All Graphics Cards related queries here.

[BULLZI]

i am posting this query for the third time.didnt get ny reply previously.

is 9800GTX is coming out at this year end??i can wait till January max.if it is not the case,is higher 8 series gpus coming out?

i want to play every latest games at 1440*900 ,all max. settings.

if not then i will go for 8800 gtx/ultra.

plz do reply guyz.ny type of news/info??

:)

[entrana]

DUDE 9 SERIES ISNT ANNOUNCED YET !!!!!!!!!!!
i have heard claims of 89xx series being announced and ive seen in websites that the specs to have been announced and 8700 has been announced.

[BULLZI]

and also how to check my mobo's pci-e version??will G92 gpus be compatible with my mobo??i heard that those gpus will need pci-e 2.

[entrana]

dude!! look relax let it come out first

[BULLZI]

i am asking coz i hv to prepare myself accordingly:).dont wanna change my mobo.

[The_Devil_Himself]

Now what the hell is this pci-e 2???Don't scare me guys.

[entrana]

look this is all bullcrap just stick with what u have

[BULLZI]

look this is all bullcrap just stick with what u have



just behave urself,will u??

if u dont know something,why are u sticking ur nose in it? i am watching for days that u always want to post something even when u hv very little knowledge about it and in some cases u know nothing.

so better,be careful abt ur replies.

Now what the hell is this pci-e 2???Don't scare me guys.

i dont know too much abt it.bt it is the next generation PCI-E.it may be backward compatible,not sure though:).

[monkey]

i dont know too much abt it.bt it is the next generation PCI-E.it may be backward compatible,not sure though:).

PCIe 2 will provide twice the bandwidth of today's PCIe (x16) and will be completely backward compatible.

[phuchungbhutia]

y dont you give price list of gfx cards like the one with mobile phones .... and also update it time to time .. it would be nice

[entrana]

u can try theitwares.com although its overpriced just think of that price as the maximum price and ittl always be less than that

[Ashutosh Malik]

Hi all,
Please tell me DX10 GPU for this configuration

Intel dg965RY MB
Intel Dual Core 3.2 4mb L2
1 GB RAM
160 GB HDD Sata

i want to play NFS Caobon, Call of Duty4, Project IGI, ....

[BULLZI]

bt u have to mention the budget first.:)

well project igi,max payne.... dont need gfx cards.

nfs n cod4 will require it.

u can hv 8500GT 256 mb within 5K incl. tax.

8600GT within 7k incl. tax.

8800GTS 320 mb within 16k incl. tax.

8800GTX within 33.5k incl. tax.

8800 Ultra within 45k incl. tax.

these are all from XFX.

:)

[Ashutosh Malik]

bt u have to mention the budget first.:)

well project igi,max payne.... dont need gfx cards.

nfs n cod4 will require it.

u can hv 8500GT 256 mb within 5K incl. tax.

8600GT within 7k incl. tax.

8800GTS 320 mb within 16k incl. tax.

8800GTX within 33.5k incl. tax.

8800 Ultra within 45k incl. tax.

these are all from XFX.

:)
Thanks sir,
my budget is near 6000 Rs. My LCD is viewsoniq 17" wide screen. I don't know about XFX. Is XFX is better then NVIDIA. Suggest me good one.

[xbonez]

go for 8500 gt or 8600 gs from XFX

XFX is the company that makes gfx cards. nvidia merely makes chipsets.
think of it this way, nvidia makes the technology, XFX, Zebronics etc. make it available to us on their gfx cards. What i mean is, u won't get gfx cards by nvidia. u'll get cards such as XFX Nvidia Geforce 8500GS, Zebronics Nvidia Geforce 8600GT etc.
so, XFX and nvidia can't be compared. without nvidia, XFX won't exist. among card anufacturers, XFX is the best

[Ashutosh Malik]

go for 8500 gt or 8600 gs from XFX

XFX is the company that makes gfx cards. nvidia merely makes chipsets.
think of it this way, nvidia makes the technology, XFX, Zebronics etc. make it available to us on their gfx cards. What i mean is, u won't get gfx cards by nvidia. u'll get cards such as XFX Nvidia Geforce 8500GS, Zebronics Nvidia Geforce 8600GT etc.
so, XFX and nvidia can't be compared. without nvidia, XFX won't exist. among card anufacturers, XFX is the best
Sir,
I check XFX site and found many model of Gerforce 8600 GT. which one is good for me.
Thanks for reply.

go for 8500 gt or 8600 gs from XFX

XFX is the company that makes gfx cards. nvidia merely makes chipsets.
think of it this way, nvidia makes the technology, XFX, Zebronics etc. make it available to us on their gfx cards. What i mean is, u won't get gfx cards by nvidia. u'll get cards such as XFX Nvidia Geforce 8500GS, Zebronics Nvidia Geforce 8600GT etc.
so, XFX and nvidia can't be compared. without nvidia, XFX won't exist. among card anufacturers, XFX is the best


Sir, i check XFX site and found many models of GeForce 8600GT. Which one is best for me.

[Harvik780]

Sir, i check XFX site and found many models of GeForce 8600GT. Which one is best for me.
Go for the plain 256MB model.The basic one.It'll cost around Rs 6,500.

[entrana]

u can try 512mb as well, but i doubt it will improve the performance significantly, id suggest 256

[xbonez]

what about the Fata1ity ver. is it any gud??

[Harvik780]

what about the Fata1ity ver. is it any gud??
Cons-Passive cooling so runs hot,needs good cabinet ventilation,and or a mounted fan to run things cool.
Pros-Performs significantly faster than a plain 8600GT,is made for gamers,challenges the 8600GTS

I don't think this card is for the average consumer.

[The_Devil_Himself]

Yea it runs pretty hot in comparision to sinple GT version and the performance boost is not that high either.I would suggest a simple 8600gt and then flashing it t0 8600gts.

[lalu]

Iam going to buy a new graphics card the model which supports my budget is XFX 8400GS.i want to know whether it give me average performance while playing mostly NFS latest versions.

[xbonez]

yep. u should be able to play NFS Carbon and even PS in medium settings. i have a Sapphire Radeone X1600PRO 256MB and i play Carbon at 1024x768 and everythign high

[entrana]

hey xbonez where did u get ati

[Harvik780]

hey xbonez where did u get ati
U can get it from tirupati enterprises.One vendor of my place deals with ATI cards from tirupati and saphire 2900XT was available.

[entrana]

o cool, and in kolkata as well?

[xbonez]

there's this guy who manages the comps etc. in my dad's office. he got it for me. i'm really happy with my gfx card, performancxe is quite gud for the price

[Harvik780]

o cool, and in kolkata as well?
Visit
http://www.tirupati.net/

And u will get all ur info there,and to confirm yes tirupati is in Kolkatta.

[Ashutosh Malik]

Hi All,

Any one can tell me what is the price of XFX GEForce 8600GT in Nehru place, New Delhi.

Thanks.

[BULLZI]

@Ashutosh

increase ur budget by 1K and get XFX 8600GT 256 MB.it is the best choice for u out there :).

[The_Devil_Himself]

Hi All,

Any one can tell me what is the price of XFX GEForce 8600GT in Nehru place, New Delhi.

Thanks.

Around 6.5k if you can bargain a little.

[hash!!]

finally bought the 8800gts 320mb... :)
its brilliant... tried nfsmw with best settings... well, highest settings, all sliders were to the extreme right lolz, and still the gasme went on like amazingly smooth... played battlefield 2142 with similar settings, and it run like a dream... sigh! this card is just nice... tho i had to change my mobo to a full atx cause the card is tooo huge and hid my sata ports... anyway, im happy happy... :)
oh.. and i got a 550w coolermaster extreme power, and its just right for the card... the box says its 16A on 12v+ or sumthn... well, the card's workin fine, so i guess its alll good.. so this is a very happy me sayin thanks everyone who helped... lolz :)

[entrana]

nice^_^ good to know the card works like a dream

[The_Devil_Himself]

It is supposed to work like a dream.How much it costed you Hash!!

@entrana How are your exams going?

[quadroplex780]

finally bought the 8800gts 320mb... :)
oh.. and i got a 550w coolermaster extreme power, and its just right for the card... the box says its 16A on 12v+ or sumthn... well, the card's workin fine, so i guess its alll good.. so this is a very happy me sayin thanks everyone who helped... lolz :)
The 8800 GTS requires atleast 26Amps on the +12V rails u say the box of psu has 16Amps written for the +12V rails but if its only a single rail then u got to worry if its two or more rails u have got nothing to worry about.I hope its 2 or more

[entrana]

xams are going bad, at least i think they are dont really know what will be the outcome of teh exams will have to wait until 27, thanks for asking though

[arun_chennai]

hey for 6.5k get the AMD 2600XT & with the release of Catalyst 7.9 it kills the 8600GT....

[entrana]

^^are u mad?

[BULLZI]

plz let me know the price of EVGA 8800GTX superclocked and MSI 8800GTX superclocked watercooled edition.
and if possible,ny suggested vendor fron India who can provide me with the warranty.

thanx in advance:).

also one thing,to play the upcoming games(specially CRYSIS) in 1440*900 everything max and max. aa+af, is the GTS version enuff??

and which one 320 MB or 640 MB??

