Browser War - Take your pick

[Third Eye]

You are the first guy who likes IE:o

[Arsenal_Gunners]

^^Shut your browser and use IE 7 for once:D

[Third Eye]

lol i can't stop using Firefox

[Arsenal_Gunners]

When I switched to vista,for some time I had only IE,and I was really impressed by its speed:D

[Third Eye]

You must send Bill gates a letter(via mail) for becoming the first guy to be impressed by IE,i am sure he will give you some prize.

[Arsenal_Gunners]

I love checking my bsnl account as it gives me "opportunity" to use IE:D

[aryayush]

@tech_mastermind
Uh... he's the third actually. The first is Steve Ballmer and the second is gx_saurav.

And Bill Gates is an intelligent man. He will probably read the letter and think how stupid people can be sometimes. And he'll be reading the email on some other browser. :D
__________
I love checking my bsnl account as it gives me "opportunity" to use IE:DLOL! :lol:

Nice change of tack! :p

[Third Eye]

oh yeah buddy u are right:D

[s18000rpm]

try using Opera & you wont use FF again:p:D

as for IE7, yeah i like it too, coz www.animax-sa.com does not work (properly) on both Opera & FireFox:x (in Opera, i use "Mask as IE" option, still nothing:x)

[Third Eye]

^ Opera is not crap:evil:

s18000rpm: I think www.animax-sa.com is developed by Bill gates:D:D

[Arsenal_Gunners]

I press enter after filling a url and go to watch a match,after I come back the site is still "Opening":D

[s18000rpm]

@Arsenal, i already told you that your PC is not PC but a PeeC :D:D:D:D

THIS ONLY happens in your PeeC:p:p:p

[shantanu]

why you peecing on the thread :D:D:D

[s18000rpm]

so i made a typo. Opera is still far more better, coz i dont need to go & find the plug-ins (like u do), & IF i ever need to re-install XP/FF then i'll have to find them all over again:x (or take back up.....), but same is not the case with Opera:p

[Arsenal_Gunners]

^I just copied the plugins from xp FF dir.:pSo no Hassels.

[aryayush]

Opera is in fact the fastest browser on Windows. I dunno why you are facing problems.

[Arsenal_Gunners]

That match thing was a joke but seriously their is a speed difference favoring FF.
I know you guys are not fools to talk so highly of Opera,but I found FF faster and simple.

[aryayush]

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/41.gif It is really refreshing to see someone talk civilly in the 'Fight Club' thread in the face of opposition. I am trying to hone this particular skill myself. Keep it up, Vimal! :)

[Arsenal_Gunners]

Thanks:D:D(but fight club experts will kick my behind:p)

[Rollercoaster]

Opera Opera Opera Opera Opera Opera Opera Opera Opera
:-D

[Asfaq]

^ thts wat u call 'rabid fanboyism' :D

[hailgautam]

I love checking my bsnl account as it gives me "opportunity" to use IE:D

me too...:D

[Wannabe_a_techie]

I use both FF and Opera but I prefer Opera because FF appears to slow down with more than six tabs.

Opera continues to run efficiently with more than eight tabs.

And also when the power supply fails, or the system hangs, FF loses all settings and closes all tabs, whereas Opera opens right back to the displayed pages!

[praka123]

in my windows using days i remember using opera (some version early 2001 ) and it really screwed!really boys! it showed a HOLI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holi) effect in the screen of Windows OS!colors spreaded all over the browser with some colors chasing ur mouse arrow when u try moving mouse over opera.:D
But it happens not every time.sometimes it unexpectedly coming.
I tried using Opera 9 in Debian GNU/Linux (http://debian.org)and left it after sometime(precisely 1 day!):D:)).
I Know Firefox is also not that gr8.the devels not at all mentioning or fixing the resource hogging and hangs if the browser opens more tabs.even after the project is open source:rolleyes:.

[appu]

in my windows using days i remember using opera (some version early 2001 ) and it really screwed!really boys! it showed a HOLI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holi) effect in the screen of Windows OS!colors spreaded all over the browser with some colors chasing ur mouse arrow when u try moving mouse over opera.:D
But it happens not every time.sometimes it unexpectedly coming.
I tried using Opera 9 in Debian GNU/Linux (http://debian.org)and left it after sometime(precisely 1 day!):D:)).
I Know Firefox is also not that gr8.the devels not at all mentioning or fixing the resource hogging and hangs if the browser opens more tabs.even after the project is open source:rolleyes:.

to tell u havent tried opera properly after all
myself using it for past 2 yrs never had any prob at all
yup firefox is resource hogging and never used it all
:p
Of all Opera is the best:D

[chicha]

the big O for me.
Its fast and nice to use.
Opera is gOOOd.

[aj27july]

MOZILLA FIREFOX is the better, safer and faster one

[nepcker]

Where's Camino? It's a great browser.

I use a combination of Safari and Camino, though I prefer Safari.

[vysakh]

yet another opera fan

[dtox]

for http, i use opera coz its page rendering n image rendering engines r better than firefox, for https sites, i use firefox coz for some reason opera is slower on this protocol..

[Tech.Masti]

using both Firefox and Opera.... forget the last date when i use IE :p

[planetcall]

due to huge bandwidth usage I thought of trying Opera. I do admit Opera is a pretty good browser but I never could go pass this initial willingness primarily due to the extensibility provided by firefox. FF is like a suit which performs so many tasks for me. Opera do support widgets but I really dislike it in comparison to FF nifty extensions. Moreover, Opera is yet to support AIRoboform. The software without which I wont use any other browser. I have used Opera Wand and it comes no where near roboform.
Finally I decide to stick with Firefox because I have 1GB Ram and the memory hog doesnt pose a big threat to me. Though I would love it more if it becomes as sexy and as slick as Opera.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h276/DianneOnly/i-love-firefox-not-opera.gif

[ThinkFree]

Nothing can be better than the best, and Opera is the best!

[ankushkool]

what about 'netscape' :confused:

[ssk_the_gr8]

netscape is a good browser but opera & firefox have become better than it...but if u like netscape u can use it...its good

[goobimama]

Firefox sucks. IE rulez!

[..:: Free Radical ::..]

My first third party browser was Opera 6 (around 2001). Followed every version after it.
Opera was and still is the fastest to render web pages.
I was attracted to its smart cache, rendering, simplistic interface, low resources and several other advantages, like ability to block ads.
Then came along Maxthon (Around 2003,Then known as MyIE2, they had to change the name due to copyright issues). It was the first browser and that too based on IE6 which could be customized by addon extensions (not firefox). I switched to it due to tabbed browsing, mouse gestures and drag and drop and since it was based on IE, all my IE toolbars and customizations could be exported.
Then along came firefox. I tried scores of extensions. Now I have 92 running, all of them i can't do without. Switched permanently to firefox after I months of tweaking. Some extensions that won't let me crank up any other browser : AdBlockPlus (Even blocked the ThinkDigit Logo :.....Boo to me :D, besides every script or flash I find), ScrapBook, GreaseMonkey, Stylish, Drag de go, IEtab, Gspace, TabMix plus, FireFTP, User Agent switcher .............etc.
Things I dislike about Firefox::::::::o oh that ugly statusbar. In opera, the status Bar is equivalent to a toolbar. you can drag and drop anything. I usually used to drag the Status button (which shows the location of the highlighted link) on another toolbar. Opera does ACID2. (Ever tried it on Firefox, it splatters the head).
Opera still is the fastest and best out of the box. But for productivity and security, nothing beats a tweaked Firefox..(helped me find backdoors to several useful sites :D)
I have nightmares that my hard disk crashes and all my firefox ssettings are lost. So i made 2 backups for firefox, the profiles folder is on a separated drive which I never format.
My wish. I hope someday Opera and Mozilla merge to bring us one grand browser with all their individual features. Hey a guy can dream right ? :D
Got IE7 so that IEtab on Firefox could use the latest version of IE :D
Btw, voted for both Firefox & Opera for the poll.

EDIT;
After a crazy couple of days of Stylish CSS scripting for Firefox, I can now assert without any bit of doubt that Firefox rules.

[Pathik]

just for the kicks....
OPERA ROX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:) :D

[s_aerin]

Opera rocks, especially on dial-ups

[Goten]

Firefox user here.

Was an opera user coz of its friendliness n many features when I was on broadband.

But now I am on dial up gpra internet.

Firefox rocks in that department n opera cant even open google.

Peace~~~!

[Harvik780]

I used Firefox for surfing and used to use Internet explorer 7 for downloading.But all that changed today as i found that IE 7 was giving me extremely low download speeds compared to opera.I got 120KB/s in IE which later dropped to 20KB/s then again rose to 44KB/s(the average).In opera i got a consistent 80KB/s.So i still use Firefox for surfing but now opera for downloading.

[tarey_g]

I am using opera till Maxthon 2 comes out.

[¦Rage--oצ]

Any time FIREFOX!!!!

[MetalheadGautham]

Internet Explorer sucks at rendering standard pages
Mozilla Firefox is damn too slow and buggy wuth version 3
Opera is not fast as claimed by its developers and it has rendering issues
Galeon and Epiphany are downright unstable
Konqueror & Safari is extremely hard to use - hardly any buttons. KHTML suks
Dillo is GTK1.2+, not GTK2+ so its unusable


ALL BROWSERS SUCK NOW

[axxo]

WTH :confused:

[aryayush]

Safari is extremely hard to use - hardly any buttons.OK, I’m not one to get embroiled in a browser war but that’s one of the weirdest statements I’ve ever read. Safari is a pleasure to use. Generally, lesser buttons = simpler interface.

[goobimama]

^^ For a geek who likes to do a lot of things to acheive a simple result, it must be painful! Imagine instead of doing all those DHTs and tunnelings and socketing, all he had to do was just press one button? How would he look in front of his geek friends?

