what should be india's national language?

[uttoransen]

what should be india's national language?

it should be english, no indian language should be given preference.

hindi, as over 15% of indian people want hindi as national language, and that is majority,as it's arround 9% for bengali, the same is for tamil and all.

or there should be no national language.


will you prefer national language as, marathi, gujrati, orrisaa, bengla, tamil,
i mean your own mother tungue you will prefer.


let's see what you think about it.

[~Phenom~]

Hindi is and should remain our national language.

[QwertyManiac]

Yep Hindi it is and will ever be, English is the trade language and no country EVER forgets its national language no matter how much you force other languages down thier throats...

I prefer English as that'll get me somewhere but Hindi as a language is your culture and you must preserve it.

[Apollo]

Hindi is our national language. I suggest we all stick and learn to live with it.

After that, comes Mai Marathi. In my book. ;)

Jai Hind! Jai Maharashtra! :D

[led_shankar]

I beg to differ. Hindi is not the national language, just because a majority of people speak it. There are many many many languages in India; We cannot ignore any of them. There have been major riots due to this issue. People take pride in their regional languages, and we cannot afford to alienate them by imposing our language upon them.

[Apollo]

No one's imposing Hindi on anyone. No one can and should ignore their respective mother tongues/regional languages. We should all take pride in it!

I'm a Maharashtrian, Mr. X is from some other ethnic background. We'll be like primates if we didn't have a Common Speech to communicate linguistically. It's just that Hindi happens to have been around since god-knows-how-long, and the closest to being an efficient and successful mode of Common Speech devised by ourselves and not imposed by a foreign agent.

[uttoransen]

english is leading, 3:2 good.

[praka123]

English for the sake of ppl who dont know/dont want to learn Hindi apart from north there r ppl like in TamilNaad who dont even get one word in Hindusthaani properly.SO ENGLISH.

[nikku12982]

Actually u don't want to learn hindi..It our national language and we should proud of it....

[praka123]

hame to hindi aata hai...lekin India mein baaki jo log jo dakkin mein hei usko tho badi mushkil hoga hindi padna...its upto the ppl whether u want 2 learn or not.also come 2 down south tamilnaad and check ur hindi---Is someone get yor/our Raashtr Bhaasha eh?...:mad: try to think BIG rather than confined 2 Northisthan only.there are ppl in south also whom u ppl purposely forgot.also Tamil is a very diffrnt LANG with lesser sanskrit content compared to all other languages and they are proud of it.only few kannadigas/Konkanasthas here in south will be interested in Hindi,so no pain better understand than arguing yor part:)

[freakanomics]

English shud be the national language....

[jithudigitised]

ya there are lots of people thinking hindi is only for norths.
actually language is used for communication.so for two people to communicate whatever language they commonly know and comfortable with, use that, that may be hindi, english or even malayalam.
love your own mother tongue man and love india

[arunks]

hey shut off this thread...who r u to challenge our national language....

we alll pride our india

[uttoransen]

now hindi is leading 12:10

[aakash_mishra]

Hey guys

Why are we fighting over our National Language????

We should be proud that it Hindi (derived from Sanskrit) is best suited for digital circuits.

So I think Hindi is the best.

In India many ppl do not speak Hindi so for them English or Regional Language is best.

[eagle_y2j]

Hindi is and should remain our national language.

+1

english is international lang. no need to make tis our national lang. BTW hindi is default setting we don't need to change

[rakeshishere]

Mods i request you to plz close such issues regarding language,contry and stupid issues like these..Tell them to discuss such sensitive topics in some other forums

[aakash_mishra]

Mods i request you to plz close such issues regarding language,contry and stupid issues like these..Tell them to discuss such sensitive topics in some other forums

hey rakeshishere

I agree with you not only matter concerned to language but any sensitive matter should not be posted in forums.........

Our Country is the best as it is. So guys accept it and plz do not post such threads again.

Well guys you might take it otherwise as I am new to this forum but its a matter concerning about our country guys. Don't flame INDIA...

[anandk]

lets CONTINUE with hindi...we dont want another mess (like mandal) on hands now, do we ?!

[SolidSnake]

:rolleyes:

what should be india's national language? Hindi

it should be english, no indian language should be given preference. What kind of logic is that?

hindi, as over 15% of indian people want hindi as national language, and that is majority,as it's arround 9% for bengali, the same is for tamil and all. From where did you get those %s?

or there should be no national language. Doesn't make any sense.

will you prefer national language as, marathi, gujrati, orrisaa, bengla, tamil,
i mean your own mother tungue you will prefer.

let's see what you think about it.

[kumarmohit]

How about machine language ... just joking:-)

[sknowonweb]

Guyz This is a sensitive issue in South . There are more number of Indian forums over this Issue . And all spreads hatred over fellow Indians . Why is such a thing posted here .
I second "rakeshishere" and "desmataks" with "aakash_mishra" over removing/locking the topic

[satyamy]

Hindi was, Hindi is & Hindi Will remain as our National Language
& It Should be
No more discussion needed for this Thing
Now dont waste time anymore

[ravi_9793]

always hindi

[led_shankar]

^^Try convincing the South Indian politicians that. Do you know how much agitation was there on this issue earlier?

[SolidSnake]

I beg to differ. Hindi is not the national language, just because a majority of people speak it. There are many many many languages in India; We cannot ignore any of them. There have been major riots due to this issue. People take pride in their regional languages, and we cannot afford to alienate them by imposing our language upon them.

Hindi should be the national language for exactly the reason I bolded above. Making Hindi our national language does not mean that other Indian languages are going to be ignored. Infact the kids should be taught more about other parts of India (which unfortunately doesn't happen), I know more about say US than Kerala or Tamil Nadu which presents are sorry picture of our Education System.

From wikipedia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindi

"The Constitution of India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_India), adopted in 1950, declares Hindi in the Devanagari (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari) script the "official language (rājabhāshā) of the Union" (Art. 343(1)). It was envisioned that Hindi would become the sole working language of the central government by 1965, with state governments being free to function in languages of their own choice."


English for the sake of ppl who dont know/dont want to learn Hindi apart from north there r ppl like in TamilNaad who dont even get one word in Hindusthaani properly.SO ENGLISH.

Err, but more than 90% of Indians do not understand english, heck more people understand Bengali than English. I can't understand the logic of this English Prem (Love:D ), a Foreign language which hardly 5-10% of population understands is given so much importance in India at the cost of our own languages. Actually ek story thi na 2 Bandaron (Monkey) aur ek Billi (Cat) ki..wohi ho rahaa hai.
__________
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language

"English is today the third or fourth most widely distributed language as a first spoken language in the world, after Mandarin, Hindi, and Spanish (see the ranking). Something around 600 million people use the various dialects of English regularly."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers

Another myth propagated is that we cannot progress without English, try asking that from a German, a French, a Japanese, a Korean, a Russian, a Chinese, an Arab, a Spanish, a Portugese, an Italian etc...these in these countries don't care one paisa about English...nor do they understand English, they proudly use their own languages and don't feel embarrased using their own languages.

Angrez to chale gaye lekin Angrezi chhod gaye, it is high time that our languages are given their due.:mad:

[led_shankar]

^please don't be emotional, solidsnake

The thing is that English is spoken by a minority of people, but that minority is scattered all over India; The top workforce is well-versed in English.

