*** Science Or God? ***

[naveen_reloaded]

i think this is the most controversial subject ever to be discussed...


whose side are u in ???

science or god????

i am an atheist....

whose line are u in???

[sysfilez]

God is scientific.

[Sykora]

Science. No doubt.

[cvvikram]

Science. No doubt.

Lemme ask one question...Who is all behind this science ???? :?: :?:

[Kiran_tech_mania]

This is a big debatable and sensitive issue.
Science is not yet able to explain the formation of Universe. Big Bang theory which most trust now-a-days doesn't explain the formation of Universe completely. Till mankind probes into these deeply, we can't ignore the existence of supernatural powers. Atleast for now.

[Sykora]

@cvvikram : The Curiosity of Man

Agreed, science is not yet capable of explaining everything. But I think the keyword is "yet". I believe that it is only a matter of time before science is capable of giving reasons for what is not known today.

[the deconstructionist]

The debate which will never be solved. For every atheist you have a hundred million believers.

[Yamaraj]

It's all a simulation, or a dream.

[kalpik]

Science.. Im an atheist too :p

[piyush gupta]

God

[kl_ravi]

GOD !!
I treat all the elements like WATER, AIR, EARTH, FIRE etc as God given gift!!

[naveen_reloaded]

This is a big debatable and sensitive issue.
Science is not yet able to explain the formation of Universe. Big Bang theory which most trust now-a-days doesn't explain the formation of Universe completely. Till mankind probes into these deeply, we can't ignore the existence of supernatural powers. Atleast for now.



excuse me......scientific invention dont come over m\night.....

even the computer u are working took several years.....

even for a small addition we needed a machine that was the size of a lecture theatre.....

even our evoultion took time....the word evoultion itself denotes there cab be no GOD....

the very basic thing which is in front of us say ocean, birth a child , everything is scientific./..

do u say a birth of a new born is GODLY???

no way...

[john_the_ultimate]

I think that GOD (whoever he/she maybe) have to be the greatest scientist ever. So he has left us the a sample (earth/solar sytem/galaxy/universe/???) for us to explore and discover and ultimately evolve.
So in my opinion everything unknown is God/Satan and everything known is science.

[naveen_reloaded]

I think that GOD (whoever he/she maybe) have to be the greatest scientist ever. So he has left us the a sample (earth/solar sytem/galaxy/universe/???) for us to explore and discover and ultimately evolve.
So in my opinion everything unknown is God/Satan and everything known is science.


so u say that until u discover something or invent something ...its god????

[zegulas]

See dude, as far as you will believe in God, you won't be able to find the truth, just for the sake of finding the truth behind everything, try this, don't believe in God for one day and see what happens. I am preety sure nothing different will happen, because even I believe in Science, because it can explain things and the idea of God (created everything), is just like a curtain put in front of your eyes, to keep you away from the reality.

[john_the_ultimate]

so u say that until u discover something or invent something ...its god????

Not God but that how most people like to express when they can't explain something or some event.

[kalpik]

See dude, as far as you will believe in God, you won't be able to find the truth, just for the sake of finding the truth behind everything, try this, don't believe in God for one day and see what happens. I am preety sure nothing different will happen, because even I believe in Science, because it can explain things and the idea of God (created everything), is just like a curtain put in front of your eyes, to keep you away from the reality.
+1

God is "The Matrix" :D

[naveen_reloaded]

Not God but that how most people like to express when they can't explain something or some event.



its simply denotes the laziness we people have created....

instead of finding out the truth or cause for that thing....we simply put the whole thing upon a thing that doesnt exist and walk away....
__________
See dude, as far as you will believe in God, you won't be able to find the truth, just for the sake of finding the truth behind everything, try this, don't believe in God for one day and see what happens. I am preety sure nothing different will happen, because even I believe in Science, because it can explain things and the idea of God (created everything), is just like a curtain put in front of your eyes, to keep you away from the reality.


nicely said!!!!

[tuxfan]

Atheists haven't studied religion, how do they know whether its good or bad? So it is an assumption that religion is not scientific!

[mediator]

There's a good saying "God helps those who help themselves" ! I don't believe in god n the quote directly means "That we shud help ourselves instead of relying on God" ! God is a fictitious character for me and we pray to him only to get our innards awakened!
As far as religion is concerned that was discussed long time back. Neways for me religion means spirituality + pieces of wisdom ! Speaking of ghosts is beyond my thinking!

[mehra.rakesh]

As most of the believers & atheists will agree , even most of the atheists or their relatives when go through some ordeal (say some accident or sickness )they look upon god to help them out.
Instead we all should debate on whether crores of money spent on building temples or mosques & other beliefs should be there or not ?

LIVE & LET LIVE

[Poon]

Depends on what people's definition of god is. I am mostly a skeptic. If you tell me that god is someone who came to earth and screwed a virgin Jewish women and became the father of Jesus, I am sorry in that case I don't believe in God.
P.S i can comment ****-loads from both sides however I guess it is a waste of time.
Science does not have all the answers and that is a fact.
Ppl ask did god make man or man make god?
It cannot be answered which came first the chicken or the egg?

[kumarmohit]

Both...and None
Science is the instrument which the god has given to mankind so that he can enjoy his retirement. Science is a product of head and god is a product of heart.

just like the Matrix both science and god are nothing but electric signals interpreted by your brain which can be modified so technically I have neither seen god nor science, who knows we might be living in a matrix like entity run by god who is fooling us to believe in science or by a robot fooling us to believe in god so that if and when its true identity comes out we consider him god.

If there is a god why does not he reveal himself?
If the science is the only thing there is why despite its eternal efforts has it failed to cure the eternal malady of mankind -- death?

[zegulas]

I have a very nice story to share with you guys:

Once Gautam Buddha was asked about wether God existed or not, he simply said, if you are going to behave humanitarily with other people because of God, then he does exist.

[naveen_reloaded]

I have a very nice story to share with you guys:

Once Gautam Buddha was asked about wether God existed or not, he simply said, if you are going to behave humanitarily with other people because of God, then he does exist.


well thats wht its all about....

even mahabharatham ...ramayana has loads of stories./.....

[sms_solver]

Visit the following website, it is very interesting site

http://www.indiadaily.com/comp.asp

[naveen_reloaded]

Visit the following website, it is very interesting site

http://www.indiadaily.com/comp.asp

wht is that website>?????

its coollll

can we believe it ???
__________
well that website is good.....

[sms_solver]

wht is that website>?????

its coollll

can we believe it ???
__________
well that website is good.....

it is total upon you, even if you believe 10% of what is written there, it shows the presence of higher intelligent being watching us.

Another link of interesting site
http://www.2012.com.au/Site.A.html

[Stick]

God Made us (and science) and we re-fined Science ! Easy

[Poon]

The solution to all the problems is if you want to be religious dpn't subscribe to any religious institutions.



The christian should be first told that Jesus was a carpenter and who ironically got crucified on the cross. His mother was not a virgin and got did not come to earth and screw a Jewish woman. They deny the beauty of creation a "pole going inside a hole to create a new soul".! If he is god then he is a reincarnation of Vishnu!



Islam perhaps the greatest religion but muslim's the worst followers. They should first start drinking alcohol and abolish the viel or scarf etc. Imagine man "no alcohol all the women covered" even I would go violent, take a gun and start shooting everybody.



The Jew: leave Israel and go back where u all came from. You don't belong there.



The Hindu: Start eating the holy Indian cow after all it is holy meet and I am testimony to the fact that it is tasty. Perhaps it can poverty to a great extent.



The athiest: Which came first the egg or chicken? answer that? and don't be ignorant about religion.



Well I guess i am a skeptic or agnostic.

Take care

[naveen_reloaded]

The solution to all the problems is if you want to be religious dpn't subscribe to any religious institutions.



The christian should be first told that Jesus was a carpenter and who ironically got crucified on the cross. His mother was not a virgin and got did not come to earth and screw a Jewish woman. They deny the beauty of creation a "pole going inside a hole to create a new soul".! If he is god then he is a reincarnation of Vishnu!



Islam perhaps the greatest religion but muslim's the worst followers. They should first start drinking alcohol and abolish the viel or scarf etc. Imagine man "no alcohol all the women covered" even I would go violent, take a gun and start shooting everybody.



The Jew: leave Israel and go back where u all came from. You don't belong there.



The Hindu: Start eating the holy Indian cow after all it is holy meet and I am testimony to the fact that it is tasty. Perhaps it can poverty to a great extent.



The athiest: Which came first the egg or chicken? answer that? and don't be ignorant about religion.



Well I guess i am a skeptic or agnostic.

Take care



well said mate....u touched both the extremes.....

well done....

[thewisecrab]

We Need The Best Of Both Sides.......

[naveen_reloaded]

We Need The Best Of Both Sides.......


yes the good things like how we should live from the eipics and the rapidly growing knowledge on other side..........

[jal_desai]

There is no point in considering science and paranormal science as two different entities.... they are same but what i think is .... paranormal science is forward than logical science....

Proofs to support me:

((1)). every thing tht we see today WAS there in the past... we know tht in mahabharata, dhritirashtra had 100 sons (kauravas)... a female cannot give birth to 100 sons and what about the age difference beetween the first and the last son (logic lagaao!) it should be minimum 100 yrs right?????? wrong... because they used some techniques in the form of rituals which we now know as --- CLONING..... Kauravas were the example of HUMAN CLONING

((2)) We also know tht Agatsya (a mahabharata character) was born in a pot... (ghada) .. --- A Perfect Example of TEST TUBE BABY.

((3)) In Ramayan, the evil RAVAN had a swan-like plane tht used to defy gravity and go in to the air.... so we have a proof tht the LAWS OF AERODYNAMICS WERE PRESENT AT THT TIME...

((4)) In Mahabharata and Ramayan it is written tht when, during a war, a person would shoot an arrow then various kinds of outcome would occur... they were using mantras to affect the other party.... AN EXAMPLE OF HAND-HELD MISSILES which are on the verge to become popular in military nowadays.