[MetalheadGautham]

OK, I’m not one to get embroiled in a browser war but that’s one of the weirdest statements I’ve ever read. Safari is a pleasure to use. Generally, lesser buttons = simpler interface.
But buttons I WANT are not there.
I need buttons to access several features for which I would otherwise need to go through lots of menus. Thats why I used to love Firefox. Lots of easy to access features.
^^ For a geek who likes to do a lot of things to acheive a simple result, it must be painful! Imagine instead of doing all those DHTs and tunnelings and socketing, all he had to do was just press one button? How would he look in front of his geek friends?
WTF ? Why the FU[K would I want to do lots to get something small done ?
Either you are really delusioned about geeks, or you are just mad.
Geeks are like to get MORE CONTROL and get work done FASTER.

And anyway, WebKit, KHTML and Opera lack several of Gecko's features.
That makes me ditch all non gecko browsers already from usable list.

The only browser left now for me to use I guess is Skipstone.
It uses WebKit and Gecko Engine. Both can be used.
And its damn light.
But I never got an opportunity to test it.
Now I CAN'T test it as I want as less GTK apps as possible.

[maddy_35420]

Opera

[MetalheadGautham]

Things I hate about Opera:

1. I can't re-arrange my toolbars.
2. I can't pull a bookmark down in the bookmarks manager.
3. I can't resize the toolbars and make them smaller.
4. Pressing Down button in a text box does not take you to end of the text.
5. No support for WYSIWG editing in Blogger and vBulletin.
6. Not at all as fast as it claims to be.

But unfortunately, its the ONLY browser I can use. Konqueror is not right enough and Firefox 3 is too buggy. So Opera is the only KDE browser left.

[aryayush]

But buttons I WANT are not there.
I need buttons to access several features for which I would otherwise need to go through lots of menus. Thats why I used to love Firefox. Lots of easy to access features.

WTF ? Why the FU[K would I want to do lots to get something small done ?
Either you are really delusioned about geeks, or you are just mad.
Geeks are like to get MORE CONTROL and get work done FASTER.

And anyway, WebKit, KHTML and Opera lack several of Gecko's features.
That makes me ditch all non gecko browsers already from usable list.

The only browser left now for me to use I guess is Skipstone.
It uses WebKit and Gecko Engine. Both can be used.
And its damn light.
But I never got an opportunity to test it.
Now I CAN'T test it as I want as less GTK apps as possible.Ah well, I’ve just started tuning out of a conversation the moment someone mentions “more features” anyway.

So yeah, carry on—Safari is a pain to use, what with the illogical single button for stop/reload and the stupid space-saving page loading animation. Who wants all that simplicity anyway, as long as we can have a truckload of features! It’s not like you need a browser just for browsing through the web anyway. If it cannot do your laundry and fire a hole halfway across Argentina, it’s clearly not worth anyone’s time.

Carry on…

[MetalheadGautham]

Ah well, I’ve just started tuning out of a conversation the moment someone mentions “more features” anyway.

So yeah, carry on—Safari is a pain to use, what with the illogical single button for stop/reload and the stupid space-saving page loading animation. Who wants all that simplicity anyway, as long as we can have a truckload of features! It’s not like you need a browser just for browsing through the web anyway. If it cannot do your laundry and fire a hole halfway across Argentina, it’s clearly not worth anyone’s time.

Carry on…
Ofcourse single button for reload and stop is illogical for the things I do with the browser.
And I think the page loading animation on the address bar looks ugly.
Safari has NO download manager with multiple paralell threads of a single file and MD5 checking.
Safari has no Adblock extention.
Safari has no Flashblock extention.
Safari has no Video Downloader extention.
Safari looks ugly.

Want more ?

[The_Devil_Himself]

all hail FF3.

amen.

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

Firefox FTW.
Its got cool adblock and many many plugins all for FREE. Unlike IE, well you know.
Also the Bookmark toolbar without which i can't manage.

[MetalheadGautham]

Firefox FTW.
Its got cool adblock and many many plugins all for FREE. Unlike IE, well you know.
Also the Bookmark toolbar without which i can't manage.
+1.
If only they fixed FF3 and made it more fast and stable:(

[Pathik]

Opera 9.5. Awesome. Always.

[MetalheadGautham]

Opera 9.5. Awesome. Always.
Hell no. Didn't you see my list of opera shortcommings ?
You can't even move items on the personal bar by dragging.
GMail takes insanely long time to load.
No WYSIWYG editing for posting replies in vBulletin forum.
It seriously sucks.

The only reason I use it is because Konqueror sucks more.(same old story of safari - tooo minimalistic, lacking many features)

[The Outsider]

Things I hate about Opera:

1. I can't re-arrange my toolbars.
2. I can't pull a bookmark down in the bookmarks manager.
3. I can't resize the toolbars and make them smaller.
4. Pressing Down button in a text box does not take you to end of the text.
5. No support for WYSIWG editing in Blogger and vBulletin.
6. Not at all as fast as it claims to be.

But unfortunately, its the ONLY browser I can use. Konqueror is not right enough and Firefox 3 is too buggy. So Opera is the only KDE browser left.


i don't really care bout your "opera shortcomings" but consider yourself lucky having not met a person like me in real, i bet ya, you'd think twice before bashing opera while using it yourself ever again ;)

[nitish_mythology]

For mys slow, ages old pc.... OPERA ROCKS!

[sakumar79]

@Gautam, to rearrange Bookmarks, under Manage Bookmarks, select View Option and set it to Sort By My Order... Then you can rearrange them...

To resize toolbars, you can 1) choose a different skin which is of smaller size or 2) not sure if you can do this, but you should be able to edit the skin ini files to resize them...

In a text box, press End to move to end of Line, and Ctrl+End to move to end of text... I think you can edit the keyboard shortcuts for this too...

Its quite fast for me in Windows and on Ubuntu Gnome, havent tried on KDE; plus "fast" is a term which depends on each persons perception, so I cant help you there...

Rest I dont know...

Arun

[hullap]

Things I hate about Opera:

1. I can't re-arrange my toolbars.
2. I can't pull a bookmark down in the bookmarks manager.
3. I can't resize the toolbars and make them smaller.
4. Pressing Down button in a text box does not take you to end of the text.
5. No support for WYSIWG editing in Blogger and vBulletin.
6. Not at all as fast as it claims to be.

But unfortunately, its the ONLY browser I can use. Konqueror is not right enough and Firefox 3 is too buggy. So Opera is the only KDE browser left.

dude if u want a FF based broswer get 'Flock'
u shall love it :|
http://flock.com/

[dheeraj_kumar]

Best is the superlative degree. Your poll allows us to choose multiple options. How is that? :)

That said, Opera 95% and FF 5% of the time, since some websites are buggy with opera(their fault, not opera's)

[bhushan05d251]

opera rockz......

[Pathik]

Flock just seemed to be a FF ripoff. Just that it had better blogging support.

[krazzy]

Safari and Firefox 3 are the best browsers ever!

[smit]

^ People like you who don't how to use Opera think FF is the best , LOL don't say FF & Safari are better just because you don't how to use some good features of Opera, Opera is the best & the fastest browser right now & it has everything in built unlike FF which needs extentions & addons , so krazzy i suggest you to learn how to use Opera instead of making such statements.

[MetalheadGautham]

^ People like you who don't how to use Opera think FF is the best , LOL don't say FF & Safari are better just because you don't how to use some good features of Opera, Opera is the best & the fastest browser right now & it has everything in built unlike FF which needs extentions & addons , so krazzy i suggest you to learn how to use Opera instead of making such statements.
I use opera (even right now) and I MUST agree that its not at all as feature rich as Firefox and has tonnes of issues.

The most obvious problem is that Opera can't even use the WYSIWG mode in vBulletin posting.

As for the word "fastest", its a big fat LIE. Firefox and Opera are of the same speed, and only Konqueror with its ultra light weight KHTML Engine beats them. Infact, once the cache is emptied, Opera takes significantly more time to load pages than firefox.

Opera also lacks lots of customisability and usability options. For instance, I can't move the toolbars and buttons around to suit my needs.

The only reason I am stuck with using opera is because firefox has raised its system requirements to match that of windows pissta.:mad: And safari/konqueror are too minimal. SkipStone and Khazkhese are the only browsers I think will work but I am too lazy to try them now.

[praka123]

@gowtham: use Epiphany browser!it suits everything! :p and gecko/webkit backends available too!

[Pathik]

^ Actually when nothing seems to work, I think you should realize its time to upgrade.
And the fact remains that Opera IS the FASTEST browser on Earth. FF3 is good too, but a memory hog.

[MetalheadGautham]

@gowtham: use Epiphany browser!it suits everything! :p and gecko/webkit backends available too!
Epiphany sucks!
It crashes whenever multiple tabs are open without any reason.
^ Actually when nothing seems to work, I think you should realize its time to upgrade.
And the fact remains that Opera IS the FASTEST browser on Earth. FF3 is good too, but a memory hog.
Opera IS NOT THE FASTEST BROWSER ON EARTH AND I HAVE CONFIRMED THAT
Upgrade ? Why The F should I upgrade ? Everything was working fine till recently.

The main problem is that every engine ecept Gecko has shortcommings and can't do X, Y and Z. So only Gecko browsers are there for me. But NO gecko browser has QT support. And their king, FF3, is a memory hog, but still such an excellent browser.

I think I need to try out SeaMonkey now.:x

[s18000rpm]

^ Actually when nothing seems to work, I think you should realize its time to upgrade.
yup.

maybe plug-ins make ff3 take up the resource.

but in opera 9.5, when the cache is cleared, it takes some time (a LOT more than v9.27) to load a page.
btw, v9.5 re-loads the speed dial (images) everytime cache is cleared.

[ThinkFree]

^ People like you who don't how to use Opera think FF is the best ,

Firefox is better . Using Opera, I am unable to login in any google service(Gmail,Orkut, google docs.....).It just redirects me to the login page. Yahoo mail new version doesn't work either.Secure sites take too long to open. Plus a lot of other issues. Tried not only on windows but linux as well but same results

[s18000rpm]

Opera IS NOT THE FASTEST BROWSER ON EARTH AND I HAVE CONFIRMED THATLOL. & you are?
Upgrade ? Why The F should I upgrade ? Everything was working fine till recently.



