All Graphics Cards related queries here.

[drvarunmehta]

Hmmm .. any links ??? which company .... this price in India ?? really ???
I've seen an even lower price quoted on this very forum by another user. Just run a search and check

EDIT
Here it is http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28755&highlight=7900gt
Just check the post by akshayt

Check this post by ritwickgupta too http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18826&page=34&highlight=7900gt

[drvarunmehta]

Don't you think I should opt for DDR2 RAM, even if I have to go in for a motherboard change? If not, isn't DDR2 miles ahead of DDR?
And my current processor is 2.66 GHz. What's the point in buying another processor with the same speed? And I have heard countless people say (and critics too) that AMD beats the pants off Intel. Can you please give me more details and options?
I am sorry if I am being too demanding but I really wish to upgrade my knowledge about computer hardware. :)
No need to go for DDR2. It isn't that much faster than DDR. If you want proof, just check the performance of AMD's new AM2 socket that uses DDR2. It is barely anything extra over the old socket 939 that used DDR. Read about it on www.anandtech.com
The Pentium D 805 isn't "processor with the same speed". It's dual core or 2 processors in 1. It can perform 2 tasks simultaneously which a single core 2.66 GHz couldn't. It's great for multitasking.
You are partly correct when you say that AMD beats the pants off Intel. What at what cost? The AMD dual core X2 3800+ costs about Rs. 17,000 while the Intel one I recommended costs just Rs. 6000. Agreed it's slower but not by much and it saves your cash so can spend it on a better graphics card. Finally your gaming experience depends more on the graphics card than the processor.

I suggest you read this review to understand why I'm recommending this processor http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_41_ghz_cores/

[deathvirus_me]

I've seen an even lower price quoted on this very forum by another user. Just run a search and check

EDIT
Here it is http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/show...ghlight=7900gt
Just check the post by akshayt

Check this post by ritwickgupta too http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/show...ghlight=7900gt

http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5193&page=126

Well sometimes its best to go out and check the prices urself .. i still doubt how much truth was put into that reply by that guy .... i personally had asked about a 7900GT (normal) and was waaay higher .. check this link out :

http://www.theitdepot.com/products.asp?prod=13740

Don't u think that the prices are quite part ??? (and ur believing the same guy who thinks the A8Ne support 2 processor) And these guys at itdepot give a pretty standard price .... u might get about 2-3k's less at max .... dude this is india .. where the prices are the worst of all ..

[ritwickgupta]

@deathvirus_me
as for the prices of gfx cards r concern don go n check out the website. they give a lot higher prices. call ne rashi peripheral office n ask the prices urself. i called the ofice at pune n got this price.
7900gt 1.65ghz 560 clock......22500+vat
7900gt 1.30ghz 450 clock .....18500+vat

as far as putting processor is concerned.....the dealer told me that a8n-e does nt supports dual core processors. i was sure that it supports. i just checked out to be sure.

[deathvirus_me]

Hmm .. strange .. the 7900GT (non oc'ed) costs around 28k's here .... from a distributor of Rashi ...

Anyway... just a general piece of advice ... try to avoid the 7900's ... nvidia screwed up digtime with the architecture .. they tried to make the card safe with oc'ing ... but what they made is card's that artifacts and need to be rma'd ... so unless ur lucky u might get one of the problematic one's ....

[anilthomas26]

my config :

amd 64bit 2800+
asus k8n mobo
512mb ram

i recently bought an evga 6800gs......i had posted an enquiry in this very thread earlier and i thought i had found a solution and i had posted that too....

when i installed it, first it was perfectly alright...later the screen began flickering while playing games.........it doesnt flicker like the refresh rate is too slow......it jst flickers here and ther on the screen .........

windows help suggested to upgrade ma bios and i did that....it worked fine for a single time when i played fear......

then the flickering began again.........the card asks for a power supply of 300w and that is wat i have......do i need a higher power smps ??????

also plzzz tell if ther r service centres for evga in india..(preferably in cochin,kerala).......
plzzzz help me guys..........

[deathvirus_me]

Can't help on the service centre .. but this is what i can say :

(i) make sure u've a psu that gives atleast over 20A across the 12V rail ...
(ii) Ur using an LCD aren't you ??? Well make sure u play at/above the native lcd res. of ur lcd ...

[mayanksharma]

Just make two things very clear,that you should have atleast 400W+ supply from either of Coolermaster or Antec brands.
And second,you will need decent cooling to maximize the potential of your card.
@death_virus
Playing above the native resolution of the LCD isn't possible,as you dont get the resolution settings above the default in the game. :D
And if somehow you does,then flickering has nothing to do with the thing.
This simply relates to the power supply nuisances.

[royal]

hey guys ... check this (http://www.techtree.com/techtree/jsp/article.jsp?article_id=73393&cat_id=537) out :cool:

FORSA's making a debut in India ... and they are keeping prices just right so that it hits the sweet spot :)

Performance wise XFX would be better ... and this brand is not very good with overclocking ... but lets just hope the other brands take notice and bring prices down :mad:

I am waiting for the 7600GT review ... should cost around Rs. 10.5k

BTW, any chance of this being reviewed by DIGIT in near future ??? that would really help in taking decisions ...

[anilthomas26]

so...shud i get a 400 watt smps ?????

and.....wat is this pipe n vertex thingies of the graphics card.......

i saw a mod to unlock 2 more pipes of ma 6800gs........

is it safe..???....they say that it might damage the card.......

once i unlock them....and if i find some problem can i reverse the process ??????........

anyway...plzz help me with the flickering problem first ........

thanks guys......

[deathvirus_me]

i saw a mod to unlock 2 more pipes of ma 6800gs........

Not pcie ,, only agp ..

Just make two things very clear,that you should have atleast 400W+ supply from either of Coolermaster or Antec brands.
And second,you will need decent cooling to maximize the potential of your card.
@death_virus
Playing above the native resolution of the LCD isn't possible,as you dont get the resolution settings above the default in the game.
And if somehow you does,then flickering has nothing to do with the thing.
This simply relates to the power supply nuisances.

A friend of mine has a samsung lcd whose native res. is 1280*1024 , and the max. supported is 1600*1200 ... when he play Condemned Criminals at lower than 1024*1024 say 1024*768 , he experiences strange flickering ... the only remedy is to change to res. of 1280*1024 or above .... he has a good enough psu for powering his whole rig ...

[anilthomas26]

yup...mine is an agp version of the 6800gs.........

so...can i unlock the extra pipes(wateva those r......as long as i can squeeze all the performance i can get from ma card ...lol).......

if i do so using riva tuner.....and if i encounter any problems.......can i rollback the entire process ??????

will it affect my card's warranty ??????

most importanly.......i found this mode to convert the gs to a gt and then to an ultra.........my gs already has a fan.......will it require any more cooling systems once i unlocked the pipes....(ie...once i converted it into the 6800gt..)...????

i dont plan to convert it to an ultr...coz i suppose it wud require serious coooling solutions.......

so...the most important question is if i can roll back the process.......and if it will damage my card ?????

[anilthomas26]

when u sing atitool for checking artifacts ther aint any problem.......

but while playing a game my screen still flickers......

here is a screen shot from atitool....

http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=untitled.a21.JPG

it tells that the no. of active vertex pipelines and and activer pixel pipelines are zero....!!
is that trouble ????

plzzz suggest anyways to remove this flickering.......plzzzzzzzz

[digitized]

yup...mine is an agp version of the 6800gs.........

so...can i unlock the extra pipes(wateva those r......as long as i can squeeze all the performance i can get from ma card ...lol).......

if i do so using riva tuner.....and if i encounter any problems.......can i rollback the entire process ??????

will it affect my card's warranty ??????

most importanly.......i found this mode to convert the gs to a gt and then to an ultra.........my gs already has a fan.......will it require any more cooling systems once i unlocked the pipes....(ie...once i converted it into the 6800gt..)...????

i dont plan to convert it to an ultr...coz i suppose it wud require serious coooling solutions.......

so...the most important question is if i can roll back the process.......and if it will damage my card ?????

Yes, it will void your card's warranty. Your warranty will be voided. Rivatuner is an excellent tool for overclocking and doing these kind of stuff, i.e. unlocking extra pipes, etc. And I feel that the process cannot be reversed. Just google for yourself as "unlocking 6800GS AGP + rivatuner" and find out.

[anilthomas26]

plzzzzzzzzzz help meeeeeeeee........

my screen is still flickering while playing games................

wat do i do.......the games which i played properly with my fx5200(256mb).....is flickering with my new evga 6800gs(256mb)......

plzzz help me guys......

[hellrider]

Get atleast a 400W SMPS, coz 6800GS needs more power. Buy Intex or Antec. Here u will notice dat, for 6800 cards u hav to give power supply directly from one of PSU's power cables as AGP slots doesn't drive dat amount of power as Card needs. Actually Nvidia reccomends 450W SMPS atleast for 6600 & 6800 series.

[aryayush]

No need to go for DDR2. It isn't that much faster than DDR. If you want proof, just check the performance of AMD's new AM2 socket that uses DDR2. It is barely anything extra over the old socket 939 that used DDR. Read about it on www.anandtech.com
The Pentium D 805 isn't "processor with the same speed". It's dual core or 2 processors in 1. It can perform 2 tasks simultaneously which a single core 2.66 GHz couldn't. It's great for multitasking.
You are partly correct when you say that AMD beats the pants off Intel. What at what cost? The AMD dual core X2 3800+ costs about Rs. 17,000 while the Intel one I recommended costs just Rs. 6000. Agreed it's slower but not by much and it saves your cash so can spend it on a better graphics card. Finally your gaming experience depends more on the graphics card than the processor.

I suggest you read this review to understand why I'm recommending this processor http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_41_ghz_cores/OK. You have me convinced on the DDR2 front. I am opting for DDR now. Now, is there any advantage if I buy Corsiar? Or any other company will do?
I am still doubtful about Intel vs AMD though. The link you provided claims that the processor can be overclocked to 4.1 GHz but I don't know how to overclock and am not willing to risk my processor. So for me, it will run at stock speed of 2.66 GHz which is just unacceptable. I was thinking of something above 3 GHz, at the least. I plan to use the PC mainly for using Maya, 3DSMAX, etc. and have therefore, decided not to invest in a graphics card. I suppose my current card won't pose any problems, will it?
So it comes back to the processor. Now that I can afford to spend a bit more on it, which processor should I buy? Please give me a few options with the street prices, advantages and disadvantages of each!

