*** Science Or God? ***

[thunderbird.117]

What a mind blower Thunder.

LOL.

Holy Books are nothing but just ways to give a upper hand to god.

Blah this bla that.

Humans dont need holy books to think they know wats best for them.

One day will come when there will be no GOD but only HUMANITY.

I hope to see that day.

What about you.

Peace~~~!


Did i address that message to you?. If else throw the computer and disconnect the internet if you can not keep on saying things which does not make any sense. I would send you in wirlpool and in path of confusion if you dont shut yourself up. This is the last time i say it to you.

Also Holy Bible is most and popular read book around the globe. Bible can easily defeat your school,college,engineer book. Those book are nothing next to Bible.

[Yamaraj]

Bible can easily defeat your school,college,engineer book. Those book are nothing next to Bible.
Now that's a bit extreme, isn't it?

[Aberforth]

D
Also Holy Bible is most and popular read book around the globe. Bible can easily defeat your school,college,engineer book. Those book are nothing next to Bible.

Hate to point that out but popularity of a book does not mean it is true, I mean copies of book sol =! fact and truth. Would you consider harry Potter Books as fact? They are next to Bible in the number of copies sold and well, Bible had a 2000 year head start in at least 7 versions. I have 3 of them in my house, two gifted and one King James version I bought.

And talking about readership, if you make something faith based and should be read every evening/morning for better eyesight and pleasing god no wonder readership will rise.

[Goten]

Did i address that message to you?. If else throw the computer and disconnect the internet if you can not keep on saying things which does not make any sense. I would send you in wirlpool and in path of confusion if you dont shut yourself up. This is the last time i say it to you.

Also Holy Bible is most and popular read book around the globe. Bible can easily defeat your school,college,engineer book. Those book are nothing next to Bible.

Well Mr. Thunder I think may be ur a lil mental.

Bible is nothing but a religious book promoting Christianity by ne means.

By the way Mr. Thande....I grew up in a christian family but hate to call myself a christian. I have made it clear to my parents that I never n wont ever believe in something that has nething to do with god.

Mr. Wisdom Of Crap....My grandparents were converted into christians by the ****ing missionaries from UK for the price of food n land coz they were extremely poor. <snip>.

Peace~~~!

[planetcall]

There was no verdict, the topic moved to personal attacks after which it was closed. Look again.

There indeed was a verdict and it was the result of the poll. You better have a look too. The thread was closed because some people were out of logic and repeating the same thing.

Maybe you need to heed your own words. Every non-Hindi language is 'alien' to you. And it is weird when you post things in Hindi when you can post in English, sounds like chauvinism.

That shows you dont understand english either. I love all the languages and being currently in a non-hindi state I am also trying to learn the local language here. Time and again I have tried to show my penchant for other languages and in particular for Indian languages. If it sounds chauvinistic to you when I post in Hindi then simply dont read my post. Swami Vivekanand spoke in Hindi in USA and people like you must have credited him of chauvinism. If there are enough people in India like you then a day will come when applying a tilak on the head would be an act of chauvinism. I am not at all concerned what sounds chauvinistic to you. You are free not to read my posts.

No one hates any language, it is stupid to do so as language is a personal thing and culturally connected. And the idea 'superiority' or 'worthiness' of language is another idiocy, language is an identity of the people with that language - not a status symbol. No wonder we have separatists and militants, if northern languages and culture is ideologically forced fed to others, there is bound to be resistance.

Now I would say you heed your own words. There is no superiority issue if I posted in Hindi. The idiocy is the response made after that post was already explained in english. Nobody claimed a language to be someone's status symbol. It has already been talked, debated and well established that there is no separatist movement required against hindi or any other indian language. Some people talk to go for war and blood and claim it to be a cultural invasion. Nothing more stupid can be thought of than this.

Please stop creating a pointless argument and divert a debate.

I wonder why you repeated my words. Were you out of ideas ? I already stated this debate is good enough for the discussion over the stated topic and we dont want to start the language fight again when we already have debated and inference already drawn.
मेरे लिए हिन्दी एवं संस्कृत मे टंकण करना उतना ही सरल है जितना अंग्रेजी मे । मैं समयानुसार हिन्दी मे अपने विचारों की प्रस्तुती करता रहुंगा । आपका उत्तर सदैव अपेक्षित रहेगा ।
धन्यवाद
प्लैनेटकॉल

[thunderbird.117]

Well Mr. Thunder I think may be ur a lil mental.

Bible is nothing but a religious book promoting Christianity by ne means.

By the way Mr. Thande....I grew up in a christian family but hate to call myself a christian. I have made it clear to my parents that I never n wont ever believe in something that has nething to do with god.

Mr. Wisdom Of Crap....My grandparents were converted into christians by the ****ing missionaries from UK for the price of food n land coz they were extremely poor. <snip>.

Peace~~~!

Ok.

Goodbye. Iam leaving this forum for good.

Goodbye Aberforth,S18000 and Vimal.

[Arsenal_Gunners]

Huh?Whats the point in leaving?If you find a post offending,report it!

[s18000rpm]

@thunderbird.117, c'mon man why do you wanna leave. if you dont like something, leave it, (take mac vs. windows as an example).

btw this IS fight club, isnt it?

vimal is also right.

[shantanu]

hey thunderbird... where r u leaving... why r u hurt... man.. come back..

Well Mr. Thunder I think may be ur a lil mental.

Bible is nothing but a religious book promoting Christianity by ne means.

By the way Mr. Thande....I grew up in a christian family but hate to call myself a christian. I have made it clear to my parents that I never n wont ever believe in something that has nething to do with god.

Mr. Wisdom Of Crap....My grandparents were converted into christians by the ****ing missionaries from UK for the price of food n land coz they were extremely poor. <snip>.

Peace~~~!

hey GOTEN... mind your words to members... you cant personally say anything to anyone... READ FORUM RULES>>> you are reported...

[Goten]

Yeah this is fight club.

Rational ideas of i guess younger generation can only b digested if u think very very much rational n open minded.

I have been part of many forums n even moderated some.

I am leaving blah this bla that. Look at you. Are u a sissie. Nehow leave if ur that weak.

LOL.

hey thunderbird... where r u leaving... why r u hurt... man.. come back..



hey GOTEN... mind your words to members... you cant personally say anything to anyone... READ FORUM RULES>>> you are reported...

I cannot help it.

U cannot even express urself coz people cannot tolerate a word against god. Is this fight club or wat.

Huh.

Peace~~~!

Did i address that message to you?. If else throw the computer and disconnect the internet if you can not keep on saying things which does not make any sense. I would send you in wirlpool and in path of confusion if you dont shut yourself up. This is the last time i say it to you.

Also Holy Bible is most and popular read book around the globe. Bible can easily defeat your school,college,engineer book. Those book are nothing next to Bible.

Yeah now look at him. Who the hell is he to tell me to disconnect n shut up.

Cannot tolerate a word against GOD.

Yeah report him too coz I feel offended. Who the hell is he to tell me all that.

By the way i neva used bad language n just replied for wat he said to me.

LOL.

Peace Lost~~~!

[shantanu]

mind it again GOTEN... you commented him personally as "mental" this is not good. read forum rules... and again mind your language..... reported again...

and thunderbird is a very nice guy as i know him... and he has not done anything to be reported..

[Goten]

mind it again GOTEN... you commented him personally as "mental" this is not good. read forum rules... and again mind your language..... reported again...

and thunderbird is a very nice guy as i know him... and he has not done anything to be reported..

U are just impossible.

Calling some1 mental makes me a murderer.

Nehow report one more time let see wat happens.

Nothing will happen as I haven't done nething wrong.

So report again n again if u like.

HUH.

Peace~~~!

[Asfaq]

Calm down kids! Sheesh.. personally, I dont think you should post in threads where you cannot handle radical and/or ubsurd ideas.. grow up fellas!

@Goten : Am keeping an eye on you.. the comment on the Bible was uncalled for.. you have to be logical.. not inflamatory

[shantanu]

Hello Mr. MOD.. i justwanted to ask that are personal comments not out of rule...

[Goten]

Calm down kids! Sheesh.. personally, I dont think you should post in threads where you cannot handle radical and/or ubsurd ideas.. grow up fellas!

@Goten : Am keeping an eye on you.. the comment on the Bible was uncalled for.. you have to be logical.. not inflamatory

Mr. OLD.

I am watching u....ur not even a priveleged or old member.

Thanks for ur sympathy or wateva....Keep it to urself bro.

Peace~~~!

[shantanu]

goten , dont you have any respect for MOds too.. how many posts you have 36... the person matters , not the posts or time he or she spents on forum. quality is to be seen... (reported)

[Goten]

Hello Mr. MOD.. i justwanted to ask that are personal comments not out of rule...

Hmmm.

Peace~~~!

[thunderbird.117]

Ok Goten.

Enough of flaming other members. I understand you are a immature little kid just born out of your mother wombs dont know anything. I forgive you for the words you spoke to me like Mr.Thande and Mr.Wisdom of Crap and so on. I also understand that they are so chruches forces other people to convert and harass them. Which is totally wrong. Scriptures does not talk about those things. A true christians will not do anything like that.

Thank you for listening.

Least you can do is respect the mods in here. Thank you again.

[Asfaq]

@thunder: good to see you back :)

What i find so funny on this board is the total aura and respect with which mods are treated (and i must confess, i like it :D). Please people! U dont HAVE to respect us.. We are just policing this place.. and we are neither below you, nor above you. Just remember to give credit where its due!

@Goten: when u read this, hope you are a better person!

[thunderbird.117]

@thunder: good to see you back :)

What i find so funny on this board is the total aura and respect with which mods are treated (and i must confess, i like it :D). Please people! U dont HAVE to respect us.. We are just policing this place.. and we are neither below you, nor above you. Just remember to give credit where its due!

@Goten: when u read this, hope you are a better person!

I came back mainly because i should not run away and hide from people. I have seen people who acted rudely to others and later they improved. If they did not improve they are forgotten. :)

Well Mods should be respected mainly due to their work. Mod are like police. If we say dont respect the police you can imagine how the world will be most importantly military. :). Hope you got my point.

[shantanu]

then mods should be called COPS :D:D:D ROFL....

FEAR THE COPS :p

you are right thunderbird..... :p

[mediator]

Ok Goten.

Enough of flaming other members. I understand you are a immature little kid just born out of your mother wombs dont know anything. I forgive you for the words you spoke to me like Mr.Thande and Mr.Wisdom of Crap and so on. I also understand that they are so chruches forces other people to convert and harass them. Which is totally wrong. Scriptures does not talk about those things. A true christians will not do anything like that.