Germans do not need English because they do not have 114 languages.

[praka123]

Germans do not need English because they do not have 114 languages.
Exactly.this is the problem being B/B in Hindi speaking belt.these ppl cant get that there r better options than hindi available.please get some toleration towards south indians;they r also proud of their culture.regarding learning hindi as natinonal lang,read what annadurai said :

In an address in 1962, former Tamil Nadu Chief Minister C N Annadurai made the following statements opposing Hindi imposition: "It is claimed that Hindi should be common language because it is spoken by the majority. Why should we then claim the tiger as our national animal instead of the rat which is so much more numerous? Or the peacock as our national bird when the crow is ubiquitous?"

Annadurai also said, "Since every school in India teaches English, why can't it be our link language? Why do Tamils have to study English for communication with the world and Hindi for communications within India? Do we need a big door for the big dog and a small door for the small dog? I say, let the small dog use the big door too!" [2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Hindi_agitations#Annadurai.27s_Speech_in_Indian_Pa rlaiment


Anti-Hindi agitation is a term used to describe the opposition the people of Tamil Nadu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_Nadu) have voiced to the Indian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India) Government's attempts to establish Hindi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindi) as the sole official language of India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India) [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Hindi_agitations#_note-0). Anti Hindi agitation is not a history but its an ongoing agitation or feelings with in Tamils in India.
read here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Hindi_agitations
Clyde Ahmad Winters, who has written extensively on Dravidian origins commented:

"Archaeological and linguistic evidence indicates that the Dravidians were the founders of the Harappan culture which extended from the Indus Valley through northeastern Afghanistan, on into Turkestan. The Harappan civilization existed from 2600-1700 BC. The Harappan civilization was twice the size the Old Kingdom of Egypt. In addition to trade relations with Mesopotamia and Iran, the Harappan city states also had active trade relations with the Central Asian peoples."
source:
http://www.tamilnation.org/heritage/index.htm#Indus%20Civilisation
mujhe to Hindi thoda bahut aata hei,aur koi dushmani bhi nahin hei hindi bhaasha ke ooper.lekin humein to doosron ke soch-vichar ko bhi dekhna hai aur usko bhi maryaada/aadar dena hai

[mediator]

@uttoransen....national Language English?? Are u alright?? Have u thought about poor people in India?? Majority of India is on poverty line and most people dont even know how to read even hindi, then forget english man!

Neways no one's imposing to speak a particular language! If hindi is spoken and understood by most of the people then whats wrong in making it a national language?? Hindi unites the whole India...coz all understand Hindi. Even the central asia, region around thailand, some foreigners too now understand Hindi pretty well. This is due to large coverage of Bollywood and TV serials to entire world!!

If bangla or Tamil wud have been spoke and understood by many....then no one shud be having problem to accept it as National language! But we have Hindi here as most popular. So Hindi shud be the national language!!!

[praka123]

but i dont say tamil/bangla to be made national language.we dont want imposition of Hindi on south especially Andhra,Tamilnaad and Kerala.their culture is very much diffrnt wrt north.pls read my quotes carefully.if again tr enforcing Hindi,there will be more anger of communities and will result in terrorism(even now exists for eg;ltte for tamil eezham(country)) and seperation from countries main stream.
Majority of India is on poverty line and most people dont even know how to read even hindi, then forget english man!

if someone wanna learn a language learn the Universal language a.k.a ENGLISH y learn hindi which is having less benefit for southerners.instead learning ENGLISH will give them atleast be ready to cop with international jobs.also FYI learning curve for Hindi is much greater than of English why?'coz English words and phrases are used mostly in southern languages thanks 2 Cinema,TV.so Better English as National Language.if u look at the poll all Hindiwalle will vote hindi as they cant think of anything other than hindi.i know the example of north indian ppl mostly BPL coming to south for jobs astonished 2 find there r areas in India where Hindi is notatall understandaeable.in police station in Tamilnaad for eg;looties from north are arrested.now these ppl only knew hindi.so the police searched and found after a day a Dwibhaashi(Translator) for communication.get the facts first.it is exactly like making an European learn Hindi as is the case with us sotherners.:mad:

[sknowonweb]

The North holds Hindi High and the South holds English High for inter state communication for the past since the formation and independence of India . We struggled with this setup , passed few famines , wars and invarioubly now prospering with this Setup . Don't Forget the globalisation opens up India over its English knowledge .
Now whats the problem. North Indians communicate within themselves through Hindi and southindians communicate themselves with English or regional languages . When we ( south ) indians came to North , we will learn Hindi and when Yourselves ( North residing ) Indians came to southern part of the India learn English or our regional languages .
This is a sensitive topic guyz . more than seven people immolated in public places daylight in Chennai alone in the anti-hindi agitation and the scars are not yet forgotten .
A tech forum is not a suitable place to discuss this kind of issue's.

[uttoransen]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bengal

there are many more places you can get those figures. there are arround 10 crore people in india who speak bengoli, and the same figure is for tamil, orrissa, maharastra and places like that.


who told that people in the north speak only hindi, they speak punjabi in the north, marathi in the west, bengoli-assamies-orrissa in the easy and tamil and related language in the south. hindi is spoken in up, bihar and m.p.

national language should be english. as if i learn english it will be worth it, i can get a job outside india, i mean if i learn english it will be of some use, what is the use of learning hindi?

and also if i get a choise to learn a language i will chose bangla, as that's my mother tongue. then i will chose english as it will help in my carrer. then after that, i will chose tamil, as tamil is one of the best language of india, the culture and litarature proves that. after that if i get a oppurtunity to learn another language i will chose, french, german, chinese, japanise.

why should i be forced to learn hindi? when i have no interest in it.

about the impossing of hindi on us, a government employee has to learn hindi, and pass in it before he get's a government job, and that's called impossing.


our hindi teacher always boasted that hindi is out national language, that's something that they will do, and think that they are superior as there mother tongue is taken as the national language.


by the way hindi is not the national language, it's the official language.

[mediator]

@prakash....I'm not saying to impose Hindi on anyone. But I'm saying that majority of Indian population understands hindi. So it shud become a national symbol/language!

I understand a lot of other languages too like little bangla and punjabi. But terrorism and fights over national language is absolutely insane and absurd!


if someone wanna learn a language learn the Universal language a.k.a ENGLISH y learn hindi which is having less benefit for southerners.instead learning ENGLISH will give them atleast be ready to cop with international jobs

Now thats for international thing....and we are speaking of national. Anyways if u wanna consider for jobs then Sanskrit is also the most demanding! Scientists from all over the world want sanskrit scholars so as to feed snkrit in computers and it is a highly paid job!
Now then sanskrit shud become national language?? ofcors not.....coz its not spoken by majority!

I know u live in south.....and I'm ver well acquainted that many people speak english there...even the cab drivers! I have lived in south for a month!
But thats only south now! Go to east and the west...to Sikkim and Rajasthan and then Punjab etc! U'll find only educated people speaking english and majority who are poor only understanding hindi besides their local language. They dont even know how to read ABC of english!

I admit I speak hindi. But if tamil or bangla wud have been spoken by the mass..then iwud have no problem with it!
For English...I personally feel that if it becomes national language then we will be giving a Certificate to Britishers of their work in India in the past!! That wud be horrible!