[Aniruddh]

no doubt d805 is a very decent proc...and VFM..but if u r not gonna overclock then 3000+ is much betta trust me...less power consuming..runs cooler..much betta for gaming...and almost da same for other stuff wen compared to d805.
-and yaa gud companies ram will ofcourse make diff...u can go for kingston,transcend,corsair...they are very gud companies...wen comes to ram.
-Get atleast 450w PSU

[mohit]

no doubt d805 is a very decent proc...and VFM..but if u r not gonna overclock then 3000+ is much betta trust me...less power consuming..runs cooler..much betta for gaming...and almost da same for other stuff wen compared to d805.
-and yaa gud companies ram will ofcourse make diff...u can go for kingston,transcend,corsair...they are very gud companies...wen comes to ram.
-Get atleast 450w PSU

if i am not wrong ..u were urself planning to dump ur 3000+ for a d805 coz u find the 3000+ sluggish in multi-tasking .. change of mind eh ?

well d805 is better than the 3000+ in everything but gaming .. and when u overclcok the d805 .. it can even give a tough fight to the amd athlon fx series at everything .. it needs good cooling though.

so if u r not gonna oc then,

gaming = 3000+
anything else = d805

but i strongly recommend ocing the hell out of the d805 :D

[Aniruddh]

if i am not wrong ..u were urself planning to dump ur 3000+ for a d805 coz u find the 3000+ sluggish in multi-tasking .. change of mind eh ?

well d805 is better than the 3000+ in everything but gaming .. and when u overclcok the d805 .. it can even give a tough fight to the amd athlon fx series .. it needs good cooling though.

so gaming = 3000+ (and dont forget to oc it)
anything else = d805 (oc it again :D)
but as u only said that if i m not gonna ova clock this proc then mine current proc is much betta...well u remember my words but forgot urs.
at da same time v thought this is 65NM proc...but as u remember that day v saw in de intel site that it isnt...and then u asked me to stick wid my current one.

[mohit]

that is coz u had already bought a 3000+ my dear ..and u were acting foolish by buying a d805 for no reason .. nobody would advice u to change to d805 from a 3000+ and waste cash on the whole setup that too when u were not ready to OC ..coz there is hardly any difference until overclocking takes place ..but the d805 still is better than a 3000+ in multi-tasking.. and the d805 kicks the 3000+ hard once u oc it. it ocies like crazy.

and there is nothing wrong in the D805 being 90nm .. it still runs much cooler than the earlier prescotts.

[Aniruddh]

Arre...but dude i had sum other plans...as i was going for new rams and all...thats why i thought of going for this setup...else i wud hav juz changed my mobo...not de proc..nywayz...dis will go on and on and on.

[drvarunmehta]

So for me, it will run at stock speed of 2.66 GHz which is just unacceptable. I was thinking of something above 3 GHz, at the least. I plan to use the PC mainly for using Maya, 3DSMAX, etc.
The Athlon64 3000+ runs at only 1.8 GHz. Is that acceptable to you? Gigahertz isn't the proper indicator of performance.
In fact since you want to use your PC for Maya and 3DSMAX, all the more reason to choose Intel. It's one thing Intel is actually better at than AMD.

[aryayush]

But I can afford to shell out more than Rs. 6,000. Aren't there better processors out there? And if GHz isn't an indicator of performance, what is?
And how much will 2 GB of Corsiar DDR RAM cost me? And how much will be the speed? Will it be more than 400 MHz?
BTW, Maya and 3DSMAX won't cause troubles with my mediocre graphics card, will they? I mean, do I need a better card for them to perform well?

[drvarunmehta]

If you want a better processor, get a Pentium D 9xx series processor. they come with 4 MB of L2 cache and would be great for your work. They use much less power and produce less heat than the 8xx series processors. A Pentium D 920 would cost about 11-12k.
A 6600GT should be enough for rendering. If you feel the need for a better card you can always upgrade later.

[aryayush]

Thanks! You have been the most helpful and patient thus far! :)
Don't you know the answers to the other questions?
And if GHz isn't an indicator of performance, what is?
And how much will 2 GB of Corsiar DDR RAM cost me? And how much will be the speed? Will it be more than 400 MHz?

And is my 400W PSU enough to power the system? If I need to upgrade, how much do I need to shell out?

[deathvirus_me]

And if GHz isn't an indicator of performance, what is?

Loads of things ... the processor architecture itself ... the processor is really good with lower L1 : L2 cache (where the L2 should atleast be 512 KB) ... specially if the processor has an integrated mem. controller ... and support better mem. management ... heavy duty apps. prefer long pipeline (= higher speed) .. and mem. intensive one like the ones with shorter pipelines (=less core clocks) .... so u see the final performance will not be depending upon the GHz itself ...

2 GB of Corsiar DDR RAM cost me? And how much will be the speed? Will it be more than 400 MHz?

Should be atleast 20k's for standard ddr400 modules .... and if u want lower latency one's it'll cost even higher ... also .. the speed depends upon the model .. like pc3200 -> 400 MHz , pc3500 -> 433 MHz , pc4000 -> 500 MHz etc. etc. ...

[aryayush]

Man, that RAM costs a HUGE amount of money. I'll stick to the cheaper alternatives, thank you very much! :)
So what are these cheaper alternatives?And is my 400W PSU enough to power the system? If I need to upgrade, how much do I need to shell out?

[deathvirus_me]

So what are these cheaper alternatives?

Well .. normal zion or kingston ram should do .. actually unless and untill u oc much .. u won't require very good rams ... most ram can push latencies to 2.5,3,3,6 .. lol ..

And is my 400W PSU enough to power the system? If I need to upgrade, how much do I need to shell out?

ur using the pc in ur sig ??? Even if so ... a good 350W psu from Antec , Coolermaster should do .... just make sure it supplies over 20A across 12V ...

[Aniruddh]

Loads of things ... the processor architecture itself ... the processor is really good with lower L1 : L2 cache (where the L2 should atleast be 512 KB) ... specially if the processor has an integrated mem. controller ... and support better mem. management ... heavy duty apps. prefer long pipeline (= higher speed) .. and mem. intensive one like the ones with shorter pipelines (=less core clocks) .... so u see the final performance will not be depending upon the GHz itself ...



Should be atleast 20k's for standard ddr400 modules .... and if u want lower latency one's it'll cost even higher ... also .. the speed depends upon the model .. like pc3200 -> 400 MHz , pc3500 -> 433 MHz , pc4000 -> 500 MHz etc. etc. ...

20k for 2GB DDR400mhz ram...from where u got that rate man???...well 2GB shud come arnd 8.5k with three yr warranty (transcend)if i m not wrong eva u can get kingston for this much.1GB 400MHz ram stick arnd 4.2k.

-Get a Antec 480w or above psu...it will b a one time investment...and will serve u for yrs 2 come thats 4 sure eva if u upgrade u can stick wid da same gpu..dun go for cheap brand or low watt psu...hav heard bout powersafe that its gud at da same time quite cheap compared to Antec,coolermaster..so u can eva check out powersafe...but i'll recommend ANTEC.

[deathvirus_me]

20k for 2GB DDR400mhz ram...from where u got that rate man???

Dude step out and visit a retailer nearby .. ask him about 2 GB of Corsair XMS or OCZ Gold mem. modules .... u'll see ... and i got 2 GB for 9.2 k's (inc VAT) ... lol ... and my reply was to someone who was looking for corsair modules ..

Anyway .. check this link :

http://www.theitdepot.com/categories1.asp?cat=1024

the prices are pretty standard ...

[Aniruddh]

arnd 9k for corsair is very much ok..OCZ no doubt one of the best at the same time expensive...but wen he can go for normal Corsair ram for 9k then wat da use of XMS..etc etc.and i dun think he is gonna overclock and all.
@aryayush...go for transcend or kingston eva they r one of de best...and will cum arnd 8k with 3 yr warranty.
and by the way this is a graphic card related sticky not ram..etc etc.

[aryayush]

Even 8 K sounds way too much! :(
So basically, I should buy Intel Pentium D 920 and 2 GB of Transcend RAM (400 MHz) and should stick with the same graphics card, mobo and PSU? Right?
Aniruddh, how much does the PSU you suggested cost?

I have one final question for deathvirus_me.
You told me that Intel processors are better for rendering, etc. However, I saw a comparison once that contradicted your opinion and I saw a similar comparison on this page when I did a Google on it:
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/print_content.asp?id=pd900&cookie%5Ftest=1
In their comparison tests, Intel Pentium D 920 lost EVERY round! What have you got to say about it?

[deathvirus_me]

well .. coz the XMS ones can take a lot of beating with about say 20% oc'ing and low latencies .... and i think even the corsair value ram's costs quite load .. around 14k's for 2 GB i think ....

arnd 9k for corsair is very much ok..OCZ no doubt one of the best at the same time expensive...but wen he can go for normal Corsair ram for 9k then wat da use of XMS..etc etc.and i dun think he is gonna overclock and all.

All 1 GB i guess .... price is just a few hundred bucks less for 2 GB

[supersaiyan]

isn't this thread for gfx card related queries?? and u guys are talking about ram

[deathvirus_me]

I have one final question for deathvirus_me.
You told me that Intel processors are better for rendering, etc. However, I saw a comparison once that contradicted your opinion and I saw a similar comparison on this page when I did a Google on it:
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/print_con...ookie%5Ftest=1
In their comparison tests, Intel Pentium D 920 lost EVERY round! What have you got to say about it?

Hmm .. i doubt if they actually did do those tests ... infact in 3DMark06 .. just a 3.6 GHz (oc'ed from 3.0 GHz) Pentium4 630 processor beats my 3500+ by almost 200 points ...

[aryayush]

isn't this thread for gfx card related queries?? and u guys are talking about ramTalking about other things is not restricted, however. And since a conversation had kicked off, it did not make much sense to move it to some other thread.

[edgetec]

i'm thinking of buying geforce 6600 256mb AGP card. Which shud i go for
XFX ...Leadtek...MSI...Gainward....PNY or BFG

[mohit]

Buy in this order imHo,

Gainward>>BFG>>Leadtek>>XFX>>PNY>>MSI.

[deathvirus_me]

XFX .... personally my favourite ...

[edgetec]

any idea on how much does XFX or Gainward geforce 6600 256 mb AGP card cost ??

[ashfame]

does 7600gt comes in a 256MB, 128bit/256bit mode for a pcie 16x slot?
how much does it cost?(256MB/128MB)

[aryayush]

XFX .... personally my favourite ...Mine too. Go for XFX.
In fact, buy this card:
'XFX GeForce 6600 GT 256MB DDR3'

[edgetec]

how much did u pay for XFX geforce 6600 GT??

