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anandk

30-01-2007, 07:26 PM

s18000rpm

30-01-2007, 07:36 PM

A "+" point for Vista

this is a news/study item hence posted here; mods may if they wish, move it to the fightclub :rolleyes:

:D:D:D

Ankur Gupta

30-01-2007, 08:52 PM

Well time will be great factor in deciding how secure vista is...

gxsaurav

30-01-2007, 09:40 PM

lolz....i can see the future, another thread going to be locked soon

goobimama

31-01-2007, 12:21 AM

Ya... this one's going down for sure. I'll just play spectator... don't want my precious goobimama id to get deleted...

iMav

31-01-2007, 12:24 AM

kya yaar aaplog ban k dar se iss forum ka maza khattam kar rahe ho ....

well im waiting for my 2 good frenz whom i wont name to reply to this fact and then we will see whr this topic is headed

Pathik

31-01-2007, 12:37 AM

lol.. This topic ll mark a new beginning in the ms vs apple war

praka123

31-01-2007, 12:40 AM

:DFuture service packs of Vista makes it virus proof,sturdy Operating System.All Macintosh,BSDs,Linux,Solaris etc users are dumps,they simply are lieing that UNIXens are very stable and virus less(if not virus proof).and there users are !9iots eh?
ZOMG,Vista guys,what about the incorporated DRM digital restrictions management function-do you people all liked that?why there were no one talking about DRM?Is your PC definition ends with Gaming only?:o:o
Macintosh users,you are not l*sers,l*sers are ya u ppl knew :shutup`ed:

all operating systems other than the ones from microsoft are waste,if not we will put such propaganda's and we will make our users fanboys-the gr8 cyborg,father of *BORG*

rajasekharan

31-01-2007, 12:55 AM

Another micro product . Another war . . . Heh ,its just an o.s after all :-). No big thing for me ,if it become success i will just , you know , pirate it ;-). Lol . . Ok , lets start a war ;-). I will choose to be a paladin this time . With piracy as aura . . .;-)

aryayush

31-01-2007, 09:34 AM

Max Caceres, director of product management at Boston-based Core Security Technologies, which develops network- penetration testing software called Core Impact' says that Microsoft Corp. uses more advanced security techniques in Windows Vista than Apple Inc. uses in its operating system. Mac OS X “is still a little immature in terms of security compared to Vista,” he contends.

source : computerworld (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=280586&source=rss_topic17)

this is a news/study item hence posted here; mods may if they wish, move it to the fightclub :rolleyes:

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r168/happyandy/SigBar.gifLOL! :lol: Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Some people think their opinions matter - but they actually don't. Just look at the number of viruses already out there for Windows Vista and it was just released two days ago. Now look at the amount of malware for OS X which was released more than five years ago and has had five major releases - with a sixth one coming soon.

Kiran_tech_mania

31-01-2007, 09:45 AM

LOL! :lol: Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Some people think their opinions matter - but they actually don't. Just look at the number of viruses already out there for Windows Vista and it was just released two days ago. Now look at the amount of malware for OS X which was released more than five years ago and has had five major releases - with a sixth one coming soon.

Hmm..not again! ;)
If Mac is just as common as Windows, there would be "n" number of malwares for it too. Mac is so less popular compared to Windows that hackers are not interested in twisting their brains to that extent. Remember what hapnd to the guy who put his Mac on network and started saying to hack it if possible. It was hacked in just 30 min of time!

kumarmohit

31-01-2007, 10:15 AM

^^ Totally Agree (Even though I do not want to get in a Win vs mac brawl)

But again its too early to comment on security levels of Vista and with OSX 10.5 closing in we might see a clearer picture by the end of 2007...

goobimama

31-01-2007, 11:16 AM

Kiran_tech_mania

31-01-2007, 11:54 AM

Picture this: You are a virus writer. Fresh out of the block. You want to become famous. Would you go ahead and write the 115467th virus for windows? Or the first real one for a Mac?

[...and I said I would just be spectator. Can't help it. Once a Mac fanboy, always a mac fanboy...]