[SolidSnake]

^please don't be emotional, solidsnake

The thing is that English is spoken by a minority of people, but that minority is scattered all over India; The top workforce is well-versed in English.

Germans do not need English because they do not have 114 languages.

The bottomline is a language spoken/understood by 5% of Indians can not be our national language, that too a foreign language. Doesn't matter how many languages we have, it can in no way justify the imposition of a Foreign Language as a National Language. The fact is Hindi is spoken by a majority of Indians and is understood by even greater no of people.

[uttoransen]

the ammount of people that know english is increasing, and for the rest, if english is made our national language then every one will start learning and understanding it, and also it will help them in there careers. so why not go for english. people living in orrissa and the far east in india knows bengla more than hindi, also the 4 states of south knows tamil more than hindi, and i have already told that if given a chance to learn i will prefer tamil over hindi, as the language and literature of tamil is better than hindi.

[led_shankar]

@SolidSnake: Actually I do not even support English as the national language; I support no such entity; It is against the ideals that built India.

And mediator and SolidSnake, I'd be interested in your reply about the Quote on the national animal and national bird.

I, for one, agree with sknowonweb. Mods please lock this thread.

[SolidSnake]

@SolidSnake: Actually I do not even support English as the national language; I support no such entity; It is against the ideals that built India.

And mediator and SolidSnake, I'd be interested in your reply about the Quote on the national animal and national bird.

I, for one, agree with sknowonweb. Mods please lock this thread.

Shankar, I fail to understand why Mr.Annadurai made that comparison, it simply makes no sense. And let me say this, anti-Hindism is (pretty much) limited to Tamil Nadu...IIRC all Anti-Hindi riots took place in TN, other Southern states do not share strident Anti-Hindism of TN.

Arre, no need to lock this topic. We are only discussing an important topic. And BTW didn't you see this at the top of this page..

"Fight Club The Debate Zone. Sensitive and controversial topics will be discussed here — only the thick-skinned should enter"


the ammount of people that know english is increasing, and for the rest, if english is made our national language then every one will start learning and understanding it, and also it will help them in there careers. so why not go for english. people living in orrissa and the far east in india knows bengla more than hindi, also the 4 states of south knows tamil more than hindi, and i have already told that if given a chance to learn i will prefer tamil over hindi, as the language and literature of tamil is better than hindi.

You are putting cart before the bullock. The truth is come whatever may English will never be an Indian Language and will be limited to Upper-middle/Elite families. I think we people under-estimate how much inroads Hindi has made in past decades (in non-hindi states) mainly due to Bollywood. You go to Ladakh, North-East (You'll be surprised to know that Hindi is State Language in Arunachal), WB, Sikkim, Orissa, AP (in Telengana Area), Karnataka (Northern parts)...many people can speak kaam-chalaoo Hindi and more can understand it. And also if I am not wrong, Hindi (as a Language) is taught across the Schools in India...even in Southern States (except TN?).

No-one is proposing that Hindi is going to REPLACE regional languages. As initially thought in the constitution, Hindi shall be the language of Union Govt. State Govt shall be free to choose their languages. English must go now and should not be given ROYAL treatment anymore.

In a Democracy, one always goes by majority. The fact is Majority of Indians speak/understand Hindi and compared to it ~5% can speak/understand English...it is really no-brainer as to which should be our National Language.

[rollcage]

MODS CLOSE THIS
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Hindi .. will always be our national language ..

there are always regional languages .. India is so much diversified..

Dont forget north east here again .. dudes

they also .. uses hindi.. along with local language
.........

english is used worldwide .. for trade reasons ..

...

russian, Chinese, french . havnt forgotton their languages

the same we dont have to ..

Remember .. one of the oldest language .. Sanskrit
.. ya Sanskrit . people have forgotten it
ya I agree.. me too havn't read anything in Sanskrit after I left it in 10th

We dont do anything ... but i saw it on Discovery .. In some European Schools they are teaching .. Sanskrit, & moreover Vedic Mathematics
(amazing ..atleast they care about one of the oldest & finest language)

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[mediator]

@rollcage....exactly bro. Its such a shame that foreigners are trying to research on our original langauge i.e Sanskrit instead of us. Moreover they are practising most of the Aurvedic techniques today instead of us.
And look at us......we are getting attracted to westerners, whereas the westerners are getting attracted to our tradition!! Its such a shame!

@led_shankar.....chill man! I'm quite busy these days........But its doesnt mean I'm out of this thread! Lets talk!

Well about the post on national animal and bird..................Tell me urself! Do want crow to be national bird?? or Whatever animal instead tiger be nationa animal??

Do u know what is national animal or national bird??
Ok let me enlighten u now. National animal or bird is not something found in greatest number of all species in a country. Its something that is found in greatest number COMPARITIVELY to other countries!!

India used to have greatest number of lions ans tigers in the past...though the numebr is decreasing now! And India still has the greatest numebr of peacocks of all the countries! Peacocks,tigers here are killed for there flesh,awesome skin,beautiful feathers,meat. And thats a shame actually that we are killing such beatiful creatures.

Tell me whats the national animal of Australia?? And is it something found in greatest number of all species in Australia?? Kangaroo is something that australia has more than any other country! Its not that u'll find kangaroo on every next street roaming around like dogs in India. Think about it!!

So u wanted to implement ur national bird/animal theory to national language huh?? So u see your theory still applies now !! Hindi is found spoken by many and many in India compared to rest of the world and understood by many many more.

Neways those of u supporting english.....from the beginning of the post i see u talk big abt English to be national language. To u know what is national language?? Its a language orginated from one's home land and not some foreign language!
If u had said bangla or tamil that wud benn understandable. But English??

Guess the day wont be long when the english supporters here will say that the national anthem/song shud be an "Iron Maiden" song! I'm so ashamed of u!

Anyways I see u have become so westernised. Tell me do u sleep in western clothes at night or the most comfortable "Pajama Kurta"?? Similar is case with English!

And why do guys wanna lock this topic...........I came just now!! Every debate i go in continues for atleast 4-5 pages...and its just 2 now. Lets rock now!!
And english??? No way! Do u wanna give the certificate to britishers that desperately of their work in India in the past??

[Vyasram]

i feel tortured each time those morons shift to hindi stuff on tv (DD, we're talkin abt) in south India. Atleast here they must use translators and telecast shows in their regional languages or English. I dont f'ing know why the DD guyz give us Hindi commentary in our region even while they have a feed of english. Is it bcoz they what to irritate everyone here(more ppl speak English than Hindi here) or it is bcoz they are noobs who dont know how to give separate feeds for the south and the North

[QwertyManiac]

i feel tortured each time those morons shift to hindi stuff on tv (DD, we're talkin abt) in south India.
And I get frustrated if they dub cartoons into tamil ...

[mediator]

@Qwerty......hahahhah! Nice go bro!


i feel tortured each time those morons shift to hindi stuff on tv (DD, we're talkin abt) in south India.

Tell me precisely & in detail what this statement has to do with this topic?? If u get frustrated then complaint to ur cable operator. Why are u putting ur frustration on Hindi??

Anways guys......The topic of this thread is "what should be india's national language?"......and it reads national means originating in India i.e truly Indian. Get it. So name some Indian language instead of making foreigners happy!!