[Harvik780]

plz let me know the price of EVGA 8800GTX superclocked and MSI 8800GTX superclocked watercooled edition.
and if possible,ny suggested vendor fron India who can provide me with the warranty.

thanx in advance:).

also one thing,to play the upcoming games(specially CRYSIS) in 1440*900 everything max and max. aa+af, is the GTS version enuff??

and which one 320 MB or 640 MB??
BULLZI u asked the query about the XFX 7900 GT.The pci-express cards are not made to be connected by molex connectors but by pci-express connectors.The Geforce 7900 GT u have is factory design defective.Other cards u see from XFX which have the PCI-express connectors are from different factories,they have different factory default design.

Also EVGA products are not available in India.And i don't think buying online is an option.I am checking for MSI and Sparkel dealers for u.The calibre.....yes calibre edition from Sparkel for the 8800GTX outperforms the stock 8800Ultra,it has the best cooling technology,electric heat pipe cooling,keeps the card at 56C on load.

And yes the 8800 GTS 640 MB will allow u to play crysis at 1440*900 with everything turned on.A guy created a rumor about performance on crysis-online but i heavily doubt if its true.Best buy for indians is the 8800 GTS 640 MB and for people for USA its the 8800 GTX 768MB.I will download the Crysis demo when its released and will update u.If my 8800GTS does not perform well at 1280*1024 then i will get another 8800GTS 640MB

Tirupati is the whole seller for MSI in India,that's what i found.MSI India site has nothing as to where to buy...a blank page.

Head offices Of tirupati in India (http://www.tirupati.net/about.html)
U can call tirupati enterprises to find a dealer near u.

For Sparkle look here-
abacus is the wholesaler


http://www.abacusperipherals.com/contactus.htm

[entrana]

harvy cud u check 8800gts 320mb from xfx for me also i wanna know the price. and does it come with a vga- whatever adaptor thingee. i also want to know if it has that 7 pin circle plug thingee- hd(green,blue,red) output i heard other company are giving them

[Harvik780]

I called XFX a month ago,at that time the guy here quoted it to be Rs17300 without tax,expect it to be around Rs16950 without tax now.

U'll get two DVI to VGA converter/dongle to connect to a vga monitor,u'll also get an S-Video cable and an s-video to HDTV dongle.So u can happily connect ur HDTV.

[entrana]

yay, um but my hdtv is 10 feet away from my pc
is there an extra long cable taht can connect it to my hdtv

[smit]

hey for 6.5k get the AMD 2600XT & with the release of Catalyst 7.9 it kills the 8600GT....

Actually after the release of 163.67 drivers , i think 8600 GT is a pretty good card & a HD 2600 XT can never beat it.

[Harvik780]

yay, um but my hdtv is 10 feet away from my pc
is there an extra long cable taht can connect it to my hdtv
Well what u said is kind of funny.
Its not possible for HDTV to be connected by a long cable as it requires a really high data transfer rate,increasing the length of the cable will degrade quality a lot as there will be loss of current.There might be HDTV signal boosters which u might have to install just as the cable networks have.

[entrana]

aww man this sucks, how am i suppose to connect it now besides i dont want a really high quality signal a normal signal that supports 720p would do BUT is it available or not
i want a cable that connects to that round thingee then the hd cable that i get from the box ill conect it to that long cable then to my hdtv and im sure the quality wont be THAT bad

[BULLZI]

my card is factory made faulty:(:(.now thts the last thing i needed to know after paying abt 6-6.5 k more than original price while buying the card:(.

i m running outta luck,really.
nyway thnx Harvik for ur nice info.and also it will be very much helpful if u help me finding a reliable vendor.
u know nything abt 98 series from nvidia??actually i was waiting for them bt after several queries i didnt get ny reply from nyone abt the release date.
so i dont wanna wait ny longer.
if possible,do post the prices too for GTX as well as GTS.

abt my present card,its working really cool.

does XFX provide ny exchange offer for factory defective cards??

[entrana]

look dude 98 series- never announced just rumor
8700 - announced
89xx series- announced as well
http://news.softpedia.com/news/NVIDIA-Strikes-Back-With-New-GeForce-8900-Series-47233.shtml

[monkey]

plz let me know the price of EVGA 8800GTX superclocked and MSI 8800GTX superclocked watercooled edition.
and if possible,ny suggested vendor fron India who can provide me with the warranty.

thanx in advance:).

also one thing,to play the upcoming games(specially CRYSIS) in 1440*900 everything max and max. aa+af, is the GTS version enuff??

and which one 320 MB or 640 MB??

I have seen EVGA 8800GTX at http://www.yantraonline.in/ProdDetails.asp?ItemCode=489

I don't know about the warranty issue. I think you have bought your CPU cooler and Corsair RAM from this site - so you yourself must be having some idea about the shopping experience with them and also their authenticity.

Also, Tirupati India has 8800GTX and 8800Ultra but no superclocked edition.

[Harvik780]

aww man this sucks, how am i suppose to connect it now besides i dont want a really high quality signal a normal signal that supports 720p would do BUT is it available or not
i want a cable that connects to that round thingee then the hd cable that i get from the box ill conect it to that long cable then to my hdtv and im sure the quality wont be THAT bad

U will be needing fiber optic cables.I have seen HDTV cables 6 feet long gold plated.Fiber optic cables cost a lot.

[entrana]

wo dude i dont think i can afford that much
my tv has a pc input though so can i have a 10 foot long pc monitor cable?

[BULLZI]

@entrana

thnx buddy:).
sad there is no date mentioned:(.
after viewing the info i hv changed my mind:).i shud rather wait for 89 series.
and if the price is not more than USD600,i can hv a 8900GTX.
@Harvik,can u add something to this??

[entrana]

look these are rumors and no OFFICIAL news has been announced, so we will just have to wait until nvidia actually announces it

[Harvik780]

@entrana

thnx buddy:).
sad there is no date mentioned:(.
after viewing the info i hv changed my mind:).i shud rather wait for 89 series.
and if the price is not more than USD600,i can hv a 8900GTX.
@Harvik,can u add something to this??
All that has been told by the media,chinese sources and guru3d make the nvidia's marketing strategy a bit off the way from what they have taken for all the few last years.I seriously doubt these speculations.
Well people buy nvidia products just not because of performance but because of support for new software standards.I don't know about the 8700 speculation from guru3d as its an nvidia partner but i seriously doubt softpedia.I suggest u buy a sparkle calibre card(search at www.tigerdirect.com for calibre) online but why would u buy online cause the product transfer would take time.Nvidia and neither i recommend buying other overclocked cards because other stock coolers are not good.If u plan to buy an overclocked card from MSI or XFX then u should get a VGA cooler(HR - 03 plus) from prime as they ship anywhere and are indian resellers.The only good games that are coming out arein the next few months because of Christmas.They will all run smooth even on 8800GTS 320MB at 720p with max settings.

I recommend u to buy the 8800GTS 640MB or 8800GTX 768MB.Please emphasize on what i wrote.There are problems with the 320MB model of 8800GTS and although nvidia has solved it to some extent its still there,i hope its solved soon.

Edit: My father has forbid me from buying another 8800GTS 640MB. :(

[entrana]

tigerdirect does NOT ship to india
besides why do u want another gts, arent u happy with ur single gts?

[Harvik780]

tigerdirect does NOT ship to india
Didn't know that

besides why do u want another gts, arent u happy with ur single gts?

I think i need some more fire power for crysis at 1600*1200*32.

[Gigacore]

Thanks Choto... i'll get 7600 GT

[entrana]

harvy relax man u wont need that much power for crysis one 640mb shud suffice

[BULLZI]

@entrana

wish u the very best for Monday:).
and yes ,u r rite,tigerdirect dont ship to india,only states of america are concerned.

@Harvik

so 8900 cards arent coming out shortly?thts sad:(.
my friend wanna get a 8800 GTX oc version.where to get that along with the VGA cooler?prime has both??

[entrana]

no tigerdirect ships to many countries unfortunately india not being one

[niraj trehan]

no tigerdirect ships to many countries unfortunately india not being onerightly said:p

[hash!!]

@quadroplex780, the psu reads the following:

AC INPUT : 115V/230V 8A/6.3A 60/50Hz
DC Output: +3.3V +5V +12V 1 +12V 2 -5V -12V 5Vsb
Max Power: 25A +25A +16A +16A 0.8A 0.8A 2.0A

is that alright? or should i start worryin lolz?? and how do i know theres 2 rails? :S

@The_Devil_Himself, the card cost me around 14-15k... i got my dad to buy it when he went to singapore... here in delhi, when i last checked, an 8800gts 320mb would've cost me atleast 18k... so i guess i have a decent bargain, barring the risk of no international warranty... :(

[quadroplex780]

@quadroplex780, the psu reads the following:

AC INPUT : 115V/230V 8A/6.3A 60/50Hz
DC Output: +3.3V +5V +12V 1 +12V 2 -5V -12V 5Vsb
Max Power: 25A +25A +16A +16A 0.8A 0.8A 2.0A

is that alright? or should i start worryin lolz?? and how do i know theres 2 rails? :S

The +12V 1 & +12V 2 confirms that u have 2 rails so there's nothing to worry about.Happy Fragging:).

harvy relax man u wont need that much power for crysis one 640mb shud suffice
We are getting the HR-03 PLUS for the 8800 GTS and ULTRA 120 extreme both from THERMALRIGHT to build an extremely overclocked system;).

