All Graphics Cards related queries here.

[tkin]

bro...let me tell u....tirupati r the distributors of evga in kolkata...the same guys i bought my palit hd4850 and lappy ram from...extremely helpful guys....u can visit their office and talk to them(u will like it :) )......they are very good...
and abt xfx,they are distributed by rashi..havent heard anything abt them...
cant comment abt zotac....they are new entrants n the market!

n IMO, go for eVGA!!!!
Thanks mukherjee,So EVGA's a good option,as I thought.:D

Could anyone give me their(Tirupati) ADDRESS and PHONE No in Kolkata?:rolleyes:

Seems Tirupati also distributes ZOTAC.:p

@sagargv, thanks for your valued opinion, that's one heck of a vendor you have.Most vendors here just gives you the distributer phone no. and wash their hands off as soon as possible.:mad:
Just have to bear the situation.:(

[nvidia]

6000 posts in the graphics card section :)

[tkin]

6000 posts in the graphics card section :)
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy :D:D:D:D:D

[sagargv]

@sagargv: Got my 3rd replacement.. I hope this runs under 90C..

i really feel sad for you .. do keep me updated.. BTW , my vendor is no angel. .he had gone back to his distributor and after 2 months , i got back the same card i had given with same heating problem. .then i asked him to goto rashi. .and voila !

[mukherjee]

Thanks mukherjee,So EVGA's a good option,as I thought.:D

Could anyone give me their(Tirupati) ADDRESS and PHONE No in Kolkata?:rolleyes:

Seems Tirupati also distributes ZOTAC.:p

@sagargv, thanks for your valued opinion, that's one heck of a vendor you have.Most vendors here just gives you the distributer phone no. and wash their hands off as soon as possible.:mad:
Just have to bear the situation.:(

well...tirupati distributes Zotac,but only mobos!!!
Zotac graphic cards r distributed by Aditya Technologies in Kolkata.

Tirupati contact:
11, Robert Street, 1st Floor, Kolkata - 700012 Phone - 033-22251192 / 93 Fax - 033-22251276
Contact - Mr. Ranjit Singh......Do tell him that i ,Dr.Aveek Mukherjee(from Medical Collg Kolkata) referred u.....and then u will,be assured of good rates!! 8)

Aditya Contact:
Robin Das
Email: robin_das@adityagroup.com
Address - 11B, Bawali Mondal Road, Kolkata-700026
Mobile - 09339458045 / 09831756844
Phone - 033-24658032/ 33. Fax - 91-33-24658034.

Hope this info helps u! :)

[regenade]

Contact - Mr. Ranjit Singh......Do tell him that i ,Dr.Aveek Mukherjee(from Medical Collg Kolkata) referred u.....and then u will,be assured of good rates!!

You gt the Palit HD 4850 for Rs 10.4k when uts available for arnd 9.4k :D...Good deal sir :)
Check www.theitwares.com also for its price :)

[amrawtanshx]

^^
He's(mukherjee) telling about Zotac ... Not Palit.

[mukherjee]

Contact - Mr. Ranjit Singh......Do tell him that i ,Dr.Aveek Mukherjee(from Medical Collg Kolkata) referred u.....and then u will,be assured of good rates!!

You gt the Palit HD 4850 for Rs 10.4k when uts available for arnd 9.4k :D...Good deal sir :)
Check www.theitwares.com also for its price :)

hmmmm..u r not widout a point there!
but i blv in paying wid one hand and taking delivery in the other....shipping is not IN wid me,at least wid comp parts....and unfortunately, i wont get warranty for such parts from local distris...so not for me.....but if u get a better deal than i got in Tirupati currently in Kolkata,hats off to u bro!

[regenade]

No offence bro as the card which ITwares is selling is distributed by same Tiruapti Kolkta Office which is it HQ ! So I just wanted to say that you were overcharged !

[tkin]

well...tirupati distributes Zotac,but only mobos!!!
Zotac graphic cards r distributed by Aditya Technologies in Kolkata.

Tirupati contact:
11, Robert Street, 1st Floor, Kolkata - 700012 Phone - 033-22251192 / 93 Fax - 033-22251276
Contact - Mr. Ranjit Singh......Do tell him that i ,Dr.Aveek Mukherjee(from Medical Collg Kolkata) referred u.....and then u will,be assured of good rates!! 8)

Aditya Contact:
Robin Das
Email: robin_das@adityagroup.com
Address - 11B, Bawali Mondal Road, Kolkata-700026
Mobile - 09339458045 / 09831756844
Phone - 033-24658032/ 33. Fax - 91-33-24658034.

Hope this info helps u! :)
Thanks a lot for the info.:):)
One questen:rolleyes: :-
Tirupati is the distributer, I thought they don't sell directly to someone(like Rashi), and also is their price cheaper than stores in Kolkata(Chandni)??

[mukherjee]

Thanks a lot for the info.:):)
One questen:rolleyes: :-
Tirupati is the distributer, I thought they don't sell directly to someone(like Rashi), and also is their price cheaper than stores in Kolkata(Chandni)??

yes they sell...they did to me!:)
and its about 200-300 bucks cheaper than d market plus u get direct warranty...no hassles dere!

[break]

my pc has an asus p5gl mx mobo with intel 915gl chipset.it has a pci-e x16 slot which work in x4 mode.can i use nvidia geforce 7300 or 7600 graphic card in it.plz mention the nvidia 7series and 8series gfx card that i can use.

[Psychosocial]

my pc has an asus p5gl mx mobo with intel 915gl chipset.it has a pci-e x16 slot which work in x4 mode.can i use nvidia geforce 7300 or 7600 graphic card in it.plz mention the nvidia 7series and 8series gfx card that i can use.

AFAIK you can use but you should not coz they are outdated :).

Atleast buy a 8600GT 526MB GDDR3 or 9500GT 512MB GDDR3 :)

[mukherjee]

AFAIK you can use but you should not coz they are outdated :).

Atleast buy a 8600GT 526MB GDDR3 or 9500GT 512MB GDDR3 :)

well??526MB? :p
are the xams getting to ur fingers too? :)
cheer up bro!

@break
welcome to the jungle!! :D
well...that wud hv been 8600GT 256MB!

[Psychosocial]

*sorry for the typo

It was 256MB GDDR3

[solomon_paulraj]

hi guys check this out for graphics watts requirements.

http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=9354

[amrawtanshx]

^^
Thanx

[nvidia]

hi guys check this out for graphics watts requirements.

http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=9354
Nice.. Thanks for sharing it.. :)

[Psychosocial]

Guru3d informs about the power consumption of every grafix card they test..........

Anyways, thanx for sharing it :)

[mukherjee]

hi guys check this out for graphics watts requirements.

http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=9354

tha was a nice one!
thanks 4 sharing....

[nvidia]

@KPower Mania: They mention the overall power consumption of the system and not the exact power consumption of the graphics card itself..

[Psychosocial]

^^But stil.........anyways, thanks for correcting me :).

[nvidia]

@sagargv: No improvement at all! This one runs above 120C!!
I'll have to give the card for replacement again.:( I wont be ol for a few more days once i give it for replacement. :(

[sagargv]

phew !! that can make u sweat .. . dont u have onboard gfx ?

looks like this 8600 is causing u much more problems than it did to me. . . my sympathies. . . BTW , are u sure its 120C ? i mean , doesnt it slow down or shut off or give some warning ?

[keith_j_snyder2]

Dude ur card is Michael Phelps of all 8600GT! It holds all gold medals of over heating & breaks its own record every time! May be u should shift to Antarctica or Greenland!

On a serious note, change ur card or use a custom cooler!

[Psychosocial]

Dude, sell it and buy a 9500GT or 9600GT........if u can afford, a 9800GT/

8600GT is old anyways now :|.

[pc_game_lover2004]

a guys updating my mobo to asus p5nmx today as told by u guys itself...
btw please tell me a good decent motherboard too to play maximum of the games in decent settings for 2-2.5 k
and yes do these support pixel shader 2.0 or 3.0
as some latest games like assasin's creed and bioshock require ver. 3.0 Pixel shader

[KaranTh85]

while installing ATi HD4850 in an AMD config will i have 2 install an extra cooling system
or the stock cooling will suffice (which i guess only 4 fans: 1Gcard + 1Proc + 1PSU + 1@ the side panel)
:confused:

[Psychosocial]

while installing ATi HD4850 in an AMD config will i have 2 install an extra cooling system
or the stock cooling will suffice (which i guess only 4 fans: 1Gcard + 1Proc + 1PSU + 1@ the side panel)
:confused:

It will suffice, no need to buy anthing eXtra

a guys updating my mobo to asus p5nmx today as told by u guys itself...
btw please tell me a good decent motherboard too to play maximum of the games in decent settings for 2-2.5 k
and yes do these support pixel shader 2.0 or 3.0
as some latest games like assasin's creed and bioshock require ver. 3.0 Pixel shader

I think you mean a decent grafix card ???

If so, Mercury 8600GT 256MB GDDR3 is available for 3k and is a nice card.

[harryneopotter]

hi guys ... i have one doubt about my power requirement for my grfx card..

for this config :
E7200 + 1 hdd + 1 ODD + 2 x 1 GB sticks + 9800 GT

which smps should i go for ? i dnt have much money left ...i am getting a Glaciar Star PSU (500 W) with 72% effficiency with dual 12v rails (16 + 13 A ) for Rs 1100/- is it enuf ? i cant spare more than this . plz suggest guys.

[sagargv]

^^ i'd recommend a corsair vx450W - 3.2k. . i havent heard of glaciar star psu's . but 13+16 A will be cutting it close..i doubt if it would suffice. .

[harryneopotter]

the above mentioned glaciar star PSU is handling the above config (XFX 9600 GT in place of palit 9800 GT) without any problem. So let me rephrase the ques ..

Does 9800 GT requires more power than XFX 9600 GT (the one with HDMI port ) ???

Edit :
its nt Glaciar Star ...but Glacial Star ..
here is the product link

"Product Link.. (http://www.glacialstars.com/)

[nvidia]

phew !! that can make u sweat .. . dont u have onboard gfx ?

looks like this 8600 is causing u much more problems than it did to me. . . my sympathies. . . BTW , are u sure its 120C ? i mean , doesnt it slow down or shut off or give some warning ?

I don't have onboard gfx. I have an SLi motherboard:( So if i give it for replacement, then i wont be able to use the comp until i get it back.:(

It doesn't shut down. It doesn't underclock/slow down. Although the performance of the card reduces a lot when it heats up. Btw, this is the OCed version of 8600GT. Core runs at 620Mhz instead of 540Mhz.

Dude ur card is Michael Phelps of all 8600GT! It holds all gold medals of over heating & breaks its own record every time! May be u should shift to Antarctica or Greenland!

:D
I'll give it for replacement again, if its as bad as this one then ill get a custom cooler.