[uttoransen]

Do u know what is national animal or national bird??
Ok let me enlighten u now. National animal or bird is not something found in greatest number of all species in a country. Its something that is found in greatest number COMPARITIVELY to other countries!!

India used to have greatest number of lions ans tigers in the past...though the numebr is decreasing now! And India still has the greatest numebr of peacocks of all the countries! Peacocks,tigers here are killed for there flesh,awesome skin,beautiful feathers,meat. And thats a shame actually that we are killing such beatiful creatures.


good going, but unfortuantely our national sport is hockey, and 95% of indians can not tell all 11 players of hockey team of india. but they can say all 15 of australlia's cricket squad.


so i feel this is not the best of the reasons to say hindi as spoken by the 15% of indian people is the most in the world, and the others like tamil, orrissa, marathi, bengoli, are 10% each, so they can't be, if all states together go for english, then no one can stop english to become our national language.

i don't say make tamil or bengoli as the national language, as hindi is also the same if you consider that way.

hindi spoken by the majority, what majority? total population of bihar, up, mp in india contitutes 20% of indian population, then the rest has there regional language.

where in north people speak hindi? kashmir mainly has people suporting urdu.
panjab speaks punjabi, maharastra mainly marathi. where is hindi there?

yes from communication between one state people to another use "chalu hindi" which is in itself abuse of hindi.


we in school, college and most places speak english, most IT people do that, and poor speak hindi, but then the english speaking people are growing and it's no longer for the upper class now. it's common to all.

when do we speak hindi, with friends genarally. let that be, if hindi is no longer rastrabhasa then also we will keep speaking hindi, so problems with that. and as a benifit, poor people will get to know english, and give them a extra benifit in there career.

[mediator]

@uttorasen....Good atleast u read mu posts in this fight.


where in north people speak hindi? kashmir mainly has people suporting urdu.
panjab speaks punjabi, maharastra mainly marathi. where is hindi there?

Hey man....please dont mind but I consider thats a child's statement. Now I can reply to this by saying in a childish manner that "panjab speaks punjabi, maharastra mainly marathi. where is English there?"
I know u'll say that they can speak English...blablabla...big time!
But have u just ever thought poor people there??? Ofcors people in a community will talk in their local language. Man in previous fight club u tried to show me that ur intelligent and now again ur making such stupid statements.
Ok hindi is spoken by people of north. But can u tell exactly what state or region??

Anyways I think u dont travel much outta bengal. Travel like me and find the difference in ur awareness.Come outta Bengal and see the world and how people live in. Ur AC/cooler,western luxury is not the real world!! U say ur a honest and intelligent Indian, then u shud know these things....instead me telling u this.
Ok I give an advice just go to punjab,maharashtra and whateva states u mentioned. Conduct a survey there. Speak to the local people in
A. local language of that state if u know
B. Bangla
C. Tamil
D. Hindi
E. English

Now converse with the poor people also in all these langauge not just the educated people. And then tell who understands what.
So again I request u to stop making irresponsible/baseless statements coz that really blows my mind.
U'll find people in any of these states atleast understanding hindi and many of them speaking hindi too. Most of them will be blank if u ask/converse with them in English.
Again I ask to stop making such stupid statements.Even a child can loose interest in a debate if the opponent makes wierd/baseless comments like these.



but unfortuantely our national sport is hockey, and 95% of indians can not tell all 11 players of hockey team of india. but they can say all 15 of australlia's cricket squad.

Ooooffff. Man first u were after national language, then u and ur team tried to connect that with national bird/animal. And now when I enlightened u, u r trying to bring in national sports?? Thats totally insane. Please stick to national language. I can enlighten u about this too. Wanna get enlighten now?? Please use ur mind once for this and think for urself without others enlightening you again n again.

neyway what people not knowing name of 11 hovkey players has to do with national lngauge and this topic?? But now as u started it then lets talk about this too.
How can u say 95% not knowing hockey player names?? Did u urself conduct a survey?? Dont say that it came in news...coz nobody must be reading and watching news as I do. So again stop making such baseless/stupid comments from ur wonderland.
Please try to bring in some facts and some realism.



hindi spoken by the majority, what majority? total population of bihar, up, mp in india contitutes 20% of indian population, then the rest has there regional language.

My answer is travel whole India and find urself! Sitting in bengal all the time wont do u any good. Even the central asia,thai people etc etc aslo understand hindi...then forget about India!



yes from communication between one state people to another use "chalu hindi" which is in itself abuse of hindi.

Why is it chalu?? And why do u see it as "abuse of hindi"? I wud like u to explain on this one in detail. Please do so or ur repute here will go down.


we in school, college and most places speak english, most IT people do that, and poor speak hindi, but then the english speaking people are growing and it's no longer for the upper class now. it's common to all.

Wow again a stupid comment....Do I need to explain this again?? Most people drink pepsi in offices and canteen and talk in English as u say. So shud we replace water with Coca cola and pepsi in our daily liife?? Shud we drink pepsi or champagne with daal chawal now?.....This post of urs was extremely stupid.



when do we speak hindi, with friends genarally. let that be, if hindi is no longer rastrabhasa then also we will keep speaking hindi, so problems with that. and as a benifit, poor people will get to know english, and give them a extra benifit in there career.

Oh no not only that....I speak to mah boss in Hindi only in the company premises and not only me ....all do. Only the ones who try to show that they are oversmart speak in English.

I dont care if hindi becomes rastrabhasha or not. If u like Bengali then go ahead make it rashtrabhasha. As u said then also ppl will keep speaking Hindi. But i think ur deliberately trying to pull down Hindi for some reason.

Please English supporters here dont try to make fun of Hindi.....coz I know a 1000 ways of making fun of other languages andmost prominently English.

@uttoransen....How will poor people will get to know English?? Will u teach them one by one in nation of over a million or billion poor people?? Anyways if try to be oversmart with them...then i tell u onething most of them will abuse u in "Hindi"!! Got it??



Neways I posted twice now....Let me post again for specially u! NAME SOME "INDIAN"/"NATIONAL" LANGUAGE HERE AND NOT SOME FOREIGN LANGUAGE to be a national langauge. Can u ask french/german/russian to be Indian national language?? Huh french/german/russian will laugh at u if u do so. ROFLMAO!!
So how can u ask Foreign language english to be national lanhguage.


U in previous fight said u were the greatest supporter of stupid left leaders. But those left leaders themselves opposed Sonia Gandhi as prime minister coz she was of foreign origin. Now u trying to oppose ur gods by asking same for english?? i am sure CPM leaders will laugh at u for this!!!





Now I ask u to please quote ALL my POSTS for ur replies like i did for each and every single line of urs. I know u dont like quoting but not quoting is against forum rules......Dont take it personally but if u repeat the same fault again n again and make it difficult for me to find ur posts like last time then I have to appeal/complaint against u and most ppl here will as they have less patience then me.Belive me!!


And please dont make stupid/baseless posts again like "95%" figure above coz that really pisses me off and I'll forget that I made friends with u at the end of last fight!


Epeace! And those who say English as national langauge....i dont consider them national/patriotic at all!! NAme some other nation language,any language that orginated in India to be called as national....no problem with that!!