[entrana]

o so now ur dad has changed his mind again? good for you

[quadroplex780]

o so now ur dad has changed his mind again? good for you
No we are not getting any more 8800 gts(es) only the coolers.

[entrana]

i dont think u need to further overclock ur gts for a 1600 resolution, gts 640mb can handle that u shudnt risk overclocking

hey guys can anyone tell me whats this nvidia quadro fx

[dOm1naTOr]

@entrana
quadro FX are cards mainly used for animation, or graphics development purposes. They are much powerful and are more optimised for such purposes. Sure they can be used for gamin, but Geforce series has better value for money as far as gamin is concerned. The quadro series cards supports much more complex visual effect mostly not used in any of the games, but only for HQ animation movies. Such effects include wireframe antialiasing, super filtering etc.Quadro cards can handle those effects, but not that gud at producing effects heavily used in games like 16X AF, Supersampling etc.

[entrana]

i see

guys can anyone suggest me a zebby smps worth maximum of 4k that would be best for my 8800gts 320mb, kindly tell me 600watts

[Harvik780]

Zebronics ZEB-640W Diamond costs Rs 4700 without tax.Its SLI ready.
Other zebronics PSUs like the platinum 600w are not worth looking at as they have low 12V amperage rating.

Link (http://www.zebronics.net/Diamond_Powersupply.asp#)

[omdhar]

I have my system based on C2D E4300, ASUS P5B-MX/wifi, Kingston valueram 1 GB DDR2-667, 400 W Powersafe SMPS. I use integrated graphics memory of 256 MB. My mobo(Intel 946GZ chipset) supports Intel GMA 3000 which has Pixel Shader 2.0, Vertex Shader 3.0 (software) & Open GL 1.4 and no Hardware Transform & Lighting. Can anyone suggest me of some good race & action games for my pc.

[keith_j_snyder2]

benchamark results arent everything, real live tests are, im not trying to say ati sucks though, their 2900 costs 24k it doesent mean it sucks ok im just trying to say that its not THAT good and its weak in anti aliasing, it takes up load for anti aliasing cuz it uses a software while nvidia has hardware antialiasing which makes it faster

Well for sure at that price it sucks and also it sucks more power which means that team green (AMD) isn't working that much on power consumption in graphics field.

2900XT sucks more power...even more than 8800 GTX under load!

All i m saying that we can't totally ignore that Ati(AMD) is not that good but one should be a value for money and that where is nVidia comes.
The 8800 GTS (320MB) is for 16K and i think that much better value for money.

But Ati has its own place.

finally bought the 8800gts 320mb... :)
its brilliant... tried nfsmw with best settings... well, highest settings, all sliders were to the extreme right lolz, and still the gasme went on like amazingly smooth... played battlefield 2142 with similar settings, and it run like a dream... sigh! this card is just nice... tho i had to change my mobo to a full atx cause the card is tooo huge and hid my sata ports... anyway, im happy happy... :)
oh.. and i got a 550w coolermaster extreme power, and its just right for the card... the box says its 16A on 12v+ or sumthn... well, the card's workin fine, so i guess its alll good.. so this is a very happy me sayin thanks everyone who helped... lolz :)

Dude Congrats on ur big purchase!!!

Well ur 550 watt should work fine but if it is less for ur config. thenu might face system crash...or game crash...or something unusual...while in graphics intense work!
I hope u will not face such kinda problem!
Mention the brand(make) and price of ur card and where u bought it from.
Good Luck!

[entrana]

hey harvy
i said a maximum of 4k man u gave me something worth 4.7k and i dont even need sli

[Harvik780]

hey harvy
i said a maximum of 4k man u gave me something worth 4.7k and i dont even need sli
I think ZEB-540W SLI Ready Power Supply will be sufficient and will come under ur budget.This is the lowest one in the diamond series from zebronics.Don't go for the platinum one.U can always order from Itwares if u want the coolermaster,i heard they ship anywhere in India.
:)

[entrana]

i dont trust online sites
anyways i think i may have to go with coolermaster 600watts, i thought i could have gotten zebby it would have been better, dude u have a ym?

[Harvik780]

@Harvik

so 8900 cards arent coming out shortly?thts sad:(.
my friend wanna get a 8800 GTX oc version.where to get that along with the VGA cooler?prime has both??

Overclocked versions of GFX cards are not available in India.

U can order the cooler from prime.They ship anywhere in India.

Sorry for the late reply,didn't see it,my net was down for days.

dude u have a ym?

U mean yahoo??

[entrana]

hey harvy u know where 8800gts 320mb XXX available in kolkata

[Harvik780]

hey harvy u know where 8800gts 320mb XXX available in kolkata
Overclocked versions of Graphics cards are not available in the Indian market,this is primarily because of the hot Indian conditions due to which manufacturers are not willing to release these cards which produce more heat.

[entrana]

i see so we have to stick to manual overclocking

[hash!!]

Dude Congrats on ur big purchase!!!

Well ur 550 watt should work fine but if it is less for ur config. thenu might face system crash...or game crash...or something unusual...while in graphics intense work!
I hope u will not face such kinda problem!
Mention the brand(make) and price of ur card and where u bought it from.
Good Luck!

hehh... thanks man... big purchase it was... waited for frickin ages to get this lolz...
well, its a leadtek winfast... and i bought it from singapore (for obvious reasons and risks.. :) )

anyway, now that im actually using this, i think its running on the hotter side... idle temp is around 65-68 c.. usually constant at 67c... but went upto around 80-81c in-game...
is that normal or should i figure out better fans into my cabinet?
right now, theres a normal sized coolermaster fan (i guess its 80mm?) fixed on the removable slider of the cabinet, blowing into the card to disperse the hot air (i tried it as an exhaust, and it didnt work cool it well), and another one under the psu and above the pcie slot as an exhaust...
and then the psu has a downfacing 120mm pulling air outta the cabinet...

so whats a safe temperature for the card? btw, im not really gonna try oc-ing it for another 4-5 months, cause if this card blows, i dont even have an onboard display for backup...

[keith_j_snyder2]

hehh... thanks man... big purchase it was... waited for frickin ages to get this lolz...
well, its a leadtek winfast... and i bought it from singapore (for obvious reasons and risks.. :) )

anyway, now that im actually using this, i think its running on the hotter side... idle temp is around 65-68 c.. usually constant at 67c... but went upto around 80-81c in-game...
is that normal or should i figure out better fans into my cabinet?
right now, theres a normal sized coolermaster fan (i guess its 80mm?) fixed on the removable slider of the cabinet, blowing into the card to disperse the hot air (i tried it as an exhaust, and it didnt work cool it well), and another one under the psu and above the pcie slot as an exhaust...
and then the psu has a downfacing 120mm pulling air outta the cabinet...

so whats a safe temperature for the card? btw, im not really gonna try oc-ing it for another 4-5 months, cause if this card blows, i dont even have an onboard display for backup...

Wooohh....Thats a lot high temp. The average should be between 40-50 c....max. 55 C. but this is reallly hot. I 've seen several times this much high temp. before but u should be careful. Keeping the flow into ur cabinet and maintaing the temp. is the most important thing for a systm because its straight effects the performance.
Although u have lots of fans in the cabbi but may be u should try adding another 120 MM fan to ur cabinet and see the temp. drops and also open one side of the cabinet and see the temp. goes down or not and check those loose wires, they are real pain in the bu** for cooling!

[Harvik780]

hehh... thanks man... big purchase it was... waited for frickin ages to get this lolz...
well, its a leadtek winfast... and i bought it from singapore (for obvious reasons and risks.. :) )

anyway, now that im actually using this, i think its running on the hotter side... idle temp is around 65-68 c.. usually constant at 67c... but went upto around 80-81c in-game...
is that normal or should i figure out better fans into my cabinet?
right now, theres a normal sized coolermaster fan (i guess its 80mm?) fixed on the removable slider of the cabinet, blowing into the card to disperse the hot air (i tried it as an exhaust, and it didnt work cool it well), and another one under the psu and above the pcie slot as an exhaust...
and then the psu has a downfacing 120mm pulling air outta the cabinet...

so whats a safe temperature for the card? btw, im not really gonna try oc-ing it for another 4-5 months, cause if this card blows, i dont even have an onboard display for backup...
My 8800GTS also went up to 66C which is normal for this card at idle.On load this card can sore up to 74C.Ur slightly hot but the core is made to withstand a temperature of 110C(threshold temp).Download rivatuner and manually set the fan to run at full speed this will decrease the idle temp to max 59C.Also install fans in ur cabinet.Note the volume of air going out should be equal to that coming in.

[Ambar]

I think the temp is normal for this card...as my 8800GTx also goes upto 80 on load...and stays 60-65 idle......i have 2 120mm fans blowing air from the front of the cab...into the sys..and 2 120mm's blowing air out frm the back..+ one 80mm blowing air right at the card...(im using corsair 720W):grin:

[Harvik780]

(im using corsair 720W):grin:
I checked the corsair site and they have no 720 watt,the max is HX620 watt,are u jocking or u mean the 620watt.

[hash!!]

