Sourav Ganguly should be the captain of the Indian Team?

[soumya]

Sourav Ganguly was the best Indian captain ever. Rahul is getting to be the worst. He has no guts and is like Chappel's right hand man. Though it's still premature to say that Sourav should be the captain cause he just came into the team. But I feel that Rahul has no right to be a captain and just helping India's downfall. He is just a good batsman but as a captain he SUCKS big time. What do you guy's say!

[outlaw]

NOT sourav ( atleast not yet)
he was kicked out of the team for a reason ,and he's just back in da team .. so lets wait and see how he performs..

[VD17]

voting for Sourav...
Dravid sucks.. and i dont see anyone else on the horizon...

[soham]

Yes he was kicked out of the team for a reason ---- Cheap Politics.

[rjasthebest]

well ganguly was india,s best captain ever,
i don,t doubt rahul's capability as a player but for a making a successful captain he doesn't have that mind and also the guts which sourav had!!!!!!

[optumsprime]

If India Want 2 Win So Ganguly Should Be The Captain

[webgenius]

yes, Dada should everything from president to drinks carrier except player :)) :))
Nice 1....Looks like we certainly need a change in captaincy since nothing is going our way. Why not try Sehwag as captain for the test series:confused:

[navjotjsingh]

Sehwag as Test Series Captain....hey captaincy is not a joke! Sourav should be made captain....Rahul is a bad bad captain...He is a good player but not a good captain.

[wizrulz]

What all people r saying....

I will support ganguly now....else if do not...people come an give -ve rep....:D

YES GANGULY SHOULD BE MADE CAPTIAN.....

HE IS MOST SUCCESSFULL CAPTIAN

WHAT IF HE CANNOT SCORE RUNS.....HE IS GOOD CAPTIAN

WHAT IF HE CANNOT FEILD PROPERLY...HE IS A GOOD CAPTAIN...

WHAT IF HE CANNOT PLAY ON BOUNCY PITCHES(WHERE NEXT WC IS)...HE IS GOOD CAPTAIN...

WHAT IF HE USES POLITICS IN TEAM...HE IS GOOD CAPTAIN

WHAT IF HIS CONTRIBUTION IS NIL IN INDIAS WIN.....HE IS GOOD CAPTAIN...

bas yaar so many reasons for us to make him captain...y cant the board see all these reason.....IS SOME ONE LAUGHING..no dont....else u will get -ve rep....see now i am supporting ganguly....i am gona get heaps of reps...;)

[webgenius]

Sehwag as Test Series Captain....hey captaincy is not a joke! Sourav should be made captain....Rahul is a bad bad captain...He is a good player but not a good captain.
How can you say Rahul is a bad captain??? When India won 17 matches on a trot chasing, everyone was praising him like anything. Now the same people are discouraging him.

[soham]

hey Wizrulz, are you Greg Chappel in disguise. It seems so . It was he who used politics and put the blame on Saurav. Give me an instance where Saurav used politics. And your last WHAT IF seems to be the biggest joke of the lot. Do you watch any cricket at all? If I may remind you its Sachin who performs well when India doesnt win and not the other way round.

[EagerBeaver]

Sauravganguly plays good politix. He shd leave criket n join politics now.......

[webgenius]

Sauravganguly plays good politix. He shd leave criket n join politics now....... Why are you saying that???

[Arsenal_Gunners]

NICE show by vvs today,same will go for saurav you will see.

[soumya]

What all people r saying....

I will support ganguly now....else if do not...people come an give -ve rep....:D

YES GANGULY SHOULD BE MADE CAPTIAN.....

HE IS MOST SUCCESSFULL CAPTIAN

WHAT IF HE CANNOT SCORE RUNS.....HE IS GOOD CAPTIAN

WHAT IF HE CANNOT FEILD PROPERLY...HE IS A GOOD CAPTAIN...

WHAT IF HE CANNOT PLAY ON BOUNCY PITCHES(WHERE NEXT WC IS)...HE IS GOOD CAPTAIN...

WHAT IF HE USES POLITICS IN TEAM...HE IS GOOD CAPTAIN

WHAT IF HIS CONTRIBUTION IS NIL IN INDIAS WIN.....HE IS GOOD CAPTAIN...

bas yaar so many reasons for us to make him captain...y cant the board see all these reason.....IS SOME ONE LAUGHING..no dont....else u will get -ve rep....see now i am supporting ganguly....i am gona get heaps of reps...;)

You are completely wrong, and here is why!

1) Who in the hell is scoring runs?
2) Who is a good fielder in the team except Kaif and Yuvraj?
3) No Indian batsman can play as good on bouncy pitches like they do in the subcontinent
4) He has never used politics
5) I guess no one is contributing to the Indian team consistently!

[Arsenal_Gunners]

You are completely wrong, and here is why!

1) Who in the hell is scoring runs?
2) Who is a good fielder in the team except Kaif and Yuvraj?
3) No Indian batsman can play as good on bouncy pitches like they do in the subcontinent
4) He has never used politics
5) I guess no one is contributing to the Indian team consistently!

You are right except the 4th point.Remember when he took off his support from uncle dalmiya

[webgenius]

Guys let's stop this fight. No use fighting over this issue and developing bad feelings among ourselves. Anyway all of us know that he wont be the captain in the near future for sure.

[Arsenal_Gunners]

Guys let's stop this fight. No use fighting over this issue and developing bad feelings among ourselves. Anyway all of us know that he wont be the captain in the near future for sure.

That is why the forum is known as FIGHT CLUB....

[aryayush]

But that's no reason to have several topics with different headings discussing essentially the same thing. :mad:

BTW, I don't know about what happens in the dressing room but Rahul Dravid is a good captain on the field. His bowling choices are generally spot-on and he sets up the field well. Plus, being a calm headed and sincere person, he commands the respect of the players in the opponent team and the umpires. When Ganguly was there, on-field scuffles used to escalate and generally resulted in some sort of fine or ban, but you should see Dravid handling matters. Granted, this is a very minor trait and is not directly related to captaincy, but then so are the off-field politics.
The only difference between Dravid and Ganguly is that Ganguly is very bold, while Dravid is humble. But being bold is not necessarily always a good thing either. In my humble opinion, Rahul Dravid is a very good player and captain and is (in most respects) equal to Ganguly, who is an excellent captain too.

[Arsenal_Gunners]

well said, my man.BCCI and local pitches are the culprits for the poor show.

[soham]

Being bold is always necessary, especially at the international level. Just take a look at the aussies. Have you ever found them humble. Yet they are the ones who win matches.

[LegendKiller]

Ganguly was only good at collecting trophies while the work was done by dravid(specially)/kumble/harbhajan/sehwag/tendulkar.

Ganguly has never won a single match on his own atleast in tests.All his major victories in Australia/England/Pakistan were scripted by dravid and co.

I would also not like to have a captain who runs away seeing green-top on the morning of a test,like he did in nagpur in 2004.

And yes,he's more of a politician thats why we seem running buddhadeb bhattacharya for every single reason.He even went to arun jaitely for support.

This time also he's back b'coz CPI-M has put pressure on pawar to include him.

Also Ganguly's record since 2004 is far worser than dravid,which is why our team lost twice to kenya in that period and were at no:8 in rankings..

[Arsenal_Gunners]

I would also not like to have a captain who runs away seeing green-top on the morning of a test,like he did in nagpur in 2004.



lol remember that :-)

[wizrulz]

hey Wizrulz, are you Greg Chappel in disguise. It seems so . It was he who used politics and put the blame on Saurav. Give me an instance where Saurav used politics. And your last WHAT IF seems to be the biggest joke of the lot. Do you watch any cricket at all? If I may remind you its Sachin who performs well when India doesnt win and not the other way round.

Hey taking name is perosnal attack...:D....no just clarifying....MODS told me so...i will not do anything silly like that....;)

Comming to point.....i am not the one just to use words beacause i know them...U wanna see ganguly politics...do not go to far...look recently

A day before TEST team selection.....BENGAL captian...ganguly ........what he does RESIGNS from that post...NOW CAN U EXPLAIN....how he knew a day before that he was gona be selected in in the TEST team???

Have u read his interview with kiran more in TOI....read it...it good for health...laughing re..after reading it....beacause MORE had asked him what made his selection possible(as he had not scored in domestic nor in county)....he had no answer justifying answer :D

[Arsenal_Gunners]

take it the other way soham.india dont win when sachin performs well.(50 from 97) :-)

[LegendKiller]

Hey taking name is perosnal attack...:D....no just clarifying....MODS told me so...i will not do anything silly like that....;)

Comming to point.....i am not the one just to use words beacause i know them...U wanna see ganguly politics...do not go to far...look recently

A day before TEST team selection.....BENGAL captian...ganguly ........what he does RESIGNS from that post...NOW CAN U EXPLAIN....how he knew a day before that he was gona be selected in in the TEST team???

Have u read his interview with kiran more in TOI....read it...it good for health...laughing re..after reading it....beacause MORE had asked him what made his selection possible(as he had not scored in domestic nor in county)....he had no answer justifying answer :D
It really amazes me how sourav ganguly or anyone of his supporters can even justify or ask for his inclusions when even medium pace bowlers can bounce him out..

Yesterday Messiah-1 got out first ball and we will only see a repeat performance from messiah-2 in test

[Arsenal_Gunners]

what about massih-3 i.e. tendu??

[LegendKiller]

what about massih-3 i.e. tendu??
and messiah-4(rahul)

[amd64_man2005]

well i dont kno why peaple are praising rahul so much...my god.Please if it had not been for dada then dravid would been playing for karnataka still....it was dada who brought him back in site of his poor performances..and ya dravid is playing very well recently.his performance in the last few months shows that.:P
And why are u all forgettin our sehwag...lets see xcep for tht 300 over wch he is still eatin away....plz name an innings in wch sehwag has excelled....his marraige to wats-her-name spelt doomsday....;) and i dont remember the name of the captain who steered india to the world cup finals last time...do u???

[LegendKiller]

well i dont kno why peaple are praising rahul so much...my god.Please if it had not been for dada then dravid would been playing for karnataka still....it was dada who brought him back in site of his poor performances..and ya dravid is playing very well recently.his performance in the last few months shows that.:P
And why are u all forgettin our sehwag...lets see xcep for tht 300 over wch he is still eatin away....plz name an innings in wch sehwag has excelled....his marraige to wats-her-name spelt doomsday....;) and i dont remember the name of the captain who steered india to the world cup finals last time...do u???
yeah! you are forgetting he even brought gavaskar in 1971 otherwise he would still be playing for mumbai at 56.

[Dipen01]

Well am the Big Big Sourav Fan.....
Even rite nw...i wanted this team to loose..!! coz this team doesnt deserve it....bcoz of Casual Apporoach..

Well one cant even demand right away captainship to Sourav...coz he has to prove himself now.... so lets wait and watch....

and i feel he is gonna silence his critics...coz wen he ws Captain....he had attitude and overconfidencel.... and now he knows that this is his last chance...its now or never..!! and they guys a good batsman if he comes in his rhythem...no-ones scores 15K runs by fluke..!!

