Bin Laden Died of Typhoid!

[freshseasons]

Theres the news in Leading French News Paper and all across news that Bin laden is Dead due to Typhoid.Oficially its not out but this time it seems the news is Correct!!!

[Third Eye]

Maybe this news is fake.

[rakeshishere]

Good if he is dead :) and bad if he is alive :(

[jack// ani]

sure its a baloney.....

[blueshift]

Uncle Sam agents must be watching this forum.

[Third Eye]

Good if he is dead :) and bad if he is alive :(

Yeah !

[rakeshishere]

Actually the news is false/fake..He died of AIDS :))

[praka123]

1 more:he is/was a hero for many in the WORLD.a good:D man who want to conquer the world with sword as many ppl wants.a good man who wants the war between religions and west.:mad: may his ghost(if he be dead) rest in Hell:lol:

[QwertyManiac]

I am a news agency, I report he's in good condition. I earn 100$
You're another news agency, you report he's dead. You earn 1000$

lol.

[king007]

1 more:he is/was a hero for many in the WORLD.a good:D man who want to conquer the world with sword as many ppl wants.a good man who wants the war between religions and west.:mad: may his ghost(if he be dead) rest in Hell:lol:

I in no way support the Terrorist acts which Laden did, It does not make me a difference whether he is dead or alive but when stupid and uneducated people like u blame the Muslims for wrong doings and evil acts of individuals then its hurting.

FACTS AND ONLY FACTS


The massacre beyond comparison happened and still happening in Chechnya and the innocent people including women and children are brutally killed and
raped every day.

The innocent people including women and children brutally killed everyday
in Palestine. The Israel, for half a century destroying the Palestinian
people and their houses with the help of arms and financial and moral
support provided by the USA.

The people including women and children in Iraq killed during the war and
12 years long sanctions. 500,000 children under age 5 would have alive
today if sanctions did not exist. This hijacking and hostage taking of Iraq
did by the so called civilized people.

The innocent boys and girls killed in Afghanistan during Russian and
American invasion.

The massacre beyond comparison happened in Bosnia and Kosovo and the
innocent people including women and children are brutally killed and raped.

Anybody can forget Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Who did this, Muslims or
Christians?

Who used weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in the history of mankind,
Muslims or Christians?

Anybody can forget Hitler? He was a Roman Catholic.

Anybody can forget Vietnam War and the chemical weapons used to kill poor
Vietnamese? Who did this, Muslims or Christians?

Anybody can forget Stalin who killed millions of people in Russia? He was a
Christian.

Any civilized man can forget AbuGharaib prison torture in Iraq?

Anybody can forget Oklahoma bombing? Who did this? Timothy McVeigh was a homegrown product.

Anybody can forget 2 World Wars? How many people died in these wars? Who
fought these wars?

Any human being can justify the killing and destruction of one country,
Afghanistan, by America in order to capture one man, Osama Bin Laden? Bush
is a terrorist or humanist? What is the meaning of terrorism?

Any human being can justify the killing and destruction of one country, Iraq, by America in the name of WMD and which was proved later as
a big lie? Bush is a Born-Again Christian. Bush is a terrorist or humanist?

Anybody can forget the Crusades against Muslims in the 10th century? Who
did this, Muslims or Christians?

The French killed about a million Muslims in Algeria because they wanted
independence. Who did this, Muslims or Christians?

The USA and Britain killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Who did this,
Muslims or Christians?

Serbs have killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims and raped thousands of
women in Bosnia and Kosovo.

The massacre of Sabra and Shatila in Beirut was not done by Muslims, but by
Christians of Lebanon, protected and supported by the Israelis.

The genocide of Bosnian Muslims is committed by the Serbs (Greek Orthodox),
and the Croats (Catholics). The Bosnian Muslims were denied the means to
defend thousands, while non-Muslims were given arms to kill Muslims.

The fight between the Catholics and Protestants of Northern Ireland is not
the work of Muslims.

The Ku Klux Klan is a white militant Christian fundamentalist group. They
still exist in the USA, and are not banned. They are not accused as white
militant Christian fundamentalists.

The invasion of Panama by the US Government and putting President Noriega
in jail is not considered state terrorism or a state of fundamentalism. It
was considered liberation of that country and offering the people the so
called “American democracy”. The ordinary, innocent citizens of this
country were slaughtered, imprisoned and tortured.

In Chile, US brought down the democratically elected government of
Salvadore Allende and installed the right-wing military dictator General
Augusto Pinochet. The ordinary, innocent citizens of this country were
slaughtered, imprisoned and tortured.

The invasion of a tiny island Grenada by the U.S. Government and the
shackling of its president as a slave are considered a liberation movement,
but not a state of terrorism. The ordinary, innocent citizens of this
country were slaughtered, imprisoned and tortured.

The attack of Libya by American weapons during the Reagan administration
was not considered terrorism or fundamentalism, but part of the New World
Order scheme.

The attack on the nuclear reactor in Baghdad by Israelis was considered a
heroic achievement of the government of Israel, but not terrorism and
fundamentalism.

Fundamentalism as explained by Webster Dictionary has nothing to do with
Islam or Muslims. It has to do with Christianity.

I can list down in “tons” the atrocities committed by Western “Civilized
people” to the humanity. The media mostly associate terrorism with the Muslims but it is the Christians and Jews that hold the record when it comes to the number of children and other innocent people killed.

Sorry for being harsh but I am a Proud Indian and a Peace Loving Muslim and I dont need to prove it to u....

[Vyasram]

I am a news agency, I report he's in good condition. I earn 100$
You're another news agency, you report he's dead. You earn 1000$

lol.

absolutely. rakhi reports he died of aids and gets $10000

[blueshift]

I in no way support the Terrorist acts which Laden did, It does not make me a difference whether he is dead or alive but when stupid and uneducated people like u blame the Muslims for wrong doings and evil acts of individuals then its hurting.
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Sorry for being harsh but I am a Proud Indian and a Peace Loving Muslim and I dont need to prove it to u....

didn't read your entire post..but i don't think he is blaming anyone. you are getting the things wrong...and Believe me i am hurt too when some illiterates blames the entire religion!

[satyamy]

didn't read your entire post..but i don't think he is blaming anyone. you are getting the things wrong...and Believe me i am hurt too when some illiterates blames the entire religion!
yes

[gxsaurav]

u can't blame christians or muslims directly, it's the nation who does this. America, France, Italy, Germany, they are responsible for what happened in the past, but not chirstanity, actully....they don't even care, it's just bussiness, War means money growing market
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oh, & he can't die, the bush administration will have nothing to say in the defence of their illegally created administration...if osama is dead, so we will hear for the next few years, Osama is alive till there are new elections in USA, & even that doesn't matter.

The oil companies of Bush have now complete control over the oil of iraq, so even if he goes out of WHite house, he is still the riches man alive, & he got control over the goverment of Iraq & Afgan

[Stick]

Theres the news in Leading French News Paper and all across news that Bin laden is Dead due to Typhoid.Oficially its not out but this time it seems the news is Correct!!!

Dear this all DRAMA is stage just becuse, US president Bush threat Pakistan Presidnet Musharraf to Catch Laden or US push Pakistan to stoneage by it Bombing.

Now of laden is no more Pak. thought US will not Bombing. But US will not satisfy till Pak give them SOLID proof that Laden is no More.

[pra_2006]

hey gusy i dont think he is dead, it may be pakistanis who r just saying it becauz US is deciding to go to pakistan to kill him

[mediator]

@Imranais.....nah he (@prakash) didnt meant that!
Neways wars and terrorism are 2 different things. U shud distinguish between them. Civilians are killed in both on both sides. Ur post contained wars in the same meaning as terrorism. 2 brothers fighting for a piece of cake is different from a brother slapping younger brother continously for cake!

The media mostly associate terrorism with the
Muslims but it is the Christians and Jews that hold the record when it
comes to the number of children and other innocent people killed.

I dont support pointing fingers on any specific religion. But then u are doing the same pointing finger on Jews and christian! And ever wondered why Media associates terrorism with Muslims? Think hard....and u'll find that the whole Muslim community is getting defamed because of Pakistan and terrorists like Osama and most pakistanis support the deeds of their government!

Yes and I agree Bush is the terrorist number one! but then targetting Christians and jews like u said is not sane. Do u know more than half of America and almost the whole of Britain protested when both America and Britian sent troops to Iraq?? Will u still criticise the major religion of their country?

Try to meditate on my points. No one is after any religion! I know its the fault of media too which says Muslims as terrorists! It only angers the Indian Muslims.

But I guess thats what they (Pakistanis) want and create communal tensions in India. And please dont ever think Pakistanis care for Indian Muslims! I can recite various of examples. Let me just give u the latest one. I'm sure u must have read about Malegaon incident. Who was the culprit? A Let commander!!!

See nobody here said that Mulsims are terrorists! U only misunderstood and I know why! There are ignorant elements who dont know the real issue and then keep doing what Pakistanis really want => communal tensions! Please forgive them. U dont have to be like them. If u retaliate them it will only make matters worse! In most threads here u'll find many rowdy/ignorant elemts quoting "Muslims as terrorists". But then u'll also find greater number of people scolding them and telling them thats wrong!

So by saying & replying like "Christians and Jews are real terrorists" will only make matters worse! Try to make ur own identity. Foreigners abroad can identify u by ur nature whether u are an Indian or Non-Indian! And do u know many restaurants in places like Thailand,Malaysia,Singapore etc etc have Pakistani,Bangladeshi owned restaurants running under the INDIAN tag??

When u ask them why they do so....the only answer u'll hear is "People dont come here when we say that we are Pakistanis!" My simple point is Pakistan is a ruined state and ruins everything associated with it...be its people or its major religion i.e Muslim!

[Apollo]

Good...

I hope he will now enjoy having sex with 72 virgins in jannat and satiate his libido. And leave all of us on this planet with a little bit of extra peace and breathing space!

Rock on, (Dust)bin Laden!

[reddick]

No matter if he's dead or alive...He has such brave soldiers in his organisation that 'Al-Qaeda' will remain alive after his death :oops: Al-Qaeda will remain good pain for america year after years if he dies 2day also :cool:

[Apollo]

Indeed.

Al-Qaeda is not just a terrorist organisation any more; it's a movement in the Islamic world threatening to take over the world. Osama has played his role... doesn't matter if he dies now. The damage is long done.

[ssdivisiongermany1933]

Bin laden was only guy who was cheking American Fascism , his death will lead to the growth of evil American Fascism , which took innocent lives all over the world .

May bin laden have heaven if died but if alive should check american Fascism

[king007]

See nobody here said that Mulsims are terrorists! U only misunderstood and I know why! There are ignorant elements who dont know the real issue and then keep doing what Pakistanis really want => communal tensions! Please forgive them. U dont have to be like them. If u retaliate them it will only make matters worse! In most threads here u'll find many rowdy/ignorant elemts quoting "Muslims as terrorists". But then u'll also find greater number of people scolding them and telling them thats wrong!
Thanks that's what I like people who actually understand and say that Terrorism cannot be labeled to any religion. Thanks again for understanding and making others understand!

Bin Laden is a Terrorist and so is George Bush, there is no difference between the two, other than presentation by Media for former as Terrorist and later as Socialist...

No religion teaches bad things or killing any human being for any damn reason, but nobody should judge or comment about a entire religion just because of activities done by few individuals....

Respect for all religions is what our great Indian nation teaches us, United we stand and divided we fall...

[Yamaraj]

No religion teaches bad things or killing any human being for any damn reason, but nobody should judge or comment about a entire religion just because of activities done by few individuals....