[rakeshishere]

OMFG wat replies by mediator

[led_shankar]

@Mediator: I sleep in Pyjama Kurtas, unless I am too tired to even get up and change ;)

And I never said English should be the national language. I said there should be no such thing

And furthermore, the issue is grossly exaggerated IMHO. The 'national language' really does not make that much of a difference. It is like the President of the country; Only nominal. Hindi is the national language, but for professional success, everyone learns english. IMO, WTF is so important about it?

Also, you mentioned an "Iron Maiden" song being the National Anthem. Well, I don't really care muxh for IM (I prefer Led Zeppelin). But the current National Anthem is not in Hindi, BTW.

P.S. - I am gonna lurk in this thread now mostly, due to the reasons my second last paragraph. Buut I will answer any questions you have specifically to my post. And sorry I did not quote directly what you said; But I did it this way because many people asked the questions you asked.

[mediator]

@led_shankar....no problem! Post again sometime whenever u r free. I'm not saying do it now! Take ur time. But if u post.... then reply to each and every line of mine....that wud be really called debate then!!

I dunno if national anthem is in hindi or not....but one things for sure. Its is in a langaueg that orginated in India.

For many of u guys saying abt English for work...then lemme tell u go to Germany and France n I bet they will pay double than what US pays for same job. Coz they really want Indians in their jobs. Now if u'll learn japanese/german for that....will u call for german/japanese to be made as national langauge of India if all Indians start migrating to japan/germany for jobs instead of US?? If Germans had done their dirty work here instead of britishers in the past, then wud u go for German instead English?? That wud again be ROFLMAO.

Again read the definition of NATIONAL LANGAUGE, NATIONAL BIRD/ANIMAL I posted in my previous posts!

@uttorasen....and for u mah friend....Good that started a debate! But did u really thought people here will support u?? Now that u started it.......be active in this thread! Its ur duty! And ur duty is to quote each single line of ur opponents here to fullfill ur debate that u started!!

Neways whoever supports Englis hhere as "NAtional" Language ....I consider him not only as traitor/Anti-nationalist....but also a good joker! Atleast they shud know the definition of the word "National"...when they speak of national langauge.

So whoever supports English....please raise ur hands!!
English, I think is more of a INTERNATIONAL LANGUAGE !!

And where are other English supporters here.........Sleeping?? Now I'm active in this thread no one's replying?? Please other Englisg supporters...post against me...I'm getting bored! Only one person is posting against me -> @uttoransen....and he is hardly entertaining me with no proofs and making some baseless statements!!
I guess no body wanna play with me...........! But if anybody wanna play then please post /quote and reply to each line of all my posts! And the one who will do so will get a surprise Gift!! hehe
Waiting!!

[led_shankar]

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Mazaaak banaa diya mediator ne

........
But have u just ever thought poor people there??? Ofcors people in a community will talk in their local language.......

do the poor people also all know Hindi?


.......Ok I give an advice just go to punjab,maharashtra and whateva states u mentioned. Conduct a survey there. Speak to the local people in
A. local language of that state if u know
B. Bangla
C. Tamil
D. Hindi
E. English........


English also serves as the communicator among Indians who speak different language. English is very important in some systems – legal, financial, educational, business – in India.

http://adaniel.tripod.com/Languages3.htm

English is not classified as one of the 15 national languages of India (NEB:286). Although Hindi is the Official Language of the Union, provision was made in the Constitution that English would be used in official work until 1965, after which Hindi would replace it. Because of the opposition of the Dravidian south against Hindi, the Indian Government decided to further extend the role of English as an additional language with Hindi to be used for purposes of the Union and in Parliament. (See the provisions made in the Official Languages Act of 1963, as amended in 1967.) English is now recognized as an associate official language, with Hindi the official language. It is recognized as the official language in four states (Manipur, Meghalaya, Nagaland, Tripura) and in eight Union territories.http://tinyurl.com/p79xz


@uttoransen....How will poor people will get to know English?? Will u teach them one by one in nation of over a million or billion poor people?


WTF?? Even Hindi will have to be taught one by one :rolleyes:

And you did not respond to my point about it being a nominal language only.

And your posts confirm why I wanted this thread to be locked.

[uttoransen]

Do u know what is national animal or national bird??


this was your statement, so i told this "our national sport is hockey, and 95% of indians can not tell all 11 players of hockey team of india. but they can say all 15 of australlia's cricket squad."
i hope this is clear, and your statement


Ooooffff. Man first u were after national language, then u and ur team tried to connect that with national bird/animal. And now when I enlightened u, u r trying to bring in national sports?? Thats totally insane. Please stick to national language. I can enlighten u about this too.


i have not raised any topic that said anything about national animal or something, it was you who was answering that, so i gave you an example that india cricket is more popular than hockey, but still hockey is the national sport. got it.


Hey man....please dont mind but I consider thats a child's statement. Now I can reply to this by saying in a childish manner that "panjab speaks punjabi, maharastra mainly marathi. where is English there?"

there is english, and there is hindi, people in those states know as much hindi as english. but most of all what they want matters. do they want hindi, in punjab they don't want, now you will ask me of proofs, then just give me the proof that in punjab they want hindi, if you can't give this proof then i also can't. my figures are based on internet surveys, from more than one source, and media, that's right, you have already said it, news!!!!. so start watching news.



Anyways I think u dont travel much outta bengal. Travel like me and find the difference in ur awareness.Come outta Bengal and see the world and how people live in. Ur AC/cooler,western luxury is not the real world!! U say ur a honest and intelligent Indian, then u shud know these things....instead me telling u this.


part of this statement someone has already anwered, still the rest am answering. i don't live in west bengal. see the world, right, just go and see, in punjab there is punjabi as there local language, then comes hindi. but it matters what they want as national language, do they want hindi. no they don't they want english, why? they are more comfertable with hindi, still they want english!!!!! because they want no indian language get the king's polition. and i also want the same. i don't say make hindi as the national language, nither i say bengoli or tamil. i have always told that if it comes to chose one,
i will chose english.
then bengoli.
then tamil(as tamil is the best in indian languages)
then any other foreign language that gives me some scope to prosper.

where is hindi????



Wow again a stupid comment....Do I need to explain this again?? Most people drink pepsi in offices and canteen and talk in English as u say. So shud we replace water with Coca cola and pepsi in our daily liife?? Shud we drink pepsi or champagne with daal chawal now?.....This post of urs was extremely stupid.

no, this is the stupid comment, please stop this kind of statements, stop water etc, there is no relation, don't be so stupid.




I dont care if hindi becomes rastrabhasha or not. If u like Bengali then go ahead make it rashtrabhasha. As u said then also ppl will keep speaking Hindi. But i think ur deliberately trying to pull down Hindi for some reason.

not at all, i don't want hindi as national language, nor bangla. if i said that make bangla rastra bhasha, then it's all the same again. i don't want that there should be any indian language made rashtra basha. and about that pull down hindi, absolutely no. why should i, that's not proper. i don't want to take anything away from hindi. also am not a big supporter of english. and am explaining this below.