[aryayush]

I paid nine thousand rupees for it.

[supersaiyan]

i would suggest you to buy the 7600gs 256mb not only because it has a superior architecture but also it performs better than the 6600gt 256mb and it comes for the same price.

[soulrogue]

umm.. i need a graphics card must run on 2.2volt(i dont know what this means)...high end so that i can play games like pop t2t ,but must be fairly priced... i really dont know about volts n gfx cards so guys help me out a bit
any suggestions on which card should i choose(.....and please also if possible what does 2.2v on a gfx card mean??)


so its a 2.2v high end gfx card

[batsD1]

I recently bought an Elsa Gladiac P940GT (Nvidia 6800 GT)card with 256 MB
memory. I ran the card for a few weeks on a 300 watt SMPS and kept getting
insufficient power messages. So I plugged in an extra power connector from
the PSU and lowered the performance of the card using Nvidia desktop
manager. Now I have changed to a 400 watt SMPS but the card refuses to work
and my display stays blank at bootup. The integrated Graphics works fine
however.
My system is a P4 2.8 Ghz, 2 GB DDR ram, 120 GB HDD, Intel 915 GAV
motherboard.

Is my card damaged or is there some setting which I need to figure out.

[chota_rod_waala]

is geforce 7300GS available in india ? rate ?

[samrulez]

Yes 7300 GS is available in India my friend has it......but I don't know the price.........but it is not as good as 6600GT..

[mohit]

I recently bought an Elsa Gladiac P940GT (Nvidia 6800 GT)card with 256 MB
memory. I ran the card for a few weeks on a 300 watt SMPS and kept getting
insufficient power messages. So I plugged in an extra power connector from
the PSU and lowered the performance of the card using Nvidia desktop
manager. Now I have changed to a 400 watt SMPS but the card refuses to work
and my display stays blank at bootup. The integrated Graphics works fine
however.
My system is a P4 2.8 Ghz, 2 GB DDR ram, 120 GB HDD, Intel 915 GAV
motherboard.

Is my card damaged or is there some setting which I need to figure out.

yup maybe ur card is damaged ..but i suggest u check it on some friends machine who has a good psu. this will confirm if the fault is with your machine or the card.

[edgetec]

Guys i've found something unsual

Power Wattage Calculator ( PSU ultilization calculator )

http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/

[mohit]

^^^very old stuff ..look in the forums ..its been posted so many times already.

[edgetec]

guys i wanted to know how much power does a plain geforce 6600 AGP card consume??
According to XBIT labs they say it consumes abt 40-45W ( Loaded Condition )
According to tomshardware they say it consumes 210W! ( Loaded Condition )

I'm getting confused over these figures...
I'm on a Mercury 300W PSU with lesser hardware devices in my PC so they might draw less power...

Anyone here running geforce 6600 with 300W PSU ??

According to this ---> http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp (PSU calculator)
my PC wud consume 190W with geforce 6600

[anilthomas26]

hey.......i had posted ma problem bfore......

i bought an evga 6800gs 256mb card.......

when i play games the monitor keeps flickering.......

ma config :

amd64bit 2800+
asus k8n mobo
512mb ram.....

one suggestion i got was to get a new smps of a higher wattage...( currently i am using a 300watt smps)....(i'll get ma new smps within 2 days).....

i jst wanted to add one more info so that any of u guys can help me.....

if start ma system and take the game imediately ther is no flickering....but i exit from the game and play after sometime the flickering begins........

help me guys......

[anilthomas26]

the flickering is completely rando.........when it is gonna come is unpredicatble........is ma smps the proble ???

[anilthomas26]

the flickering is completely random..........we jst cant predict when it is gonna come...........is ma smps the problem ???

[TechMogul]

the flickering is completely random..........we jst cant predict when it is gonna come...........is ma smps the problem ???

1st of all get a PSU atleast 450w or above and dont go for cheap brand get a proper PSU either it is bcoz of PSU or not..as 300w is less for ur rig.
-flickering can also be due to magnet...like speakers etc..is anythin with magnet nearby ur cpu,monitor?even this can b 1 of the reason for it.

[john_the_ultimate]

@edgetec
I think 300W SMPS is the minimum requirement for 6600 gfx card. So if ur card is performing as expected without any problems then don't worry. But do use a good branded PSU.

[edgetec]

ya.. i use Mercury(Kobian) 300W PSU

[john_the_ultimate]

Well I don't have much confidence in Mercury,Intex,iBall PSU (had bad experience with all of them). But if it works for u then fine. I am using Powersafe 450W SMPS.

[anirudhasarawgi]

how much WATTS(SMPS) will my pc will consume

AMD64 3500+ Venice @ 2200Mhz (200*11x)
ASUS A8n-sli premium
Corsair Value Series 512MB RAM x 2 (ddr 400mhz)
XFX 7800GT 450/1050
120GB Seagate SATA HDD @ 7200rpm
Sony CRX320EE - dvd cmbo
SONY DRU-820 - dvd writer
Creative Audigy 2 zs
netgear 54mbps wireless lan
3 x 80mm fans
front lcd temperature display n fan control

[deathvirus_me]

http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp

[edgetec]

Guys finally i bought BIG GeForce 6600 256 mb AGP 8x card for 5,650+tax.
The Shop had only MSI & BIG but MSI was 6,400 for 6600 plain so i had to opt for BIG. Also i bought a new 400W intex SMPS for 450Rs.

Ok here r the prices for cards in B'lore...

All the BIG company branded cards...

AGP
Geforce 6200 - 2500
Geforce 6600 - 5650
Geforce 6600 GT - 8100
GeForce 6800 - 9400

PCI-E

Geforce 6600 - 4800
Geforce 6600GT - 7700
Geforce 6800 - 9000
GeForce 7300 - 3500



Guys i'm not able to find a review for BIG geforce 6600 card if anyone finds it plz ...plz post it!

[trigger_happy]

OK graphic card Geniuses out there:
My friend has 128 mb RAM, a 2.something GHz Pentium 4(NO HT). NO GRAPHICS CARD and AOE 3 works without laggin for him.

Me, I have 1 GB RAM, P4 3.00 GHz (with HT), and a 256 mb nVIDia XFX 5200.
Here is the funny part, AOE 3 lags its heart out in my Comp.!!!
What is going on here?
I got Empire Earth 2, it lags as well. I can only play F.E.A.R. on its most min settings.I've got Hitman Blood Money now and i need 2 play it. HELP!!!
Is it a prob only with my graphics card or is there anything else thats could be wrong?

[drvarunmehta]

I refuse to believe that AOE 3 works on a comp with only 128 MB RAM and no graphics card and that too without any lag.
As for your comp, the graphics card is the weak point. A FX5200 is too slow to play the latest games. You need atleast a 6600 to enjoy AOE 3 and FEAR.

[deathvirus_me]

I refuse to believe that AOE 3 works on a comp with only 128 MB RAM and no graphics card and that too without any lag.

Well .. sometime its quite hard to believe ... but u'll see tha NFSMW runs better on a MX4000 than on a 6200 .... welll the answer is very simple ...

In this case the FX5200 has many features actually implemented in the game , but is very poor at handling the shaders ... do instead u get a poor performance ... now with the onboard graphics adapter .. the game doesn't use any of those intensive shaders .. so the game has a better chance of smooth running .... albeit at very uber low visuals ... no effects , no aa etc. etc. ...

[drvarunmehta]

That might explain why the onboard graphics chip can handle AOE 3, but nothing can make up for the lack of RAM. There will be so much swapping from the page file that the game will be anything but lag free.

I quote this from the readme file for AOE 3

Age of Empires III does not support the following video cards:
Intel 945
Intel 915
Intel 810 / 815
Intel 845
Intel 850
Intel 865
Intel i740

If there is any other onboard chip by Intel, please tell me about it. It must be really powerful indeed.

[Prasath]

Hey friends,
My budget is around 6000. Can u please answer me the following questions.......

1) I have ASUS A7N266-VM motherboard (AGP-4X) slot & AMD 2000 XP, Power supply is 300W. Can u suggest me some best nvidia graphic cards for this board. What cards this slot supports in?

2) Are AGP 8x cards are compatible for this board. Are there any compaible issues?

Hey friends...Please take this on a serious note ,I want to play latest games.
Awaiting your replies..........

[samrulez]

Hey friends,
My budget is around 6000. Can u please answer me the following questions.......

1) I have ASUS A7N266-VM motherboard (AGP-4X) slot & AMD 2000 XP, Power supply is 300W. Can u suggest me some best nvidia graphic cards for this board. What cards this slot supports in?

2) Are AGP 8x cards are compatible for this board. Are there any compaible issues?

Hey friends...Please take this on a serious note ,I want to play latest games.
Awaiting your replies..........

U can plug in a 4X card in a 8X slot but it won't perform at its peak.......

For a AGP card u can go for 6600/6600GT.6600GT will be a better option for 7.5K but if ur budget is 6k then u can go for a 6600 for 5k
.......for the brand go for XFX..

But to play games u need atleast 512 Mb of ram but 1Gig is recommended...

[deathvirus_me]

2.something GHz Pentium 4(NO HT)

If its a P4 .. then the mobo must be atleast 845 chipset one ... so its quite clear that it falls in the min. requirement category ... Take a look at this :

This one is on a Intel Extreme Graphics .... with 256 MB ram ..

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/6659/screen105lq.th.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen105lq.jpg)

And this on a 6600GT , with 1 GB ram ..

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/839/age320050911100714818ed.th.jpg (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=age320050911100714818ed.jpg)

The iq diff. is very noticeable ... now the guy with the 845 chipset mobo , ran it at 800*600 , with all the allowed settings to max .... so i don't see why it won't run with just 128 MB ram at medium settings , considering the fact that AoE II runs smooth with 128 MB ram at full settings. ....

[Darthvader]

And dont 4get that the 915 chipset supports hardware shaders 2.0 so theoretically it can run Oblivion also .
I ran it on that and the performance is much bettr than the fx series
The fx series is really a blemish in Nvidia's superb cards

[amigoatul]

Guys,

Im planning to order a video card through my cousin who is returning from America.Which card shud i go for ,the nvidia 7600GT or the 7900GT.Ive checked the prices on tigerdirect.com and they cost $170 and $300 respectively.Do you think i can manage my gaming requirements with the 7600GT?Or is the 7900GT worth the xtra dough??Im planning on playing action and racing games like NFSMW,Fear,COD2,Quake4 etc and the ones coming in the future.Im thinking abt going for the 7600GT so that i can add another card later to get the SLI going on my new sys (I'll be buying one this week).Pls suggest the best option.Also suggest a good SLI mobo for AMD 64 3200 939 pin cpu.And are the Altec Lansing MX5021 worth their price?