He needs Luck in couple of matches and he'll be 1999-2002 Dada soon..!!

Regarding Dravid i must say....he is the most flawless batsman in our team... rite now....But his approach to captainsy is bad..!! i mean he can handle pressure while he is battin...bt not while he is leading......he goes by the flow....and u can see the pressure on his face...when we are in bad position..!!

wheres DADA we could bank on him..his bowling changes...field placements...His aggression everywhere....no Fear to try anything....and it wuld work also...

So Dravid is probably not the rite person....but as we have no Replacement rite now....Dravid is better...

NO SEHWAG...NO WAY.......cmon... he's Irresponsible Batsman.... He still needs to learn a lot..!! Yuvi.. mite be a good try....wid his talent...!! even hes unavailable...
Kaif no.....He still takes things way ttoooo easy....

So rite now Dravid is d best...and i hope Sourav clicks in Test Series.....;)

[Arsenal_Gunners]

hey i made the point about his marriage first.But it is nice to see that people understand the concept now.It is because of his personal;-) failure(no kids yet) that he is getting bald and is out of form since marriage.
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btw. her name's aarti SEHWAG(poor woman):-(

[LegendKiller]

hey i made the point about his marriage first.But it is nice to see that people understand the concept now.It is because of his personal;-) failure(no kids yet) that he is getting bald and is out of form since marriage.
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btw. her name's aarti SEHWAG(poor woman):-(
well that's not a theory vimal,its a fact..hehe..

what all has happened since then,
1.Baldness
2.Baldness in runs
3.And you know what..

[wizrulz]

here dada is just been selected....dunno if will score runs.....

and now when just a wish of him being selected is been granted ..dada fans want him captian.....thats too much to ask for...even god will not permit ;)

I wonder if he is made captian next....dada fans will say ..when dada retires make him BCCI president....after all he is GOOD LEADER...:D:D:D...or may be INDIAN PRIME MINISTER

[Arsenal_Gunners]

come on viru it have been two and a half years, do somehing(atleast off the field
;-) )
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here dada is just been selected....dunno if will score runs.....

and now when just a wish of him being selected is been granted ..dada fans want him captian.....thats too much to ask for...even god will not permit ;)

I wonder if he is made captian next....dada fans will say ..when dada retires make him BCCI president....after all he is GOOD LEADER...:D:D:D...or may be INDIAN PRIME MINISTER

no it may become reality.The fools will vote him to the pm's post.Then he will outsource greg,and arrest rahul.Harbhajan will be home minister and viru will be Health and family affairs minister ;-) :D :D

[sarandigit]

rahul is a good captain, may not b the best. But the recent failures is due to the players out of form. can u single out any1 person who has been performin consistently since the WI tour? tats our prob? and most of our players are inexperienced. Ganguly can't b made captain bcoz he wont deserve respect. he doesn't bat well. its not necessary to mention his athletic fielding!!!!!!!!! As of now, dravid is the best captain. In the recent ICC awards, he has been named as the captain of the World test team. For ur info, ponting is also the member of the team. But still, Dravid was named the captain.

[Arsenal_Gunners]

i mean i like dravid but do you really go by the icc awards :0

[wizrulz]

You are completely wrong, and here is why!

1) Who in the hell is scoring runs?
2) Who is a good fielder in the team except Kaif and Yuvraj?
3) No Indian batsman can play as good on bouncy pitches like they do in the subcontinent
4) He has never used politics
5) I guess no one is contributing to the Indian team consistently!

1=> opening ur mouth now..what had happened when Dada was not scoring for 2 1/2 year and everybody other scoring and hence winning??

2=> Every one is better than ganguly..even KUMBLE for that matter ..atleast he will give 100% on feild...unlike ganguly

3=> yeah....yet dravid and tendulkar got so many hundreds abroad...i wonder how...might have carried indian pitches there....ya right :D

4=>NO NEED TO EXPLAIN THIS>>EVERYONE KNOWS THE FACT

5=> This situation is for only past 3-4 months not previously....

[Arsenal_Gunners]

lol nice post .i repped it
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btw. what do you think about viru's baldness and poor form at the same time.(and for the same reason perhaps:D)

[LegendKiller]

1=> opening ur mouth now..what had happened when Dada was not scoring for 2 1/2 year and everybody other scoring and hence winning??

2=> Every one is better than ganguly..even KUMBLE for that matter ..atleast he will give 100% on feild...unlike ganguly

3=> yeah....yet dravid and tendulkar got so many hundreds abroad...i wonder how...might have carried indian pitches there....ya right :D

4=>NO NEED TO EXPLAIN THIS>>EVERYONE KNOWS THE FACT

5=> This situation is for only past 3-4 months not previously....
comeon yaar give dada a break!
dada is a role model for everyone.imagine otherwise how can you get back in the team even after not performing??

Also why do you blame dada,if others don't know how to use politicians?
-From mumbai we have pawar in union cabinet,but still sachin/agarkar/jaffer/powar do not know how to seek help
-kaif/raina/r.p singh have mulayam singh,but they also don't seek help.

So,conclusion is that if other players don't know how to do politics than why blame dada?

also you were right,dada will become indian president one-day b'coz of his dynamic leadership!

[Arsenal_Gunners]

i agree that dada is mentally very strong and KEPT TRYING to get back .viru :D learn from dada.

[wizrulz]

There r so many threads running on Dada...so y cant we have all threads merged and topic something like

GAANguly VS others OR

DADA FIGHT CLUB :D :D :D

Because either of it ......if he scores...which will be miracle....or if he doesnt scores ......a new thread is gona be opened ;)...so y not have a DEDICATED thread for GREAT LEADER DADA...:D

[LegendKiller]

There r so many threads running on Dada...so y cant we have all threads merged and topic something like

GAANguly VS others OR

DADA FIGHT CLUB :D :D :D

Because either of it ......if he scores...which will be miracle....or if he doesnt scores ......a new thread is gona be opened ;)...so y not have a DEDICATED thread for GREAT LEADER DADA...:D
correction a different section all together on the forum for our gr8 dada..

[Arsenal_Gunners]

and for unsuccessful VIRU too:D :D.viru and viagra.;-)

[satyamy]

My Vote goes to Sourav...............

[soumya]

the main point is that Ganguly is leading in the polls here!!

[Arsenal_Gunners]

democracy is a rule of fools.in any given number of people, more are fools than intelligent :-)

[LegendKiller]

democracy is a rule of fools.in any given number of people, more are fools than intelligent :-)
yup! moreso,in polls you always find who's more popular rather than who's better..otherwise dacoits like phoolan devi,arun gawli would not have been winning the elections...but IIM/IIT graduates

[Arsenal_Gunners]

ON star news they say 'sandeep ab aap hi batiye ki viru ka ham karen toh kya karen'
sandeep should say 'ek coach ke naate main bas yahi keh saktaa hoon ki use keval ek viagra ki zaroorat hai':D:D:D:D
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HARBHAJAN will be india's captain soon.:D:D

[soumya]

The reason I am supporting Sourav for captaincy is based upon the following points :-

1) He is India's greatest left handed batsman and captain of all times ( Can anybody defy me!)

2) Rahul is just a good player but his captainship prowess is pea-sized. His victories has captain has come against minnows, oppositions having the main player's missing and mostly series on the subcontinent itself. When his bowlers are battered all over the field, he stands in the same position, having an expression like he his having an stomach ache. He doesn't motivate anyone and is an ineffective leader.

3) Sourav has lead this same team in South Africa, on this same pitches to World Cup finals. He has won a series in Pakistan and levelled the Aussies on their home turf.

4) Those who are whining about Sourav being prone to short pitched stuff, I would say that if his records are taken into consideration, then the whole world cannot bowl bouncers ;)

[Apollo]

Did you guys listen to that American-in-a-South-African-kit's advice to the Indian team after their 4-0 whitewash?

"Dig a hole in the ground and bury themselves or spread out bars of soap in the South African dressing room, hoping that they might slip and injure themselves." (Something along these lines - I can't remember his exact verbage)

Pretty funny actually. :D

Dada's inclusion is justified. Choosing him as the captain is not.

[LegendKiller]

no ur spot on soumya.In fact he is better than gary sobers...simply because sobers was just a great all rounder but not a captain.

I fell,just like you,that sourav is the best left-handed batsman of all time ahead Lara,Graeme Pollock,and ofcourse gary sobers..

Thats precisely why we want mods to launch a seperate section dedicated to sourav..

[Arsenal_Gunners]

He cannot be made captain because he is struggling to get back in the team.What the other players will think about that.unfortunately dravid is the only option for captaincy even though he is not aggressive in his thinking.What about kumble as a test captain.he is an intelligent old guy

[wizrulz]

The reason I am supporting Sourav for captaincy is based upon the following points :-

1) He is India's greatest left handed batsman and captain of all times ( Can anybody defy me!)

2) Rahul is just a good player but his captainship prowess is pea-sized. His victories has captain has come against minnows, oppositions having the main player's missing and mostly series on the subcontinent itself. When his bowlers are battered all over the field, he stands in the same position, having an expression like he his having an stomach ache. He doesn't motivate anyone and is an ineffective leader.

3) Sourav has lead this same team in South Africa, on this same pitches to World Cup finals. He has won a series in Pakistan and levelled the Aussies on their home turf.

4) Those who are whining about Sourav being prone to short pitched stuff, I would say that if his records are taken into consideration, then the whole world cannot bowl bouncers ;)

1=>not fully agreed...u can add 'WAS' instead of 'IS' ;)

2=>Totally wrong....does West indies come in sub-continent...i must go and find my geography teacher then...:D

3=>yeah same team with different form...when he could not bring his on form on track...u cannot think that he brought every players form to top notch by his leadership.....????

4=>his form has gone when everybody got to knwo abt his weakness for bouncers.....and result is everybod to see

[Arsenal_Gunners]

man he is inconsistent even in domestic circuit how will he face NTINI.

[soumya]

1=>not fully agreed...u can add 'WAS' instead of 'IS' ;)

2=>Totally wrong....does West indies come in sub-continent...i must go and find my geography teacher then...:D

3=>yeah same team with different form...when he could not bring his on form on track...u cannot think that he brought every players form to top notch by his leadership.....????

4=>his form has gone when everybody got to knwo abt his weakness for bouncers.....and result is everybod to see

I disagree with you :-

1) Most of the players come into the category of ''was''.....like rahul, sehwag, sachin....i mean like rahul ''was'' most consistent, sachin ''was'' the greatest batsman, india ''was'' a good team...etc etc

2) west indian team was a minnow.....their icc ranking shows that! even a ranji team could have beaten them!! ;)

3) a good leader can do wonders and create some sort of motivation by understanding the needs of his subordinates ( i was reading a good mangement book!)

4) everyone's forms have gone..... evryone has weaknesses like rahul is one of the worst odi players in the true sense....a shitty strike rate! sachin has his weakness to a good ball pitched just outside offstump........sehwag is much much weak on his leg side ( his feet doesn't move)

[Arsenal_Gunners]

rahul is still consistent he may not make runs for 5-10 matches but dada and viru failed to score for 2-1/2 years.
saumya please dont be regionalistic.