Dude, sell it and buy a 9500GT or 9600GT........if u can afford, a 9800GT/
8600GT is old anyways now :|.
Wont buy anything till my 12th boards are over :( After that ill buy an ATi card and ill upgrade my AMD 6000+ to a good Deneb processor(I dont have to change the motherboard:D )

[mukherjee]

Wont buy anything till my 12th boards are over :( After that ill buy an ATi card and ill upgrade my AMD 6000+ to a good Deneb processor(I dont have to change the motherboard:D )

^^^Wise decision bro!!! :D

[sagargv]

@nvidia , it probobly underclocks if its slowing down. i think that all good 8600's are gone and they are giving u only faulty models which people returned.

do u want to get a custom cooler for that card ? he custom cooler may cost more than the card. ..

best of luck with ur 12th boards.. .i'm 2 years senior to u. . u studying state / central syllabus ?

[nvidia]

^^Thanks sagargv. I'm in State syllabus.
I don't want to spend money on a custom cooler for this card. Will invest in a new card instead.
I used RivaTuner to check the temperatures. The clock doesn't slow down. Even ATi tool reports the same temperature(It cant display the graph!:D It's limited to 95C :D).
I hope they have some models which are not faulty. My older 8600ESE was better than this one. Didn't cross 98C while playing games.

[mukherjee]

^^Thanks sagargv. I'm in State syllabus.
I don't want to spend money on a custom cooler for this card. Will invest in a new card instead.
I used RivaTuner to check the temperatures. The clock doesn't slow down. Even ATi tool reports the same temperature(It cant display the graph!:D It's limited to 95C :D).
I hope they have some models which are not faulty. My older 8600ESE was better than this one. Didn't cross 98C while playing games.

well...lemme see...am 4yrs senior to u now!
besties 4 ur xams....keep offn computing for a while then? ;)

[tkin]

Hey guys, regarding the XFX 9800GTX+ I just mailed kolkata@rptechindia.com about the avalibility of the card. Do you think they will reply?( I mean how responsive are they to customers?)

P.S-Best of luck for exams, nVidia.Study hard.

[mukherjee]

Hey guys, regarding the XFX 9800GTX+ I just mailed kolkata@rptechindia.com about the avalibility of the card. Do you think they will reply?( I mean how responsive are they to customers?)

P.S-Best of luck for exams, nVidia.Study hard.

they will dude.ASAP
better still,call em up!

[ruturaj3]

which is the good mid range card in the market ?

[KaranTh85]

which is the good mid range card in the market ?

Nvidia : 8600GT

Ati : HD 3850 :D

[tkin]

WOW!!
TIRUPATI KOLKATA ROCKS.

I send them and RASHI peripherals Kolkata a mail each asking about the EVGA 9800GTX+ and XFX 9800GTX+ and their availability in Kolkata.

Tirupati replied within 24hrs and wrote that the EVGA 9800GTX+ SC is in stock at 14,500/- + 4% VAT. Rashi hadn't replied yet(2 days).

So Tirupati's customer service(Specially in Kolkata) is awesome, no second thought, I'm going for the EVGA 9800GTX+ SC which is a very good buy itself not to mention the best customer service I'v seen.

Heres the specs:- http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=512-P3-N874-AR&family=GeForce%209%20Series%20Family
Made Up My Mind,:D:D
Thanks to mukherjee for Tirupati details

[Psychosocial]

which is the good mid range card in the market ?

NVIDIA 9600GT

ATi HD4650 and HD4670 are coming soon........they will be good mid-range offerings.

[tkin]

NVIDIA 9600GT

ATi HD4650 and HD4670 are coming soon........they will be good mid-range offerings.
How do you define "Mid-Range", by performance or by price?

If by price then nVidia 8800GT(9800GT isn't available here and 9600GT is weaker) at 8k is an excellent "Mid-Range" card outperforming almost the big boys.
HD4850 is still at 10.5k almost everywhere in India so it may or may not be considered mid range.

So 8800GT is the best bang for "Mid-Range buck.(Soon to be replaced by 9800GT).

If 8k too much then 9600GT at 7k is another viable option.

P.S-HD46xx cards haven't launched in U.S yet, so its not an option till November.

[imgame2]

mid range card is defined according to US standards ...anything with $75-$100 ...is considered mid range ....and translated to Indian context mid range will be cards around or under 6k ..i guess ...

HD4850 is available at 9.5k now ..i bought it for 9.7k ...someone has bought it for 9.2k ...

and 9800GT is anyday better available at 7.5k ....8800gt is almost phasing out of market ...its very difficult to find at my place ....

so 8k is costly for 8800 gt

[tkin]

mid range card is defined according to US standards ...anything with $75-$100 ...is considered mid range ....and translated to Indian context mid range will be cards around or under 6k ..i guess ...

HD4850 is available at 9.5k now ..i bought it for 9.7k ...someone has bought it for 9.2k ...

and 9800GT is anyday better available at 7.5k ....8800gt is almost phasing out of market ...its very difficult to find at my place ....

so 8k is costly for 8800 gt
HD4850 in Kolkata is at 10.5k(Dunno anywhere else)

9800GT isn't available yet(no XFX,EVGA,ASUS,MSI models here)
8800GT and 9800GT are same card except the tri-SLI feature, its just a refresh, so no major performance hike.

[imgame2]

HD4850 in Kolkata is at 10.5k(Dunno anywhere else)

9800GT isn't available yet(no XFX,EVGA,ASUS,MSI models here)
8800GT and 9800GT are same card except the tri-SLI feature, its just a refresh, so no major performance hike.

actually 9800GT is based on 55nm technology so it'll be cheaper and will be better overclocker than 8800gt ...

[tkin]

actually 9800GT is based on 55nm technology so it'll be cheaper and will be better overclocker than 8800gt ...

Thats true only upto certain level, When AA and AF is mixed in the bag the 9800GT will perform like the 8800GT more or less as their features are exact same besides the die size which makes the former cheaper and a little more potent to overclocking.

[imgame2]

it will be but the point is 8800GT is almost phased out of market ...very difficult to find one of those ...and 9800gt being cheaper is better option cos the coming games will require more firepower ..which a overclocked 9800gt can give better ..rather than 8800gt ...for its purely the choice of availability and price....moreover anyone would like to go for a better overclock able card ...specially when its not powerful enough than other cards in market ...being HD4850 getting cheaper and cheaper .....and pushing hard on 9800gt itself ....

[ruturaj3]

I have asus m3npv-vm mobo. with onboard NVDIA 6150, can go for ATI HD4850.

[imgame2]

i really can't hunt down ur mobo on asus site ...mind giving a link please ...
if it has a PCI-e x16 slot u can go for the card ...whats ur config with this ???

but still looks like system will be bottleneck to the games ...and HD4850 will not be able to do much in games like crysis(or games which depends on other system resources as well as GPU) with ur config....u will not be able to harness the full potential of HD4850 ...but still it will be great .. if u are planning to upgrade soon then i don't think there should be any problem ....

[tkin]

i really can't hunt down ur mobo on asus site ...mind giving a link please ...
if it has a PCI-e x16 slot u can go for the card ...whats ur config with this ???

but still looks like system will be bottleneck to the games ...and HD4850 will not be able to do much in games like crysis(or games which depends on other system resources as well as GPU) with ur config....u will not be able to harness the full potential of HD4850 ...but still it will be great .. if u are planning to upgrade soon then i don't think there should be any problem ....
Wait a second, my head's spinning with all these Bottleneck issues.

I need some clarification please.

I will have this config:-
1.Intel E8500/E8600
2.EVGA 9800GTX+ SC
3.4GB(2*2GB) DDR2 800MHZ RAM

Now if I get the Intel DP35DP(P35) mobo instead of Asus P5Q(P45), will it be a Bottleneck to my system?
The Asus mobo's great I know, but what about the Intel DP35DP mobo.Will it prevent my system from unleashing it's full potential?

Heres the links

Asus P5Q:- http://in.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=709&l4=0&model=2164&modelmenu=1

Intel DP35DP:- http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/products/desktop/bdb/dp35dp/feature/index.htm

P.S-I am not interested in overclocking.

[mukherjee]

WOW!!
TIRUPATI KOLKATA ROCKS.

I send them and RASHI peripherals Kolkata a mail each asking about the EVGA 9800GTX+ and XFX 9800GTX+ and their availability in Kolkata.

Tirupati replied within 24hrs and wrote that the EVGA 9800GTX+ SC is in stock at 14,500/- + 4% VAT. Rashi hadn't replied yet(2 days).

So Tirupati's customer service(Specially in Kolkata) is awesome, no second thought, I'm going for the EVGA 9800GTX+ SC which is a very good buy itself not to mention the best customer service I'v seen.

Heres the specs:- http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=512-P3-N874-AR&family=GeForce%209%20Series%20Family
Made Up My Mind,:D:D
Thanks to mukherjee for Tirupati details

dint i tell u bro? tirupati kolkata sure rocks!!!!
congrats on the purchase decision!!!!

[nvidia]

Rashi is not that good.. They took 3 weeks to replace my 8600GT ESE. But the replaced one is worse than the older card. :mad:

[tkin]

Wait a second, my head's spinning with all these Bottleneck issues.

I need some clarification please.

I will have this config:-
1.Intel E8500/E8600
2.EVGA 9800GTX+ SC
3.4GB(2*2GB) DDR2 800MHZ RAM

Now if I get the Intel DP35DP(P35) mobo instead of Asus P5Q(P45), will it be a Bottleneck to my system?
The Asus mobo's great I know, but what about the Intel DP35DP mobo.Will it prevent my system from unleashing it's full potential?

Heres the links

Asus P5Q:- http://in.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=709&l4=0&model=2164&modelmenu=1

Intel DP35DP:- http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/products/desktop/bdb/dp35dp/feature/index.htm

P.S-I am not interested in overclocking.

Help With This Questen Please.

[mukherjee]

Help With This Questen Please.

well bro,
i was looking thru the intel dp35dp mobo myself,and somewhere i found that it supported the latest lot of 45nm penryn proccies after a bios update(check the cpu support).well,that depends on what bios revison is avlabl in the market,but i will saty away from a bios update!

well,IMO asus is the way to go bro!!! u wont regret it!!!

[nvidia]

@tkin: You may not be interested in overclocking now. But you cant remain like that forever:D
Whats the price difference between the two?
And the Intel DP35DP doesn't support PCIe 2.0 i think. So P5Q is the way to go..

[mukherjee]

@tkin: You may not be interested in overclocking now. But you cant remain like that forever:D
Whats the price difference between the two?
And the Intel DP35DP doesn't support PCIe 2.0 i think. So P5Q is the way to go..

+1
he has a valid point there
and i confirmed,the support prob lies wid the e7200,so u shud do fine
http://processormatch.intel.com/CompDB/SearchResult.aspx?Boardname=dp35dp

[tkin]

@nvidia & mukherjee thanks to you both for the support.
Yes, my hearts going for the Asus too, think that's the best option.