Most of the Virus aren't ment for getting famous! It's for stealing information from the victim's PC. Imagine I would write a virus for Windows. Certainly I am not goin to bla bla to everybody that I am the creator!
Ethical hacking is the way for getting famous. They hack and also let the world know his/her hacking skills. And you are doubting hacking a MAC, think again...As I already said, MAC was hacked with in 30 min in network!

kumarmohit

31-01-2007, 12:40 PM

Picture this: You are a virus writer. Fresh out of the block. You want to become famous.

Virus writing is not going to make anyone famous, it will make him infamous. In special cases it might even land the writer in jail.

gxsaurav

31-01-2007, 01:17 PM

well im waiting for my 2 good frenz whom i wont name to reply to this fact and then we will see whr this topic is headed
:D One is already here, spreading FUD

Just look at the number of viruses already out there for Windows Vista and it was just released two days ago.
We Windows users really don't know of such virus for Vista just after 2 days of relesing. Plz provide the source & name of the viruses out ther for Windows Vista in just 2 days

oh & by the way, i have never sen a virus writer coming in front & telling his name that he made a virus

mail2and

31-01-2007, 01:23 PM

. Remember what hapnd to the guy who put his Mac on network and started saying to hack it if possible. It was hacked in just 30 min of time!

I wouldn't have replied in this thread, till I read this. Did you read anything about it? Go search for it, and read all the facts.

His so called 'Mac hack' experiment was dumped.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=152 Here is an article from the same site that reported the hack.

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2151455/false-hacking-report-prompts Here is a more detailed explanation.

Basically, the guy created user accounts for hackers, enabled shell access, and then asked them to deface a site. It would have been better if he would have given the admin password, too.

No OS is inherently secure, but generally operating systems based on UNIX are considered more secure than the others.

As for people who says hacking/cracking UNIX based OS'' isn't beneficial, have you ever heard of DVD Jon? Do you know how much money he made by cracking DRM?
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:D One is already here, spreading FUD

Do you realize one of your IDs was banned permanently exactly for this reason?
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Virus writing is not going to make anyone famous, it will make him infamous. In special cases it might even land the writer in jail.

So, why do people create Viri for Windows? Or creating Viri for windows will give them a lighter sentence?

rajasekharan

31-01-2007, 02:53 PM

@kumarmohit.....being end up in jail is the new way of getting famous buddy ;)....look at our politicians....:lol:

gxsaurav

31-01-2007, 03:14 PM

well....about time it should be moved to fight club

Here is the FUD

Just look at the number of viruses already out there for Windows Vista and it was just released two days ago.
Again, a post without any source, or info.

Do you realize one of your IDs was banned permanently exactly for this reason?
It's just an ID, what matters is the flow of water (in this case me) & not the size of ocean (post count etc)

iMav

31-01-2007, 03:18 PM

creating viruses makes 1 famous within their circle ... and 1 of the major reasons is windows wide user base ...

picture this ... how many ppl will get affected by a virus on windows and how many will get affected by a virus on mac .... the same is true y does a bomb blast occur at a place where ppl are more and y not at a place whr ppl are less .... the impact
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besides we all know tht thr is no technology tht can be hacked or cracked .... so it wud be a fiction to believe tht the mac or linux cant be hacked ... if the brains start rolling things will happen ... blu-ray is hacked, hd-dvd is hacked almost everything can b hacked ...

mail2and

31-01-2007, 04:58 PM

It's just an ID, what matters is the flow of water (in this case me) & not the size of ocean (post count etc)

I'm sorry but that was more of a warning than a reminder. I would strongly advice you to stay on topic without trying to make witty references toward anybody.

Any more off-topic post will be deleted, and the user warned.

Oh, and as for the quote, don't try making an analogy. Please!

nikhilrao

31-01-2007, 05:18 PM

Oh GOD. Not again. Why are Mac users so intolarant and insecure about their OS ? :mad: Cant we hav some normal discussion here ?

thunderbird.117

31-01-2007, 05:36 PM

HaHA. I wonder which dumb person says vista has better security. A first virus attacked today and more to follow. Oh please no OS is perfect. Even linux can be attacked if it is primary target. Windows is a primary target.