And I never said English should be the national language. I said there should be no such thing
And furthermore, the issue is grossly exaggerated IMHO. The 'national language' really does not make that much of a difference. It is like the President of the country; Only nominal. Hindi is the national language, but for professional success, everyone learns english. IMO, WTF is so important about it?

right friend, this dose not make any difference. you have told what i mean.
what is the national religion of india??? is it hundu as the majority is hindu???
no, there is no such a thing, then. pakistan is an islamic country, india is not.
india could be a hindu rastra, but it is not. then why a national language.

language and religion makes barriers, i have started this thread to make everything in india equal. there should be not anything as comunity. it should be a whole of india.

we don't require a national language, as we don't require a national religion.
english is used as communication, let that be. after all you have written every thing here in english, "kya abhi tak tu kuch hindi me bhi likha hai, to bolo, communication english me he ho raha hai na". that's what i want to say, why impose hindi, and that to on people in south india, where hindi is so difficult to understand.


@uttorasen....and for u mah friend....Good that started a debate! But did u really thought people here will support u?? Now that u started it.......be active in this thread! Its ur duty! And ur duty is to quote each single line of ur opponents here to fullfill ur debate that u started!!

yes, that's what am doing, am posting regularly, but i think giving time of a day in posts is better. anyways to carry on with you were saying.


Why is it chalu?? And why do u see it as "abuse of hindi"? I wud like u to explain on this one in detail. Please do so or ur repute here will go down.

see, hindi is a very pure language, and the interstate communication, for example bengoli and orrissa, with people in bihar and uttarpradesh, when communicates, the language becomes a mixture, it's not hindi, not bengoli or some other language. my hindi is very pure when i speak, and also that i had hindi as a subject, so i don't speak wrong hindi, nor i like others speak wrong. and chalu is what you call local hindi, it's not the same that we are taught in schools.

i don't want english as the national language firstly, if i get to chose that what should be the national language between hindi and english, i will chose english. i just want that there should be no such a thing as the national language. No language of india should be given importance over other languages.

about me going out and travelling and checking who speakes what,

i went to tamil last time, they just hate hindi, and it's the same in the entire south. they just hate hindi.

all east states from bengol, orrissa, and far east languages are simalar to bengoli, and they don't speak hindi.

then after that you talking of north, there you have a point, as there is practically no west of india, taking maharastra to north, people speak there hindi. yes after there local language, but they too don't want hindi to be made as national language.

[mediator]

@led_shankar.....No mazaak bro! Just some entertainment for me!


do the poor people also all know Hindi?

Why dont u check for urself? I proudly say that I have toured 90% of India!!


led_shankar is an unknown quantity at this point

Default Re: what should be india's national language?
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Mazaaak banaa diya mediator ne

Quote:
Originally Posted by mediator
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But have u just ever thought poor people there??? Ofcors people in a community will talk in their local language.......

do the poor people also all know Hindi?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mediator
.......Ok I give an advice just go to punjab,maharashtra and whateva states u mentioned. Conduct a survey there. Speak to the local people in
A. local language of that state if u know
B. Bangla
C. Tamil
D. Hindi
E. English........


English also serves as the communicator among Indians who speak different language. English is very important in some systems – legal, financial, educational, business – in India.

http://adaniel.tripod.com/Languages3.htm

English is not classified as one of the 15 national languages of India (NEB:286). Although Hindi is the Official Language of the Union, provision was made in the Constitution that English would be used in official work until 1965, after which Hindi would replace it. Because of the opposition of the Dravidian south against Hindi, the Indian Government decided to further extend the role of English as an additional language with Hindi to be used for purposes of the Union and in Parliament. (See the provisions made in the Official Languages Act of 1963, as amended in 1967.) English is now recognized as an associate official language, with Hindi the official language. It is recognized as the official language in four states (Manipur, Meghalaya, Nagaland, Tripura) and in eight Union territories.http://tinyurl.com/p79xz


So what are u trying to prove?? I think I have posted the replies already to English in offices etc....Dont u think so??


Even Hindi will have to be taught one by one

Are u too from south? Then go ahead tour India for atleast sake of your awareness. U'll find those poor people in turn can teach u Hindi well not properly...But I bet they will teach u! Believe me even if u dont want to....that will be good for u! I suare!



And you did not respond to my point about it being a nominal language only.

Hey man.....If u read my posts then u'll see that I already said that I dont care if Hindi becomes national Language or not. Thats why I tell everyone to quote each and every single line of my post. Coz then later I have to tell/remind them again that "I already posted this and that" like I'm doing for u now!
According to the topic of this thread I presented My choice as hindi for the poll! But it becomes nation or nominal language thats none of my concern. I just my choice and thats all. Can u question that?? Can u question why is Hindi is my mother tongue?? Thta wud be stupid then!!


And your posts confirm why I wanted this thread to be locked.

Why? Now U aint started this thread...Did u?? If u dont wanna play...then that doesnt mean I dont wanna play either! I'm just getting warmed up here...but some people are demoralising me by posting extremely absurd,stupid and baseless posts! And man ......here I am ......enlightening them about simpe things tooo!


@uttorasen...Oh u qouting now...I'm so excited!!


this was your statement, so i told this "our national sport is hockey, and 95% of indians can not tell all 11 players of hockey team of india. but they can say all 15 of australlia's cricket squad."
i hope this is clear, and your statement

Still not clear...May be others can tell what u r talking about...particularly @led_shankar like he fighted for u in last 2-3 posts back for ur vague concerns/ideas ! Any body wanna expand this and tell what uttora babu is talking about??
And for 95% thing I guess I replied! Dont u think??
Anyways many people in DU play hockey, my college in delhi used to play hockey....even in many states play hockey. Will u say thatths just 5%. And people not playing hockey also know the names of hockey players. If u dont know the names of hockey players......then that doesnt mean others are like u!


i have not raised any topic that said anything about national animal or something, it was you who was answering that, so i gave you an example that india cricket is more popular than hockey, but still hockey is the national sport. got it.

So u trying to raise the most popular theory again dear?? I guess I replied for this one toooo! You also are not quoting each n every post of mine....and then now I'm reminding u to read that again!! Use ur mind and apply that on national sport...think of whateva u can and then post if u find something against mah post there of national bird/animal! Atleast for once use ur mind!!


where in north people speak hindi? kashmir mainly has people suporting urdu.
panjab speaks punjabi, maharastra mainly marathi. where is hindi there?


Looks like ur post!


there is english, and there is hindi, people in those states know as much hindi as english. but most of all what they want matters

So man...First u say "where is hindi"...then u say "There is hindi". ARe u OK?? Which post of urs shud I play with??
Anyways its irrelevant that punjabis dont want Hindi...but u urself are telling now THERE IS HINDI!!

MAn debates are meant to be speaking with strong,convincing statements and not to by uttering whateva baseless,stupid thing that comes in ur mind. U r making a BIG JOKE OF URSELF here by contradicting ur very own foundation of this thread, ur statements.
U HAVE BEEN CHECKMATED! Now if u wanna held ur repute high or atleast have little bit of self esteem the n I beg not to bow in front of foreigners!
Any more posts from u.....I'll consider them either jokes now or a time pass!


then just give me the proof that in punjab they want hindi, if you can't give this proof then i also can't

Are u stupid or what?? Do u want Punjabi in Bengal, Japanese in Tamil and blabla? Now that really pisses me off! I already replied that local people will talk in local language u moron! Its irrelevant that they want Hindi or not! What matters here is that they know it or not! And u urself said they know it!