Reply soon coz i need to send my cousin the detailsabt the video card.Also please mention the brand ie BIG,XFX,eVGA etc. i shud go for the video card.
Will be waiting for ur suggestions.

Thanks
Atul

[drvarunmehta]

The 7900GT is way better than the 7600GT, so it's up to you whether you want to spend the extra dough. It all boils down to the resolution you want to game at. If you have a 17" CRT, you probably can't go above 1280x960. Then the 7600GT will be enough for current games. If you want to play at a higher res get a 7900GT.
And please don't go with a 7600GT with SLI in mind. You might as well buy the 7900GT. Remember, 2x7600GT SLI = 7900GT.
eVGA, BFG, Leadtek are the brands you should look out for.

[vibhu]

Hi guys i am new here and i m new to these graphics cards also...i wish to buy a new graphics card and my friend has suggested me NVidia Geforce 6500 because my budget is under 5k, my pcs configuration is:

Compaq Presario Sr1430IL
Pentium 4 2.93 Ghz
512 MB Ram

And i do not know about motherboards and all, so any kind soul can please tell me whether i can use this card or not and please suggest me any other compatible card also...
regards vibhu

PS:You can check the compaq web site for more details which i couldnt understand

[amigoatul]

Hey drvarunmehta,thanks for the reply.
Great point abt the resolution limitation with the 17inch CRT.
I think i will go for the 7600GT as i will be buying a 17inch crt.
Could u pls answer my other questions as well abt the mobo and spkrs.
Thanks again.

[drvarunmehta]

Best choice for an SLI mobo would be Asus A8N-SLI. And yes, the Altec Lansing MX5021 is worth the price. Actually anything that's THX certified can safely be considered as a really good product.

[anilthomas26]

hey.......i had posted ma problem bfore......

i bought an evga 6800gs 256mb card.......

when i play games the monitor keeps flickering.......

ma config :

amd64bit 2800+
asus k8n mobo
512mb ram.....

one suggestion i got was to get a new smps of a higher wattage...( currently i am using a 300watt smps)....(i'll get ma new smps within 2 days).....

i jst wanted to add one more info so that any of u guys can help me.....

if start ma system and take the game imediately ther is no flickering....but i exit from the game and play after sometime the flickering begins........

help me guys......


hey.....i got a new smps.....its rated 450 watts....but the currents across the 5 and 12V rails are 15 and 8amps respectively...........

i played fear without any trouble for a day...and then the flickering started again...is it becoz my smps' ampearage is not gud......

help me..........

[aryayush]

If you have a 17" CRT, you probably can't go above 1280x960.Well, you CAN in some monitors. My monitor (Acer AF715) supports 1600x1200 at an impressive 75 Hertz. And at approximately Rs. 6,500, it is a steal. :)

[digitized]

Well, you CAN in some monitors. My monitor (Acer AF715) supports 1600x1200 at an impressive 75 Hertz. And at approximately Rs. 6,500, it is a steal. :)

And so, since he is also buying a 17" CRT as well, he might as well get this one (AF715) with a 7900GT. It's worth spending the money. Remember the prices here are much greater than that in the US...

[vibhu]

Hi guys i am new here and i m new to these graphics cards also...i wish to buy a new graphics card and my friend has suggested me NVidia Geforce 6500 because my budget is under 5k, my pcs configuration is:

Compaq Presario Sr1430IL
Pentium 4 2.93 Ghz
512 MB Ram

And i do not know about motherboards and all, so any kind soul can please tell me whether i can use this card or not and please suggest me any other compatible card also...
regards vibhu

PS:You can check the compaq web site for more details which i couldnt understand

Guys, i need some help here, can anyone please help me out???

[john_the_ultimate]

@vibhu
Ur machine doesn't have a AGP/PCI-E slot, so u cannot install a gfx card. Well u could buy a PCI gfx card, but I wouldn't recommend that. Reason very hard to get and not worth it. Ur integrated video controller would be better than PCI gfx card. And ur Compaq mobo is:
Manufacturer: MSI
Motherboard Name: PTGD1-LA
Compaq motherboard name: Goldfish2-GL8E
see the hardware details here: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=462093&lang=en&docname=c00303969#N394

[vibhu]

Thanks for helping John, so if my computer doesnt have a PCIe slot then is there any way to fix this problem, like putttig a new PCIe slot or like buying a new motherboard?? but i can only spend about 10k for all that including the nvidia geforce 6500 whose cost is abt Rs.3500....Please help me, now i am really starting to hate my computer, its not even a year old...
regards vibhu

[john_the_ultimate]

Well u cannot put/install a pci-e slot...........But u could certainly but a new mobo.

U have a 775 socket processor so u could buy ASUS P5RD1-VM see details here : http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=179&model=770&modelmenu=1

It has a pci-e slot and costs around 4-4.5K. So if u buy this plus the gfx card then it all comes within ur budget.
U could also try and get geforce 6600 or 6600gt gfx card. Check the price with local vendor, if 6600gt comes within ur budget (for 6600gt u must extend ur budget by around 2K) then buy it much better than 6500 and 6600.

[vibhu]

Hi john, it says it already has a radeon x300 gpu, does that mean that i'll have to first take that gpu out and then put the new one or i can install both simuntaneously?? and i m trying to minimize my budget to the maximum extent so i m thinking of buying th 6500, is it bad??
regards vibhu

[vibhu]

John, i just contacted my computer dealer and he said that my 2.93Ghz processor wont support the 800Mhz processor and he said that if i were to change the processor then it will altogether (alongwith geforce 6500) cost around 16k, and he says that i should go for 400Mhz Ati radeon processor...what should i do...is he correct?? i m confused...
regards vibhu

[deathvirus_me]

John, i just contacted my computer dealer and he said that my 2.93Ghz processor wont support the 800Mhz processor and he said that if i were to change the processor then it will altogether (alongwith geforce 6500) cost around 16k, and he says that i should go for 400Mhz Ati radeon processor...what should i do...is he correct?? i m confused...
regards vibhu

This doesn't make any sense at all .. except the regards part i.e. ...

[vibhu]

Pardon?? i just said that my dealer is telling that the motherboard that john_the_ultimate suggested wont work with my 2.93Ghz processor...he says that if i want to buy that mobo then i need to buy a new processor...so he says that i should go for a 400Mhz ati radeon mobo...
Thats it
regards vibhu

[deathvirus_me]

so he says that i should go for a 400Mhz ati radeon mobo...

Yeah .. thats what ... 400 MHz mobo ??? i don't get it ... was he implying the core speed of the onboard mobo ???

And what soket processor ru having ?? Skt. 478 or LGA 775 ... sometimes dealers just say stupid things just like that ...

[john_the_ultimate]

@deathvirus
Hi! john here.......well he has a socket 775, as per the specification given in compaq site.

The only thing is that his current proc. has FSB of 533 and the mobo I just suggested support FSB 800/1066. My mistake.

@ vibhu
U could see the following mobo, it supports both FSB 533/800 MHz. : http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=170&model=1044&modelmenu=1

or u could see this mobo http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=185&model=1022&modelmenu=1 , it supports FSB of 1066/800/533 MHz and also supports Dual-core processor (good for future upgrade). Don't know the prices, check with ur local vendor.

[Darthvader]

Since i see there is mighty confusion all around let me poke in
@ vibhu : u dont need to change ur mobo since u found out it already has the x300 gpu which is more than enough for running the current crop of games at medium to low details.
Hell it can even run oblivion

[anandrules]

hey i am getting a brand new Sapphire ATI Radeon x1600 pro for around 5-6k. Is it a good deal?? How does it compare with nvidia 6600GT?? can i run new games @ medium/high settings and res=1024*768 ?

[Darthvader]

X1600 Pro = 4 pixel pipelines, 12 pixel shading units, 5 vertex units, 128-bit interface. Clocks 500/780.

6600GT = 8 pixel pipelines, 8 pixel shading units, 3 vertex units, 128-bit interface. Clocks 500/900.

Hence both are good enough but due to the easilty overclockable nature of the 6600gt it may have an advantage.

Anyways the competition is close
radeon leads in FEAR, Oblivion and many other card hungry benchmarks
So its a good buy

[drvarunmehta]

Actually the X1600 Pro has 12 pixel pipelines as reported by Everest Ultimate Edition.

[anandrules]

yups it has 12 pipelines...here are the specs

SpecificationsModel
Brand :SAPPHIRE
Model :100148L

Interface: AGP 4X/8X

Chipset Manufacturer: ATI
GPU :Radeon X1600PRO
Core clock: 500MHz
PixelPipelines: 12
Memory
Memory Clock: 800MHz
Memory Size :256MB
Memory Interface: 128-bit
Memory Type :GDDR2
3D API
DirectX :DirectX 9
OpenGL :OpenGL 2.0
Ports
D-SUB :1
DVI :1
TV-Out HDTV/S-Video/Composite Out
VIVO No
General
Tuner None
RAMDAC 400 MHz
Max Resolution 2560x1600
Cooler Heatsink and Fan
Operating Systems Supported Windows 2000/XP

Features :Avivo Technology
Smoothvision HD
Adaptive AA
Vido acceleration of :MPEG-2, MPEG-4, DivX, WMV9, VC-1, and H.264

[vibhu]

Thanks John...i asked my dealer about the mobo but he says he has got only Ati Radeon mobo and when i asked him the model no. he said he doesnt know it...my computer is in warranty period so i dont want anyone else to open it..what should i do, should i go elsewhere and see if i find the asus mobo or take the ati mobo...n please tel me whether the geforce 6500 is good for playing aoe3 or not...and does it make any large difference if the card if of 128MB or 256MB??
regards vibhu

[vibhu]

Since i see there is mighty confusion all around let me poke in
@ vibhu : u dont need to change ur mobo since u found out it already has the x300 gpu which is more than enough for running the current crop of games at medium to low details.
Hell it can even run oblivion

Hi Deathvader, my mobo doesnt have an integaretd x300, the mobo suggested by John, Asus P5RD1-VM has it...but it isnt supported by my processor....