Hands down to microsoft, windows vista and the all the employee of microsoft and MS fans.

Kiran_tech_mania

31-01-2007, 05:46 PM

gxsaurav

31-01-2007, 06:09 PM

A first virus attacked today and more to follow.
just like i asked another membar previously, plz provide the source

Oh GOD. Not again. Why are Mac users so intolarant and insecure about their OS ? :mad: Cant we hav some normal discussion here ?
I really don't understand whatz the problem with Mac users here. Why are they trying to prove that "Its THE Best"?
No use saying it here pal, it won't help. Mac users always have been like this.

I'm sorry but that was more of a warning than a reminder. I would strongly advice you to stay on topic without trying to make witty references toward anybody.

Any more off-topic post will be deleted, and the user warned.
I just asked the source, is it wrong to ask it? How else can I stay the the topic man

thunderbird.117

31-01-2007, 06:32 PM

just like i asked another membar previously, plz provide the source

No use saying it here pal, it won't help. Mac users always have been like this.

I just asked the source, is it wrong to ask it? How else can I stay the the topic man

Yo, Microsoft Fanboy. You seriously do not believe Vista is totally secure crap?. I have to show a source that a virus attacked vista. Lool. Vista just released yesterday once it most used. The source wil be showed.

iMav

31-01-2007, 06:39 PM

hey thunderbird ... u got a source paste it here ... dont shoot arrows in the air ... almost every1 has said tht vista is MS most secure OS till date if not the best ...

mail2and

31-01-2007, 06:50 PM

I really don't understand whatz the problem with Mac users here. Why are they trying to prove that "Its THE Best"? Being Windows user, I can definetly say that it is also not perfect in all aspects. Loop holes are set to rise with time. The same applies to Mac. It's better to be neutral & accept the facts rather than creating a unhealthy environment here. Mac & Windows are created by humans & no doubt that they will break it. It's the matter of popularity. Windows is more popular, hence thousands eying for breaking it. Mac is less popular, so will take considerable time till the loop holes are discovered. Please stop arguements regarding this issue and think maturely.

I know you;re pointing toward me. But, the best thing in life is to actually read into a thing before posting.

You said something.. I corrected you with a news story from the same site, which actually reported the hack.

If you read the last part of my previous post, you would have understood what I meant.

Every OS has its vulnerabilities. It's bound to happen. If it is coded by a man, it can be broken by a man, too. However, till date, *nix based operating systems have proven to be more secure. It's a fact.

However, if you are still trying to prove yourself right, despite being proven wrong, then be my guest.

aryayush

31-01-2007, 06:53 PM

If Mac is just as common as Windows, there would be "n" number of malwares for it too. Mac is so less popular compared to Windows that hackers are not interested in twisting their brains to that extent.OK. I accept what you are saying.
Now, consider this. Mac has a very minimal market share as compared to Windows, right? Therefore, it has NO viruses, while there are millions of viruses for the Windows platform. But then why does the Mac platform have such a sizable number of software available for it? Why isn't it same as the viruses ratio?
The answer: writing software for a Mac is far easier than for Windows and writing viruses for Mac OS X is very difficult as compared to Windows.

Remember what hapnd to the guy who put his Mac on network and started saying to hack it if possible. It was hacked in just 30 min of time!If you give your copy to someone, give him a pen too and then challenge him to scribble on the copy - you cannot do much to prevent your copy even if the pages are waxed!

Most of the Virus aren't ment for getting famous! It's for stealing information from the victim's PC. Imagine I would write a virus for Windows. Certainly I am not goin to bla bla to everybody that I am the creator!Yes, you are. The Australian hacker who wrote the first virus for Windows Vista proclaimed it boldly all over the internet. Even if only few of the virus writers do it for getting famous, why don't they try to write viruses for the Mac? You know what, they do - but they are not successful. Surely you'll agree that writing a virus for the Mac platform would garner huge amounts of attention from all over the world. And every netizen wants that kind of attention - every single one.