Respect for all religions is what our great Indian nation teaches us, United we stand and divided we fall...
Then you should be ashamed of the muslim terrorists who are committing inhuman
crimes all over the World, in the name of Islam and Jihad. Are you?

Muslims, in India, need to do more than just preaching that Islam is not about
violence, terrorism and separatism. Are you ready to accept the Indian laws
and constitution as others do? Are you ready to give up Shariya and firm your
beliefs in a democratic nation? If this can happen in France, why not here?

But no. Islam has always been and will continue to be a separatist's dream and
ideal set of beliefs. You will all cry "unity", but cheer for Arabs and Pakistanis.
Muslims will always remain as tiny social islands in this vast national ocean.
There is reason why muslims are one of the the most under-developed communities
in India and abroad. And the reason is - lack of nationality and love for Islamic
states and their own laws. Until and unless you get rid of this mentality, others
will always look down on muslims and Islam.

BTW, I don't think Osama was responsible for 9/11 attacks. He didn't have the
guts or resources to carry out such an extensive and well-planned action on his own.

[king007]

Then you should be ashamed of the muslim terrorists who are committing inhuman
crimes all over the World, in the name of Islam and Jihad. Are you?
Yes Every muslim is ashamed of the terrorists acts done by Al-Qaaeda or by US or other countries. People who kill have no religion, they just know to kill...
Muslims, in India, need to do more than just preaching that Islam is not about violence, terrorism and separatism. Are you ready to accept the Indian laws and constitution as others do?
Get ur facts right, no citizen of India is above the Indian Law and Indian Constitution.
Are you ready to give up Shariya and firm your beliefs in a democratic nation? If this can happen in France, why not here?
No I am not ready to give up Shariya, and if u have knowledge Shariya Laws are part of the Indian Laws. Indian Constitution has provisions for Shariya Laws.
But no. Islam has always been and will continue to be a separatist's dream and ideal set of beliefs. You will all cry "unity", but cheer for Arabs and Pakistanis.
Get more education thats only thing I can say. I dont need to prove how much I love my country and give a proof of my patriotism to people like you who have a closed mindset.
Muslims will always remain as tiny social islands in this vast national ocean. There is reason why muslims are one of the the most under-developed communities in India and abroad. And the reason is - lack of nationality and love for Islamic states and their own laws. Until and unless you get rid of this mentality, others will always look down on muslims and Islam.
People like you who have no knowledge about anything look down on muslims and Islam and as I said I love my country as much as I love Islamic Laws and again I say I dont need to prove it to you. Plz let me know which Islamic Law u know about is wrong and why u think is wrong.
BTW, I don't think Osama was responsible for 9/11 attacks. He didn't have the guts or resources to carry out such an extensive and well-planned action on his own. Great then plz go and tell Uncle Sam and others who have destroyed countries in search of one man, who according to u does not have the guts and resources to do such a unbelievable act.

[Yamaraj]

Yes Every muslim is ashamed of the terrorists acts done by Al-Qaaeda or by US or other countries. People who kill have no religion, they just know to kill...
Correct. But there are *moderate* people who help the terrorists in many other
ways. They provide moral and economical support. Can you describe why some
muslim lads participated in suicide bombings in Britain? They were British nationals,
but their love and affection was with Arabs and Palestines. They killed their
own because of others, why?

Even if we consider all humans equal, why kill someone only in protest of killings?
Stand up and fight against those in your community who provide support to
the terrorists in any way. AFAIK, terrorists don't discreminate. They kill anyone
and everyone in their benefit.

Get ur facts right, no citizen of India is above the Indian Law and Indian Constitution.

No I am not ready to give up Shariya, and if u have knowledge Shariya Laws are part of the Indian Laws. Indian Constitution has provisions for Shariya Laws.
Wrong! Indian constituion was revised many times by the politicians to satiate
their vote banks. Why only muslims should have the priviledge? Let's make more
revisions to make Hindus, Christians, Buddhists happy too.

I'm in favor of "One law for all". This is neither a Hindu state, nor an Islamic one.
No religion should have specific laws in constitution that make life of any Indian
national any more difficult. Many muslim feminists have voiced against the Mullahs
and Imams, and the way Islam looks down on women. There are many other issues
as well, inappropriate for discussion in this forum.

Get more education thats only thing I can say. I dont need to prove how much I love my country and give a proof of my patriotism to people like you who have a closed mindset.

People like you who have no knowledge about anything look down on muslims and Islam and as I said I love my country as much as I love Islamic Laws and again I say I dont need to prove it to you. Plz let me know which Islamic Law u know about is wrong and why u think is wrong.
I already have enough education to boot, and to make people analyse their own.
I'm not asking for a proof of patriotism. Just don't start preaching that Islam
is not a religion of violence, when there are so many people being killed in the
name of your religion. Do you ever think about the hundreds of children killed
in Beslan school attack in Russia, thousands who were killed in Kashmir?

As for the Islamic laws, I'm against any religion having specific laws that may
or may not interfere with the laws and constituion of a nation. Islamic laws are
for an Islamic state only. Having any religious laws in the constitution, and allowing
the religious leader to govern in parallel, is very bad for any country.

That being said, I've nothing personal against any religion. But I'm of the opinion
that religions should be a personal affair, and not be in the way of the Government
in any way. In France, they banned the Sikhs and Muslims from wearing their
turbon or burkah, and everyone agreed after a few verbal clashes. That is quite
an example to follow.

In the age of Robo Sapiens, religions are, in my opinion, a little too outdated.

[mediator]

Well @imranais....bro dont get me wrong! But I too feel there shud be no laws for one specific religion! Thats partiality then. There shudnt be any laws for any religion! I'm not a religious person though I'm a Hindu.That means I'm not religously devoted. I dont practise any prayers(except just before exams) and fasts. But for the sake of masses who are emotionally attached to religion I support a few things like celebrating holidays like Diwali,Holi,Id etc which bring happiness and one day off :D!

As for rules and laws in a religion, I think its a torture to have such a religion which has rules. In mah opinion life shud be lived freely,ethically,non-violently in a civilised society. If u let some religious rules govern ur life then I dont think ur living life freely and happily. Many people say religion is a set of rules and laws! But tell me any rules in Hinduism that is there to follow. I dont know any rules nor I follow any religious rule if there's any.

Prayer,Namaz etc are nothing but a form of meditation and associated with spirituality. But if u say u shud do prayers all the time then what are u doing in life? Are u moving forward? Are u helping others? Are u earning maximum money to keep ur family happy?

I dunno about Sharia, but I know about the concept of "Talak Talak Talak"! Why is there a separate rule for divorce in Muslim community? I appreciate that u understood mah previous post and boast about ur patriotism and are proud to be an Indian. But then why is that Muslims dont follow national rule on divorce, but follow a rule that is modified and made by a few Islamic clerics? Who gave such rights to these clerics to modify Islam and govern ur life? Isnt Islam urs? Will they tell u what do now? Dont ISlamic women have the life to live freely like other women? If u think its for protecting the girls in the family so that no one eyes them then every other girl of all other religions are protected and educated in some manner. But they are not denied of their life. Remember its the woman who holds the key to family happiness! If u give the household power to her then ur happy for the rest of ur life!

And one more thing I dont like in any religion is violent activities like slaughtering of animals like goats and that too in numbers just for the sake of religion! I consider killing an animal just like that equivalent to murdering people and doing terrorism! Religious holdays shu be celebrated without causing any pain to people or animals!
Similarly I criticise people who celebrate too much diwali! 2-5 crackers is OK. But then polluting the atmosphere so that people dont even get to breath is not OK.


Neways just like u read my earlier post line by line and understood it. I want u to read the same this and meditate again on what I said!
I supported u previously because u had a point. U liked my post because I supported u and u thought I was sensible enough. But dont get me wrong this time. I support ur views now also but not the "laws" thing.
Debates like this are meant to tell ur thoughts about the topic. Other debaters shud understand what the person is trying to say before speaking his own thoughts!
Suppose if some hindus or christians criticise islam, then its understood that u'll get angry. But rather u shud think why are they criticing? Similarly if some Muslims crtitices other hindus. The matter shud be thought of in the same way!

Try to think about what I said. I appreciate u didnt made personal comments and burst off because of misunderstanding but rather tried to defend ur community! Similarly by removing such partiality like laws, muslims like u can prosper ur religion!

I expect muslims like u to give a fitting answer to people like Osama and countries like Pakistan and tell them that their attempts wont succeed and wont bring any communal violence!

[Stick]

Friends,

Do you know Who Support Iran, Iraq, Laden and now Pakistan, it's US presidents and there policy. First of all thy USE them (Support Terrorist) and when all is done they THROGUH them, and no one like KICK on ASS.

Thats why After Afghanistan, US turn to Iraq than (may be soon) Iran and aftr Iran, PAKISTAN.

[king007]

Well @imranais....bro dont get me wrong! But I too feel there shud be no laws for one specific religion! Thats partiality then. There shudnt be any laws for any religion! I'm not a religious person though I'm a Hindu.That means I'm not religously devoted. I dont practise any prayers(except just before exams) and fasts. But for the sake of masses who are emotionally attached to religion I support a few things like celebrating holidays like Diwali,Holi,Id etc which bring happiness and one day off :D! No bro you talk sense so I am not getting u wrong! All laws are applicable for all citizens of India. No criminal of India is treated as per his/her religion. No one is above the Law in India. Having said that there are a few exceptions for everyone. This is because there are some laws such as Inheritance rights, marriage, divorce etc are different in Muslim laws based on teachings of Qur'an and teachings of the prophet. With regards to partiality, one cannot tell a Sikh to wear a Helmet bec its compulsory by law, there are exeptions. There is no theory which can legitimately argue that people are going to be more integrated simply because they are governed by a uniform civil code. For example, even though Hindus and Sikhs have the same personal laws, the anti-Sikhs riots took place in 1984. What happened to national integration in this case? Similarly, no one can say with certainty that Hindus and Muslims will stop reaching for each other’s necks if there is a Uniform Civil Code UCC in place. So why argue about this point as these would also put extra burden on already full of burden courts. Cases such as Inheritance, divorce etc which are given on judgement in days by Shariat courts, if goto courts will take years...
As for rules and laws in a religion, I think its a torture to have such a religion which has rules. In mah opinion life shud be lived freely,ethically,non-violently in a civilised society. If u let some religious rules govern ur life then I dont think ur living life freely and happily. Many people say religion is a set of rules and laws! But tell me any rules in Hinduism that is there to follow. I dont know any rules nor I follow any religious rule if there's any. Rules of religion are bound to be followed. I am not preaching religion here but in Islam, Drinking is prohibited, there is a reason for it isn't it? No true muslim will ever go and drink, if he does he is no more a muslim. In Islam, No man can have illegal sex before marriage or sex with other women after marriage. The Islamic Law states that if a man is found guilty of such a crime he should be stoned to death. Imagine if this law is implemented in any country, will any person commit heinous crime of Rape, he would fear his life and the torture of getting stoned to death in public. There are many laws which are logical and for betterment of life, if I start listing it would probably take pages.
Prayer,Namaz etc are nothing but a form of meditation and associated with spirituality. But if u say u shud do prayers all the time then what are u doing in life? Are u moving forward? Are u helping others? Are u earning maximum money to keep ur family happy? Yes Bro I agree with u that prayer's are form of meditation. In fact Namaz means submitting ur will to the almighty God. God never asked to pray all the time. But one should thank and praise God for everything he has given to us. A Person has other duties also to perform towards his parents, family, friends etc. Treat everyone with respect and spread peace and also working and earning money is important, but the right means of earning is also governed by religious laws. Money should be earned by looting someone or cheating someone but in a manner which is accpetable to all. And Islam specifically states a lot in the Qur'an about Education. Muslims who do not educate their children (boy/girl) are nothing but ignorant towards Islam.
I dunno about Sharia, but I know about the concept of "Talak Talak Talak"! Why is there a separate rule for divorce in Muslim community? I appreciate that u understood mah previous post and boast about ur patriotism and are proud to be an Indian. But then why is that Muslims dont follow national rule on divorce, but follow a rule that is modified and made by a few Islamic clerics? Who gave such rights to these clerics to modify Islam and govern ur life? Isnt Islam urs? Will they tell u what do now? Triple Talaq has been argued many times. Believe me there are lot of conditions involved with giving Triple Talaq. A person cannot say 3 times Talaq and he is divorced (as commonly understood by all), but there are lots and lots of conditions to it. I am not boasting about my Patriotism, I dont need to but you rightly said I am a proud Indian and like I said earlier there are exceptions. I dont listen or let anyone rule by life like you said, if it matches with the Qur'an and teachings of Prophet it is to be followed or it is simply to be Rejected no matter which cleric has said or modified it.
Dont ISlamic women have the life to live freely like other women? If u think its for protecting the girls in the family so that no one eyes them then every other girl of all other religions are protected and educated in some manner. But they are not denied of their life. Remember its the woman who holds the key to family happiness! If u give the household power to her then ur happy for the rest of ur life! Islam gives equal rights to women as compared to men. Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.

