

[balashome]

Hello Guys,

I have recently ordered a HIS X1800 GTO Turbo 256 MB from the US - which has been duly detained by our customs department (!). I might have to pay something extra to get them to release it.

But i was curious to know what this particular card (of the same make) would cost me if i bought it here. Your replies would be appreciated.

Thanks.

(FYI - it cost me $200 originally - minus the international shipping)

[royal]

Hey guys, Digit and Chip have reviewed FORSA 7600GS this month...
Seems good value for money with above average cooling :cool:
However its a poor overclocker and has DDR2 :(
Well, you win some you lose some :rolleyes:

Any idea about the 7600GT version :confused:

[akshayt]

For 200$ it is not a good deal, you get X1800XT very close, X1800XL around the same price, and 1900GT for 180$.
AFAIK all these cards are better especially the 1800XT and maybe even 1900GT to a certain limit.

[rohit66_99]

i have to buy a 512mb graphics.
can u plz plz suggest for which card should i go for
my budget is 7k

[samrulez]

7K 512MB memory??Why??
Just get a 7600GS 256MB for 8000.....
512MB 73000 should also cost u the same...but performancewise 7600 256MB would outperform the 7300 512MB..

[akshayt]

256mb Geforce 7600GS GDDR3 only or 6800GS if you get that in your budget.

7600GS may be around 7k

[dOm1naTOr]

Can anyone provide some lonks which compare 7600GT, 7600GS,X1600XTX,X1800Xl etc the cards which ranges from 8k to 13k??

[balashome]

Hello Akshayt,

I do not know if you have analyzed the Graphics card market in the US deeply - but i did spend close to a month collecting information before putting my money on the HIS X1800 GTO.

For starters, all HIS X1800 GTO cards (well, almost all of them!) can be patched through to become an X1800 XL (via software). This unlocks 16 pipelines and can take you through any of the recent games screamingly. At this point any competition with the 7600 GT should be largely irrelevant.

Second, the card comes with proprietary HIS Ice Q3 cooling and heatsink and is factory overclocked to 520 mhz (admittedly only slight overclocking). Just these two are good value for money. Third, and this does not matter too much, a comprehensive software packet comes with the card - called Platinum Pack as part of the Turbo edition of the card.

Around the same dollar mark, i have the XFX 7600 GT XXX and eVGA 7600 GT CO/KO. These offer 590 and 580 mhz respectively and seriously compete with all other X1800 GTO's except for the HIS one (in my mind). Oblivion is my target game and the X1800 GTO is significantly ahead in that game than the 7600 GT - whether stock or overclocked.

The drawbacks in the stock X1800 GTO card are the heat produced, the slightly higher power consumption and the large size. The heat is taken care of with the custom cooling solution provided by HIS and i have got an ATX cabinet and a 500 W power supply to take care of the other two things.

The nearest X1800 XT (Saphire) comes to $250 plus and that too was only 'Open box'. If the prices were a little nearer, then you are right, it was a closed book decision to buy the X1800 XT. As it is, i think the HIS X1800 GTO is a fairly economical and powerful mid range solution - just slightly better than all the 7600 GTs out there - even the eVGA Superclocked one.

Sorry for the longish post - but the main reason i posted was to find out the Indian price for this card. Is there anybody who can give me information on the price for an HIS ATI Radeon X1800 GTO Turbo edition. If the HIS make is not available, could somebody tell me what a Radeon X1800 GTO costs in the Indian market.

Thank you.

[paul_007]

are AGP 8X slot based GFX card available in the market , if yes which card shud i buy, my budget is budget 10-15k

[samrulez]

Get a 6600GT 256MB for 7.5k-8k....quite good,.....its AGP 8 X..

[balashome]

Guys,

For all graphic card related reviews, stats and information i found www.gpureview.com to be very useful. It is well organized and has the right information. Apart from that it also links to all the major reviewers like xbitlabs, hardocp, bjorn3d etc.

[Kniwor]

Hello Akshayt,

I do not know if you have analyzed the Graphics card market in the US deeply - but i did spend close to a month collecting information before putting my money on the HIS X1800 GTO.

For starters, all HIS X1800 GTO cards (well, almost all of them!) can be patched through to become an X1800 XL (via software). This unlocks 16 pipelines and can take you through any of the recent games screamingly. At this point any competition with the 7600 GT should be largely irrelevant.

Second, the card comes with proprietary HIS Ice Q3 cooling and heatsink and is factory overclocked to 520 mhz (admittedly only slight overclocking). Just these two are good value for money. Third, and this does not matter too much, a comprehensive software packet comes with the card - called Platinum Pack as part of the Turbo edition of the card.

Around the same dollar mark, i have the XFX 7600 GT XXX and eVGA 7600 GT CO/KO. These offer 590 and 580 mhz respectively and seriously compete with all other X1800 GTO's except for the HIS one (in my mind). Oblivion is my target game and the X1800 GTO is significantly ahead in that game than the 7600 GT - whether stock or overclocked.

The drawbacks in the stock X1800 GTO card are the heat produced, the slightly higher power consumption and the large size. The heat is taken care of with the custom cooling solution provided by HIS and i have got an ATX cabinet and a 500 W power supply to take care of the other two things.