Virus writing is not going to make anyone famous, it will make him infamous.There is no such thing as negative publicity.

In special cases it might even land the writer in jail.Oh! And writing viruses for Windows is legally approved by the United States, I suppose!

oh & by the way, i have never sen a virus writer coming in front & telling his name that he made a virusBecause you and I are not important enough. Look around on the internet, however and you'll find that most big viruses are backed by people who claim to have written it.

how many will get affected by a virus on macApple sold 1.6 million Macs the last quarter. Add to that the previously installed base of Macintoshes. Also count the fact that since Mac OS X runs on just a handful of similar configurations, any virus for the Mac platform would, in essence, be omnipotent. So, I suppose that is a sizable amount of Macs that could be affected if a virus were to be released for the platform. I know the number is tiny compared to Windows - but it is large enough to earn a lot of money from. Most Hollywood studios use Macs by the truckload. I can see a lot of money for hackers there.

the same is true y does a bomb blast occur at a place where ppl are more and y not at a place whr ppl are less .... the impactIt was planned for the House of Parliament when there were only about a hundred people there.
Actually, your statement strengthens my case. Evil-doers do it for pleasure too, money is not the sole motive behind creating viruses - like planning a bomb blast somewhere.

Oh GOD. Not again. Why are Mac users so intolarant and insecure about their OS ? :mad: Cant we hav some normal discussion here ?Mac OS X “is still a little immature in terms of security compared to Vista,” he contends.Who is being insecure here? Oh and BTW, this 'analysis' at least proves one thing. Windows XP IS very weak security-wise when compared to Mac OS X, right? You guys cannot deny that now.

I really don't understand whatz the problem with Mac users here. Why are they trying to prove that "Its THE Best"? Being Windows user, I can definetly say that it is also not perfect in all aspects.There is a difference between proclaiming that something is the best and that something is perfect. Yes, I - very proudly - say that Mac OS X is the best operating system there is but it is not perfect. It is miles ahead of Windows, yes but it can be improved a lot more (and Leopard will go several steps in that direction).
And it is not just Mac users who are creating the ruckus. Windows and (in the past) Linux users are involved too. It is just a trend on the internet that if someone speaks in favour of the Mac, label him a Mac 'fanboy' or 'maniac'.

The gist of my post is this: while I do understand that the Mac's strong position of security is largely due to it's being a minority in the computer market, it is also improper to say that it is the sole reason. Macs are inherently more secure than Windows because there are ZERO viruses out there for an operating system that has been out there for six years and had a sales figure of 1.6 million in the last four months combines. Surely there would have been at least about FIVE viruses by now.
And basically, even all this logic is rendered useless by the in-your-face fact that Macs are not prone to viruses while Windows is largely affected by it. Forget the reason and face the fact. Macs are thousand times more secure than Windows and that position isn't going to change anytime soon... if at all! :)

mail2and

31-01-2007, 06:59 PM

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I just asked the source, is it wrong to ask it? How else can I stay the the topic man

I think it is pretty evident from my post that I warned you for trying to intice a flame war with words like 'FUD' etc.
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The answer: writing software for a Mac is far easier than for Windows and writing viruses for Mac OS X is very difficult as compared to Windows.

Actually, the credit for no viri in OS X goes to it's BSD and UNIX base. There were viri for OS 9, so it discounts all the 'less popular' argument, too.

OS 9 was probably the least known Mac OS ever. Yet, it had viri.

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aryayush

31-01-2007, 07:05 PM

Yes, exactly. I know that from all the history I've been reading too. That is why I always mention OS X specifically in my posts.

Plz provide the sourceVista Viruses - The Next Generation (http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn/showpost.aspx?postid=1106356&siteid=1)

The site's URL should prove its authenticity.