[soumya]

rahul is still consistent he may not make runs for 5-10 matches but dada and viru failed to score for 2-1/2 years.
saumya please dont be regionalistic.

point noted and edited!

[Arsenal_Gunners]

appreciate it thanks.

[LegendKiller]

I don't buy the fact that dravid is a bad odi player.He has been india's best batsman,both in odi's,for the last 5 years and still is.

He has improved his odi game a lot and even has a 23-ball fifty against new-zealand..his strike-rate is 70.02 against dada's 73.2!!;)

This shows that dravid scores his runs as quickly as dada on almost all occasions..

As for sachin,yes he is not as consistent as in 2003,but he is and will always remain india;s best batsman(and 2nd greatest of all time after bradman and alongwith lara) of all time.8-) ;)

Sachin has 27/35 centuries in test in which india has not lost and 28/40 in odi's in which india has won..total 55 centuries in india's good cause...

Is there anyone who can beat that?i even in next 50 yrs?

Also in current season sachin has done better than everyone with a avg of 40!
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50
11 389 141* 38.90 1 2

[wizrulz]

I disagree with you :-

1) Most of the players come into the category of ''was''.....like rahul, sehwag, sachin....i mean like rahul ''was'' most consistent, sachin ''was'' the greatest batsman, india ''was'' a good team...etc etc

4) everyone's forms have gone..... evryone has weaknesses like rahul is one of the worst odi players in the true sense....a shitty strike rate! sachin has his weakness to a good ball pitched just outside offstump........sehwag is much much weak on his leg side ( his feet doesn't move) .


4=>> A tleast u agree that sachin gets out for GOOD balls unlike dada ;)

1=>> If SACHIN 'WAS' BEST batsman and DADA 'IS' BEST batsman then y i can never read any great things written abt him by an outsider ...apart frm few fellow indians??? i can give so many quotes written abt MASTER BLASTER SACHIN but i hardly find any for dada??

if u want the latest proof read this


BY ALAN DONALD
India doesn’t need to worry about Sachin Tendulkar. He showed on Sunday that he is beginning to find his groove finally. There was more than a glimpse of his true class; he came out wanting to spend time at the crease and a few of his shots were more than a veiled threat to South Africa. The message would not be lost on the hosts.

It would be harsh if his innings is held up as a failure or too slow for the wicket was doing a bit in the morning and it needed a skillful player to survive. He just bided his time with discipline. He rode through the tough period and a few of his shots, be it over extra covers against the spinner or down the ground against Jacques Kallis, bore the hallmark of the little champion. His ability to pick up the length and hit through the line is still uncanny.

Thus there would be more than just a few eyes looking at the four-day game at Potchefstroom with interest. Tendulkar would be watched closely for the master is showing signs of return to form. I am sure he would try to make the most of it, as would be a few other Indian batters, and get ready for the test challenge.

Tendulkar just about is beginning to show why he is everyone’s favourite batsman; his ability to take on the pressure match after match, year after year, and by remaining the fulcrum of Indian batting. He still bears the most responsibility and perhaps rightly so for he has that genius factor which most, including his team-mates, don’t possess.

Best I ever faced

In my several years of international cricket, Tendulkar remains the best batsman I have ever bowled to. It’s been a pleasure to bowl at the master batsman even though one hasn’t always emerged with credit from the engagements. There have been Steve and Mark Waughs; Mike Athertons and Brian Laras, the best of the very best but Tendulkar, to my mind, has been the toughest. He is in different category for unlike the Waugh and Atherton, he is also very pretty to watch.

You do sense a chance against somebody like Lara for he gives you a charge and discretion can get the better of him. The most impressive thing about Tendulkar is his temperament and how quickly he sizes up the length. His eyesight, footwork and the range of strokes all possess the hallmark of a master. No less impressive is the pressure he soaks up for being an icon to masses of humanity in India.

SOURCE=> MUMBAI MIRROR

[LegendKiller]

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4=>> A tleast u agree that sachin gets out for GOOD balls unlike dada ;)

1=>> If SACHIN 'WAS' BEST batsman and DADA 'IS' BEST batsman then y i can never read any great things written abt him by an outsider ...apart frm few fellow indians??? i can give so many quotes written abt MASTER BLASTER SACHIN but i hardly find any for dada??

if u want the latest proof read this



SOURCE=> MUMBAI MIRROR
well i wanted to quote this article here,but i thought there's no need to proof that sachin is best ever batsman,by quoting such articles..

But it's good you did it,we also need to boast around sometimes...atleast of things which everyone knows(whether accepts it or not) is true...

And as for ganguly fans,two things happened simultaneously with dada's ouster last sept(05),
1.Sachin "Was" a good batsman,even though he was "god" till a day earlier,

2.Rahul is a "Chamcha" and can be led away anywhere by chappell like a three year old kid holding his father's hand..

[soumya]

.


4=>> A tleast u agree that sachin gets out for GOOD balls unlike dada ;)

1=>> If SACHIN 'WAS' BEST batsman and DADA 'IS' BEST batsman then y i can never read any great things written abt him by an outsider ...apart frm few fellow indians??? i can give so many quotes written abt MASTER BLASTER SACHIN but i hardly find any for dada??

if u want the latest proof read this



SOURCE=> MUMBAI MIRROR

I am always a bigger fan of Sachin than DADA. yeah, I agree that Sachin ''is'' the greatest batsman, but I would also point out that DADA ''is'' the greatest Indian captain and left handed batsman. Comparing Sachin with Sourav is baseless.

[wizrulz]

I am always a bigger fan of Sachin than DADA. yeah, I agree that Sachin ''is'' the greatest batsman, but I would also point out that DADA ''is'' the greatest Indian captain and left handed batsman. Comparing Sachin with Sourav is baseless.

Good to know that u have agreed that SACHIN and DADA cannot be compared.

But how can u say DADA 'IS' best captain..he is no longer captain..so it will always be 'WAS' as he will now never agian be named captian of INDIAN INTERNATIONAL TEAM ;)

[LegendKiller]

I am always a bigger fan of Sachin than DADA. yeah, I agree that Sachin ''is'' the greatest batsman, but I would also point out that DADA ''is'' the greatest Indian captain and left handed batsman. Comparing Sachin with Sourav is baseless.
Soumya,i can safely say that you are the most fair dada fan i have seen,who willing to understand other's view as well..

[soumya]

Good to know that u have agreed that SACHIN and DADA cannot be compared.

But how can u say DADA 'IS' best captain..he is no longer captain..so it will always be 'WAS' as he will now never agian be named captian of INDIAN INTERNATIONAL TEAM ;)

who the heck are you? Dilip Vengsarkar? i mean you are like Kiran More who had appointed Dravid the captain till 2007 worldcup, without knowing the from he would be in at that point of time!

[wizrulz]

who the heck are you? Dilip Vengsarkar? i mean you are like Kiran More who had appointed Dravid the captain till 2007 worldcup, without knowing the from he would be in at that point of time!

I am suppporter of INDIAN TEAM and SACHIN TENDULKAR....in no matter what form they go thru ...i am gona support them...as i am INDIAN ......

WC captians r always declared a year ahead to buil dteam...no team changes captains ahead of WC...except pakistan....so that was ri8 thing....and who else u think could be made captian....as SACHIN has opted out????

[soumya]

I am suppporter of INDIAN TEAM and SACHIN TENDULKAR....in no matter what form they go thru ...i am gona support them...as i am INDIAN ......

WC captians r always declared a year ahead to buil dteam...no team changes captains ahead of WC...except pakistan....so that was ri8 thing....and who else u think could be made captian....as SACHIN has opted out????

Indian team and Sachin Tendulkar!!! So according to you, Sachin doesn't belong to the Indian team!
Sachin and Dravid have a pea-sized captainship brain. Only DADA can take the responsibility!
__________
Soumya,i can safely say that you are the most fair dada fan i have seen,who willing to understand other's view as well..

thx randy orton ;)

[LegendKiller]

[quote=soumya]Indian team and Sachin Tendulkar!!! So according to you, Sachin doesn't belong to the Indian team!
Sachin and Dravid have a pea-sized captainship brain. Only DADA can take the responsibility!
__________

point taken:rolleyes:,accepted that ganguly was good leader and good motivator,but to praise him you cannot call others "pea-brainers"..

To praise one,you cannot slam another..i hope you understand..;)

[wizrulz]

Indian team and Sachin Tendulkar!!! So according to you, Sachin doesn't belong to the Indian team!
Sachin and Dravid have a pea-sized captainship brain. Only DADA can take the responsibility!
__________


From when i am saying this..please do plan now.....we need great leaders....after Dada retires make him stand for elections....common.....he will make INDIA supper power with his great leadership quality...if hhe can raise 10 players games( and loose own batting poweress :D )....so what...he can raise 100 crore poeple ability and make india a powerfull country....

so start planning now.....retirement is not far off ;)

[soumya]

[quote=soumya]Indian team and Sachin Tendulkar!!! So according to you, Sachin doesn't belong to the Indian team!
Sachin and Dravid have a pea-sized captainship brain. Only DADA can take the responsibility!
__________

point taken:rolleyes:,accepted that ganguly was good leader and good motivator,but to praise him you cannot call others "pea-brainers"..

To praise one,you cannot slam another..i hope you understand..;)

i stand by my statement ( regarding captaicy):))

[LegendKiller]

Thats what you cannot give entire credit to a captain if a team wins..People like dravid/sehwag/kumble/bhajji/sachin have been instrumental in all the key victories for which dada has been credited for...
England-2001:dravid,kaif,sachin,yuvi
Against Aus(2001):Bhajji,kumble
Aus(2003):Sachin,dravid,kumble
Pak(2003):Sehwag,Sachin,Dravid
World-Cup(2003):Sachin&Sachin Only..

Ganguly just use to go and collect trophies...and he hasn't contributed in even one of those,above mentioned,great series in which india did well..

[Arsenal_Gunners]

Thats what you cannot give entire credit to a captain if a team wins..People like dravid/sehwag/kumble/bhajji/sachin have been instrumental in all the key victories for which dada has been credited for...
England-2001:dravid,kaif,sachin,yuvi
Against Aus(2001):Bhajji,kumble
Aus(2003):Sachin,dravid,kumble
Pak(2003):Sehwag,Sachin,Dravid
World-Cup(2003):Sachin&Sachin Only..

Ganguly just use to go and collect trophies...and he hasn't contributed in even one of those,above mentioned,great series in which india did well..

Yep but tell me who should be captain -dravid-best batsman but poor thinker.
tendu-we have seen enough of his captaincy and he himself want to be free of it.
gangu-Nice captain but is struggling to get back in the team.has low respect in the eyes of players.non-performer.
viru-struggling on bed..i mean bat.even stripped of vice captaincy.

IT IS CRISIS
i think vvs will be the standby captain in 1st test.

[Ramakrishnan]

full support to Ganguly. He is the victim of cheap politics.

[Arsenal_Gunners]

full support to Ganguly. He is the victim of cheap politics.

and what he did to dalmiya uncle was graceful politics.