Thank you for listening.

Least you can do is respect the mods in here. Thank you again.
@thundebird : I was just checking this discussion. If u think a little provoking words shudn't be applied here, then u shudn't talk the same too! I agree personal remarks (if made any) on holy text shudn't be made! But then u shudn't make remarks like the bolded part and tell a person to shutup. Its FIGHT CLUb after all and people can go more nasty than this.

The Debate Zone. Sensitive and controversial topics will be discussed here — only the thick-skinned should enter

So if one cannot discuss a topic peacefully, then he shud just say so and quit or just ignore and never post. But one shudn' t tell to shutup!

Seeing the aura of this section, I hope mods understand that people can go out of bounds here sometimes. So please I urge not to take any strict actions this time atleast not in FIGHT CLUB!

~~PEACE! :D

[thunderbird.117]

@thundebird : I was just checking this discussion. If u think a little provoking words shudn't be applied here, then u shudn't talk the same too! I agree personal remarks (if made any) on holy text shudn't be made! But then u shudn't make remarks like the bolded part and tell a person to shutup. Its FIGHT CLUb after all and people can go more nasty than this.

So if one cannot discuss a topic peacefully, then he shud just say so and quit or just ignore and never post. But one shudn' t tell to shutup!

Seeing the aura of this section, I hope mods understand that people can go out of bounds here sometimes. So please I urge not to take any strict actions this time atleast not in FIGHT CLUB!

~~PEACE! :D

See his talk page first then say it.

[mediator]

Post #237 (http://thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=464524&postcount=237)


God sux....Religions suc harder.

No more watsoeva comments.

That was really lame.

Looks like ur post!

See his talk page first then say it.

So, I checked out and what I saw was that the super saiyan just posted his thoughts about god and religion! Isn't that a majority on non-believers out there think? Will u call all of em as "lame"? U didn't even need to comment on his thoughts! "God Vs science" is very deep topic in which u can hurt the feelings of others. U can see both parties giving interesting points. U can check my posts too where I refrained from posting about gods and check my poll too. So u cannot call anyone "lame" here! And what I saw was that it was u who started it all!

Non-believers always have the same logic that its illogical!
If u think its lame, then reason why its lame too! I hope u know whats posting without a good reason is called here!!

[Arsenal_Gunners]

Asfaq is a new guy in digit:D
(sorry for off topic:p)

[thunderbird.117]

Post #237 (http://thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=464524&postcount=237)

Looks like ur post!

So, I checked out and what I saw was that the super saiyan just posted his thoughts about god and religion! Isn't that a majority on non-believers out there think? Will u call all of em as "lame"? U didn't even need to comment on his thoughts! "God Vs science" is very deep topic in which u can hurt the feelings of others. U can see both parties giving interesting points. U can check my posts too where I refrained from posting about gods and check my poll too. So u cannot call anyone "lame" here! And what I saw was that it was u who started it all!

Non-believers always have the same logic that its illogical!
If u think its lame, then reason why its lame too! I hope u know whats posting without a good reason is called here!!

So calling God sux is a good thing?. So that is not lame?. Ok fine. Keep that yourself.

Oh well. Back to real life.

[mediator]

Well, I presume ur a christian! Have u ever seen foreigners out there in europe and US and how much they make fun of the characters related to their own religion. I can give u links if u want. But I never ever saw any Indian Christian protesting to that in News channels or any friend of mine protesting like such. Do u think its alright if foreigners make fun like such? Also the sayian never pointed to any religion directly in his first post either! Why r u so concerned then? And if u really r concerned then u shud have reasoned as well! So what really is lame here is the hypocrisy of some Indians!!

So if u wanna debate, then please post reasonable points too. Neways there r more science vs religion related discussion out of this thread.
U may wanna read all those too (http://thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41361&page=9)!

[Richardwu]

Science and Religion both cant be compared to each other in any sense.

Making fun of any religion and religious values is equally sin full, these things should not be given hype. Hurting anyone in a forum or a private chat is also not good. Everyone should think what he is saying.

Mediator--- Did you ever think of what are you saying.. Debate is always on good points, you cannot take any point to make other go crazy. Just think to this, You have repeated a word several times. this is not debate-this is real fight. A fight club does not mean that you can really fight in it. just look at the posts made in this thread, they show you how bad thinking is in minds of people.

[mediator]

^I know brother and I do think plenty of times before posting! And what r the "good points" in debate u r talking about? Who says "A fight club does not mean that you can really fight in it" ? Have u ever looked around in the FIGHT CLUB section before? Have u ever seen the reservation and similar threads which have people's sentiments attached to it? Disucssions can happen in any section of this forum, but then whats the relevance of FIGHT CLUB? Do I need to re-show the warning posted in front of this section?

And yes, I have been looking at the posts not only in this thread but the posts in the entire forums for the past 2 years. People do make fun of hinduism toooo, but shud I bash them all? Isn't it better to question them as to what makes them think that and then debate/FIGHT according to that instead of replying in a similar manner and calling him "lame"?

If u think the guy is a kid, then treat him like one. Forgive him! Why r u bashing him? If u think u need some respect, then think again kids also need respect and hate when they r ignored!

There's a saying in hindi that elders in my home say a lot that means " Treat a kid below, 13 (teenage) like a kid.....scold him,but dont ignore him. Then treat a teenager with respect.....don't even scold him, but respect his opinions and make him understand with love and then when he grows up......leave him to his will, but be there when he needs u"!

I can't understand..... If u really think the guy is acting lame, then y r u doing the same? Isn't it better to ignore and debate with someone who is really putting up the points? But I can't see the basher's gang doing that tooo! Did the guy say "u sukc or urs xyz sukc" in his first post? I don't understand y, even make an issue out of it?

[planetcall]

Grrrrrrr.....lets not spoil the flow of logic. Stick to the topic and debate over it.

[Goten]

LOL.

It was bad of me to use slangs n all. But in real life of many athiests n non-believers I have seen n know how much people hate the concept of god.

Nehow no more cursing n all.

But really Believers can never be argued with. I attended a conference some days back in my college concerning Jesus n Bible. They told everything to justify Christainity n Jesusand also at the end they said that BIBLE IS THE ONLY BOOK WHICH IS NOT QUESTIONABLE N ITS THE GREATEST OF ALL BOOKS. What do u say about that. This was said by a mid aged man. I literally walked out of the hall after listening to all that.

I really believe I will neva b able to see a world of HUMANS before I die. alll I see is HINDU MUSLIM CHRISTIAN etc.

Peace~~~!

[jamyang312]

just becoz we dont have any resons for some ques or some phenomenons,,,,,,,using god's name is a gud excuse,,,,,,,,,nyway,,,,,hmmm,,,man,,,,,ryt now i said this,,,now if i go to a seminar on god,,,i will contradict myself......

[Quiz_Master]

Science.......FOR me.

I don't believe in GOD.

Science.......FOR me.

I don't believe in GOD.

^I know brother and I do think plenty of times before posting! And what r the "good points" in debate u r talking about? Who says "A fight club does not mean that you can really fight in it" ? Have u ever looked around in the FIGHT CLUB section before? Have u ever seen the reservation and similar threads which have people's sentiments attached to it? Disucssions can happen in any section of this forum, but then whats the relevance of FIGHT CLUB? Do I need to re-show the warning posted in front of this section?

And yes, I have been looking at the posts not only in this thread but the posts in the entire forums for the past 2 years. People do make fun of hinduism toooo, but shud I bash them all? Isn't it better to question them as to what makes them think that and then debate/FIGHT according to that instead of replying in a similar manner and calling him "lame"?

If u think the guy is a kid, then treat him like one. Forgive him! Why r u bashing him? If u think u need some respect, then think again kids also need respect and hate when they r ignored!

There's a saying in hindi that elders in my home say a lot that means " Treat a kid below, 13 (teenage) like a kid.....scold him,but dont ignore him. Then treat a teenager with respect.....don't even scold him, but respect his opinions and make him understand with love and then when he grows up......leave him to his will, but be there when he needs u"!

I can't understand..... If u really think the guy is acting lame, then y r u doing the same? Isn't it better to ignore and debate with someone who is really putting up the points? But I can't see the basher's gang doing that tooo! Did the guy say "u sukc or urs xyz sukc" in his first post? I don't understand y, even make an issue out of it?

I copy that.
Mediator. You made me ur fan. Really kids should not be ignored. Even grown ups had been a kid before.

[abhijangda]

Friends my thinking is different. I believe in both science and god.

[Aberforth]

If there are enough people in India like you then a day will come when applying a tilak on the head would be an act of chauvinism.

Forcing everyone to wear tilak on their head would be chauvinism.


I wonder why you repeated my words. Were you out of ideas ?

I was unaware you owned copyright on ideas. Did the Hindutva movement gave you copyright to what I posted?

[planetcall]

^^ worthless to comment over.

[thunderbird.117]

^^ Haha.

[Goten]

Now this topic is really boring.

Haha.

Peace~~~!

[amol48]

The reason for creating the concept of 'GOD' by mankind was to create someone who peolple think is above all and should fear Him. And hence due to that fear, they would do the 'Right' things. But in the medieval age like every other thing, this concept was misuderstood and we know the result of it today. Most of the people do the spiritual things without knowing the exact reason behind it. When asked, you get a reply, "Do it coz everyone in past has been doing it!"
But as sience itself says, 'To deny the existence of something, you have to prove it'. Now since it's not proved by science that GOD is not there, i don't oppose it either. But as far i am concerned, i am with science.

[speedyguy]

science is explainable....

GOD is a belief...

i dunt dis-respect GOD... but dunt believe on him either... will surely do wen i c him or may b i sense him practically... ppl say GOD is wit u...where is he? i dunt c him.... n if he is wit me y m i facing difficulties....

m posting this message not becoz GOD is wit me..but a technology is thr wit me....n i can explain how its working n y is it real....
no 1 can explain real existance of GOD.... all ppl can do is 2 believe n ask others 2 believe...

as amol48 said....ppl think some1 is above them from whon they fear....then i have some1 who is above me n i respect d most..... they r my GOD, they gave me life... they made me live my life...they made me wat i am today... they r my parents...

ps: sry for being emotional...
Enjoy~!

[amol48]

@speedguy

same applies for me buddy... but in general this was the concept during ancient times. lekin uski to dhhajiya ud gayi abhi

[solomon_paulraj]

God created Science

[amol48]

@Solomon

That doesn make sense to me!!