Oh,nvidia, for your questens, the price difference is about 2.5k and yes PCIe 2.0 is only with Asus. So going with it.

And since I'm going with a 45nm Wolfdale proccy, I will probably overclock and the E8500 can go over 4.0 GHz at air.So you're right.

And mukherjee, I'm not worried about the processors at all.(E8xxx O.K)
Anyway, how's gaming with the new hardware?

[nvidia]

2.5k more isn't that bad for a motherboard thats superior with PCI-e 2.0 support and very good support for Overclocking.
And the heat sink on the ASUS motherboard looks really awesome8)

[mukherjee]

@nvidia & mukherjee thanks to you both for the support.
Yes, my hearts going for the Asus too, think that's the best option.

Oh,nvidia, for your questens, the price difference is about 2.5k and yes PCIe 2.0 is only with Asus. So going with it.

And since I'm going with a 45nm Wolfdale proccy, I will probably overclock and the E8500 can go over 4.0 GHz at air.So you're right.

our pleasure bro!
well, u r going to have some sort of custom cpu cooler of the likes ultima 120/90 or cm hyperex for ur overclocking ventures?

[tkin]

So Its Confirmed, Going with ASUS P5Q.

@mukherjee, not going to overclock right now.Will buy a CPU cooler next year perhaps and go nuts with the E8500.:D:D

[mukherjee]

So Its Confirmed, Going with ASUS P5Q.

all the very best!!!
a very informed decision!! :D :D

[tkin]

our pleasure bro!
well, u r going to have some sort of custom cpu cooler of the likes ultima 120/90 or cm hyperex for ur overclocking ventures?
No, not going to overclock right now.Will buy a CPU cooler next year perhaps and go nuts with the E8500:D:D

[nvidia]

Have you see this?

ASUS Express Gate
Surf the Internet in 5-second-boot time without entering Windows
With a fast bootup speed of only 5 seconds, the ASUS Express Gate offers an optional Linux OS bootup that allows you to enjoy instant access to commonly used functions like accessing the Internet, VoIP, and Web emailing without entering the OS.

Available on ASUS motherboards only 8)

And one more important thing to note is that this motherboard does not support DDR3.

[Psychosocial]

9800GT is a 55nm based card and will hence run cooler and consume less power....

@tkin
DP35DP dosent support OC'ing and so I support nvidia and mukherjee.

[mukherjee]

Have you see this?

Available on ASUS motherboards only 8)

And one more important thing to note is that this motherboard does not support DDR3.

hmmmm...nifty addition bro!!!
but ddr3??it isnt verryyy cheap at the momment,is it? :p

offtopic:::
@ KPower Mania

hows ur xam going?

[nvidia]

Its not. But the prices will be cut by half when Nehalem comes out.

[mukherjee]

^^^u hv got a point there....

[tkin]

Have you see this?

Available on ASUS motherboards only 8)

And one more important thing to note is that this motherboard does not support DDR3.
Haven't seen this, just overlooked it I guess. Great feature.

P.S:-The only board supporting DDR3 and DDR2 now, within my budget(8k) is the MSI P35 Platinum COM and its not as good as Asus P5Q.

DDR3 won't be mainstream till Nehalem matuarizes at 2010 perhaps, think it then.

[nvidia]

DDR3 should come down to around 4-5k by Q1 '09.

But if you don't mind DDR3 support, then ASUS P5Q is an excellent board. But how much are you paying for this exactly?
It does not support SLi/CF.

[tkin]

DDR3 should come down to around 4-5k by Q1 '09.

But if you don't mind DDR3 support, then ASUS P5Q is an excellent board. But how much are you paying for this exactly?
It does not support SLi/CF.
Its costing about 7.8K.

There's ASUS P5Q-Pro at 8.8k that supports CrossFire:- http://in.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=709&l4=0&model=2269&modelmenu=1

No, I don't care about DDR3 at all.


OffTopic:- What The Hell are These Things?:shock::shock::shock::shock:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/tesla_computing_solutions.html

Crysis at 2560x1600,16XQAA anyone? Go sell your house and get it.:D:D

[Psychosocial]

BTW, Palit's 9800GT has arrived in India @ 7.8k :D.

[imgame2]

BTW, Palit's 9800GT has arrived in India @ 7.8k :D.

its already available on itwares (http://theitwares.com/gfxcards/gfxcards.htm) for about two weeks now ..@7.5k

[shivkumar]

I plan to buy a graphics card to play some basic games. My config is E7200 + Asus P5kPLCM, 2 GB Corsair 800 MHz, Seagate SATA 320 GB, Zebronics Bijli with 450W Zebronics PSU and AOC 19" TFT (913 FW).

I don't want to invest in cabinet / PSU right now. My budget is 3k. Please suggest me a proper card.

[imgame2]

OffTopic:- What The Hell are These Things?:shock::shock::shock::shock:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/tesla_computing_solutions.html

Crysis at 2560x1600,16XQAA anyone? Go sell your house and get it.:D:D

Tesla high computing solution lacks the ability to output images on a display ..its visual computing solution rather than gaming solution ...like quadro solutions ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVIDIA_Tesla

[KaranTh85]

The Ati HD4850 although faster than 9800GTX but it runs hotter arnd 10-15 degrees
more on load and even more than dat....

so,isn't buying only the card (4850) & not the xtra cooler is risky.....purchase :x

[desiibond]

^^ New 4850's from Palit and XpertVision run pretty cool and some even have a dual slot cooler for better cooling. Buy card that is manufactured in July or later.

[Psychosocial]

I plan to buy a graphics card to play some basic games. My config is E7200 + Asus P5kPLCM, 2 GB Corsair 800 MHz, Seagate SATA 320 GB, Zebronics Bijli with 450W Zebronics PSU and AOC 19" TFT (913 FW).

I don't want to invest in cabinet / PSU right now. My budget is 3k. Please suggest me a proper card.

Get the Mercury 8600GT 256MB GDDR3.

^^ New 4850's from Palit and XpertVision run pretty cool and some even have a dual slot cooler for better cooling. Buy card that is manufactured in July or later.

Ya, the new Palit card called the Palit HD4850 Sonic+ Overclocking Version and the Sonic+ have dual slot cooler and they run very cool...buy the latest manufactured card and you wont go wrong.

[imgame2]

The Ati HD4850 although faster than 9800GTX but it runs hotter arnd 10-15 degrees
more on load and even more than dat....

so,isn't buying only the card (4850) & not the xtra cooler is risky.....purchase :x


who said that ...wake up my friend !!

lots of people here have bought palit HD4850 (about 7 including me ) i guess and it idles at 46~49 deg without load and about 65 or less deg with load ....and performance is pretty neat ...it just blows u away..almost all games with all eye candy on and max settings ...looks just appealing!

[Psychosocial]

Ya...65 on max is normal nowadays.....even my 8800GT reaches 60-65 while on max load and 70-73 while OC'd :D.

[imgame2]

here it is the most comprehensive benchmarking performance chart for all the cards out there ...i guess this will be pretty helpful to all the graphics card buyers

article - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-radeon-charts,2020.html

charts - http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-charts-q3-2008/benchmarks,30.html

salient features from article -


Caution! Since older cards switch down into DirectX 9 mode, they may run faster than their DirectX 10 replacements, as the latter must draw more intricate DX 10 effects.


If you want to realize the true 3D potential of the GTX 260, GTX 280, and HD 4870, you will soon need to start using a quad-core chip. A slightly faster dual-core CPU isn’t going to buy you a lot of extra scaling, as you can officially only purchase chips running between 3.2 GHz and 3.33 GHz, and the additional 300 to 400 MHz clock speed of the test CPU is not going to significantly change the 3D results.

As far as single cards go, today’s GeForce GTX 260, GTX 280, Radeon HD 4850 and HD 4870 models cannot be beaten. With the exception of Crysis, all current 3D titles run smoothly—even at the highest test resolutions. Why Nvidia is lacking optimization in World in Conflict is unclear; the new 4800 models from AMD run better, despite the fact that the game is sponsored by Nvidia.

1.AMD running better the game it was meant to played with nVidia !!!
2.9800 series is out of picture here !!

The absolute minimum for gaming is a Radeon X1600, HD 2600 or HD 3650, or a GeForce 7600, 8600 or 9600; graphics cards with x200, x300 or x400 in the name are barely sufficient to provide higher image quality or resolutions above 1024x768. Since big 3D processing power is now available at very mainstream prices, a Radeon HD 3850, HD 3870, GeForce 8800 GT or 9600 GT is the minimum you should target if you wish to play using Vista, DirectX 10, and a 1280x1024 resolution.

this is very important to all the budget card buyers ..please always keep this in mind !!


PS- 9800gtx+ is not even considered worthy in the 5 generation of graphics card! strange !!

[mukherjee]

^^^^nicely mentioned bro! :D

[Psychosocial]

here it is the most comprehensive benchmarking performance chart for all the cards out there ...i guess this will be pretty helpful to all the graphics card buyers

article - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-radeon-charts,2020.html

charts - http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-charts-q3-2008/benchmarks,30.html

salient features from article -







1.AMD running better the game it was meant to played with nVidia !!!
2.9800 series is out of picture here !!



this is very important to all the budget card buyers ..please always keep this in mind !!


PS- 9800gtx+ is not even considered worthy in the 5 generation of graphics card! strange !!

lol.

[vivek404]

@imgame2 ^^that was a good post!

[imgame2]

@imgame2 ^^that was a good post!
thanks i hope it helps people !

[tkin]

here it is the most comprehensive benchmarking performance chart for all the cards out there ...i guess this will be pretty helpful to all the graphics card buyers

article - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-radeon-charts,2020.html

charts - http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-charts-q3-2008/benchmarks,30.html

salient features from article -







1.AMD running better the game it was meant to played with nVidia !!!
2.9800 series is out of picture here !!



this is very important to all the budget card buyers ..please always keep this in mind !!