[LegendKiller]

Ganguly's Performance As Captain,In India's Win
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
TEST
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50
21 1298 136 49.92 3 7

Out of the three hundreds above,
1)136-2nd Test v Zim in Ind 2001/02 at Delhi
2)128,3rd Test v Eng in Eng 2002 at Leeds
3)101,1st Test v Zim in Zim 2005/06 at Bulawayo

Wow,2 out of 3 centuries as captain have come against minnows:shock: :shock:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
ODI
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50
76 3359 144 51.67 9 19

Out of which:
1)135,v BD in BD 2000 at Dhaka
2)144,v Zim in Ind 2000/01 at Ahmedabad
3)111,v Ken in SA 2001/02 at Paarl
4)112,World Cup 25 v Nam in SA 2002/03 at Pietermaritzburg
5)107,World Cup Su v Ken in SA 2002/03 at Cape Town
6)111,World Cup SF v Ken in SA

WOW,6 out of 9 centuries as a captain have come against minnows:shock: :shock: :shock:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
This clearly proves what an inspirational leader was ganguly..:D :D
And also who's pea-brainer?(ganguly or his supporters... :D :D

[Arsenal_Gunners]

YEAH-facts afterall.gangu is just like viru in performance.btw.are you online
the whole day

[soumya]

Ganguly's Performance As Captain,In India's Win
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
TEST
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50
21 1298 136 49.92 3 7

Out of the three hundreds above,
1)136-2nd Test v Zim in Ind 2001/02 at Delhi
2)128,3rd Test v Eng in Eng 2002 at Leeds
3)101,1st Test v Zim in Zim 2005/06 at Bulawayo

Wow,2 out of 3 centuries as captain have come against minnows:shock: :shock:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
ODI
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50
76 3359 144 51.67 9 19

Out of which:
1)135,v BD in BD 2000 at Dhaka
2)144,v Zim in Ind 2000/01 at Ahmedabad
3)111,v Ken in SA 2001/02 at Paarl
4)112,World Cup 25 v Nam in SA 2002/03 at Pietermaritzburg
5)107,World Cup Su v Ken in SA 2002/03 at Cape Town
6)111,World Cup SF v Ken in SA

WOW,6 out of 9 centuries as a captain have come against minnows:shock: :shock: :shock:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
This clearly proves what an inspirational leader was ganguly..:D :D
And also who's pea-brainer?(ganguly or his supporters... :D :D

i have never seen anything so dumb! i mean can't you look at his averages.....it's close to 50........you are only considering his centuries ....and you are just blind to the fact that he can get out scoring 99 against Australia and India wins that particular match..........

[Arsenal_Gunners]

subtract his runs against minnows then see what is the new avarage

[LegendKiller]

i have never seen anything so dumb! i mean can't you look at his averages.....it's close to 50........you are only considering his centuries ....and you are just blind to the fact that he can get out scoring 99 against Australia and India wins that particular match.......... There cannot more height of biasness when someone ask to make a player as captain who has not played a single odi in last 1yr and a test-match in 11 months....
i am atleast quoting facts and not using fancy vocab..

[Arsenal_Gunners]

here are some more praises.

Sourav Ganguly's 10 year international cricket career could be easily bisected into 2 halves, the pre and the post Y2K eras. The significance of the year 2000 lies not only in the fact that he became the captain of the Indian team but also in the fact that the ICC introduced the one bouncer per over rule in ODIs starting from that year. This introduction of the rule by the ICC had a negative impact on Sourav Ganguly's batting average, which plunged from a high 45.5 before the year 2000 to a low 34.9 between the 5 year period of 2001-2005[2]. Also, against Test playing nations(which included Zimbabwe and Bangladesh), his overall average plunged further down to 30.66, as did his 'away' average which fell to 29. He managed to score only (6) centuries between 2001-2005, of which 3 centuries were against Kenya & 1 was against Namibia.[3] This sudden drop in his batting average against Test playing nations after 2001 was clearly a result of the short pitch stuff he had to encounter from opposition bowlers. As S.Rajesh, the assistant editor of Cricinfo analyzes, Sourav Ganguly has been dismissed numerous times fending off the short ball[4] since 2001 and his average of 11.92 against the short ball has been the lowest among contemporary Indian batsman who played more than 80 ODI matches. The former captain has also been uncomfortable while attempting the 'pull' and the 'hook' shots when bowlers have dug it in short, often lasting less than five(4.89) balls before being dismissed.


source:- WIKIPEDIA AND CRICINFO

[LegendKiller]

here are some more praises.

Sourav Ganguly's 10 year international cricket career could be easily bisected into 2 halves, the pre and the post Y2K eras. The significance of the year 2000 lies not only in the fact that he became the captain of the Indian team but also in the fact that the ICC introduced the one bouncer per over rule in ODIs starting from that year. This introduction of the rule by the ICC had a negative impact on Sourav Ganguly's batting average, which plunged from a high 45.5 before the year 2000 to a low 34.9 between the 5 year period of 2001-2005[2]. Also, against Test playing nations(which included Zimbabwe and Bangladesh), his overall average plunged further down to 30.66, as did his 'away' average which fell to 29. He managed to score only (6) centuries between 2001-2005, of which 3 centuries were against Kenya & 1 was against Namibia.[3] This sudden drop in his batting average against Test playing nations after 2001 was clearly a result of the short pitch stuff he had to encounter from opposition bowlers. As S.Rajesh, the assistant editor of Cricinfo analyzes, Sourav Ganguly has been dismissed numerous times fending off the short ball[4] since 2001 and his average of 11.92 against the short ball has been the lowest among contemporary Indian batsman who played more than 80 ODI matches. The former captain has also been uncomfortable while attempting the 'pull' and the 'hook' shots when bowlers have dug it in short, often lasting less than five(4.89) balls before being dismissed.


source:- WIKIPEDIA AND CRICINFO
I think you don't need a better proof than that and i am saving ur post for future reference and +ve rep from my side..

[Arsenal_Gunners]

another legend killed :D

[soumya]

another legend killed :D

this is what wikipedia has to say abt dravid's captaincy!

Rahul Dravid has had a mixed record when leading India in Tests. India lost the Karachi Test in 2006, giving Pakistan the series 1-0. In March 2006, India lost the Mumbai Test, giving England its first Test victory in India since 1985, enabling Flintoff's men to draw the series 1-1. While the loss in Karachi could be put down to several Indian batsmen playing badly, the defeat in Mumbai was arguably the result of Dravid's decision to bowl first on a flat dry pitch which later deteriorated and ended with an Indian collapse in the run chase.


After India failed to qualify for the Finals of the DLF Cup, Indian skipper Rahul Dravid was criticised by former all-rounder Ravi Shastri who said that he was not assertive enough and let Greg Chappell make too many decisionsWhen asked for a response, Dravid said that Shastri, while a 'fair critic', was 'not privy' to the internal decision-making process of the team

[Arsenal_Gunners]

you missed the point dude.We all agree that rahul is not a good captain and saurav is a very good at leading.But the point we are trying prove is that to be in the team you must contribute with bat and rahul has the highest test avarage for any indian batsman in the history.

[soumya]

Ganguly vis-a-vis Dravid as captain in ODIs


Captaincy record Mts Won Lost NR Won% Lost%
Ganguly 146 76 65 5 52.05 44.52
Dravid 53 27 23 3 50.94 43.39
Ganguly(53 matches)53 27 26 0 50.94 49.06


Performance with the bat: Mts Inns NO Runs Hs Avg SR 100 50 0
Ganguly 146 142 11 5082 144 38.79 76.59 11 30 9
Dravid 53 52 7 1823 105 40.51 72.97 2 16 3
Ganguly after 53 matches 53 52 5 2199 144 46.79 77.78 7 12 2

Source: rediff.com

[Arsenal_Gunners]

whoa nice point but it is before ganguly's 2-1/2 year demise


oops you forget this
Performance with the bat:
Tests Inns NO Runs Hs Avg sR 100 50 0
Ganguly 49 75 7 2561 144 37.66 50.75 5 13 4
Dravid 17 30 5 1293 146 51.72 40.70 3 8 1
Ganguly 17 28 4 688 98 28.67 48.18 0 3 2
after 17 games.

dont forget he has been selected for tests

Source:rediff.com(the next page to odi record):D

[digitized]

here are some more praises.

Sourav Ganguly's 10 year international cricket career could be easily bisected into 2 halves, the pre and the post Y2K eras. The significance of the year 2000 lies not only in the fact that he became the captain of the Indian team but also in the fact that the ICC introduced the one bouncer per over rule in ODIs starting from that year. This introduction of the rule by the ICC had a negative impact on Sourav Ganguly's batting average, which plunged from a high 45.5 before the year 2000 to a low 34.9 between the 5 year period of 2001-2005[2]. Also, against Test playing nations(which included Zimbabwe and Bangladesh), his overall average plunged further down to 30.66, as did his 'away' average which fell to 29. He managed to score only (6) centuries between 2001-2005, of which 3 centuries were against Kenya & 1 was against Namibia.[3] This sudden drop in his batting average against Test playing nations after 2001 was clearly a result of the short pitch stuff he had to encounter from opposition bowlers. As S.Rajesh, the assistant editor of Cricinfo analyzes, Sourav Ganguly has been dismissed numerous times fending off the short ball[4] since 2001 and his average of 11.92 against the short ball has been the lowest among contemporary Indian batsman who played more than 80 ODI matches. The former captain has also been uncomfortable while attempting the 'pull' and the 'hook' shots when bowlers have dug it in short, often lasting less than five(4.89) balls before being dismissed.


source:- WIKIPEDIA AND CRICINFO

Source: www.greatbong.net

1) Coming to Cricinfo…its an interesting story. When they started targetting Bengali journalists back in 2004 for relentlessly backing Saurav, the accusation was valid. Saurav was like a golden goose on whom the sales of dailies depended. But as you (GB) raised, why were they so peeved that they were backing Saurav. The answer was simple…Ganguly didnt give two hoots to Cricinfo. But Cricinfo’s writers have shown their true colors and alleigances after Dravid’s bad patch. ….I mean…after their allegations they sounded like …”We are high priests of journalism…fearing or favouring none…expect nothing short of objective reporting from us”. That mask has long been swept away …..the Cricinfo- Dravid- Chappell threesome pointed out by GB with customary insightful perspicaciousness….also say minor everyday stuff like turning a blind eye to say stuff like Dravid’s tactical errors after having SA on ropes at Newlands…the match report would have been radically different if you swapped SG and RD as captains.