[thunderbird.117]

@Solomon

That doesn make sense to me!!

Not much to understand. God use science and almost everything to his advantage to make us understand who the creator is.

It is foolish thing to say that there is no God. If God proved to everyone he exist. They is no need for faith.

[solomon_paulraj]

Science explains everything, but God explains science.

[speedyguy]

can ne1 explain how GOD explain science....n wen he did so

Enjoy~!

[thunderbird.117]

can ne1 explain how GOD explain science....n wen he did so

Enjoy~!

I will tell in simply way. God is showing,explain,teaching science every single second. No one may notice it will take time for us to dig into that.

Dont try and to underestimate God and never challenge.

He works in a mysterious ways.

[speedyguy]

ppl r tryin 2 notice it since 100s of yrs...ok wil wait for his mytery to open up...lets hope it does!!!

lemme giv a perfect example in my city....

thr was a sudden hype dat lord ganish sucked milk by a divotee from his spoon...twas a complete hype all over d city even in news channels n papers...then some "samajhdar" ppl figd out since twas a statue of mud n other chemicals wich absorbd milk water content which reduced qnty of milk....dats science...d divotees still dun wan this explaination...they just wanna beleive on it witout reason...thats imagination...not practical

even all pujaris who r called closest to god...he will make u tons of promisses wit name of god....ask him 2 serve u witout money...he will kick u out...
i faced it everywhr

Enjoy~!

[vish786]

^I know brother and I do think plenty of times before posting! And what r the "good points" in debate u r talking about? Who says "A fight club does not mean that you can really fight in it" ? Have u ever looked around in the FIGHT CLUB section before? Have u ever seen the reservation and similar threads which have people's sentiments attached to it? Disucssions can happen in any section of this forum, but then whats the relevance of FIGHT CLUB? Do I need to re-show the warning posted in front of this section?

And yes, I have been looking at the posts not only in this thread but the posts in the entire forums for the past 2 years. People do make fun of hinduism toooo, but shud I bash them all? Isn't it better to question them as to what makes them think that and then debate/FIGHT according to that instead of replying in a similar manner and calling him "lame"?

If u think the guy is a kid, then treat him like one. Forgive him! Why r u bashing him? If u think u need some respect, then think again kids also need respect and hate when they r ignored!

There's a saying in hindi that elders in my home say a lot that means " Treat a kid below, 13 (teenage) like a kid.....scold him,but dont ignore him. Then treat a teenager with respect.....don't even scold him, but respect his opinions and make him understand with love and then when he grows up......leave him to his will, but be there when he needs u"!

I can't understand..... If u really think the guy is acting lame, then y r u doing the same? Isn't it better to ignore and debate with someone who is really putting up the points? But I can't see the basher's gang doing that tooo! Did the guy say "u sukc or urs xyz sukc" in his first post? I don't understand y, even make an issue out of it?
@ mediator.... this is really a piece of wisedom(i too got d same idea but didnt post anything.... wanted to c how ppl think abt religion
no religion is perfect... guys... tat is all i can tell... so plz dont fight....
an argument never has an end... it keeps on growin point by point... :(

[ancientrites]

definately God and what the hell is wrong with the thread starter lmao at athiest.

[solomon_paulraj]

God cannot be seen in idols or pictures, its the mistake of humans to depict God in such forms. God cannot be seen, (put it this way, its a mysterious science to explain God).

you cannot estimate the power of God by what the people do.. you should estimate the power of God by what people cannot do...

Science on the other hand is trying to give explanations to everything on earth and beyond, but it misses out in one thing... why we humans think like that... This is called supernatural...

[thunderbird.117]

God cannot be seen in idols or pictures, its the mistake of humans to depict God in such forms. God cannot be seen, (put it this way, its a mysterious science to explain God).

you cannot estimate the power of God by what the people do.. you should estimate the power of God by what people cannot do...

Science on the other hand is trying to give explanations to everything on earth and beyond, but it misses out in one thing... why we humans think like that... This is called supernatural...


I totally agree. :D

[vish786]

this is for all the atheist....

i know many people dont believe in god.... but some of them start prayin during the exam time, do pooja and go to temple. Ones exams r over again they come back to their dialogue... i am atheist i dont believe in god... wat the hell is this:D

[fun2sh]

i say it like this


Nobody is perfect,
Perfect is God only;
Therefore, God is Nobody.
Therefore, He does not exist.

[Quiz_Master]

I am in this world since last 18 years :)). And I am a born athiest.
Still nothing bad happened to me. I don't run to god for every single desire. I trust only myself.
And I am very successful, more then successful then those who believe in god thingy. So I guess there is no such things as god. Its just Nature who controlls us.

[kalpik]

^^ Exactly! I wanna ask all people who believe in god that what's missing in MY life that is there is YOUR lives? What am i missing?

[vish786]

^^ Exactly! I wanna ask all people who believe in god that what's missing in MY life that is there is YOUR lives? What am i missing?

wat missing??? ur lives??? can u reframe the sentence i didnt understand wat ur tryin to tell

[Quiz_Master]

^^ If I am understannding him right he (and I) means If we don't believe in god is that mean that we are missing something.
It means that does those who believe in God live a better life?

No naa. Why believe in god when there will be no effect in your life no matter you believe in god or not.

Why believe in anything who is indirectly the reason of all differences between human.

[karnivore]

“Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. ......This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d'honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. ......Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.”

These are the famous words by Carl Marx, and although said in a political context, is just as much relevant in sociology. A brief explanation of the above quote is that:

U need God/religion if u r running low on self-belief, confidence and conviction.

U need God/religion if u r looking for an excuse or justification for all that u do or intend to do.

U need God/religion if u r looking for an easy explanation for all that u fail to explain by means of common sense, common knowledge and common understanding.

There is no doubt that science, with its own limitations, cannot disprove god, neither can it prove god. Although some scientific observations, most notably among them is “evolution”, actually provide enough basis to debunk the theory of God.

[thunderbird.117]

“Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. ......This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d'honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. ......Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.”

These are the famous words by Carl Marx, and although said in a political context, is just as much relevant in sociology. A brief explanation of the above quote is that:

U need God/religion if u r running low on self-belief, confidence and conviction.

U need God/religion if u r looking for an excuse or justification for all that u do or intend to do.

U need God/religion if u r looking for an easy explanation for all that u fail to explain by means of common sense, common knowledge and common understanding.

There is no doubt that science, with its own limitations, cannot disprove god, neither can it prove god. Although some scientific observations, most notably among them is “evolution”, actually provide enough basis to debunk the theory of God.

I find this pretty boring.

[zyberboy]

And I am very successful, more then successful then those who believe in god thingy. So I guess there is no such things as god.
strange point,You r successful does't mean ter is no god.



There is no doubt that science, with its own limitations, cannot disprove god, neither can it prove god.
Although some scientific observations, most notably among them is “evolution”, actually provide enough basis to debunk the theory of God.
Agreed on first point,but evolution does't provide enough basis to debunk god,u need a first organism for evolution to work. Evolution hav not produced a credible scientific explanation for the origin of such immense complexities as DNA, human consciousness,and many other complex elements of the cosmos.We are far behind to claim that.

[karnivore]

thunderbird.117
I find this pretty boring.

Expected. Anything that requires deep thinking and thorough understanding is of course boring for an armchair theorist.

cyberboy_kerala
Agreed on first point,but evolution doest provide enough basis to debunk god,u need a first organism for evolution to work. Evolution hav not produced a credible scientific explanation for the origin of such immense complexities as DNA, human consciousness,and many other complex elements of the cosmos.We are far behind to claim that.

True. What theory of "evolution" does is that it give us a glimpse into the making of modern man. It proves that modern man has evolved into what it is today through a natural process of adaptation and not through any divine intervention. Thats why the Church did the most sensible thing and debunked the theory of "evolution".

True, evolution is not a conclusive proof of absence of god, but, as i said, it provides a basis for a scientific understanding of life. A lot remains to be explained, but these scientific discoveries assure us that there are indeed rational and scientific "explanations" for everything.

[thunderbird.117]

thunderbird.117


Expected. Anything that requires deep thinking and thorough understanding is of course boring for an armchair theorist.


It does not need any type of deep thinking and understanding it is written by a fool. It is bunch of nonsense which is written by people who does not have any work to do.

Also Karnivore. I have also read this coutless of times. So you were expecting someone thing. Let you tell you one thing clear God exist. He will prove that he exist in coming days. Be prepared.

By then Karl Marx will come and save you and what ever you wrote just disappers.

Take Care.

Dont try and act to be so intelligent.

[zyberboy]

Let you tell you one thing clear God exist. He will prove that he exist in coming days. Be prepared.


This is blind faith at its extreme.

[thunderbird.117]

This is blind faith at its extreme.

That must be you. Not me. Dont get me wrong. If i say it is blind faith i cant do anything. Iam sorry. :rolleyes:

[amol48]

this is for all the atheist....

i know many people dont believe in god.... but some of them start prayin during the exam time, do pooja and go to temple. Ones exams r over again they come back to their dialogue... i am atheist i dont believe in god... wat the hell is this:D

I agree that !!

i say it like this


Nobody is perfect,
Perfect is God only;
Therefore, God is Nobody.
Therefore, He does not exist.
wow what a thinking !!!


U need God/religion if u r running low on self-belief, confidence and conviction.

U need God/religion if u r looking for an excuse or justification for all that u do or intend to do.

U need God/religion if u r looking for an easy explanation for all that u fail to explain by means of common sense, common knowledge and common understanding.

There is no doubt that science, with its own limitations, cannot disprove god, neither can it prove god. Although some scientific observations, most notably among them is “evolution”, actually provide enough basis to debunk the theory of God.

Though i belive in GOD but i don't think that's true!!! We need someone who is close to us and capable enough to tak us out of our difficult times or help us. When no one is left with us we think of God, but this may depend on individual...

[karnivore]

amol48
We need someone who is close to us and capable enough to tak us out of our difficult times or help us. When no one is left with us we think of God,

Yes bro, thats what i meant by..
U need God/religion if u r running low on self-belief, confidence and conviction.

See, i personally don't have anything against those who believe in "god", and i sincerely believe that as long as there is intelligent being, like humans, a concept of god is inevitable.

But at the same time questioning the existence of god is just as much necessary. It is through the process of "questioning", that we finally understand the "unknown". If we kept on attributing everything to god, we would not have made all the discoveries that surround us today.

All i am saying is that it is difficult to undo the "social brainwashing", but once u do that, there is immense possibility on the other side. And someday i hope to see u all there.