LOL, no comments:D

[smit]

gmail & yahoo works perfectly with me so its a problem with your PC not opera, guys Opera is the fastest browser out there , i have tested it myself with some ad blocking scripts on the net + opera , it's the fastest browser out there , you guys who have a hard time don't how to use some of the advance opera features , like for e.g. most of guys i encounter don't how to use Ad blocking scripts in Opera :D so learn

[s18000rpm]

Firefox is better . Using Opera, I am unable to login in any google service(Gmail,Orkut, google docs.....).It just redirects me to the login page. Yahoo mail new version doesn't work either.Secure sites take too long to open. Plus a lot of other issues. Tried not only on windows but linux as well but same results
i check my 'g'-mail & yahoo in opera. no such issues.

try this & see
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/42/oprvl6.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oprvl6.jpg)

[ThinkFree]

Smit, Tell what could be the problem if you consider you know all the features of Opera. Better said than done. Gmail works when I log in for the very first time after installing opera, but not after that.

[MetalheadGautham]

LOL. & you are?
I am a user who has tested many more things than just a browser or two.
All this on MY own rig, so I know what works best on MY RIG.

[smit]

Smit, Tell what could be the problem if you consider you know all the features of Opera. Better said than done. Gmail works when I log in for the very first time after installing opera, but not after that.

come online to yahoo, i might be able to slove your problem , here is the proof that gmail works.

http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=95369314ko0.jpg

[s18000rpm]

I am a user who has tested many more things than just a browser or two.
All this on MY own rig, so I know what works best on MY RIG.

then you should add a little tag - "Opera IS NOT THE FASTEST BROWSER in my rig AND I HAVE CONFIRMED THAT:p

[smit]

asnvin @ here is the proof the new yahoo mail works ,

http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20327273gr9.jpg

so you see the problem is with your guys rigs not opera, it's fastest browser out there & i have been using it since Opera 7.0 (or something)


edit : i think asnvin , s18000rpm has already given the sloution.


Edit 2 : dosn't hang

[MetalheadGautham]

then you should add a little tag - ":p
as far as I am concerned, for all practical perposes, both mean the same to me :p

And why didn't you answer my other questions ?

01. Where is the WYSIWYG editor in a vBulletin forum ?

02. Where is ability to drag bookmarks around in the bookmark toolbar ?

03. Where is ability to customize toolbars ?

04. Where is pause/resume and accelerator in download manager ?

05. Where is ability to thin toolbars which are now fat and space hogs ?

06. Where is option to rename speed dial sites to something else ?

07. Where is the a close button on tab when page is loading and its the only tab ?

08. Where is ability to select another search engine from speed dial search ?

09. Where is ability to rearrange the list of search engines ?

10. Where is the ability to view cache contents ?

11. Where is the ablity to open GMail in "normal" time ?

12. Where is google toolbar for Opera ?

13. Where is flashblocker ?


I should mention that all these are there in Firefox. And as for opera, its designed using the QT4 toolkit, which is much much more advanced and easier to program with than the GTK2+ which firefox uses. So it should have had MORE, not LESS.

[ThinkFree]

No. I posted this question on this forum long time ago but still wasn't able to get the solution. Have you tried right clicking in ymail. It first shows its own right click menu and that of ymail is covered behind it.

[MetalheadGautham]

and should I add that when I edit my post, and go to another link, then press back button and click save changes, opera hangs like sh!t.

[ThinkFree]

^^Yes you should

[smit]

and should I add that when I edit my post, and go to another link, then press back button and click save changes, opera hangs like sh!t.

it doesn't happen with me , sorry as i said its you rig i guess its maybe your linux is not supported or whatever it is , yahoo mail & gmail works nicely & i never encounter hanging problem like you guys mention , there were some problem is Opera 9.5 beat but not with the final version i never encounterd anything & with Opera 10 i think opera will way ahead from other browsers

[ThinkFree]

^^I downloaded it from Opera's official site. The same version that the site asked me to download for my distro.

[Pathik]

WTF. Dude, if you keep hoping that everything should work in an almost dead rig then Good luck.
As for your queries in Red, i will post some solutions wen i get my pc. 80% of what you said is already there.
1. Vb's fault
4. Wtf. Have you ever used opera?
10.opera:cache
6. Dude, do you have speed dial in your beloved FF.?
More later.

[smit]

ok here is the proof that right clicking yahoo menu works in Opera ,
http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=67730927vz2.jpg

if you come to yahoo messanger i might be able to help you but as for me i never encounterd anything like you guys said

[ray|raven]

And why didn't you answer my other questions ?

01. Where is the WYSIWYG editor in a vBulletin forum ?

02. Where is ability to drag bookmarks around in the bookmark toolbar ?

03. Where is ability to customize toolbars ?

04. Where is pause/resume and accelerator in download manager ?

05. Where is ability to thin toolbars which are now fat and space hogs ?

06. Where is option to rename speed dial sites to something else ?

07. Where is the a close button on tab when page is loading and its the only tab ?

08. Where is ability to select another search engine from speed dial search ?

09. Where is ability to rearrange the list of search engines ?

10. Where is the ability to view cache contents ?

11. Where is the ablity to open GMail in "normal" time ?

12. Where is google toolbar for Opera ?

13. Where is flashblocker ?


1. I see the WYSIWYG editor clearly in the digit forums. Perhaps you should check again.

2. The ability is clearly there, just click-n-hold a bookmark on the personal bar and drag it around to position it.

3. Did you try right-clicking an empty space on a toolbar and clicking Customize in the menu that pops-up?

4. Pause is denoted by Stop in Opera. Clicking Stop gives you an option to resume the download later, if the download is supported.

5. http://operawiki.info/AdvancedToolbarINIGuide

6. You can change the title in the speeddial.ini file in your opera profile folder.Did you know you can also go beyond 9 speed dials?

7. Goto Tools>Preferences>Advanced>Tabs>Advanced Tab Options , and check allow window with no tabs. Then you'll have a close button even if a single tab is present.

8. Goto Tools>Preferences>Search , select any search engine you want , edit it and in the edit window , click more details and select use as speed dial search engine.

9. I honestly know no way of doing this , nor any reason for it either.

10. Goto opera:cache

11. I have no idea what you mean by "normal time"

12. Ask Google.

13. http://my.opera.com/Lex1/blog/show.dml/1032648

Only reason i went through answering all those questions which could've been answered by a simple google search is just to tell you , that it possible in opera , and next time you think something isnt, try Google first or maybe http://operawiki.info/

[ThinkFree]

^6. Fastdial addon : https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5721

[smit]

as far as I am concerned, for all practical perposes, both mean the same to me :p

And why didn't you answer my other questions ?

01. Where is the WYSIWYG editor in a vBulletin forum ?

02. Where is ability to drag bookmarks around in the bookmark toolbar ?

03. Where is ability to customize toolbars ?

04. Where is pause/resume and accelerator in download manager ?

05. Where is ability to thin toolbars which are now fat and space hogs ?

06. Where is option to rename speed dial sites to something else ?

07. Where is the a close button on tab when page is loading and its the only tab ?

08. Where is ability to select another search engine from speed dial search ?

09. Where is ability to rearrange the list of search engines ?

10. Where is the ability to view cache contents ?

11. Where is the ablity to open GMail in "normal" time ?

12. Where is google toolbar for Opera ?

13. Where is flashblocker ?


I should mention that all these are there in Firefox. And as for opera, its designed using the QT4 toolkit, which is much much more advanced and easier to program with than the GTK2+ which firefox uses. So it should have had MORE, not LESS.

ok lets start with the problems , i can't slove the first problem since its VB'S falut so ask VB.


2nd & 3rd problem , this guides should solve it ,
Link:-
http://www.pallab.net/2006/04/12/extending-opera-the-ultimate-guide-to-customizing-opera/

link 2:- http://ask.metafilter.com/39633/Bookmarks-toolbar-in-Opera-9


4th you need to use opera first , its already there so your rig is the problem.

5th again this guide should help ,
http://www.pallab.net/2006/04/12/extending-opera-the-ultimate-guide-to-customizing-opera/

6th right click speed dial & edit , easy.

7th right click & close all tabs , can't even right click are you that lazy.

8th again you didn't do reserach , right click the speed search eninge ---> manage search engine --> edit a search engine (e.g. google) ---> deatails ---> use as speed dial defaul search engine , easy :D

9th again it should either be in the guide i posted or its not there but this is a minor issuse.

10th Pathik already told you, opera:cache

11th gmail opens faster then FF so your rig is the problem , i think your rig sucks

12th http://widgets.opera.com/widget/4282/ , widget

13th http://my.opera.com/Lex1/blog/flashblock-for-opera-9 , search bhai


so there you go , guys just keep complanning.


edit : rayraven was little faster , & gave few better answers then me , anyway i have answerd in my own away so heh.

[ThinkFree]

^^Solve my problem as well.

[smit]

state your problem , we might be able to slove it !

[Pathik]

:D .. So guys do we have a consensus that Opera simply R.O.C.K.S :D
Great going Ray and Smit.

[Quiz_Master]

Arrgh... @MetalheadGautham , I hope you allready got your answers..
Next time use something before commenting about it...
Opera gives out of the box features whereas FireFox don't...

Here is a list what FireFox lacks compared to Opera (Features Necessary 4 me.) :
1.) Ability to save pages in MHT. There used to be a MAF-MHT extension, But doens't work anymore.
2.) Professional Look. FireFox just looks too rough and unpolished.
3.) Opera has Widgets, FireFox has extensions.. Widgets looks much cooler. Now looks isnt all that matters but its a plus point anyway.
4.) By Deafualt FF dont save your settings online... Opera 9.50 does.
5.) Ability to add Any kinda search engine to Search ToolBar... FF lacks that.

These features are must have 4 me... So even If i want to I can't use FF full time..
I use FF for Stumbling and Blogging (ScribFire, TwitterFox) though...

[ray|raven]

Opera gives out of the box features whereas FireFox don't...

Yes , unlike firefox where you need to install extensions, cry when they are not available for the version u're using , curse when they eat enuf ram to make ur browser hang when you open more than 2 tabs. :p

[MetalheadGautham]

WTF. Dude, if you keep hoping that everything should work in an almost dead rig then Good luck.
As for your queries in Red, i will post some solutions wen i get my pc. 80% of what you said is already there.
1. Vb's fault
4. Wtf. Have you ever used opera?
10.opera:cache
6. Dude, do you have speed dial in your beloved FF.?
More later.
Its your attititude that sucks, not my rig. I don't care if my rig was bought in 2005. Its as alive as it was in 2005. It runs Windows XP super fast, with FF2. It can play UT2004 at low settings comfortably. Then why can't it handle Opera ?