PS- 9800gtx+ is not even considered worthy in the 5 generation of graphics card! strange !!
Ouch!!Nice Post but a few points,

1.Why is that Tom's Hardware always comes up with these wonderful ATI results? Most sites I have seen shows that the 9800GTX+ has a clear edge over HD4850 by 5%. A few games either favour ATI or nVidia so charts based on them are not so trustworthy.:rolleyes:

2.The Entire test configuration SUCKS big time.
CPU -Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 @ 2.93 GHz (11x 266 MHz),
Socket 775, 1.28 V, 65 nm, 4096 KB L2 cache
FSB -1066 MHz (4x 266 MHz)
Motherboard -Asus P5E3 Deluxe, PCIe 2.0 2x16, ICH9R

65nm DUAL CORE CPU with only 4mb Cache and 1066MHz FSB? That's the biggest bottleneck right there.
Is it me or is Tom's Hardware running out of money.
Its essential to do the tests with QExtreme/E8500 proccy, all sites do this, too bad Tom can't afford one.:rolleyes:

3.9800GTX+ is in the charts of all sites doing the tests after its release, either Tom broke theirs or nVidia didn't think necessary to send one. Too bad they didn't qualify.:rolleyes:

4.9800GTX+ is probably the 6th generation:D:D

5.Read the user comments if you don't trust me, its clear that Tom messed up big time, I don't trust their results(even the ATI ones, seems some of the old ones are too low, I used ATI till date and don't think they should be that low):rolleyes:

6.I laugh at a site that says that HD 4870 CF is same as HD4870x2(scroll down the user comments a little bit and this guy from Tom's, named cangelini wrote that):D

7.HD4870x2 not there, seems its also not worthy of being in the fabled 5 generations of graphics card.:D

8.No. of transistors = "754MB"?? (Do they know what they are saying?):mad:

Final Conclusion:- Tom's are just a bunch of kids poking around doing a few tests here and there not to mention the fact that they are not properly armed to do the tests.:mad:

P.S- No hard feelings Please.:):)

Give me some hard evidence that HD4850 towers 9800GTX+ in almost all games.

I have one that shows 9800GTX+ at an advantage(I don't know if they are nVidia fanboys but other card results seems O.K):-
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/731/1/

HD4850 is most VFM no doubt, but performance wise 9800GTX+ rules, not to mention the good overclocking headroom it has over the HD4850.

NO WAR!!JUST PEACE!!
I'm not a nVidia fanboy, writing this post with an ATI X200 Chipset mobo(Intel D102GGC2) with an ATI X1900XTX installed. Just clearing the facts.

Anyway, nice post imgame2 bro:):)

[ravikrsna]

I'm sick of seeing so many graphics cards related threads. Now I have made a new thread. Now post all your GFX card related questions and queries in here. Whether it is price, whether it is which card to buy and whether it is nVidia or ATi, anything which includes graphics cards. And mods please make this thread this sticky. So that it stays on the top for everyone to see. This will make it easier to find the thread for graphics cards and also it will make it more neat.



hi !!

i had purchased new system with below configration, which has resoultion problem

what will be solution ?


AMD Phenom(tm) 9500 quad Core
Mother Board - ASUS = M2N VM DVI - NVIDA Geforce 7050PV/NVIDA nforce
Viewsonic LCD monitor 19" VA 1912 WB

OS - Window XP Proffesional 2002 Service pack

i could able set high resultion 1440X 900 hence the diplay is not clear.

reinstalled Drivers also.

what is the problem? can you help it out

[rajkumar_pb]

hi !!

i had purchased new system with below configration, which has resoultion problem

what will be solution ?


AMD Phenom(tm) 9500 quad Core
Mother Board - ASUS = M2N VM DVI - NVIDA Geforce 7050PV/NVIDA nforce
Viewsonic LCD monitor 19" VA 1912 WB

OS - Window XP Proffesional 2002 Service pack

i could able set high resultion 1440X 900 hence the diplay is not clear.

reinstalled Drivers also.

what is the problem? can you help it out
:D
I hope gfx card would handle that resolution well..

[arijit_2404]

Final Conclusion:- Tom's are just a bunch of kids poking around doing a few tests here and there not to mention the fact that they are not properly armed to do the tests.:mad:

P.S- No hard feelings Please.:):)
.
.
.
NO WAR!!JUST PEACE!!
I'm not a nVidia fanboy, writing this post with an ATI X200 Chipset mobo(Intel D102GGC2) with an ATI X1900XTX installed. Just clearing the facts.


This simply sounds like a nvidia fanboy (I used to be one). Period.:D

If you don't trust tomshardware, then who the hell is legitreviews?:mad:
Every hardware review sites are favoured by many hardware manufacturers, so frankly nobody is trustworthy.

After using nvidia gfx from the starting day of my computing, this is the first time I've bought HD4850 - I'm now angry on myself... for using overpriced and media-hyped nvidia cards for this long time.
:D

Digit-ers - aap logon ne mera aankhen khol di.
Capice.

[tkin]

This simply sounds like a nvidia fanboy (I used to be one). Period.:D

If you don't trust tomshardware, then who the hell is legitreviews?:mad:
Every hardware review sites are favoured by many hardware manufacturers, so frankly nobody is trustworthy.

After using nvidia gfx from the starting day of my computing, this is the first time I've bought HD4850 - I'm now angry on myself... for using overpriced and media-hyped nvidia cards for this long time.
:D

Digit-ers - aap logon ne mera aankhen khol di.
Capice.
Yeah, I'm nVidia fanboy. That's why I'm using X1900XTX on X200.;-)

If not legit reviews the may be:- http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_4850/1.html
They don't have 9800GTX+ but you can still get an idea from 9800GTX performance. (9800GTX+ is better than 9800GTX by some steady margin)

Oh wait, next will you say they are nVidia fanboys as well.C'mon get over the fact that HD4850 is VFM but not the performance king, these two are different terms.

I have no doubt that HD4850 is good, infact I suggested it to all my friends who wanted performance at 10k but 9800GTX+ beats HD4850 straight, by 5-10% average.

In fact I can show you more sites that puts 9800GTX+ top over HD4850 but disclaims that HD4850 is VFM, no doubt there.:D:D

And P.S- Tom's Hardware Sucks, did you read the other points?
Show me another site claiming HD4870 CF is same as HD4870x2, and all the typos they made(Like- no of transistors 754MB)

[arijit_2404]

I've been in software line not in hardware line.
Let me brush up my knowledge about hardwares and its technologies. Then perhaps we'll continue a healthy discussion. :)
Chill out!

[tkin]

I've been in software line not in hardware line.
Let me brush up my knowledge about hardwares and its technologies. Then perhaps we'll continue a healthy discussion. :)
Chill out!
Sure, no problem, its nice to meet someone from Kolkata here.:D:):D

BTW I'm also going in your line(Studying Computer Science Engineering, 1st Year), may be we will come across somedays.:D:):D

Happy Gaming.

[arijit_2404]

By the way,

I installed World in Conflict. From main menu I ran 'benchmark tool' which gave me 60FPS average (highest being 105 FPS). Graphics settings is 'very high'.

I also have The Witcher installed. Which has more settings options than WiC. With everything set as highest (including 4xAA, 16xAF) it is giving me 60-70 FPS.

Is WiC FPS locked?
Though WiC is looking fab! still I think it can give more FPS. Am I right?

Sure, no problem, its nice to meet someone from Kolkata here.:D:):D

BTW I'm also going in your line(Studying Computer Science Engineering, 1st Year), may be we will come across somedays.:D:):D

Happy Gaming.

sure! best of luck 4 ur future.

[tkin]

By the way,

I installed World in Conflict. From main menu I ran 'benchmark tool' which gave me 60FPS average (highest being 105 FPS). Graphics settings is 'very high'.

I also have The Witcher installed. Which has more settings options than WiC. With everything set as highest (including 4xAA, 16xAF) it is giving me 60-70 FPS.

Is WiC FPS locked?
Though WiC is looking fab! still I think it can give more FPS. Am I right?
Somethings not right!!
Take a look:- http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/palit_gtx280/10.htm

How can your card give that much FPS(Wait a second, are you running in DX9 mode? Then may be the FPS is locked)

What's the resolution?

If in DX9 mode look at:- http://tinyurl.com/3xccla(Go to next page)
Switch to DX10.

By the way,

I installed World in Conflict. From main menu I ran 'benchmark tool' which gave me 60FPS average (highest being 105 FPS). Graphics settings is 'very high'.

I also have The Witcher installed. Which has more settings options than WiC. With everything set as highest (including 4xAA, 16xAF) it is giving me 60-70 FPS.

Is WiC FPS locked?
Though WiC is looking fab! still I think it can give more FPS. Am I right?



sure! best of luck 4 ur future.
Thanks a lot.

[arijit_2404]

Somethings not right!!
Take a look:- http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/palit_gtx280/10.htm

How can your card give that much FPS(Wait a second, are you running in DX9 mode? Then may be the FPS is locked)

What's the resolution?

If in DX9 mode look at:- http://tinyurl.com/3xccla(Go to next page)
Switch to DX10.


Thanks a lot.

WiC is giving around 60FPS. I'm running under XP, so it is DX9.
Tonight I'll try from Vistax64.
Resolutionis 1440x900 - native 19" LCD.

[tkin]

WiC is giving around 60FPS. I'm running under XP, so it is DX9.
Tonight I'll try from Vistax64.
Resolutionis 1440x900 - native 19" LCD.
Try to be easy on the settings a bit, the game that can bring HD4870/GTX280 to their knees may not like your card much at that resolution.

Happy gaming Though.:):)

[arijit_2404]

60FPS is more or less smooth experience.
But I think HD4850 can go further. Many recent games released after WiC is giving 60+ FPS in same resolution. I've to check whether it is locked or not. May be I need some s/ware hack settings for WiC.

[tkin]

60FPS is more or less smooth experience.
But I think HD4850 can go further. Many recent games released after WiC is giving 60+ FPS in same resolution. I've to check whether it is locked or not. May be I need some s/ware hack settings for WiC.
That won't be the case when you go DX10 Vista64, then you'll notice some performane drop.

[imgame2]

ooo next time i will write a post ......i'll write its not meant for mr. tkin

Ouch!!Nice Post but a few points,i m sorry there were none for u !!!

1.Why is that Tom's Hardware always comes up with these wonderful ATI results? Most sites I have seen shows that the 9800GTX+ has a clear edge over HD4850 by 5%. its ur personal view obviously most people around the world doesn't share that spending extra $30 is worth for 5% increase! .

A few games either favour ATI or nVidia so charts based on them are not so trustworthy.
oh now thats something new here i was not aware of ..perhaps new rules should be defined by Mr. tkin here so that all cards can b benchmarked in a fair manner ...
the rule according to mr.Tkin goes --all games either should favour nVidia or ATI only then bechmarking results can be fair !



2.The Entire test configuration SUCKS big time.
CPU -Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 @ 2.93 GHz (11x 266 MHz),
Socket 775, 1.28 V, 65 nm, 4096 KB L2 cache
FSB -1066 MHz (4x 266 MHz)
Motherboard -Asus P5E3 Deluxe, PCIe 2.0 2x16, ICH9R

65nm DUAL CORE CPU with only 4mb Cache and 1066MHz FSB? That's the biggest bottleneck right there.
Is it me or is Tom's Hardware running out of money.
Its essential to do the tests with QExtreme/E8500 proccy, all sites do this, too bad Tom can't afford one.obviously it shows how much do u know know about CPU's and its working in depth,why shouldn't u go and apply a job at Intel,or some other review site which says 9800gtx+ is out of the world card! ..they can use ur expertise!


3.9800GTX+ is in the charts of all sites doing the tests after its release, either Tom broke theirs or nVidia didn't think necessary to send one. Too bad they didn't qualify.:rolleyes:i will let it pass just to say even HD4870x2 didn't make it!