[Yamaraj]

Once you realize that you are no more than a high-level abstraction, or an ordered collection, of other organisms and that your conciousness and the "self" is a by-product of electrical signals in brain - you cease to believe.

Are we really anything more than highly advanced bio-mechanical machines? Think about it.

[karnivore]

Are we really anything more than highly advanced bio-mechanical machines?

ABSOLUTELY

[speedyguy]

lets put it dis way....to b simple

ppl who dun believe in god n dunt admire...they still live happily as we hv some in this thread too....

now imagine urself witout science.....u wud or wanna die....thats fact belive it or not....u r debating in this thread thats also coz of science not coz god sent u here...

give one practical reason y u feel god exist...make it practical so dis-believers can agree 2 u...now plz....dun say again he cannot be seen, he is power...he is witin us bla bla....make us believe wat u say wit a point...dunt sound superstitous...its 21st century

Enjoy~!

[karnivore]

^^ Well put, bro

[fun2sh]

"TWO WORKING HANDS CAN DO MUCH MORE THAN THOUSANDS HANDS CLASPED IN PRAYER"

speedyguy is quite right. all modern lavishness n facilities which has brought all of us at the tps of button is gift of science. WAT SO CALLED GOD HAD DONE. NOTHIN!!!.

[solomon_paulraj]

what does science say about evolution.. "started from single cell organism... and the story goes on.." but can science give explanation on how that single cell organism was formed...

can any of you believers of science explain this...

[Yamaraj]

lets put it dis way....to b simple

ppl who dun believe in god n dunt admire...they still live happily as we hv some in this thread too....

now imagine urself witout science.....u wud or wanna die....thats fact belive it or not....u r debating in this thread thats also coz of science not coz god sent u here...

give one practical reason y u feel god exist...make it practical so dis-believers can agree 2 u...now plz....dun say again he cannot be seen, he is power...he is witin us bla bla....make us believe wat u say wit a point...dunt sound superstitous...its 21st century

Enjoy~!
Whether or not you believe in a god or gods - it's still a matter of "belief" - for you cannot prove or disprove their existence.

Besides, science is like playing with lego blocks that already exist. Scientists are only "discovering" the natural powers and using them to create luxurious toys. It's not like they are "creating" matter or energy and utilizing them. Those who understand higher sciences, will tell you that it's not easy to discard the concept of a "creator", or creators. Scientists don't even understand the differences between matter and energy yet. I, therefore, advise people to not turn into arrogant automatons without a knowledge of "self".

Provided that only a few finite physical laws govern most of the natural forces, and affect our actions and reactions - how can you say that we're not being simulated inside a quantum computer? And, what if it's the tutles all the way down?

[fun2sh]

what does science say about evolution.. "started from single cell organism... and the story goes on.." but can science give explanation on how that single cell organism was formed...

can any of you believers of science explain this...
SCIENCE HAS PROVED MANY THINGS N IT WILL FIND THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION TOO. why dont u look at the history. ppl used to believe several things n use to say "can sceince prove or explain it. its the god which is doin n BLAH.. BLAH.." but science has given nice answeres to all that n wil one day even prove the non existence of god n that it is just an imagination of human mind n that human mind gives the name of god wen it i unable to understand something.

n if u r sayin that god created us all then who created god. its like ur own question on evolution.

hav u seen any animal prayin god???

[solomon_paulraj]

animals live in the way God told,
but its humans who have destroyed nature for his own personal needs,
humans are finding out hidden things in the name of science,
only if humans lived as God created them,
he would have gone still further in his existence.

remember the Great pyramids, babylon gardens, and other man made marvels, why cant human create such things when he has so much advanced scientific knowledge...

The reason.. man has forgotten God..

[fun2sh]

animals live in the way God told,
but its humans who have destroyed nature for his own personal needs,
humans are finding out hidden things in the name of science,
only if humans lived as God created them,
he would have gone still further in his existence.

remember the Great pyramids, babylon gardens, and other man made marvels, why cant human create such things when he has so much advanced scientific knowledge...

The reason.. man has forgotten God..
who says man cant create pyramid or baby lone garden with help of science.
i think u r not seein DISCOVERY OR NATGEO. sceince has created more sopisticated n marvelous things than those pyramids. we only admire pyramids coz it was very advanced technolgy for man at that time.

[solomon_paulraj]

yes.. man is creating sophisticated n marvelous things right now... but the reason they admire the olden days creations is because... humans created those ancient marvels without the help of any new scientific machineries...

and the only force which could have helped him is GOD...

[solomon_paulraj]

yes.. people will laugh on things which they dont understand,...

Higher amino acids on dehydration synthesis form peptide bonds....to form proteins....Darwin's theory....


I can only laf on this!!

you mean NATURAL SELECTION...
FYI... DARWIN WAS A THEIST at the time of writing the Origin of Species...;D

[speedyguy]

"Originally Posted by solomon_paulraj
what does science say about evolution.. "started from single cell organism... and the story goes on.." but can science give explanation on how that single cell organism was formed...

can any of you believers of science explain this..."


it can may at later or sooner or some part of it for while...

can god explain this??? if yes plz ask him to

Enjoy~!

[sadabakwas]

Whether or not you believe in a god or gods - it's still a matter of "belief" - for you cannot prove or disprove their existence.

But you most certainly can! Science itself proves God exists. When you see a building, or furniture, or cars or anything else - you know there was someone who created it. Nothing creates itself out of nowhere.

By denying God, you are going against hard sceince. You don't have to choose between God and science, all you have to do is to use the latter realize the former.

[karmanya]

like i said in my last post. "how the single celled organism was created in the first place" basically asks the same thing; how were we created.
both religion and science have thier own different points of view. however with religion every religion has its own belief as none are based on fact.
with science we have different theories all of which are probable and based on fact. one of the newer ones that was first brought to light to the majority through books like "the footprints of god" and angels and demons is that life and matter are made of energy. But you make a point. how did something organic spring from something inorganic? we may never know

[Yamaraj]

But you most certainly can! Science itself proves God exists. When you see a building, or furniture, or cars or anything else - you know there was someone who created it. Nothing creates itself out of nowhere.

By denying God, you are going against hard sceince. You don't have to choose between God and science, all you have to do is to use the latter realize the former.
Science doesn't make the point to prove or disprove any "G"od. It's a quest for knowledge - no more, no less. Even though there are many things indeed beyond its reach, it doesn't tantamount to the exietense of a prophet or a messiah or a god.

[karmanya]

People say have faith in god
isnt faith defined as the belief in something which cannot be proven to exist?

[hullap]

Scince All The Way!!n. N.

[chatterjeesayan]

PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS:

1>DOES SCIENCE CONTRADICT GOD?
2>WHAT IS GOD?
3>WHAT IS SCIENCE?And what is its aim?

First ask yourself these three questions and find the answer.I can bet that 95% of haven't thought deeply on this matter.

Firstly the aim of science is not to make mobiles and computers for us.It has a greater meaning.It finds Truth.Religion also finds Truth.Where science ends religion starts.And what is religion,Swami Vivekananda puts it..

"You must bear in mind that religion does not consist in talk, or doctrines, or books, but in realisation; it is not learning, but being. ..."

"Experience is the only source of knowledge. In the world, religion is the only source where there is no surety, because it is not taught as a science of experience. This should not be. There is always, however, a small group of men who teach religion from experience. They are called mystics, and these mystics in every religion speak the same tongue and teach the same truth. This is the real science of religion. As mathematics in every part of the world does not differ, so the mystics do not differ. They are all similarly constituted and similarly situated. Their experience is the same; and this becomes law.

In the church, religionists first learn a religion, then begin to practise it; they do not take experience as the basis of their belief. But the mystic starts out in search of truth, experiences it first, and then formulates his creed. The church takes the experience of others; the mystic has his own experience. The church goes from the outside in; the mystic goes from the inside out.

Religion deals with the truths of the metaphysical world just as chemistry and the other natural sciences deal with the truths of the physical world. The book one must read to learn chemistry is the book of nature. The book from which to learn religion is your own mind and heart. The sage is often ignorant of physical science, because he reads the wrong book -- the book within; and the scientist is too often ignorant of religion, because he too reads the wrong book -- the book without.

All science has its particular methods; so has the science of religion. It has more methods also, because it has more material to work upon. The human mind is not homogeneous like the external world. According to the different nature, there must be different methods. As some special sense predominates in a person -- one person will see most, another will hear most -- so there is a predominant mental sense; and through this gate must each reach his own mind. Yet through all minds runs a unity, and there is a science which may be applied to all. This science of religion is based on the analysis of the human soul. It has no creed.

No one form of religion will do for all. Each is a pearl on a string. We must be particular above all else to find individuality in each. No man is born to any religion; he has a religion in his own soul. Any system which seeks to destroy individuality is in the long run disastrous. Each life has a current running though it, and this current will eventually take it to God. The end and aim of all religions is to realise God. The greatest of all training is to worship God alone. If each man chose his own ideal and stuck to it, all religious controversy would vanish."...Swami Vivekananda

Realisation of what?Realisation of Ultimate Truth.

Science is also seeking the truth,though in a different way,the Ultimate Truth,which God.

Mahatma Gandhi puts it..."Truth is God".

God is existence,knowledge,bliss.And we all are immortal children of bliss.Existence is our nature,Knowledge is our nature,Bliss is our nature.The aim of our life is to attain God,the Truth or to be Truth,the Brahman.God surely doesn't differentiate between an atheist and theist,a Hindu or a Muslim,because he is all Love.

So don't misinterpret God.Don't think that everything uexplained,everything mysterious is God and everything explained is science.God has no rival,he is all Love,not different from us.

Vedas,Bible and other religious books show us the to God,not to the aliens but to the Truth.

Feynnman's lectures on Physics,History of Time also leads us to truth...relative truth.


To quote Albert Einstein:

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

"...Those whose acquaintance with scientific research is derived chiefly from its practical results easily develop a completely false notion of the mentality of the men who, surrounded by a skeptical world, have shown the way to kindred spirits scattered wide through the world and through the centuries. Only one who has devoted his life to similar ends can have a vivid realization of what has inspired these men and given them the strength to remain true to their purpose in spite of countless failures...."

SHAME ON THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIKES SCIENCE JUST BECAUSE IT PROVIDES THEM GADGETS AND LUXURIOUS ITEMS,their mind is so immatured that THEY CAN NOT LOVE SCIENCE,they don't have the right to insult our great SCIENCE.

So,don't quarrel,Science can not cotradict God,Science did not contradict God,Science will not contradict God.