That brings to the question as to what makes say a Dileep Premachandar or a Anand Vasu’s opinion so heavily discussed compared to say some ever changing TOI correspondent or an IE journalist. The reason is visibility or exposure. Most people outside India who dont see live cricket depend on the speed of the internet to gather their views on what they missed. So they read the bulletins and the “verdicts” and try to visualise what happened on the field. Cricinfo has very slyly carried out a ‘Dravid and Chappell is God” agenda and given a rather distorted (but successful) view of Ganguly is the root of all evil theory. Now whether thats fair or not is another question…but a regular reader knows what these guys are gonna say even before they read the report. Do you read match reports if u see a match telecast…I dont…unless its a great journo or an expert. But Cricinfo is here to stay and so are these men….in a world of outsourcing….the Andrew Millers are slowly gonna be replaced by the new Indian kids …in fact so much so that I seriously think that Jenny Thompson should seriously consider marrying one of these newbies to ensure a long career at Cricinfo. It is upto the reader therefore for discernment when choosing what to read and what not to when reading Cricinfo. I listen to Ian Chappell’s podcast 3 times a day but never go near a Tim De Lisle blog. You decide what you wanna read…but always judge for yourself. There are plenty of websites online which show cricket…and even more which show highlights.

Notice the tone now….”are you trying to say they are not trying their best? ” when Dravid is under the cosh; in stark contrast to the adding-fuel-to-the-fire reports when Ganguly was suffering. Now the roles of the sycophant and the objective person has been reversed in a strange twist of irony.

India always performs badly in SA true….but never this bad in odi’s. I fondly remember the polishings that Sachin, Dravid, Azhar and even the man- who-cant play-fast bowling leftie to bowlers like Pollock or Ntini. Sure we lost….but the batters out there didnt look as impotent as most of them out there now. So let unruly fan behaviour obfuscate the fact that Chappell has achieved very little in his tenure. Criticism is therefore inevitable..especially when its due. You backed a bunch of young players who didnt perform…the tactics didnt come off…unimaginiative captaincy…all these are to be seen. Why should therefore Chappell or Dravid be above criticism ..even if criticism just like “verdicts” dont serve any purpose? I only pray from a WC point of view (as Chappell is immovable till March 2007) India with or without any particular player turns things around from here. Otherwise…its back to square one.

“Kuch to log kahenge,
Logon ka kaam hain kahena,
Choro bekar ki baaton main
Kaheen beet na jaaye Suresh Raina.”

Lol…made my day.

2) I have seen so many instances of Cricinfo’s double standards I have lost count. When Ganguly made his (brief) comeback in Pakistan, they claimed that to accomodate him Dravid had to open the innings, but he got out cheaply & so we lost. Some months later when Dravid opens the innings in ODI’s & we lose, there is not a mention of anything being wrong with that strategy. Why, when India lost to Pak in Bangalore, Cricinfo’s theory was that having someone like Ganguly in the team made all the other batsmen impotent since there was too much pressure on them to succeed. Umm, what about Tendulkar & his failures? India wins the toss in a turning pitch & let’s England bat in Bombay & we get wiped out by what by then has become their second 11. But does Cricinfo criticize Dravid’s stupidity in chosing to field? Then again when Chappell flips a bird to the Calcutta spectators & then brazens it out, Cricinfo doesn’t mind. After all it’s not Ganguly getting into pangas with match referies for slow over rates…

To me Cricinfo has lost all credibility as a trustworthy, independant news source. Unfortunately, I then have to depend on the desi papers for Indian cricket, & they are as bad. At least the Cricinfo guys have their grammar & composition fundas correct!

[wizrulz]

All those who r SINGING praises of dada's captaincy .......have a look ...and stop ..do not use that agian

RECORDS FOR 1st 50 ODI's

COACHES--------M W L NR
UNDER CHAPPEL----50 26 22 2
UNDER WRIGHT-----50 29 20 1

CAPTAINCY
DRAVID-------------54 27 24 3 Winning %=50.0
GANGULY----------147 76 66 5 Winning %=51.7

SOURCE: TOI

SO how is ganguly better than DRAVID?????:D :D :D :D :D

Really baffles me by height of biasness :x

[Arsenal_Gunners]

Source: www.greatbong.net

1) Coming to Cricinfo…its an interesting story. When they started targetting Bengali journalists back in 2004 for relentlessly backing Saurav, the accusation was valid. Saurav was like a golden goose on whom the sales of dailies depended. But as you (GB) raised, why were they so peeved that they were backing Saurav. The answer was simple…Ganguly didnt give two hoots to Cricinfo. But Cricinfo’s writers have shown their true colors and alleigances after Dravid’s bad patch. ….I mean…after their allegations they sounded like …”We are high priests of journalism…fearing or favouring none…expect nothing short of objective reporting from us”. That mask has long been swept away …..the Cricinfo- Dravid- Chappell threesome pointed out by GB with customary insightful perspicaciousness….also say minor everyday stuff like turning a blind eye to say stuff like Dravid’s tactical errors after having SA on ropes at Newlands…the match report would have been radically different if you swapped SG and RD as captains.

That brings to the question as to what makes say a Dileep Premachandar or a Anand Vasu’s opinion so heavily discussed compared to say some ever changing TOI correspondent or an IE journalist. The reason is visibility or exposure. Most people outside India who dont see live cricket depend on the speed of the internet to gather their views on what they missed. So they read the bulletins and the “verdicts” and try to visualise what happened on the field. Cricinfo has very slyly carried out a ‘Dravid and Chappell is God” agenda and given a rather distorted (but successful) view of Ganguly is the root of all evil theory. Now whether thats fair or not is another question…but a regular reader knows what these guys are gonna say even before they read the report. Do you read match reports if u see a match telecast…I dont…unless its a great journo or an expert. But Cricinfo is here to stay and so are these men….in a world of outsourcing….the Andrew Millers are slowly gonna be replaced by the new Indian kids …in fact so much so that I seriously think that Jenny Thompson should seriously consider marrying one of these newbies to ensure a long career at Cricinfo. It is upto the reader therefore for discernment when choosing what to read and what not to when reading Cricinfo. I listen to Ian Chappell’s podcast 3 times a day but never go near a Tim De Lisle blog. You decide what you wanna read…but always judge for yourself. There are plenty of websites online which show cricket…and even more which show highlights.

Notice the tone now….”are you trying to say they are not trying their best? ” when Dravid is under the cosh; in stark contrast to the adding-fuel-to-the-fire reports when Ganguly was suffering. Now the roles of the sycophant and the objective person has been reversed in a strange twist of irony.

India always performs badly in SA true….but never this bad in odi’s. I fondly remember the polishings that Sachin, Dravid, Azhar and even the man- who-cant play-fast bowling leftie to bowlers like Pollock or Ntini. Sure we lost….but the batters out there didnt look as impotent as most of them out there now. So let unruly fan behaviour obfuscate the fact that Chappell has achieved very little in his tenure. Criticism is therefore inevitable..especially when its due. You backed a bunch of young players who didnt perform…the tactics didnt come off…unimaginiative captaincy…all these are to be seen. Why should therefore Chappell or Dravid be above criticism ..even if criticism just like “verdicts” dont serve any purpose? I only pray from a WC point of view (as Chappell is immovable till March 2007) India with or without any particular player turns things around from here. Otherwise…its back to square one.

“Kuch to log kahenge,
Logon ka kaam hain kahena,
Choro bekar ki baaton main
Kaheen beet na jaaye Suresh Raina.”

Lol…made my day.

2) I have seen so many instances of Cricinfo’s double standards I have lost count. When Ganguly made his (brief) comeback in Pakistan, they claimed that to accomodate him Dravid had to open the innings, but he got out cheaply & so we lost. Some months later when Dravid opens the innings in ODI’s & we lose, there is not a mention of anything being wrong with that strategy. Why, when India lost to Pak in Bangalore, Cricinfo’s theory was that having someone like Ganguly in the team made all the other batsmen impotent since there was too much pressure on them to succeed. Umm, what about Tendulkar & his failures? India wins the toss in a turning pitch & let’s England bat in Bombay & we get wiped out by what by then has become their second 11. But does Cricinfo criticize Dravid’s stupidity in chosing to field? Then again when Chappell flips a bird to the Calcutta spectators & then brazens it out, Cricinfo doesn’t mind. After all it’s not Ganguly getting into pangas with match referies for slow over rates…

To me Cricinfo has lost all credibility as a trustworthy, independant news source. Unfortunately, I then have to depend on the desi papers for Indian cricket, & they are as bad. At least the Cricinfo guys have their grammar & composition fundas correct!


so they used some fancy words and you quoted them right.OK cricinfo's writers may be biased but THE FACTS ARE FACTS.

[LegendKiller]

so they used some fancy words and you quoted them right.OK cricinfo's writers may be biased but THE FACTS ARE FACTS. Are you telling me that you read the whole page??
u need to perform as a player first than only can imagine to be a captain..

[soham]

Are you telling me that you read the whole page??
u need to perform as a player first than only can imagine to be a captain..

And he did. I think action speaks louder than words. Now see even after returning to the team after such a long gap, he still managed to score the highest amongst the indians.

[amd64_man2005]

fine men...

we heard ur stupid comments against dada....

nw please stop...

well today in a warm up match....i guess u kno...against South africa A....the one agaist india lost a few days back...someone named saurav ganguly scored an 83....and mr sehwag and sahin were gone for 0 and 10 respectively....so it doesnt really matter wat peaple say...dada speaks for himself...and others who speak against dada after he has proved himself are ________ ...i wont use the term...jus fill in the blanks...

[~Phenom~]

DADA will always remain dada .
KUDOS to u dada.

[digitized]

fine men...

we heard ur stupid comments against dada....

nw please stop...

well today in a warm up match....i guess u kno...against South africa A....the one agaist india lost a few days back...someone named saurav ganguly scored an 83....and mr sehwag and sahin were gone for 0 and 10 respectively....so it doesnt really matter wat peaple say...dada speaks for himself...and others who speak against dada after he has proved himself are ________ ...i wont use the term...jus fill in the blanks...

sehwag 0 jaffer 0 sachin 10 laxman 23 dhoni 6

Sourav 83

:D:D:D

[wizrulz]

ALL SUPPORTERS OF DADA....its happy time for u ...alas dada scored...which he didnt do for such along time....so be happy ...as these moments might be few...so learn to enjoy small achivements... ...:D :D :D

[LegendKiller]

Hehehe..:D:D:D Pathan top scored for india with 111 not out and even bhajji scored a fifty...

If people are judging a player by his performance today..then i think pathan not only out scored our "Sorrow" gone-guly(dada,if u call him),but played better than him...:lol::lol:

Also i think this stupid attack did not excite the "legendary" sachin too much and thus decided to give the "wannabe" batsman(s) like sourav/pathan/bhajji to make some runs&name for themselves..:D:D

Also seeing dada's standard in recent times,i don't blame the media and his fans,only happy to see him score against a "B" side..coz they also know,in their hearts,what to expect from "sorrow"..

[digitized]

Haha, Sachin can't even score against a "B" side.:D:D:D

[wizrulz]

Hehehe..:D:D:D Pathan top scored for india with 111 not out and even bhajji scored a fifty...

If people are judging a player by his performance today..then i think pathan not only out scored our "Sorrow" gone-guly(dada,if u call him),but played better than him...:lol::lol:

Also i think this stupid attack did not excite the "legendary" sachin too much and thus decided the "wannabes" like sourav to make some name for themselves..:D:D

Also seeing dada's standard in recent times,i don't blame the media and his fans,only happy to see him score against a "B" side..coz they also know,in their hearts,what to expect from "sorrow"..

excellent!!!!