And one more thing I dont like in any religion is violent activities like slaughtering of animals like goats and that too in numbers just for the sake of religion! I consider killing an animal just like that equivalent to murdering people and doing terrorism! Religious holdays shu be celebrated without causing any pain to people or animals!
Similarly I criticise people who celebrate too much diwali! 2-5 crackers is OK. But then polluting the atmosphere so that people dont even get to breath is not OK. It seems u are a vegetarian...
Humans have Omnivorous set of teeth
If you observe the teeth of herbivorous animals like the cow, goat and sheep, you will find something strikingly similar in all of them. All these animals have a set of flat teeth i.e. suited for herbivorous diet. If you observe the set of teeth of the carnivorous animals like the lion, tiger, or leopard, they all have a set of pointed teeth i.e. suited for a carnivorous diet. If you analyze the set of teeth of humans, you find that they have flat teeth as well as pointed teeth. Thus they have teeth suited for both herbivorous as well as carnivorous food i.e. they are omnivorous. One may ask, if Almighty God wanted humans to have only vegetables, why did He provide us also with pointed teeth? It is logical that He expected us to need and to have both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food.
Human beings can digest both vegetarian and non-vegetarian food
The digestive system of herbivorous animals can digest only vegetables. The digestive system of carnivorous animals can digest only meat. But the digestive system of humans can digest both vegetarian and non-vegetarian food. If Almighty God wanted us to have only vegetables then why did He give us a digestive system that can digest both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food?
Even plants have life
Certain religions have adopted pure vegetarianism as a dietary law because they are totally against the killing of living creatures. If a person can survive without killing any living creature, I would be the first person to adopt such a way of life. In the past people thought plants were lifeless. Today it is a universal fact that even plants have life. Today science tells us that even plants can feel pain. But the cry of the plant cannot be heard by the human being. This is due to the inability of the human ear to hear sounds that are not in the audible range i.e. 20 Hertz to 20,000 Hertz. Anything below and above this range cannot be heard by a human being. Thus their logic of not killing living creatures is not fulfilled even by being a pure vegetarian.
If every human being was a vegetarian, it would lead to overpopulation of cattle in the world, since their reproduction and multiplication is very swift. Allah (swt) in His Divine Wisdom knows how to maintain the balance of His creation appropriately. No wonder He has permitted us to have the meat of the cattle. It is mentioned in Manu Smruti, the law book of Hindus, in chapter 5 verse 30
"The eater who eats the flesh of those to be eaten does nothing bad, even if he does it day after day, for God himself created some to be eaten and some to be eater."
Neways just like u read my earlier post line by line and understood it. I want u to read the same this and meditate again on what I said! I read ur post line by line, and expect you read my post in the same way....
I supported u previously because u had a point. U liked my post because I supported u and u thought I was sensible enough. But dont get me wrong this time. I support ur views now also but not the "laws" thing.
Debates like this are meant to tell ur thoughts about the topic. Other debaters shud understand what the person is trying to say before speaking his own thoughts! I didnt like your post because you supported me but because you gave a reading to it and replied with lot of sense. I respect people who have open mind and are open to discussions and debate and so I respect u a lot bro!
Suppose if some hindus or christians criticise islam, then its understood that u'll get angry. But rather u shud think why are they criticing? Similarly if some Muslims crtitices other hindus. The matter shud be thought of in the same way! I totally agree with u on this! :)
Try to think about what I said. I appreciate u didnt made personal comments and burst off because of misunderstanding but rather tried to defend ur community! Thanks for understanding that I was only defending and not preaching or offending someone.
I expect muslims like u to give a fitting answer to people like Osama and countries like Pakistan and tell them that their attempts wont succeed and wont bring any communal violence! Yes I and all Indian Muslims (there may be a few uneducated exceptions as there are black sheeps in every religion) stand against a Terrorist country like Pakistan and also against all violence happening anywhere in the world for any damn reason.

Thanks for reading patiently, would like to hear more comments and clarifications from u soon, Thanks! :)

[praka123]

fight terrorism out of India and world without taking out religious sentiments.thats what every country needed to do even Islamic Countries also.anyways after the US attack on Afganisthan,and warnings for militant bases at pakistan from US,somehow made the terrorist establishment lesser as u can see Kashmir is getting Better after these foreign terrorist/infiltrators are less in number.


Basically i think the believers in Ganga-Jamuna delta are much better than their counterparts in saud and middle east as a whole.they are having better skills on all arts and are more liberal earlier.
http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/2004/01-15Dec04-Print-Edition/011512200426.htm

anyways i believe Hindus,Buddhist,Jainism and Roman Catholic/Orthodox Christianity are very very tolerant religions.they allows other religions and foreign peoples in their land and gave them the privilages of the country to these foreigners also.
http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-478/_nr-297/i.html

[Yamaraj]

Rules of religion are bound to be followed. I am not preaching religion here but in Islam, Drinking is prohibited, there is a reason for it isn't it? No true muslim will ever go and drink, if he does he is no more a muslim. In Islam, No man can have illegal sex before marriage or sex with other women after marriage. The Islamic Law states that if a man is found guilty of such a crime he should be stoned to death.
Then how many real muslims are there in the World? Religious rules are pathetic
ideological ramblings of a perfectionist schizophreniac, most of the times. And
I'm not talking about any specific religion. Manu Smruti is equally laughable, as
are Old/New Testaments. Any normal and sane person wouldn't even follow
half the rules imposed by any religion whatsoever.

Remember, Islam, or any other religion, doesn't predate the evolution of mankind.
Religions exist to serve one purpose only - to differentiate and discriminate.
For what other reason one would place his sword at the neck of another and
ask him to accept his ideology or die? Obviously hatred!

No other religion ever had provision to make others pay taxes, if they didn't
already convert, or die as 'infidels'. Violence and hatred are integral to Islam.
The whole of Islamic history is full of violence and hatred towards others. The
same cannot be said about Hinduism (even if I don't consider it a religion) and
Buddhism or Jainism.

You cannot boast of peace in the name of Islam, for peace and Islam don't
quite fit together. It's an oxymoron. Why don't you spend some time explaining
this verse to me, in terms of peace?

From Qur'an:
"I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike
off the very tips of their fingers!"

Any"thing" that preaches violence to its followers is not worthy of the title
"God", not does it even qualify for a sane person. It's pure terrorism.

I invite you and others to read the following articles and form your own
'independent' opinion, one not directed by the mass media or "prophets".

1. Where is the Gandhi of Islam? - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/07/09/do09.xml&page=1
2. Muhammad was a terrorist - http://answering-islam.org/Silas/terrorism.htm
3. Islamic extremist terrorism - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_extremist_terrorism

There is no place for senseless religious violence in today's World. If you can't
get rid of your Dark Ages' beliefs, at least learn to live in a civilized democratic
society.

[JGuru]

America did & continues to dominate & dictate terms to the entire World. What America
did in the Middle East is not correct. They meddled with the internal affairs of other
nations, bombed Japan, killed millions in the Muslim countries. And now Bin Laden
thought Enough is enough, let's fight America at their own terms!!.
And that's when they (Al Qaeda) planned & executed 9/11 attacks in America.
Al Qaeda gave the Americans the taste of their own medicine!!!
This war between the Muslim world & the Christian world will continue for long.
Even if Bin Laden is dead, Al Qaeda has become a very stronger force to reckon
with & will continue to give more nightmares to America.

[mediator]

No bro you talk sense so I am not getting u wrong! All laws are applicable for all citizens of India. No criminal of India is treated as per his/her religion. No one is above the Law in India. Having said that there are a few exceptions for everyone. This is because there are some laws such as Inheritance rights, marriage, divorce etc are different in Muslim laws based on teachings of Qur'an and teachings of the prophet. With regards to partiality, one cannot tell a Sikh to wear a Helmet bec its compulsory by law, there are exeptions. There is no theory which can legitimately argue that people are going to be more integrated simply because they are governed by a uniform civil code. For example, even though Hindus and Sikhs have the same personal laws, the anti-Sikhs riots took place in 1984. What happened to national integration in this case? Similarly, no one can say with certainty that Hindus and Muslims will stop reaching for each other’s necks if there is a Uniform Civil Code UCC in place. So why argue about this point as these would also put extra burden on already full of burden courts. Cases such as Inheritance, divorce etc which are given on judgement in days by Shariat courts, if goto courts will take years...

Why do u want Sikh to wear helments bro...when they already have natural, much efficient helmets? Helmets are for ur security though I believe its the opposite.....but the laws shud be equal for everyone! Suppose there's a killer. Then what do u expect, the laws shud be different for him if he's from a different religion? As for burden on court thats their problem. If cases are to be solved like this then no wonder every religion will demand its own laws on Inheritance,divorce etc! This will certainly lead to isolation and difference between the communities. And what can happen next? => Disintegration of country based on religions! A jain country with its own laws, islamic country and hindu country with their own laws.
Next, the muslim tourists will migrate to jain country and hindu country and hindu will migrate other religion country. Then after few years further disintegration! I hope u got my point!
You may give some more examples other than the Sikh, but they have got a better helmet! So dont say they dont wear helmet! Neways just like Sikhs gave up their main thing like turbans etc in France cant Muslims do the same in democratic Society? I'm not saying to give up everything. SIkhs gave up everything in France, I have mah sympathy with them. But atleast the laws and to maintain the spirit of Democracy! Because of these laws and differences India was partitioned to India and Pakistan. Do u want a partition again? So why shud u have separate laws?


Rules of religion are bound to be followed. I am not preaching religion here but in Islam, Drinking is prohibited, there is a reason for it isn't it? No true muslim will ever go and drink, if he does he is no more a muslim. In Islam, No man can have illegal sex before marriage or sex with other women after marriage. The Islamic Law states that if a man is found guilty of such a crime he should be stoned to death. Imagine if this law is implemented in any country, will any person commit heinous crime of Rape, he would fear his life and the torture of getting stoned to death in public. There are many laws which are logical and for betterment of life, if I start listing it would probably take pages.