4.9800GTX+ is probably the 6th generation:D:Deverybody knows what generation it is ...so i guess no need to say anything about it !

5.Read the user comments if you don't trust me, its clear that Tom messed up big time, I don't trust their results(even the ATI ones, seems some of the old ones are too low, I used ATI till date and don't think they should be that low):rolleyes:as i said above u have better expertise than them ...and obviously that was not for u ....for u some great sites need to come down from heaven :)

6.I laugh at a site that says that HD 4870 CF is same as HD4870x2(scroll down the user comments a little bit and this guy from Tom's, named cangelini wrote that):Dafter all world in not low on cynics u can also find a friend there ...its not a miracle i guess!

7.HD4870x2 not there, seems its also not worthy of being in the fabled 5 generations of graphics card.:Dreason for it being not included was this test took 500 hrs ..and that will be about a month ..thats the reason for old catalyst drivers and not including HD4870x2!

8.No. of transistors = "754MB"?? (Do they know what they are saying?)
clearly shows if one is after picking mistakes ...one wouldn't leave a typo!..now thats called cynical ...:D

Final Conclusion:- Tom's are just a bunch of kids poking around doing a few tests here and there not to mention the fact that they are not properly armed to do the tests.offcourse those bunch of kids are much respected than u,well by most of the people except cynical friends of urs ...!:)

P.S- No hard feelings Please.:)same to u !

Give me some hard evidence that HD4850 towers 9800GTX+ in almost all games.why should i ever do that ..thats a waste of time...and what do i have to prove to u anyway ...all the people with brain have understood knows where HD4850 belongs and gone quiet seeing ur attitude...moreover "pagal kutte to nahin kata mujhe"..so that i will do that!

I have one that shows 9800GTX+ at an advantage(I don't know if they are nVidia fanboys but other card results seems O.K):-
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/731/1/
now this is the portion which made me laugh the most among otherwise completely hilarious post!

now really i should say u should have read and seen the review from ur eyes wide open before posting this....

before i start let me laugh out loud!!!! ha ha ha
1st benchmark - tomb raider anniversary (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/731/5/) (is this really a game to benchmark ??? strange choice ..just shows the level of legitreviews ..)

@1900x1200
9800gtx+ --->99.9 FPS
HD4850 ----->120.6 FPS

20 FPS more for HD4850... 20% increase over covoted (according to Mr .Tkin ) 9800gtx+

2nd benchmark - company of heroes (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/731/6/)
@1900x1200
9800gtx+---->41.4 FPS
HD4850--->34.6 FPS

9800gtx+ is ahead by 6.8 FPS

3rd benchmark -world in conflict
@1900x1200
9800gtx+ ----->24 FPS
HD4850 ------> 29 FPS

5 FPS less for 9800gtx+

4th becnhmark- S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

@1900x1200
9800 gtx+ ---->107.1 FPS
HD4850 ----> 95 FPS

12 FPS more for 9800gtx+

5th bentchmark - BIOSHOCK

9800gtx+ ----->49.33 FPS
HD4850 ------>47.467 FPS

1.863 FPS more for 9800gtx+

6th benchmark - CRYSIS (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/731/10/)
@1900x1200 -very high
9800gtx+ ------->16.8 FPS
HD4850 -------->15.867 FPS

0.933 FPS more for 9800gtx+

7th benchmark - Call Of Duty 4

@1900x1200

9800gtx+---->41.8 FPS
HD4850 ----->43.5 FPS

1.7 FPS less for 9800gtx+

total average FPS for 9800gtx+ in all games = 380.33
total average FPS for HD4850 in all games = 386.034

9800gtx+ is 5.704 total average FPS behind HD4850...

i hope u can calculate the percentage decrease for 9800gtx+

i don't see a 5 % increase here on the review provided by you ...unless i don't know maths or did something wrong here !!! :p:D

now in India the price of

HD4850 is 9.25k
9800gtx+ is 12.5k

9800gtx+ being 3.25k more costly than HD4850 gives above performance ...clear winner only in two games company of heroes and stalker out of 7 games ...unless 1.863FPS , 0.9 FPS really mean something to u....i would say thats almost equal cos test system parameters can be variable.

those who have eyes can see it ...who is the real winner

and this is the performance in old games...newer games i don't know what will happen to 9800gtx+



HD4850 is most VFM no doubt, but performance wise 9800GTX+ rules, not to mention the good overclocking headroom it has over the HD4850.taling about overclocking our own forum member(regenade (http://thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=233)) has a overclocking result for HD4850 ...now try getting that with ur 9800gtx+

15683 3d mark 06 scores !

http://www.imgx.org/public/view/full/10985


NO WAR!!JUST PEACE!!copy that !!!

I'm not a nVidia fanboy, writing this post with an ATI X200 Chipset mobo(Intel D102GGC2) with an ATI X1900XTX installed. Just clearing the facts.not clearing facts just being motivated by bragging of friends ..its all about ur personal ego!

Anyway, nice post imgame2 bro:):)alas it wasn't for u ...

but to make things clear i will not be again talking over this topic ever again hence it was long so i m sorry to other people who had to see such a long thread!!!!

[uchiha_madara]

@tkin:That won't be the case when you go DX10 Vista64, then you'll notice some performane drop.

please elaborate.

[ITTechPerson]

off topic:
I am going to make a new pc - config : suggested by digitian
E8400
MSI P35 Neo Combo F (ddr 3 support)

Now I need a decent gfx in 3 k
8500GT or 8600GT (ddr3) - ?? (both recomended by digitian in diferent post)
pls suggest -

[tkin]

ooo next time i will write a post ......i'll write its not meant for mr. tkin

i m sorry there were none for u !!!

its ur personal view obviously most people around the world doesn't share that spending extra $30 is worth for 5% increase! .

oh now thats something new here i was not aware of ..perhaps new rules should be defined by Mr. tkin here so that all cards can b benchmarked in a fair manner ...
the rule according to mr.Tkin goes --all games either should favour nVidia or ATI only then bechmarking results can be fair !



obviously it shows how much do u know know about CPU's and its working in depth,why shouldn't u go and apply a job at Intel,or some other review site which says 9800gtx+ is out of the world card! ..they can use ur expertise!


i will let it pass just to say even HD4870x2 didn't make it!

everybody knows what generation it is ...so i guess no need to say anything about it !

as i said above u have better expertise than them ...and obviously that was not for u ....for u some great sites need to come down from heaven :)

after all world in not low on cynics u can also find a friend there ...its not a miracle i guess!

reason for it being not included was this test took 500 hrs ..and that will be about a month ..thats the reason for old catalyst drivers and not including HD4870x2!

clearly shows if one is after picking mistakes ...one wouldn't leave a typo!..now thats called cynical ...:D

offcourse those bunch of kids are much respected than u,well by most of the people except cynical friends of urs ...!:)

same to u !

why should i ever do that ..thats a waste of time...and what do i have to prove to u anyway ...all the people with brain have understood knows where HD4850 belongs and gone quiet seeing ur attitude...moreover "pagal kutte to nahin kata mujhe"..so that i will do that!

now this is the portion which made me laugh the most among otherwise completely hilarious post!

now really i should say u should have read and seen the review from ur eyes wide open before posting this....

before i start let me laugh out loud!!!! ha ha ha
1st benchmark - tomb raider anniversary (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/731/5/) (is this really a game to benchmark ??? strange choice ..just shows the level of legitreviews ..)

@1900x1200
9800gtx+ --->99.9 FPS
HD4850 ----->120.6 FPS

20 FPS more for HD4850... 20% increase over covoted (according to Mr .Tkin ) 9800gtx+

2nd benchmark - company of heroes (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/731/6/)
@1900x1200
9800gtx+---->41.4 FPS
HD4850--->34.6 FPS

9800gtx+ is ahead by 6.8 FPS

3rd benchmark -world in conflict
@1900x1200
9800gtx+ ----->24 FPS
HD4850 ------> 29 FPS

5 FPS less for 9800gtx+

4th becnhmark- S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

@1900x1200
9800 gtx+ ---->107.1 FPS
HD4850 ----> 95 FPS

12 FPS more for 9800gtx+

5th bentchmark - BIOSHOCK

9800gtx+ ----->49.33 FPS
HD4850 ------>47.467 FPS

1.863 FPS more for 9800gtx+

6th benchmark - CRYSIS (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/731/10/)
@1900x1200 -very high
9800gtx+ ------->16.8 FPS
HD4850 -------->15.867 FPS

0.933 FPS more for 9800gtx+

7th benchmark - Call Of Duty 4

@1900x1200

9800gtx+---->41.8 FPS
HD4850 ----->43.5 FPS

1.7 FPS less for 9800gtx+

total average FPS for 9800gtx+ in all games = 380.33
total average FPS for HD4850 in all games = 386.034

9800gtx+ is 5.704 total average FPS behind HD4850...

i hope u can calculate the percentage decrease for 9800gtx+

i don't see a 5 % increase here on the review provided by you ...unless i don't know maths or did something wrong here !!! :p:D

now in India the price of

HD4850 is 9.25k
9800gtx+ is 12.5k

9800gtx+ being 3.25k more costly than HD4850 gives above performance ...clear winner only in two games company of heroes and stalker out of 7 games ...unless 1.863FPS , 0.9 FPS really mean something to u....i would say thats almost equal cos test system parameters can be variable.

those who have eyes can see it ...who is the real winner

and this is the performance in old games...newer games i don't know what will happen to 9800gtx+


taling about overclocking our own forum member(regenade (http://thinkdigit.com/forum/member.php?u=233)) has a overclocking result for HD4850 ...now try getting that with ur 9800gtx+

15683 3d mark 06 scores !

http://www.imgx.org/public/view/full/10985


copy that !!!

not clearing facts just being motivated by bragging of friends ..its all about ur personal ego!

alas it wasn't for u ...

but to make things clear i will not be again talking over this topic ever again hence it was long so i m sorry to other people who had to see such a long thread!!!!

Chill out, let's end this.:):)

Funny thing is neither you or I have any of the cards we're debating and screaming about, let's be friends and end this quarrel right here right now.:D:D

Instead lets use our expertise to help the other forum members desperately in need of some help.:cry::cry:

Debating about staff we don't have will just waste time and waste our keyboards away, let others do that and keep our opinions to ourselves, we all have our personal likings and believe me, I never in my life had regretted buying the X1900XTX even when I saw my friends getting the GF8800GT cards and bragging about it, no egos here just likings that's all.:p

I decided to test nVidia out even when I can get the HD4870 which performs like GTX260/GTX280., so its my choice and I don't give a dang about how great others are, as long as I'm happy that what matters only.:o

No more HD4850 vs 9800GTX+ debates here from now on.:)

[desiibond]

^^ guys,

Nvidia released a new GTX260 Core 216 card. What they did is they added more ALU's (216 compared to earlier one's 192).