Do a little experiment on your Windows Vista. Fire up LimeWire and search for some porn. Download any file that is less than 2 MB in size and open it. There, you already have a virus on a brand new copy of the most expensive version of Windows Vista.

thunderbird.117

31-01-2007, 07:28 PM

hey thunderbird ... u got a source paste it here ... dont shoot arrows in the air ... almost every1 has said tht vista is MS most secure OS till date if not the best ...
And who is that everyone. Post "everyone" source here then. Iam not the one who is shooting the arrows is the air. The one who told me that does that.

gxsaurav

31-01-2007, 07:30 PM

do a little experiment on your Windows Vista. Fire up LimeWire and search for some porn. Download any file that is less than 2 MB in size and open it. There, you already have a virus on a brand new copy of the most expensive version of Windows Vista.
One thing which should be made clear, the virus for Windows XP do not work with Windows Vista. Try running the blaster worm on Vista, it won't affect (personally tried this with Vista RC1). Using limewire & downloading viruses like that won't affect vista, if they are not made for Vista file structure & file system

about the first virus for vista, quoted from the website

[ The virus is an emulated service with a driver attached to the file system as an alternate stream

u have to be an admin first to give such permision to install a system lavel service in vista. It's just like what u said above in case of MacOS X, giving open access to the file, which in this case the user did. He went ahead & installed the virus himself, ok...not his fault, most people lack common sence, but comon....system lavel access via a rootkit, no virus can do it himself.

quote=arya]The Australian hacker who wrote the first virus for Windows Vista proclaimed it boldly all over the internet[/quote]

He wrote a virus, for which version? again, plz provide the source

I admit, obviously, your system will be compromised, if u go ahead & install a virus yourself, i doubt if the user was using Vista RTM

P.S. = Almost a fight section material :D. i m out of here, have to go quite far for north indian dinner

Kiran_tech_mania

31-01-2007, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by mail2and
I know you;re pointing toward me. But, the best thing in life is to actually read into a thing before posting.

You said something.. I corrected you with a news story from the same site, which actually reported the hack.

If you read the last part of my previous post, you would have understood what I meant.

Every OS has its vulnerabilities. It's bound to happen. If it is coded by a man, it can be broken by a man, too. However, till date, *nix based operating systems have proven to be more secure. It's a fact.

However, if you are still trying to prove yourself right, despite being proven wrong, then be my guest.

Well well well.... Hold on before making me a guest here! I couldn't verify the links you have given due to firewall problems in office. Anyways here it goes now...

Did you check the after effect of Apple claim? No. Apple blamed the user for creating multiple user accounts. I agree that it is the stupidist thing to do - as good as giving a password. Mac could have been better protected. But, it will not make any difference as the hacker exploited a vulnerability that has not yet been made public or patched by Apple. The Hacker said that Apple's OS-often touted as more secure than its Windows counterpart -is "easy pickings" when it comes to vulnerabilities and that relatively low marketshare leaves most hackers uninterested in the platform.

The code that Apple uses in its applications and libraries is relatively under-audited, which leaves a lot of low hanging bugs... reports Suresec's Neil Archibald, a researcher. He then adds..

Some of the security vulnerabilities we've seen during research on OS X were fixed on most other operating systems 10 to 15 years ago," said Suresec's Neil Archibald. The company said that as Apple's marketshare grows, malicious users will find and exploit more of the underlying flaws. Apple is slow to fix them after they are found, and doesn't use the right software to preven them in each release, according to the firm.

Some researchers still believe that the 'Old' security flaws still persist in Mac OS X.

Check out these links:

'Old' security flaws persist in Mac OS X (http://www.macnn.com/articles/06/01/25/security.flaws.in.os.x/)

Mac OS X hacker gains control in 30 min (http://www.macnn.com/articles/06/03/06/mac.os.x.compromised/)

I hope aryayush got his answer.

kumarmohit

31-01-2007, 08:19 PM

@aryaayush - I meant Virus writing for any platform not just Windows or Mac or Linux or Symbian or anything else.

mail2and

31-01-2007, 09:45 PM

Well well well.... Hold on before making me a guest here! I couldn't verify the links you have given due to firewall problems in office. Anyways here it goes now...