Drinking,Sex before Marriage etc do not come under any specific religion! These are not laws! In any Indian family non-drinking,virgin before marriage are called family values,ethics,culturedness etc. For western society its different. They dont have any culture! SO dont compare India to western society. Western society is a big joke itself!
Do u think just because of these rules,islamic rules as u say ...muslim girls and boys dont drink? Do u think they dont have sex before marriages? These scandals come on net everyday. And not to metnion Pakistani sex scandals are rising faster than Indian sex scandals! Its easy to say such stuff! But every where even in hardcore Islamic societies like Iran drinking happens if not openly then privately, sex before marriage does happen! Its upto the family background and family values that are embedded in girls and boys that forbids them not to drink in parties! Every mother tells her child not to drink etc! So non-drinking etc is not something preached by Almighty alone, it is preached by every mother irrelevant of the fact whether she is religios or non-religious and was preached even before religion started!

If anybody starts preaching these things at mass level to ignorant,non-religious uneducate people and tribal areas then I'm sure he can start a different religion all by himslef!

I still say these are not religious rules but a part of culture,tradition u can say,ethics etc! I wud like u to mention somemore points if u have to convince me that religion is indeed a set of rules that need to be practised to improve ur life without degrading the life of others!



Islam gives equal rights to women as compared to men. Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.

Again ur comparing it with stupid western society. I can give tons of examples. In western society if u are stayig with ur parents together then ur considered extremely blessed. This is their situation. So dont bring western society here! If women are treated equally then why are do they made burqa? Arent they allowed to absorb Sunlight equally as muslim men do? Another example is Sania Mirza. Why are muslims so concerned about her dress? Shudnt they just watch her sports instead of her dress? Do muslims want a separate rule for that too?


It seems u are a vegetarian...
Humans have Omnivorous set of teeth
If you observe the teeth of herbivorous animals like the cow, goat and sheep, you will find something strikingly similar in all of them. All these animals have a set of flat teeth i.e. suited for herbivorous diet. If you observe the set of teeth of the carnivorous animals like the lion, tiger, or leopard, they all have a set of pointed teeth i.e. suited for a carnivorous diet. If you analyze the set of teeth of humans, you find that they have flat teeth as well as pointed teeth. Thus they have teeth suited for both herbivorous as well as carnivorous food i.e. they are omnivorous. One may ask, if Almighty God wanted humans to have only vegetables, why did He provide us also with pointed teeth? It is logical that He expected us to need and to have both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food.
Human beings can digest both vegetarian and non-vegetarian food
The digestive system of herbivorous animals can digest only vegetables. The digestive system of carnivorous animals can digest only meat. But the digestive system of humans can digest both vegetarian and non-vegetarian food. If Almighty God wanted us to have only vegetables then why did He give us a digestive system that can digest both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food?
Even plants have life
Certain religions have adopted pure vegetarianism as a dietary law because they are totally against the killing of living creatures. If a person can survive without killing any living creature, I would be the first person to adopt such a way of life. In the past people thought plants were lifeless. Today it is a universal fact that even plants have life. Today science tells us that even plants can feel pain. But the cry of the plant cannot be heard by the human being. This is due to the inability of the human ear to hear sounds that are not in the audible range i.e. 20 Hertz to 20,000 Hertz. Anything below and above this range cannot be heard by a human being. Thus their logic of not killing living creatures is not fulfilled even by being a pure vegetarian.
If every human being was a vegetarian, it would lead to overpopulation of cattle in the world, since their reproduction and multiplication is very swift. Allah (swt) in His Divine Wisdom knows how to maintain the balance of His creation appropriately. No wonder He has permitted us to have the meat of the cattle. It is mentioned in Manu Smruti, the law book of Hindus, in chapter 5 verse 30
"The eater who eats the flesh of those to be eaten does nothing bad, even if he does it day after day, for God himself created some to be eaten and some to be eater."

Oh man u took it to the root level! Wow. Neways yes u deduced correctly. I'm A VEGETARIAN :D! Neways just like u said


I dont listen or let anyone rule by life like you said, if it matches with the Qur'an and teachings of Prophet it is to be followed or it is simply to be Rejected no matter which cleric has said or modified it.


Similarly I dont follow anyone not even religious books! Though I have read all the Hindu epics and GITA, but I only learn from them if they have anything new to say and increases my wisdom! Believe me I dont follow any book blindly! I dont wanna talk about the teaching of some other religion other than mine. I just like to observe my religion and deduce whats right and whats wrong. IF u ask I can tell about othe religions too. But it wud be better if u urself deduce whats right and whats wrong in ur religion.
Just because Islam is ur religion and ur forefather have told u not to question the authourity of religious leaders and all, doesnt means u shud stop doing so. U shud question everything, even the rights and wrongs of ur religion and remeber is the power of question from where everyone has achieved wisdom and real spiritual knowledge!


Neways for this post I just wanna say Almighty has given us power to think constructively and destructively like u said about teeth their use! So shud we start thinking destructively too? He gave us power to save people and to kill them. Shud we start killing too?
So forget about what ur religion has said. At the end its upto u to use ur brain and decide whether its right and wrong!

Neways yes plant have life like animals. But they arent classified to Plants and animals for no reason! The categories: herbivore,carnivore : right and wrong arent classified for no reason!
I agree about the concept of eater and being eaten! BUt again if u eat, then only u kill an animal. If someone attacks ur brutally then only u kill him in return.
U shudnt kill any animal,goats etc just like that for the sake of religion and to please almighty. I similarly criticise the Tantriks who still live in dark ages and sacrifice even human being to please Almighty. Whats the difference between them and u then? We are supposed to be living in modern era. Why shud we practise what was done in dark ages that is higly irrational an unscientific? Do u think slaughtering animals like goats can bring happiness? Think again its opposite actually.

What u perform, what u do is how accordingly ur outlook towards life develops and becomes! Its not what I say, Its what all mothers and religious gods say and I agree with them!


I didnt like your post because you supported me but because you gave a reading to it and replied with lot of sense. I respect people who have open mind and are open to discussions and debate and so I respect u a lot bro!

Thanx for understanding bro!

Lets continue this interesting debate. And thanx for reading mah posts and quoting everyline line by line! Not many ppl are here who that.

Cheers! :)

[ruthless]

America has created the terrorist like Bin Laden. Now they are trying to kill him because they are afraid of what he would say if he is caught alive. If he speaks ,they will be in trouble.

I read somewhere that The Holy Bible and Quran contains same message and the events in both of the holy books are similer.(PLZ correct me if i m wrong.)

@yamraj U must not forget that only a minority of muslims become anti-social.I know many muslims who are very patriotic .
Why should we go further , our own president Dr. A.P.J Abdul Kalam is a muslim and no one can deny his contribution to our nation.

:)

@imranais- I thought vegetarian was the healthiest way of living. You must understand that plants have the ability to replaca their lost parts. If they feel the pain how will the seeds be dispersed for continuation of their species.

[Yamaraj]

@yamraj U must not forget that only a minority of muslims become anti-social.I know many muslims who are very patriotic .
Why should we go further , our own president Dr. A.P.J Abdul Kalam is a muslim and no one can deny his contribution to our nation.

:)
Exactly! I do have respect for APJ, but that is because he is not a religious
fanatic. Like I've said a million times before, I've nothing personal against muslims.
I dislike religious fundamentalists, irrespective of their religion. I dislike those
who kill people and take lives of innocent animals and still try to argue or
justify it.

[king007]

Why do u want Sikh to wear helments bro...when they already have natural, much efficient helmets? Helmets are for ur security though I believe its the opposite.....but the laws shud be equal for everyone! Suppose there's a killer. Then what do u expect, the laws shud be different for him if he's from a different religion? Thats what I said all Indians are bound by same laws. A Muslim Killer gets the same punishment as a Hindu killer or any other killer. There is no differentiation at all. Except a few exceptions as I said which exists for different religions.
As for burden on court thats their problem. If cases are to be solved like this then no wonder every religion will demand its own laws on Inheritance,divorce etc! This will certainly lead to isolation and difference between the communities. And what can happen next? => Disintegration of country based on religions! A jain country with its own laws, islamic country and hindu country with their own laws. Has the disintegration happened in 58 years of India's independence? These exceptions in laws are part of Indian constition. And like I said in previous posts having UCC does not mean unity..
Because of these laws and differences India was partitioned to India and Pakistan. Do u want a partition again? So why shud u have separate laws? Partition of India was the biggest mistake. If these two countries were one, we would have been a superpower by now. The amount of money these two countries spend to safeguard thier borders is just unimaginable...
Drinking,Sex before Marriage etc do not come under any specific religion! These are not laws! In any Indian family non-drinking,virgin before marriage are called family values,ethics,culturedness etc. For western society its different. They dont have any culture! SO dont compare India to western society. Western society is a big joke itself!
I agree Western Society is just degrading Human value and advertising it as Liberalisation of Socialism.
Do u think just because of these rules,islamic rules as u say ...muslim girls and boys dont drink? Do u think they dont have sex before marriages? These scandals come on net everyday. And not to metnion Pakistani sex scandals are rising faster than Indian sex scandals! Its easy to say such stuff! But every where even in hardcore Islamic societies like Iran drinking happens if not openly then privately, sex before marriage does happen! Its upto the family background and family values that are embedded in girls and boys that forbids them not to drink in parties! Every mother tells her child not to drink etc! So non-drinking etc is not something preached by Almighty alone, it is preached by every mother irrelevant of the fact whether she is religios or non-religious and was preached even before religion started!
I completely agree with u, but in Muslims drinking is a big taboo and as I said there are black sheeps in every religion, so muslims who drink or do other forbidden activities are not muslims at all or muslims only by name.
If women are treated equally then why are do they made burqa? Arent they allowed to absorb Sunlight equally as muslim men do? An Example: Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijaab i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijaab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur’an rightly says that hijaab prevents women from being molested. And Burkha is to safeguard women and her modesty and in no way meant to degrade her. Women who do understand Islam will wear a Burkha even if her husband/parents stop her. Burkha is not a forced garment but a recommended garment.
Another example is Sania Mirza. Why are muslims so concerned about her dress? Shudnt they just watch her sports instead of her dress? Do muslims want a separate rule for that too? There are only a few people who give comments about her, and these are the people who want to get fame by giving such comments or mediating in affairs where they are not even invited or required.
Oh man u took it to the root level! Wow. Neways yes u deduced correctly. I'm A VEGETARIAN :D!
So u kill plants to eat them. Now u may say plants have less senses than animals so killing plants is ok compared to killing animals...
Suppose your brother is born deaf and dumb and has two senses less as compared to other human beings. He becomes mature and someone murders him. Would you ask the judge to give the murderer a lesser punishment because your brother has two senses less? In fact you would say that he has killed a masoom, an innocent person, and the judge should give the murderer a greater punishment.
If a person can survive without killing any living creature, I would be the first person to adopt such a way of life. And the ecological balance created by God is in such a way that the animals which he has allowed to eat will never become extinct no matter how many u consume of them.
Just because Islam is ur religion and ur forefather have told u not to question the authourity of religious leaders and all, doesnt means u shud stop doing so. U shud question everything, even the rights and wrongs of ur religion and remeber is the power of question from where everyone has achieved wisdom and real spiritual knowledge!I do question about things and do not believe in blind faith. I even reasearch to find an answer. Also I believe in Islam not because I am born muslim but because it coincides with Logic and Science. With no offence to any other religion I can never believe that a Idol made by a human being to be God, God is something unimaginable we cannot create a idol, a picture or anything of him. And in Islam I have to only believe that there is only 1 God who has power to all.
The basic difference between Islam and Hinduism which I believe is of apostrophe S ('s). Hindus say Fire is God, sun is God, Moon is God etc etc and Muslims say everything is of God's.
Neways for this post I just wanna say Almighty has given us power to think constructively and destructively like u said about teeth their use! So shud we start thinking destructively too? He gave us power to save people and to kill them. Shud we start killing too?
So forget about what ur religion has said. At the end its upto u to use ur brain and decide whether its right and wrong! I completely agree with u bro. Nuclear Power can be used for constructive purposes also but we human made it destructive and created Nuclear bombs. We have to think about right and wrong.... I agree with u....
U shudnt kill any animal,goats etc just like that for the sake of religion and to please almighty. I similarly criticise the Tantriks who still live in dark ages and sacrifice even human being to please Almighty. Whats the difference between them and u then? The difference is that Tantriks believe that God requires meat and Blood to accept their prayers and Qur’ân clearly states that unlike some other religions who believe that Almighty God requires meat and blood, in Islam when we sacrifice an animal neither the blood nor the meat reaches God but it is our piety, intentions, and righteousness while sacrificing that is taken into consideration.
That is the reason when a sacrifice of an animal is made during Eedul-Duha (Bakri-Eed) 1/3rd portion of the animal has to be given in charity to the poor people1/3rd has to be distributed amongst relatives and friends. A maximum of 1/3rd portion may be kept for the personal household consumption.
No portion of the animal's flesh or blood is kept separately for Almighty God, because he does not require it. Thus We dont slaughter a Goat and offer Meat and Blood to God to please him.
We are supposed to be living in modern era. Why shud we practise what was done in dark ages that is higly irrational an unscientific? Do u think slaughtering animals like goats can bring happiness? Think again its opposite actually. Exactly it does not bring happiness but what is lawful to be eaten can be eaten and should be eaten....
If every human being was a vegetarian, it would lead to overpopulation of cattle in the world, since their reproduction and multiplication is very swift. God in His Divine Wisdom knows how to maintain the balance of His creation appropriately. No wonder He has permitted us to have the meat of the cattle.
Thanx for understanding bro!
Lets continue this interesting debate. And thanx for reading mah posts and quoting everyline line by line! Not many ppl are here who that.
Cheers! :)
Thanks for reading my replies line by line too... :) Plz let me know if I unintensionally hurt any of ur feelings, If I did then I sincerely apologize.