[Amish]

hi there folks
I own a mercury 845e motherboard with intel p4 2.4gh chipset
i need to know wat graphic card sopports my pc

[UNREAL]

Well I think If ur Mobo has an AGP slot then it must be 4x ! but u can use Any 8x AGP card ona 4x AGp slot ! Well rest al depends on ut Mobo n ur BUDGET!

[MysticHalo]

hi there folks
I own a mercury 845e motherboard with intel p4 2.4gh chipset
i need to know wat graphic card sopports my pc
AGP 4x...get x1300 Pro IMO...cheap and good

[john_the_ultimate]

Thanks John...i asked my dealer about the mobo but he says he has got only Ati Radeon mobo and when i asked him the model no. he said he doesnt know it...my computer is in warranty period so i dont want anyone else to open it..what should i do, should i go elsewhere and see if i find the asus mobo or take the ati mobo...n please tel me whether the geforce 6500 is good for playing aoe3 or not...and does it make any large difference if the card if of 128MB or 256MB??
regards vibhu

Well u could talk to compaq and see if they are able to make the upgrade. No idea about their policy and upgrade procedure. And why ask a single vendor about the mobo. If u want to buy, then search other shops and I am sure that u will get the mobo u want.

Geforce 6500 is good but only as an entry level gfx card. I would still suggest that u get atleast geforce 6600 128MB card. A 256MB 6500 or 6600 is not worth the money, as the memory bandwidth of 64-bit and 128-bit respectively, will not be able to use the 256MB memory efficiently.

And see if u have doubts and don't want anyone to "open" ur PC then might as well talk to compaq and see what they have to say about ur query.

[Darthvader]

Actually the X1600 Pro has 12 pixel pipelines as reported by Everest Ultimate Edition.

Actually u got confused :D
read this from wikipedia :
X1600 uses the RV530 core, a core that is quite a bit different from the RV515 or X1300 and the R520 of X1800. The X1600 is positioned to replace Radeon X600 and Radeon X700 as ATI's mid-range GPU.

It shares design philosophy with the X1900, in that it has a far different ratio of pixel shader processors. ATI has stated that the X1600 is designed with a far greater shader computational load, a prediction of future game workloads. Whereas the X1300 and X1800 have an equal pixel shader to texturing unit ratio, which targets a more equal workload of shaders and texturing in games, the RV530 of X1600 alters this to 12 pixel shaders and 4 texturing units. The chip's single "quad" has 3 pixel shader processors per pipeline.

So x1600 has 4 pixel pipelines each having 3 shader units thus equaling 12 pixel shader units not piprlines

[drvarunmehta]

Usually cards have 1 shader unit per pipeline, but the X1600 has 3 shader units per pipeline, so effectively it gives the performance of 12 pipelines while actually having only 4. While the 6600GT has 8 pipelines and 1 shader unit per pipeline so it gives the performance of 8 pipelines.
Did I get that right?

[anandrules]

Actually u got confused :D
read this from wikipedia :


So x1600 has 4 pixel pipelines each having 3 shader units thus equaling 12 pixel shader units not piprlines

hmm but the site i am buying for mentions specifically that there are 12 pixel pipelines. Y do they do that??

[Darthvader]

Usually cards have 1 shader unit per pipeline, but the X1600 has 3 shader units per pipeline, so effectively it gives the performance of 12 pipelines while actually having only 4. While the 6600GT has 8 pipelines and 1 shader unit per pipeline so it gives the performance of 8 pipelines.
Did I get that right?

actually it really is confusing since wat u are saying is nvidia .
Ati actually uses quad i.e four pixel shaders per pipeline in their high powered cards. here it is 3 per pipeline.

So yes u cud say that but i think it is more advantageous to have more pipelines since the gt manages to catch up to the x1600 even wehn it has 8 pipelines

@anand : as dvarun said the performance is quite equal so they might have confused shaders and pipelines

[anilthomas26]

i recently bought an eVGA 6800 GS 256mb.....
ma config is :

amd 64bit 2800+
asus k8n mobo
512mb ram

ma problem is that when i play games ma monitor flickers.....no like the refresh rate is low but like ther is some problem with the graphics........sometimes the grapphics is also very poor........at the same time i can play them perfectly properly sometimes........

i posted an enquiry before and one suggestion i got was to get an smps of higher wattage.....(earlier i had a 300watt smps).......so i got a new smps of 450W..........but still the problem persists.......

one think i noticed was that the current ratings across the 12 v rail was jst around 8amps.......is this the prob....?????? (i bought a cheap smps....800bugs....)........

i am posting a pic from riva tuner bout the vga bios info.....

http://s58.photobucket.com/albums/g257/stanzlavos/?action=view&current=vgabios.jpg

i have circled a portion showing something bout a 6800gt in the vga bios info....... is their a problem with that.......

i upgraded my bios but did not help.......(is there any separated bios for the graphics card and themotherboard.....?).......i upgraded ma motherboard bios......(of ma asus k8n..).....

plzzzzz help me guys........though the card isnt a very great one........ i waited a long time to get it......plz help me guys.............plzzzzzzz

[samrulez]

i recently bought an eVGA 6800 GS 256mb.....
ma config is :

amd 64bit 2800+
asus k8n mobo
512mb ram

ma problem is that when i play games ma monitor flickers.....no like the refresh rate is low but like ther is some problem with the graphics........sometimes the grapphics is also very poor........at the same time i can play them perfectly properly sometimes........

i posted an enquiry before and one suggestion i got was to get an smps of higher wattage.....(earlier i had a 300watt smps).......so i got a new smps of 450W..........but still the problem persists.......

one think i noticed was that the current ratings across the 12 v rail was jst around 8amps.......is this the prob....?????? (i bought a cheap smps....800bugs....)........

i am posting a pic from riva tuner bout the vga bios info.....

http://s58.photobucket.com/albums/g257/stanzlavos/?action=view&current=vgabios.jpg

i have circled a portion showing something bout a 6800gt in the vga bios info....... is their a problem with that.......

i upgraded my bios but did not help.......(is there any separated bios for the graphics card and themotherboard.....?).......i upgraded ma motherboard bios......(of ma asus k8n..).....

plzzzzz help me guys........though the card isnt a very great one........ i waited a long time to get it......plz help me guys.............plzzzzzzz


Install the latest drivers,...........

Is there and speaker or magnetic thing kept near the monitor.?How old is the monitor?

Which monitor do u have?

Try the same card in some one else's PC (1 who has a good SMPS)

[ranjan2001]

I saw the demo today of Acer AL1916W but the native resolution of this is 1440 x 900 due to which I could not actually see it properly as I max could go 1280.

Which graphic card do I need to buy which can run this wide screen properly for graphic purpose at 1440x900 on intel 845 glad motherboard.

http://www.shopireland.ie/electronic...il/B000CCB0OG/ at this link I read that I need to overclock the graphic card using powerstrip software is that the case, if so which cards allow better overclocking.

[akshayt]

don't go blindly with 1600pro or any other card by just seeing specs, take a look at benchies.
xbitlabs.com/articles/video, shows much higher scores though, maybe expect half or so
hardocp.com
tomshardware.com etc, beware of each site and look at many

the core architecture may be differnt, can you comapres apples to oragnes

1900XT has 48 pixel shaders whiles 7900GTX only has 24, there are numerous benchies where 7900GTX sweeps even 1900XTX, but in others it may loose as well.

[deathvirus_me]

Depends hugely upon the game ur running ... 7900GTX will be better in OpenGL games specifically like Doom , Quake ... X1900XTX should be the better one at d3d games ....

[arnold6123]

Hello guyz i hve a old model of geforce graphic card ..i lost its driver some months back and still searching for its driver on net..if any one of u have the same card and can upload it for me ...i would be very much thankfull 2 u
Heres the model no.(the one printed on the card..i dont hve the box)
GF2 MX400/64M

[nishant_nms]

Hello guyz i hve a old model of geforce graphic card ..i lost its driver some months back and still searching for its driver on net..if any one of u have the same card and can upload it for me ...i would be very much thankfull 2 u
Heres the model no.(the one printed on the card..i dont hve the box)
GF2 MX400/64M

go to the official nvidia site for the drivers

[andysmith45]

Is the forsa 7300GT (DDR2, 256 MB) better than 6600 (DDR2, 256 MB) from XFX or MSI? Also is it safe to buy forsa products?

[blackleopard92]

Is the forsa 7300GT (DDR2, 256 MB) better than 6600 (DDR2, 256 MB) from XFX or MSI? Also is it safe to buy forsa products?

7300GS /GT is better than 6600/GT.

how much do they cost?
I am going to buy one in this week, please be quick to tell me prices of all four cards

[drvarunmehta]

It might be better than the 6600, but it certainly isn't even close to the 6600GT.

[anilthomas26]

wat is agp fast write........my monitor used to flicker when i played games....i disabled agp fast write from the bios it didnt help.......

when i checked using riva tuner it said that agp fw was still enabled ...so i disabled it using riva tuner itself.....i think that solved the problem......the monitor aint flickering any more......

so guys.....wat is AGP FASTWRITE ???????

[shashank_digitreader]

hi dude! im using Nvidia GEforce4 MX 4000 128MB GPU
how can i disable the FSAA mode

[deathvirus_me]

wat is agp fast write........my monitor used to flicker when i played games....i disabled agp fast write from the bios it didnt help.......

Well ... something theoritically similar to DMA .. where the data is directly written into the vram without passing it through the CPU .... in some cases may even increase game performance ...

Strange ... can't seem to find a link between the flickering the agp fast writes. ...

[andysmith45]

[QUOTE=blackleopard92]7300GS /GT is better than 6600/GT.

One thing I know is that 7300 GS is worse than a 6600.

[royal]

could anybody provide feedback on FORSA 7600GT ( not GS ) ? :confused:

[andysmith45]

What about sparkle cards? Are they reliable?

[ikinji]

okay
please help me
which is the better bet for AGP 8x

GeForce 5200 128-bit 256MB
or
GeForce 6200 64-bit 128MB

i know both cards are not as good and outdated but still.

also does anyone know if GeForce 6200 128-bit is available in indian market and about what prices?

thanks.

[sam_1710]

Anyone from bangalore....????
I need a graphics card.... Budget :6K...
Kindly suggest me a graphics card....and please mention Bangalore rates...
Also from where can i buy these cards (in bangalore)!!!!
Thank you.

[samrulez]

Anyone from bangalore....????
I need a graphics card.... Budget :6K...
Kindly suggest me a graphics card....and please mention Bangalore rates...
Also from where can i buy these cards (in bangalore)!!!!
Thank you.