((5)) In mahabharata, during the final war, SANJEEV (--saarthi of dhritarashtra) was given a boon to SEE the war while sittin home and narrate it to blind rajah...... --- AN OBVIOUS EXAMPLE OF RADAR/TELEVISION (DOORDARSHAN to be very precise)...... (and now we say tht JOHN LOGIE BAIRD was the inventor of TV...?? HUH)



so, these technologies were present thousands of yrs ago.... but they were rediscovered again...
OTHER INVENTION, THT I THINK, WILL TAKE PLACE IN FUTURE IS TO GET INVISIBLE....
In those epics there is a mention about ppl dissapering at one place and appearing at some other place the very moment.... tht technology is yet to be discovered...


LOGICAL SCIENCE is just lagging behind the PARANORMAL SCIENCE... else they both are on the VERY SAME TRACK.


Lets talk about LAWS.

Were not the Laws of Motion there before Newton????

Was not E=mc2 true before einstein actually found it????

Was not light a WAVE or PARTICLE at the time when dinosours roamed on this planet???

Would not 365 days make a year when man just learnt how to light fire???

A famous quote i wud like to put here from the film Men in Black: "1500 YEARS AGO EVERYBODY KNEW THT EARTH IS FLAT... 500 YEARS AGO EVERYBODY KNEW THT EARTH IS IN THE CENTRE OF THE UNIVERSE... 5 MINS AGO WE ALL KNEW THT WE ARE ALONE...But we were wrong"

Aise to kitne saare laws honge jo abhi tak DISCOVER nahi huye.. they are there .... at this very moment while u are reading this... these undiscovered laws are affecting you.. but AS THEY ARE NOT LOGICALLY DISCOVERED,,,, WE CALL THEM A SUPERNATURAL PHENOMENA....


so as a matter of fact... PARANORMAL SCIENCE , which some of us call GOD... some may call a MATTER OF CHANCE.... or sometimes even LUCK.... this PARANORMAL SCIENCE which we call it today...... will be called LOGICAL SCIENCE in future....

Digitally yours,
Jal

[john_the_ultimate]

@jal_desai
Well said mate.

[Tech.Masti]

:( :( can't decide:( :(

[Sykora]

@jai_desai :

What happened to all your "proofs" after that time? Why do we recognize John Logie baird as the inventor of Radar and not Sanjeeva? Why are we not able to clone now, if ostensibly cloning was possible then?

They are proofs only if you believe that they took place at all, which will fall back to a decision of whether or not you believe in mysticism...

[shaunak]

If you can prove the existance of god, ill believe you. Why should i believe in something that cant be seen or felt.

If someone survive a plane crash, its all the credit goes to god, but who thinks of the thousand engeeneers at boieng/airbus who toiled day and night to ensure he/she survives in that scenario?

If you walk near the siddhivinayak temple you will see 'bout a score of CCTV cameras but just a few kilometers from it Nehru center stays defence less. This clearly shows the degradation of learing at the hands of religion.

Surely if lesser money was pupmed into the temple's upkeep, roads, hospitals and research facilities could be improved.
Lets evaluate the options, (a) save many lives by improving hospitals, (b)help the desolate by enriching charities (c)improve develiopment by improving infrastructure (d) please god by making a gold/marble/granite/diamond temple.
Now you decide

[zegulas]

First of all, weren't the Mahabharata and Ramayana epics?
As far as I know, some human being wrote them, they aren't true events!
And science has the capabilities to make all your dreams come true, whatever they may be. But it takes a long time to invent all the things that you have mentioned, like cloning and study of aerodynamics, thinking about them is very easy dear, everyone could do it, if they don't have anything else to do.
Don't just see dreams while you are in this world, try to make them real and worthy for the mankind.

Last note for all of you:

Sir Newton, during his last moments said: If I was able to see farther than the reach of others, was because I was standing on the shoulders of the giants.

Now GIANTS here mean vast knowledge, not God or anything!

[mediator]

What happened to all your "proofs" after that time? Why do we recognize John Logie baird as the inventor of Radar and not Sanjeeva? Why are we not able to clone now, if ostensibly cloning was possible then?

They are proofs only if you believe that they took place at all, which will fall back to a decision of whether or not you believe in mysticism...


U need to read this (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39340) thread in detail first.
Next, why was America named after Vespucci n not christopher columbus? Why is it that most of the mathetmatical formulae are named after foreigners when they were clearly mentioned in Vedic Mathematics since the era of Ramayan n before? Why is that people learn about foriegn textbooks and not the vedic textbooks? Why is it that Sanskrit inspite of being a complete language better than any other language in the world and acknowledged by all the reputed scientists n discovers is becoming dead or almost dead??

I hope u got mah point! Its obvious that people tend to name something after them when they did't explored the past and don't know that the technology existed in past too. The thing is accepted then by the world when most are ignorant about the past. But read the link I gave, people r getting aware about the past n have evidences that technology existed in the past too!

WHo knows what happened after that time! If people had known then I'm sure they wud also have known the complete knowledge embedded in India's past and we wud have been a 100 times more powerful and richer than US by now! Mughals came to India n destroyed Indian temples, scriptures,paintings and ruled for a big time, then came foreigners who ruled for a big time. From these facts, its quite clear no one can save his her past completely. If ur life's threatened, then a common man wont bother about his knowledge n texts, but his life!


If you can prove the existance of god, ill believe you. Why should i believe in something that cant be seen or felt.

I agree to that. Its human nature to do so because of which comes spirit of questioning n which leads to scientific evolution.
@shaunak the rest of the corresponding post of urs fits more appropriately in this thread http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38163

@zegulas, don't say they were stories. The path between srilanka n India bridged with stones shud be enough for u to believe that they were facts. There are more facts than this if u have read the mahabharat n ramayan fully n have searched the net.

[jal_desai]

If you can prove the existance of god, ill believe you. Why should i believe in something that cant be seen or felt.


can you see air.... what will happen to u if air is not there....

[zegulas]

@mediator, why should I not say that they were stories, please accept the fact that they are indeed stories, everyone knows that. And as far as the bridging of India and Sri-Lanka goes, thats how the earth is, some part of it is under water some part is above water, but if all the water is removed, then the whole earth is connected, so the bridge thing is just an elevated part of earth which is above water currently and looks like a bridge. And if you have a proof that monkeys made it, then show it to all of us.

[jal_desai]

@mediator, why should I not say that they were stories, please accept the fact that they are indeed stories, everyone knows that. And as far as the bridging of India and Sri-Lanka goes, thats how the earth is, some part of it is under water some part is above water, but if all the water is removed, then the whole earth is connected, so the bridge thing is just an elevated part of earth which is above water currently and looks like a bridge. And if you have a proof that monkeys made it, then show it to all of us.


proofs proofs proofs....... what makes humans so perfect??? wat makes humans think tht they are goddamn better thn any other creature in the universe...
arey yaar a simple example:

(1)
a human eye cant even see radiations other thn 400-700 nm (nanometers)... CAN WE SEE INFRARED RADIATIONS?... CAN WE SEE ULTRAVIOLET RAYS???
THT'S A LIMITATION OF A HUMAN EYE MADE OF SKIN....

(2)
our ears cant hear sounds more thn 20,000 db... while bats can???
WE HAVE TO BE LOGICAL yaar... there are certain incapabilities of a human being....

Why there are certain laws which we have studied have "ACCEPTED WITHOUT PROOF" tagged with it.

uptill 19 th century it was believed tht the earth is flat... so our great grand fathers died with a feeling tht the earth is flat... their life was not so long to get the actual fact.

Columbus found America in 1492 AD but untill he died in 1507 AD.. he was in tht impression tht he found India... poor guy...

Even in SCIENCE... certain phenomena occur which the scientist canno define in a scientific manner... MANY INVENTIONS ARE YET TO BE "DISCOVERED" (ya i wrote the word "discovered" intentionally"... and the moment they will get discoverd we all will have to believe in it..no other choice

[kumarmohit]

If you can prove the existance of god, ill believe you. Why should i believe in something that cant be seen or felt.

If someone survive a plane crash, its all the credit goes to god, but who thinks of the thousand engeeneers at boieng/airbus who toiled day and night to ensure he/she survives in that scenario?
If the engineers were so good why did the plane crash in the first place.LOL

If you walk near the siddhivinayak temple you will see 'bout a score of CCTV cameras but just a few kilometers from it Nehru center stays defence less. This clearly shows the degradation of learing at the hands of religion.

If the temple is attacked do you have any idea how much unrest will it create, Nehru center, if attacked will be a reason of what, minor criticism for security machinery, remember the IIT professor was killed, what happened?
The number of ppl having attachment to religious institutions is far greater than any elitist research or educational institution.

Surely if lesser money was pupmed into the temple's upkeep, roads, hospitals and research facilities could be improved.
Lets evaluate the options, (a) save many lives by improving hospitals, (b)help the desolate by enriching charities (c)improve develiopment by improving infrastructure (d) please god by making a gold/marble/granite/diamond temple.
Now you decide

If you have any idea how many hungry people are fed by langars etc in the religious institutions, how many charity hospitals are run by them, you would not have raised this point. See the end is always the public welfare its only the means that differ.

[mediator]

please accept the fact that they are indeed stories

I accept that they were facts and only and an ignorant person who has evidences in front of him can think absurdly that they were stories!


, everyone knows that.

Everyone who has a sense of judgement, spirit of questioning don't fit in ur category! If u think they r stories then it doesn't mean everyone's like u!


And as far as the bridging of India and Sri-Lanka goes, thats how the earth is, some part of it is under water some part is above water, but if all the water is removed, then the whole earth is connected, so the bridge thing is just an elevated part of earth which is above water currently and looks like a bridge.

Don't mind, but that's the most absurd and stupid reason I have ever heard. Neways who will remove that water?? Will u? My dear if all the water is removed, then u wont be here to giving such an absurd reasoning as humans can't stay alive without water, u won't have fish to eat and many things.
The "but if" factor that u brought so insanely and absurdly can really make any one piss off in a debate of intellects! Likewise I can also say absurdly, that We ruled the earth in the past but what if a comet hit the earth n may have wiped off the most human race then? How can u prove u follow the bloodline of ur great great great great grandfather? What if u have been born as a test tube baby??