Did you check the after effect of Apple claim? No. Apple blamed the user for creating multiple user accounts. I agree that it is the stupidist thing to do - as good as giving a password. Mac could have been better protected. But, it will not make any difference as the hacker exploited a vulnerability that has not yet been made public or patched by Apple. The Hacker said that Apple's OS-often touted as more secure than its Windows counterpart -is "easy pickings" when it comes to vulnerabilities and that relatively low marketshare leaves most hackers uninterested in the platform.

Well, I suggest you read this more carefully.
http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2151455/false-hacking-report-prompts

I have always maintained that all platforms are insecure, however this hack attempt was debunked by experts.

I quote:

The University of Wisconsin's challenge provides contestants with a URL for the system that they need to hack.

The system is a Mac Mini running the latest version of OS X as well as all the latest security updates. It has been configured with two local user accounts and has SSH and HTTP open. The latter are not typical settings for an average user, according to Schroeder.

Contestants who claim to have succeeded in hacking the system must provide details about how they breached the security walls, which will be provided to Apple. The winner gets a claim to fame, but no material price.

Why am I not surprised that no one won that particular contest?

There are lots of dumb people in the world. The guy who started the hack contest was one of them.

For the record, it was an independent blog that posted the article, and not Apple.

mediator

31-01-2007, 10:07 PM

Most of the Virus aren't ment for getting famous! It's for stealing information from the victim's PC. Imagine I would write a virus for Windows. Certainly I am not goin to bla bla to everybody that I am the creator!

It seems u r confusing trojans with virii and passive attacks with active attacks! :)

mehulved

31-01-2007, 10:25 PM

iMav

31-01-2007, 10:32 PM

i agree tht its not the popularity only factor leading to trojans and viruses .... but it is an important factor ... creating a trojan for mac will have a small effect as compared to tht for a windows trojan ....

no 1 is saying tht mac/linux are not good ... they are good hence hav stood the test of time ... but saying tht they are unbeatable and saying viuses cant be coded is foolish for any person who has been associated with technology for more than 6 months

mehulved

31-01-2007, 10:39 PM

I haven't seen anyone so far say that Linux/Mac/Solaris/BSD etc are virus proof.

subratabera

31-01-2007, 10:42 PM

Here are some hard facts...

The first confirmed Windows Vista flaw (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2076062,00.asp), a denial-of-service issue that was publicly released on an underground Russian hacker site, is still unpatched (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2081067,00.asp). And, yes, it hits both Vista and older versions of Windows.
The MSRC is expected to issue a formal security advisory with pre-patch workarounds. In the interim, the company is urging customers to enable a firewall, apply all security updates and install anti-virus and anti-spyware protection.

Source (http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5636113048.html)

aryayush

31-01-2007, 11:25 PM

I haven't seen anyone so far say that Linux/Mac/Solaris/BSD etc are virus proof.Exactly. No one, either me or Anand, said that it is virus proof. But it is inherently much more secure than Windows is. It is far easier to create a virus for Windows than for Mac OS X (and even Linux, for that matter).

I hope aryayush got his answer.No, I didn't. First of all, I am not aware of this exploit thing you guys are talking about but after reading mail2and's posts, it is quite clear that the incident does not reflect anything on OS X's security. It was an incredibly stupid thing to do and anyone could have cracked it. Basically, mail2and has debunked whatever you've said thus far. And secondly, finding links to random articles from random people who have some grudge against OS X and go on record saying things against it, evidently backed by research, is not going to prove anything. If Mac OS X really had security holes fixed by Windows 5-10 years ago, wouldn't it have been all over the internet? Wouldn't it have been quoted in every Windows vs. Mac debate? C'mon guys, at least check the authenticity of the sources you refer to.