[hdsk.23]

"ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORIST,
BUT ALL TERRORIST ARE MUSLIMS"

[king007]

"ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORIST,
BUT ALL TERRORIST ARE MUSLIMS"

Who said bro? The Biggest Terrorist "Mr. Bush" is not a muslim!

Also read post #11(http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=312434&postcount=11) of this thread where I have posted "Facts and Only Facts" .

Do read it before making such statements!

[praka123]

the main thing is Hindus started understanding more about the destruction made by foreigners to this very ancient civilization fetching from Iran to Indonesia(Aarsha Bharath) mostly due to those parties like RSS,VHP etc going to remote areas and making ppl understand the amount of destruction made by these ppl.this makes an average hindu (hindus are most of them i believe are very moderate and coordial to others) getting anger on the past deeds of these foreigners;I mean Islam missionaries and warlords who came to conquer india.but even if hindus are calm and forgives these troubles,Moslems who are educated from madarssas remember them of the dark ages.i am not a Hindu.but believe me,Hindustan is a wonder which survived umpteen intrusion by Islamists and Others for the past 1000 years losing millions of precious lives.mind it any moslems for that matter be able to understand the following link:
http://www.howardbloom.net/militant_islam_timeline.htm
below will show some....light on "World Religion"origin:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/554692/posts

[deepak.krishnan]

Well this news is going to be purely fake!!! It is being reported that Laden has a team of leading doctors with him all the time and he wont die of a mere typhoid!

[mediator]

Thats what I said all Indians are bound by same laws. A Muslim Killer gets the same punishment as a Hindu killer or any other killer. There is no differentiation at all. Except a few exceptions as I said which exists for different religions.

Bro, These are the few exceptions I'm talking about because of which there is divide between Islam and other religions. These are the few exceptions because of which most people think Muslims are terrorist minded, want to have separate country all the time, cant exist peacefully with other religions and cant coexist with National laws!
India was divided as I said because of these laws only. India at that time had much great percentage of Muslim population who wanted separate State. Who knows if population of Indian Muslims rises, there can be another partition.
And these are not exceptions, these are sparking points of communal tensions.

Everybody wants population of India to decrease so as to reduce all population related problems like unemployment,poverty etc. For this family planning was thought of. Why did the muslims oppose this? Arent they interested in contributing,solving national problems?
Most muslim families have not less than 3 kids. These families arent able to feed their kids. And then go poor. Then they say govenrment is not doing enough for them. Who is responsible? Them or the governemnt? If they follow laws equally dont u think it will be good for everyone? No more communal tensions I mean and no more population explosions.

Also to maintain equality dont u think subjects such as "Muslim Quota", "Muslim Reservation", "Muslim Vote" shud be abolished??

Dont u think the gap and partiality is rising enough?? Dont u think Muslims are being selfish to have everything for their comfort i.e first the exceptional LAWS as u said , second RESERVATION FOR MUSLIMS , third asking their community members to elect a governement of their common choice so that it will do more good for MUSLIMS ALONE i.e MUSLIMS VOTE ?? And at the end most of them still say they are suffering in India to gain some more priviledges and gain sympathy!! Dont u think its tooo much??


Has the disintegration happened in 58 years of India's independence? These exceptions in laws are part of Indian constition. And like I said in previous posts having UCC does not mean unity..

I dont agree with this!
Will u keep saying this until disintegration has actually happened? Its similar to thing that is lost. most people dont realise the importance of thing until its lost. And then try to get it back when its lost.
Isnt the history witness that we were actually partitioned? How u know it wont happen again?
5-10 years after partition everyone was sad. No communal tensions were there. 10-20 years the differences again started to rise. Now we see communal tensions every year! How can u be sure partition wont happen? Cant u learn from the past and be convinced until the partition has actually taken place? Its a different matter tha most of us dont want a partition, but how many broadminded/educated people are there in the country? or as @yamaraj said how many REAL muslims are there in the country?


I completely agree with u, but in Muslims drinking is a big taboo and as I said there are black sheeps in every religion, so muslims who drink or do other forbidden activities are not muslims at all or muslims only by name.

How can u say they are not Muslims? They must be practising Islam more than u do! Every mother says not to drink or smoke. But if a child does so, is he no longer her kid?
Most Muslims say interacting with other religion members is alo UnIslamic! So for them u must be UnIslamic then! As I said these are no laws but ethics. If think in broader terms, they are only loosing their ethics by drinking and defaming their families!


An Example: Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijaab i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijaab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur’an rightly says that hijaab prevents women from being molested. And Burkha is to safeguard women and her modesty and in no way meant to degrade her. Women who do understand Islam will wear a Burkha even if her husband/parents stop her. Burkha is not a forced garment but a recommended garment.


There are only a few people who give comments about her, and these are the people who want to get fame by giving such comments or mediating in affairs where they are not even invited or required.

Nops, I disagree here again! If a sex hungry freak really wants to tease then he wont look for such things! Now let me rephrase ur example!
Suppose the burqa girl is walking in a lonely street full of sex hungry freaks. What will u think? SHe'll get out of there without any misery? Even a 3 month old child girl,a girl in saree or salwar kameez is raped these days so why will they care about Burqa?

And why arent there any dances and other happy thing in Muslim festivals except for feast? Dances,Living openly in the SUN during winters etc are some of things Women enjoy the most. Why is it most Muslim girls are so desparate to learn Bharat Natiyam? I'm not saying this, but I was surprised to see it on news channels some months ago. If u think I'm making stories then let me tell u I dont like to talk absurd and dont expect the same from opponent! Nobody must be reading and watching news like I do!


So u kill plants to eat them. Now u may say plants have less senses than animals so killing plants is ok compared to killing animals...

Neways u been talking and emphasising a lot on plants. I told u plants and animals are different categories and arent classified for no reasons!

So now let me tell u ......A living form is said to feel pain and suffering if it has a NERVOUS SYSTEM. Birds,animals,humans all have nervous systems. They can sense pain. On the other hand, Plants dont have NERVOUS SYSTEM. And yes they dont feel pain. This was not mine but a scientific definition.

( and this definition of plants having "no senses" is used in serials and cartoons to like "Flames of Recca". Watch it to get enlightened => Episode Number: 26, Animax, 8 pm,12 am or 10am :D )

If they wud have felt pain then
1. cud u explain me the concept of autumn, why leaves themselves shrink and then reappear during springs.
2. Cud u explain me why dont the plant die even when break a branch of it?
3. Even if we take out from roots, it doesnt shred for 1-2 days??

List is endless! I can fill the whole page on this! So dont say plants have senses! As I said classifications like herbivore and carnivore, plants and animals, arent made for no reason and I told u to think about this ! Neways I told u now....I hope u wont feel pity for plants anymore. But yea every thing has its own importance. Plants provode us O2. So next time before cutting a tree think again :) !

Some scientists say plants have life, others say plants dont have life. Some say it has life because it grows! Others say then NAILS,HAIR must be having life tooo as they can grow too after the person dies!
Neways vegetarian food also has POTATOES, CEREALS,BEANS and plenty of other things that dont have life at all !

I hope u got my point and i hope u wont argue to me or anybody now that plants are KILLED or HAVE SENSES after forwarding such a brief, to the point scientific lesson to u!

AND u shudnt talk about anything like plants on which ur ignorant! See I didnt talk about Sharia at all! Neways WHo told u plants have senses?? Muslim leaders/clerics??


If a person can survive without killing any living creature, I would be the first person to adopt such a way of life.

Now why did u say CREATURE urself???? Plants dont come under the category of CREATURE!! I hope u got my point. I told u to understand the difference between plants and animals and understand about their classifications. But u didnt!! This really lowers the spirit of a good,peaceful discussion.

I see u only brought "Plants" in the discussion to defend the slaughtering of goats though u were ignorant about plants!!

Yes a person can live without killing any living CREATURE by simply being a VEGETARIAN and eating beans,cereals,milk,potato........shud I make a list for u ????!!!!

SO ARE U READY TO ADOPT SUCH A WAY OF LIFE AND TELL OTHER MEMBERS OF UR COMMUNITY THE SAME???? U promised now, dont take a U-Turn from ur promise as it wud be UnIslamic :)!!



Suppose your brother is born deaf and dumb and has two senses less as compared to other human beings. He becomes mature and someone murders him. Would you ask the judge to give the murderer a lesser punishment because your brother has two senses less? In fact you would say that he has killed a masoom, an innocent person, and the judge should give the murderer a greater punishment.

Bro, Can u please elaborate on the relevance of this example here??? Having the ability to feel/sense is different from having the ability to see or hear!!!! Dont be so confused!! DO I need to enlighten a guy like u on such a simple thing??
First in ur first post u talk about about wars and terrorism in the same meaning!! NExt u show the same confusion here ???




I do question about things and do not believe in blind faith. I even reasearch to find an answer. Also I believe in Islam not because I am born muslim but because it coincides with Logic and Science. With no offence to any other religion I can never believe that a Idol made by a human being to be God, God is something unimaginable we cannot create a idol, a picture or anything of him. And in Islam I have to only believe that there is only 1 God who has power to all.

Religion in YOUR definition is an organization and a set of rules as u say. So in ur definition I'm not much religiously devoted and wud like to die if I had such a religion made of rules that u had to follow! I dont visit temples much. For me my parents are like GOD to me. Its because of them I exist and continue to exist not because of ALMIGHTY!
So I wud like to make an idol of them or embedd them/their picture in my heart. So u see there is nothing wrong in idol worship. The one who u worship, u shud actually have a picture of him/her in u heart!