WE ARE TRUTH ITSELF...THE AIM OF LIFE IS TO BE TRUTH,TO ATTAIN TRUTH...NOT TO DO A SERVICE OFFERING 50000 PER MONT!!!!

Logical...not stupid,thoughtless...arguments are welcome.

Note the quotations of Albert Einstein:

"When we consider the various existing religions as to their essential substance, that is, divested of their myths, they do not seem to me to differ as basically from each other as the proponents of the "relativistic" or conventional theory wish us to believe. And this is by no means surprising. For the moral attitudes of a people that is supported by religion need always aim at preserving and promoting the sanity and vitality of the community and its individuals, since otherwise this community is bound to perish. A people that were to honor falsehood, defamation, fraud, and murder would be unable, indeed, to subsist for very long."

"The interpretation of religion, as here advanced, implies a dependence of science on the religious attitude, a relation which, in our predominantly materialistic age, is only too easily overlooked. While it is true that scientific results are entirely independent from religious or moral considerations, those individuals to whom we owe the great creative achievements of science were all of them imbued with the truly religious conviction that this universe of ours is something perfect and susceptible to the rational striving for knowledge. If this conviction had not been a strongly emotional one and if those searching for knowledge had not been inspired by Spinoza's Amor Dei Intellectualis, they wouid hardly have been capable of that untiring devotion which alone enables man to attain his greatest achievements."

[speedyguy]

will take some time 2 read dis....doin it in easy installments

Enjoy~!

[zyberboy]

@chatterjeesayan

really a nice post

[karnivore]

@chatterjeesayan

Quite an interesting post. You hav dropped a couple of really heavy names But as always, rebuttal is necessary to get to the root of the arguments. And one more thing. We all know what these great men thought about religion, was it absolutely necessary to drag their names in a dog fight like this. It would hav been really nice if u shared your own views through your experiences and not through someone elses mouth. Anyway……….

“The Selfish Gene” by Richard Dawkins, actually explains, with convincing scientific explanations, the reason of existence. It might come as a shock, but the purpose of life has got nothing to do with anything divine. Instead it argues, which is accepted by most of evolutionary biologists, that the purpose of existence is nothing but as simple as duplicating and propagating our genes, following Darwin's “natural selection”. That’s all. Everything else, like achieving greater truth etc. etc. is talked of just to give a moral and ethical acceptance of “life”. Right from the time of your birth till your death, whatever u do, see, learn, love, hate etc, has no purpose at all, except of course enriching your existence. The purpose of “your” existence is simply to make sure that your gene can duplicate and continue with “its” existence.

Human beings hav understanding, a sense of quality and a sense of “purpose”. That’s why we can “think” of achieving so called higher truth. But what about animals. Are they too looking for higher truth? If they are not aware of their own “existence” or ,in the words of Rabindranath Tagore, “bastabata”(Bengali for “reality”) how will they look for the “higher truth”. Think of an ant, a millipede or even your pet dog. We are part of that biological bubble, only with a bigger and more complicated brains.

Well Swami Vivekananda was not in a position to know these (the book was written in 1976). Also Swami, looked at everything from a “Hindu” point of view. If u carefully read his books - don’t need to read all the 12 volumes, just read first 4 volumes – U will find myriad contradictions and criticism of other religion, particularly Christianity, Islam and Buddhism. If all religions are “pearls on the ring”, then whats with this tendency of “Hinduism is right and all other religions are wrong”. In your post itself u will find subtle criticism of Christianity. He is at best a “revivalist”. Seriously, if I hav to understand religion, without the biasness of Hinduism or for that matter any religion, I would rather look at Max Weber than Swamiji.

As with Albert Einstein, the greatest scientist the world has ever seen and will probably see, criticism is of different kind. He started his scientific quest, questioning god. But as he made discoveries he slowly became convinced that something called God exists. And that’s when he started to make mistakes. He became a staunch critique of “Theory of Quantum Mechanics”, simply it contradicted his concept of God. Remember his famous words “God does not play dice”, while he was referring to the essence of unpredictability of sub-atomic particles suggested by Quantum Mechanics. The scientific world stood hanging their jaw as more and more lab tests started to prove QM and Einstein became all the more adamant in proving his point. Today, QM is the core essence of studying sub-atomic particles.

Later he became a staunch supporter of Zionism. But the moral of the story is that, even the greatest scientific brain in the world can make mistake when confronted with convincing truth against ones belief.

This debate is practically never ending.

If u feel god or religion gives u strength, then let it be that way, as long as u don’t become a Klu-Klux-Klan, or Taliban or RSS.

[zyberboy]

“The Selfish Gene” by Richard Dawkins, actually explains, with convincing scientific explanations, the reason of existence. It might come as a shock, but the purpose of life has got nothing to do with anything divine. Instead it argues, which is accepted by most of evolutionary biologists, that the purpose of existence is nothing but as simple as duplicating and propagating our genes, following Darwin's “natural selection”. That’s all. Everything else, like achieving greater truth etc. etc. is talked of just to give a moral and ethical acceptance of “life”. Right from the time of your birth till your death, whatever u do, see, learn, love, hate etc, has no purpose at all, except of course enriching your existence. The purpose of “your” existence is simply to make sure that your gene can duplicate and continue with “its” existence.

Too early to say convincingly that the "purpose of life is purposeless".if we look at evolution alone it is right tat its only goal is to pass the genes to next generation, but we cant deny the ultimate truth "atma" self, QM says tat every single particle is aware of all the events in the entire universe,its like a universal consciousness,its wt called as the "Truth is god".Universe is self aware that it exist. Our consciousness are just part of that whole thing.Like i said it is too early for humans to say anything convincingly as we may have only know .1% of the real truth or we may never will as the real truth is too good for our limited mind

[chatterjeesayan]

@karnivore
"We all know what these great men thought about religion, was it absolutely necessary to drag their names in a dog fight like this. It would hav been really nice if u shared your own views through your experiences and not through someone elses mouth."

Please see that I've expressed my opinion all through the post and only brought their names in context of the topic,to support my view.And after all I'm not a knower of Truth,so I have to bring the names of great personalities,especially like Swami Vivekananda,as they perceived Truth.

"It might come as a shock, but the purpose of life has got nothing to do with anything divine. Instead it argues, which is accepted by most of evolutionary biologists, that the purpose of existence is nothing but as simple as duplicating and propagating our genes, following Darwin's “natural selection”"

I can not get your point properly.Can this ever be a purpose of life?What is the aim of natural selection?Evolution?Why are all the phenomena happenning?Why Evolution?Who are we?Why are we?Has the world been created out of nothing!!!CHILDISH PRATTLE!!!!

Macneile Dixon puts it...

" 'There is, then, nothing to be hoped for, nothing to be expected and nothing to be done save to await our turn to mount the scaffold and bid farewell to the colossal blunder, the much-ado-about-nothing world!"

Do you want to mean that our world is a colossal blunder?What is the aim of evolution?Why are we evolving?Just for the sake of evolution?Clear your point buddy.

"Well Swami Vivekananda was not in a position to know these (the book was written in 1976). Also Swami, looked at everything from a “Hindu” point of view. If u carefully read his books - don’t need to read all the 12 volumes, just read first 4 volumes – U will find myriad contradictions and criticism of other religion, particularly Christianity, Islam and Buddhism. If all religions are “pearls on the ring”, then whats with this tendency of “Hinduism is right and all other religions are wrong”. In your post itself u will find subtle criticism of Christianity. He is at best a “revivalist”. Seriously, if I hav to understand religion, without the biasness of Hinduism or for that matter any religion, I would rather look at Max Weber than Swamiji."

Probably you didn't read Swamiji.Have you read a few paragraphs from his "Christ ,the Messenger"?If you read it,you would have known that what kind of respect he paid for Christ.Do you know he was a deep admirer of Budhdha.How can you say that he looks evrything from the Hindu point of view.Probably you haven't read him,if you had,you didi the reading superficially.Remember he said...."We believe not only in universal toleration but we accept all religions as true. ..."And after all we have to say the truth,we needn't have to flatter every religion.If you have read him,you would have known that he was totally unbiased.And you'll be surprised that he criticised his own religion's drawbacks as well as others.

About Einstein I've no opinions,world knows him well.I needn't say anything for him.


Again I say..RELIGION IS NOT BELIEF...it is REALISATION OF TRUTH.One need not believe any religion to have only strength.It is realisation of Ultimate Truth,grandest of all science,science of human nature in depth...it is not going to chapel,Mandir or Masjid....it is not any dogma...it is not doctrine...it is being and becoming.

@karnivore

"U need God/religion if u r running low on self-belief, confidence and conviction.

U need God/religion if u r looking for an excuse or justification for all that u do or intend to do.

U need God/religion if u r looking for an easy explanation for all that u fail to explain by means of common sense, common knowledge and common understanding."

"Are anything more than highly advanced bio-mechanical machines"


For the first point,you will be running low on you self esteem if you don't believe in Atman,your own soul.Because without thinking oneself as Atman,the eternal,one scracely get self confidence of that level.If you have full belief in you and don't have any belief in any gods of heaven,you are a THEIST,a religous person.

For the second point,if anybody thinks that he can do anything and escape the law of Karma,he is cheating himself.We should show pity on him.

For your third point,please don't have such childish cocept of God,that he is a magecian sitting over the sky,and making all the things happen,which are still unexplained and leaves the job after man has discovered the law.It's a childish concept of God.It is better not to believe in this type of God and be an atheist rather.

Are anything more than highly advanced bio-mechanical machines?

No,we are not..we can not be.We are much greater than that.How can a person with SELFCONFIDENCE can approve this!!!This type of selfconfidence ...PHEW!!!...We are the children of immortal bliss...we can do anything and everything...we can crush the stars to powder..we can do anythig...that is the word of a THEIST...this type of selfconfidence!!!

[karnivore]

@cyberboy_kerala
Too early to say convincingly that the "purpose of life is purposeless"
Well "selfish gene" is not my theory. It was proposed by Richard Dawkins in 1976 and today its widely accepted, although not entirely without its own share of criticism. I would suggest u to first go through the book before u start tearing it apart.

....but we cant deny the ultimate truth "atma" self
If by "self" u mean the consciousness as "self", of course it can't be denied. Well how can u deny consciousness. But here's a question (although it might be a touch too heavy for u to fathom the full implication). If u convert to Islam, will u still argue about your so called "atma", cauz i hope u know that Islam doesn't believe in "atma".

Universe is self aware that it exist.
Exactly how u got to know that Universe is self-aware of its existence. Can u please throw some light on it, that is, if u can.