So u see its easy to make expert comments and its human nature too that one often makes expert comments when he doesn't know anything on the topic and is absolutely ignorant about it. So if u see clearly then u'll see the facts that the bridge is built by the same stones as mentioned in Ramayan.

I guess u also come in the category of those Indians who will tend to believe the foreigners but won't listen to his countrymen. I guess its because of people like u who tend to neglect their culture, their vedic knowledge because of which the theorams, formulae and the discoveries r named after foreigners. If people were aware of India's richness of the past in masses, then who r foreigners to name these things and discoveries after their name?? We wud have been leading by now if all the people like u wud have been proud of ur culture and knowledge of the past.

So I guess u'll believe the americans better. Here's the link n the sources in it read em in detail n carefully line by line+comments too!
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39340

[jal_desai]

I accept that they were facts and only and an ignorant person who has evidences in front of him can think absurdly that they were stories!


Everyone who has a sense of judgement, spirit of questioning don't fit in ur category! If u think they r stories then it doesn't mean everyone's like u!


Don't mind, but that's the most absurd and stupid reason I have ever heard. Neways who remove that water?? Will u? My dear if all the water is removed, then u wont be here to giving such an absurd reasoning as humans can't saty alive without water, u won't have fish to eat and many things.
The "but if" factor that u brought so insanely and absurdly can really make any one piss off in a debate of intellects! Likewise I can also say absurdly, that We ruled the earth in the past but what if a comet hit the earth n may have wiped off the most human race then? How can u prove u follow the bloodline of ur great great great great grandfather? What if u have been born as a test tube baby??

So u see its easy to make expert comments and its human nature too that one often makes expert comments when he doesn't know anything on the topic and is absolutely ignorant about it. So if u see clearly then u'll see the facts that the bridge is built by the same stones as mentioned in Ramayan.

I guess u also come in the category of those Indians who will tend to believe the foreigners but won't listen to his countrymen. So I guess u'll believe the americans better. Here's the link n the sources in it read em in detail n carefully line by line+comments too!
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39340


simply perfect.... mediator..

[zegulas]

I accept that they were facts and only and an ignorant person who has evidences in front of him can think absurdly that they were stories!


Everyone who has a sense of judgement, spirit of questioning don't fit in ur category! If u think they r stories then it doesn't mean everyone's like u!


Don't mind, but that's the most absurd and stupid reason I have ever heard. Neways who will remove that water?? Will u? My dear if all the water is removed, then u wont be here to giving such an absurd reasoning as humans can't stay alive without water, u won't have fish to eat and many things.
The "but if" factor that u brought so insanely and absurdly can really make any one piss off in a debate of intellects! Likewise I can also say absurdly, that We ruled the earth in the past but what if a comet hit the earth n may have wiped off the most human race then? How can u prove u follow the bloodline of ur great great great great grandfather? What if u have been born as a test tube baby??

So u see its easy to make expert comments and its human nature too that one often makes expert comments when he doesn't know anything on the topic and is absolutely ignorant about it. So if u see clearly then u'll see the facts that the bridge is built by the same stones as mentioned in Ramayan.

I guess u also come in the category of those Indians who will tend to believe the foreigners but won't listen to his countrymen. So I guess u'll believe the americans better. Here's the link n the sources in it read em in detail n carefully line by line+comments too!
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39340

Dude, why do you take each and every word literally? Removing water was just a hyperbole.
And well, if the forefathers were so intelligent, then they won't have extinct by a comet, because even we have the technology to get rid of any kind of a comet coming towards us!
And as far as my reasoning and believing in science goes, don't get to a conclusion on it, let the other forum members also decide. OK?

[Sykora]

I fail to see how :

>>> You can accept Monkeys flying while carrying mountains, as a fact.

>>> A man's chariot will sink to the ground, having always been 1 inch above it, once the man has told a lie.

>>> An archer's arrows, however well shot, can carry a man's head to the lap of his father, miles away.

>>> One can learn a mantra, recital of which will allow a woman to bear a child, who is the son of a god.

>>> One can dig a hole to the "nether world", a place where you can find an elephant which holds the earth up.

>>> 60,000 men can be burnt up when a man utters a syllable when he is angry.

>>> A couple can have 60,000 sons in the first place.

>>> One can fabricate a chakra out of a lock of matted hair, which will pursue one wherever he goes.

>>> You can pray to a god to be reborn as a man, so that you can kill one you don't like, cast yourself into a pyre, burn to death, be reborn as a man, so that when you finally approach that man in battle, he knows who you are, who you were, and refuses to fight you.

>>> A man can be born in two pieces, be put together, and be killed by ripping him apart with equal facility.

I also remember a story of how a sage drunk an entire ocean so that the people hiding in it could be killed more easily.

I'm not going to believe these things until scientific evidence is brought to bear, and I don't mind who does it, Indians or otherwise.

[mediator]

Dude, why do you take each and every word literally?

Coz thats how debate works. By facts, not by absurd reasoning,expert comments from someone ignorant about the topic or absurd examples!


Removing water was just a hyperbole.

And I request u not to eva bring this kind of absurd reasoning with an insane "but if" factor! If u have even a bit of intellect than u'll probably know what I'm talking about!


And well, if the forefathers were so intelligent, then they won't have extinct by a comet,

N what makes u think that? "What if" (like ur "but if") comet is twice the size of earth?


because even we have the technology to get rid of any kind of a comet coming towards us!

Are u kidding?? If u are a science student if u have even a little knowledge about science then u won't be saying such absurd things! Did nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki destroyed the earth?? Then how can it destroy a comet completely? Real things aren't as u see in movies or cartoon serials buddy!

Neways it all depends on the size of comet! If its small then it can be destroyed partially and be deflected ! If its big, then there's very very little chance of destroying it even partially. It may be deflected though and that too only marginally! Comet may be even more bigger that it may not be even possible to deflect it!

SO ur idea of "any kind of comet" being deflected is a little hard for even a superb scientist to understand! Now next don't say earth can be protected from Sun's Nova!

So I humbly request u to please either post facts, say something reasonable or quit posting ur expert comments coz later I can predict u'll be giving personal comments to me!


@Sykora, if u fail to see that, then I can make u see most of that. But did u read the link,sources n comments in those sources? Coz people like u have already made such comments and have been enlightened in those comments! U ask for scientific evidence? They r there. So read the link!

[naveen_reloaded]

http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39340...


i think this deals with great genius of our past century just like newton,einstien....they were able experiment....hence they showed results...our genius were not ablew to do anykind of these things hence they are just written forms...

i think we are talking about god here

[iMav]

a little late to the discussion and a little lazy to go thru it however my question ....

y havnt the scientists been able to proove tht God doesnt exist .... and besides dont most scientists visit holy places????

[mail2and]

See, both sides must understand each other's points. People who believe in god i.e. the existence of the almighty have every reason to believe in what they do.

I think atheists(more prominently leftists) should accept this fact. If a person believes that there was a bridge between India and Lanka, you've got to accept his views. You, personally, have got no proof that such a bridge did not exist, have you?

Religion is something that comforts a person, and is entirely personal to him. I'm only talking about Hinduism here. I don't know enough about other religions to state whether it is considered personal by its followers.

I'd like you to read an excellent article on religion by Bhagat Singh.

http://www.punjabilok.com/misc/freedom/whyiam_ath.htm

As for science and darwinism, both have progressed, but aren't perfect. There are still loopholes in science, there is still no cure for AIDS etc.

Look at the human body as an example. Science, despite its progress, can't create something with such finesse as the human body has been created.

In the end, I'd like to point out that I'm more proud of the Indian culture that has accepted so many religions, both native and foreign than in god. Indian religions like Buddhism have spread to different parts of the world, without any bloodshed at all. That speaks volumes of our culture. It's really not important who created what; in the end, it's important that you be a good person in life. That's what Indian culture teaches us.
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y havnt the scientists been able to proove tht God doesnt exist .... and besides dont most scientists visit holy places????

That's because science isn't nearly as perfect. I'd again like to say that religion is a private affair.

The scientist may believe in god, but it is also possible that through research, he may look out for alternate theories for evolution.

[naveen_reloaded]

a little late to the discussion and a little lazy to go thru it however my question ....

y havnt the scientists been able to proove tht God doesnt exist .... and besides dont most scientists visit holy places????



i think u remember the rhyms..... like twinkle twinkle....
things like that...why???

coz u were made to memorise right from ur childhood and u know one thing....those are the time when the brain of a child is growing in a rapid state and takes in and stores deeper into the unconsciuos state,,,wht i am saying is..

in our country from the childhood itself they preach...MAKE THEM PRACTICE(childrens) to love god(which doesnt exist) and worhship instead of teaching the child some good stuffs,innovative stuffs...or atleast leavbe the child to play!!!!!!

[mail2and]

in our country from the childhood itself they preach...MAKE THEM PRACTICE(childrens) to love god(which doesnt exist) and worhship instead of teaching the child some good stuffs,innovative stuffs...or atleast leavbe the child to play!!!!!!

Obviously, you know nothing about America and born-again Christians.(Bush is a prime example). Practicing religion is not a bad thing, how can it be bad?

If you think a person who practices religion is somehow lower than you, then I wouldn't comment on you much.

[iMav]

Obviously, you know nothing about America and born-again Christians.(Bush is a prime example). Practicing religion is not a bad thing, how can it be bad?

If you think a person who practices religion is somehow lower than you, then I wouldn't comment on you much. bang on target .... dont americans go to church don world muslims go to mosques, i wonder y was the vatican built was it for Indians???

[naveen_reloaded]

Obviously, you know nothing about America and born-again Christians.(Bush is a prime example). Practicing religion is not a bad thing, how can it be bad?