In case you remember the old words, its the software which needs to be upgraded more often than the Hardware. Take a look at gaming consoles. PS2 has lived longer than my rig, and games are still developed for it. But in PCs, everyone has this idea that performance optimisation of software is useless compared to ugrading hardware. When a software can be improved, it NEEDS to be. Instead of saying get a better rig, these guys need to better their code.

1. Still doesn't giive me reason to use opera does it ?

4. What else do you think I am doing right now ? <opera is the ONLY browser I can use>

10. K

6. Beloved FF ? I am not one of you fanboyish guys to have a "beloved" software. When it doesn't work, fix it, and if you can't fix it, ditch it. Thats my moto. Windows XP was my beloved first, then Ubuntu then Debian Lenny then Sidux. Now I am again considering ditching. Same goes to browsers. I went from IE to FF to Epiphany to Konqueror to Opera, now again I am considering ditching.in considering ditching. Same goes to browsers. I went from IE to FF to Epiphany to Konqueror to Opera, now again I am considering ditching.

1. I see the WYSIWYG editor clearly in the digit forums. Perhaps you should check again.

2. The ability is clearly there, just click-n-hold a bookmark on the personal bar and drag it around to position it.

3. Did you try right-clicking an empty space on a toolbar and clicking Customize in the menu that pops-up?

4. Pause is denoted by Stop in Opera. Clicking Stop gives you an option to resume the download later, if the download is supported.

5. http://operawiki.info/AdvancedToolbarINIGuide

6. You can change the title in the speeddial.ini file in your opera profile folder.Did you know you can also go beyond 9 speed dials?

7. Goto Tools>Preferences>Advanced>Tabs>Advanced Tab Options , and check allow window with no tabs. Then you'll have a close button even if a single tab is present.

8. Goto Tools>Preferences>Search , select any search engine you want , edit it and in the edit window , click more details and select use as speed dial search engine.

9. I honestly know no way of doing this , nor any reason for it either.

10. Goto opera:cache

11. I have no idea what you mean by "normal time"

12. Ask Google.

13. http://my.opera.com/Lex1/blog/show.dml/1032648

Only reason i went through answering all those questions which could've been answered by a simple google search is just to tell you , that it possible in opera , and next time you think something isnt, try Google first or maybe http://operawiki.info/

ok lets start with the problems , i can't slove the first problem since its VB'S falut so ask VB.


2nd & 3rd problem , this guides should solve it ,
Link:-
http://www.pallab.net/2006/04/12/extending-opera-the-ultimate-guide-to-customizing-opera/

link 2:- http://ask.metafilter.com/39633/Bookmarks-toolbar-in-Opera-9


4th you need to use opera first , its already there so your rig is the problem.

5th again this guide should help ,
http://www.pallab.net/2006/04/12/extending-opera-the-ultimate-guide-to-customizing-opera/

6th right click speed dial & edit , easy.

7th right click & close all tabs , can't even right click are you that lazy.

8th again you didn't do reserach , right click the speed search eninge ---> manage search engine --> edit a search engine (e.g. google) ---> deatails ---> use as speed dial defaul search engine , easy :D

9th again it should either be in the guide i posted or its not there but this is a minor issuse.

10th Pathik already told you, opera:cache

11th gmail opens faster then FF so your rig is the problem , i think your rig sucks

12th http://widgets.opera.com/widget/4282/ , widget

13th http://my.opera.com/Lex1/blog/flashblock-for-opera-9 , search bhai


so there you go , guys just keep complanning.


edit : rayraven was little faster , & gave few better answers then me , anyway i have answerd in my own away so heh.

01. Still not there.

02. Didn't work the first time I tried the same.

03. I can't mix widgets of different toolbars into one single bar.

04. No accelerator. I use it and I get TERRIBLE speeds.

05. Still no solution. :(

06. That changes URL not name. And I need to do it since I don't want to use the default titles for some pages. :|

07. Thanks Ray. @smit: I call that ease of use. :p

08. @smit: Still can't do. @ray: works. thanks again.

09. not in guide; its not a minor issue; I need wikipeida below google; I again call it ease of use

10. Can I use it to see ALL items, not just memory items ?:confused:

11. my rig ? Its decent enough for my use thankyou. I hate this attitude of yours. If it doesn't work, the rig is broke. WTF ? FF3, the memory hogging FF3 opens GMail quickly and Opera 9.5 doesn't. Happy ? And I use KDE, so Opera is <natively> supported while Firefox is not. The odds are in Opera's favour to work.

12. It still doesn't exist. I know its not Opera's problem, but I can't use opera well BECAUSE it doesn't exist. I am fussy when it comes to features.

13. Thanks guys.

Only reason i went through answering all those questions which could've been answered by a simple google search is just to tell you , that it possible in opera , and next time you think something isnt, try Google first or maybe http://operawiki.info/
What ever the reason may be, thanks anyway, for trying to fix opera up. You don't know HOW greatful I am for this because opera is the one and only browser I can use other than the over simplistic konqueror. Nothing else work.

Since you managed to answer this many questions, do you mind if I ask more ?

1. I know this is IMPOSSIBLE in firefox, but still, how do I add two search boxes instead of just one ? I want one box for wikipedia and one for google.

2. Where can I get a page listing all opera widgets ?

3. I still can't rearrange toolbars, and mix their items. Any way without hacking into configuration files ?

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[smit]

actually there is program that reduces FF's memory usage , here is the link
http://firefox-ultimate-optimizer.en.softonic.com/

But that's why i hate FF , you need to download extentions , programs what not, opera everything in built ,except few stuff you can find most of evertyhing opera , that's why i love i am using it for 2 years now , i never felt i should be using any other browser :D

[MetalheadGautham]

Arrgh... @MetalheadGautham , I hope you allready got your answers..
Next time use something before commenting about it...
Opera gives out of the box features whereas FireFox don't...

Here is a list what FireFox lacks compared to Opera (Features Necessary 4 me.) :
1.) Ability to save pages in MHT. There used to be a MAF-MHT extension, But doens't work anymore.
2.) Professional Look. FireFox just looks too rough and unpolished.
3.) Opera has Widgets, FireFox has extensions.. Widgets looks much cooler. Now looks isnt all that matters but its a plus point anyway.
4.) By Deafualt FF dont save your settings online... Opera 9.50 does.
5.) Ability to add Any kinda search engine to Search ToolBar... FF lacks that.

These features are must have 4 me... So even If i want to I can't use FF full time..
I use FF for Stumbling and Blogging (ScribFire, TwitterFox) though...
I too live under a similar situation, but for me things are different. Firefox looks great if you use noia2.0eXtreme theme.

Anyway, that still doesn't convince me that Opera is good. Nor does it make Firefox any better. BOTH SUCK.

actually there is program that reduces FF's memory usage , here is the link
http://firefox-ultimate-optimizer.en.softonic.com/

But that's why i hate FF , you need to download extentions , programs what not, opera everything in built ,except few stuff you can find most of evertyhing opera , that's why i love i am using it for 2 years now , i never felt i should be using any other browser :D
Extentions ? The advantage here is that I can get EXACTLY what I want, and everything is neatly organised for me to take. And every page works beautifully in firefox. Besides, unlike most windows users, I don't need to go through any trouble for finding extentions. I know what I want, and a single command is all I need to get it.

and yes, that firefox optimiser is sh!t. Doesn't work on Sidux.

One more problem:

I have a media player with nothing open in it minimised in the background. I clicked that firefox optimiser link smit gave me. Used scroll button to scroll down. Comp hangs. WTF ?

[vilas_patil]

Firefox :)

[Gigacore]

Opera Rocks in terms of speed.

Firefox rocks in terms of stability.

Opera does something more than FF, sometimes FF does more than Opera.

Opera renders CSS same as FF does, but sometimes FF does not render properly.

FF has great support for AJAX so rich formatting works awesome. Opera do have good support for AJAX, but not as much as FF, so it lacks in rich formatting.

If u have ever opened ur gmail account with Opera 9.25 and FF 2.0.0.14, u would've felt the diff between how these two browsers will cope with AJAX.

I hate IE, its a major threat to web designers. Sometimes it appears fine IE, but not on other browsers, sometimes it appears fine in all browsers but in IE. Sucks.

Opera do have content blocking. And it is inbuilt. So no need of AdBlock or R.i.P.

You can customize the search order as u wish in opeara.

Opera doesn't need anything such as bookmark toolbar, coz it has got Speed Dial, does FF have it ? Nope

There is no hardcore rule that we need to use Google Toolbar with all the browsers. Its just another add-on.

Verdict: I like both FF and Opera. There is no perfect browser in the world.

[smit]

01. Still not there.

02. Didn't work the first time I tried the same.

03. I can't mix widgets of different toolbars into one single bar.

04. No accelerator. I use it and I get TERRIBLE speeds.

05. Still no solution. :(

06. That changes URL not name. And I need to do it since I don't want to use the default titles for some pages. :|

07. Thanks Ray. @smit: I call that ease of use. :p

08. @smit: Still can't do. @ray: works. thanks again.

09. not in guide; its not a minor issue; I need wikipeida below google; I again call it ease of use

10. Can I use it to see ALL items, not just memory items ?:confused:

11. my rig ? Its decent enough for my use thankyou. I hate this attitude of yours. If it doesn't work, the rig is broke. WTF ? FF3, the memory hogging FF3 opens GMail quickly and Opera 9.5 doesn't. Happy ? And I use KDE, so Opera is <natively> supported while Firefox is not. The odds are in Opera's favour to work.

12. It still doesn't exist. I know its not Opera's problem, but I can't use opera well BECAUSE it doesn't exist. I am fussy when it comes to features.

13. Thanks guys.


What ever the reason may be, thanks anyway, for trying to fix opera up. You don't know HOW greatful I am for this because opera is the one and only browser I can use other than the over simplistic konqueror. Nothing else work.