And the result,

GTX260 core 216 is much more competitive when compared to HD4870, beating 4870 in few games but losing to in many.

Still, it's a great improvements. Now, I think nvidia know what to do and where to put the extra effort for their next architecture.

Game on!!!!!


AnandtechWe tested seven games. AMD and NVIDIA split it, each winning three of them and virtually tied in the seventh. I hate to disappoint those looking for a one sided fight here, but this one is a wash. NVIDIA would want to point out that CUDA and PhysX are significant advantages that would put the Core 216 over the top but honestly there's no compelling application for either (much like the arguments for Havok and DirectX 10.1 from the AMD camp).

PCGamesHardware:

The reissued GTX 260 is a little faster than its predecessor, but it still hasn't got the power to clearly beat AMD's Radeon HD 4870. Furthermore the GTX 260 with 216 ALUs is expected to be a little more expensive than the version with 192 ALUs when it is released to the market and it looks like both cards will be available for some time.

techPowerUp:

It seems the combination of increased shaders and increased clocks is a winning team because our benchmarks show the GTX 260 AMP² Edition only 1% behind the regular GeForce GTX 280 - which still costs over $130 more. A one percent difference in gaming is so small that you will never notice it during game play. Of course you have to consider that the potential overclocking headroom on the GTX 280 will be higher since the chips have been better binned. But unless you are a hardcore overclocker those $130 will certainly be better invested somewhere else.
Overall I am very impressed with the improved GTX 260, even though the naming scheme sucks. There will be lots of drama on Ebay and other shops about incorrectly labeled cards. Other than the naming the only other thing that could be improved in my opinion is the fan noise. Slightly higher temperatures for less noise would be very acceptable I think.

Guru3D:

The GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 is merely a notch faster than it's predecessor .. making it compete fiercely with the competitors best Single-GPU product. None the less, the real trick is the new 279 USD pricing level. Add to that the additional performance and then the real candy .. the overclocked models from the board partners and you have the ingredients for a very nice product, making this release extremely interesting. And that's just really fascinating for sure

Hardwarecanucks:

What a rollercoaster ride this review was. Without a doubt, there will be parallels drawn between the GTX 260 with 216 stream processors and the venerable HD 4870 but before we get to that, let’s sit down and take a look at this card EVGA sent us. The EVGA GTX 260 Core 216 Superclocked Edition is one hell of a performer in every single game and just like the HD 4870 before it, redefines what people thought they would have to pay for this type performance. It used to be ATI reacting to Nvidia releases but now it seems that Nvidia is doing everything they can to answer the challenge brought upon it from the HD 4850 and HD 4870. In the end, it is the consumer that benefits no matter how much ATI or Nvidia fans howl at the moon that their preferred card is faster.

Hothardware:

The new GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 performed very well throughout out entire battery of benchmarks. Overall, the GTX 260 Core 216 outperformed the first-gen GeForce GTX 260 in every test--as expected--and outpaced the Radeon HD 4870 in the vast majority of tests as well. The Zotac card we tested was marginally faster than EVGA's offering due to its slightly higher clock speeds, but the differences were small and could be made up for with some mild overclocking. In the multi-GPU tests, the GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 setup performed better than the Radeon HD 4870 CorssFire setup more often than not, but superior scaling in a couple of tests (3DMark06, HL2 1920x1200) gave the Radeons an edge.

Hexus:

NVIDIA has quietly rolled in the new GeForce GTX 260 that improves performance over and above the present GTX 260 by adding an extra processing cluster - 24 stream processors - to the GPU. The addition of the extra cluster gives it between 5-7.5 per cent extra oomph as gaming tests become bound by the GPU, and helps the card to gain slight leadership over the Radeon HD 4870.

AnandTech: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3408
TechPowerUp: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_260_Amp2_Edition
Guru3D: http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-260-core-216--bfg-ocx-maxcore/1
HardwareCanucks: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/10103-evga-geforce-gtx-260-core-216-216-sp-superclocked-edition-review.html
Hothardware: http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-260-Core-216-EVGA-Zotac
HardOP: http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTU1NiwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA
Hexus: http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=15464
PcGamesHardware: http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,660194/Reviews/PCGH_Review_Nvidia_Geforce_GTX_260_with_216_ALUs

[imgame2]

@desiibond

thats a great post infact i was reading that ..just right now ...but still the main factor remains that in india one can get a HD4870 at a cost of 16.5k and gtx260 plain still costs about 19k (while in US a HD4870 costs almost the same as gtx260) ...don't know how much gtx260 with 216 cores will be(US it costs $279) ...

since it comes from evga ....it will be cost much higher in India ...is it really worth in India ???

even in US HD4870 is already available at $269 ....so i think people will still prefer HD4870 ...already bulk of people have bought it ...so nvidia has lost an edge here,

the new line up from ATI will take away the main low end market from nvidia too...

[tkin]

@tkin:

please elaborate.
When a DX10 card is used to play DX9 games it relatively puts less stress on the card(aside newer games) because they were designed with relatively less powerfull hardware in mind, eg-A card like 9800GT would cost a fortune even a couple of years back.

I payed through my nose to get X1900XTX, now you get GTX260 at that price, so the games run fast and flawlessly, games like FEAR, FAR CRY etc.

So switching to DX10 from DX9 one can expect major performance drop as more resourcess are needed to render the complex scenes, thats what I meant.(Although in recent games its not that pronounced)

Also most importantly DX10 is extremely inefficient than DX9, it causes performance drop without much quality enhancement, due to lack of proper optimization,
eg- http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/11/05/dx10-vs-dx9-absolutely-no-image-quality-differences/

[imgame2]

Funny thing is neither you or I have any of the cards we're debating and screaming about, let's be friends and end this quarrel right here right now.:D:D
as a matter of fact i have HD4850...and thats my first AMD card after 3 nVidia cards..and as arijit_2404 said ...and i agree

"After using nvidia gfx from the starting day of my computing, this is the first time I've bought HD4850 - I'm now angry on myself... for using overpriced and media-hyped nvidia cards for this long time."
I decided to test nVidia out even when I can get the HD4870 which performs like GTX260/GTX280., so its my choice and I don't give a dang about how great others are, as long as I'm happy that what matters only.:oif u have personal choices why not keep it urself,that kind of discussion only confuses people and the way u were advertising it,it looks like u are imposing it on others ..i have fairly bad components in my comp ..but i love them ..but don't try to impose on other ...ican only say its good as i m using it ..and i find no problem with it ..rest is other person's choice ...

lets call a spade a spade ...

[tkin]

as a matter of fact i have HD4850

lets call a spade a spade ...
Sorry, thought someone with that card will put it on his siggy, and yeah, this has beens going on for too long, from now on we only prefer what the world thinks best and provide links to justify them.
BTW, how much did you OC that card of your's?

[nvidia]

@imgame: Awesome comparison between 4850 and 9800GTX+ :)

[Psychosocial]

off topic:
I am going to make a new pc - config : suggested by digitian
E8400
MSI P35 Neo Combo F (ddr 3 support)

Now I need a decent gfx in 3 k
8500GT or 8600GT (ddr3) - ?? (both recomended by digitian in diferent post)
pls suggest -

I and some other 'Digitians' elaborated to you clearly, didnt we ???

8600GT 256MB GDDR3 completely owns 8500GT's ass :|.

You also posted that you are going to buy the ASUS one.

[imgame2]

Sorry, thought someone with that card will put it on his siggy, and yeah, this has beens going on for too long, from now on we only prefer what the world thinks best and provide links to justify them.
BTW, how much did you OC that card of your's?

no need to be sorry ...i had no intention of proving myself right and proving u wrong ...nor i have any intention to belittle urself ...if i think or do that ..it actually shows my bad deteriorating nature or morality.

and no i never said that u should say what world says...its very good to have a personal opinion,infact i so much appreciate that ...everyone has a unique ability to think and conclude,which one should not let affect by outer factors.But why not look at the facts before thinking and concluding it always help!

all i just wanted to say was u just open ur eyes,look around,there are better things out there.

For ur sake i still hope that gtx260 prices come down,and u can actually buy it.I have no problem with nVidia if u want to go for nVidia thats the way to go right now ....nor do i have any problem in u preferring PhysX or CUDA.Afterall why not??? u are studying CompSci ...u might want to do ur own coding in CUDA one day.And i believe anyone who has strong resolve in his heart can do anything,so even u can do it.

But the point i had to make while something might be useful for u,it may not be useful for most of the buyers out there ...and those who don't understand about it simply get confused the way u present things..thats all.

i hope u understand what i mean to say! and really no hard feelings of any kind!

[tkin]

no need to be sorry ...i had no intention of proving myself right and proving u wrong ...nor i have any intention to belittle urself ...if i think or do that ..it actually shows my bad deteriorating nature or morality.

and no i never said that u should say what world says...its very good to have a personal opinion,infact i so much appreciate that ...everyone has a unique ability to think and conclude,which one should not let affect by outer factors.But why not look at the facts before thinking and concluding it always help!

all i just wanted to say was u just open ur eyes,look around,there are better things out there.

For ur sake i still hope that gtx260 prices come down,and u can actually buy it.I have no problem with nVidia if u want to go for nVidia thats the way to go right now ....nor do i have any problem in u preferring PhysX or CUDA.Afterall why not??? u are studying CompSci ...u might want to do ur own coding in CUDA one day.And i believe anyone who has strong resolve in his heart can do anything,so even u can do it.

But the point i had to make while something might be useful for u,it may not be useful for most of the buyers out there ...and those who don't understand about it simply get confused the way u present things..thats all.

i hope u understand what i mean to say! and really no hard feelings of any kind!
Thanks a lot:):)

[asigh]

I and some other 'Digitians' elaborated to you clearly, didnt we ???

8600GT 256MB GDDR3 completely owns 8500GT's ass :|.

You also posted that you are going to buy the ASUS one.

Go for 8600GT DDR3. It beats the 8500GT any day. I regret buying the 8500GT anyday. Is not a gaming card at all. :)

[sephiroth]

i bougth a zotac ge force 9600 gt amp edition 512mb graphics card and a 600w zebronics power supply. but I am not getting the desirable performance. whereas my friend who is having an xfx 9600gt 512 mb is gettin performance way better than me. my pc config is core 2 duo e8400 3 ghz, 4gb ram 800mhz and having a gigabyte sli motherboard.
please help

[Psychosocial]

i bougth a zotac ge force 9600 gt amp edition 512mb graphics card and a 600w zebronics power supply. but I am not getting the desirable performance. whereas my friend who is having an xfx 9600gt 512 mb is gettin performance way better than me. my pc config is core 2 duo e8400 3 ghz, 4gb ram 800mhz and having a gigabyte sli motherboard.
please help

The problem is that you bought a 9600GT :|.

Your config kicks ass and if you would have bought a HD4850, then you would have got waaaaay better performance.

[imgame2]

The problem is that you bought a 9600GT :|.