The basic difference between Islam and Hinduism which I believe is of apostrophe S ('s). Hindus say Fire is God, sun is God, Moon is God etc etc and Muslims say everything is of God's.

Who told u Hindus think like that??? Stupid serials??? U said Media is stupid to potray Muslims as terrorist! Then let me say Media is stupid for this tooo!
Islam is just some 1000-2000 yrs old religion (The prophet Muhammad (circa 570-632 A.D.) introduced Islam in 610 A.D.). But do u know, Hinduism is ALMOST as old as Earth?? U may laugh on this, as most do! U may say how ALMOST old as earth? But this is what he fact is. Hinduism is the oldest religion on the earth.( For me religion is not an organization but a form of spirituality based on facts ). And as time passes by, facts are twisted as u know! If ur grandfather says a secret like "Some sheep give wool" ( i know this is wierd exampl) and asks the coming generations to hide this fact in their minds, then ur great reat great......great grandson might get this fact twisted as "ALL sheep give wool". I hope u got my point.
So as generations passed by facts about Hinduism have twisted! So I only believe only in Epics,Mahabharat,GITA and the VEDAS!! As they are the only thing that are real now.
There may already be sme twisting in ISLAM already who knows!

To tell u Hinduism is all about 3 Gods : Brahma(the creator), Vishnu(the preserver) and the Shiva (the destructor).
Some think whatever is happening in the world is just a dream seen by Vishnu! If anything wrong happens he takes avatars!
GITA says there are 10 avatars of Lord Vishnu!
http://members.tripod.com/~srinivasp/mythology/avatars.html
Read this thoroughly!
It is said that everything that has an origin has an end also (It is also said that MAtrix was based on Concept of Hinduism). The earth timeline is categorised into yugs. There are 4 total yugs each one of some lakhs years. Nobody has been able to understand this mystery yet. Some scientists argue that a yug must be more than that. Some say Earths rortation must be faster at that time. Thats why so many years must have elapsed!

Believe me so fire gods and whateva u say are just twists! The real things I explained u above! And if u dont believe into anything blindly then u shud be aware of origin of ur religion, u shud have facts to prove that prophet actually had an angelic visitation etc!
For hinduism we have all facts scientifically explained! For mahabharat and exist of Pandavas there are temples dating back to 1000 yrs ago in uttaranchal, in high mountains of himalayas! For Ramayan, we have the path created of stones connecting SriLanka and India. During recent Tsunamis many statues dating back to 1000 yrs were found waved in by the Tsunami waves! In all cases carbon dating and other scientific methods,process was applied to prove that they were really old. One more thing, GITA says the last avatar of Vishnu i.e Kalki will appear during the end of Kalyug. And according to GITA and modern science this is the Kalyug where the violence will be at its peak!!!
Do u have the same scientific explanations and facts for Islam??

We still have a few Vedas with us, which explains the cure of diabetes and all other diseases of which cure still hasnt be found in modern medical field!!!! U see american scientists were baffled and still are when they acknowledge such things from Hinduism! AND now the westerners psychos who thought themselves as the smartest and greatest are now actually researching on these Vedic techniques. So u see Vedic techniques,Yoga etc existed long before any other religion came on earth and much long before Modern Science even started!!

So I request u to stop talking about the differences between Hinduism and Islam as I can write pages endlessly on this!




The difference is that Tantriks believe that God requires meat and Blood to accept their prayers and Qur’ân clearly states that unlike some other religions who believe that Almighty God requires meat and blood, in Islam when we sacrifice an animal neither the blood nor the meat reaches God but it is our piety, intentions, and righteousness while sacrificing that is taken into consideration.
That is the reason when a sacrifice of an animal is made during Eedul-Duha (Bakri-Eed) 1/3rd portion of the animal has to be given in charity to the poor people1/3rd has to be distributed amongst relatives and friends. A maximum of 1/3rd portion may be kept for the personal household consumption.
No portion of the animal's flesh or blood is kept separately for Almighty God, because he does not require it. Thus We dont slaughter a Goat and offer Meat and Blood to God to please him.

Yes here I agree, u think right about tantriks. U said u werent blindly follwing ur religion. But then arent u blindly following ur religion now?? Why do u need to kill goat?? Just for religion??
Religions are started after the WISE preachings of someone. That someone doest tells us to slaughter animals like goats or celebrate by burning crackers in his WISE preachings! Its only us who do so! DId prophet told to kill goat?? So how will u term this now except for BLIND FAITH ?? If this is not following ur religion blindly then what is it??


Exactly it does not bring happiness but what is lawful to be eaten can be eaten and should be eaten....
If every human being was a vegetarian, it would lead to overpopulation of cattle in the world, since their reproduction and multiplication is very swift. God in His Divine Wisdom knows how to maintain the balance of His creation appropriately. No wonder He has permitted us to have the meat of the cattle.

Overpopulation of cattle?? So u started eating it?? What about DOGS and PIGS and CROWS?? They are also getting overly populated. Their multiplication is also very swift. GOD has also provided u with flesh of DOGS and PIGS. U'll find dogs every next street! So shudnt u be EATING them on this concept of urs ????
If u believe in this CONCEPT of urs blindly then shudn't u soon also be starting to eat the social animal i.e MAN and if u classify further on basis religion then a MUSLIM MAN (as they multiply more than any other religion and most have families not less than 3 kids)????

Dont get me wrong! But will u stop for a moment and stop thinking like "God in his divine wisdom or whateva". If u think God wants a balance then why dont u eat PIGS too and DOGS too? Do u want to deplete the earth of one specific animal category i.e cattle and disrupt the balance that the GOD in WISDOM wants?? In ur language I say "GOD has Given us the most important thing i.e the BRAINS to think whats wrong and right and made us the dominant species on earth" and "GOD wants u to use that brains to think harder and stop following what other say"!!!!



Thanks for reading my replies line by line too... Plz let me know if I unintensionally hurt any of ur feelings, If I did then I sincerely apologize.

Oh well! Guess our last lines are always the same! Do apologise me too If I hurt any of ur feelings !!! Thanx for reading and quoting my lines line by line. Lets continue this debate!! :)

CHeers!