@chatterjeesayan
CHILDISH PRATTLE!!!!
Hmmmm.......arrogance of youth or arrogance of ignorance, i wonder.

Can this ever be a purpose of life?
Yes. As i said, its much more simple than its made out to be.

What is the aim of natural selection?Evolution?
According to Darwin, propagation of "species" and according to Dawkins propagation of "gene".

Why are all the phenomena happening?Why Evolution?Who are we?Why are we?Has the world been created out of nothing
Pretty much inane. Why does anything happen in the first place. They happen because they follow certain laws of physics, biology and chemistry. There is nothing divine in these "happenings". True, we have our limitations and probably would never quite understand or explain everything in black and white. Incapability of science is not the explanation for god. And hell no, world was never created out of nothing.

Why are we evolving?Just for the sake of evolution?Clear your point buddy
My dear friend, here in lies the greatest fallacy. If u accept that we are evolving the pertinent question is why. Now, biologists say that the reason is because nature is changing, and with each change we are learning to cope with nature and more we gain experience more we evolve, and more we evolve, more is the likelihood that our gene will survive. Thats how the ball rolls. But the interesting observation is that if we are still in the middle of evolutionary process, then obviously our current looks as human beings, together with our consciousness is definitely incomplete, cauz we are in the process of becoming a still higher being. Thats where religion clashes with the concept of evolution. If something divine really created us, why didn't he create us as complete humans, why did it take so million years to get here. All religion grappled with this dilemma and finally came to the conclusion that "evolution" does not exist, because thats the best they could do in the face of compelling scientific evidences. Once again, first read "The Selfish Gene" and then start asking questions.

Probably you didn't read Swamiji.Have you read a few paragraphs from his "Christ ,the Messenger"?If you read it,you would have known that what kind of respect he paid for Christ.Do you know he was a deep admirer of Budhdha.How can you say that he looks evrything from the Hindu point of view.Probably you haven't read him,if you had,you didi the reading superficially.Remember he said...."We believe not only in universal toleration but we accept all religions as true. ..."And after all we have to say the truth,we needn't have to flatter every religion.If you have read him,you would have known that he was totally unbiased.And you'll be surprised that he criticised his own religion's drawbacks as well as others.

My hunch is that u hav read the transcripts of Swami's works. A little of this and a little bit of that. As i suggested, go through the first 4 volumes thoroughly, and since u are a Bengali, read the Bengali version. Don't read anything beyond 4 rth volume. It will be waste of time.

Let me quote from your earlier post:
In the church, religionists first learn a religion, then begin to practise it; they do not take experience as the basis of their belief. But the mystic starts out in search of truth, experiences it first, and then formulates his creed. The church takes the experience of others; the mystic has his own experience. The church goes from the outside in; the mystic goes from the inside out.

I hope u are mature enough to realise, that it is a subtle criticism of the Church. As with the Buddhism, read his observations on "atma", in probably volume 2, and then tell me if those were not criticism of Buddism, not Lord Buddha, then what is.

And about the last part, it is evident that you have no clue as to what you are saying. Heres few sample:
....it is not any dogma...it is not doctrine...it is being and becoming
Being and becoming what ????

you will be running low on you self esteem if you don't believe in Atman,your own soul.Because without thinking oneself as Atman,the eternal,one scracely get self confidence of that level
Who said u that ???? I hav plenty of self-confidence and i don't hav to call god for that. Neither do i believe in this crazy crap called "atma" You are a kid and need to face the world first. You will then know a thing or two about life.

If you have full belief in you and don't have any belief in any gods of heaven,you are a THEIST,a religious person.
Do u even read what u type. If someone believes in god he is a THEIST, if someone does not believe in god but believes in himself, he is still a THEIST. Kiddo, grow up.

...if anybody thinks that he can do anything and escape the law of Karma,he is cheating himself.We should show pity on him.
Unbelievably stupid. OK, what is the law of karma, and who wrote it please. And yes u can hav pity on me.:D :D :D :D :D

For your third point,please don't have such childish cocept of God,that he is a magecian sitting over the sky,and making all the things happen,which are still unexplained and leaves the job after man has discovered the law.It's a childish concept of God.It is better not to believe in this type of God and be an atheist rather
Fine, then define god.

We are much greater than that
Like what.

Remember one thing;
"To repeat what someone has said, u need education. To challenge it, u need brains"

[planetcall]

My dear friend, here in lies the greatest fallacy. If u accept that we are evolving the pertinent question is why. Now, biologists say that the reason is because nature is changing, and with each change we are learning to cope with nature and more we gain experience more we evolve, and more we evolve, more is the likelihood that our gene will survive. Thats how the ball rolls. But the interesting observation is that if we are still in the middle of evolutionary process, then obviously our current looks as human beings, together with our consciousness is definitely incomplete, cauz we are in the process of becoming a still higher being. Thats where religion clashes with the concept of evolution. If something divine really created us, why didn't he create us as complete humans, why did it take so million years to get here. All religion grappled with this dilemma and finally came to the conclusion that "evolution" does not exist, because thats the best they could do in the face of compelling scientific evidences. Once again, first read "The Selfish Gene" and then start asking questions.

Before trying to criticise and proving the fallacy of sanatan dharm/सनातन धर्म i.e. Hinduism(as you talk of all religion in general) first try to learn what it is based on. There is no clash in hindu religion and evolution theories. Dont show your ignorance towards the subject. If you want to discuss then before providing your self-proved statements do give a thought.

[karnivore]

^^ OK. Tell me which Hindu text admits of “evolution” as we know and understand in terms of science. I will update my knowledge. Making a statement is easy, but to back up your comments, with logic is perhaps a little difficult. Anyway, my "ignorance" tells me there is no such admission, neither is there any concrete debate, within "Hinduism", about this phenomena.
Again my "ignorance" has made the following observations:
- Science describes “evolution” as an event “within” nature. Hinduism describes it as “without”.
- Science defines evolution in terms of physical evolution. For Hinduism it is evolution of “consciousness” not body.
- For science evolution is a “trial and error method of adaptation”. For Hinduism it a conscious effort of “enlightenment” of mind.
- Science says “evolution” is thrust upon us by nature and is an inescapable phenomena. For Hinduism, it is an “will full” act on our part.

How, in the hell do u think, "evolution", as described by science, is same as "evolution" defined by Hinduism. OH i get it. Its same because u said so.

And come to think of it. I thought I gave my logic as to why “evolution” is in conflict with a religion, any religion. Of course, immaturity got the best of you. Read and try to think and then try to criticize.

Once again i ask:
If something divine really created us, why didn't he create us as complete humans, why did it take so million years to get here.

[mediator]

@Karnivore : It seems u r living in some sort of hallucination so as to be believing in "modern" science so blindly!

Do u even know how scientists conduct some experiments to develop medicines? They conduct experiments on animals like rabbits to produce medicines for humans? And then further it has been well known that within the humans too we have varying immunity levels!

Now science/basic chemistry also tells us if a substance burnt under ideal conditions its weight will alter. So y doesnt the weight of ghee alters? Is the science flawed then? Read this (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39340&page=4)Post #65.

Also please enlighten y r ur fella foreigners shocked about cowdung now when infact it has been written in vedas that it was used as counter to radioactivity?

Next abt homeopathy


There are two points of view about homeopathy that are in conflict. One viewpoint says that homeopathy should not attempt to meet the rigorous requirements of scientific medicine. It is sufficient that there have been millions of satisfied patients during the last 200 years. Science is not relevant anyway because it rejects the concept of the energy of the "vital force" which is essential to homeopathy. This vital force is identical to the concept of vitalism -- a primitive concept used to explain health and disease. And, besides, scientific medicine is unfairly prejudiced and biased against homeopathy. Dana Ullman [3], a leading spokesman for American homeopathy, says that personal experience is much more convincing than any experiments. The emphasis on experience shows that most people simply do not understand that good science, based upon experiments, is essential to the development of knowledge.


Homeopathy has existed for about 200 years, yet reports in the media have suggested that homeopathy is the medicine of the future.
Source (http://www.homeowatch.org/articles/wagner.html)


Here's a site that u shud read slowly and carefully!
http://vedicganita.org

So instead of opining abt the clashes and criticising Hinduism on the "basis of modern science", u shud really do some research. It seems ur "modern" science is flawed in some cases that it needs the help of vedic maths.

[zyberboy]

Exactly how u got to know that Universe is self-aware of its existence. Can u please throw some light on it, that is, if u can.

Already posted in this thread u may have missed it.
Every quantum particle is aware of the whole thing going on the entire universe, its like the whole thing is being recorded and experienced.universe acts as it is conscious.Scientist are on their way to prove this, for eg if a bomb blast occurs in a big city it is possible to decode this event at that instant itself from a remote place or from the other end of our milky way, Amazing isn't?.Scientist is proving this by using a robot which moves randomly in a surface(much more have to be explained here).......this experiment is new,but its base is QM.You may soon see about this in articles as experiments are being conducted.
This were science and religion coincidence that "Truth is ultimate",it cannot denied,it cannot be denied by saying that, u have not read this ,this day,this year even after millions of years.
All the investigation teams(like cbi) around the world hav this moto.That Truth will come to the light no matter how hard u cover it..Its the "cosmic law" of the universe.


Well "selfish gene" is not my theory. It was proposed by Richard Dawkins in 1976 and today its widely accepted, although not entirely without its own share of criticism. I would suggest u to first go through the book before u start tearing it apart.

Yeah, it is widely accepted that only goal of evolution is to pass the genes.Evolution is only a mincule part of the whole thing....and we cant explain the whole universe with this simple algorithm.

[chatterjeesayan]

y dear friend I've no time to say all the things I've said before.If you can not grasp the meaning of Truth,I have nothing to say.And if you say what is this Truth?I can't explain it to you.Firstly I have not percieved it,there are very few great souls who have percieved it and secondly it's not a matter to prove logically.Because the Truth I'm talking about is beyond space,time and causation.Anything inside space,time and causation is changing and therefore mortal.You can deny God but can you deny Truth?Denial of Truth is denial of our existence.Creating anything out of nothing is absurd..any logical mind will see that.And until you say why are we evolving?What is the purpose of life?I will no agree to you.I'm not at all trying to rationalize the mystery with the something "divine".We can not deny these question...who are we?Why are we here?What is the goal of life?Why are we evolving?And again and again why are you bringing the term evolution?Does evolution contradict Truth?Who has said you that believing in God means believing in a magical creation of life?And what is life after all?Can you define consciousness?