Since you managed to answer this many questions, do you mind if I ask more ?

1. I know this is IMPOSSIBLE in firefox, but still, how do I add two search boxes instead of just one ? I want one box for wikipedia and one for google.

2. Where can I get a page listing all opera widgets ?

3. I still can't rearrange toolbars, and mix their items. Any way without hacking into configuration files ?

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Ok ,let me answer few of these

1st one as i said VB's fault not opera

4th you can use so many free download managers & intergrate them to opera.

6th look at ray's answer.

10th yes

11th Opera is lighting fast in gmail, i don't why you encounter this problem.

12th look at the link i gave you , i bet you missed it..



AGAIN i say this guide has everything , you need to read it , most of your problems will be sloved.

http://www.pallab.net/2006/04/12/extending-opera-the-ultimate-guide-to-customizing-opera/



ok as for widgets, http://widgets.opera.com/

[ray|raven]

01. Still not there.

02. Didn't work the first time I tried the same.

03. I can't mix widgets of different toolbars into one single bar.

04. No accelerator. I use it and I get TERRIBLE speeds.

05. Still no solution. :(

06. That changes URL not name. And I need to do it since I don't want to use the default titles for some pages. :|

09. not in guide; its not a minor issue; I need wikipeida below google; I again call it ease of use

10. Can I use it to see ALL items, not just memory items ?:confused:

11. my rig ? Its decent enough for my use thankyou. I hate this attitude of yours. If it doesn't work, the rig is broke. WTF ? FF3, the memory hogging FF3 opens GMail quickly and Opera 9.5 doesn't. Happy ? And I use KDE, so Opera is <natively> supported while Firefox is not. The odds are in Opera's favour to work.

12. It still doesn't exist. I know its not Opera's problem, but I can't use opera well BECAUSE it doesn't exist. I am fussy when it comes to features.



1. Its still there here.

2. It works perfectly , you sure you did it right?

3. You can , just right click customize , then drag-n-drop em . Anywhere.

4. No browser's download manager is good, get yourself a real download manager application do that purpose.

5. If you want to change sizes, you gotta edit ini files.

6. You can change both url and title in the speeddial.ini file. Just gotta look clearly.

10. It shows all items. Not just memory ones. Title is misleading.

11. GMail opens fine for me. Still ,even if it is slow , it's clearly coz of Google's coding and not Opera.
Try this and tell me if the speed is faster : http://mail.google.com/gmail?nocheckbrowser



Since you managed to answer this many questions, do you mind if I ask more ?

1. I know this is IMPOSSIBLE in firefox, but still, how do I add two search boxes instead of just one ? I want one box for wikipedia and one for google.

2. Where can I get a page listing all opera widgets ?

3. I still can't rearrange toolbars, and mix their items. Any way without hacking into configuration files ?



1. In Opera , right click on the addres bar , customize , Goto Buttons>Search , drag-n-drop whatever search engines you want.

2. widgets.opera.com

3. You can mix items , not rearrange toolbars without resorting to ini file editing. Just drag-n-drop stuff on different toolbars.


What ever the reason may be, thanks anyway, for trying to fix opera up. You don't know HOW greatful I am for this because opera is the one and only browser I can use other than the over simplistic konqueror. Nothing else work.

No problem , Just continue that attitude.

[s18000rpm]

as far as I am concerned, for all practical perposes, both mean the same to me :p

And why didn't you answer my other questions ?


08. Where is ability to select another search engine from speed dial search ?

11. Where is the ablity to open GMail in "normal" time ?




I should mention that all these are there in Firefox. And as for opera, its designed using the QT4 toolkit, which is much much more advanced and easier to program with than the GTK2+ which firefox uses. So it should have had MORE, not LESS.

8- why search from there, in the addrs. bar , just type the "keyword" of particular search site (e.g google = "g", yahoo = "y", youtube = "u" [mine] & the search query.

e.g., "u race driver grid" leads to http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=race+driver+grid&search_type= on my opera.

the default search engine is google, so if you type race driver grid, opera takes you to http://www.google.com/search?q=race+driver+grid&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

see simple:D

(dunno whether that "create search" is there in FF.

11. for me it does take some time, but thats gmail's fault. but once loaded, its faster.

[rahimveron]

I have used only Opera ALL my life (computer life,silly) and never had any problems apart from some compatability with Flash sice i moved to GNU/Linux(Solved it by downgrading Flash). I have never used Firefox :P
No problem logging to GMail,Yahoo(new version).
The only gripe is How can i stop Opera from downloading more than 1 file at a time?
No queue option in Download Manager?

[MetalheadGautham]

Opera doesn't need anything such as bookmark toolbar, coz it has got Speed Dial, does FF have it ? Nope
I think Bookmarks Toolbar is MUCH MUCH better than speed dial. I just need to middle click an item to open it in a new tab. Speed Dial makes me have to open a new tab to open a new link. Actually, I found no good use for speed dial till now.
Ok ,let me answer few of these

1st one as i said VB's fault not opera

4th you can use so many free download managers & intergrate them to opera.

6th look at ray's answer.

10th yes

11th Opera is lighting fast in gmail, i don't why you encounter this problem.

12th look at the link i gave you , i bet you missed it..

AGAIN i say this guide has everything , you need to read it , most of your problems will be sloved.

http://www.pallab.net/2006/04/12/extending-opera-the-ultimate-guide-to-customizing-opera/

ok as for widgets, http://widgets.opera.com/
1. I know its vB's fault, but does that mean I can continue to use opera as easily as I used firefox ? No it doesn't. Firefox is the ONLY browser, even taking into account all those gnome gecko based firefox alternatives out there plus konqueror, dillo and opera, which supports wysiwyg in vB.

4. I meant something like DTA(firefox's addon DownThemAll). Its fast launching and fast downloading.

12. Still can't find google toolbar there. Where is the link ?
1. Its still there here.

2. It works perfectly , you sure you did it right?

3. You can , just right click customize , then drag-n-drop em . Anywhere.

4. No browser's download manager is good, get yourself a real download manager application do that purpose.

5. If you want to change sizes, you gotta edit ini files.

6. You can change both url and title in the speeddial.ini file. Just gotta look clearly.

10. It shows all items. Not just memory ones. Title is misleading.

11. GMail opens fine for me. Still ,even if it is slow , it's clearly coz of Google's coding and not Opera.
Try this and tell me if the speed is faster : http://mail.google.com/gmail?nocheckbrowser
1. Is it there in default opera installation ?

2. I think I didn't press and hold long enough.

3. I want the address box in the top menu bar.:(

4. Something like DownThemAll is what I need.;)

5. Damn. Location ? Are they in ~/.opera/ ?

6. OK

10. Damn

11. Still no improvement.:(

1. In Opera , right click on the addres bar , customize , Goto Buttons>Search , drag-n-drop whatever search engines you want.

2. widgets.opera.com

3. You can mix items , not rearrange toolbars without resorting to ini file editing. Just drag-n-drop stuff on different toolbars.
1. Thanks. That removed the need for google toolbar :lol:

2. Cool.:D

3. Damn.:mad:
No problem , Just continue that attitude.
That I always do :cool:

[ray|raven]

1. Is it there in default opera installation ?

2. I think I didn't press and hold long enough.

3. I want the address box in the top menu bar.:(

4. Something like DownThemAll is what I need.;)

5. Damn. Location ? Are they in ~/.opera/ ?

11. Still no improvement.:(



1. Yep. Only thing different is one of amitava's css files to alter digit's appearance. But i doubt its anythin to do with the wysiwyg editor.

2. Not Opera's problem then :p

3. Drag-n-Drop it in the top bar and remove from the below one. Simple. :)

4. There's nothing like that afaik , but here's what i do , set my download manager to monitor the clipboard and then copy the link address from opera instead of clicking it. Download manager picks off from there.

5. Yes , ~/.opera/ in Linux.

11. Donno what your issue is , GMail opens with the new ui when i use that link ,along with the new progress bar while loading.

I dont see the need for sizing the toolbar , opera resizes em depending on the contents dynamically.

[smit]

here is the link you missed ....

http://widgets.opera.com/widget/4282/

[MetalheadGautham]

1. Yep. Only thing different is one of amitava's css files to alter digit's appearance. But i doubt its anythin to do with the wysiwyg editor.

2. Not Opera's problem then :p

3. Drag-n-Drop it in the top bar and remove from the below one. Simple. :)

4. There's nothing like that afaik , but here's what i do , set my download manager to monitor the clipboard and then copy the link address from opera instead of clicking it. Download manager picks off from there.

5. Yes , ~/.opera/ in Linux.

11. Donno what your issue is , GMail opens with the new ui when i use that link ,along with the new progress bar while loading.

I dont see the need for sizing the toolbar , opera resizes em depending on the contents dynamically.
1. :mad:

2. :p

3. Nope. Not in the main menu bar ( the one with file, edit, view, etc )

4. Launch times. My system is not fast enough for something like that to happen at blazing speeds. And btw, KGet sucks. No download acceleration.

5. 8)

11. BSNL H500

[ray|raven]

3. Nope. Not in the main menu bar ( the one with file, edit, view, etc )

4. Launch times. My system is not fast enough for something like that to happen at blazing speeds. And btw, KGet sucks. No download acceleration.

11. BSNL H500

3. You cant have anything on the menu bar in Opera, and not even ff, although u can have a custom button that toggles the menu bar and displays it like a menu.

Click this to add the button (opera:/button/Enable%20menu%20bar,,,,Menu%20|%20Disable%20menu%2 0bar,,,,Menu%20+%20Show%20popup%20menu,%20%22Brows er%20Menu%20Bar%22)

Then drag-n-drop it onto a toolbar you want.
I think custom buttons can be added to personal bar and status bar only though. Thats a limitation.

Find more custom buttons here : http://operawiki.info/CustomButtons

4. If download manager is running in the background then no such issue.

[T159]

ehh...
Firefox is my customized camaro
Opera is Ferrari

But i love FF for the flexibility and what you want is what you get

[hullap]

Flock just seemed to be a FF ripoff. Just that it had better blogging support.

flock is not a ripoff,
more is much more then just blogging,
its more towards SN
look at its wikipedia article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flock_(web_browser)

[smit]

MetalheadGautham @

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9351/41307529gv9.jpg

is this the Editor you are talking about ? , work perfectly on my opera, as seen in the pic.