Now i guess PATHAN is best left hander INDIA ever produced as he out scoring dada......this the yard stick na dada supporters r using...so it is correct....:D :D :D

[VD17]

lol.. all those are just so pathetic lame excuses...
its sad sachin and company couldnt even score well against a 'B' team.. man.. how pathetic is that??!! lol.. goes to show what the BRAND NEW *AD-ORIENTED* SACHIN TENDULKAR & CO. our cricket team possesses.

heh.. whats even more amusing to see is sachin fanboys going blah-blah-blah over his evident miserable performance.

[Arsenal_Gunners]

i must say dada played well.AND viru is still unsuccessful on and off the field :D:D.greg and dravid give him some tips :D:D:D

[soumya]

Hehehe..:D:D:D Pathan top scored for india with 111 not out and even bhajji scored a fifty...

If people are judging a player by his performance today..then i think pathan not only out scored our "Sorrow" gone-guly(dada,if u call him),but played better than him...:lol::lol:

Also i think this stupid attack did not excite the "legendary" sachin too much and thus decided to give the "wannabe" batsman(s) like sourav/pathan/bhajji to make some runs&name for themselves..:D:D

Also seeing dada's standard in recent times,i don't blame the media and his fans,only happy to see him score against a "B" side..coz they also know,in their hearts,what to expect from "sorrow"..

r u in south africa........if not, then how r u telling that Pathan played better than Sourav, sitting here in India. But articles over the whole www beg to differ........Even Sourav hater's favorite site (cricinfo).....Bhajji scored a fifty????? i guess u r suffering from amnesia!!!!
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excellent!!!!

Now i guess PATHAN is best left hander INDIA ever produced as he out scoring dada......this the yard stick na dada supporters r using...so it is correct....:D :D :D

AND..............Pathan is a bigger batsman than Sachin Tendulkar...........if i may add ;)

[wizrulz]

r u in south africa........if not, then how r u telling that Pathan played better than Sourav, sitting here in India. But honestly articles over the whole www beg to differ........Bhajji scored a fifty????? i guess u r suffering from amnesia!!!!

R u in SA to negate him???

A century is always better than 50 .....so obviously he must have played well....and if he can score 100 that means ...ater initial 1.30 min the wicket must have become wasy..so do not hatch your eggs now.wait for dada to score against SA...he has to prove a point and not GREAT.....SACHIN
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r u in south africa........if not, then how r u telling that Pathan played better than Sourav, sitting here in India. But articles over the whole www beg to differ........Even Sourav hater's favorite site (cricinfo).....Bhajji scored a fifty????? i guess u r suffering from amnesia!!!!
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AND..............Pathan is a bigger batsman than Sachin Tendulkar...........if i may add ;)

U can really add that....that speaks how well u know cricket and how biased a person can get.... :D :D :D

by u saying nothing is gona change...records r there for everone to see....
LONG LIVE GREATEST BATSMAN OF THIS ERA..SACHIN :D

[soumya]

R u in SA to negate him???

A century is always better than 50 .....so obviously he must have played well....and if he can score 100 that means ...ater initial 1.30 min the wicket must have become wasy..so do not hatch your eggs now.wait for dada to score against SA...he has to prove a point and not GREAT.....SACHIN

Ha ha ha.........I guess you have never played cricket...........I mean if your concept is like scoring more runs means playing better or to be precise.......scoring 28 runs more..........you need to get ur basics straight!!

[wizrulz]

Ha ha ha.........I guess you have never played cricket...........I mean if your concept is like scoring more runs means playing better or to be precise.......scoring 28 runs more..........you need to get ur basics straight!!

i have already said ........be happy..learn to enjoy smaller moments..as they will be few.......lets talk on frm 15th dec....till that time enjoy....:D

[soumya]

i have already said ........be happy..learn to enjoy smaller moments..as they will be few.......lets talk on frm 15th dec....till that time enjoy....:D

CHEERS! :)

[Arsenal_Gunners]

i have already said ........be happy..learn to enjoy smaller moments..as they will be few.......lets talk on frm 15th dec....till that time enjoy....:D
lol wizrules you are too much.atleast the poor guy scored.and the best guy is rahul not tendu.

[~Phenom~]

sachin is now just a burden on team. He should retire now , else he will be thrown out. he is just in team because of what he has done in past and not coz of his present . For all to know , mostly whenever sachin scored , India lost quite in contrast to Lara who make Windies win , whenever he scores.

Dravid is my all time favorite , I love his temperament , strokes , cool attitude and just everything about him. he is reliable WALL.

Ganguly has been the greatest captain ever for india and sachin could never take the pressure of captaincy.

[reddick]

I fink 'Sharad Pawar' must b d captain ;) He's fit n very fast while playing :lol:

[reddragon]

whatever u say........ at least Sourav comebacks well everytime . If he didnt score yesterday , then today Greg would turn GOD . But SG added a new twist .

[LegendKiller]

sachin is now just a burden on team. He should retire now , else he will be thrown out. he is just in team because of what he has done in past and not coz of his present . For all to know , mostly whenever sachin scored , India lost quite in contrast to Lara who make Windies win , whenever he scores.

Dravid is my all time favorite , I love his temperament , strokes , cool attitude and just everything about him. he is reliable WALL.

Ganguly has been the greatest captain ever for india and sachin could never take the pressure of captaincy.
Thats quite an observation i might say...when was the last time you checked ur stats....hmmm in 1990?
Sachin has 50+ centuries in india's good cause...28 centuries in odi's in which india has won,how many centuries has lara scored in odi's...hmmm 19 i think...so i believe 28(40)>19..

Also,i told ya na...this practise match is for "Wannabe" batsman like sourav/pathan/bhajji and not for greats like sachin/dravid/laxman..
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To be precise,lara has scored just 16 centuries in odi;s to enable WI's win against sachin's 28..

Also,plzzz don't get all-time greats like lara/sachin/gavaskar/and even dravid to defend a "Wannabe" batsman like Sorrow Gone-guly(or,sourav ganguly if u please)

His(dada's) batting his fit to be compared with like's of pathan/dhoni nowadays...

And what amuses me greatly...just a sec..:roll::roll::roll::D:D..is that people have such a high expectancy from sourav that they r happy with a fifty against a "B" side..

And i m pretty sure such a silly match didn't excite the "great" sachin very much..so he gave an oppurtunity to the novices like dada/pathan..:wink:

[jrkraj]

i think still rahul is the best bcz he is a team person ready to do any thing for team . he is not like other members of team

[wizrulz]

Ganguly has been the greatest captain ever for india and sachin could never take the pressure of captaincy.

All those who r SINGING praises of dada's captaincy .......have a look ...and stop ..do not use that agian

RECORDS FOR 1st 50 ODI's

COACHES-----------M W L NR
UNDER CHAPPEL----50 26 22 2
UNDER WRIGHT-----50 29 20 1

CAPTAINCY
DRAVID-------------54 27 24 3 Winning %=50.0
GANGULY----------147 76 66 5 Winning %=51.7

SOURCE: TOI


Can u tell me how is Dada better than Dravid...give dravid time...and if dada was GREAT CAPTAIN....how india lost in every final??? (except NATWEST)...

did he used to forget his captaincy in finals???:D :D :D :D

[LegendKiller]

also how on earth can you compare 5.5 yr reign to a 1.5 yr reign?

Also,all this hungama about dravid's captaincy have been done with a political intent in mind by media people who probably have been sold out to our wealty dada..

Also dada's captaincy record is because of mainly dravid/kumble.sachin/sehwag/bhajji etc etc...otherwise in my earlier post i have clear;y mentioned dada's contribution in india's win as a captain..

[amd64_man2005]

okay so can anyone bring out dadas record in the first 1.5 years of his captaincy...lets see how he compares with dravid...

[tuxfan]

Ganguly has better leadership qualities so my vote goes to Ganguly :)

[wizrulz]

OK. So stupid attacks doesnt excite Sachin and he doesnt score runs against them. I can live with that. It sometimes happens with great players. But what about crunch situations?
Sachin fails to motivate himself in less important matches (according to you), but he is also a chocker. When the big game (finals) comes, he just chokes and fails to perform. Since, that century against Australia in Sharjah, his performance in cruicial matches has been terrible. Yes, he is still a better batsman than Sourav and Sehwag, but he needs to start performing now. Every player needs to proove himself, even if its Sachin. He will have to be dropped if he continues to do badly.

You are totally out of your minds. Clubbing the likes of Pathan and Harbhajan with Sourav? I dont need to say anything more.

I will not take dada's record into account...thats ur work as ur his fan...i will give u record of batsemen whom i and world rate highly......;)

ODI

Won Chasing Target

Sachin- 101 4397 134 58.62 13 23

Dravid- 72 2124 109* 49.39 2 19

Ponting- 77 2670 124* 53.40 4 17



In Quater Finals

Sachin- 3 210 141 70.00 1 0

Dravid- 2 57 48 28.50 0 0

Ponting- 3 118 46 39.33 0 0



In Semi Finals

Sachin- 7 232 83 33.14 0 2

Dravid- 4 28 58 42.66 0 1

Ponting-5 71 37 14.20 0 0



In Finals

Sachin - 36 1487 134 47.96 4 9

Dravid- 23 690 103* 34.50 1 3

Ponting- 33 1217 140* 45.07 2 6



All Finals

Sachin- 47 1954 141 46.52 5 11

Dravid- 30 943 103* 37.72 1 5

Ponting- 41 1406 140* 40.17 2 6



In Series Won

Sachin- 127 5548 186* 51.37 19 26

Dravid- 76 2645 153 42.66 2 22

Ponting- 177 7245 145 47.98 18 45





In Test

100's in Tests India Won - 12

100's in Tests India Lost - 8

100's in Test Drawn - 15



Holds the record of maxium number of 100's for loosing team...That means a lone warrior..Thats why once Indian Cricket Team was called as ONE MAN ARMY!!!!


Often said Sachin gets fail at crunch situation...Well 1st we must admit that when Sachin on the crease Win is sure...As soon Sachin gets out..the situation becomes crunchy!!! Sachin is out,now who will win match for us?? No one sure who will win match for them...

So bcoz of this thing Teams targets Sachin as the most precious wicket...

Nasser Hussain introduced Negative lines for Sachin Tendulkar to stop the flow of runs when he is on wicket!!!

Local umpires also involved some times to help their team against Sachin Tendulkar,espeically Australians!

Some incidents striking in my mind...I think Sachin is the player who got out maximum numbers of times bcoz of bad or wrong decision by Umpires..I m producing those incidents only which I remember,there may be many other too





1. 92 - out of a NO ball from Frankline Rose against West Indies in 1997 at Bridgetown..Remember India lost the test just by 38 runs..U can just imagine how much that bad decision effected the result of the match!!!



2. 83 - Out of a NO ball again..[don't remember the bowler] last test in WestIndies in 1997.Draw Test.