If you think a person who practices religion is somehow lower than you, then I wouldn't comment on you much.


i think u shouldnt even compare or think about americans with our country....

do u think thier system and ours is one???

no way...

there a boy starts his life when he enters the college itself...they leave them open to the society...and as a result..the survival of the fittest...they innovate,think,invent,improve,.....

thats why they are leading and we are following them...
yes i do agree...india too has brilliant students.../children....

whts the use???

are they been left to face the society alone??no they are spoon fed at all levels....
and one think that is hiundering young age children is the belief of GOD....
how many hours a week a child or parents spending in going to temple..or church..or mosque whtever it may be...LOADS OF `EM!!!!

yes i do believe TEMPLE,CHURCH,MOSQUE are place of relaxation, an outlet from this busy world...

but invovling too much and preaching others the wrong belief....person who take advantages of these really innocent people and takin money from them should be curbed with atmost punishment...

believe in science and realise many things than believing in something which doesnt not exist...
proof of nonexistence of god is its nonexistence itself!!!!!

SCIENCE IS GOD!!!

[karmanya]

)guys.......
logic tells us that the universe started from something right? now one of the theories (i think i read it in a novel) is that the unvierse came from energy that a huge mass of energy did something and changed to matter. (i think this is from angels and demons), now this energy could in my definition be called god i dont think that there is honestly a ram, lakshmi or even vishnu looking down at us. but a lot of good things happen in the name of god and so how does it matter i mean as long as you dont go overboard in ure beliefs and kill ppl who believe the same thing you do i think u should just think about it. As of me i personally could be called agnostic as i think of god to be a mass of life (call it living energy) i know this is sounding stupid but i just dont belive that are actions are watched over by some dudes up in the sky (i wonder is the hve LCDs there lol). another intresting read is FOOTPRINTS OF GOD by Greg Iles, it is again sience fiction but is quite cool at the end of the day "yay to bande ki belief hai yaar aur doosre ki belief par kyo apna time waste kare? unki belief to change honi hi nahi"

[MysticHalo]

I dont know, I dont care and it doesnt make a Difference (thats what einstein said...i s'pose he was asked the same question :D )

[planetcall]

What happened to all your "proofs" after that time? Why do we recognize John Logie baird as the inventor of Radar and not Sanjeeva? Why are we not able to clone now, if ostensibly cloning was possible then?
They are proofs only if you believe that they took place at all, which will fall back to a decision of whether or not you believe in mysticism...

Well said buddy. You are the perfect example of the effect of the so called modern education system prevailing in India. We are not being told the greatness of our culture rather we are being shown the greatness of the west and the modern scientific society. Alas! you never thought of digging deep and delve into deciphering of the Indian science, once we were master of. Nevertheless, we fortunately have a great thread running in this forum(http://tinyurl.com/w2mj5). You must read it before making such remarks. Galileo made the Tlelescope.....isnt it? Yes, he did but how did indians knew of other planets since centuries ? You never thought of this question simply because you have not been given the education related to your root. The hierarchy to which you belong. The culture and the great trait of which you are a part. Try digging a bit deeper buddy. The mysticism you call are more factual than you have ever imagined. Open your eyes.


Now coming to this thread. Well, first of all the God has different meanings for different people. I dont believe in any idol worship but yes, there is something called god. He is the one who is everywhere and in everything. He is the one who has well defined the laws of nature and is the supreme cause behind any other cause. He is the one which is undefined and unattributed.
What is paranormal ? It is something which doesnt seem normal today but you can not guarantee if it would be paranormal tomorrow. As I have said before, something you dont know of is not necessarily what doesnt exist or might not have existed before.
I dont criticise modern science nor I am against any civilization or its distinct heroic identities but those who favour newton or any such other great persona at the cost of our civilisation and our great Philosophies which are the result of thousands of years of thinking and debate, should look at their understanding of Indian Philosophies. God is the one who is not the otherone(अद्वैत). Making blind remarks over the subject which you have no knowledge of the other side automatically nullifies your logic. Many consider GOD as a person/character who is being worshipped by millions.
It is really funny when there are people talking about something as complex as almighty, considering him something sort of a visible item. Dont compare him to what many of you have grown up with. He is not superman or Batman incase you are looking the definition in it.
http://smilieland.com/graphics3/superman.gif

[xyzsuhas]

Both God & religion are concepts formulated by man(You dont see animals going to temples or singing prayers). God was created to explain things for which man did not have any answers. Religion is something personal which man believes in to keep himself in control, disciplined, and free from bad habits.

[cyberscriber]

me too an atheist..

Cheers
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Both God & religion are concepts formulated by man(You dont see animals going to temples or singing prayers). God was created to explain things for which man did not have any answers. Religion is something personal which man believes in to keep himself in control, disciplined, and free from bad habits.
to be precise, God is greatest invention of man ;)
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Galileo made the Tlelescope.....isnt it? Yes, he did but how did indians knew of other planets since centuries ?

Our own indians also said that something is eating the moon and sun during eclipses ( and probably sh***ing after that ). Dont tell this to Americans, they'll laugh at us even more.

[planetcall]

^^^

You may be one of those maniacs who eye AMERICA for their every comparison.
What do you mean by "they will laugh at us even more". Lol you sit in your couch thinking about how to stop americans from laughing at us. Did you ever try to think or ponder over the topic we are discussing over and do a little research over it before giving you such a lame remark? Your last sentence itself shows your attitude towards yourself and the great civilization you are a part of.
Because of that last sentence above post is not worth replying to!
http://imagehost.biz/ims/pictes/209034.gif

[mediator]

^^^^ Absolutely correct!
@cyberscriber : "Inferiority Complex" is the disease I'll say ur suffering from and feel wheneva u see an American or a white skinned guy standing in front of u or around u!! Ur still not free from such psychological complex! Do u form ur outlooks like that normally by thinking what americans will say?? Don't u have ur own independent outlook!!

Well ur an atheist! So u shud also know that most of these Americans are Christians and follow their religions like most other religious people do! They also have theories like earth created in 6 days by "God"!!

I know u'll ponder about that coz its more "American" and laugh at similar things associated with ur own religion.

Neways I find Americans much puny as compared to Indians.

[Lucky_star]

Those who say Science is mightier:
Why don't they create a "human" from their Scientific innovations??
Mankind doesn't have an answer to many hidden mysteries. He has control over only a certain number of Parameters, rest is beyond his scope. When anything unnatural happens we try to link it as one of the deeds of God. Even doctors say before an operation that they have 99% of success in their hands; they leave the rest 1% with God. Why do they say so? There is ofcourse a superpower called God which will always remains above the defintions which Science can give...

[cyberscriber]

@planetcall
Jus recall what you have posted before replying.

We are not being told the greatness of our culture rather we are being shown the greatness of the west and the modern scientific society.

Is these crappy superstitions were the greatness of our culture to be told??
So all these days you were researching those useless superstitions? lol.

I know that Indians were rulers and Europeans were ape men centuries ago. Then why did India became a poor country? Thats because of these superstitions and religious dominations. Help India to develop economy, technology and education. Don't pass these superstitions to coming generations to follow.

I suggest you a few useful topics to research -> Evolution, Universe, Big bang and Darvin's Principle.

IMAO,
GOD ( which is invented by man ) IS THE ROOT CAUSE OF ALL EVILS
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^^^^ Absolutely correct!
@cyberscriber : "Inferiority Complex" is the disease I'll say ur suffering from and feel wheneva u see an American or a white skinned guy standing in front of u or around u!! Ur still not free from such psychological complex! Do u form ur outlooks like that normally by thinking what americans will say?? Don't u have ur own independent outlook!!

Well ur an atheist! So u shud also know that most of these Americans are Christians and follow their religions like most other religious people do! They also have theories like earth created in 6 days by "God"!!

I know u'll ponder about that coz its more "American" and laugh at similar things associated with ur own religion.

Neways I find Americans much puny as compared to Indians.
I never said i'm attracted to Americans. We are more intelligent than them. But also we have these superstitions spreading like disease.
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Those who say Science is mightier:
Why don't they create a "human" from their Scientific innovations??
Mankind doesn't have an answer to many hidden mysteries. He has control over only a certain number of Parameters, rest is beyond his scope. When anything unnatural happens we try to link it as one of the deeds of God. Even doctors say before an operation that they have 99% of success in their hands; they leave the rest 1% with God. Why do they say so? There is ofcourse a superpower called God which will always remains above the defintions which Science can give...
Doctors are not scientists. They are also one among us, and brought up with the same beliefs. And the reason they say like that is comfort them psychologically.

[OPTUMS PRIME]

God Made A Super Computer Is World And We Are A Component.he Can Overclock Every Thing And When He Want To Restart Or Shut Down The System (world)then He Can Do It Very Easily.he Is Matchless & Wordless. I Have No Words To Say About Him.

Thanks

[Lucky_star]

@planetcall
Jus recall what you have posted before replying.



Is these crappy superstitions were the greatness of our culture to be told??
So all these days you were researching those useless superstitions? lol.

I know that Indians were rulers and Europeans were ape men centuries ago. Then why did India became a poor country? Thats because of these superstitions and religious dominations. Help India to develop economy, technology and education. Don't pass these superstitions to coming generations to follow.

I suggest you a few useful topics to research -> Evolution, Universe, Big bang and Darvin's Principle.

IMAO,
GOD ( which is invented by man ) IS THE ROOT CAUSE OF ALL EVILS
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I never said i'm attracted to Americans. We are more intelligent than them. But also we have these superstitions spreading like disease.
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Doctors are not scientists. They are also one among us, and brought up with the same beliefs. And the reason they say like that is comfort them psychologically.



Have You ever been in a situation where you relied on God? If you did, then why??

[cyberscriber]

Have You ever been in a situation where you relied on God? If you did, then why??

I never relied on god. If anything is out of control, man tend to believe god, which may in turn comfort him psychologically. But i'm not so.

[planetcall]

Mr Cyberscriber ! I need not reply to you as I already have posted enough in this thread which you didnt cater to read before posting and which already replies to your attitude towards something which you know not a single bit. Try to evolve beyond the school books and develop an independent way of thinking. Before you comment on , go through what others are saying. Instead of this crib if you would have commented over what proofs I and others have given in favour of topic then it would have been more appreciable. I hope your next post is going to be an intelligent reply.