Remember the "Science" you are talking about is physical science.How can you deny the existence beyond it?If a man doesn't have a eye he can not see trees,houses etc.Does it mean that they don't exist?A creature like bat can sense sounds in the range in which man's ear is incapabale of sensing those sounds.Does it mean that there only exists sound between our audible range.Again,QUESTION TRUTH IS QUESTIONING THE EXISTENCE OF OURS.And creation of anything outof nothing is CHILDISH PRATTLE...I dare to say.EXISTECE OF GOD CAN NOT CONTRADICT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION ALL THE TIME.Has God signed a paper with you saying..."I will create this way or that way..."GOD SITTING ON A CHAIR AND DISPENSING JUSTICE IS NOT THE GOD WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

"we are in the process of becoming a still higher being."

Infinite evolution doesn't mean anything.Evolution is always finite.Our infinitely becoming finite is a concept to be laughed at.

"Thats where religion clashes with the concept of evolution....All religion grappled with this dilemma and finally came to the conclusion that "evolution" does not exist, because thats the best they could do in the face of compelling scientific evidences."

Atleast as far as I know Sanatana Dharma supports evolution.As our consciousness is being manifested gradually we are taking higher bodies for the purpose of attaing the Truth.This is what Eternal Religion says.

"Do u even read what u type. If someone believes in god he is a THEIST, if someone does not believe in god but believes in himself, he is still a THEIST. Kiddo, grow up."


"He is an atheist who does not believe in himself. The old religion said that he was an atheist who did not believe in God. The new religion says that he is the atheist who does not believe in himself. But it is not selfish faith, because the Vedanta, again, is the doctrine of oneness. It means faith in all, because you are all.".....SWAMI VIVEKANANDA

"My hunch is that u hav read the transcripts of Swami's works. A little of this and a little bit of that. As i suggested, go through the first 4 volumes thoroughly, and since u are a Bengali, read the Bengali version. Don't read anything beyond 4 rth volume. It will be waste of time."

It is what I've read..Jnanayoga,Karmayoga,BhaktiYoga,Partially Rajayoga and letters of Swami Vivekannada and Reminiscences of Swami Vivekananda by his eastern and western admirers.Please don't jusdge on behalf of others that what will be a WASTE OF TIME AND WHAT WILL BE NOT!

"Unbelievably stupid. OK, what is the law of karma, and who wrote it please. And yes u can hav pity on me"

Pity on you that you that you are ingnore of your work's consequence.If do good things you'll get good result and bad for bad deeds.Won't you fail poorly if don't study?Won't you get harsh words in return if you say harsh words to me?Think of it in an broad scale.Ant by the way..WHO WROTE THE "certain laws of physics, biology and chemistry.."????

"Fine, then define god."

I haven't realized Truth.As to percieve any scientific truth you must use the proper instruments,it is same in the case of religion.Practise Jnanayoga,Karmayoga,Bhaktiyoga,Rajayoga...you will attain truth surely.But it is not a child's play,that you can do it in five months.Don't say anything without practising them,it's not at all rational in type...it is stupidity.
And definition of God is impossible because he is beyond space time and causation..."Abang manaso gocharam"...beyond speech and mind.

"Like what..."


"Aham Brahmasmi"....Upanishad says.We are Brahman himself.But not this little.."badmayesh" I...but the greater I without the impurities of body mind complex.

"mystic has his own experience. The church goes from the outside in; the mystic goes from the inside out."

We have to after all say the truth.There are many Temples in India full of superstitious beliefs.they cruelly torture the downtroddens.If we say that raising a voice against them will be same to criticise Hinduism..it's ridiculous.So..you know churches opposed Galileo once.Was it desired?It was not Lord Jesus who did that thing.It was superstitous church.We have to say the truth...though it may offend aothers.AGAIN i SAY RELIGION IS NOT DOGMAS AND DOCTRINES IT IS REALISATION OF TRUTH,TRUTH AND TRUTH.....In this way,we are not at all religious....Am I?...NEVER NEVER NEVER...AT LEAST A CRORE MILE FROM IT...

"To repeat what someone has said, u need education. To challenge it, u need brains..."

Thinking of oneself as the most intelligent person(evn more than Einstein:D ) is stupidity.And to say "I am very much knowledgeable" is still more stupidity.I am not in a position to challenge any one my friend,neither have I any desire to show my ignorance(showing of knowledge is showing of ignorance). I love Truth that is why I say for Truth.I don't have any intention to forcibly convert anyone to my view.I am servant of servants af all of you.I don't dare to know the Infinite...Sat-chit- ananda with mere argument....a slight introspection reveals that we are scratching the surface of the Infinite.This "little I" of ours has limitations....knowing God with arguments is not possible,He is not percievable by senses...introspection reveals.

I want to LOVE science in its true form,I love Truth,I love the science that seeks truth...physics is my favourite subject.So any denying TRuth may keep his own views with him surely....but I can not agree with him who doubts our existence....in Bengali they are called "Shunya Badi Nastik"...I know that I am not totally an THEIST.Because I were ,I would have gone mad for Truth and not to be in such a position to type messages in a forum.Anybody Who has not seen God can not be said to be have a proper faith(not belief) in Truth,thus he is an ATHEIST and SO I AM,IN THAT SENSE.

Glory Unto Truth...glory Unto Truth ...glory Unto The Truth Ultimate....

[karnivore]

@ mediator.
It seems u r living in some sort of hallucination so as to be believing in "modern" science so blindly
This hallucinated world of mine does not tie me up in mindless dos and don’ts like your distorted reality. And tell u what, am loving it.;)
Do u even know how scientists conduct some experiments to develop medicines? They conduct experiments on animals like rabbits to produce medicines for humans? And then further it has been well known that within the humans too we have varying immunity levels!

Duh!! Whats your point. Scientists conduct experiments on animals because of the ethical reasons. U don’t want half formulated drug to be administered on humans and kill them in the process, or do u.:confused: :confused:
Now science/basic chemistry also tells us if a substance burnt under ideal conditions its weight will alter. So y doesnt the weight of ghee alters? Is the science flawed then?
Gullibility has a limit – that’s what I thought, until today. Ghee has a very high melting point, that’s why apparently it seems nothing is happening. Try it at home. Havn’t u heard of lamps where ghee is the fuel. Watch a ghee lamp burn. Perhaps that will stop u from making such silly posts.:lol: :lol:
Also please enlighten y r ur fella foreigners shocked about cowdung now when infact it has been written in vedas that it was used as counter to radioactivity?
Congratulations! U have successfully graduated, and topped, from the RSS University of Pseudo Hinduism. That “radiation” was known in the vedic ages is a little OTT, leave cow dungs' ability to absorb radiation. AFAIK, NASA uses a chemical mix of Granite to make things radiation-proof and not cow-dung.:eek: :eek:
Next abt homeopathy
I don’t see the relevance here. May be some other time.:rolleyes:

@cyberboy_kerala
Every quantum particle is aware of the whole thing going on the entire universe, its like the whole thing is being recorded and experienced.universe acts as it is conscious.Scientist are on their way to prove this, for eg if a bomb blast occurs in a big city it is possible to decode this event at that instant itself from a remote place or from the other end of our milky way, Amazing isn't?.Scientist is proving this by using a robot which moves randomly in a surface(much more have to be explained here).......this experiment is new,but its base is QM.You may soon see about this in articles as experiments are being conducted.
We are discussing "science" not "science fiction", like that crazy crap theory which says Black Hole is a port to a parallel universe.
....and we cant explain the whole universe with this simple algorithm
Well scientists are trying to do that only. First proposed and later dropped by Einstein, this theory is called “Super String Theory”. The idea is to reduce all the formula in the world to a single one, that will tie all these formula in a single sting.


@chatterjeesayan

Kid will be a kid. Anyway your first para contradicts everything u said so far and will say in future. Why ? Well, when u claim that u don’t know the “truth”, how can u even argue or for that matter, establish anything at all. When u don’t know the truth, how can u be so sure about anything. How do u know that u r right, or for that matter anything is. Similarly how can u say anybody is wrong. You don’t know the truth that your religion asks u to find, but you know what truth is to be told to other religion. Amazing.

Actually its pointless. I just hope that someday you will be able get beyond the narrow boundaries of religion and try to see everything, not from a religious point, but from the point of view of Humanity as whole.

BTW, I am yet to get an answer to this riddle:
If a Hindu converts to Islam[don't mean any offense. I chose Islam because is stands in contrast to Hindu belief in many ways than one], what happens to his “atma”, his belief, and all the baggage that comes with Hinduism. Does he continue to have the eternal atma or he looses it immediately.
CAVEAT: For all key-board happy junkies. If u say that "atma" continues to stay and behave as described by Hinduism, u would actually be saying Islam is wrong. If u say that it dies, u will be contradicting your own religion.

[chatterjeesayan]

PLEASE OUT OF THE SCIENTIFIC SUPERSTION,BE SCIENTIFIC MAN!!Please don't say irrational thing and put the blame on science.Again... be scientific man! Show ma one physicist who doesn't believe in God, the Truth.So you are saying that Enstein,Shroedinger were none!And how can you know that what you are seeing is true at all?Can you prove it with your so called science.But fortunately science is not like that...have science in its true flavour.Don't be SCIENTIFICALLY SUPERSTITIOUS....BE LOGICAL..AND BE READY TO APPRECIATE THE REAL "REAL".

" I just hope that someday you will be able get beyond the narrow boundaries of religion and try to see everything, not from a religious point, but from the point of view of Humanity as whole."

What you call science is not Science at all?Science is clear flow of logic,science is the methodical study of nature outside and inside.Science is what Einstein,Newton practised.ILLOGICAL PRATTLE AND SCIENCE HAS A HELL AND HEAVEN DIFFERENCE.CRYING OUT ONLY EVOLUTION...EVOLUTION..MAY BE ANYTHING BUT NOT SCIENCE.First try to realize science and then Religion.


"You don’t know the truth that your religion asks u to find, but you know what truth is to be told to other religion."

No,I've not realised God.If anyone says that he has,let me see this prophet first and bow my head down to his feet.I said that goal of life is to realize Truth,how know its nature before hand.Did Newton know what is Gravitation before discovering it?The genius discovered it and let the world know what it is.Truth is truth...we can't say anything more than that.How can you deny Truth?If there is no Truth,everything is false,we are false,our science is false...everything is false.

And Atman is deathless,it doesn't depend on whether you are a Hindu or a Muslim...a beast or a man.Because Atman is Truth.