[Gigacore]

^ nope, this is wat he is talkin about:

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6285/fftd3.th.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fftd3.jpg)

[abhisek_bsws]

I've just tested firefox 3 ...it has improved a lot and a lot faster also:)....but execpt google toolbar none of my previous extensions are working in it:mad:...on the other hand the page rendering n speed of opera 9.5 is much better.....in the acid 3 test score of the 2 browsers >>>>> FIREFOX -> 71 , OPERA -> 83 ....I have been using opera for 3years n I think it is the best browser out there :D :cool:

[MetalheadGautham]

I am not able to log in to my blogger account via opera. I think it has something to do with its support for frames. But I am not sure. Can someone tell me if they experience the same ?

[thelordrrulzzz]

FIREFOX any time is my pick when it comes to browsers.

[MetalheadGautham]

Firefox Tango! theme sucks. I wish they had a better default theme for GTK+.:(

[s18000rpm]

I am not able to log in to my blogger account via opera. I think it has something to do with its support for frames. But I am not sure. Can someone tell me if they experience the same ?

works for me (os-vista).

[bhushan05d251]

^ me too...

[MetalheadGautham]

I go to blogger.com

Enter username and passowrd

Then a new page shows up with a google accounts box where I am asked to sign in with my google account.

I sign in, and again the same page shows up.

OPERA SUCKS AT REDIRECTING

[s18000rpm]

I go to blogger.com

Enter username and passowrd

Then a new page shows up with a google accounts box where I am asked to sign in with my google account.

I sign in, and again the same page shows up.

OPERA SUCKS AT REDIRECTING

try this & see
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/42/oprvl6.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oprvl6.jpg)

[MetalheadGautham]

^^already there

[rahimveron]

^^Try clearing the cache and try(it works in Opera for me when this happens)

[ThinkFree]

The same is the case for me like MetalHeadGautham.

[Pathik]

About tyhe speed dial problem, Try Ctrl+Shift+Click to open any link in a new tab. Super efficient.

[ray|raven]

^Or just middle click :p

[sakumar79]

Also, Ctrl+number opens the speed dial entry of corresponding number in the active tab (not in new tab though)...

One more thing I found interesting in Opera... Dont know if it is available in Firefox and IE... Today, suddenly my mouse stopped working, but I had opened Thinkdigit forum for browsing... While the tab wasnt stopping over links, I could open a list of links through Ctrl+Alt+L and open the links from a list (Pressing Ctrl+Enter over the link would open it in background...)

Arun

[ray|raven]

^ Its Ctrl+Shift+L not Ctrl+Alt+L

Couple of tips:

1.Thumbnails in Ctrl+Tab switcher :

Enable opera:config#UserPrefs|UseThumbnailsinWindowCycle

Now the Ctrl+tab switcher will have thumbnails of the tab along with name.
Good for keyboard freaks like me :D

2. Inline search.

You can use '/' anywhere in the page , to popup a search bubble.
Also , to get the firefox style search bar ,
Right-Click on the status bar > Customize > Buttons > Search

Add 'Find In Page' to the status bar.
Enable opera:config#UserPrefs|UseIntegratedSearch

Next time you press Ctrl+F , the search bar you added is given focus automatically instead of popping up an old school style search window.
And pressing 'enter' will take you to the next result.

P.S : Maybe we should have an Opera tips thread? :p

[sakumar79]

^^^ Its Ctrl+Alt+L in Opera 9.5 on Windows for Links list...

Arun

[krazzy]

^ People like you who don't how to use Opera think FF is the best , LOL don't say FF & Safari are better just because you don't how to use some good features of Opera, Opera is the best & the fastest browser right now & it has everything in built unlike FF which needs extentions & addons , so krazzy i suggest you to learn how to use Opera instead of making such statements.

And I suggest you keep your suggestions to yourself. I don't care what you think. I have my opinions and favourites just like you do. Just because a browser loads up pages in the least amount of time doesn't mean it's the best. The way the pages end up looking when the loading is done is what is important. And I think everyone knows how Opera does not load many pages properly. If all the other browsers open the same page properly and Opera does not, then for me, its Opera's fault. I would not like my pages looking like ****. I'd rather wait a couple of seconds more in Firefox or Safari and get a properly displayed page. And a browser is about how it renders web pages, not how many features it has. Get that fact straight. And its the former where Opera sucks. Even if tomorrow Opera adds the option to make coffee and dry clean your clothes but still does not load pages properly, I'll still be using either Safari or FF3.

So yeah. As I said, Safari and FF3 are THE BEST BROWSERS IN THE WORLD. And that's my opinion. And I don't care about anyone else's. If you like Opera, go use it. Don't tell me to learn things.

[smit]

The wonders of Opera 9.5!!! :D:D

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/5577/capture12062008083457ca9.jpg


Oh ! look i am so smart using Opera that i couldn't figure this out, WOW. Somtimes you need to admit that you don't know something being like " I am so smart don't tell me anything" will just make you an idiot. really opera renders most of everysite out there & you don't know how to use features of opera.


Really you need to learn , there is no way to escape this cycle, if i am in something new say linux i am next to nothing against say MetalheadGautham , he may know lot about linux that i don't & if tells me something , i would listen to him. that's the same with you , you are a newbie with Opera & you don't know about it , i told you nicely that you should learn about it , don't go jumping out " HOW DARE YOU TELL ME ANYTHING !!!!" that will only show how intellingent you are.

[iMav]

Just to spice things up, why would a normal user want to download some sh!tty browser that finds the only way to promote itself and get some publicity by suing another company which is going to release a final version that will put to rest the most commonly alleged accusation?

Why would someone want to download some sh!tty browser when there is a browser that does what it should very efficiently?

Why would I want to download some sh!tty browser when I my Vista already has 1 that does everything?

Why would I want to download a sh!tty browser when most web developers specifically code websites for IE?

Why?

The only special browser out there, is the one that most web developers spend time on developing their sites for. It's IE.

IE 8 FTW!!!

BTW I guess after Krazzy's screen shot, the sh!tty browser just lost one user in Aayush :lol:

[smit]

Actually it's his fault IMAV , you see he has been using " Fit the Width" option , Opera works fine , i can post images of it you want proof ...

edit : you actually jumped into whole situation i am telling Krazzy that he doesn't know how to use opera as he says it sucks (in directly).

Proof :
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1157/21yj0.jpg

[krazzy]

Oh ! look i am so smart using Opera that i couldn't figure this out, WOW. Somtimes you need to admit that you don't know something being like " I am so smart don't tell me anything" will just make you an idiot. really opera renders most of everysite out there & you don't know how to use features of opera.


Really you need to learn , there is no way to escape this cycle, if i am in something new say linux i am next to nothing against say MetalheadGautham , he may know lot about linux that i don't & if tells me something , i would listen to him. that's the same with you , you are a newbie with Opera & you don't know about it , i told you nicely that you should learn about it , don't go jumping out " HOW DARE YOU TELL ME ANYTHING !!!!" that will only show how intellingent you are.

This is what I was talking about. You'd expect the 'Fit to Width' option to actually fit the content to the display width, wouldn't you? I mean a noob like me would, it's logical after all. But Nooo! Selecting fit to width actually compresses the web page from the sides so that IT DOES NOT FIT TO WIDTH ANY MORE! :lol: I mean why put a shitty Fit to width function if it does not actually fit the page to width? This is Opera for you. Many features. Poor implementation. Go figure!

[smit]

Lol , its the site fault , that is Newbie for you ( even after the words you used, i am talking to you nicely) , there are many site i know that works with Fit to Wideth option so its the site fault :D , also read my entire post as you have habit of skipping some parts of my post.

[krazzy]

BTW I guess after Krazzy's screen shot, the sh!tty browser just lost one user in Aayush :lol:

I think he stopped using Opera ages ago. He too is a full time Safari user.

[smit]

Safari is very good on mac ( as i heard) but on windows even mac will say it is behind FF & Opera though they still say its better then IE.

[krazzy]

Lol , its the site fault , that is Newbie for you ( even after the words you used, i am talking to you nicely) , there are many site i know that works with Fit to Wideth option so its the site fault :D , also read my entire post as you have habit of skipping some parts of my post.

So now its the site's fault. :rolleyes: It's always someone else's fault for Opera users. It's never Opera's fault. You guys keep on using that browser even though many websites don't support it. Why stick with something that does not do its job well. Won't it be easier to switch over to Firefox or Safari so that you can have a hassle free web browsing experience and stop blaming everyone else.

As for talking nicely, its you who started it. I had just stated my opinion on what I think were the two best browsers. Also I had come to that conclusion after using all the four browsers for a considerable amount of time. Also despite Safari being my favourite, I've used it the least among the four (most being Opera). But you jumped in on me and said I don't know how to use Opera and all. As if Opera is some highly complex piece of machinary and it takes some rocket science to operate it that I don't know of. Just because you think Opera is the best, you probably thought I should do the same too. As if I don't have any personal choices. And you tell me you are talking nicely to me. Yeah right. It's me who is talking nicely to you.

[smit]

Right , it's the site fault for that feature only , you say sites are not rendering properly , see the diffrence.

Can you run windows update in Firefox without any addons ? nope the site has made for IE itself, also about talking nicely you said FF & safari are the best browser in the world.

Safari and Firefox 3 are the best browsers ever!

I don't see "IMO" in there which leads you are some kinda of genius who knows evertyhing also Opera takes skill to use & remember great things in the world needs skill to use , if you come on Yahoo IM i can explain to you how to use opera from the beging i am ready to help but Are you ready to learn ?

[Krazzy Warrior]

Firefox nothing else :))

[krazzy]

I don't see "IMO" in there which leads you are some kinda of genius who knows evertyhing also Opera takes skill to use & remember great things in the world needs skill to use , if you come on Yahoo IM i can explain to you how to use opera from the beging i am ready to help but Are you ready to learn ?

I believe IMO stands for In My Opinion. So it should be pretty apparent to every one that whatever that I write in my posts is indeed MY OPINION! I mean its only logical, since I myself have written them. Why would I write someone else's opinions in my posts?!