Apple is slow to fix them after they are found, and doesn't use the right software to preven them in each release, according to the firm.First of all, that firm is craptastic. Second, Apple is slow in fixing bugs, right? The Month of Apple bugs project, in their thirty days, announced four bugs that were directly related to Apple and Apple has already fixed the first one. Apple releases updates to their operating system every three-four months. Microsoft does it in two-three years.

To all those who say that other OS'es don't have viruses, why does symbian, whose userbase is not so large as Windows have viruses, too. OK symbian usage is growing exponentially now, but there have been viruses for it since the time it wasn't so popular.Exactly.

praka123

01-02-2007, 12:37 AM

the main curiousity of windows users about why Linux or Mac not getting affected by Viruses easily can be explained in a single line-these UNIX derived OSes are having a user-file permission system which is RWX(read-write-execute) .and only through any loophole(like setuid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suid)) that it can get a root user power can a so called POC viruses propagate or do its destruction work in UNIXens.while DOS and Windows are inherently insecure,it can at max set a read only permission to prevent a file misuse.

though afaik UNIXens can be affected by worms,not a virus.

UNIX is quite Old nearly 30? years..and it is staying here and will stay tomorrow too.it is its inherent security features that is rocking in 21st century also
To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it:D
We've all heard it many times when a new Microsoft virus comes out. In fact, I've heard it a couple of times this week already. Someone on a mailing list or discussion forum complains about the latest in a long line of Microsoft email viruses or worms and recommends others consider Mac OS X or Linux as a somewhat safer computing platform. In response, another person named, oh, let's call him "Bill," says, basically, "How ridiculous! The only reason Microsoft software is the target of so many viruses is because it is so widely used! Why, if Linux or Mac OS X was as popular as Windows, there would be just as many viruses written for those platforms!"
read more(is a must read for windows/microsoft only users(fanboys):
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/

The short life and hard times of a Linux virus (http://librenix.com/?inode=21)

mail2and

01-02-2007, 01:04 AM

Exactly. No one, either me or Anand, said that it is virus proof. But it is inherently much more secure than Windows is. It is far easier to create a virus for Windows than for Mac OS X (and even Linux, for that matter).

I think GNUrag can explain this bit very nicely. GNU where are you!

Kiran_tech_mania

01-02-2007, 10:58 AM

To all those who say that other OS'es don't have viruses, why does symbian, whose userbase is not so large as Windows have viruses, too. OK symbian usage is growing exponentially now, but there have been viruses for it since the time it wasn't so popular.

Now why did you bring in Symbian issue here? Get your facts right before commenting.

World’s first Symbian OS phone "Ericsson R380" was launched way back in 2000. The first malware "SymbOS/Cabir" for a Symbian OS was seen in June 2004. It was around the same period the Symbian OS occupied a considerable amount of market share. Popularity DOES make a huge difference in development of malwares, may it be Windows or Mac or Linux.

Aryayush & mail2and, hold your horses for a while till I reply to you.

gxsaurav

01-02-2007, 11:48 AM

this thread is still in news section?:confused:

Kiran_tech_mania

01-02-2007, 12:23 PM

No, I didn't. First of all, I am not aware of this exploit thing you guys are talking about but after reading mail2and's posts, it is quite clear that the incident does not reflect anything on OS X's security. It was an incredibly stupid thing to do and anyone could have cracked it. Basically, mail2and has debunked whatever you've said thus far. And secondly, finding links to random articles from random people who have some grudge against OS X and go on record saying things against it, evidently backed by research, is not going to prove anything. If Mac OS X really had security holes fixed by Windows 5-10 years ago, wouldn't it have been all over the internet? Wouldn't it have been quoted in every Windows vs. Mac debate? C'mon guys, at least check the authenticity of the sources you refer to.

First of all, that firm is craptastic. Second, Apple is slow in fixing bugs, right? The Month of Apple bugs project, in their thirty days, announced four bugs that were directly related to Apple and Apple has already fixed the first one. Apple releases updates to their operating system every three-four months. Microsoft does it in two-three years.