3. 67- LBW off Crains..last test against NewZealand in 1999, was not out coz the ball pitched outside the legstump.Match Drawn



4. 61 - caught at forward shortleg,bowler Shane Warne.against Australia at Adelaide in 1999.. the ball touched the thigh pads and Umpire Darel Harper gave him out.. India were 107 for 4 when Ganguly joined Sachin and they put on 108 runs for the 5th wicket..



5. 0 - LBW bowler Macgrath..against Australia at Adelaide in 1999,same test, nothing more to say..Everyone remember that FOOLISH decision



6. 52 - LBW bowler Shane Warne,Umpire David Shepherd,against Australia at Melbourne in 1999, were chasing 356 as a target on the fourth day.



7. 45 - LBW bowler Macgrath,UmpireIan Robinson,against Australia at Sydney in 2000, the ball seemed to hit him too high and was going on leg stump, In that very over,Tendulkar had pulled a short one from Macgrath for two,and hooked the next two for boundaries,and a ball later punched the fast bowler back past him for the 3rd four of the over



8. 16 - caught behind off Waqar Younis,against Pakistan at Perth in 2000, it was must win situation for India to qualify in the final , scored 16 runs of 9 balls,hitted 3 fours in one over of Waqar Younis and 1 off Wasim Akram on the fastest pitch of the world,India were chasing 260 odd runs...



9. 0 - LBW bowler Gillespie,Umpire Bucknor,against Australia at Brisbane in 2003 funny thing is that the bowler not applead for the LBW... MR.Bucknor gave the decision of his own



10. 0 - caught behind off Lee,against Australia at Melbourne in 2003,ball touched the thigh pads and umpire given him out.





11. 54 - caught behind,Umpire Bucknor,against Pakistan at Kolkata in 2005, I think we all seen that decison, theball was not near to his pad,gloves,helmet,arm.. no where...



There may be so many other incident like this...Teams like Australia taking help from the umpires to stop Tendulkar... the 1999-2000 tour of Australia proves it..



And the last thing is that Sachin played 11 years [1989-2000] in the era where his own team mates involved in match fixing.. So despite of his brilliant knocks we failed to win the match just bcoz others not contirbuting..Yuo can win ODI's just wid ur own batting but u can't win test matches wid one innings bcoz test played for 5 days its a 4 inning game..Still Tendulkar's record in this era is Awesome.

[soham]

To all ganguly haters: I really feel sorry for you guys. Ganguly has hit the hammer on your heads. So you people have gone crazy. Some coments made by these guys are so stupid it makes me feel they have a head full of dung. Come-on guys get a life and start appretiating the truth.

[wizrulz]

To all ganguly haters: I really feel sorry for you guys. Ganguly has hit the hammer on your heads. So you people have gone crazy. Some coments made by these guys are so stupid it makes me feel they have a head full of dung. Come-on guys get a life and start appretiating the truth.

SAME TO U ;)

[navjotjsingh]

A bit offtopic I suppose....but posted this to lighten the mood on this thread:

1.LAXMAN:
available@home-only.com

2.GANGULY:
nowdays@no_use.com

3.KUMBLE:
only@test_match.com

4.SACHIN:
admitted@hospital.com

5.KAIF:
good@for_nothing.com

6.SEHWAG:
consistently@out_of_form.com

7.DRAVID:
stick@crease_like_fevicol.com

8.PATHAN:
takewickets@only_with_keyna.com

9. GREG CHAPPELL
only_experiment@noresult.com

10. Munaf Patel
only_line&length@nospeed.com

11.Harbhajan Singh
no_spinpitch@nowicket.com

12. Suresh Raina
why_i_am_there@god_knows.com

[LegendKiller]

I will not take dada's record into account...thats ur work as ur his fan...i will give u record of batsemen whom i and world rate highly......;)

ODI

Won Chasing Target

Sachin- 101 4397 134 58.62 13 23

Dravid- 72 2124 109* 49.39 2 19

Ponting- 77 2670 124* 53.40 4 17



In Quater Finals

Sachin- 3 210 141 70.00 1 0

Dravid- 2 57 48 28.50 0 0

Ponting- 3 118 46 39.33 0 0



In Semi Finals

Sachin- 7 232 83 33.14 0 2

Dravid- 4 28 58 42.66 0 1

Ponting-5 71 37 14.20 0 0



In Finals

Sachin - 36 1487 134 47.96 4 9

Dravid- 23 690 103* 34.50 1 3

Ponting- 33 1217 140* 45.07 2 6



All Finals

Sachin- 47 1954 141 46.52 5 11

Dravid- 30 943 103* 37.72 1 5

Ponting- 41 1406 140* 40.17 2 6



In Series Won

Sachin- 127 5548 186* 51.37 19 26

Dravid- 76 2645 153 42.66 2 22

Ponting- 177 7245 145 47.98 18 45





In Test

100's in Tests India Won - 12

100's in Tests India Lost - 8

100's in Test Drawn - 15



Holds the record of maxium number of 100's for loosing team...That means a lone warrior..Thats why once Indian Cricket Team was called as ONE MAN ARMY!!!!


Often said Sachin gets fail at crunch situation...Well 1st we must admit that when Sachin on the crease Win is sure...As soon Sachin gets out..the situation becomes crunchy!!! Sachin is out,now who will win match for us?? No one sure who will win match for them...

So bcoz of this thing Teams targets Sachin as the most precious wicket...

Nasser Hussain introduced Negative lines for Sachin Tendulkar to stop the flow of runs when he is on wicket!!!

Local umpires also involved some times to help their team against Sachin Tendulkar,espeically Australians!

Some incidents striking in my mind...I think Sachin is the player who got out maximum numbers of times bcoz of bad or wrong decision by Umpires..I m producing those incidents only which I remember,there may be many other too





1. 92 - out of a NO ball from Frankline Rose against West Indies in 1997 at Bridgetown..Remember India lost the test just by 38 runs..U can just imagine how much that bad decision effected the result of the match!!!



2. 83 - Out of a NO ball again..[don't remember the bowler] last test in WestIndies in 1997.Draw Test.



3. 67- LBW off Crains..last test against NewZealand in 1999, was not out coz the ball pitched outside the legstump.Match Drawn



4. 61 - caught at forward shortleg,bowler Shane Warne.against Australia at Adelaide in 1999.. the ball touched the thigh pads and Umpire Darel Harper gave him out.. India were 107 for 4 when Ganguly joined Sachin and they put on 108 runs for the 5th wicket..



5. 0 - LBW bowler Macgrath..against Australia at Adelaide in 1999,same test, nothing more to say..Everyone remember that FOOLISH decision



6. 52 - LBW bowler Shane Warne,Umpire David Shepherd,against Australia at Melbourne in 1999, were chasing 356 as a target on the fourth day.



7. 45 - LBW bowler Macgrath,UmpireIan Robinson,against Australia at Sydney in 2000, the ball seemed to hit him too high and was going on leg stump, In that very over,Tendulkar had pulled a short one from Macgrath for two,and hooked the next two for boundaries,and a ball later punched the fast bowler back past him for the 3rd four of the over



8. 16 - caught behind off Waqar Younis,against Pakistan at Perth in 2000, it was must win situation for India to qualify in the final , scored 16 runs of 9 balls,hitted 3 fours in one over of Waqar Younis and 1 off Wasim Akram on the fastest pitch of the world,India were chasing 260 odd runs...



9. 0 - LBW bowler Gillespie,Umpire Bucknor,against Australia at Brisbane in 2003 funny thing is that the bowler not applead for the LBW... MR.Bucknor gave the decision of his own



10. 0 - caught behind off Lee,against Australia at Melbourne in 2003,ball touched the thigh pads and umpire given him out.





11. 54 - caught behind,Umpire Bucknor,against Pakistan at Kolkata in 2005, I think we all seen that decison, theball was not near to his pad,gloves,helmet,arm.. no where...



There may be so many other incident like this...Teams like Australia taking help from the umpires to stop Tendulkar... the 1999-2000 tour of Australia proves it..



And the last thing is that Sachin played 11 years [1989-2000] in the era where his own team mates involved in match fixing.. So despite of his brilliant knocks we failed to win the match just bcoz others not contirbuting..Yuo can win ODI's just wid ur own batting but u can't win test matches wid one innings bcoz test played for 5 days its a 4 inning game..Still Tendulkar's record in this era is Awesome.
What a stat dude! if people favouring sorrow(i mean sourav),know english and maths,they should keep quiet after reading those numbers..

@indyan,
dude it seems you understand what you want to and generalise it..My comments regarding "stupid attacks" referred only to this "Practise Match"...
And a comment on one "practise" game cannot be generalised for international matches,if you get it?!
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As for motivation against "stupid" attacks goes,dada is the most motivated player when it comes to kenya/bangladesh/zimbabwe...
Coz that where his last centuries as captain&player have come from...

[soumya]

Hehehe..:D:D:D Pathan top scored for india with 111 not out and even bhajji scored a fifty...

If people are judging a player by his performance today..then i think pathan not only out scored our "Sorrow" gone-guly(dada,if u call him),but played better than him...:lol::lol:

Also i think this stupid attack did not excite the "legendary" sachin too much and thus decided to give the "wannabe" batsman(s) like sourav/pathan/bhajji to make some runs&name for themselves..:D:D

Also seeing dada's standard in recent times,i don't blame the media and his fans,only happy to see him score against a "B" side..coz they also know,in their hearts,what to expect from "sorrow"..

I sincerely hope that you are wrong. If you are correct then Sachin should be kicked out the team. He is not bigger than Team India!! ;)
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okay so can anyone bring out dadas record in the first 1.5 years of his captaincy...lets see how he compares with dravid...

Captaincy record Mts Won Lost NR Won% Lost%

Dravid 53 27 23 3 50.94 43.39

Ganguly after 53 matches 53 27 26 0 50.94 49.06

Performance with the bat: Mts Inns NO Runs Hs Avg SR 100 50 0

Dravid 53 52 7 1823 105 40.51 72.97 2 16 3

Ganguly after 53 matches 53 52 5 2199 144 46.79 77.78 7 12 2

Ganguly Fan's rejoice. He doesn't only have a better captainship record but a much better batting record than the wannabe oneday player! :))

[wizrulz]

I sincerely hope that you are wrong. If you are correct then Sachin should be kicked out the team. He is not bigger than Team India!! ;)
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Captaincy record Mts Won Lost NR Won% Lost%

Dravid 53 27 23 3 50.94 43.39

Ganguly after 53 matches 53 27 26 0 50.94 49.06

Performance with the bat: Mts Inns NO Runs Hs Avg SR 100 50 0

Dravid 53 52 7 1823 105 40.51 72.97 2 16 3

Ganguly after 53 matches 53 52 5 2199 144 46.79 77.78 7 12 2

Ganguly Fan's rejoice. He doesn't only have a better captainship record but a much better batting record than the wannabe oneday player! :))

If win % is same how is he better???
the better batting record is due to dada being in form and dravid been out of touch at the moment. Evrry misunderstanding will be sorted out very soon.

can u please post for TEST also...or u avioded that one??? :D

[soumya]

The Master out for 10 and the Prince out for a duck :( Lets wait till 15th december!