My 8800GTS also went up to 66C which is normal for this card at idle.On load this card can sore up to 74C.Ur slightly hot but the core is made to withstand a temperature of 110C(threshold temp).Download rivatuner and manually set the fan to run at full speed this will decrease the idle temp to max 59C.Also install fans in ur cabinet.Note the volume of air going out should be equal to that coming in.

ahh great... i got kinda paranoid cause of the 80c load temperature... tho the default alert threshhold in the nvidia monitor was set to a 100c...
tell me.. is it alright to stick an 80mm to the card? with a double sided tape? no screws lolz... on the plastic part of it? cause i reckon that'd make it lose a lil heat...

[Harvik780]

ahh great... i got kinda paranoid cause of the 80c load temperature... tho the default alert threshhold in the nvidia monitor was set to a 100c...
tell me.. is it alright to stick an 80mm to the card? with a double sided tape? no screws lolz... on the plastic part of it? cause i reckon that'd make it lose a lil heat...
If the fan blows on the plastic part then it won't have any effect cause plastics can't transfer heat.....cause they are too lazy :D
It would be a better idea to get an external cooler if u want to keep things cool alternately if u keep the room temp and airflow inside the cabby at the right amount then u might get 6C under which means 74C.

[ajex]

there are a few PCI slot coolers around which can be fitted to the slot next to the gfx card like this
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5788/mddslotcoolerxc3.th.jpghttp://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7531/slotfanunitgd5.gif

[entrana]

^^where do you get them

[Harvik780]

^^where do you get them
They are definitely not available in India.

[entrana]

aww, are other pci coolers available like the one from vantec

[Harvik780]

aww, are other pci coolers available like the one from vantec
No they are not available in India.

[xbonez]

there's this member on this forum gannu_rox. i bought a coolermaster 120mm chassis fan from him. i remember at that time he was menioning that he wanted to sell one of his antec pci gfx coolers (like thos above). i wanted to take it from him, but i didn't have any free pci slot. he was selling it for about rs. 600. i think he bought it from somewhere in india only. you could ask him

[hash!!]

@ harvik... ahh well, rivatuner did the trick... i guess the independant control was the culprit... i set the fan speed to 100% default... played battlefield 2142 for half an hour or sumthn at 1024x768, all sliders maxxed, and 4x aa... enabled the nvidia monitor logging and the max temp was 72, avg was 67-68..
edit: tried nfsmw too... max settings, like all sliders to the extreme left, and the avg temp was again 67-68... brilliant $hit... :D
thats good aint it? :) thanks a ton, man... :)

there's this member on this forum gannu_rox. i bought a coolermaster 120mm chassis fan from him. i remember at that time he was menioning that he wanted to sell one of his antec pci gfx coolers (like thos above). i wanted to take it from him, but i didn't have any free pci slot. he was selling it for about rs. 600. i think he bought it from somewhere in india only. you could ask him

dayum... 600 bucks is a steal for a few degrees less lol... could you possibly get me his contact?

[entrana]

if not available here my best bet is to get from abroad

[xbonez]

@hash : he's a member of this forum. PM him. also, i've set my fan load to 70% using riva tuner. can i increase it to 100% permanently without causing any damage??

[hash!!]

@hash : he's a member of this forum. PM him. also, i've set my fan load to 70% using riva tuner. can i increase it to 100% permanently without causing any damage??

ahh well, harvik said its alright to do so... im not quite the authority on that cause its only after he told me about the rivatuner that i set the default speed to 100%...
and well, i reckon it might reduce the life of the fan, or suck up more electricity... i guess thats why the manufacturers set a variable speed rather than a constant speed... :)
i guess its alright to keep it to variable at idle conditions and speed it up to a 100% before gameplay to maintain performance...thats what i think, dunno if that'd help... :)

[Harvik780]

To clarify ur doubts the fan is set to throttel only at default because hardware developers wanted to decrease noise levels.I am member of nvidia forums and the members of that forum recommended me to do this.
:)

[entrana]

it is safe to set fan speed to 100%?

[xbonez]

by what i've read above, i think it is. i'll set it to 95% just to be safe. i dn't give a damn about sound levels

[quadroplex780]

If the fan shipped with the hardware would brake easily why would hardware vendors add fan control support onto their chips yes there is a fan controller on the 8800 and the Overclocked versions of the cards have a higher default fan speed and note that by increasing the fan speed of the card u increase its life by lowering the temps.(I do not recommend the stock cooler if u are ocing but for stock speeds).

[Stalker]

i'm using Everest to monitor the temperatures.....

At idle(Vista Aero), my GPU diode is at a constant 66 C.....with the Auto 60% fan(~1700 rpm)
using Rivatuner, if i increase my fan speed to 100%(~2900 rpm), the GPU diode drops down to 59-58 C.

but by reading the above posts, i have some questions
1. as hash!! said, will increasing the fan speed suck up more power??

2. Is it safe for the GPU fan to constantly run at 100%? coz we are doing these changes using a third-party software( in this case Rivatuner) & not from nvidia's driver control panel.

[Harvik780]

i'm using Everest to monitor the temperatures.....

At idle(Vista Aero), my GPU diode is at a constant 66 C.....with the Auto 60% fan(~1700 rpm)
using Rivatuner, if i increase my fan speed to 100%(~2900 rpm), the GPU diode drops down to 59-58 C.

but by reading the above posts, i have some questions
1. as hash!! said, will increasing the fan speed suck up more power??

2. Is it safe for the GPU fan to constantly run at 100%? coz we are doing these changes using a third-party software( in this case Rivatuner) & not from nvidia's driver control panel.

1. The Products come with a minimum recommended power requirement and amperage on 12V rail.This minimum is set accordingly keeping in mind with the fact that the fans will throttle.Yes increasing the Fan speed will increase the power consumption but until u are not running the system on lower power than recommended u will not face any problems.
2. All over the net its been stated that rivatuner is the best software for tweaks and is old and reliable now,the author of rivatuner is an expert in what he does in my opinion.Also the quality of components used on nvidia products from good companies like XFX,MSI,ASUS,EVGA(exception from me are chaintech and zebronics)is excellent.The fans made to throttle are of very good quality and are made to run at full rpm without getting weared out.

[hash!!]

yeaah... i couldnt be bothered by this now... as it is, im keepin myself from overclocking this card, now i cant get my pc to run hot cause i dont wanna set the default speed to a 100%...
theres a major difference... at 100%, temperature's stable at 59-61, idle and 69-72 under load...
at auto, the temperature just shoots up like crazy... i mean 66 when idle, and 76-80 under load!
so yeaah... im goin with a 100%... :)

[entrana]

whats the maximum temperature under load that is safe? 88 C?

[Harvik780]

whats the maximum temperature under load that is safe? 88 C?
I consider under 75C to be Safe.

[entrana]

ok

[vinaych]

(I have posted this in some other thread.. sorry for that!)

Hi all,
I have a 845 Intel Chipset (no AGP)
Therefore, I want to buy a PCI Graphics card..

I've checked out GeForce FX 5200 (128 MB) card.. it is costing 1650/-

1) I want to know if there are any other good PCI based cards available??

2) Well, there is ATI Radeon 9250, but I have no idea, if it is any better than the FX 5200.. please shed some light on this too..

Thank you,
Vinay.

[p_d5010]

Hi,
I am having an xfx 8600gt (1 week Old) ...the idle temperature it gives at stock is 61-62 deg. while after running 3dmark 2006 at 1280 resolution, the max temperature of card shoots to 85 deg. celcius.
Is this safe, or should i try to install graphics card cooler like antec vcool ?
Or as my card is just 5 days old, should i ask for a replacement?

[Arkantos.G]

Please tell me more about NVIDIA GeForce 6100 nForce 405 onboard graphics card. I am unable to play NFS Carbon with high graphics.

[xbonez]

dude, the 6100 is onboard. it isn't meant to play games on high, especially games like 6100. u'll just about be able to play the new games at low settings. if u're a serius gamer and would like to play all the latest games, u're supposed to invest in a dedicated gfx card

[p_d5010]

I thought someone would answer my question :(

[entrana]

^^if it shoots up to that temperature, it means its not getting proper cooling. try to increase ventiliation or ill give you a tip. open the side of the cabinet and if possible put a table fan beside it. it wud help

[sanjay_111]

My computer has power supply of 300 W, x 16 PCI express slot. Which is the best graphics card I can instal ?

[niraj trehan]

My computer has power supply of 300 W, x 16 PCI express slot. Which is the best graphics card I can instal ?
mmm......8600gt will do from xfx:D .pretty gud graphic card.

[Ambar]

I checked the corsair site and they have no 720 watt,the max is HX620 watt,are u jocking or u mean the 620watt.
dood the 720w was phased out 2 months ago...due to very low sales...so thts why u cant find the 720 w one on the site:-|

[hash!!]

^^if it shoots up to that temperature, it means its not getting proper cooling. try to increase ventiliation or ill give you a tip. open the side of the cabinet and if possible put a table fan beside it. it wud help

yeaah... i'l second that... it really helps to have a fan blow into your card... that disperses the heat... most cabinets have a small grill thing next to the pcie as a provision for a fan, or just as a vent... you could put an intake fan there... one that sucks air from the outside and blows it in.... but you gotta put in another fan towards to top that acts as an exhaust...