And no body hates a thing unless he kows what the thing is! Tell tamil people thta Hindi is like tamil they will say yes. So u see a person who hates something aslo knows what that thing is. U cant hate "Chawal" unless u have tasted it...Can u??
So u se those who hate also know hindi ....atleast they understand it!

if you can't give this proof then i also can't

What does that mean...?? If I am intelligent..then ur intelligent also?? Are u kidding me? U have made enough joke of urself. U r nowhere near intelligent now!

Like I said everybody wants their local language to be National Language., so same is case with Tamilians or Punjabis if they dont want it. I will prefer Hindi. But I dont give a damn if other language becomes national language....like u said others will still understand Hindi! And I say Majority will!
It seems like u dont like Bollywood at all...dont u know Hindi? Anyway its irrelevant for me and for my point in this debate! Anyways if u wanna learn....poor people can teach u Hindi and that too for free. Just go anywhere they will converse and may be u can converse like them too!


my figures are based on internet surveys, from more than one source, and media, that's right, you have already said it, news!!!!. so start watching news.

Again Uttora Babu can u explain how relevant ths post of urs is in this topic? Shud I start calling u Mr.UttoraNonsense again?? Then u'll go to mods like a child and say that mediator is making fun of me.
Wake up man if u continue like this not only I but others will also make fun of u.

Read Forum first rule for Fight Club.....Not to make baseless statements and irrelevant statements! And continue quoting like this...I like that! But u didnt quote each and every single line of my past 3 posts. Why?? DId u give up on them? Atlast mark them with "Agreed!". I do that whenevr I agree with someone! Or were they too long for u to endure?? Debates are like this Uncle!



will chose english.
then bengoli.
then tamil(as tamil is the best in indian languages)
then any other foreign language that gives me some scope to prosper.


Reading all my posts I though nobody will ever dare to vote for English. But I guess either u havent rea them properly or u r absolutely Dumb or dont understand ENGLISH very well....coz u have so many vocablury,clauses,grammer errors in your posts. But u still say English!! Do u speak bangla also with so many language errors?.

I guess u'll remain Dumb as ever! A clear characteristic of LEFT LEADERS, CPM supporters!



where is hindi????

Is this a joke? Why are u reapeating ur statements? CAnt u reply with any new posts. MAh last 3 posts alone can fill ur copy register. Cant u find anything in it to reply or dont have guts to reply that??



no, this is the stupid comment, please stop this kind of statements, stop water etc, there is no relation, don't be so stupid.

Why is there no relation?? Its a clear analogy. I guess u never been thought with analogy. Even a child can understand this. Well the posts u dont understand...Do u reply them as stupid?? Explain!!



right friend, this dose not make any difference. you have told what i mean.
what is the national religion of india??? is it hundu as the majority is hindu???

Hahahahaha...thats the Joke of the Year Mr.UttoraNonsense! as I thought ur too confused and need some enlightenment!
Do u know India is the largest Democracy?? Do u? Dd ur parents tell that?? Did u read books??
Thats the First time I'm hearing someone say "Whats the nation religion of a democracy!"....My boy national Religion has no meaning!!
Its like u saying whats the international animal of India. Hahahaha...very hilarious!

Please @uttoranonsense........I thin u can please me with ur Jokes. So please keep posting such Nonsense here. Not good for forums...but entertaining for me atleast!!


india could be a hindu rastra, but it is not

So u wanna cry now?? What can u do about it??


language and religion makes barriers

How?? India is praised for unity in diversity. Are u feeling low about it??


there should be not anything as comunity. it should be a whole of india.

Totally! Thats why I request u to tour India! and find out what connects the majority. Just Try to talk to majority of poor in "ENGLISH" and they will really abuse u in "Hindi"! I donno what will u do then. Will u talk to them in "Bangla". Ok next...try "Hindi" now!


we don't require a national language, as we don't require a national religion.

Then why did u started this thread => "what should be india's national language?". WERE U TRYING TO MAKE A BIG JOKE/MOCKERY OF URSELF THE WHOLE TIME AND ENLIGHTENING OTHERS OF HOW DUMB U R??



see, hindi is a very pure language, and the interstate communication, for example bengoli and orrissa, with people in bihar and uttarpradesh, when communicates, the language becomes a mixture

These are bordering states hero! What do u think onestate be speaking zulu and the next bordering speaking Urdu?? If I live in some apartment and be speaking Hindi then what do u think....people from next apartment be speaking Japanese? That was indeed very stupid. Ofcors their will be mixture of accents!
Can u see hat mixture in Kashimri and Tamil?? Grow up!!


my hindi is very pure when i speak,

Good for us. Make ur English good too....and correct ur grammer,clause,vocablary errors here! and then cry like a child for a foreign language to become...whateva!!


i don't want english as the national language firstly, if i get to chose that what should be the national language between hindi and english, i will chose english. i just want that there should be no such a thing as the national language. No language of india should be given importance over other languages.

man thats too much now! Cant laugh on u more! First u say u want English now u say I dont want! First u start a thread then oppose it! U r macking a great mockery of urself here. I know leftists are stupid but never realised they were stupid to such an extent!


i went to tamil last time, they just hate hindi, and it's the same in the entire south. they just hate hindi.

So? I hate some languages too? What that has to do here? Explain!


all east states from bengol, orrissa, and far east languages are simalar to bengoli, and they don't speak hindi.

But right now u said u speak very pure hindi. Was that a joke on urself again?? And i have been to these states and even conversed with them in Hindi. Shud I complain against u now....for making baseless posts??

Please have some respect for urself! Dont make others laugh at you like ROFLMAO!


then after that you talking of north, there you have a point, as there is practically no west of india, taking maharastra to north, people speak there hindi. yes after there local language, but they too don't want hindi to be made as national language.

Did u go each house and conducted a poll? Or ur again making stupid statemnts from for wonderland. Anyways u cant even represent urself properly,keep making contradicting statement,full of baseless statements that make me laugh. Then how can u talk about others.....Did they elect u?? to represent them.

Man for about "National" bird/song/animal/language I have spoke uite a lot. But I say one thing u depict quite a lot to stupid left leaders and are pretty much like them. Sorry more stupid then them. May be u can become Leftist leader!
But then dont tell them about English or they'll throw u out like they threw "Sonia Gandhi" for being foreigner!!

EPEACE! POST AGAIN!
I'll be pleased if u reply to each and every single unreplied line left in my last 4 posts!
U'll gather some repute if u do so!
waiting.........!

[led_shankar]

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Immature personal attacks. That is not a debate.

Mods, please lock, like you locked the Ganesh immersion thread.

[mediator]

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Immature personal attacks. That is not a debate.
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Whose making personal attacks?? Did I make any attack on u?? Telling others of how ignorant they are about Natonal Bird/Animal/Language, its definition and whateva is not a personal attack.

Neways quote mah points please!! This is a debate

My posts have just started. And I want @uttora and you @led_shankar to reply each of my unreplied lines from last 4 posts.

@led_shankar.....Bro... U made me come here....and challenged me to make some points in this debate! Then I expected u to make more posts than @uttoraNonsense !.....But I guess ur quitting already! That makes me realy sad.