[Lucky_star]

Mr Cyberscriber ! I need not reply to you as I already have posted enough in this thread which you didnt cater to read before posting and which already replies to your attitude towards something which you know not a single bit. Try to evolve beyond the school books and develop an independent way of thinking. Before you comment on , go through what others are saying. Instead of this crib if you would have commented over what proofs I and others have given in favour of topic then it would have been more appreciable. I hope your next post is going to be an intelligent reply.


You got my point!:)

[cyberscriber]

Mr Cyberscriber ! I need not reply to you as I already have posted enough in this thread which you didnt cater to read before posting and which already replies to your attitude towards something which you know not a single bit. Try to evolve beyond the school books and develop an independent way of thinking. Before you comment on , go through what others are saying. Instead of this crib if you would have commented over what proofs I and others have given in favour of topic then it would have been more appreciable. I hope your next post is going to be an intelligent reply.

Mr planetcall! Try to evolve beyond beliefs and develop an independent way of thinking. These proofs (as you say) are just manuscripts written by people some 1000 to 5000 years ago. And they did that to form a political community in the name of religion. These writings include, the bible, quran, or ramayana or whatever. You call them proofs?? I believe there are No scientific proofs.
This reply is intelligent enough!

[ratedrsuperstar]

scientology is the best but no one before GOD but i don't give a damn for any religion any religious rituals

[iMav]

cyberscriber i think u just called the ramayana a work of fiction well if its so then i guess its the best selling fiction novell in human historybesdides proove to me tht none of wat is wriiten is true

il give an example might sound absurd to some but think abt it:

today man is using a bluetooth device which is cordless small in size to talk to some1 in another end of the world v hav cams tht transmit sumthing in outer space to earth y is it not possible for a blind man to see the happenings of war in another end of the world

[mediator]

Mr planetcall! Try to evolve beyond beliefs and develop an independent way of thinking. These proofs (as you say) are just manuscripts written by people some 1000 to 5000 years ago. And they did that to form a political community in the name of religion. These writings include, the bible, quran, or ramayana or whatever. You call them proofs?? I believe there are No scientific proofs.
This reply is intelligent enough!

U need proofs?? Read this (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39340) carefully!! U might not be believing what Indians say, but it seems u like to believe wat americans say. The prrofs are there supported by scientific explanations!!

Yea there are superstitions and thats what happens when epics like these are told by one generation to next. Twistings are produced!! Read a full fledged Mahabharata,Ramayana written in Sanskrit to remove all ur superstitions coz words loose their meaning when translated from mighty Sanskrit,Hindi,any Indian Language to puny English language.

Neways some 1000-5000 years after people like u might think that Gandhiji was also a fictitious story character! Thats the human nature!


I know that Indians were rulers and Europeans were ape men centuries ago. Then why did India became a poor country? Thats because of these superstitions and religious dominations. Help India to develop economy, technology and education. Don't pass these superstitions to coming generations to follow.

I suggest you a few useful topics to research -> Evolution, Universe, Big bang and Darvin's Principle.

I have never seen neone who believes in science being superstitous! The richness of our culture was there. The proof is there. The Amercian's opinion that u consider so much before forming ur own is there. The whole world has evidences based on scientifics facts now. So read em. Read the link I gave!
Its OK to question, but before giving ur expert comments u shud read India's history and timeline, how things changed, violence was there, Mughals razed temples,scriptures,idols,paintings etc and then came ur fellow foreigners!! So read India's history and get enlightened how it got poor and Vedic books destroyed!

Yes we shudn't pass superstitions, but the facts! And u please help India to develop economy, technology and education by thinking beyond what u can see. If the world was filled with such people who cudn't think beyond and kept making expert comments, calling every one idiot whom they didn't believe etc then I'm afraid the world wudn't have been so technologically advanced as its now!! So think whats probablistic and whats possible and think how cud it have happened and relate it to science instead making ur expert opinions! Thats how ur Americans work. So its time u work like em and I promise American's wont laugh!!

Neways Unvierse evolution,Big bang etc if u know aren't facts. They r just theories put forward!! Now don't laugh at them and call em superstitious! Since Big bang seems most probabilistic, we keep on reading about it everywhere! They are not facts yet, but theories trying to become facts!
Likewise Ancients Indians knew much before ur fellow Americans that world was round and about planets (astrology)etc. We have lost much of our ancient books, but some knowledge is still there like Vedic mathematics (complete maths),Ayurveda(complete description of human diseases and cure) . Don't laugh at them again, coz its ur Fellow Amercians who r shocked to see how great these Vedic things are. They r trying to learn about it, read newspapers and u'll knwo what I'm saying. So u better learn about em too! After all u prefer what Americans think rather than what u think!!

So njoy read the link and sources+comments in those sources!! All evidences+ based on scientific facts!!

[sanddy]

ofcourse "GOD" else neither u would have been there nor i

[faraaz]

I voted for the God option, but only because that was the closest thing to what I wanted to say.

Where's the Science + God option?? You do realise that its not a mutually exclusive statement!

Atleast, IMO...there is of course, God in the role of Creator and all that, and science explains how these things happen.

I mean, to quote Pratchett, people ask for proof of God through miracles, but what more do you want than making wine from sunlight? Or water from thin air?? Of course...its all explained through science so apparently its not a miracle...WTF?!? Just cuz you understand the physics/chemistry/biology involved doesn't mean its any less of a miracle! This stuff doesn't happen by chance you know...

So yeah...edit poll!

[planetcall]

faraaz i agree to your stand to certain extent. But I dont agree to see God and Science in segregated manner. Gita stresses on science, also Brahma says that he likes Vigyan more in the various categories of Gyan. So again and again our culture has stressed upon the science and knowledge. It was this firm believe that led to the mighty development of our culture both scientifically and spiritually. I believe, if you have faith in god, you have faith in nature and all its charateristics. Whatever is happening around you is not miracle. It is all bound to the laws of that ultimate creator. But this law, the creator, you and this universe in itself is a miracle. The ultimate truth beyond which there is nothing. The ultimate logic the description of which itself is illogical

[iMav]

^^agree with totally

[Apollo]

I've heard this too many times that religious sentiments can be anti-scientific, be that in certain cases or as a whole. As far as I know, I don't think any religion prohibits its followers from attaining excellency in their karma. Do you?

If at all there is such a line of thinking then it has fallen into dotage.

[faraaz]

If you think about it, all this religion vs. science antagonism came about because of Western ideologies...I mean think about it...

Bible says Earth is in the centre of the Earth and poor Kepler & Copernicus and Galileo et. al burned for it...

Quran and Vedas and all were light years ahead cuz they kept saying the correct stuff all along ANYWAY! :P

Also...its the Americans/UK'ers who keep arguing against science and religion being co-existing schools of thought because their social background dictates that...

So if you think about it, this stuff doesn't REALLY apply to Indian theology, which is based on science in the first place...

MERA BHARAT MAHAAN! :D

[iMav]

west always wants to proove and insist tht it is way ahead of others

[Apollo]

There is no point in considering science and paranormal science as two different entities.... they are same but what i think is .... paranormal science is forward than logical science....

Proofs to support me:

((1)). every thing tht we see today WAS there in the past... we know tht in mahabharata, dhritirashtra had 100 sons (kauravas)... a female cannot give birth to 100 sons and what about the age difference beetween the first and the last son (logic lagaao!) it should be minimum 100 yrs right?????? wrong... because they used some techniques in the form of rituals which we now know as --- CLONING..... Kauravas were the example of HUMAN CLONING

((2)) We also know tht Agatsya (a mahabharata character) was born in a pot... (ghada) .. --- A Perfect Example of TEST TUBE BABY.

((3)) In Ramayan, the evil RAVAN had a swan-like plane tht used to defy gravity and go in to the air.... so we have a proof tht the LAWS OF AERODYNAMICS WERE PRESENT AT THT TIME...

((4)) In Mahabharata and Ramayan it is written tht when, during a war, a person would shoot an arrow then various kinds of outcome would occur... they were using mantras to affect the other party.... AN EXAMPLE OF HAND-HELD MISSILES which are on the verge to become popular in military nowadays.

((5)) In mahabharata, during the final war, SANJEEV (--saarthi of dhritarashtra) was given a boon to SEE the war while sittin home and narrate it to blind rajah...... --- AN OBVIOUS EXAMPLE OF RADAR/TELEVISION (DOORDARSHAN to be very precise)...... (and now we say tht JOHN LOGIE BAIRD was the inventor of TV...?? HUH)



so, these technologies were present thousands of yrs ago.... but they were rediscovered again...
OTHER INVENTION, THT I THINK, WILL TAKE PLACE IN FUTURE IS TO GET INVISIBLE....
In those epics there is a mention about ppl dissapering at one place and appearing at some other place the very moment.... tht technology is yet to be discovered...


LOGICAL SCIENCE is just lagging behind the PARANORMAL SCIENCE... else they both are on the VERY SAME TRACK.


Lets talk about LAWS.

Were not the Laws of Motion there before Newton????

Was not E=mc2 true before einstein actually found it????

Was not light a WAVE or PARTICLE at the time when dinosours roamed on this planet???

Would not 365 days make a year when man just learnt how to light fire???

A famous quote i wud like to put here from the film Men in Black: "1500 YEARS AGO EVERYBODY KNEW THT EARTH IS FLAT... 500 YEARS AGO EVERYBODY KNEW THT EARTH IS IN THE CENTRE OF THE UNIVERSE... 5 MINS AGO WE ALL KNEW THT WE ARE ALONE...But we were wrong"

Aise to kitne saare laws honge jo abhi tak DISCOVER nahi huye.. they are there .... at this very moment while u are reading this... these undiscovered laws are affecting you.. but AS THEY ARE NOT LOGICALLY DISCOVERED,,,, WE CALL THEM A SUPERNATURAL PHENOMENA....


so as a matter of fact... PARANORMAL SCIENCE , which some of us call GOD... some may call a MATTER OF CHANCE.... or sometimes even LUCK.... this PARANORMAL SCIENCE which we call it today...... will be called LOGICAL SCIENCE in future....