Intake: this should blow air into your cabinet, ideally next to your card...
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/580/20070922443copycu8.th.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070922443copycu8.jpg)

Exhaust: sucks air outta the cabinet... ideally towards the top, cause heat rises..
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8112/20070922444copyth4.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070922444copyth4.jpg)
sorry about the picture quality... my phone doesnt do well in rooms... :P
hope this helps.. :)

[nish_higher]

i need a new card.should i buy Ati X1950Pro 512MB or XFX 8600 GTS 256 MB?

[sanjay_111]

mmm......8600gt will do from xfx:D .pretty gud graphic card.

It won't, it requires a higher power supply !

I checked 8500 GT, it needs minimum of 350 W.

[entrana]

i need a new card.should i buy Ati X1950Pro 512MB or XFX 8600 GTS 256 MB?
i suggest u take 8600gts , although x1950pro isnt bad at all, it is very good

[p_d5010]

yeaah... i'l second that... it really helps to have a fan blow into your card... that disperses the heat... most cabinets have a small grill thing next to the pcie as a provision for a fan, or just as a vent... you could put an intake fan there... one that sucks air from the outside and blows it in.... but you gotta put in another fan towards to top that acts as an exhaust...

Intake: this should blow air into your cabinet, ideally next to your card...
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/580/20070922443copycu8.th.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070922443copycu8.jpg)

Exhaust: sucks air outta the cabinet... ideally towards the top, cause heat rises..
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8112/20070922444copyth4.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070922444copyth4.jpg)
sorry about the picture quality... my phone doesnt do well in rooms... :P
hope this helps.. :)

I have done exactly the same setup in my cabinet, but still the card temperature is 61 idle and 85 load.......should i aply more heatsink paste below the card's fan ?

[entrana]

i dont think u shud apply more heatsink paste, i think ur cabby just has a really bad airflow, try opening the side of the cabinet and place a fan beside it, it shud cool down considerably

[vish786]

price for ati (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=612162&postcount=2611)

[Harvik780]

I have done exactly the same setup in my cabinet, but still the card temperature is 61 idle and 85 load.......should i aply more heatsink paste below the card's fan ?
No never do that,if thermal paste is applied more than what the amount it should
have been applied then it will start acting as an insulator between the core and the heatsink resulting in more heat.

[sagargv]

I have done exactly the same setup in my cabinet, but still the card temperature is 61 idle and 85 load.......should i aply more heatsink paste below the card's fan ?

i have a 2 + half month old xfx 8600GT . me too getting same temps . many others are also getting same temps . i think it can be decided as safe temps ..
for me idle - 62C . load 80-85 max 87C ..so i think this is the normal . but the surprising fact is that many are getting much lower temps even when heavily OCed . neway , if temps decrease after replacement (if u do this ) , tell me . i will also ask for replacement.

[nish_higher]

i suggest u take 8600gts , although x1950pro isnt bad at all, it is very good let me go other way-which one will b best below 12k ?doesnt matter ati or nvidia.considering i wont b upgrading again till next yr.so need a future proof card.all i gotta do is connect 2 monitors and also i'm a casual gamer.all i wanna play is some new games in good res like crysis\stalker\c&c,etc.

[entrana]

well i reccommend u take the gts, although u can wait a little for nvidias new cards to come out

[chicha]

This is my spec
AMD AM2 3000+
512*2 DDR2
AGP 6200 256 MB.


now the question is what is the next card i can buy? my budget is arround Rs 5000, i can wait for some time no hurry. But i can not buy a new motherboard so PCI-E is out of question.

i have heard 7300GT is nice.
what is the optimal card for my requirements.
i play lots of games, and i want to view HD too.

[The_Devil_Himself]

want to view HD then definitely go for 8500gt of 8600gt.I think 8600gt is now only 5.5k-6k.

[entrana]

^^but he doesent have pci-e

[The_Devil_Himself]

Aw man then go for 7300gt.

[entrana]

is 7300agp or pci?

[Harvik780]

is 7300agp or pci?
7300 is available in both flavours.

[entrana]

i see

[mavihs]

Is it worth 2 buy a second hand BIG 7600GS (factory overclocked)????
How much should i pay for it???

[sanjay_111]

I have been wanting to know which card would suit me with the constraint that SMPS is rated only 300 W. 8500 GT needs min 350 W.

From earlier posts, I can make out 7300 is a good choice. But is there anything anyone knows between 7300 and 8500 which is better but will fit into my comp (x 16 PCI - E) ? I want the config to last for some time before it becomes outdated.

Right now I have integrated Xpress 200 with which Company of Heroes is quite choppy.

[The_Devil_Himself]

Is it worth 2 buy a second hand BIG 7600GS (factory overclocked)????
How much should i pay for it???
I know which card you are talking about.I think anything more than 3k would be stupidity.2.5-2.8 should be enough considering new one is available for around 4.5k and yes 8600 is available for 5.5k.

I have been wanting to know which card would suit me with the constraint that SMPS is rated only 300 W. 8500 GT needs min 350 W.

From earlier posts, I can make out 7300 is a good choice. But is there anything anyone knows between 7300 and 8500 which is better but will fit into my comp (x 16 PCI - E) ? I want the config to last for some time before it becomes outdated.

Right now I have integrated Xpress 200 with which Company of Heroes is quite choppy.

Dude a zebronics basic 400w smps is available for 500 bucks so no reasong to go for 7300 if you can afford 8500 but I recommend 8600gt(5.5k-6k).

[sanjay_111]

Devil,

Thanks for your reply. Two points:

1. I was reluctant to replace SMPS since it kills manufacturer's warranty. But will do it if it is best option.

2. What is the difference between 8600 and 8500 ? I spoke to a distributor at Kolkata who said there is no EXTRA value in 8600 unless I use Adobe Photoshop. 8500 will last at least 3 years if all I do is play games.

Will welcome comments from all on this

[Harvik780]

What is the difference between 8600 and 8500 ? I spoke to a distributor at Kolkata who said there is no EXTRA value in 8600 unless I use Adobe Photoshop. 8500 will last at least 3 years if all I do is play games.

Will welcome comments from all on this
He is an idiot.Even the 8800Ultra won't last three years studying nvidia's approach,the 8800Ultra SLI will give better performance only at 1024*768 and only on nvidia optimized games.This is the Harsh truth,with pc new hardware always beats the old hardware by a wide range.
8600GT is a way better performer than the 8500GT Due to the increment of Stream Processors from 16 to 32 in games.
Go for 8600GT if u can.
And always ask the price of Computer products from distributer as u did because the dealers might cheat u.

[sanjay_111]

If I may be permitted to harp on this a little - I do not understand the innards of a graphics card. I want to know how u sense the difference when u play a game with high end graphics, between 8500 and 8600.

Looks like I will have to change SMPS.

[Harvik780]

If I may be permitted to harp on this a little - I do not understand the innards of a graphics card. I want to know how u sense the difference when u play a game with high end graphics, between 8500 and 8600.

Looks like I will have to change SMPS.

The stream processors are unified shader processors which execute shader instructions.Since newer games are more shader intensive more Stream Processors=More performance.

[sanjay_111]

Thanks for your reply, Harvy. It will really help.

But just for my knowledge, if I had to restrict the purchase of graphics card to one with 250 or 300 W power supply requirement, which would be the best choice ?

[Harvik780]

Thanks for your reply, Harvy. It will really help.

But just for my knowledge, if I had to restrict the purchase of graphics card to one with 250 or 300 W power supply requirement, which would be the best choice ?
8400GS.There's a review of this video card in the reviews section by @choto Cheeta
I am giving the link.

Here's the link-
Quick Look At 8400GS (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65606&highlight=8400GS)

[The_Devil_Himself]

But don't even think of playing latest games on 8400gs.Its just good enough for Vista and HD videos.
2. What is the difference between 8600 and 8500 ? I spoke to a distributor at Kolkata who said there is no EXTRA value in 8600 unless I use Adobe Photoshop. 8500 will last at least 3 years if all I do is play games.
This is one of the stupidest thing I heard in recent times I mean WTF is this Photoshop thing.Dude the seller is trying to dupe you be careful.Confirm your model no. and price and then insist on purchasing that card only.

My recommendations(final):
1.Change your smps(and I think it doesn't void your warranty)
2.get a 8600gt

total:around 6.5k.

[sanjay_111]

Thanks a ton guys. I can now make a decision.

[JohnephSi]

Plz suggest me an agp card .My budget is Rs 5000.

[The_Devil_Himself]

7600gt.

[JohnephSi]

Which brand xfx or ....

[The_Devil_Himself]

whichever but I prefer XFX.

[hash!!]

Devil,

Thanks for your reply. Two points:

1. I was reluctant to replace SMPS since it kills manufacturer's warranty. But will do it if it is best option.

2. What is the difference between 8600 and 8500 ? I spoke to a distributor at Kolkata who said there is no EXTRA value in 8600 unless I use Adobe Photoshop. 8500 will last at least 3 years if all I do is play games.

Will welcome comments from all on this

hehh... yeaah dude... that guy doesnt know jack$hit and is doin what all computer hardware dealers do best in and around india - ripping you off... :)
photoshop cs3's come out with a "use gpu" option, which in my opionion, doesnt make that big a difference... and well, with softwares like 3ds max and maya unlimited, photoshop's performance the last thing i'd quote on a gfx card's muscle... and lastly, 8600 is better... well, if you dont understand the specs of the card, i reckon i'd go with the one thats commonsense... 8500 + 100 = 8600... :D hehh.. im just too lame... :)

[utsav]

which AGP card to buy to run NFS Most wanted at max settings at 1024*768.

i want AGP not PCI e

[Third Eye]

Get a 6600 GT (128MB)

[utsav]

budget is not more than 3k

[sanjay_111]

Asking something just out of curiosity:

I have an integrated chipset Xpress 200 which seems to meet minimum requirement for COH (Geforce 3 is min for COH).