As for learning more about Opera, no thank you. As I already said there are some basic problems in using Opera that cannot be rectified by the user. Even if I learn from you, Oh great Master of Opera, and master the software myself, there is no way I can solve the page rendering problem, which is essentially because of web sites not supporting it. And since that is my only grouse with the software, there is no way I'll be wanting to waste time trying to master it.

[goobimama]

Safari's Private Browsing feature. Beat that. :D

[chesss]

^ ok
Opera's email client - pop3/imap support .
beaten :D

[praka123]

If opera sue's monopoly M$' (http://microsuck.com)s Internet Exploder ,then it is a sin and it sucks!you Hypocrat! :rolleyes: when M$ sues Linux (http://getgnulinux.org) for "virtual" so called sioftware patents (http://endsoftpatents.org) ,it is M$ 's right and M$haft is right and they "only" know how to do business?big hypocrisy (http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/14/0018242)!

Opera is a good browser.but something tells to stay away from it!dont know what it is ;) may be open sourcing Opera will help them!

[krazzy]

^ ok
Opera's email client - pop3/imap support .
beaten :D

It's a good thing that Opera has a built-in mail client. But to be honest it is totally irrelevant to the actual web browsing. Whereas the private browsing feature that Goobi gave is useful for browsing, especially when more than one person uses the browser. Private mode lets you browse the web without the pages getting stored in the history and the entered URL's are also not saved. So no one knows where you've been and what you've done.

[gxsaurav]

I will switch to Opera the day AI-Roboform is compatible with Opera

[MetalheadGautham]

Just to spice things up, why would a normal user want to download some sh!tty browser that finds the only way to promote itself and get some publicity by suing another company which is going to release a final version that will put to rest the most commonly alleged accusation?

Why would someone want to download some sh!tty browser when there is a browser that does what it should very efficiently?

Why would I want to download some sh!tty browser when I my Vista already has 1 that does everything?

Why would I want to download a sh!tty browser when most web developers specifically code websites for IE?

Why?

The only special browser out there, is the one that most web developers spend time on developing their sites for. It's IE.

IE 8 FTW!!!

BTW I guess after Krazzy's screen shot, the sh!tty browser just lost one user in Aayush :lol:
Yaaaay! Time to turn this to a REAL fight:D

I know you wanted to call me, and here I have come. Hope you are ready for this.;)

The best browser out there is one which supports each and every one of those international web browser standards. Its the one which has an infinite number of extentions to choose from, making it act like the Emacs of web browsers - it can do anything and everything. It can chat in IRC. It can crawl and fetch entire websites. It has a download accelerator built in which takes up hardly any resources. It can run any website whose developer knows how to follow standards. Its the most themed browser, and pwns IE, Safari, Konqueror, GTK-WebKit-Gecko browsers(epiphany and family), etc completely in looks. Its the browser which the King of Internet marketing, Google, officially recommends and supports. Its the browser which works on almost any platform thats worth something.

Mozilla Firefox 3.0 FTW

[gxsaurav]

The best browser out there is one which supports each and every one of those international web browser standards.

Opera does.

Its the one which has an infinite number of extentions to choose from

Firefox Wins

It has a download accelerator built in which takes up hardly any resources.

Opera has it.
It can run any website whose developer knows how to follow standards.

Opera does.

Its the most themed browser, and pwns IE, Safari, Konqueror, GTK-WebKit-Gecko browsers(epiphany and family), etc completely in looks.

Opera has skins supports too.

Its the browser which works on almost any platform thats worth something.

Last I checked, Opera works on more platforms then Firefox. It runs on Windows, Mac OS, Linux, Symbian, Windows Mobile, Sony Ericsson Axxx platform, Wii.

The only thing due to which Opera lacks is Extensions support. IE has it in the form of Add ons plugins with .net frame work. The day Opera starts extensions support Firefox will be out of market.

[T159]

The day Opera starts extensions support Firefox will be out of market.
only firefox will have to bear the consequences :rolleyes:
why don't people at opera do this, is someone paying them to hold on or there is some code break to occur when doing this :D:rolleyes::!:

anything thats community driven survives even after developers stop supporting it:cool:

[MetalheadGautham]

Opera does.



Firefox Wins



Opera has it.


Opera does.


Opera has skins supports too.


Last I checked, Opera works on more platforms then Firefox. It runs on Windows, Mac OS, Linux, Symbian, Windows Mobile, Sony Ericsson Axxx platform, Wii.

The only thing due to which Opera lacks is Extensions support. IE has it in the form of Add ons plugins with .net frame work. The day Opera starts extensions support Firefox will be out of market.
Ofcourse Opera is a good one. Thats why I never mentioned it as a browser beaten by FF. Rather, it compliments FF very well.

Opera does NOT have a download accelerator. Its mearly a manager.

Infact, Opera vs Firefox is an age old issue, and they never actually beat each other in any way ecept for the fact that opera has a better tab implementation while firefox has a better extention implementation.

As for platform support, I was talking about non embedded stuff. Opera is awssome in embedded though. Nintendo DS, PSP, Mobile Phones, etc etc.

[gxsaurav]

Still, Opera runs on Windows, Mac OS X & Linux equally. So there is nothing else other then extensions support in which Firefox beats Opera.

[iMav]

If opera sue's monopoly M$'s Internet Exploder ,then it is a sin and it sucks!you Hypocrat! :rolleyes: when M$ sues Linux for "virtual" so called sioftware patents ,it is M$ 's right and M$haft is right and they "only" know how to do business?big hypocrisy!

Opera is a good browser.but something tells to stay away from it!dont know what it is ;) may be open sourcing Opera will help them!

I have had a very tiring day. What a better way to lighten the mood than read a comment by an ignorant fool who doesn't know the difference between a monopoly case & patent infringement :rolleyes: who else could that be but some one who knows nothing about business, off course his friends too are no better in business than him (http://www.beingmanan.com/wp/2008/06/foss-supporters-are-hypocrites/)

Come back when you understand the difference between patent infringement & monopoly. Then we shall talk why Opera decided to sue MS and why firefox did not.

[praka123]

as if software patent exists? :x definitely not!
http://endsoftpatents.org
http://badvista.fsf.org

http://www.google.co.in/search?q=bill+gates+is+a+moron&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a

.FOSS supporters are NOT!the one who hosts his blog on Linux host and irritate everyone with his anti-foss thing is a "holy elephant?" .
what about FUD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt)?


yeah.sure I am gonna use bill gates pick under my chappel may be along with you too. deserves it.

[narangz]

as if software patent exists? :x definitely not!
http://endsoftpatents.org
http://badvista.fsf.org

http://www.google.co.in/search?q=bill+gates+is+a+moron&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a

.FOSS supporters are NOT!the one who hosts his blog on Linux host and irritate everyone with his anti-foss thing is a "holy elephant?" .
what about FUD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt)?


yeah.sure I am gonna use bill gates pick under my chappel may be along with you too. deserves it.


Well, is that how business is done? If you think yes, then that's the reason why Windows is the leader.

[praka123]

may be.it is a ugly world ,where cancer(micro$oft) is worshipped by ignorant people.
I know it is so bad to have a sane mind in this world where M$haft and proprietary warlords rule :rolleyes:

[narangz]

If you want to promote FOSS then the business style you are talking about won't lead FOSS anywhere.

[iMav]

yeah.sure I am gonna use bill gates pick under my chappel may be along with you too. deserves it.Like I care :lol: who are you anyways, a nobody. Who cares what you do :lol:


FOSS supporters are NOT!the one who hosts his blog on Linux host and irritate everyone with his anti-foss thing is a "holy elephant?" We use what works, unlike some fagots, who because cannot play DRMed content on their sh!tty OS start bad mouthing DRM itself and spread FUD about it so much so publically say they support piracy :lol:

[praka123]

@narangz:I am not promoting FOSS here.let the ppl choose it..But I want to show my hatred towards Bill gates the moron who invented paid software cr@p.thats it. :) yeah ,and his bloody M$haft too.

so anyways ,let someone know the problem with DRM as already mentioned:
http://defectivebydesign.org

Contact the Campaign

Please send us your ideas for anti-DRM action, or contact us with any questions or media requests Contact Form (http://defectivebydesign.com/contact)
We Oppose DRM!

DefectiveByDesign.org is a broad-based anti-DRM campaign that is targeting Big Media, unhelpful manufacturers and DRM distributors. The campaign aims to make all manufacturers wary about bringing their DRM-enabled products to market. DRM products have features built-in that restrict what jobs they can do. These products have been intentionally crippled from the users' perspective, and are therefore "defective by design". This campaign will identify these “defective” products, and target them for elimination. We aim to make DRM an anti-social technology. We aim for the abolition of DRM as a social practice.
What is DRM?

Big Media describe DRM as Digital Rights Management. However, since its purpose is to restrict you the user, it is more accurate to describe DRM as Digital Restrictions Management. DRM Technology can restricts users’ access to movies, music, literature and software, indeed all forms of digital data. Unfree software implementing DRM technology is simply a prison in which users can be put to deprive them of the rights that the law would otherwise allow them.
From Richard Stallman, President of the FSF:
”The motive for DRM schemes is to increase profits for those who impose them, but their profit is a side issue when millions of people’s freedom is at stake; desire for profit, though not wrong in itself, cannot justify denying the public control over its technology. Defending freedom means thwarting DRM.”
Get the facts here. (http://www.defectivebydesign.org/what_is_drm)
We oppose Treacherous Computing!

Who should your computer take its orders from? Most people think their computers should obey them. With a plan they call "Trusted Computing", the Big Media corporations, together with computer companies such as Microsoft, Apple and Intel, have decided that your computer should obey them instead of you. Treacherous Computing is now inside most new computers and devices, and is the bedrock upon which DRM is being built.
You can help thwart DRM.