Digitally yours,
Jal
I marvel at your ability to draw parallels between two eras viz. myth and present. The type of technological and medical advancements that are claimed to have been existed then... Wow!

I am not mocking you in condescension. I think such claims are a bit too far-fetched. I'll quote a line from the Holy Bible:

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1

To have faith in something itself means to believe in something that has no proof, as far as religion goes - one is expected to follow it blindly. A human cannot give birth to 100 offsprings, if nature has its way. Yet making a factual assumption on such myths to draw conclusions, and relating it with modern progressive science defeats the very purpose of having faith in it in the first place. (If Kauravas were cloned, did Gandhari ordered all the physicians/doctors of her time to be executed? The Ayurveda speaks of skin grafts and plastic surgery... did they forget to add pointers on cloning?)

I agree with your views though that the process of scientific discovery and understanding has a long way to go. But I deem it unwise to explore religious scriptures with an intention of finding justifiable scientific answers to certain bygone events.

[planetcall]

^^ Apollo,
I appreciate your post as you have not posted something completely illogical as many others. I would love to reply to your point.
First you have to refine some of your knowledge about vedas. Vedas are not the text of science written in simple paras as we find in modern age text books. They were written by people with exotic talent and it follows the trait of encryption of that time. We have many sanskrit shlokas and sutras well clubbed into tiny rhymes. You know why ? There are many answers to it but for general understanding I would say that it makes it interesting and easy to learn. Veda contains plethora of knowledge all in the form of those sutras. I have cited some examples before in this thread (sapta rashmi...). You have to unearth those hidden knowledge pieces and have to understand it. If you are a lay person like many others then veda itself on first glance seems nothing but chants written to please gods. But there is more to it. People dont know because they never have the motivation or the time to look into it.
Exploration of past for something unbelievable is not completely wrong because you got reasons for it. The reasons which you have to agree. Lets not talk of gandhari and 100 sons. Talk of our astrology. I am taking this example because this tradition has followed until today with many of its ancient science inherited in it. Tell me how they found the planets and its various scientific attributes like angle of axis,speed,rotation and revolution times,color etc. You have to agree that they had this information milleniums before gallileo. They didnt have telescope. So, try to think what could have existed and how it could have lost. Story tells of Duryodhana hiding inside the pond in a bubble after the battle. You see....it is not yet possible but i see it in near future with some advance chemistry involved. Also, see the example of Vedic mathematics. most of it is lost but still we have a few glimpses left of it. Nikhilam Ch and ekadhiken purven , are one of the most powerful sutras in it which are repeated and reused in variety of scenarios. Similar is the case with most of our ancient books. Think buddy. I dont say you agree to me, rather I would ask you to ponder and be logical in your approach.

[jp23]

First i'll ask a question; I stumbled upon this site during my daily misadventuring on the 'net - Is this a predominantly Indian occupied website? If so, you'll have to excuse the presence of my luminous white ass for now, at least until the topic of conversation changes.

Secondly, the brunt of my discussion. I'm not so narrow minded to believe i could offer a complete, comprehensive answer to perhaps the number one question of human kind. However, i will call things how i see them, and the first flaw in the arguement upon this board is this - Science is not in conflict with God, because in order for there to be a debate between the existence of God and science, science's existence would reasonably have to be in question. We all know that science exists, we see it's tangible proof every time we log on to the computer, among countless other activities that indeed rely upon the advances of our technological pursuit.

So for me, it's not a question of science's existence, but *where* science aligns itself with the greater power. I'm a Christian, and i don't mind saying that even though it might garner some opposition from the atheists around. Bluntly speaking, my belief is that God didn't give us science, God gave us analytical minds and a world full of choice - from there it was probably inevitable that science would come to fruition. I believe that the presence of science in our world leads to the conclusion that our scientific journey of discovery is intended to lead us to the existence of God. Believe it or not, there's an increasingly popular school of thought among some scientists that practiced atheism for the majority of their scientific careers that, at the end of their life's work they draw a personal conclusion; Divine Intelligence is the only viable answer to all the ominous questions surrounding our existence. I would tend to agree.

It's a sweeping generalisation of the topic at hand, but it's one that allows me to live my life without pondering unanswerable questions on a daily basis. Faith isn't about having tangible proof; The proof for me came when i really questioned what my beliefs were, peeled back all the levels of subconsious padding that my negative life experiences had put up and discovered at the very core of my existence was a soul. And there isn't a question penetrating enough that could make me question God's existence after an experience like that.

J.P.

[planetcall]

What is Science ??? It is the law of GOD. We can think of it as the rules defined by the almighty for the events to happen in this universe. See how one event is related to each other. Now we know that a coin tossed in air does have an effect on the asteroid near jupiter :), though it is negligible or infinitely small but certainly not NULL. Study of Science indeed makes you believe in the ultimate divinity even more. Indian Philosophy has stated it since beginning. The concept of soul and you being a part of that divinity is one of the core concepts of our Civilization. Knowing self is one of the steps towards enlightenment. A body, a chain of reactions, skeleton and the rest doesnt make this body a living object. There is something which is me, the very absence of which makes my body equivalent to any other object of this universe. I am distinct because that very entity exists in me.
Certainly, the concept of the soul is another proof of the existence of GOD. You were blessed to ponder over that question.

[tuxfan]

I have recently read quite a few things on this topic :) I shall post in detail some day soon when I have time.

Has anyone heard about Pascal's Wager (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager)? In addition to Wikipedia, there is a lot of material on this topic. Google it up. It gave me 300,000 links on the topic. :)

[Poon]

Hinduism has all the answers. God in Christian sense the father who came to earth and screwed a virgin is false. That means god is man and so we are discriminating women. ALL BASED ON FALSE BELIEFS AND FALSE FAITHS. OURS IS THE MOTHER OF ALL FAITHS. OF COURSE TODAY IT HAS BECOME CORRUPTED AND SPOILT SO I AM AN ATHIEST.

[faraaz]

^^ - Bit overarching, aren't we?

[Kenshin]

If god wud have existed..he wud have made ppl born with high-end mobiles and huge rigs.If god made us why didn't he made Cool softs and hardware by himself also.And if he is planning to make them...pls let them be freewares:D

[planetcall]

Poon, I would like to tell you that we are discussing over the existence of god and the concept of it that we all have. In this context, it would not be good if we start commenting over religions. There are certain things in every religion that might seem unacceptable to someone but we should not criticize it openly as you did. Indeed our religion is for all ("SANATAN DHARM") but it doesnt mean that people cant pursue their own faiths. Our religion has not been corrupted but yes, the stagnation it has reached to is detrimental. We will have to choose the evolutionary path so that we continue to flourish. Thatswhy I say, for the progress and prosperity we need to see towards our past and learn from it.
As per you, since your religion has spoilt and corrupted so you are an atheist. I dont accept that logic buddy. Try to know what your religion is. Our interpretations can be different. I myself do not believe in idol worship but I dont mind going to temples and or worshiping the idols. Our religion has so many branches and so many paths to salvation. Why dont you look for the one that suits you most ?

[naveen_reloaded]

one thing really sad is that we live in a advanced world and still we believe in myths and rumours.....
why cant we get our hand dirty and see for ourselves there is nothing a thing called GOd exist....and it does in the wold of creativity....

mahabaratha and ramayana are the worlds superior story with all the rich essence and creativity...

why did they create such an epic???

well the answer is simple .... if i tell u to do something...U wont do it...

but if i tell that doing that thing will bring wealth and fortune in ur future..(whether it happens or not is still bound to probabilty) u will definetly do it.....

thats is why they created ...those days people are really ignorant...and to teach is really hard...so there came the creative philosophy...where there is not limit for ur tales...just like harry potter,lord of the rings triology...


do u think harry Potter exist....if u do yes ..u should definetly consult a DOC!!!

if no then u should be damn sure that god also doesnt exist...

GUYS WHERE IS THE REALLY PROOF OF LIFE FOR GOD...???

let us do good thing...WE ARE GOD!!!!

[planetcall]

^^^ Naveen_reloaded, In this thread , there already have been written many evidences to prove the reality of the epics which you are thinking to be myth. The believe in myth you talking has already been answered by many others before in this thread. I would like if you could reply to those facts and logics instead of just putting what already has been nullified by logic.

[mihirvashist]

science is my choice....who has ever seen god in the first place

[Arsenal_Gunners]

superstitions lol

[planetcall]

Mihir, My question to you is to interpret GOD. Do it here and let me know what you mean by your remark there. An orphan has not seen his mother. Surely, he was born without a mother, isnt it ? Take time to go through all the posts in this thread.

Vimal_mehrotra, you are a Fresh Stock. Learn how not to SH[I]T around.

[caleb]

Scinece is a witness to the existence of God in everything that we see & discover...so how can I choose science over God?

Do not take offense...but believing ONLY in science, for me, is like beng the Businessman in the story below:

"Ah, the simple life!"

An American businessman was at the pier of a small Mexican coastal village when a small boat with just one fisherman docked. Inside the boat were several large yellow fin tuna. The American complimented the Mexican on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took to catch them.

The Mexican replied, “Only a little while.”

The American then asked why he didn't stay out longer and catch more fish.

The fisherman said he had enough to support his family's immediate needs.

The American then asked, “But what do you do with the rest of your time?”

The fisherman said, “I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, take siesta with my wife Maria. Then I stroll into the village each evening where I sip wine and play guitar with my amigos. I have a full and busy life, señor.”

The American scoffed, “I am a Harvard MBA and I could help you. You should spend more time fishing and with the proceeds, buy a bigger boat. With the proceeds from the bigger boat you could buy several boats. Eventually you would have a fleet of fishing boats. Instead of selling your catch to a middleman you would sell directly to the processor, eventually opening your own cannery. You would control the product, processing, and distribution. You would need to leave this small coastal fishing village and move to Mexico City, then Los Angeles, and eventually New York City where you would run your expanding enterprise.”