Which Nvidia card is equivalent of this Xpress 200 ?

[allwyndlima]

^If you mean a stand alone card then I suppose a Nvidia Geforce 6200 & in the older AGP lot FX5200 would be almost similar comparable cards.Though each of them would have wee bit more power to handle the games as compared to the Xpress 200 chipset.Believe me you wouldn't want to play COH on these onboards or low end cards as it would crush them in one go.

The minimum requirement mentioned are just the bare minimum to get the game started & don't promise good frame rates even on low settings.So I suggest invest in a better card possibly a 7600GS which is going on sale in Bazaar section is quite a healthy deal IMO.Check it out if you may.;)

[sanjay_111]

^If you mean a stand alone card then I suppose a Nvidia Geforce 6200 & in the older AGP lot FX5200 would be almost similar comparable cards.Though each of them would have wee bit more power to handle the games as compared to the Xpress 200 chipset.Believe me you wouldn't want to play COH on these onboards or low end cards as it would crush them in one go.

The minimum requirement mentioned are just the bare minimum to get the game started & don't promise good frame rates even on low settings.So I suggest invest in a better card possibly a 7600GS which is going on sale in Bazaar section is quite a healthy deal IMO.Check it out if you may.;)

I am going for 8400 GS (for want of more power from SMPS). If COH is slow with xpress 200, then i can imagine what will happen when i try to play more recent ones.

Guys here gave very good advice here and otherwise i would have taken it and gone for SMPS upgrade + 8600 GT (you also said the same thing elsewhere) but since I play strategy games mostly and hardly any action games, I thought 8400 GS would be OK for me.

Thanks for your helpful comments though.

By the way, does anyone know a dealer in Kolkata who will sell it to me and send a technician to instal it at my house. I earlier called a guy with 8500 GT but after he came, I discovered this SMPS problem and only installed the RAM but sent back the graphics card and now he is not taking much interest !

[utsav]

some one solve my query plz

[entrana]

no card, i mean no card, can run carbon at max in 1024x768 under 3k dude

[The_Devil_Himself]

^^Utsav get a 6600gt.I think it should play MW at high settings.Man 7300GT(pcie) is available for 3.2k but the agp versions are so damn expensive nowadays.

[entrana]

6600gt is less than 3k? i didnt know but i dont think it will run at max

[utsav]

i wanna run most wanted at max without AA and AF turned on

i can spend 4k also but it should be worth it

[The_Devil_Himself]

what others options you have is 6800gtx(128mb) @3.4k(itwares.com)
@entrana :bose he said max details at 1280*786 resolution which should not be a problem for 6600gt.BUT BUT the problem is finding agp cards.

[utsav]

6800xt 256MB is for 3.7k at deltapage

one more thing.i have a 450 watt intex PSU .will it be sufficient for 6600gt or 6800gtx or 6800xt

which is better 6600gt or 6800gtx 128 mb or 6800xt 256mb

[entrana]

450watts is fine, 6800 256 shud be the best

[hash!!]

i guess you should look for an agp in the 7 series... cause they had agp versions upto the 7600gt, from what i remember... goin for the 6 series now isnt quite cool, despite the fact that it was a real cool line-up... and well, you might get a 7600gs or 7300gt agp if you look around... i almost bought a x1950pro agp last year for around 10-12k cause i got sick of the dumb 9200 i had, and i was stuck on an agp board... tho you'l have to look around a lottt...

[The_Devil_Himself]

^^look at his budget dude 4k I think even 7300gt agp costs in excess of 5k and IMO 6800gt is better than 7300.

[utsav]

how fast is 7600gt in comparison to 6800xt

i think 6800xt 256 MB is fine for me .can any1 tell me the latest street price of this card.its 3.7k on deltapage.com but i think this is a old price.

[hash!!]

how fast is 7600gt in comparison to 6800xt

i think 6800xt 256 MB is fine for me .can any1 tell me the latest street price of this card.its 3.7k on deltapage.com but i think this is a old price.

oh the 7600gt is a good card... and well, i think i remember buyin a 7600gs for someone a couple of months back for less than 4k... but i guess a 6800xt is better... i looked into its specs and performance... 7600gs comes close to the 6800xt's performance, but the 7600gt can kick the 6800's a$$ hands down... :)
and yeah, im not sure about the rates bro, so i cant say what fits your budget, tho i think the 7600gt's rates must've gone down by now cause of the 8 series... but as i said, i cant be sure... :)

[Sunny1211993]

i prefer 8600Gt coz i own it.
all the LATEST games run like malai on it.
but the cost is a bit on the higher side.15-16k or so.

[Harvik780]

i prefer 8600Gt coz i own it.
all the LATEST games run like malai on it.
but the cost is a bit on the higher side.15-16k or so.
8600GT costs Rs 6,400.

[Sunny1211993]

guyz,what is the cost of 8800 Ultra,i wanna buy it?

[Harvik780]

guyz,what is the cost of 8800 Ultra,i wanna buy it?
Call Rashi and ask the price.
They have both XFX and ASUS Geforce 8800Ultra.
Check contact info in master hardware contact list.

[utsav]

8800 ultra is somewhere around 45k


Plz tell any other sites other than itwares and deltapage to find latest hardware prices

[The_Devil_Himself]

Utsav bro visit your nearby market to know the latest prices.Most online sites will give high prices.

[utsav]

main problm is that in my local market only 6200 agp gpu is available it means i hav to bring the 6800 xt ago gpu from other nearby city

[The_Devil_Himself]

Ask some friend or someone.I was just saying that online sites are not that reliable as far as the prices are concerned.
I think you should be able to get 6800gt agp at around 3.5k but the main problem would be finding one.Real pain in the a&& to locate a agp card nowadays.

[Sunny1211993]

and what is the cost of ati HD 2900?
is it gud?
which is the best graphix card on the market?
HD 2900 or 8800 ultra?

[utsav]

i am asking the price of 6800xt not 6800gt

i wanted to get an idea abt the price.

if any forum member can send me the card i will pay him a little extra also.any1 wants to send?

[Sunny1211993]

what is the diff btw 8600 and 8800 in terms of gaming?
all the latst games run smooth on my card.
with amazing graphix.
BTW i dont play games ne more.

[utsav]

^^so why u r buying 8800 ultra

[Sunny1211993]

just coz i need to stay updated.

[entrana]

xfx 8800utra costing arond 40k, i suggest u take gtx which costs 33k, dont bother for the asus ones they are ridiculously overpriced

[Sunny1211993]

what abt ATI 2900 HD?how's that?

[entrana]

ddont bother about ati its not that good, u can still get it if u wish but most games are optimized for nvidia and not for ati so it would be better if u got nvidia. i reccomend u get 8800gtx it costs around 34k from xfx, this is an excellent card. the ultra is just like an overclocked version of gtx, go ahead with gtx and if u cant afford it u can try the 8800gts640mb edition. gud luk

[utsav]

from where can i buy 6800 xt 256MB AGP online.one of the member's pmed me saying try www.newegg.com .
whats ur suggestion.i am unable to find this card locally.

[BULLZI]

u can try online if u cant find locally ur need.its safe bt u hv to bear the delivery charges.

[utsav]

i can bear that much atleast but where to buy online.i didn't find this card on ebay and futurebazaar.com.where to try other than these.

[Harvik780]

^^Hope this helps-
http://www.techforless.com/cgi-bin/tech4less/PVT42KUDE3?mv_pc=nextag

[utsav]

^^hey ,,its too costly here

[Harvik780]

This one!!!-
http://www.directron.com/zo68xtdagp.html

[utsav]

^^do they ship to india

[Harvik780]

^^do they ship to india
No they don't sorry for that.
BTW why do u want a 6800XT AGP.

[utsav]

i want either a 6600gt or 6800xt agp as my budget is low and these cards offer best bang for the buck.

[Harvik780]

i want either a 6600gt or 6800xt agp as my budget is low and these cards offer best bang for the buck.
What's ur Budget??Please tell that so that i can help.

[utsav]

bytheway where u stay.can u buy and send me the card.i will pay u extra.

[Harvik780]

6800 will be hard to source.U can go for 7300GT (128 BIT AGP).This card gives more performance than 6600GT.

[utsav]

i want to keep within 3.6k so can u tell abt 6600gt

even a 2nd hand card will do

[Harvik780]

Yes I think the AGP version will cost a lot.

I can't help u as all my options are closed,sorry.