Your config kicks ass and if you would have bought a HD4850, then you would have got waaaaay better performance.

^^ +1

[rajkumar_pb]

a question on gfx.... if i put my Prescott P4 HT running at 3.06GHz in a high end Mobo with a good gfx solution like HD4850, then did the cpu still bottleneck the gfx card..
Cause i dont want to sell off my p4 and want to keep it with me...

[uchiha_madara]

@imgame2: (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=943715)
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=943715&postcount=6100 (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=943715)
nicely said and done:D:D:D:D.

@sephiroth:i bougth a zotac ge force 9600 gt amp edition 512mb graphics card and a 600w zebronics power supply. but I am not getting the desirable performance. whereas my friend who is having an xfx 9600gt 512 mbWhat problems in performance are you having?
What resolution do you play at and with what settings and what games?
Do you have the latest drivers for your gfx card and mobo and bios fixes for your mobo?
What are the specs of your friend's PC?
Please answer these so we can help you better.

[imgame2]

a question on gfx.... if i put my Prescott P4 HT running at 3.06GHz in a high end Mobo with a good gfx solution like HD4850, then did the cpu still bottleneck the gfx card..
Cause i dont want to sell off my p4 and want to keep it with me...

yes it will ..cos most of the new games coming out utilises as much CPU as a GFX card ..some card require atleast a core2duo to run ...so it will definately bottleneck ur HD4850 ...infact just look around the reviews ...people do get different FPS using different CPU ...so prescott P4 HT is defiantely old to utilise what HD4850 has to offer

[ITTechPerson]

I and some other 'Digitians' elaborated to you clearly, didnt we ???

8600GT 256MB GDDR3 completely owns 8500GT's ass :|.

You also posted that you are going to buy the ASUS one.

Sorry bro.
ya u told me about tht - I was a little cofused about 8500 & 8600 -
Thanks a ton for ur (u & all others who have replied) help, I have selected tht Asus 8600 for my config.

[uchiha_madara]

@rajkumar_pb:Sorry to break it to you,but Prescott is history (in terms of Computing)and yeah, it will bottleneck that card no matter where you put that processor, and you had be better off with some other mobo than 630i(your sig) try getting a P35 or anything recent from nVidia, and Ati 4670 will be way better than 7600GS.

[rajkumar_pb]

yes it will ..cos most of the new games coming out utilises as much CPU as a GFX card ..some card require atleast a core2duo to run ...so it will definately bottleneck ur HD4850 ...infact just look around the reviews ...people do get different FPS using different CPU ...so prescott P4 HT is defiantely old to utilise what HD4850 has to offer
:(
OK... How abt the config in my siggy(just leave the GPU as i m gonna buy a good gfx card by a month or two)... So i put my p4 in asus p5nmx mobo along with 7600gs.. I think p4 will never bottleneck for a 7600gs... :D
I play some nice old games wid that rig and after getting my new gfx card i get to play new games... Till then, start playing GTA:SA,FarCry,NFS: ProStreet,MW and Carbon,etc....

@rajkumar_pb:Sorry to break it to you,but Prescott is history (in terms of Computing)and yeah, it will bottleneck that card no matter where you put that processor, and you had be better off with some other mobo than 630i(your sig) try getting a P35 or anything recent from nVidia, and Ati 4670 will be way better than 7600GS.
Oops dude... i already get that Mobo and gfx card. I almost built that rig n only thing missing is that damn RAM which was sent to RMA...So no way.. May be after a month or two, i save may money till then to get a Palit HD4850 Sonic Edition.. Hope that help me..... Gaming = Empty Wallet:mad:

[imgame2]

:(
OK... How abt the config in my siggy(just leave the GPU as i m gonna buy a good gfx card by a month or two)... So i put my p4 in asus p5nmx mobo along with 7600gs.. I think p4 will never bottleneck for a 7600gs... :D
I play some nice old games wid that rig and after getting my new gfx card i get to play new games... Till then, start playing GTA:SA,FarCry,NFS: ProStreet,MW and Carbon,etc....

well dude don't be sad u will be getting nice gfx card within a month as u say ...and i think 7600 GS will be good with the games u play ...


Oops dude... i already get that Mobo and gfx card. I almost built that rig n only thing missing is that damn RAM which was sent to RMA...So no way.. May be after a month or two, i save may money till then to get a Palit HD4850 Sonic Edition.. Hope that help me..... Gaming = Empty Wallet:mad:where are u getting Palit Hd4850 sonic edition ??? AFAIK its not available in india :sad:

[rajkumar_pb]

where are u getting Palit Hd4850 sonic edition ??? AFAIK its not available in india :sad:
I just said that i m gonna buy a Palit HD4850 Sonic Edition by saving some money.. The problem of buying is after getting money...:D Anyway i get it from Newegg thru KMD or else i search for lynx store for that... By the time i purchase the HD4850 sure Sonic Edition will be avail at ease.... Hope so........;)

[imgame2]

I just said that i m gonna buy a Palit HD4850 Sonic Edition by saving some money.. The problem of buying is after getting money...:D Anyway i get it from Newegg thru KMD or else i search for lynx store for that... By the time i purchase the HD4850 sure Sonic Edition will be avail at ease.... Hope so........;)
i hope the same for u as of now ...its not available in lynx but soon it will be launched ...in india !

[rajkumar_pb]

i hope the same for u as of now ...its not available in lynx but soon it will be launched ...in india !

:D

[Harvik780]

I will bring in a PhysX review shortly,just wait guys.

[rajkumar_pb]

I will bring in a PhysX review shortly,just wait guys.
Man its been long you've post some reviews here...

[tkin]

I will bring in a PhysX review shortly,just wait guys.
Ageia PhysX (with proper card) or nVidia PhysX (GPU)?

[arijit_2404]

Can anybody tell me , how can I confirm that my HD4850 is running at PCIExpress 2.0 mode on my motherboard?

[sagargv]

^^ try gpu-z . i dont see a reason why it should'nt . .

[Harvik780]

I will be bringing in a GPU physx review.

[arijit_2404]

^^
I tried. But it shows Bus type as PCI Express x16.
Isn't it confusing?
My mobo has PCIEx2.0 slot and HD4850 is also PCIEx 2.0 compliant. So how can I confirm this?

[rajkumar_pb]

^^
I tried. But it shows Bus type as PCI Express x16.
Isn't it confusing?
My mobo has PCIEx2.0 slot and HD4850 is also PCIEx 2.0 compliant. So how can I confirm this?

Just use the ATi Control Panel to looking the information....

[arijit_2404]

^^
great idea. :D
Didn't come first time.

[tkin]

^^
I tried. But it shows Bus type as PCI Express x16.
Isn't it confusing?
My mobo has PCIEx2.0 slot and HD4850 is also PCIEx 2.0 compliant. So how can I confirm this?
What's the difference, Gfx cards can not even use the full bandwidth available for PCIe 1.1 let alone PCIe 2.0, and if mobo supports then the card's probably running at PCIe 2.0 (If the card supports).

I don't think GPUZ shows that info, look at your mobo manual to find if it actually suppports PCIe 2.0.

[nvidia]

^^Actually many high end cards use almost the entire bandwidth offered by PCIe 1.1. But using PCIe doesn't make much difference.. AFAIK 5% is the maximum increase in performance..

[tkin]

^^Actually many high end cards use almost the entire bandwidth offered by PCIe 1.1. But using PCIe doesn't make much difference.. AFAIK 5% is the maximum increase in performance..
High End!!!
Yikes!!
Anyway, I'm sure that 5% don't count since the cards are High-End and 100 & 105 FPS is visually impossible to distinguish.

[Psychosocial]

High End!!!
Yikes!!
Anyway, I'm sure that 5% don't count since the cards are High-End and 100 & 105 FPS is visually impossible to distinguish.

The human eye cant render more than 25-27 FPS :razz:

[tkin]

The human eye cant render more than 25-27 FPS :razz:
According to science, the limiting value is 10FPS, go beyond that and you can see a movie from a set of photos.

The human mind persists a image for 1/10 seconds, so 10*1/10=1, so need 10FPS to see a continuous movie:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_of_vision(Scroll down and look at the horse)

Computer graphics work in a bit different way. Look here:- http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html, a 60FPS is the best sufficient value.

[solomon_paulraj]

According to science, the limiting value is 10FPS, go beyond that and you can see a movie from a set of photos.

The human mind persists a image for 1/10 seconds, so 10*1/10=1, so need 10FPS to see a continuous movie:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_of_vision(Scroll down and look at the horse)

Computer graphics work in a bit different way. Look here:- http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html, a 60FPS is the best sufficient value.

excellent answer for FPS question.

[sephiroth]

@imgame2: (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=943715)
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=943715&postcount=6100 (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=943715)
nicely said and done:D:D:D:D.

@sephiroth:What problems in performance are you having?
What resolution do you play at and with what settings and what games?
Do you have the latest drivers for your gfx card and mobo and bios fixes for your mobo?
What are the specs of your friend's PC?
Please answer these so we can help you better.

well, the thing is .. take the game assasin's creed; well sometimes the frame rates become slow. the same things is with crysis. I play at 1152 by 864 pixels. n how do i check if i have got the latest drivers or not and where do i get the bios fixes for my mobo??
my friend's specs are lower than mine. he's got 2gb ram, xfx 9600gt 512mb a core 2 duo 2.66 ghz processor and so on...

[uchiha_madara]

@sephiroth:If you haven't installed drivers for your gfx card in the past month then you are missing on updates.To check go to control panel and click on nvidia control centre or something to find the version number.
Check your BIOS ver by pressing a special button before boot sequence it is generally F2 or F9 or DEL key(if none of the above use google).Visit the site of mobo manufacturer to find latest BIOS and be careful to follow the instructions exactly.
Well Crysis and Assassin's Creed are demanding games, be sure to change settings of in game options like AA and shadows appropriately etc which can change how smooth your game play is,also on a side note make sure that
1)your HDD is defragmented (since a fragmented can result in slow data accesses and impair game play)
2)you have a minimum of programs running in the background and also if you are using a 32bit OS then you are not going to get use of all that 4GB ram(maybe 3GB with some tweaking in win xp not sure about vista).
BTW that is some odd resolution to play your game in.

[tkin]

well, the thing is .. take the game assasin's creed; well sometimes the frame rates become slow. the same things is with crysis. I play at 1152 by 864 pixels. n how do i check if i have got the latest drivers or not and where do i get the bios fixes for my mobo??
my friend's specs are lower than mine. he's got 2gb ram, xfx 9600gt 512mb a core 2 duo 2.66 ghz processor and so on...
Just a crack, go to bios and look for something called:- PCI latency timer, make sure its 64 or higher(128 in some case), the more, the merrier, but don't over do it.