I don't know what is the price in B'lore but still.......

u can go for..........

6600 128 MB 5000
6600GT 128 MB 7500

This should be the price there also....

[blackleopard92]

the last time i enquired, 6600 256MB was seling for Rs3,500 in Nehru Place.

[deathvirus_me]

6600 256 MB ???? or 6200 ??

[hellrider]

the last time i enquired, 6600 256MB was seling for Rs3,500 in Nehru Place.

It can't be 6600. The price of 256MB 6600 is still around 5.5K, may be the shopkeeper is very much confused!!

Anyone from bangalore....????
I need a graphics card.... Budget :6K...
Kindly suggest me a graphics card....and please mention Bangalore rates...
Also from where can i buy these cards (in bangalore)!!!!
Thank you.

U can try Forsa 7300GT, according to some reviews it beats 6600GT. So get urself a 256MB DDR2 128bit Forsa 7300GT. Costs around 5.5K.
Buy it in SP road!!!

[ashfame]

no its right coz nvidia has discontinued production for 6600 6000gt series & is now engaged only in 7600gt.
one quoted me rs.2950 for it but now it will be hard if u can find it @ such prices.
other also sell them @ 5k but only retailer (nvidia authorised) were selling @ that price.

[thetopcyborg]

What about sparkle cards? Are they reliable?
please answer this question....


i'm also going for a Sparkle 6600GT and its fer 6k

but according to net reviews, sparkle gives excellent performance besides the low price and it's GREAT FOR OVERCLOCKERS

[deathvirus_me]

no its right coz nvidia has discontinued production for 6600 6000gt series & is now engaged only in 7600gt.
one quoted me rs.2950 for it but now it will be hard if u can find it @ such prices.
other also sell them @ 5k but only retailer (nvidia authorised) were selling @ that price.

Huh ??? 7600GT - 2950 ?? U've gotta be kidding me .... was it a used one ??

[Geforce]

Huh ??? 7600GT - 2950 ?? U've gotta be kidding me .... was it a used one ??

:-| Dumb 'n Dumber .....

He's talking 'bout 6600 non-gt.

[blackleopard92]

:-| Dumb 'n Dumber .....

He's talking 'bout 6600 non-gt.
not to mention blind as well.

and yes, 6600 256MB at Rs2600 is a steal

[royal]

i'm also going for a Sparkle 6600GT and its fer 6k

but according to net reviews, sparkle gives excellent performance besides the low price and it's GREAT FOR OVERCLOCKERS

could you post some links regarding review of Sparkle cards ? :)

[john_the_ultimate]

could you post some links regarding review of Sparkle cards ? :)

Here u could see the review for 6600GT AGP version: http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=7

[ashfame]

Huh ??? 7600GT - 2950 ?? U've gotta be kidding me .... was it a used one ??

i am talking 2950 for a 6600 256mb & not for a 7600gt.
if it had been i would hav made a quad sli

[supersaiyan]

I am planning to buy a new midrange card. i have my sight on 2 cards-the 7600gt and the x1800gto. now the thing is that the x1800gto has a 256bit memory as compared to the 7600gt but its priced a little higher. although it performs a little less than the 7600gt in opengl games like doom3 but i have seen that even in those games the difference isn't much. plus i saw on hardocp that the x1800gto expericences a lesser drop in fps as compared to the 7600gt when playing at higher resolutions. and it performs better than the 7600gt in all the other benchamarks.the only drawback is that it is priced slightly more than the 7600gt but the bundle is very good especially sapphire's. but still i am a little confused . so pls help me out! the x1800gto or the 7600gt.

[drvarunmehta]

The X1800GTO is better than the 7600GT in almost all games. If the difference isn't much then take the X1800GTO.

[deathvirus_me]

X1800GTO .... plus it does HDr and AA together ....

[hell_raiser2025]

my PC config is

AMD Athlon 64 2800+ 749 pin
Tul RS 480 MB
Seagate Barracuda 80 GB SATA 7200 rpm
1 GB RAM @ 400 Mhz
Sony DVD Rom
Sony CD RW
350 W PSU

i have recently purchased XFX GeForce 6800 XTreme 256MB DDR3 XXX edition video card and i want to know whether 350 W PSU is enough or do i need more power to power the video card ?
please reply soon.

thanks in advance

[john_the_ultimate]

@hell_raiser2025

I would suggest that you use atleast 450W PSU from ANTEC, POWERSAFE, VIP etc. While 350W is the minimum requirement but its still better to have a higher rated PSU than the minimum suggested.

[supersaiyan]

400W would be enough

[blackleopard92]

exactly which cable for power supply I have to look for before buying 6600?
I have a 450W supply, but its a local one, came preinstalled with cabinet.

[john_the_ultimate]

I don't think that a 6600 requires extra power cable but for 6600gt AGP the 4-pin molex cable is required. But for pci-e 6600gt the extra cable is not required as the pci-e itself is able to supply the required current.

[sagar_coolx]

no pci-e 6600 requres 4-pin molex power connector. i have 128mb 6600 by xfx.
btw,is it true that u get 6600 256mb@2950 rs or is it 6200?
then how much does 6200 cost?1500?

[john_the_ultimate]

no pci-e 6600 requres 4-pin molex power connector. i have 128mb 6600 by xfx.
btw,is it true that u get 6600 256mb@2950 rs or is it 6200?
then how much does 6200 cost?1500?

Now how is that possible, I have Leadtek 6600gt 128MB DDR3 PCI-E card and it doesn't require a molex connector so how come ur 6600 non-gt requires it. Maybe it is required for AGP version(though haven't seen one).

See this XFX 6600 DDR2 pci-e here, even it doesn't require an extra molex connector: http://www.penstarsys.com/reviews/video/xfx/6600_ddr2/6600ddr2_2.htm

No offence but correct me if I am wrong.

[navisangha]

Hi,
I hav a 915GAV , 2.8GHz , 512MB , 80 GB 7200rpm, please let me know if i buy nvidia GeForce 6200 256MB card, ll it perform betther in DOOM3??
like at moderate to high resolutions , as i m still able to play it on minimal without card.

[Geforce]

Hi,
I hav a 915GAV , 2.8GHz , 512MB , 80 GB 7200rpm, please let me know if i buy nvidia GeForce 6200 256MB card, ll it perform betther in DOOM3??
like at moderate to high resolutions , as i m still able to play it on minimal without card.

Don't waste your money on Geforce 6200, while it is slightly better than the onboard graphics but you would be better off with at least 6600. Look for 6600 @2950/- deal or just wait for now and buy 7300GT when it comes.

All this is of course assuming that you r on shoe-string budget, if not then go for Geforce 7600GS or 7600GT.

[edgetec]

guys i have BIG nvidia AGP 6600 256mb card. It has got no molex connector. You shud have 350W of PSU. I paid 5500Rs for AGP & PCI-E card costs u somewhere around 4.7K for 256mb

[supersaiyan]

Hi,
I hav a 915GAV , 2.8GHz , 512MB , 80 GB 7200rpm, please let me know if i buy nvidia GeForce 6200 256MB card, ll it perform betther in DOOM3??
like at moderate to high resolutions , as i m still able to play it on minimal without card.

u would be certainly better off with a gigabyte turbo 7300gt. check out the exact model number on gigabyte's website. for a review go to http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=562&p=10. if u need the dealer's number in delhi pm me.

[The Day Walker!]

hey bros,,,

my pc config is...

PIII 850 mhz,
384mb sdram,
160gb hdd,
intel 815 mb with agp slot (4x)
geforce 2 (64mb)
17" monitor (1024x768 res - 4 playing games)

i want 2 play latest games, but i cant since my card doesnt support

pixel shaders...

can any 1 plz suggest me a good card under or around 3000kss max.

needed help

thanx

angel

[blackleopard92]

it's impossible to play latest games on a PIII.
u need atleast AMD 3000+ or something equivalent(like P4 2.8Ghz, 3.2Ghz) to play games.

[samrulez]

hey bros,,,

my pc config is...

PIII 850 mhz,
384mb sdram,
160gb hdd,
intel 815 mb with agp slot (4x)
geforce 2 (64mb)
17" monitor (1024x768 res - 4 playing games)

i want 2 play latest games, but i cant since my card doesnt support

pixel shaders...

can any 1 plz suggest me a good card under or around 3000kss max.

needed help

thanx

angel

Adding a gfx card to ur system is of no use since it is 4X..
The processor and ram are also underpowered...
So to be able to play the latest games u need a 3000+ (or above) mobo with a AGP 8X or PCIe slot and a 6600 GT

[The Day Walker!]

hey bros i know i need 2 updrade 2 play good,,,

but i need a timebeing solution,,,in order not 2 invest much on my pc.

so that i can run 6-8 months,,,,

thanx

angel

[ashfame]

guys my friend has a AGP 8x slot & is in need of a good graphic card.
i had suggested him 6600gt but now he wants any other card more powerful than 6600gt.
budget <10k

[ashfame]

hey bros i know i need 2 updrade 2 play good,,,

but i need a timebeing solution,,,in order not 2 invest much on my pc.

so that i can run 6-8 months,,,,

thanx

angel

processor will also be a prob even if u change ur mobo.
todays games demands processing power >1ghz atleast & >2.66 is recommended.
even ur ram is sd.
sorry dude but u can't hav a timebeing soln for this.:rolleyes:

[shashank_digitreader]

hey, i have Geforce4 MX 4000 GPU. How do i disable the FSAA mode

[Geforce]

Goto desktop->rightclick->properties->settings->advanced->click on Geforce4 MX tab -> performance & quality settings on the left menu -> set antialiasing settings to off. Also uncheck Application-controlled settings in this.

I have assumed you have latest Forceware driver installed. :-)

[ashfame]

6800gt & 6800gs with 7600gs & 7600gt

[pantheratigris]

I have a problem with my Intel onboard graphics Intel(R) 82945G Express Chipset family display adapter. On Intels website it is said that the chip is a GMA 950 and that it supports Pixel Shader2.0 and Vertex Shader.
Inspite of this all the games that I try to run give the error that Pixel Shader and Vertex Shader support was not detected?
How can this be?

[pantheratigris]

ALso how do I run games that need Hardwware Transform & Lighting through the CPU instead of the graphics adapter since it does not support HT&L.

[Geforce]

You cannot do this unless the game supports this feature......these days no games support this...you need hardware T&L.

[deathvirus_me]

ALso how do I run games that need Hardwware Transform & Lighting through the CPU instead of the graphics adapter since it does not support HT&L.