And lastly I don't have enough time to say all the things again again and listen to all these illogical prattle...I'm not going to view this thread anymore...SO DON'T EXPECT MY ANSWER IN RETURN...YOU MAY SAY ANYTHING TO ME,TO YOUR HEART'S CONTENT...I CARE A HANG!!!!:)

@CYBERBOY


"Yeah, it is widely accepted that only goal of evolution is to pass the genes.Evolution is only a mincule part of the whole thing....and we cant explain the whole universe with this simple algorithm."

I DO COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU,IT IS WHAT I WANT TO SAY.

[mediator]

This hallucinated world of mine does not tie me up in mindless dos and don’ts like your distorted reality. And tell u what, am loving it.

Sorry to say, but my reality is more practical and based on truth than being theoretical like yours so as to be believing in something theoretical so blindly that you overlook its fallacies. And tell u what I am loving it!!

Did u even read the http://vedicganita.org that ur loving ur flawed science?? If u read the vedas and understand its meaning u'll love it more than u can!! Do u even know that NASA uses Vedic knowledge? Google if u know how to use it!!


Duh!! Whats your point. Scientists conduct experiments on animals because of the ethical reasons. U don’t want half formulated drug to be administered on humans and kill them in the process, or do u
Please dont talk about ethics, if they can kill animals in the process then its far from being ethical. U respect human life and I respect animal life too. BTW, I already told that humans too have diff. immunity levels. It seems u r trying to ignore the homeopathy point!!


Gullibility has a limit – that’s what I thought, until today. Ghee has a very high melting point, that’s why apparently it seems nothing is happening. Try it at home. Havn’t u heard of lamps where ghee is the fuel. Watch a ghee lamp burn. Perhaps that will stop u from making such silly posts.:lol::lol:
Perhaps u shud read the debate from the start and the link I gave for ur convenience and that wud stop u from being a joke!! This point was already put forward by someone!! There is something called ideal conditions. Did u skip science classes in skool or wat? Since when did the melting point started coming under ideal conditions? So nobody is mocking u over ur gullibility, but m trying to suggest u to shed ur ignorance and be more practical!! and ofcors -> :lol: :lol:



Congratulations! U have successfully graduated, and topped, from the RSS University of Pseudo Hinduism. That “radiation” was known in the vedic ages is a little OTT, leave cow dungs' ability to absorb radiation. AFAIK, NASA uses a chemical mix of Granite to make things radiation-proof and not cow-dung.
laughable!! R U Out of words that u started making personal remarks?? May be u need a foreigner like many INDIANS, who don't believe what their countrymen say, to believe in. So read (http://www.theenergyworks.co.nz/agnihotraarticle.html). What does RSS university... has to do here? :confused:?

Cow dung smells very sweet when it is dry. It has many interesting properties including not holding radioactivity, and has been used as a shield in NASA's capsules!


I don’t see the relevance here. May be some other time.

Ofcors, when u r able to read and understand paragraphs and their relevance, links and debates then come and get enlightened!! We don't need illiterates who can't even follow up with debates and read what has been debated to be expert opining all around!! And then they keep crying that modern science is flawless and even think that it can used as a basis to
contradict something like Vedas which has been ackowledged by and amazes the scientists themselves and which has its practical importance and is working!!

[karnivore]

@chatterjeesayan
HA HA HA.:D :D :D :D
One angry kid, we got there. So finally......a poke in the bush and the cat is out of the bag. Now finally you can see that its one thing to read and talk of so called "truth" and it is another to get past the contradictions that the whole concept brings in.
...BE READY TO APPRECIATE THE REAL "REAL".[/QUOTE]
Now i hav to know what real "real" is from a kid who is perhaps not even out from school ??? Hmmmmm.......:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
[quote]Truth is truth...we can't say anything more than that.How can you deny Truth?If there is no Truth,everything is false,we are false,our science is false...everything is false.
A breakthrough discovery, i must say. And am i noting a little confusion here ? R u getting more and more obscure ? Because u see, "obscurantism" is the flip side of any religion.
And Atman is deathless,it doesn't depend on whether you are a Hindu or a Muslim...a beast or a man.Because Atman is Truth
There u go. Just as i expected. U r forcing an exclusive Hindu belief onto another religion which does not even believe in "ATMA", in the first place. So, one of us is wrong. Either we, Hindus or they Muslims. As a believer of Hindu hegemony, you obviously think, its them, the Muslims. How wonderful. And i am not even saying how, someone who claims to not know the truth, is absolutely sure that ATMA IS the TRUTH. I am giving u the benefit of doubt here, since you are a kid.:D :D :D :D

I hope i have been able to logically discuss the fallacy here. Thats why i find contradictions in Vivekananda. Any time u switch religion or place your self in a different pair of shoes, all his writings fall apart. Same is the case with Bible, Koran, Trpitak etc. And thats where science rules. With all its shortcomings it is never partial. Its same, if u r Hindu or Muslim or Christian. It is always the same.:cool: :cool: :cool:

Its a pity that u have decided not to view this thread. Would hav loved to see you around.

[karnivore]

@mediator

Sorry to say, but my reality is more practical and based on truth than being theoretical like yours so as to be believing in something theoretical so blindly that you overlook its fallacies. And tell u what I am loving it!!
Am glad that that you are loving it. Congratulations!!!!!
Did u even read the http://vedicganita.org (http://vedicganita.org/) that ur loving ur flawed science?? If u read the vedas and understand its meaning u'll love it more than u can!! Do u even know that NASA uses Vedic knowledge? Google if u know how to use it!!
For once can u please prove how authentic that site is. Cauz u know, i hav this bad habit of not falling for any dime-a-dozen site. Some proof of its authenticity would be appreciated.
Are u sure NASA knows about this???:D :grin: :grin: :grin:
Tell me, 0 (zero) was discovered in India (along with ancient Egypt). Does that mean we invented half of computer codes.
Please dont talk about ethics, if they can kill animals in the process then its far from being ethical. U respect human life and I respect animal life too.
Glad to hear your love for animals. But how do u suppose the medicines should be tested. Please write to the WHO with your esteemed suggestions.
BTW, I already told that humans too have diff. immunity levels. It seems u r trying to ignore the homeopathy point!!
Yes they do. So. People born in hilly area are more adept with heights than people in the plains. Whats so mysterious about it. Its all gene, dude.
Perhaps u Shu read the debate from the start and the link I gave for ur convenience and that wud stop u from being a joke!! This point was already put forward by someone!! There is something called ideal conditions. Did u skip science classes in skool or wat? Since when did the melting point started coming under ideal conditions? So nobody is mocking u over ur gullibility, but m trying to suggest u to shed ur ignorance and be more practical!!
Hmmm......all you hav to do is light a lamp with ghee as fuel. You will get your answer. Is it very difficult for u to do. The "myth" will be busted in your own room. OH i get it. You are afraid that you will know the "truth":lol: :lol: :lol:


But anyway............wasting my time.

[mediator]

For once can u please prove how authentic that site is. Cauz u know, i hav this bad habit of not falling for any dime-a-dozen site. Some proof of its authenticity would be appreciated.
Are u sure NASA knows about this???
Tell me, 0 (zero) was discovered in India (along with ancient Egypt). Does that mean we invented half of computer codes.

Authenticity? Do u want me to give u classified documents of NASA. Grow up!!
I guess ur really not up-to-date with technology. Do u know what "google" is? Now dont ask me to enlighten u about the English alphabet! If that site intrigues u then u can google for more. Atleast I am not expert opining like u. Who is saying we invented half of computers code though many brains in computing/development are Indians!!

I guess u r out of words and therefore talking absurd now! I am talking of concepts and practical working becoz of which ayurveda,vedic maths etc are used by braniacs all around the world now and u r talking about 0 and code? Laughable indeed!


Glad to hear your love for animals. But how do u suppose the medicines should be tested. Please write to the WHO with your esteemed suggestions.

Baah, here we have another one ur whinings!!


Yes they do. So. People born in hilly area are more adept with heights than people in the plains. Whats so mysterious about it. Its all gene, dude.

Do I need to repeat abt homeopathy in such cases now? U know, and still talking like a blind believer in modern science?


Hmmm......all you hav to do is light a lamp with ghee as fuel. You will get your answer. Is it very difficult for u to do. The "myth" will be busted in your own room. OH i get it. You are afraid that you will know the "truth"



Hmmm......all you hav to do is light a lamp with ghee as fuel. You will get your answer. Is it very difficult for u to do. The "myth" will be busted in your own room. OH i get it. You are afraid that you will know the "truth"


But anyway............wasting my time.

I told u to read the previous posts.
Wasting ur time? its called "TROLL"! Guess u really aren't used to reading previous posts! I guess u have nuthing to say now and thats why ur unnecessarily trolling! So I rest my case here or do u want to continue? Feel free to say yes!

Likewise I can give u more of such links, but y waste my eforts on someone who skipped science classes in skool, can't read previous replies and has a hard time opening and undertstanding the English in the links provided!! How tragic!

Read the links and then entertain me further!

[karnivore]

^^WOW. Seriously, WOW. I just finished reading the entire thread, specially yours [i am feeling a little dizzy, right now]. I hav to admit, that yes, your are absolutely right. You are just too smart for me. :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: That all the world's scientific knowledge is a big lie and compared to your insights and wisdom, we stand a million miles away. Yes i was keeping it a secret. Now........Its out in the open and the stone is off my chest and i can breathe again. PHEW.

[zyberboy]

As with Albert Einstein, the greatest scientist the world has ever seen and will probably see, criticism is of different kind. He started his scientific quest, questioning god. But as he made discoveries he slowly became convinced that something called God exists. And that’s when he started to make mistakes. He became a staunch critique of “Theory of Quantum Mechanics”, simply it contradicted his concept of God. Remember his famous words “God does not play dice”, while he was referring to the essence of unpredictability of sub-atomic particles suggested by Quantum Mechanics. The scientific world stood hanging their jaw as more and more lab tests started to prove QM and Einstein became all the more adamant in proving his point. Today, QM is the core essence of studying sub-atomic particles.
This shows u r mistaken about Einstein .Einstein himself stated quite clearly, that he did not believe in a personal God.He believed in a orderly arrangement of matter which is against QM in which every thing is random,This is why he said "God does not play dice", its not about the god tat u r thinking.Both special theory of relativity AND QM explains matter but in different way, and both are unified in M-Theory/String Theory.


""It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly.""

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."

--Albert Einstein


We are discussing "science" not "science fiction", like that crazy crap theory which says Black Hole is a port to a parallel universe.

lolz


"Those who are not