The fisherman asked, “But señor, how long will this all take?”

”Fifteen or twenty years.”

“But what then, señor?”

The American laughed and said, “That's the best part. When the time is right you would sell your company stock to the public and become very rich. You would make millions.”

“Millions, señor? Then what?”

The American said, “Then you would retire and move to a small coastal fishing village where you would sleep late, fish a little, play with your grandchildren, take siesta with your wife Maria, and stroll to the village in the evenings where you could sip wine and play your guitar with your amigos.”

[faraaz]

^^ - Agree completely!

[planetcall]

Caleb, truly said buddy. It all depends on one's interpretation of GOD. I don't see science being distinct from God itself. I need not emphasize much as it is posted already by me in this thread.

[mihirvashist]

Mihir, My question to you is to interpret GOD. Do it here and let me know what you mean by your remark there. An orphan has not seen his mother. Surely, he was born without a mother, isnt it ? Take time to go through all the posts in this thread.

Vimal_mehrotra, you are a Fresh Stock. Learn how not to SH[i]T around.

i didn't want 2 hurt anybody's feelings but still it is something i can't explain ...even if there is god i don't trust him ...i don't know why or maybe i know but can't express

[Aberforth]

Atheists haven't studied religion, how do they know whether its good or bad? So it is an assumption that religion is not scientific!

Do you really think so? I am an Atheist and I studied every religious book I can get hold of. Buddhism is the only religion which does not discriminate against science nor encourage it.

It is ironic, scientists don't need to explain science to relate with religion but religion needs to explain religion to fit science. Humans tend to rationalize and ultimately prove what they want to believe even if its illogical when you try to simplify. Heck I can prove Lord of The Rings is the word of God if I really want to.

[yzoc]

Science or God?

This sentence need to be reformulated to:
"G". God ?
"N". No God ?
&
"I". "No Science" (or science is an illusion) ?
"C". "Created Science" ?
"F". "Forever Pre-Existed Science" ?

And now, the right question is which of following combinations is right: "G"-"I", "G"-"C", "G"-"F", "N"-"I", "N"-"C", and "N"-"F"?

Moreover, Since the science we know in our days is not able to prove with physical evidences neither "A" nor "B" is the truth, Science need not to be comparable with God in the form of only "Science or God?"...

The science (we know) is too convincing due to our every day (material) needs. While, our soul is kind of too convinced that there is something out there (maybe a non-material) God.

So, the question could be rather:
- Does science (we know) be able to/will prove the existing/non-existing of God?
Or even maybe,
- Which one does science (we know) favor more: God or No God?

But, does it not look like if we are using something (such as science) based on our knowledge to prove something beyond our knowledge?

If God does exist based on the our actual reality, there is only his signs in this world that can be seen and interpreted, but not God HIMSelf.

[planetcall]

Aberforth, there are a few credible scientific explanations already given here in this thread in support of the existence of almighty. I would like you to apply your logic against them.

[fatguysmart]

God for Me!
Science in its place and God at a place above it!

[eagle_y2j]

God rule.............................................. .........................

[Shikher_neo]

Well I have a lot to say in this regard but it would better be iteractive.
So do notmind posting anything in this regard even via private messages.
I think we need both religion as well as science to survive.God for spiritual power and science for temporal.But if talked about a choice both of them lead to the same ultimate junction-God.Whether its the Big Bang or the genesis,T the place we finall y look for ig is God.Recent discoveries at CERN in Switzerland show that even after a significant revealation we find that God is indispensable whether you talk about creation of the uinverse in Scientific or in Religious parlance.
That is enough for now i guess.
Bye

[sre06]

answer of this question only can give a person named einstain
go and ask his theory of relativity where he say matter is wave and wave is matter so we cant see god

[keves2002]

my vote goes 2 GOD

[dOm1naTOr]

Can anyone explain the science behind will power or mind power. I mean have u seen someone bending a spoon or similar things with pure mind power??

Is there any science behind it?
__________
Is there any scientific explanation for hipnotisn, pranic healing or rayki? i dun think so. But these are accepted worldwide nd needs no proof for its existance.

[baccilus]

God is the science behind science. It can't be seen, or felt by the 5 senses we have. It's difficult to believe in God because man doesn't believe in what he can't see, hear or feel. But the only way to know God is through faith and belief.

[dOm1naTOr]

@koolbluez
cool story man...keep up.

[NIGHTMARE]

:evil: GOD IS MAIN COMPUTER AND WE R A COMPONENT AND WORLD NEVER SHUTDOWN ONLY GOD HAVING AUTHORITY TO CHANGE OS OR FORMAT EARTH HARD DISK HE MAKE NEW PROGRAM AND WHEN HE WANTS TO OR CHANGE HE CAN DO VERY EASILY NO BODY CAN STOP HIM OR SCIENCE.


MY VOTE GOES FOR GOD.

[naveen_reloaded]

:evil: GOD IS MAIN COMPUTER AND WE R A COMPONENT AND WORLD NEVER SHUTDOWN ONLY GOD HAVING AUTHORITY TO CHANGE OS OR FORMAT EARTH HARD DISK HE MAKE NEW PROGRAM AND WHEN HE WANTS TO OR CHANGE HE CAN DO VERY EASILY NO BODY CAN STOP HIM OR SCIENCE.


MY VOTE GOES FOR GOD.


thaat was funny....

good imagination

[Lucky_star]

God is the science behind science. It can't be seen, or felt by the 5 senses we have. It's difficult to believe in God because man doesn't believe in what he can't see, hear or feel. But the only way to know God is through faith and belief.

^^I agree to that

[planetcall]

^^ I disagree to that.
You can establish the existence of almighty through logic and reasoning as well. I and a few others have already done that in this thread.

[rajasekharan]

Belief of god and path of science is required for a proper living . One cannot survive with out other . Too much god has created religion "the pure cause of war if wrongly used ". And science "nuclear weapons " a disaster if used wrong .both cannot survive with out another . We need scientist to get relief from religion and vice versa .we need both :-).

[debasish]

I believe that the the whole god thing is xplained very well by the matrix! infact matrix is the scientific explanation of the existence of god

[rajasekharan]

i have not watched matrix....just watched part 1 ....did not like it.....skipped all...:), i liked LOTR far more ...in case of trilogy ...:)

[caleb]

God

[Bancho]

where god man? everything is science

[Kniwor]

Who's this god anyway? so much fuzz about him? never seen the fella on TV or something!!!

Does he have a blog I can visit, his homepage?

[Vyasram]

Science coz i blive there's no such thing as god.

I Kinda laugh when ppl think of earth being created in six days, puranas, greek mythology......

Can anyone explain the science behind will power or mind power. I mean have u seen someone bending a spoon or similar things with pure mind power??

Is there any science behind it?

lolz, everything u've asked have science behind them. Use wikipedia for hypnotism, pranic healing,

reg mind power
itz all nerves, impulses, hormones....... though we haven't understood them fully, we are learning that scientifically day by day

if someone blives in god, it acts as a psychological boost for him in his every activity and helps him, he also follows a principle of not doing wrong things, but some a$$holes use the same reason for doing wrong things with the belief that they can always ask for pardon from God ( most bigshots are like that these days)

religion and god were created by sages/pphilosophers for the above said purpose, to help humans...... but that's not the case today, religions are slowly becoming the pathway to destruction with some ppl being biased to ppl of their own religion


There's a good saying "God helps those who help themselves" ! I don't believe in god n the quote directly means "That we shud help ourselves instead of relying on God" ! God is a fictitious character for me and we pray to him only to get our innards awakened!
As far as religion is concerned that was discussed long time back. Neways for me religion means spirituality + pieces of wisdom ! Speaking of ghosts is beyond my thinking!

good post

for me religion = pieces of wisdom

See dude, as far as you will believe in God, you won't be able to find the truth, just for the sake of finding the truth behind everything, try this, don't believe in God for one day and see what happens. I am preety sure nothing different will happen, because even I believe in Science, because it can explain things and the idea of God (created everything), is just like a curtain put in front of your eyes, to keep you away from the reality.

the best post in the thread. wud help u save 5-15 mins a day on an average
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Our own indians also said that something is eating the moon and sun during eclipses ( and probably sh***ing after that ). Dont tell this to Americans, they'll laugh at us even more.

seems like americans didnt exist back then. Many americans blive in ghosts than indians do even now(see such progs in natgeo/star world), i'll die laughing if i watch that one more time. Superstitions exitst in every religion and every civilization.

but everyone civilization i know of ( except some african ones) follow the superstition called Godism
__________
ofcourse "GOD" else neither u would have been there nor i

wow, there's no god, and i''m here safe and sound ...... dunno abt u :D

[planetcall]

^^ did you read

http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=343989&postcount=60
&
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=349274&postcount=78

??

[rajasekharan]

i think we need both...i have already said that early....weather there is god or not is a belief according to each individual and depending on the peoples he interacts with , the society around him and the way he sees life....and it will be different for each....i believe i need both , and one cannot survive with out the other...:)

[naveen_reloaded]

do good
be good .....

U R GOD!!!

wht do u say guys???

[brutality9k]

god is just someone u can blame when u screw up

Failed in exam = my bad luck
Unsuccesful in something = It was not the wish of god

Success somewhere = It was my hardwork & determination. Why don't u say, it was gods wish for me to prevail

Like Bush said, "God has send me to do his job (in iraq)" once in TV

Personally I do not believe in god, i have been to temple only 5 times in life :D. That too during critical exam results or some strict family policy, but yeah i do like the sweets served

[planetcall]

Thanks for your opinions brutality. But you spilled nothing worth replying to. I also seldom go to temples but I do believe in almighty and my reasons are embedded deep at the heart of this thread.

[emcm]

God is behind everything on this wold and if you don,t know now you know...........

[__Virus__]

God for me :)

[avinandan]

Well if GOD really does exist I would request him to prove his existence and atleast give me his cell phone no. or e-mail ID (I think God too would be a techno geek). Seriously, I would ask anyone who believes in God or ghosts to provide sufficient evidence. I wonder why i hav'nt seen them if they really do exist.