Take the pledge to fight DRM, join DefectiveByDesign.org (http://defectivebydesign.org/node/9)
Refuse to purchase hardware which includes Treacherous Computing or Digital Restrictions Management functionality.
Boycott CDs and DVD's with DRM, and download music and video from sites that don't force DRM upon you.
Let your public institutions of learning and research know that they should also boycott DRM. See Richard Stallman’s letter to the Boston Public Library as an example. (http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/bpl.html) Read the FAQs (http://defectivebydesign.org/faq)


Thank you! :)

[narangz]

I am not promoting FOSS here.let the ppl choose it..But I want to show my hatred towards Bill gates the moron who invented paid software cr@p.thats it. :) yeah ,and his bloody M$haft too.

LOL! That's what I mean. If you want people to use FOSS stop abusing Microsoft, Apple & other companies. Show them the reasons (productivity, entertainment etc.) why they should shift to FOSS. :)

[iMav]

Show them the reasons (productivity, entertainment etc.) why they should shift to FOSS. :)Ya that is if he can find something :lol:

Entertainment! :lol: Entertainment & Linux :lol: the damn thing can't play mp3s without a net connection :lol: what entertainment are you talking about? :lol:

[praka123]

again I repeat: I want to show how bad M$ is ! it gives me more satisfaction than giving effort to mindlocked M$haft moronic gays who dont want to learn :rolleyes:

What is DRM? Digital Restrictions Management

Big Media describe DRM as Digital Rights Management. However, since its purpose is to restrict you the user, it is more accurate to describe DRM as Digital Restrictions Management. DRM Technology can restricts users’ access to movies, music, literature and software, indeed all forms of digital data. Unfree software implementing DRM technology is simply a prison in which users can be put to deprive them of the rights that the law would otherwise allow them.
After months of campaigning during 2006, DefectiveByDesign.org declared Tuesday October 3rd 2006, an international "Day Against DRM". With more than 10,000 technologists having joined in the campaign and pledged to take direct action to stop DRM, and with more than 200 "actions" planned across the globe on October 3rd, we had achieved our goal of raising public awarness to the threats possed by DRM.
Now we must move from awareness of DRM to rejection of DRM. DRM technology is not vanquished. It is still a growing problem for all computer users, and by extension all of society. DRM is being used to restrict individuals' use of their own copies of published works. To enforce these restrictions, DRM software, and now hardware, must monitor and control a computer users' behavior. Frequently it reports on what it sees.
The Fight
You might be aware that iPod users are restricted from transferring their music to other non-Apple devices because the music downloaded from iTunes is encrypted - locked with DRM. It allows you to write an audio CD, but if you ever want to take your music to a new portable device in a compressed format, you will end up with very lousy sound quality. These drawbacks are of course there for a reason: customer lock-in. Apple inconveniences its customers into binding themselves to Apple products.
This type of nuisance is but the foreshadow of greater ones to come. Standing behind the technology companies, the film and music industry (Big Media) loom large. To increase their control, they demand technology companies impose DRM. The technology companies no longer resist. Of course many of the technology companies now see themselves as part of Big Media. Sony is a film and music company, Microsoft is an owner of MSNBC, and Steve Jobs, the CEO of Apple, sits on the board of Disney. These technology companies cannot be expected to serve the interests of the technology consumer.
Big Media hope that DRM will deliver to them what their political lobbying to change copyright law never has: they aim to turn our every interaction with a published work into a transaction, abolishing fair use and the commons, and making copyright effectively last forever. They will say that you accepted DRM and willingly surrendered your rights. That you did so under duress, they will call irrelevant.
Amazon's new movie download service is called Unbox and it outlines what DRM implies. The user agreement requires that you allow Unbox DRM software to monitor your hard drive and to report activity to Amazon. These reports would thus include a list of: all the software installed; all the music and video you have; all your computer's interaction with other devices. You will surrender your freedom to such an extent that you will only be able to regain control by removing the software. But if you do remove the software you will also remove all your movies along with it. You are restricted even geographically, and you lose your movies if you ever move out of the USA. You of course have to agree that they can change these terms at any time. Microsoft's newly upgraded Windows Media Player 11 (WMP11) user agreement has a similar set of terms.
Each time Big Media force you to upgrade your software, they downgrade your rights. Every new DRM system will enforce a harsher control regime. Apple's added more restrictions to their music service, and their new video service is yet more restrictive. And so it goes. But this is not just happening with music and video, DRM is being applied to knowledge and information. Libraries, schools, universities are adding DRM, sometimes under duress, often without understanding the consequences.
What does this mean for the future? No fair use. No purchase and resell. No private copies. No sharing. No backup. No swapping. No mix tapes. No privacy. No commons. No control over our computers. No control over our electronic devices. The conversion of our homes into apparatus to monitor our interaction with published works and web sites.
If this type of invasion of privacy were coming from any other source, it would not be tolerated. That it is the media and technology companies leading the way, does not make it benign.
Users of free software are not immune to DRM either. They can be locked out, and their computers won't play the movies or music under lock. Products can "tivoize" their code (remove their freedom through DRM), delivering it back with malicious features and blocking removal. The RIAA and the MPAA are actively lobbying Congress to pass new laws to mandate DRM and outlaw products and computers that don't enforce DRM. DRM has become a major threat to the freedom of computer users.
When we allow others to control our computers and monitor our actions we invite deeper surveillance. With our personal viewing, listening, reading, browsing records on file, are we not to be alarmed?
In September 2005 a Disney executive named Peter Lee told The Economist, "If consumers even know there's a DRM, what it is, and how it works, we've already failed,". A year later, on October 3rd we made that prediction come true. Now with your help, we can work to put an end to DRM. You are encouraged to Join the campaign at DefectiveByDesign.org and take action.
Peter Brown
Defective By Design
Free Software Foundation

http://www.defectivebydesign.org/what_is_drm

[iMav]

again I repeat: I want to show how bad M$ is ! it gives me more satisfaction than giving effort to mindlocked M$haft moronic gays who dont want to learn :rolleyes:

Please do continue, it is much better than having husband killed wife or boy friend killed girl breaking news, the reason: coz he wouldnt have sex as condoms arent open source and the female decided to use i-Pill who the male confused to be an Apple product :lol:

[narangz]

again I repeat: I want to show how bad M$ is ! it gives me more satisfaction than giving effort to mindlocked M$haft moronic gays who dont want to learn :rolleyes:[/url]

Such language cannot harm MS in anyway & do any good to FOSS :)

I hope you understand what I mean.

[s18000rpm]

Just to spice things up, why would a normal user want to download some sh!tty browser that finds the only way to promote itself and get some publicity by suing another company which is going to release a final version that will put to rest the most commonly alleged accusation?

Why would someone want to download some sh!tty browser when there is a browser that does what it should very efficiently?

Why would I want to download some sh!tty browser when I my Vista already has 1 that does everything?

Why would I want to download a sh!tty browser when most web developers specifically code websites for IE?

Why?

The only special browser out there, is the one that most web developers spend time on developing their sites for. It's IE.

IE 8 FTW!!!

BTW I guess after Krazzy's screen shot, the sh!tty browser just lost one user in Aayush :lol:
WHOA!!!

didnt expect this from you.

btw, run ie6/7 on xp or vista, it consumes more memory than those 3rd party (sh1tty) browsers & add those holes (security) too:p

when i buy a car, i'm not gonna stay with the standard audio player/tyre, nope, i'll get much better player/tyre.

same is the case with ie & opera. later one is performance package (nfs mw like:p)

[kalpik]

again I repeat: I want to show how bad M$ is ! it gives me more satisfaction than giving effort to mindlocked M$haft moronic gays who dont want to learn :rolleyes:


http://www.defectivebydesign.org/what_is_drm
Please refrain from using such language..

[gxsaurav]

Kalpik, it's normal for him. He is just being FOSS terrorist

[praka123]

^like you people being M$haft megalomaniacs. :rolleyes:

[gxsaurav]

Nah, we bash MS where it deserves it. You don't bash FOSS even when it deserves it.

[T159]

ZOMG...these fan wars !

[praka123]

show me where you bash?you cant!you are a ....boy! :rolleyes:
I am loosing my patience.any way you people must die seeing the death of bill gates,steve ballmer and their moronic M$haft corporation :x

[kalpik]

@GX: Why did you have to intervene when i had already warned praka?

@Praka: STOP it, else you will face consequences.

[gxsaurav]

show me where you bash?you cant!you are a ....boy!

Ya, Me & all my GFs are sure, that I am indeed a boy :D

I am loosing my patience.any way you people must die seeing the death of bill gates,steve ballmer and their moronic M$haft corporation :x

We heard this in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 & now 2008. It's getting boring now....FOSS hasn't given anything breakthrough in computing while Microsoft did in form of DirectX, Windows, Microsoft Office etc etc

[praka123]

Please do continue, it is much better than having husband killed wife or boy friend killed girl breaking news, the reason: coz he wouldnt have sex as condoms arent open source and the female decided to use i-Pill who the male confused to be an Apple product :lol:

wow! so much for LOLLING? right? :x open source is regard to technology not inside undies.if you can get :rolleyes:

sure M$ sucks.those who support M$ after knowing how pathetic and moronic this fcking corporation is ,can be rightly called us AZZZ_HOLEOS! go dig one may be redmond guy can fly there to catch with yours. :x

[gxsaurav]

@ Kalpik

Just chilling my mood, yaar 30 days se OS wars main part nahi liya hai :D

[kalpik]

wow! so much for LOLLING? right? :x open source is regard to technology not inside undies.if you can get :rolleyes:

sure M$ sucks.those who support M$ after knowing how pathetic and moronic this fcking corporation is ,can be rightly called us AZZZ_HOLEOS! go dig one may be redmond guy can fly there to catch with yours. :x
Ok, that's it.. Banned for 7 days.

[T159]

:rolleyes:
how i wished i could !

[rohan_shenoy]

wth :D

[CadCrazy]

Thanks Kalpik. Now we will have peace at least for some days :D

[krazzy]

Bill Gates a Moron?! Lawl! Most of you guys (including myself) wouldn't even be having a computer had not been for that guy. It's because of him that computers stopped being a geek thing and became a household item. Atleast think once before you hit the 'Post Reply' button whether what you wrote makes any sense at all.

[Charan]

ROFL ... What was going on in here =)) , I cant imagine what a simple Browser discussion can lead to .... total wastage of bandwidth and time..

[gxsaurav]

Kalpik, your treat in Kareem's is sure now....