NOT POSSIBLE ..... 3DAnalyser is used for a diff. job instead ....

[papai_mcc]

Can any one please suggest me a good graphics card in the range of 8k-10k based on nvidia chip?

[drvarunmehta]

Geforce 7600GS. If you extend to 11k you can get the 7600GT which is faster.

[deathvirus_me]

Well .. for 11k's he should be able to find the 7600GS with ddr3 mem. .. which when oc'ed will be much faster than the 7600GT ...

[drvarunmehta]

But if he oc'ed the 7600GT itself it would be even faster.

[deathvirus_me]

Almost same speeds .. both on the core and the memory ....

[papai_mcc]

Please tell me that what is the cost of 6800GT 256MB PCI-e?

[deathvirus_me]

Dude .... no more 6800GT's .. u'll have to settle for a 6800GS .. or a 7600GT .. those should be around 14k's ...

[vishnus]

I need a graphic card with Pixel Shader 3.0 Support or + or atleast 2.0, and PCI support, no PCIE or AGP.
Budget only 4k. Memory should be 128 or + and it should have good performance in Vista...replies expected as soon as possible
Thanks

[rahul_becks23]

what,u want a PCI graphics card with PIX. SHAD. 3 SUPPORT.r u kidding.
maybe theres a GC in this world that meets ur requirements.
Anyways,i dont know of any such a card.

[vishnus]

So you sayin that thers no PCI card that cna support atleast 2 Pixel shader?

[deathvirus_me]

well .. u might find a FX 5200 ...

[vishnus]

Thanks..

[papai_mcc]

What is the price of 7300gt 256mb?is it at all a good one?

[F.E.A.R_$ayan]

i have a geforce 6200 tc 128 mb graphics card and i have played all the latest games like doom3,call of duty2, far cry, hitman blood money etc. ehich require dx 9.0c. but when i tried to play sims2 it showed that my gard is not dx 9.0c compatible!! how the hell can that be?? plz help.

[drvarunmehta]

Use the latest drivers and check if it works.

[samrulez]

i have a geforce 6200 tc 128 mb graphics card and i have played all the latest games like doom3,call of duty2, far cry, hitman blood money etc. ehich require dx 9.0c. but when i tried to play sims2 it showed that my gard is not dx 9.0c compatible!! how the hell can that be?? plz help.

Try updating the Drivers and the BIOS.....

[anandrules]

So you sayin that thers no PCI card that cna support atleast 2 Pixel shader?
i think the geforce 6200 has a PCI version

[anandrules]

hey i was wondering if a Sapphire x800GTO 256mb 256bit AGP card for Rs. 6750 would be a good deal. wat do u think?? Should i get it?

[akshayt]

imo it is steal deal for agp
for pci e get 7300GT GDDR3 which mabe almost as good if not equal with more features yet cheaper

don't get ddr2

[anandrules]

imo it is steal deal for agp
for pci e get 7300GT GDDR3 which mabe almost as good if not equal with more features yet cheaper

don't get ddr2 hmm but i only have a AGP 8x slot...neways the x800GTO is brand new too

[kapal83]

I have a problem with my Intel onboard graphics Intel(R) 82945G Express Chipset family display adapter. On Intels website it is said that the chip is a GMA 950 and that it supports Pixel Shader2.0 and Vertex Shader.
Inspite of this all the games that I try to run give the error that Pixel Shader and Vertex Shader support was not detected?
How can this be?

Hey,
All the games today require hardware supporting Pixel Shader and Vertex Shader version 3.0, Onboard chipset never help you run games. You need to install a decent graphic card.

So you sayin that thers no PCI card that cna support atleast 2 Pixel shader?

There are two version:
1) PCI
2) PCI-Express

If your looking for PCI, will do no good to you. For PCI-E all graphic cards of Nvidia with Geforce 6 and 7 Series chipset are Pixel Shader 3.0 compliant.

hey i was wondering if a Sapphire x800GTO 256mb 256bit AGP card for Rs. 6750 would be a good deal. wat do u think?? Should i get it?

Check again if it is x800GTO 256MB 256Bit is ok. This card does not cost anywhere below Rs.10000-12000, and if it is so, it a very good deal. Make sure your buying from a desect supplier, a brand new piece with 3 warranty. At this price you might get a second hand.

[tango_cash]

I thought of creating a new thread but found it

i want the reply today itself so please post today itself by 5pm latest
my dad is going to bombay and so we have decided to get a graphics card from lamington road but i dont know to buy which one. suggest one. here are my specifications

direct X 9.0 compatible
256 MB memory
best performance
budget---6k

please reply immediatley
if possible quote prices from lamington rd

xfx 6500 256 mb ddr2 for 4200/-

[akshayt]

xfx 6500 is probably crap

rather get 6600 or 6600gt for tad more
or get 7300GT i think, not fully sure
6500 is not a common card

[anandrules]

Hey,
All the games today require hardware supporting Pixel Shader and Vertex Shader version 3.0, Onboard chipset never help you run games. You need to install a decent graphic card.



There are two version:
1) PCI
2) PCI-Express

If your looking for PCI, will do no good to you. For PCI-E all graphic cards of Nvidia with Geforce 6 and 7 Series chipset are Pixel Shader 3.0 compliant.



Check again if it is x800GTO 256MB 256Bit is ok. This card does not cost anywhere below Rs.10000-12000, and if it is so, it a very good deal. Make sure your buying from a desect supplier, a brand new piece with 3 warranty. At this price you might get a second hand.
Well u see no one in their right mind would sell a x800GTO (new) for 6750RS. Its just a dollar to rupee conversion since my relative frm us is cming over in a month. U see its arnd 150$.

[tech_cheetah]

Guys I m planning to buy hp dv 5200 laptop. The laptop has Nvidia GeForce 7400 Go graphics card with shared RAM upto 512 MB. Does anybody know how good is this graphics card ? I mean will it play latest games like FEAR , POP ?

[go_gamez]

q1 ) have a geforce mx 4000 ...128mb ddr ..256 bit graphics core..
is it possible to overclock it ?is this feature there in mx4000 (i knw its very old )?

q2)will it support the aero feature of vista ?ive heard it needs decent 128 mb graphics card with pisel 2.0 feature something ?

[siriusb]

Anyone know the price of 7800GT/X and 7900GT/X of any brand (XFX or BIG) in chennai?
Is it significantly cheaper in delhi/mumbai? If so, will mail ordering it be a good deal?
My budget is around 20K (this is after I sell my 6600gt and my old monitor).

[akshayt]

mx 4000 is not supported by many of todays games so ocing won't help, also even if you were able to increase by 50% which i doubt, it would still be too slow

7800GT/GTX is obsolete, 7800GT is available but not worth the money imo
7900GT is upwards of 17k
7900GTX is around 30k
price in delhi and mumbia should more or less be same
xfx 7900GTX is for 35k and up

[samrulez]

I don't think MX 4000 supports Pixel Shader 2.0......and also it is a Dx 8.1 card....

[siriusb]

7800GT/GTX is obsolete, 7800GT is available but not worth the money imo
7900GT is upwards of 17k
7900GTX is around 30k
price in delhi and mumbia should more or less be same
xfx 7900GTX is for 35k and up

Too bad, I wanted a 512MB card. BTW, thanks you akshayt, and do tell me the brand of this Rs.17odd K 7900GT? Is that xfx? How does the asus one stack up? I heard it's pre-overclocked.

Is the Gfx card prices at a cusp of falling (like the AMD64 cpus)? I mean, I can wait and all, for a month.

[deathvirus_me]

Anyone know the price of 7800GT/X and 7900GT/X of any brand (XFX or BIG) in chennai?
Is it significantly cheaper in delhi/mumbai? If so, will mail ordering it be a good deal?
My budget is around 20K (this is after I sell my 6600gt and my old monitor).

Well .. if u have an SLi mobo , u can squeze in two 7600GT maybe .. that'd be like a 7900GTX and 512 MB in total ...

Otherwise ,... settle for a 7900GT ...

[go_gamez]

I don't think MX 4000 supports Pixel Shader 2.0......and also it is a Dx 8.1 card....

mx 4000 not a dx.8.1 cauz i am using dx.9.0 c currently..ya pixel shader is not supported...butt what about overclocking it ?

[akshayt]

any card would support dx 9c, we are talking of hardware specs.
todays games won't run on a mx 4000 no matter how much you oc it, some games might run but they would probably stay crap, although if it ocs then there might be some improvement.

Why do you need a 512mb card?
The only worth it 512mb cards will be around 39k or so, if you don't have that budget get 256mb instead or get a card from abroad, not exactly recommended(epsecially not 7900GT series).

17.5k or so for Sparkle
Asus maybe around 19k or so.
Stock 7900GTs will come till around 20-21k after that you will get box overclocked 7900GTx,around 21-22k to 24.5k or so.

XFX should be around 20k or so.

No new gpus are coming in the next month so there might not be that kind of fall, small price falls happen sometimes, so you don't need to give much consideration to that, buy now, once geforce 8 class is out, maybe in the last quarter or so of this year , you will just keep waiting, buy now.

It is mad to go for SLi with such a small budget when it is not needed.
Single card is much better in each repect.
I would say a single 7900GTX is a much much better overall option and probably a better performer than even 7600GT SLi.
7600GT SLi isn't 512mb, you can't add the memory in SLi.
7900GTX>7600GT SLi

get a single 1900xt for around 30k

[deathvirus_me]

Well .. lets see this .. a stock 7900GTX should be giving around 10k's in 3DMark05 .... and the 7600GT SLi around 12k's .. so doesn't this make the 7600GT SLi better ??? Also . the two 7600GT's should cost a hell lot less. ..

And about 512 MB card ... they do mean that u can experience stutter free gameplay .. but only if the card has enough mem. bandwidth to handle it ... so a 512 MB 6200 would be useless , but a 512 7900GTX would be awesome ... last time i got the price for a 512 MB 7900GTX XXX Edition , i was quoted 32k's inc. VAT ...

7600GT SLi isn't 512mb, you can't add the memory in SLi.

Well yeah u don't exactly add up the mem. directly in SLi ... but in SLi , two cards don't hold the same data to be processed ... i.e. eevry card gets its own data to process ... so that almost translate into 2*256 MB ... something u can say psuedo 512 MB ...

[akshayt]

3D Mark doesn't mean anything much.
A radeon 1900XT gets a score of 5000, a 1900xtx gets 5800, yet a xtx is just normally 5-10% better and most times the difference is so little that it is not even noticeable to the eye, yet 3d mark gets around 15% boost, also a 7900GTX gets an even higher score yet according to most people 1900xt is a better buy although it is behind by aroudn 1200 points, did you get the point?