[astro]

Hi,
I am new here. I think everyone desperately wants a saviour(God) for their lives. Even when they cant find one, they will continue looking because they cant imagine living their life all alone unprotected by the perils they see around the world.

I have a blog and have posted on this matter.Please visit and comment.Thanks

http://onefinespace.blogspot.com/

[Sand]

Some Animals of this world cannot see certain colors, that does not mean those colors do not exist but that color does not have to prove to that dumb animal that it exists just because that dumb animal is demanding it.

Like it or lump it, God does not need to prove himself...he is not an elected represetitive of a government neither is he a public servent. When I gave birth to my child I saw a small sample of God's creation and I need no proof that he exists. Let us prove ourselves to be worthy humans first before questioning if he exists or not.

[ssdivisiongermany1933]

God, for non believers god doesn't exist but for believers god exist

[blademast3r]

Its GOD!!! has to be GOD...GOD is science,GOD is the universe and everything, GOD is around us and within us....Jus cos we today understand this world better with all the scientific advancements it doesnt mean we can deny the existance of the very creator... (pls dont get me wrong im not some anti-techno sadhu i'm a science student myself and believe in the power of science)....

To all u ' science is the ultimate answer atheists' here is the scientific explanation for god!!

Concider god to be an infinite source of energy, take some of this energy and use a formula which a fella called Einstein had given : E=mc^2
convert it to mass lil by lil and make up the whole universe and everything in it!!!

[ssdivisiongermany1933]

Atheist Study religion and see the results

[amitava82]

nothing gonna change my mind unless u present your god in front of me..:D
PROUD TO BE ATHEIST :twisted:

[blademast3r]

nothing gonna change my mind unless u present your god in front of me..:D
PROUD TO BE ATHEIST :twisted:
and nothin will cange till u disprove god in front of me!!

[koolbluez]

There was a joke for thoughts on this sometime back....

A scientist went to God and said..."U r not the best now... With the help of science, I can do whatever u can do. I can make a black hole, I can make living tissue, I can change the course of entire planets... I can do whatever u can!!!"
God remained calm.
Seeing this and wanting to make a point, the scientist got enraged and said... "The heck... I can even make man from mud!!!"
God asked him to do so and prove it.
The scientist bent down to collect some mud for his experiment.
This is when God interfered and said..."Hey... hey... hey mister... stop there. Go and get ur own mud!!!"The moral of the story... there is always someone better than the best of us... and... yup... he's up there... somewhere... smilin @ our dreams to godliness.
And this time... it's not ME :D

[s_aerin]

If after so many years of education, u believe in God, it wud be something like an artist falling in love with one of his own creations.

[koolbluez]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
After so many years of education, if u still DON'T believe in GOD, u r like the horse who still doesn't believe that it's his master who leads him.

[Aberforth]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
After so many years of education, if u still DON'T believe in GOD, u r like the horse who still doesn't believe that it's his master who leads him.

Well I don't have to believe in something that doesn't exist and there have been no proofs of existence. Neither do I believe in the tooth fairy so that doesn't mean its like the horse who doesn't believe in its master. The horse is kept and tended by the master, it can see him/her while God is simply an imagination and nothing else.

[amitava82]

and nothin will cange till u disprove god in front of me!!

As already said u need proof of existence, not for non existence. if i say i have a Lamborghini Diablo surely u guys will be asking for proof, u wont ask me to prove that i dont have Diablo..

again I'll say after so many years of education if you still believe in some myth then i must say that you didn't have any real education.

[koolbluez]

As some other jokes go on...
When a guy speaks about... I believe only what I see... there is no God... his friend slaps him... The 1st guy cries back... it's paining. The friend asks - Where's the pain? Show me.

As we all "educated people" know... there r some things that cant b seen but felt. God is the name we give to everything abstract... which we don't believe or anything which can't b explained by science. The conscience.. for eg... is ur God. When u do a mistake, u feel that u r doin one.. a regret lingers in ur mind... that conscience... is an unexplained science. That is one of the "gods".
Until & unless all phenomena can b perfectly explained, God'll exist.

U can't mix God & science.. like say... water & oil :D

Atheistism & theistism r two different schools of thought. And bringing them together will only cause clashes.

[caleb]

If after so many years of education, u believe in God, it wud be something like an artist falling in love with one of his own creations.What "wisdom"!... tumhe toh nobel prize milna chahiye yaar...anyway we give you the benifit of the doubt, by assuming that you are a very intelligent person...so who is the atrist? and who is the creation? and how does your comparison make sense? explain oh, wise one to all the mere mortals here!

[koolbluez]

^^^ http://img116.exs.cx/img116/1231/z7shysterical.gif Well said...

[gurujee]

:?:

[Pathik]

well there is another term for people like me... AGNOSTICS...
we dont know whether god exists or no and we couldnt care less.... :D

[s_aerin]

What "wisdom"!... tumhe toh nobel prize milna chahiye yaar...anyway we give you the benifit of the doubt, by assuming that you are a very intelligent person...so who is the atrist? and who is the creation? and how does your comparison make sense? explain oh, wise one to all the mere mortals here!
seems i hv hurt some ppl's feelings.
anyways, what i meant was, believing in god is like believing a story u yourself created.all social sciences have in one way or the other given us a basic idea as to how religion(superstition) evolved.refer to any text book of any school.
and like the fellow above me,
we dont know whether god exists or no and we couldnt care less..

[amitava82]

by d way, according to www.urbandictionary.com:

theist:

1.Someone who has been brainwashed
2.someone who desperatly hangs on to to an old fairytale-like thoery that has been disproven by science and that never reeeally had any proof in the first place :grin:

[Yamaraj]

Proofs and theories are for the people of Middle-Earth. As you progress to the higher sciences, it comes to you that nothing is absolute. There are no hard facts that you can prove - not in cosmology and not in Quantum physics.

Perhaps someday in distant future, we'll have a faint understading of the Universe, of the matter and life. Until then, any hard statement in favor or against of anything is nothing more than a personal opinion and matter of preference. And as we all know, opinions are like arseholes; everyone's got one.

[caje143]

God Is Great....
Science Is Straight....
So Lets Just Wait....

I Go For God......

[Pathik]

:d O-> !! Science Science Science !! <-o :d

[caleb]

seems i hv hurt some ppl's feelings.
all social sciences have in one way or the other given us a basic idea as to how religion(superstition) evolved. No hurt feelings mate...it is fight club...basically we are just wasting bandwidth...so coll...no hard feeling and also it is not personal.

Anyway getting back to the "fight"...kidding...we are talking about the existence of God not "how religion (superstition) evolved".

[Aberforth]

As some other jokes go on...
When a guy speaks about... I believe only what I see... there is no God... his friend slaps him... The 1st guy cries back... it's paining. The friend asks - Where's the pain? Show me.

Thats a bad example. If I slap you and your body's hormone profile is done at the same time, the cortisol level rises which means you did feel a difference to your body. Pain is because there is a drastic change in the body state which the neurons act as reflex action (pain) to avoid. Furthermore pain can be clearly felt, you don't need a very hard imagination or to teach a child as he grows up, "When I slap you, you feel pain, understand? Pain exists". A child feels pain even if you slap it at infacy but isn't likely to be a theist if grown without theism.

Proofs and theories are for the people of Middle-Earth. As you progress to the higher sciences, it comes to you that nothing is absolute. There are no hard facts that you can prove - not in cosmology and not in Quantum physics.


Well that wouldn't be a reason to believe in something that doesn't exist or has even been proven to exist. 'Absolute' you talk about refers to relativity, and relativity doesn't endorse God either, God is still an imaginative concept and unless its existence is proven by people and we can verify it, we can't assume it exists just like we assume boogeyman and tooth fairy don't exist.

[Yamaraj]

Well that wouldn't be a reason to believe in something that doesn't exist or has even been proven to exist. 'Absolute' you talk about refers to relativity, and relativity doesn't endorse God either, God is still an imaginative concept and unless its existence is proven by people and we can verify it, we can't assume it exists just like we assume boogeyman and tooth fairy don't exist.
How many of us believe that Black Holes exist? And how many that don't? The fact is, except for a few mathematical equations, there is no concrete way to prove that black holes do exist. And every once in a while some scientist comes up with data that indicates otherwise. Still, people contiune to believe that they exist, among other things, only because they've read so in text books. At quantum level, a particle can both exist and not exist at the same point of time. And it may exist at two or multiple different places at once.

I'm definitely not playing apologist for the religious. Far from it! But science is only a way of understanding things around us. It doesn't and probably cannot explore the dimensions of What and Why of the largest and smallest. I believe it's too early to conclude if there's a supreme being or not, for we know little about the things we're starting to see.

I'm against all organized religions, their propaganda, self-declared gods and rituals. But the philosophy therein isn't to be ignored. I'm of the opinion that if spirituality and philosophy are sensual, then science is pornography. It provides all the details you long for, but it's as coarse as it can get.

[koolbluez]

Skeptics... I stay aloof from them. They don't know whom to believe or what to believe. I doubt if they believe in themselves too... mayb a "hormone profile" might verify it :D

I'm not a religious devout. But I do believe that there is something governing everything. Something more unimaginable (@ our present scientific stature) that actually runs the show. And.. all yea "scientists/developed guyz/educated guyz"... we all know that most things r not perfect. Everywhere there is an assumption. Even our physics equations have more assumptions than solutions. Well... for ur belief.. God is also an assumption. But still.. as every regular student uses in his equations, we too use God in our lives equation. Like it or not.

Believe it or leave it. U life's ur hell. Enjoy it :D C ya...

[Ganeshkumar]

I dont beleive in God...
But anyway...
We can believe on those who say THERE IS NO GOD, But Dont beleive on those who say I AM GOD OR I AM GODS CONVEYOR...

[cooldip10]

:shock: - So many bleieve in God
me too :lol:, but the only difference is that ..
I completely