[Arsenal_Gunners]

If win % is same how is he better???
the better batting record is due to dada being in form and dravid been out of touch at the moment. Evrry misunderstanding will be sorted out very soon.

can u please post for TEST also...or u avioded that one??? :D

here is the test record again which was AVOIDED
Tests Inns NO Runs Hs Avg sR 100 50 0
Ganguly 49 75 7 2561 144 37.66 50.75 5 13 4
Dravid 17 30 5 1293 146 51.72 40.70 3 8 1
Ganguly 17 28 4 688 98 28.67 48.18 0 3 2
after 17 games.
lol pretty numbers.

DADA GOT A ZERO.the sa bowlers had enough of him.and tenduman has really grown old.You all know about poor viru's case :D :D
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The Master out for 10 and the Prince out for a duck :( Lets wait till 15th december!

are you calling viru the master?VIRU-10
tendu-12

[wizrulz]

here is the test record again which was AVOIDED
Tests Inns NO Runs Hs Avg sR 100 50 0
Ganguly 49 75 7 2561 144 37.66 50.75 5 13 4
Dravid 17 30 5 1293 146 51.72 40.70 3 8 1
Ganguly 17 28 4 688 98 28.67 48.18 0 3 2
after 17 games.
lol pretty numbers.




DOODH KA DOODH ...AUR PAANI KA PAANI.......:D :D :D :D

so avoided numbers r out....

aur KOI HAIN KYA STATS LEKAR....AAOOO ....(JUST SAW HINDI FLICK starring dharam paaji....;) )

[LegendKiller]

Hehehe:D:D...the sun has broken through and has brought with it truth!;)

finally sourav ganguly has shown his true talent and has made a magnificent....oooops...0 of two balls..:shock::shock::shock:

Well after one performance everyone said dada is back...and now after this latest performance what do we say?,ya ya..it was a fluke(score of 83):?:
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Bye,Bye sorrow gone-guly.....ur bluff is over..

[amd64_man2005]

u all saurav haters should be happy that saurav has given u a chance to rejoice.... he is very large hearted thats y he does not want ne one to cry over his overwhelming form...i kno u all west indians and south indians must be depressed by sauravs grand return...i advice u to go to psychiatrist before the 15th...else it would be too late...think over it...and thank dada..

[~Phenom~]

Ganguly has better leadership qualities so my vote goes to Ganguly :)
Yes.
ganguly is the most successful captain India has ever produced , then come Azhar , then kapil.
comparing ganguly with pathan and bhajji is just so stupid.

[royal]

Well one thing one must agree to...and that is dada might be the worst Indian batsman ever, dada might score zero in all the remaining matches but this man is a fighter...you gotta give him that. Anil Kumble is another such person . No matter whatever the odds are they never give in and thats a very rare trend among Indian sportmen, let alone cricketers :cool:

And for the sake of India, lets hope dada continues to score and Sachin is finally motivated and excited to perform...we can take on anyone the day these two perform together. :D Would not we all like to see that ?

[dpd_2006]

Yes.
ganguly is the most successful captain India has ever produced , then come Azhar , then kapil.
comparing ganguly with pathan and bhajji is just so stupid.

100% correct, there is none except Sourav

[LegendKiller]

Well one thing one must agree to...and that is dada might be the worst Indian batsman ever, dada might score zero in all the remaining matches but this man is a fighter...you gotta give him that. Anil Kumble is another such person . No matter whatever the odds are they never give in and thats a very rare trend among Indian sportmen, let alone cricketers :cool:

And for the sake of India, lets hope dada continues to score and Sachin is finally motivated and excited to perform...we can take on anyone the day these two perform together. :D Would not we all like to see that ?
add dravid to sourav+sachin to perform well...last time they fired together was in england in 2002...hope the "big" two(sachin+dravid)+dada do well..

[Arsenal_Gunners]

add dravid to sourav+sachin to perform well...last time they fired together was in england in 2002...hope the "big" two(sachin+dravid)+dada do well..

what about our bald boy?:D

[LegendKiller]

what about our bald boy?:D
he will continue to remain in all spheres...one feels..

[reddragon]

Anyway one great point for Sourav is He speaks english tremendously well . Afterall he is from St. Xaviers Cal . he he he . Thats why he is that much succesful . In Academic matter the other indian current players have no match for sourav .
well why I am telling about academic qualification of Sourav ? because there is comparison in captaincy with many other players .. A captain should have diverse quality. Not only his experience/living-city/run matters

[wizrulz]

This is Sachins record in finals, since 1999

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/8702/sachinsc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


He has scored 310 runs in 13 innings', at an avg of 25.83. His highest score is 74.
But, I repeat it again, he is a better batsman than Sourav - no doubt about that. However, he isnt the best bastman in the world or one of the all time greats as he is made out to be. He clearly fails under pressure.

Btw, isnt Kumble also highly educated?


So that proves how imp SACHIN is..he plays and makes INDIA reach final.....and when he doesnt plays well...INDIA cannot win....:D :D :D


And out of these 13 india haev won just one.....

SO now everyone KNows y india didnt win in 13 finals under dada's captaincy.....how dependent was dada on SACHIN THE GREAT....:p

[Arsenal_Gunners]

yes anil is highly educated and is a very intelligent person.while tendu is tenth fail.:D it dosnt make much difference though.

[iMav]

So that proves how imp SACHIN is..he plays and makes INDIA reach final.....and when he doesnt plays well...INDIA cannot win....:D :D :D


And out of these 13 india haev won just one.....

SO now everyone KNows y india didnt win in 13 finals under dada's captaincy.....how dependent was dada on SACHIN THE GREAT....:p so why is india not winning now ... sachin is still in the team .... the change that has affected the team is the captain .... ganguly brough the fighting spirit in the team .... but now with dravid being so submissive greg is pulling the strings and all the players are like lost

[kumarmohit]

yes anil is highly educated and is a very intelligent person.while tendu is tenth fail.:D it dosnt make much difference though.

Alright, Education mein sports quota hota hai, ab se Sports mein bhi ek education quota hua karega:-D

ROTFL:-Dhttp://www.techhelpers.net/e4u/comp/comp11.gif

[Arsenal_Gunners]

i remember an instance about our baldy opener.you remember,in pakistan on a
dead pitch sehwag and rahul were on the verge of breaking the highest partnership record for 1st wicket(413) and viru as always played a stupid shot to get out.After that he was asked if he knew he was so close to that record which was set up by Pankaj Roy and Vinoo Mankad.
guess what "mr. unsuccessful on bed" said in reply-

WHO WERE these Pankaj Roy and Vinoo Mankad guys ?

so much for respect of cricket heritage.

[blueshift]

I too voted Ganguly.

[sailesh.psg]

Rahul is a puppet in Chappels hand..Ganguly is an really agressive person ..he fits the best as captain

[overclocker]

I want to mention u again that captancey is not a similar job like batting nd Rahul Dravid is far behind frm him(S.G).. so no doubt my vote goes for Sourav Ganguly.

[sarandigit]

i mean i like dravid but do you really go by the icc awards :0

awards are meant 2 b given 4 the best. theres no doubt tat i have full faith in icc awards. there has been no discrepency in these awards so far.

[debasish]

it is unarguably ...saurav ganguly!

[shakshy]

I have my sympathy for Saurav, but his time is out now. He can't perform so he has to get out.

[reddragon]

get lost u all knowItAll...he is now the topscorer 51*

[~Phenom~]

Dada still rules.

[soumya]

All hail King Sourav........GO BACK Dravid!

[godling]

ABFYTAGH. :cool:

Yeah, that's for all Ganguly haters.

Take that.

(But I'm doubtful that you all will be able to decode that, since
the your decision of selecting Dravid as a captain is itself a
reflection of your mental state)

Dada supporters, please ignore my post. :lol:

[shantanu]

SOURAV IS WAS AND EVER BE BE THE BEST>>> he is best

[digitized]

Ohhh...where are those people who were shouting the following:

1-Dada cannot play short pitched bowling.
2-Dada will get chin music and get out without scoring much, 200% sure???!!! He will show his true colours by scoring 0. No ability to play genuine fast bowling with 3 slips and gully waiting.haha....8)
3-Dada does not bring team spirit to the team.:O
4-Dada's time is over. Suresh Raina is a better player than him.:O
5-Dada is not a good fielder. He will misfield frequently. His running between wickets is bad.

I am not able to remember much more useless talk.:D Need we say more about the "sorrow-gone-ganguly"?

When Royal Bengal Tiger roars, all else listen. All hail Sourav Ganguli!!!

[Arsenal_Gunners]

Ohhh...where are those people who were shouting the following:

1-Dada cannot play short pitched bowling.
2-Dada will get chin music and get out without scoring much, 200% sure???!!! He will show his true colours by scoring 0. No ability to play genuine fast bowling with 3 slips and gully waiting.haha....8)
3-Dada does not bring team spirit to the team.:O
4-Dada's time is over. Suresh Raina is a better player than him.:O
5-Dada is not a good fielder. He will misfield frequently. His running between wickets is bad.

I am not able to remember much more useless talk.:D Need we say more about the "sorrow-gone-ganguly"?

When Royal Bengal Tiger roars, all else listen. All hail Sourav Ganguli!!!

thx forthe points.i will use them against dhoni and viru:D

[wizrulz]

get lost u all knowItAll...he is now the topscorer 51*

THREAD TOPIC:Sourav Ganguly should be the captain of the Indian Team.

DISCUSSION : Should ganguly be made a captian

MY VIEW:
All sorrow gone fans stop his 51 trumpet...:D :D :D
If u have to go by that method of naming captian who scores high runs then VVS should be captian :D

Dravid is doing very good job....he has won us away series in WI which came after long time...and now great triump in SA....

Which even great leader haev not achived :D

[Tech Geek]

I voted for dravid.

[wizrulz]

Ohhh...where are those people who were shouting the following:

1-Dada cannot play short pitched bowling.
2-Dada will get chin music and get out without scoring much, 200% sure???!!! He will show his true colours by scoring 0. No ability to play genuine fast bowling with 3 slips and gully waiting.haha....8)
3-Dada does not bring team spirit to the team.:O
4-Dada's time is over. Suresh Raina is a better player than him.:O
5-Dada is not a good fielder. He will misfield frequently. His running between wickets is bad.


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Good u haev accpeted that :D

[mail2and]

I was one of the critics of Saurav Ganguly because his attitude was bad. He didn't run the singles, didn't have the determination to stay at the wicket, didn't concentrate too much.

However, he has completely changed. We can see the change; he ran quick singles, concentrated hard, showed great determination, and proved that he is a fighter.

Even before I have said this, and I'll say it again: Ganguly is a better captain than Dravid. He didn't deserve a place earlier because of his attitude, but now he does deserve a place.

And if he is in the side, he should be the captain. Dravid is a great captain, but Ganguly is better.

However, Ganguly should prove his mettle in the forthcoming matches, too.

I didn't vote as I felt it's too early to say whether Ganguly is indeed back.

[rajaryan_13]

if Saurav is again made captain, he will again score the 0,1, 0,0, etc :P

[digitized]

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Good u haev