7900GTX will clean any 7600GT SLi, so the cost is justified, 7600GT SLi acts as 256mb, so you will be in trouble.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/326/11/

http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/82766-7600gt-sli-vs-7900gtx.html

[siriusb]

Interesting. But I don't have a sli mobo. How much is one 7600GT?

[drvarunmehta]

Rs. 12,000

[deadsix]

A lotta ppl here in need of a decent graphics card! This is gonna b a long post, and a must-read for any n00b!

Scenario 1:
-----------

U have a p-4 basic/HT or an athlon XP anywhere between 1.5 gig's or 2000+ then there isnt any need to upgrade now unless ur an enthusiast (in which case u shouldnt have that system in the first place) or unless uve just won a lottery!
Right, now for getting this system up-to-speed, all u need is 512mb dd400 ram and adecent graphics card(if u have a geforce 4ti or radeon9700+, forget the upgrade and stick to it) otherwise get a r9800pro for around Rs-6K.
Contrary to popular belief agp-8X versions of these cards do NOT fare any better than the agp-4X versions, as for most agp-4x gen cards, the bottleneck isnt the bus! Also it doesent really matter if u have 64 or 128mb on the card! Both have their own advantages(128mb offers a minor framebuffer boost, while 64mb is generally clocked faster)
Now scourge the net for game tweaks instead, and use the latest drivers, modded cfg files etc.

Scenario 2:
-----------

U have a p-4 dual core/Athlon64/Athlon64 x2 (939 or Am2-yeah right, in India) at 3gigs or 3000+(and above)
Then most probably u have a pcie x16 slot on the motherboard and should have a decent onboard solution(read r200 or n6100/6150). While the processor/MoBo is decent enough, u may have to look into graphics part of it!
If u own an asus motherboard (a8n-vm/a8n-vm/csm etc) then u need two ddr400 sticks in dual channel mode to actually feed the onboard graphics core enough bandwidth for any respectable gaming! I personally recommend Corosair, or kinston if ur on a budget!
Pop in the memory in the dual channel slots(as documented in ur MoBo manual) and assign 128mb for graphics!
Now check out the difference in games! At medium detail level all games upto Quake4 @ 1024x768 should be playable! Play fear at 800x600, same for black or prey, Ghost recon advanced warfighter(which is one mean Bit*h)
If u still want the extra edge, go for a better graphics card in the budget class!
I recommend a Galaxy or Gainward offering, a 7300GT is an excellent card, as both these offerings have GDDR3 and a heafty default overclock and extreamly silent cooling(galaxy has Zalman, Gainward uses passive) + if ur lucky ull get a card which u can actually turn into a 7600GT(read soft-mod the extra quad disabled in the g73 core for 7300Gt, old timers may recall the 9500-9700pro)! Details on www.gpureview.com!
Even otherwise, its pretty close to the 7600Gt and a X1800 for lower resolutions (upto 1280x1024) which is what we in INDIA play at mostly!
If ur not an enthusiast or cant get the aforementioned two brands(near 5k-5.5k) then dont go for the forsa 7300GT, gddr2 is crappy!
Instead look for a 7600Gs with a nice default oc or a 7600GT (stay away from big names like asus, and u could get these in the 7k-10k range) as both are pretty good, though the 7600Gt is a tad better (hardly noticiable when u push the cards to extreams, plus once overclocked they both get to nearly the same levels provided they both use GDDR3)
Also check if the forsa uses gddr3 which i dont think it does(mighty strange as most companies use gddr3 even on the 7300gt)
This should put u in possession of one mean machine! Plus if u have a decent MoBo (a8n-vm csm) then u can push that athlon64 to atleast a 10% increase on the stock cooler without a worry! Max is 25% oc, but u need extra cooling and dont even think of going there if u dont know what u r doing!

Also the drivers/tweaks mentioned initially above wont hurt u either!

Okay
Scenario 3:
-----------

U need a new system!
Hmmm... bad time for that! I moved away from Intel a long time ago, and am in no hurry to go back! But then there is conroe!
Anyways, AMD AM2 socket athlon64 X2 are about to go thru heavy price cuts in july, effective in India in late august, so i suggest holding off untill then!
Then, go buy yourself a asus board with the 6150b/430 chipset(i dont remember the model name) and equip it with a 4000+ X2 with 1mb cache(hard to get by, Amd stopped production) or the x2 3600+ which is in the pipelines! Plus the graphics options i mentioned above are just fine!

If u absolutely must buy a new system RIGHT NOW, then go for the A8n-Vm/csm plus an AMD64 3500+(gr8 value for money) as the bundle is around 10K right now, and if u can find one i ESPECIALLY RECOMMEND the AMD64 3700+ (the only San Diego core) which sports a 1mb L2cache and is as good as a FX-57 when oc! Again terribly hard to get by even oversees, but look out for it! U might just get lucky!



Lastly, for all the hard core gamers out there(id b among them if i had enough cash on me) this must be a useless post, its mostly what v already know! Still, the Graphics cards to go for would b a 7600GT right now, coz ull b seeing a g80 based mid-range card (based on g83 in the 150-200$ range) in November which will kick any 7800GTX or 7900GT right where it hurts the most! So halt all upgrades unless u got cash to waste! And pray Nvidia doesent put out a ****ty lineup like the FX series, though the info n hype suggests a clear Nvidia dominance with the next-gen chpsets!

Jargon Buster:-
____________
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SLI- Scalable link interface, modified version of 3dfx(if u remember the company) sli, basically two similar(right down to the make and company) cards in parallel processing-like mode (there are four diff ways in which sli is implimented, not important for the n00b to know) and it is, i repeat IS GOOD!
Especially with the 7300Gt suppoting it, plus all the g80 series supporting it!

People here have been going around telling u that two cards in SLI means overkill coz the mobo puts them in 8x pcie instead of the faster 16x, NOT TRUE! Only a select few Nvidia chipset boards support dual pcie 16X slots, and the cards run at full X16 speeds (which doesent make one itty bitty ****ty difference coz x8 in itself is fast enough for all current gen graphics cards, unless u go quad SLI. Hell, even AGP 8X was overkill, for there was neglegible speedup over 4x (do some reserch, the diff is attributed to minor revisions in the core and better driver support, newer bios)
AND u need atleast a Amd64 3500+ to take advantage of sli on anything over 7600gs! Still highly recommended if u can get two galaxy 7300Gt (unlock them to the full g73 core, volt-mod an oc them to 600/1400, easy with the stock Zalman cooling, and watch that x1800GTO die a slow death)


Crossfire: - ATi's reply to SLI, not as good for the average gamer but definately a strong contender in the enthusiast segment! Why? Coz u can hook up 3 CARDS, and with the latest catalyst drivers u dont even need them to be of the same make or model (though all cards auto adjust to the lowest level card in the triple pairing)
Result? Grate AA, plus HDR with FSAA!!!
Bad? Definately not if ATI can get it to support all the latest games without any hiccups, but ATI cards are costlier in India, so no point going there, unless uve3 got a cousin in the US!
Plus, u can put two cards on graphics and one on Physics processing, thus fully enjoying the effects in xbox 360 based games like the GRAWF etc.
Not generally recommended though!


GDDR3: - The latest standard in graphics memory interfacing, be it at 128bit(for entry levell to mid range) or 256bit (for mid range to enthusiast)
DO NOT SETTLE FOR ANYTHING LESS! Gddr2 is passe! Obsolete! Gone and forgotten!

GDDR4: - Will be the next level, not really needed for the entry level though, will make an appearance alongwith the g80 core series!


Dman this is a long post!
One last thing, do not ask me bout OC, do it at your own risk!
Do not ask me about Tweaks, they exist for every game, look for them!
DO not ask ANYBODY for drivers, KNOW ur Graphics card company, go to their website and download the latest WHQL certified drivers for ur OS without a Question!
Do not complain if u fried ur GPU! Be proud to have done so, Join the elite club! PM me!
SLI and Crossfire does not add up your memory! So using a 256mb card in 2xSLi or even 3xCrossfire will still mean that games treat your setup as a 256 MB card (which means no ultra details on GRAWF- god damn their souls to hell for an eternity)

SLI linkboost is good, but not really visible unless u have the absolute best cards in SLI! Dont splurge on motherboards that offer it unless u want the absolute best!

Volt-mods for memory oc on graphics cards arent recommended to the average n00b or a non-engineer! Be happy with the stock, find a factory default overclocked card instead!
Intel chips are factory locked, u cant oc them the easy way! AMD is for newbees plus the stock cooling on amd64 is much better that p4(or even the older AMD XP)

Brand Names are everything in PC's, check out their websites, if its a good company they will have almost everything u need to know online!

Prices are best found out yourself, and on the ground reviewing, after sales support etc are absolute must-haves! If u live in a small town, do not buy directly from a big store in DELHI or Bombay! Instead find out the ground rates there and the places where stuff u need is availible, and THEN get a local computerwallah to get it for u! He might charge u more than what are the ground costs, but its worth the peace of mind, especially as all liablity is his then!

Thats it for now! More later maybe! Do let me know if my one hour's time was of any help to anyone at all!

[samrulez]

mx 4000 not a dx.8.1 cauz i am using dx.9.0 c currently..ya pixel shader is not supported...butt what about overclocking it ?

Well the hardware does not fully support Dx 9.....But u can install Dx9...Overclocking it won't be of any use.......besides it can blow up ur card...
But can attempt to tweak it using riva tuner not ntune...etc..

[PainKiller]

hi all,

here is a query for all u game/graphic cards freaks:
i want a list of games that can run on NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 32MB card.
any reply is highly appreciated.

im not planning to buy a new card till diwali. so plz dont suggest me to buy a new card.

cheers.

[deathvirus_me]

Well .. right now .. NONE .... its just a very low end OpenGL card .. and can barely do good with D3D games ... i'd say .. till diwali .. watch movies ...

[akshayt]

you might be able to play cricket or fifa

[drvarunmehta]

Plus, u can put two cards on graphics and one on Physics processing, thus fully enjoying the effects in xbox 360 based games like the GRAWF etc.
Physics won't be supported on ATI cards for atleast one year, probably more.

[akshayt]

wasn't it more like 9months and up?

[PainKiller]

thanx for the replies guyz......actually i m able to play following games on my pc smoothly:

1. quake 3
2. nfs hot pursuit 2
3. gta3 and gta vice city

i m looking for more games