[utsav]

at deltapage.com 6800 xt 256MB agp is for 3.7k.what abt it.i think 6600gt will be less than 3.5k

[hash!!]

the 8800gts 320 mb seems to be as good as the 640mb version... i couldnt believe it at first, but after goin thru all those benchmarks available online, the 640mb gts gives like a minor performance difference, so i think whoever's goin for the 640mb gts should either go for the 320mb oc version, or probably hike their budget and get a gtx...
its weiirdd... i cant seem to figure out why nvidia did this... i mean make the 320mb almost at par with the 640mb... :S

[utsav]

koi to meri help karo yaar

[akshaythedoc]

guys please suggest me a graphic card ..
256 mb
my budget is abt rs 5000

[entrana]

the 8800gts 320 mb seems to be as good as the 640mb version... i couldnt believe it at first, but after goin thru all those benchmarks available online, the 640mb gts gives like a minor performance difference, so i think whoever's goin for the 640mb gts should either go for the 320mb oc version, or probably hike their budget and get a gtx...
its weiirdd... i cant seem to figure out why nvidia did this... i mean make the 320mb almost at par with the 640mb... :S
dont go by the benchmark results, the 640mb version offers better performance in games in higher resolutions than the 320mb version one. and its always better to have more texture memory

[hash!!]

dont go by the benchmark results, the 640mb version offers better performance in games in higher resolutions than the 320mb version one. and its always better to have more texture memory

well, in my opinion, theres not a lotta games that have maps and textures that huge... its obviously better to have more memory, and its never enough, but in terms of gaming, i dont think they have that huge textures to be stored during gameplay... and well, im not sayin that the 640 mb is a dumb card... its just that there isnt that big a difference b/w the 320 and 640 when compared, even at high resolutions...

koi to meri help karo yaar
i really think you should go for a pcie board and start saving up for a decent card... change your board, get a pcie version accordin to your processor... trust me man, you'l regret it later if you spend your money on an agp card right now... get a mobo which has a decent onboard graphics accelerator, i had an msi socket am2 board, it had 6200, 256mb oboard... you could play nfsmw,carbon,etc at decent settings with that...
thats what i did... i changed my processor and board cause i was stuck on a dumb agp board for 3 years, then i saved up for a good card...

[smit]

for the people who are dumb out there , there is vitually no diffrence in fps between 320 MB version & the 640 MB version on resoultion upto 1280 x 1024, even if everything is on max. yes recent updates have helped 8800 GTS 320 MB by fixing little bit of its memory leak. the only diffrence in fps is showed when you try play the game on DX 10 mode on some games & there very few games out there which gives 640 MB fps in DX 9 mode , so if you going to play on 1280 x 1024 , either you are really dumb to go with 640 MB version or you don't want to upgrade your card for long time, pick one.


Have a nice day.

[Harvik780]

for the people who are dumb out there , there is vitually no diffrence in fps between 320 MB version & the 640 MB version on resoultion upto 1280 x 1024, even if everything is on max. yes recent updates have helped 8800 GTS 320 MB by fixing little bit of its memory leak. the only diffrence in fps is showed when you try play the game on DX 10 mode on some games & there very few games out there which gives 640 MB fps in DX 9 mode , so if you going to play on 1280 x 1024 , either you are really dumb to go with 640 MB version or you don't want to upgrade your card for long time, pick one.


Have a nice day.
Very rude post.We are here to help and not call people dumb.So now i think rashi is a fool cause they have stopped selling the 320MB models.

[smit]

its not rude but if you have more money to be future proof go ahead & buy a 640 MBversion,also all the PC building guides on the net suggest that you should get a 320 MB for 1240 x 1024. so you think guides written by the experts of guru3d , tomhadware are idiots ? of course not & please i am not intrested in xfx, maybe its a very good brand in india but in US & other countries Evga & inno3D & BFG cards are the best , also i didn't know they have stopped selling them & yes they are fools cause many people don't have money to burn on the 24k 640 MB version.

[Sunny1211993]

i play all my games with highest graphix settings.
they run smooth.
and hey,gamez r the new ones.not the outdated ones.
i dont play games much now but the games like rainbow six vegas and splinter cell double agent run well.
What r the other features of 8800 cards?

[smit]

abtom@ well if you are type who watches movies (HD) more than gaming on the pc , 8600 GT is a better choice for games 8800 GTS is 2 to 3 times faster than 8600 GT but if you enjoy playing games on 1024 x 768 i suggest you should not think of buying a 8800 GTS card for now cause 8600 GT can play most of the games with max settings with decent frams on 1024 x 768 right now.

[The_Devil_Himself]

^^very true.Instead of upgrading from 8600gt to 8800 now wait for 8700 or g92 core GPU's to come out.

[Sunny1211993]

BTW,i use 1280X1024 on RS Vegas.
Works malai.

[codeash]

Okay I see here some 101+ pages and I cannot read them all and see if some one has asked this question before.

My question is short and simple. I have a HP Compaq nx6120 laptop. I was thinking of either selling the laptop and buying a new one or buying a upgrade for video graphic card if that is possible. So i just want to ask can i change the graphic card for a laptop or can i put a external one or something like that.

[utsav]

@ hash .i have already made up my mind for that after seeing a lot of things.i hav mentioned earlier that my budget is low .i just want to play games at high settings thats why i want a agp.a onboard gfx solution is not required.and upgrading the board to a pci-e one will be out of budget for me.
my current board is a great overclocker and i already play NFS MW on it with decent settings.so upgrading to agp is the best solution for me.

[naveen_reloaded]

Hi all
I am just going to buy a graphics card ,an pci-e card.
Please suggest few good ones and thier price.
Now i have 6200 tc nvidia.
Please do reply fast.tom morning i am going to buy

[hash!!]

@ hash .i have already made up my mind for that after seeing a lot of things.i hav mentioned earlier that my budget is low .i just want to play games at high settings thats why i want a agp.a onboard gfx solution is not required.and upgrading the board to a pci-e one will be out of budget for me.
my current board is a great overclocker and i already play NFS MW on it with decent settings.so upgrading to agp is the best solution for me.

hehh yeaah... i understand... being on a budget sucks... i waited 3 years for a proper upgrade...

[Choto Cheeta]

Dont mind, I was just wondering as one Senior member how can you miss this ?? http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5193 :(

as On topic... well 8400 is Rs. 2600/- + TAX
XFX 8600 GT is Rs. 6700/- + TAX
XFX 8800 GTS 320 MB is Rs. 15000/- + TAX


@MODs if possible then please marge the threads :)

thnx :)

[naveen_reloaded]

Guys i am going to buy a graphics card ..i am planning for 7 series.as i am not going to use directX 10 for some time.
So is there a good card in which i can overclock and use it br costly ones.
I am having two cards in mind.
7600 and 7900 .i dont know the price.which one is good?or is there anyother card out there?
And also my budget is 6k .please reply someone as i am going to buy today.thanks

[naveen_reloaded]

Thanks chota.
Sorry for not looking into that thread before.
Just was in a hurry and opened the thread.there is 100+ PAGES .anyway thanks for the reply.
What about 7 series?
My budget is 6k

[The_Devil_Himself]

Dude 7900 is way way better than 7600(for that matter even a lot better than 8600) but it is certainly expensive.A 7900gs would be around 10k i guess.
Look dude a 8600 is atleast as good as 7600 if not better and has DX10 support as well.I would pick 8600 over 7600 anyday and with the release of newer drivers the performance of 8600 is getting better and better.
And besides there is hardly Rs500-700 price difference between 7600 and 8600.Its your call dude.

[entrana]

please tell us your budget, i highly suggest 7900gt

[smit]

8600 GT beats 7900 GT by some margine in shader based games (oblivion), also you can now overclock your shaders with riva tuner 2.05 but in memory intensive games (F.E.A.R, company of heroes) it loses to 7900 GT by some margine. future games will be more shader based expect some exceptions. so going with 8600 GT is a good choice. (if you are into movies like me, you will love 8600 GT, purevideo is really cool.)

[The_Devil_Himself]

please tell us your budget, i highly suggest 7900gt he said 6k.

[dOm1naTOr]

@smit
8600GT can't be compared with a 7900GT. Its hell lot better than 8600GT, or even 8600GTS.
8600GT dun even come close to 7900GS.
And even GF 6 series has purevideo decoder enuf for todays videos. An 8600GT is no better than a 7900GS on video quality.

@naveen_reloaded
for 6k, what u can max get is 7600GT. But i prefer 8600GT as more future proof.
7600GT too can be overclocked extremely. Im running my 7600GT @ 690/1580 from 560/1400. These clocks are much higher than XFX FATAL1TY.
Just check how much an 8600GT can be max oced via riva tuner nd decide.

[smit]

^ hey dude i know what i am talking about , you see when 8600 gt came out there was only one title that was shader based & the title was 'oblivion' now more games are coming which are shader based..i also discussed this in this thread, posting many links etc.. also if you still don't believe me search any review which uses the nvidia drivers 163.44 or above, the underclocked 8600 GT beats 7900 GT in oblivion.....& the fact is 8600 GT can be overclocked to 715/1600/860 with ease without volt clocking , 7900 GT can't even touch it(in shader based games)...also 8600 GT uses purevideo 4 , for details check out anadtech for more info , there are no other nvidia cards out there that can match 86xx series in movie quaility , try to watch a HD video on hd-TV With 86xx series card , it looks awesome.

[naveen_reloaded]

Guys thanks for all the replies.
I am really confused.
Can i use two 7600 later say 8 months later.will it be worth.i saw some comparison somewhere where 8600 was last in directX 10 cards.what shall i do.or is it that i have to get a new one saw after few months?please reply guys. I am hours away from getting the card.