See who is making big comments here. A Mac guy who doesn't know the famous hacking issue. This shows how much updated you are in OS knowledge.
It is very easier to dismiss facts as "non-authentic". Anyway, if that was non-authentic for you and mail2and, then take this one from "Secunia". Now don't ask me about "Secunia".

Windows is more secure than you think, and Mac OS X is worse than you ever imagined. That is according to statistics published for the first time in 2004 by Danish security firm Secunia.

The stats, based on a database of security advisories for more than 3,500 products during 2003 and 2004 sheds light on the real security of enterprise applications and operating systems, according to the firm. Each product is broken down into pie charts demonstrating how many, what type and how significant security holes have been in each.

One thing the hard figures have shown is that OS X's reputation as a relatively secure operating system is unwarranted, Secunia said. This year and last year Secunia tallied 36 advisories on security issues with the software, many of them allowing attackers to remotely take over the system - comparable to figures on operating systems such as Windows XP Professional and Red Hat Enterprise Server. "Secunia is now displaying security statistics that will open many eyes, and for some it might be very disturbing news," said Secunia chief executive Niels Henrik Rasmussen. "The myth that Mac OS X is secure, for example, has been exposed."

More info (http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?newsid=1798)

s18000rpm

01-02-2007, 12:27 PM

this thread is still in news section?:confused:

i too wonder why.:D

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6193/userbar324809pb1.gif

gxsaurav

01-02-2007, 12:54 PM

yo S1800RPM how did u made that image bar?

@kiran

Who are u arguing with man, it won't make any difference, don't waste your time, they are not going to understand anything. U got a life man, do other things....arguing with macboys is just waste of time. They say the same thing again & again, get pawned, & then come again with the same old thing. Anything Anti-Apple is war material for them. Just let them post & my advice is that do not reply. It won't make any difference, be happy with what u use.

(issued in public interest)

s18000rpm

01-02-2007, 01:02 PM

i made the first one using "Userbar Generator 2.2"
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/1921/s18kbmwm3gtrot2.png

rest i d/l frm the links given in this thread - SiggyBar/UserBar Creation (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48042)

& created the animated gif usin that s/w

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6193/userbar324809pb1.gif

ax3

01-02-2007, 01:05 PM

nothing is SECURED ............

Kiran_tech_mania

01-02-2007, 01:16 PM

mehulved

01-02-2007, 01:38 PM

Now why did you bring in Symbian issue here? Get your facts right before commenting.

World’s first Symbian OS phone "Ericsson R380" was launched way back in 2000. The first malware "SymbOS/Cabir" for a Symbian OS was seen in June 2004. It was around the same period the Symbian OS occupied a considerable amount of market share. Popularity DOES make a huge difference in development of malwares, may it be Windows or Mac or Linux.
Read my reply again and understand if you can't then forget it. There's no point in explaining it to you cos you surely do selective reading.

rajasekharan

01-02-2007, 01:53 PM

My new o.s "kataboom" the best ever :-). To be released sometime by me :-). Install it and FORGET it ;-). Please include my "kataboom"in this section too :lol:

mail2and

01-02-2007, 03:09 PM

I completely agree with you saurav. Enough is enough. I am fed up of these guys. I see other recent thread which is really against all morals. I simply don't understand them. I know how much frustrated you are (so as I am).

So, simply because you were wrong, and I corrected you, makes me immoral?

I am still waiting for your reply to my post. I've posted the link twice. Here is it, for the third time.

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2151455/false-hacking-report-prompts

BTW, your reply to tech_your_future's posts and his observations proves my point very well. :)

And, oh, please do read this. :)

I've posted it three times now. :)

However, I do understand that conscience and common sense aren't rationed.

I quote:

The University of Wisconsin's challenge provides contestants with a URL for the system that they need to hack.

The system is a Mac Mini running the latest version of OS X as well as all the latest security updates. It has been configured with two local user accounts and has SSH and HTTP open. The latter are not typical settings for an average user, according to Schroeder.

Contestants who claim to have succeeded in hacking the system must provide details about how they breached the security walls, which will be provided to Apple. The winner gets a claim to fame, but no material price.