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Bro, These are the few exceptions I'm talking about because of which there is divide between Islam and other religions. These are the few exceptions because of which most people think Muslims are terrorist minded, want to have separate country all the time, cant exist peacefully with other religions and cant coexist with National laws!
India was divided as I said because of these laws only. India at that time had much great percentage of Muslim population who wanted separate State. Who knows if population of Indian Muslims rises, there can be another partition. And these are not exceptions, these are sparking points of communal tensions. Communal tension because of different Personal Laws, when did that take place. People dont get time to go out of Mandir-Masjid issue so when was a communal tension because of a different personal law.
India is Secular And Democratic
In any country, the Personal Law may differ for different groups of people and for different communities. Since India is a secular and democratic country it allows different groups of people to follow their own personal law if they wish.
Criminal Law
Criminal law is that law which is associated with a crime or an act which directly affects the society e.g. robbing, raping, murdering, etc.
The Criminal Law should be the same for all people
In any country, the criminal law unlike the Personal Law cannot be different for different groups of people. It has to be same for all people of different groups and different religions e.g. In Islam if a person robs, his hands are chopped off. This punishment is not prescribed in Hinduism. If a Hindu robs a Muslim, what would be the robber’s punishment? The Muslim would want the hands of the robber to be chopped, while the Hindu Law would not agree. So let the Criminal Law which affects the society be same and it is same and Personal Law be Personal. Anyways dude, u saying implement UCC will not implement UCC and me not approving UCC cannot stop UCC. So why are we debating on this. Only thing I want to add is, the Partition of India was not because of Personal Laws but because of the Divide and Rule Policy which the Britishers used to Rule over India and still our Politicians use the same policy during elections. As a common Indian like u and me we have better things in Life to look after than fight with regards to religion. As the Qur'an says "Call people in the way of Allah and show them the right path in the most righteous way but if they dont accept ur call tell them You do not worship what I worship and I will not worship what you worship so dont force me to worship what you worship and I will not force you to worship what I worship, for You have your Faith and I have mine"
Everybody wants population of India to decrease so as to reduce all population related problems like unemployment,poverty etc. For this family planning was thought of. Why did the muslims oppose this? Arent they interested in contributing,solving national problems? Majority of muslims did not oppose it and will support such movements of National Interest. The small faction which might have opposed it are the people who are presented as the face of the muslim community but in reality they are only a fraction of people.
Most muslim families have not less than 3 kids. These families arent able to feed their kids. And then go poor. Then they say govenrment is not doing enough for them. Who is responsible? Them or the governemnt? You cannot point out fingers and say only muslims have 3 or more children. Maybe because Muslims are in minority they get noticed for such things or maybe people make such things noticable. I will only give u one example of a Hindu having more than 3 children, Mr. Lalu Prasad Yadav, he has 9 children. Population explosion cannot be blamed on one community, we all are equally responsible for it.
If they follow laws equally dont u think it will be good for everyone? No more communal tensions I mean and no more population explosions.As I said earlier Communal tensions have nothing to do with Personal Law, Personal Law is only for a particular community and it does not affect society on a whole...
Also to maintain equality dont u think subjects such as "Muslim Quota", "Muslim Reservation", "Muslim Vote" shud be abolished?? Where did u hear something called as "Muslim Quota/Muslim Reservation"??? I believe in free India there should not be any reservations except financial reservation for poor people who cannot afford good quality education. All admissions to all institutions should be purely on Merit and if a candidate after getting selected cannot afford it, he should be fully supported financially....
Dont u think the gap and partiality is rising enough?? Dont u think Muslims are being selfish to have everything for their comfort i.e first the exceptional LAWS as u said , second RESERVATION FOR MUSLIMS , third asking their community members to elect a governement of their common choice so that it will do more good for MUSLIMS ALONE i.e MUSLIMS VOTE ?? And at the end most of them still say they are suffering in India to gain some more priviledges and gain sympathy!! Dont u think its tooo much??Sorry, I dont believe what u said? I as a muslim do not feel I am suffering in India as a muslim, I get equal opportunities everywhere where I am eligible except in few sections where Hinduist think all Muslims are Pakistanis and they should not be living in India. And I dont complain about it because I know these people (whether Hindu or Muslim) have no other work then just fight in the name of religion.
I dont agree with this!
Will u keep saying this until disintegration has actually happened? Its similar to thing that is lost. most people dont realise the importance of thing until its lost. And then try to get it back when its lost.
Isnt the history witness that we were actually partitioned? How u know it wont happen again?
5-10 years after partition everyone was sad. No communal tensions were there. 10-20 years the differences again started to rise. Now we see communal tensions every year! How can u be sure partition wont happen? Cant u learn from the past and be convinced until the partition has actually taken place? Its a different matter tha most of us dont want a partition, but how many broadminded/educated people are there in the country? or as @yamaraj said how many REAL muslims are there in the country? Sir, Disintegration can happen anywhere in any country. Biggest example is Pakistan though had one religion got divided and Bangladesh was formed. So Disintegration cannot be predicted or planned. And belive me everyone is just fed up of communal violence and hatred. Example is after 93 mumbai blasts there were riots and see 2006, after mumbai train blasts all Indians stood united, helped each other, irrespective of the religion. If u were in Mumbai (I dont know where u are from) u would have noticed the kind of oneness both the communities exhibited giving a strong reply to Terrorists u cannot divide us now, United we stand and we will stay United now...
How can u say they are not Muslims? They must be practising Islam more than u do! Every mother says not to drink or smoke. But if a child does so, is he no longer her kid? They are muslims only on the Birth Certificate, if they practiced Islam and even if they have slightest of Knowledge about Islam they would not even thought of Drinking, or indulging in adultery (illegal sex) are the biggest sins as per Islamic Laws.
Most Muslims say interacting with other religion members is alo UnIslamic! So for them u must be UnIslamic then! That's Crap, whoever said this to u must be an uneducated roadside fool. All human beings are created by God, u have ur faith and I have mine, I give respect to expect respect from others.
Even a 3 month old child girl,a girl in saree or salwar kameez is raped these days so why will they care about Burqa? Thats a Insane thing, I would suggest Capital Punishment (as suggested by Islamic Laws also) to any Rapist. I do not agree to it, I just said compared to girl wearing burkha and girl wearing western outfits, western outfits are more vulnerable. If u argue on this then there are insane people who even sex with their own sister/mother. I just mean Burkha is safer but obviously nothing is 100% safe.
And why arent there any dances and other happy thing in Muslim festivals except for feast? Islam is a religion which believes in simplicity. Music, dancing etc is prohibited according to Islam. What u consider as Happy thing may not be as Happy as u think...
Dances,Living openly in the SUN during winters etc are some of things Women enjoy the most. Intermingling of sexes is Strictly Prohibited in Islam and more often than not leads to adultery. Just for example in Navratri festival how many girls/guys start an short term affair, how many girls lose their virginity, how many extra marital affairs start. Not everything that seems nice is always nice. That does not mean Muslim women do not enjoy Life, they do but there are certain boundaries which all practicing muslim women gracefully except...
Why is it most Muslim girls are so desparate to learn Bharat Natiyam? I'm not saying this, but I was surprised to see it on news channels some months ago. If u think I'm making stories then let me tell u I dont like to talk absurd and dont expect the same from opponent! Nobody must be reading and watching news like I do! Never heard that news buddy even though I keep myself updated with all latest news...
Neways u been talking and emphasising a lot on plants. I told u plants and animals are different categories and arent classified for no reasons!So now let me tell u ......A living form is said to feel pain and suffering if it has a NERVOUS SYSTEM. Birds,animals,humans all have nervous systems. They can sense pain. On the other hand, Plants dont have NERVOUS SYSTEM. And yes they dont feel pain. This was not mine but a scientific definition.
Science tells us that even plants can feel pain. But the cry of the plant cannot be heard by the human being. This is due to the inability of the human ear to hear sounds that are not in the audible range i.e. 20 Hertz to 20,000 Hertz. Anything below and above this range cannot be heard by a human being. A dog can hear up to 40,000 Hertz. Thus there are silent dog whistles that have a frequency of more than 20,000 Hertz and less than 40,000 Hertz. These whistles are only heard by dogs and not by human beings. The dog recognizes the masters whistle and comes to the master. There was research done by a farmer in U.S.A. who invented an instrument which converted the cry of the plant so that it could be heard by human beings. He was able to realize immediately when the plant itself cried for water. Latest researches show that the plants can even feel happy and sad. It can also cry. Do goodle and u will find many such sites which Prove that plants do feel painhttp://www.department13designs.com/vegan.html
http://www.uncoveror.com/plants.htm
If they wud have felt pain then
1. cud u explain me the concept of autumn, why leaves themselves shrink and then reappear during springs. Even Snakes shed its skin does it mean it does not have life?2. Cud u explain me why dont the plant die even when break a branch of it? In the same way as human has to cut his one hand or leg, he too does not die....
List is endless! I can fill the whole page on this! So dont say plants have senses! You can fill up pages saying Plants do not have senses or feel pain and I can just give u scientific facts proving that Plants do feel pain and have senses. Neways I told u now....I hope u wont feel pity for plants anymore. But yea every thing has its own importance. Plants provode us O2. So next time before cutting a tree think again :) ! I dont cut trees... :)
Others say then NAILS,HAIR must be having life tooo as they can grow too after the person dies! Never heard such things, did some research and got some knowledge that Nails and Hair do not grow after the person dies... http://www.snopes.com/science/nailgrow.asp
AND u shudnt talk about anything like plants on which ur ignorant! See I didnt talk about Sharia at all! Neways WHo told u plants have senses?? Muslim leaders/clerics?? Science bro, established science!
Now why did u say CREATURE urself???? Plants dont come under the category of CREATURE!! I hope u got my point. I told u to understand the difference between plants and animals and understand about their classifications. But u didnt!! This really lowers the spirit of a good,peaceful discussion. Dont lose patience buddy just because we dont agree to a point. I am trying to prove things scientifically to you and not religiously....
I see u only brought "Plants" in the discussion to defend the slaughtering of goats though u were ignorant about plants!! I am not defending anything here just trying to prove you that if killing animals is sin so is plants.
SO ARE U READY TO ADOPT SUCH A WAY OF LIFE AND TELL OTHER MEMBERS OF UR COMMUNITY THE SAME???? U promised now, dont take a U-Turn from ur promise as it wud be UnIslamic :)!!
To do what? Tell everyone that dont kill animals lets kill plants because they have less senses. Where did I used the word "PROMISE"?
Who told u Hindus think like that??? Stupid serials??? U said Media is stupid to potray Muslims as terrorist! Then let me say Media is stupid for this tooo!
Islam is just some 1000-2000 yrs old religion (The prophet Muhammad (circa 570-632 A.D.) introduced Islam in 610 A.D.). But do u know, Hinduism is ALMOST as old as Earth?? U may laugh on this, as most do! U may say how ALMOST old as earth? But this is what he fact is. Hinduism is the oldest religion on the earth.
1. Islam is the oldest religion
Hinduism is not the oldest of all the religions. It is Islam which is the first and the oldest of all religions. People have a misconception that Islam is 1400 years old and that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the founder of this religion. Islam existed since time immemorial, ever since man first set foot on this earth. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was not the founder of Islam. He was the last and final Messenger of Almighty God.
2. The oldest religion need not be the purest and the most authentic religion
A religion cannot be claimed to be most pure and authentic, only on the criterion that it is the oldest. It is similar to a person saying that the water he has kept in an open glass, in his house, outside the refrigerator, for three months is purer than the water which has just been collected in a clean glass, immediately after it has been purified.
3. The latest religion need not be the purest and the most authentic religion
On the other hand a religion cannot be claimed to be the purest or authentic, only on the criterion that the religion is new or the latest. A bottle of distilled water which is sealed, packed and kept in the refrigerator for three months is much purer than a bottle of water freshly collected from the sea.
4. For religion to be pure and authentic, it should not have interpolations, changes and revisions in its scriptures revealed from God
For any religion to be pure and authentic, its scriptures should not contain any interpolation, addition, deletion or revision. Moreover the religion’s source of inspiration and direction should be Almighty God. The Qur’an is the only religious scripture on the face of the earth which has been maintained it its original form. All the other religious scriptures, of all the other religions have interpolations, additions, deletions or revisions. The Qur’an has been in the memory of a multitude of people, intact in its original form ever since its revelation, and now there are hundreds of thousands of people who have preserved it in their memory. Moreover, if you compare the copies made by Caliph Uthman from the original Qur’an which is yet present in the museum in Tashkent and in Koptaki museum in Turkey, they are the same as the ones we possess today.
5. The oldest religion need not be best religion
A religion cannot be claimed to be the best religion only on the criterion that it is the oldest. It is similar to a person saying, that my 19th century car is better than a Toyota car manufactured in 1998, because it is older. He would be considered to be a fool to say that his 19th century car which required a rod to be turned in circles to start it, is better than a key-start 1998 Toyota car, just because it is older.
6. The latest religion need not be the best religion
On the other hand a religion cannot be called as the best religion only on the criterion that the religion is new or that it came later. It is similar to a person who says that my 800 cc Suzuki car manufactured in 1999 is better than a 5000 cc Mercedes 500 SEL manufactured in 1997. To judge which car is better, a person should compare the specifications of the car e.g. the power of the car, safety measures, the capacity of the cylinders, the pickup, the speed, the comfort, etc. 5000 cc Mercedes, 500 SEL car manufactured in 1997, is far superior and better than a 800 cc Suzuki (Maruti Suzuki 800) manufactured in 1999.
Not trying to offend you bro but what is old need not always be the right or best and same thing applies for new things. We should think logically and Scientifically on this and not with emotions.....
So as generations passed by facts about Hinduism have twisted! So I only believe only in Epics,Mahabharat,GITA and the VEDAS!! As they are the only thing that are real now.
There may already be sme twisting in ISLAM already who knows! Thats what I said above^^^
To tell u Hinduism is all about 3 Gods : Brahma(the creator), Vishnu(the preserver) and the Shiva (the destructor). I am sorry if I am offensive or hurting in answering this one...
3 Gods: Why three God's does that mean each of the God's have some deficiency, i.e Brahma (the creator) cannot preserve what he created or destroy it himself or Vishnu(the preserver) cannot create or destroy anything or Shiva (the destructor) cannot create or preserve but only destroy??? Thats the reason I believe strongly in Islam because Islam believes in only 1 God, he is the creator of the heavens and the earth, he is the preserver and he alone can destroy it.... Till now I thought and had heard there are thousands of God in Hinduism and Hindus themselves dont know what to worship and what not to worship, You brought the number down to 3....!
Believe me so fire gods and whateva u say are just twists! The real things I explained u above! And if u dont believe into anything blindly then u shud be aware of origin of ur religion, u shud have facts to prove that prophet actually had an angelic visitation etc! Yes I am aware of origin of my religion.
One more thing, GITA says the last avatar of Vishnu i.e Kalki will appear during the end of Kalyug. And according to GITA and modern science this is the Kalyug where the violence will be at its peak!!!
I suggest you to read this, as it will be too long to put it here:
http://www.islamawareness.net/Hinduism/ZakirNaik/part6.html
Do u have the same scientific explanations and facts for Islam?? Bro there are hundreds of it, Visit this link if u would like to know more about it, where SCIENTISTS talk about facts in Qur'an:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Science/scientists.html
So I request u to stop talking about the differences between Hinduism and Islam as I can write pages endlessly on this!I am not talking about differences bro but only answering you....
Overpopulation of cattle?? So u started eating it?? What about DOGS and PIGS and CROWS?? They are also getting overly populated. Their multiplication is also very swift. GOD has also provided u with flesh of DOGS and PIGS. U'll find dogs every next street! So shudnt u be EATING them on this concept of urs ????
There are animals which are allowed to be eaten and animals other than what is allowed is strictly forbidden to be eaten. All the animals which are allowed to be eaten feed on plants i.e they do not consume meat or blood and there are other conditions to it as well. All the animals what u mentioned have blood and flesh and are forbidden to be consumed by human beings.
If u believe in this CONCEPT of urs blindly then shudn't u soon also be starting to eat the social animal i.e MAN and if u classify further on basis religion then a MUSLIM MAN (as they multiply more than any other religion and most have families not less than 3 kids)???? First of all u are getting offensive brother... Second as I said above there are animals which are allowed to be eaten and others that are forbidden to be eaten.
In ur language I say "GOD has Given us the most important thing i.e the BRAINS to think whats wrong and right and made us the dominant species on earth" and "GOD wants u to use that brains to think harder and stop following what other say"!!!! I agree with u, I do not follow what others say but believe in facts and surely use my brain...
Oh well! Guess our last lines are always the same! Do apologise me too If I hurt any of ur feelings !!! Thanx for reading and quoting my lines line by line. Lets continue this debate!! :)
CHeers!