[hash!!]

hehh.. dude, theres no such thing as being futureproof... and i guess theres no harm goin for a 7 series card if dx10 is your worry.... dx10 is only on vista, and the transition from xp to vista is gonna take a lotta time... and these so called dx10 card in the ati 2xxx series and the nvidia 8 series arent quite great when benchmarked on dx10 standards... in my opinion, game studios arent gonna start selling hardcore dx10 stuff till the time vista is as widespread as xp...
remember the initial bug-ridden xp and the whole skeptism in everyone about shifting from windows 98/winme etc to xp? and now the whole thing's happenin again i guess, and it'l take some time, so theres no point in being dx10 if you arent using vista... and for a long time, dx10 games are gonna be backwards compatible... :)

[naveen_reloaded]

hehh.. dude, theres no such thing as being futureproof... and i guess theres no harm goin for a 7 series card if dx10 is your worry.... dx10 is only on vista, and the transition from xp to vista is gonna take a lotta time... and these so called dx10 card in the ati 2xxx series and the nvidia 8 series arent quite great when benchmarked on dx10 standards... in my opinion, game studios arent gonna start selling hardcore dx10 stuff till the time vista is as widespread as xp...
remember the initial bug-ridden xp and the whole skeptism in everyone about shifting from windows 98/winme etc to xp? and now the whole thing's happenin again i guess, and it'l take some time, so theres no point in being dx10 if you arent using vista... and for a long time, dx10 games are gonna be backwards compatible... :)

Thanks mate.can anyone tell me is there a card next to 7600 which is better?
And what is the price difference between 7600 and 7900?
And one more question.currently i have 6200 tc..
What can i expect from the upgrade,just curious...
And since i am going to install vista until their service Pack.so i will go with one of the 7 series..
Thanks all for the replies.

[utsav]

7600 7900 and 8600 r much much faster than 6200tc atleast 4 times performance boost

[hash!!]

i have some major trouble/confusion... i was tryin to log my temperatures, and take a look at this:
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9818/29597760wl3.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=29597760wl3.jpg)
what the hell is nforce? i mean i opened up my cabinet and checked if it was that blistering hot... i mean 176c should be bloody hot? but it was totally normal... even the copper heatsink on the mobo was alright (i have an asus m2ne), i mean i kept my hand on whatever heatsinks i could find and they were all okay... but this 176 has pretty much creeped me out majorly!
help people!! loll...


@ naveen : http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html
that'l answer you performance related queries... it has a whole list of how cards perform under different resolutions... or just select overall games fps and see what the grand total for each card is...

[naveen_reloaded]

thnks hash for the link..
i cant even find 6200 tc in that list ..anyway ,, then i think i may expect as utsav said atleast a 4x increase in speed..

any price details guys ???

and wht is the price diff between gt and gs??? 7600

[utsav]

@hash i think ur readings r not correct.hav a look at ur fan speeds 30k+RPM .its too much.and if it would hav been 176 degrees then ur cabby paint would hav been burnt

[hash!!]

@hash i think ur readings r not correct.hav a look at ur fan speeds 30k+RPM .its too much.and if it would hav been 176 degrees then ur cabby paint would hav been burnt

hehh yeaah... im hoping someone has a solution, cause i dont quite want my system to go up in flames lolz...

[cynosure]

hi guys, I brought my new rig this week.
Now I bought a XFX 8600GT.

Tell me which is better, 256MB GDDR3 RAM or 512MB GDDR2 RAM? Mine is the latter one, had I made a mistake in sheer excitement of 512MB? Will it live as long as 256MB GDDR3. Any advantages of 512MB card?

[sagargv]

i wud vote for 256mb gddr3 . .higher mems means more texture can be loaded to the g-mem . . this helps at high resolutions ( > 1024 x 768 ) but the 8600GT is quite incapable of running today's games at higher resoultions like 1600x1200 . so a faster 256mb will be better than a less used slower 512mb.

[utsav]

^^exactly this i would say

[codeash]

Hey dudes can some one please answer to my question i asked...Its little urgent you guys know the answer pls help...

[naveen_reloaded]

guys thnks for all the replies..

i just BOUGHT "XFX 8600 GT 256 MB DDR3 for Rs 6800"

i also found cards from BIG 8600 512 ddr2 (i think) for Rs 6500

i also found 7600 GT 256 for 6100 Rs since because stock was not there and i was in a hurry i had buy this this one ..

how is 8600 GT 256 ??
please tell me its good .. JUST curiuos again ...

[cynosure]

i wud vote for 256mb gddr3 . .higher mems means more texture can be loaded to the g-mem . . this helps at high resolutions ( > 1024 x 768 ) but the 8600GT is quite incapable of running today's games at higher resoultions like 1600x1200 . so a faster 256mb will be better than a less used slower 512mb.

Holy cow! Does it have a chance against UT3 and Crysis?
Can it pull thru mid 2008 with DX9.0 games? I will change my card at that time.

[utsav]

koi mujhe yeh to batao ki BIG 6800xt 128MB AGP online kaise kharidu.in their site www.big-tek.com when i click the tab order now my browser says page not found

[The_Devil_Himself]

Holy cow! Does it have a chance against UT3 and Crysis?
Can it pull thru mid 2008 with DX9.0 games? I will change my card at that time.8600GT should play crysis at 1024*786 resolution with medium\high details.Its a decent card and with the release of better drivers its performance will see boost.And besides crysis is ubder nvidia's 'the way its meant to be played' program so it will be playable with 8600gt.

[quan chi]

well hows 8500gt series.

[smit]

it sucks, go with 8600 GT

ok guys here is a trick that will sure cost some image lost but long as the game is not a stealth based or a horror flick it won't really hurt the games image settings, with this settings you can surely play crysis on max settings...


1) this really simple Set AA to 2x(2x is a huge improvment over none) & Shadows to minimum or disable them & everything other max , as long as the game is not a hororr flick or stealth based game, you won't lose anything & if you are a reliasm freak just set the shadows to minimum. i am sure you can run many upcoming games on max settings, as many new games uses soft shadows, real times shadows etc., they are really the perfomance killers , turning them off doesn't hurt that much in most games.

2) overclock your 8600 Gt to

Core clock : - 702 mhz
Shader clock :- 1630 mhz
Memory clock: - 866 Mhz

this is one of the safest overclocking limits for 8600 GT. (688/1612/860 being the safest.)

[sanjay_111]

Since some of the folks here helped me decide - I finally installed 8400 GS on my computer. Like I had mentioned, I reckoned it would suffice for my strat games and I am not much into action games.

Well, game speeds have increased a lot and they look much better.

There is a large number of options in nvidia control panel ! I am still learning which options will work best for me being a newbie to this. Trying different settings and checking in games I am currently playing - Civ IV and COH.

Any tips will be welcome.

[utsav]

how much should be paid for a second hand sapphire radeon 9550SE 128MB AGP.and how much is its performance.Can it run NFS-MW at 1024*768 at max detail.

[naveen_reloaded]

guys really 8600 GT rocks and for me this is like some world as i am for the first time XP this kind of graphics...

awesome..
but the lost planet they gave along with it is not working in XP...
will it or not ..
and how safe can i overclock it .. ihave ntune
i dont get it ..
i had 6200 prev... when i installed the new card i forgot to unistall the prev card..


now when i run the dxdiag it shows the following without the system info`s which i was able to see.

------------------
System Information
------------------
Time of this report: 10/1/2007, 11:06:26
Machine name: CARBON
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_qfe.070227-2300)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: n/a
System Model: n/a
BIOS: n/a
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz
Memory: 1534MB RAM
Page File: 364MB used, 3066MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

i even tried to uninstall and reinstakll the drivers ..
i even have the latest driver "163.71_forceware_winxp_32bit_english_whql"

please do help me

[entrana]

how did u get lost planet with it,

[dOm1naTOr]

@naveen_reloaded
get in safemode nd remove ny drivers. Then install the driver supplied with da card, then update it to 162.xxxx or 163.xxxxx. Also update the DX with Aug 07 Dx updates.

[The_Devil_Himself]

how did u get lost planet with it,
yea I don't think they ship any game with 8600GT.



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[naveen_reloaded]

guys i got the CD of LOST PLANET along with the card ..XFX

more over its a dual layer DVD.. i wasnt able to play as i am having XP installed..

then regarding

System Manufacturer: n/a
System Model: n/a
BIOS: n/a


have anyboddy have any idea ??

please help.. i feel some lag in performance ..i think its due to this drvier problem..

[sagargv]

i dont think it has much to do with lag in performance . best to do a clean install of xp if u're haing lag in performance . do me a favour and post ur 8600GT's temps and the psu u're using ( particularly interested in 12volt rating ) . coz i need to replace my psu and my 8600GT as its overheating . .cant catch that vendor .. . trying..,

[The_Devil_Himself]

guys i got the CD of LOST PLANET along with the card ..XFX

ehh dude where did you purchase the game from.

Regarding your problem do a clean install of xp and see if it works out.And why don't you consider switching over to Vista to harness full power of 8600gt(as it is dx10 compatible).

regards.

[p_d5010]

even i got lost planet dl dvd with my card for free.....new 8600gt buyers r getting it free........gives me 29fps at full settings with motion blur,shadows,filter and fur quality to dx10.........however when i increase res. to 1280, i have to drop shadows to medium and i get 24fps avg............i have o/ced to 702/1620/864