I take no responsibility if you F**k your system like this, get a technician if necessary:confused:

[lal*]

Go get Cheap Palit Graphic card HD3850 of 512 MB DDR3 and 256bit at Rs 6200 and of HD4850 in Rs 9200 of 512 MB DDR3 and 256bit. now this cheap.. yester day I bought 500GB HDD SATA for Rs 3000:)

[Psychosocial]

see this (http://www.guru3d.com/imageview.php?image=14898)

aint it cool ??

Go get Cheap Palit Graphic card HD3850 of 512 MB DDR3 and 256bit at Rs 6200 and of HD4850 in Rs 9200 of 512 MB DDR3 and 256bit. now this cheap.. yester day I bought 500GB HDD SATA for Rs 3000:)

and whats this suppose to mean ??

[nvidia]

Guys i found out why my card was overheating!
The damn fan was never running.:mad:

[Psychosocial]

^^^^ROFLMAO.............haha.....lol......:lol:. And you were cursing XFX

now see this (http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/gtx260core216_091508220645/17391.png)

[nvidia]

Err.. Whats special about that?
And its not my fault that the fan isn't running. Its a manufacturing defect.

[desiibond]

Guys i found out why my card was overheating!
The damn fan was never running.:mad:

Wow. and your card never died even though the fan died. Wow. that's a seriously stable chip :)

[nvidia]

Some heat was absorbed by the heat sink.
The card NEVER went above 127C. Once it reaches 127C, everything starts to slow down. I hardly get 1 FPS in COD4 when temp is 127C.
It reduces the load completely to stop any further increase in temperature.

[asigh]

Guys i found out why my card was overheating!
The damn fan was never running.:mad:

And..........since when have you been running your GPU without the FAN operational..how many days...!..Gosh that is one warrior chip..!

[nvidia]

Actually, the card runs fine when there is no load.. Once the load increases the fan stops.. I think it might be a power supply problem.. Will check it out on friend's PC.

[rahuljin]

hi
i want to buy a 4850. can anyone tell me a shop at computer market, wazirpur industrial area, delhi.
i have a p4 with 925v2 mobo, 2gb ddr2 533mhz ram, xfx 6800gt (3 yr old), vista ultimate.
i dont want to upgrade now but in dec or jan.
is it good for my system to buy a product (as my system is very old) ??

one more thing --- is benq is 21.5" lcd better that dell's for gaming, movie etc.??
(sorry i know that it is graphic card thread, but i dot want to create a new thread)

btw thanks ;);)

[tkin]

hi
i want to buy a 4850. can anyone tell me a shop at computer market, wazirpur industrial area, delhi.
i have a p4 with 925v2 mobo, 2gb ddr2 533mhz ram, xfx 6800gt (3 yr old), vista ultimate.
i dont want to upgrade now but in dec or jan.
is it good for my system to buy a product (as my system is very old) ??

one more thing --- is benq is 21.5" lcd better that dell's for gaming, movie etc.??
(sorry i know that it is graphic card thread, but i dot want to create a new thread)

btw thanks ;);)
Since I live in Kolkata can't answer the first questen:(

2nd questen:-
Dell LCDs are the best, no other brand comes close, but they are pretty costly(Performance at a price):D:rolleyes::D

[imgame2]

hi
i want to buy a 4850. can anyone tell me a shop at computer market, wazirpur industrial area, delhi.delhi people can guide u better about a particular shop ...but nehru place has lots of them.


one more thing --- is benq is 21.5" lcd better that dell's for gaming, movie etc.??
(sorry i know that it is graphic card thread, but i dot want to create a new thread)

btw thanks ;);)well reviews are not yet out but the monitor from Benq E2200 HD/HDA series is the only 22" (viewable area 21.5" ) that supports full HD (1900x1200 resolution) but nothing is known about picture quality and other things... this is an exciting feature for any LCD buyers ..full HD @ 13k ....wait for some time and let the reviews come out for this monitor if they are positive i think its better to go for that model for benq as dell's model are costlier but better so far ....

[ayush002]

i want to buy a grfc card within a month or two.i hv zeroed in on palit hd4850, along with corsair vx450w.I hv heard in this forum only, that there are some compatibility issues of vx450 with some ups(sine wave).I will b using my system without a ups for a while(no powercuts). will it run fine, or i should look at some other psu?

[imgame2]

i want to buy a grfc card within a month or two.i hv zeroed in on palit hd4850, along with corsair vx450w.I hv heard in this forum only, that there are some compatibility issues of vx450 with some ups(sine wave).I will b using my system without a ups for a while(no powercuts). will it run fine, or i should look at some other psu?


i m using vx450 + palit 4850 ...both runs quiet which any hassle whatsoever ...go ahead with it ...if u have no UPS issue ...

[ayush002]

i m using vx450 + palit 4850 ...both runs quiet which any hassle whatso every ...go ahead with it ...if u have no UPS issue ...

will it run fine with direct ac power supply? also tell me the cheapest sinewave ups for my config.

[imgame2]

will it run fine with direct ac power supply? also tell me the cheapest sinewave ups for my config.

yes my friend it will..thats how i m using its directly connected to the switchboard....wait till tomo and i can tell u if this PSU will ever need sine wave UPS cos i can't find a hard evidence which says it needs it ....let me find out and tell u

[anuragdws]

Hi all. My mobo is D101 ggc, RAM 2 gb ddr1, cpu 3.07 ghz. Till now i ve played games like halo, call of duty 1 & 2, battlefield 1942, half life 2, Far cry, world in conflict etc. but I was unable to play cod 4. The game was just struggling. May i know this graphic card HD4670 is compatible with my mobo. I still use crt monitor. Thank u all.

[rajkumar_pb]

Hi all. My mobo is D101 ggc, RAM 2 gb ddr1, cpu 3.07 ghz. Till now i ve played games like halo, call of duty 1 & 2, battlefield 1942, half life 2, Far cry, world in conflict etc. but I was unable to play cod 4. The game was just struggling. May i know this graphic card HD4670 is compatible with my mobo. I still use crt monitor. Thank u all.

D101GGC has a PCIe slot, so u can plug in a PCie card.. And Yes, ur Mobo is 100% compatible with HD4670 and get that card(after released in india...:D) and it pawns all the games well compare to other cards in its range...

[rahuljin]

i dont mind a price difference of 2-3k. benq supports full HD and dell is always the best. so i m totally confused.

plz......any suggestion for my first question about the shop in computer market, wazirpur industrial area, delhi.

[imgame2]

i dont mind a price difference of 2-3k. benq supports full HD and dell is always the best. so i m totally confused.

plz......any suggestion for my first question about the shop in computer market, wazirpur industrial area, delhi.

but u can only get 14.5k and 16.5k 22" dell models ...out of them 16.5k for Dell SP2208WFP ...is simply brilliant ! if u can buy that u will never be disappointed!

[Psychosocial]

hi
i want to buy a 4850. can anyone tell me a shop at computer market, wazirpur industrial area, delhi.
i have a p4 with 925v2 mobo, 2gb ddr2 533mhz ram, xfx 6800gt (3 yr old), vista ultimate.
i dont want to upgrade now but in dec or jan.
is it good for my system to buy a product (as my system is very old) ??

one more thing --- is benq is 21.5" lcd better that dell's for gaming, movie etc.??
(sorry i know that it is graphic card thread, but i dot want to create a new thread)

btw thanks ;);)

1. Delhi guys will guide you :|.
2. P4 will be a bottleneck.
3. Dell will be better but the problem is your budget, you need to increase it so that you can get a Dell 228WFP. Otherwise, Dell 198wfp is also a option. Its the best VFM 19" LCD out there. (Price = 9.2-9.5k).

[harryneopotter]

@ rahuljin:
There is not any good shop in Wazirpur Market that can provide HD4850 at a good price. For the cheapest price ... u can order from ITwares ( i myself ordered Palit 9800GT from there 2 weeks back for 7500 + 150 while at Nehru Place it was about 9 k) .. or u can go to Nehru Place where u can Buy the MSI 4850 for 10700 (from SMC International) or the Sapphire One for Rs 9500 (from Infinity ).

Edit:
Dell 198fwp is 9200 At SMC International, Nehru Place.

[rahuljin]

thanks guys, i will check the shops in few day(not now).

about the monitor, i wanted to buy a Dell SP2208WFP but it does not support full HD where as benq's is cheap and support full HD. this is what i am not able to decide ??

[imgame2]

usually only 24" monitor supports full HD and cost around 20k now:( .. but benq's that particular monitor is the only one which supports full HD ....@ 22" ...which is good ...one of our forum member has already bought it we are waiting for its review ...

personally i think its a very good option cos full HD @ 13k is very good thing if u are into games or full HD movies ..which i download a lot form net ..so for a person like me ...i can perhaps sacrifice extra sharpness,contrast,color saturation dell has to offer ..its a matter of personal choice ....and more over one can never tell the difference until two monitor are placed side by side ..thats my experience ...perhaps my eyes are not as trained or expert ...but then i m buying it for me ...am i not ..?

what u intend to do with it ....if u can answer that u will be able to decide better ...

[asigh]

hi
i want to buy a 4850. can anyone tell me a shop at computer market, wazirpur industrial area, delhi.
i have a p4 with 925v2 mobo, 2gb ddr2 533mhz ram, xfx 6800gt (3 yr old), vista ultimate.
i dont want to upgrade now but in dec or jan.
is it good for my system to buy a product (as my system is very old) ??

one more thing --- is benq is 21.5" lcd better that dell's for gaming, movie etc.??
(sorry i know that it is graphic card thread, but i dot want to create a new thread)

btw thanks ;);)

Being from Delhi my self ----- I would suggest take a trip to Nehru Place for computer parts....

SMC International (B-10 and B-11 Meghdoot Building, 94 Nehru Place Phone: 011-26293001/2) is a good place. They are well stocked.

Plus if you have a doubt on prices..the same alley has many computer part shops. Most of them have posters on the glass doors with the prices on it..so you do not even have to walk into the shop to ask the price...!

Being a DELL fanboy -- go for DELL. Though not sure, if it is available in Nehru Place. 17" was, not sure if >17" is available. Get it online else..!

[rahuljin]

i want it for gaming and watching movies and some time ebook reading, etc.

[imgame2]

dell monitors are the best..no doubt about that ....and u can do everything with them ..but with smaller resolution 1680x1050 resolution which is not full hd ....so u can't watch HD movies with them....but HD movies are not yet readily available ...only movies available on internet are in HD format....games u can play only till 1680x1050 format..but even for that u will a powerful card ...so choice is yours ...dell service support is very good ..but i don't know much about benq..feature wise benq monitor looks good ...but we just know about other things yet !

[Psychosocial]

go for Dell.......

Benq is a good and trusted company but Dell is better.....

And such a big resolution on a 21" screen...........everything will look ant-sized :D.

[imgame2]

go for Dell.......

Benq is a good and trusted company but Dell is better.....

And such a big resolution on a 21" screen...........everything will look ant-sized :D.

well not really so ...cos u don't have to use that resulution always ..u can use them only while wat