Same line again, be patient as I read ur last post in ur last lines u were losing it slowly. Thanks for reading and I sincerely apologize if I was offensive or hurting... :)

[ketanbodas]

Bull I think he is alive and kicking ass

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Communal tension because of different Personal Laws, when did that take place. People dont get time to go out of Mandir-Masjid issue so when was a communal tension because of a different personal law.

Dont u read TV news and reports from news papers? If u did u wudnt such question! To give an example there's been a lotta reports where a hindu girl married a muslim boy. The muslim boy insured her that nobody will make her wear burqa. But after the marriage did so and forced her to wear burqa. But she didnt agree to wear burqa etc. What next? The girl phical misery was unexplainable and then there were clashes between hindu and muslim groups on this!! Need more examples??

Neways arent there laws in Islam
1. that prohibit the person to make nude pictures of Hindu goddesses like MI HUSSAIN did?
2. that prohobit the muslims to sell pictures of Hindu Goddesses like in breaking news showed by Several TV channels in which foriegners were found and telling that they bought the pictures of Hindu gods and goddesses from Jama Masjid Area and many other Muslim dominated areas
3. That prohibit the Muslims to marry hindu girls and stay outta misery of wearing burqa? And what if the muslim boy marries the hindu girl? Will u call him unislamic again?? Then dont u think fardeen khan(married to Natasha), shahrukh khan(married to a punjaban), saif ali khan(married to amrita singh) etc all UnIslamic??
4. That seek forgiveness so that Pope cud be forgived even when he apologised twice?




India is Secular And Democratic
In any country, the Personal Law may differ for different groups of people and for different communities. Since India is a secular and democratic country it allows different groups of people to follow their own personal law if they wish.

My friend India is not the same as it used be 50 yrs ago!! Do u know what is democracy and secularism?
Democracy is equal right to vote on one's own outlook not by following any religion and or anything else! Then why do u have concept of MUSLIM VOTE?? If u dont know about it, then may be its the time u shud desparately learn about it!!
As for secularism, forget it! India is no more secular. India being a secualr is laughable concept now where politics and religion have been mixed so deeply that its difficult to distinguish now.

So just dont go by the definition of google alone bro, take the picture from real life tooo! ANd question whether its really secular??
And what do mean by "it allows different groups of people to follow their own personal law if they wish." Till now I have only heard of Muslims having their own laws and no other religion I have heard of such laws! Why only Muslims??



Criminal Law
Criminal law is that law which is associated with a crime or an act which directly affects the society e.g. robbing, raping, murdering, etc.
The Criminal Law should be the same for all people
In any country, the criminal law unlike the Personal Law cannot be different for different groups of people. It has to be same for all people of different groups and different religions e.g. In Islam if a person robs, his hands are chopped off. This punishment is not prescribed in Hinduism. If a Hindu robs a Muslim, what would be the robber’s punishment? The Muslim would want the hands of the robber to be chopped, while the Hindu Law would not agree. So let the Criminal Law which affects the society be same and it is same and Personal Law be Personal. Anyways dude, u saying implement UCC will not implement UCC and me not approving UCC cannot stop UCC. So why are we debating on this. Only thing I want to add is, the Partition of India was not because of Personal Laws but because of the Divide and Rule Policy which the Britishers used to Rule over India and still our Politicians use the same policy during elections. As a common Indian like u and me we have better things in Life to look after than fight with regards to religion. As the Qur'an says "Call people in the way of Allah and show them the right path in the most righteous way but if they dont accept ur call tell them You do not worship what I worship and I will not worship what you worship so dont force me to worship what you worship and I will not force you to worship what I worship, for You have your Faith and I have mine"

U google a lot! U must be the first one who must be googling that intesivley to prove ur word. Neways U google but still u havent found out the truth??
Partition was not because of Divide and rule policy alone. Why do u blame Britishers alone?? It was Jinnah who motivated muslims and asked for a piece of land now so called Pakistan! Hindus never supported such thing. Are muslims so easily motivatable that they'll believe to any crap they hear??
Neways why do u keep saying personal laws dude?? Other religions dont have any personal laws! If u wanna say then isolate the Muslim laws and dont mix them with other religions. So say Muslim personal laws which I surely think is absurd!


Majority of muslims did not oppose it and will support such movements of National Interest. The small faction which might have opposed it are the people who are presented as the face of the muslim community but in reality they are only a fraction of people.

ANd who elected or selected these "small faction" of people from Islamic world?? Why dont other muslims oppose them? On one hand u say No muslim believes blindly. So now if they are not following these "small faction" of leaders, then why arent they opposing them openly?? And let me tell u this small faction of people include "Shahi Imam of jama masjid" i.e Bukari too and most of the other major Imams! Why dont muslims oppose them??


You cannot point out fingers and say only muslims have 3 or more children. Maybe because Muslims are in minority they get noticed for such things or maybe people make such things noticable. I will only give u one example of a Hindu having more than 3 children, Mr. Lalu Prasad Yadav, he has 9 children. Population explosion cannot be blamed on one community, we all are equally responsible for it.

Bingo I was expecting this Laloo statement. Like u said there are blacksheep in every religion, u can say same here! And so forget about laloo. He's made fun of extensively by Hindus alone! And I'm not pointing out fingers but stating out the facts that come on Tv news channels and newspapers! But u see I didnt say all muslim families, I said most muslim families. Likewise in most hindu families u will only find not more than 2 kids per family.
And not only news. Muslims having not less than 3 kids is observed by me in reality too! I have many muslim friends. But when I ask them how many brothers and sisters u have in total in ur family? None them replies with a positive integer less than 4.


As I said earlier Communal tensions have nothing to do with Personal Law, Personal Law is only for a particular community and it does not affect society on a whole...

Wrong I told u above the same! If a community has personal laws(Muslim community) then communal tensions wont take place if that community is isolated! The moment the community gets mixed up with other communities the differences will spark up and then we have comunal tensions!



Where did u hear something called as "Muslim Quota/Muslim Reservation"??? I believe in free India there should not be any reservations except financial reservation for poor people who cannot afford good quality education. All admissions to all institutions should be purely on Merit and if a candidate after getting selected cannot afford it, he should be fully supported financially....

On contrary, It is I who will be surprised if u havent heard about it! Heard of ALIGARH MUSLIM UNIVERSITY??? It has a whopping 50% Musim reservation! AND following its footsteps "JAMIA MILIA ISLAMIA" wants 50% MUSLIM reservation too and the reason they give?? => "To uphold the status of minorities"!
And what u believe, u shud tell that to the heads of that university and the various IMAMS and I'll be surprised if u can tell them that or they'll listen to u.


Sorry, I dont believe what u said? I as a muslim do not feel I am suffering in India as a muslim, I get equal opportunities everywhere where I am eligible except in few sections where Hinduist think all Muslims are Pakistanis and they should not be living in India. And I dont complain about it because I know these people (whether Hindu or Muslim) have no other work then just fight in the name of religion.

Again I say what u feel is what u shud tel to the heads of these institutes and the various Imams! And according to ur last line here then the Shahi imam and the heads of these institutes must be communal?? Isnt it?


Sir, Disintegration can happen anywhere in any country. Biggest example is Pakistan though had one religion got divided and Bangladesh was formed. So Disintegration cannot be predicted or planned. And belive me everyone is just fed up of communal violence and hatred. Example is after 93 mumbai blasts there were riots and see 2006, after mumbai train blasts all Indians stood united, helped each other, irrespective of the religion. If u were in Mumbai (I dont know where u are from) u would have noticed the kind of oneness both the communities exhibited giving a strong reply to Terrorists u cannot divide us now, United we stand and we will stay United now...

My friend Disintegration as u said can happen more than 1 reason! like economic instability, regious differences etc! If u know the history well u'll see Pakistan was not divided by itself to Bangladesh and Pakistan and now Pakistan wanna take revenge for the same and destabilise India!
I know nobody in India will allow another partition to take place! But that doesnt mean we shud allow religious differences like personal laws for muslims to sprout all the time! Like u said United we stand, u shud apply the same in laws to!
Why do u fear so much to drop down ur personal muslim laws for the sake of masses?? I told u before too that all other religions think of muslims as terrorist minded, narrow minded etc because of these laws only.

U have Muslim-Hindu riots each year, muslim-Christian riots where christaian are in majority. Media covers jains and buddhists etc in the same meaning as hinduism as they fight on the same side of hinduism and dont have any differences! So u may call that indirectly Muslim-jain, muslim-buddhist war tooo!
So why Muslims have fights and differences with all religions?? If its not for the personal laws then can u elaborate what is it?? Why is there so much mess wherever muslims coexist with other religions!

I agree about the Mumbai Blasts! And I hope such unity is shown in future too! But then again what about Malegaon blasts???? 30 Muslims dead, convict an Let commander! And then what the muslims say there?? I'm sure u must be reading and watching LIVE news too ??
A Muslim girl said "Whenever some blasts takes place a Muslim is convicted. Now we have blasts here in a Masjid. Now who the culprit?" and pointing the fingers directly too Hindus even though the culprit nabbed was a Let commander!! Who filled such crap in the mind of that young Muslim girl?? If not that "Small section" of muslim society i.e muslim leaders, then who else??


They are muslims only on the Birth Certificate, if they practiced Islam and even if they have slightest of Knowledge about Islam they would not even thought of Drinking, or indulging in adultery (illegal sex) are the biggest sins as per Islamic Laws.

Then may be u shud tell those muslims that! That it is unislamic to tease Hindu girls, drink , marry hindu girl, voting commonly to elect a government, asking for rights selfishly etc, doing violence etc! Then according to u the whole Pakistan must be UnIslamic as terrosim is their main industry, sex scandals are rising there, use of drugs is also rising??


That's Crap, whoever said this to u must be an uneducated roadside fool. All human beings are created by God, u have ur faith and I have mine, I give respect to expect respect from others.

Well its not whoever told me, its what I have learnt by watching TV debates and interaction with hardcore muslims! Maybe u shud interact at mass level with the members of ur community and tell them what u think!


Thats a Insane thing, I would suggest Capital Punishment (as suggested by Islamic Laws also) to any Rapist. I do not agree to it, I just said compared to girl wearing burkha and girl wearing western outfits, western outfits are more vulnerable. If u argue on this then there are insane people who even sex with their own sister/mother. I just mean Burkha is safer but obviously nothing is 100% safe.

And I told u not to compare the Indian culture to western things!! I agree about the capital punishement! But u cud also have compared "A Muslim girl wearing a Burqa and a South Indian lady wearing a saree"! Now tell if the sex hungry freaks wud make any distinctions! Atleast they wud take the mask of the burqa girl dont u think?? So what u think now??


Islam is a religion which believes in simplicity. Music, dancing etc is prohibited according to Islam. What u consider as Happy thing may not be as Happy as u think...

And u blindly follow Islam?? Then it means u must not be enjoying properly ur life to the fullest! Why aren't muslims allowed to live their life properly?? Why just because Islam said so?? If this isnt blind belief that what is it?? Why Music,dances are prohibited according to Islam?? Did prophet said so in his teachings that others blindly followed it?

Please Tell me any piece of WISDOM contained in this teaching!! Music is considered an art. Its even used to cure people! Why muslim are prohibited of such art?? Then according to u .....people like Pakistani band Jal, President Abdul Kalam, AR rahman, Strings and many more must be UnIslamic?? And because of dances and music again celebs like SRK,fardeen khan,Saif ali khan,salman khan must be unislamic??

Music and dancing are also part of simplicity. The why is such partiality in Islam??


Intermingling of sexes is Strictly Prohibited in Islam and more often than not leads to adultery. Just for example in Navratri festival how many girls/guys start an short term affair, how many girls lose their virginity, how many extra marital affairs start. Not everything that seems nice is always nice. That does