The nearest X1800 XT (Saphire) comes to $250 plus and that too was only 'Open box'. If the prices were a little nearer, then you are right, it was a closed book decision to buy the X1800 XT. As it is, i think the HIS X1800 GTO is a fairly economical and powerful mid range solution - just slightly better than all the 7600 GTs out there - even the eVGA Superclocked one.

Sorry for the longish post - but the main reason i posted was to find out the Indian price for this card. Is there anybody who can give me information on the price for an HIS ATI Radeon X1800 GTO Turbo edition. If the HIS make is not available, could somebody tell me what a Radeon X1800 GTO costs in the Indian market.

Thank you.

I would say u made the right move, if someone read my post 2 pages ago, i meantioned that for X1800GTO by HIS and Powercolor the extra pipelines can be unlocked, and they have almost 100% rate, BTW do let us know about the result

[akshayt]

all your arguments are in vane. X1800XT will be equal or better to any modded and oced 1800GTO. 1800XT costs around 220$ or so and 1900GT costs around 180$. some 1900GT have been converted to 1900XT 256mb, not sure whether they were the same ones or not.

[AmbarD]

hi all
i have a MSI 845 PRO mobo
it supports AGP 2x/4x
can i run a AGP 8x card in it? im getting a AGP Ati 9800 for 5.6K

If i cant run a AGP 8x then i can get a Ati 9250 for 3K
what shud I do?

[samrulez]

Yes u can plug in a 8X slot but.........it will not performa as it should....so don't waste u r money getting a 9800....
Max u should get is a 5200....

[AmbarD]

here r my specs
Intel 1.5 GHZ proc (socket 423)
MSI 845 Pro mobo
256(128X2)MB RAM
Nvidia Riva TNT2 32 MB GFX Card
40 GB HDD
with a budget of 10 k what all can i upgrade for best possible gaming?
i am also getting 1.8 GHZ 423 socket proc for 2,200
512 MB ram for 2,000
and gfx card for 5,600
im upgrading to this only bcoz im gonna buy a conroe based system after like
6 months from now

[mohit]

all your arguments are in vane. X1800XT will be equal or better to any modded and oced 1800GTO. 1800XT costs around 220$ or so and 1900GT costs around 180$. some 1900GT have been converted to 1900XT 256mb, not sure whether they were the same ones or not.

stop posting crap kaputboy ...where do u get those prices from ?

plz link me.

1900gt for 180$ :eek:

as usual all u do is post crap.

see this,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Order=PRICE&Page=1&N=2010380048+1305520549+106790809+1067921616&Submit=ENE&Nty=1&SubCategory=48

the lowest priced 1900gt is for 230$

[samrulez]

here r my specs
Intel 1.5 GHZ proc (socket 423)
MSI 845 Pro mobo
256(128X2)MB RAM
Nvidia Riva TNT2 32 MB GFX Card
40 GB HDD
with a budget of 10 k what all can i upgrade for best possible gaming?
i am also getting 1.8 GHZ 423 socket proc for 2,200
512 MB ram for 2,000
and gfx card for 5,600
im upgrading to this only bcoz im gonna buy a conroe based system after like
6 months from now

Well get a new mobo 865...............R u sure it is s423 and not 468.....I don't remember any s423 ........
If it is 468 then get a 865 mobo.......a 6600GT...and 1 gig ram..,..
And u will be done!!

[AmbarD]

Well,
the manual of my mobo says it supports Intel Pentium 4 proc (423 pin package)
heres a line
'The mainboard supports Intel Pent 4 processor.The mainboard uses a CPU socket called socket 423 for easy CPU installation'
dunno what it means........
help me out
thanks

[akshayt]

i read somewhere, might have been that time, in a sale or something or maybe even open box.

[AmbarD]

Hello?

Hello???????

[Geforce]

@AmbarD

Socket 423 Pentium 4s (Willamette core) were the first P4s to hit the market back then. Then came socket 478 (not 468 ) Northwoods.

Regarding the upgrade i think you should straightaway buy conroe why wait 6 months and waste all your money to upgrade this one. There no point.

None of the component you would buy for this system will be usable for your conroe config.
1) RAM is i think SDRAM (not DDR) again very slow for games (no point in upgrading)
2) Graphics card would again be AGP one so it would be big waste when you move to conroe (supports PCI-e cards).

With 10k in hand i won't recommend you to upgrade this comp, only to buy conroe 6 month later. You will actually be wasting your money now. I think you should save your cash, or get some more to buy conroe.

If you are not going for a completely new system (conroe) then its a whole different story.

[AmbarD]

thanks

[balashome]

all your arguments are in vane. X1800XT will be equal or better to any modded and oced 1800GTO. 1800XT costs around 220$ or so and 1900GT costs around 180$. some 1900GT have been converted to 1900XT 256mb, not sure whether they were the same ones or not.

Akshay - I am puzzled. I think i just told you that the X1800XT is not to be found in the same price range as the X1800GTO. As far as the 1900GT is concerned - two things:

- It wasnt around when i bought the card (1.5 months back)
- It uses a different core has even higher power consumption and heat production and is not yet popular with the enthusiasts. Also the unlocked GTO will drown this one. And i have not seen any information about unlocking the 1900GT.

So, thats that. But even then i am not asking you if my choice was correct - i am happy with it! All i wanted is to know what the current price of the GTO is in India. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.