And mediator and SolidSnake, I'd be interested in your reply about the Quote on the national animal and national bird

Remember this??
U shud not do that u know!! If u called me to make some posts here in my busy routine in life...then u shud be prepared to face them. Why quit??
Take ur time 1day,1 week or an year to convince me if I'm wrong....but dont quit!! And quote me completely!


MODS please DONT CLOSE THIS THREAD! I BEG U!

[SolidSnake]

Bhai Log, yeh Mahabharat band karo. Lets all debate in cool and calm manner without being aggressive.

[uttoransen]

meadiator you are a big ediot, and it's my fault that i have answred so much here, that's it, now no more, and that name again, making personal comments, targetting my name, doing all sorts of shameful act, and don't worry, answer as much as you can, quote every line of mine, as i am not going to come to this page again. and it's all because of your personal attacks on my, mods please take care, as it's not allowed in any forum to make personal attacks on names etc.

your posts are full of ediotism, just go through that, and you will learn. democracy right, then why hindi language as national language? make every one equal, why national language, if no national religion. anyways you can answer what you like, as i am not going to read this again. so quote and quote till you get tired.

[mediator]

meadiator you are a big ediot, and it's my fault that i have answred so much here, that's it, now no more, and that name again, making personal comments, targetting my name, doing all sorts of shameful act, and don't worry, answer as much as you can, quote every line of mine, as i am not going to come to this page again. and it's all because of your personal attacks on my, mods please take care, as it's not allowed in any forum to make personal attacks on names etc.

your posts are full of ediotism, just go through that, and you will learn. democracy right, then why hindi language as national language? make every one equal, why national language, if no national religion. anyways you can answer what you like, as i am not going to read this again. so quote and quote till you get tired.

Awww Uttora Babu...quitting already?? This was a stereotypical comment from a person who lost a debate and calling other a stupid in frustration without proof while chickening out!

I thought I'll hearing more jokes from u. Anyways u r like a typical CPM personal who will first make baseless comments like nobody speaks "HIndi" like CPM says Bones in "Bab Ramdev's" Medicine and then making a big issue of it......and then later saying that Punjabis speak "Hindi" and u speak pure "Hindi" and CPM saying yeah it was a fault "No bones Found!!" .....and atlast quitiing and hiding ur face for a while to keep out of the social inferiority!!


t's my fault that i have answred so much here

Answered?? .....Say that u made a mockery of urself and made a big joke of u. All u did is made me laugh!......Tell me any point that u posted with some correct definition or a base. U were constantly condradicting ur own posts !!!!


quote every line of mine, as i am not going to come to this page again.

Where will u go?? You can run but cant hide! Lets meet in next fight club and tell some good jokes there then too!! I wanna know the depth of stupidity of CPM heads !


make every one equal

Exactly...Thats why u shud not hate any national language and have respect towards other National languages!!

Neways I quoted each single line of urs in which u were ignorant,making baseless comments,contradicting.......blabla! And marked the one "agreed" in which u surprisingly showed a little nobleness!
So now you also quote na..... do the same!

I gave so much evidence from ur posts,enlightened u, gave u so much proof that u were indeed ignorant and stupid! So do the same for me now. Why are u chickening out??

And for complaints.........what is there to complaint?? Stupid is defined as the one who is ignorant and makes irresponsible/baseless statements. I just called u stupid and ignorant. What is there to complaint??

Neways like I said in previous debate of "America better than India"........u were very racial to
1. Biharis calling them chor constantly!
2. Muslims
3. Were not quoting properly throughout
4. Calling all Indians as "Mentally Unfit"

Now did I complaint to Gods/Mods of this forum??
U shud not start a thread if u dont have guts to reply to others/opponents. OK??
Why are u chickening out anyway?? Are my posts too lengthy for u or u taste some sour truth there?? Take ur time post it next week .... I'll be waiting!

I advice u to stay outta FIGHT CLUB...coz u'll get similar replies particularly for ur posts and its not a place for a Softy like u....!! Coz u'll again start a thread...then others will laugh at ur baseless/fantasy like posts...then u'll cry, call em idiot in frustration and chicken out in between!!

Neways MODS u can close it now.....as the creator himself is quitting and nobody in this FIGHT CLUB is thick skinned enough to play with me !

Neways @uttora Babu....Lets be friends again. ANd dont make baseless statements in next fight club ...coz
1. Thats against forum rules
2. Pisses me off
3. Nobody likes it

Is it OK u guys/Farangi supporters ............or still wanna play?? I thought some 2-3 pages more will be continued but its only 3 pages and topic is at the end....Am SAD!!
So..."what should be india's national language?".....hehe!

[nikku12982]

after two days it is good to see that hindi is leading by good majority and seen good response by "mediator" to immature act by "uttoransen".If u will try to conduct a survey or poll by south India(except T.N) they will support hindi as national langauge.But still they will feel proud of their regional language.Because i have seen most people(in south cities) will respond u well in hindi rather than any other language.
One thing more if u see FM radio in some south cities they have maintained good way of praising national language with their regional language, i have seen all people enjoying.........
This langauge brings national integration between the diverse community of our country.So please stop abusing hindi any more,If any body comes out opposing hindi,he can't escape..........

[led_shankar]

@mediator: when I said I was interested, I did not mean that I wanted to bicker about it; I was plain curious :rolleyes:

And I did not quit this 'debate'; This is not a debate at all

And personal atttacks refers to crap like this:


@uttorasen...Oh u qouting now...I'm so excited!!


and
Atleast for once use ur mind!!

and

Looks like ur post!



So man...First u say "where is hindi"...then u say "There is hindi". ARe u OK?? Which post of urs shud I play with??



MAn debates are meant to be speaking with strong,convincing statements and not to by uttering whateva baseless,stupid thing that comes in ur mind. U r making a BIG JOKE OF URSELF here by contradicting ur very own foundation of this thread, ur statements.
U HAVE BEEN CHECKMATED! Now if u wanna held ur repute high or atleast have little bit of self esteem the n I beg not to bow in front of foreigners!
Any more posts from u.....I'll consider them either jokes now or a time pass!

and

What does that mean...?? If I am intelligent..then ur intelligent also?? Are u kidding me? U have made enough joke of urself. U r nowhere near intelligent now!

and


Again Uttora Babu can u explain how relevant ths post of urs is in this topic? Shud I start calling u Mr.UttoraNonsense again?? Then u'll go to mods like a child and say that mediator is making fun of me.
Wake up man if u continue like this not only I but others will also make fun of u.

and

Reading all my posts I though nobody will ever dare to vote for English. But I guess either u havent rea them properly or u r absolutely Dumb or dont understand ENGLISH very well....coz u have so many vocablury,clauses,grammer errors in your posts. But u still say English!! Do u speak bangla also with so many language errors?.

I guess u'll remain Dumb as ever! A clear characteristic of LEFT LEADERS, CPM supporters!


and


Why is there no relation?? Its a clear analogy. I guess u never been thought with analogy. Even a child can understand this. Well the posts u dont understand...Do u reply them as stupid?? Explain!!

and

Hahahahaha...thats the Joke of the Year Mr.UttoraNonsense! as I thought ur too confused and need some enlightenment!

and

Please @uttoranonsense........I thin u can please me with ur Jokes. So please keep posting such Nonsense here. Not good for forums...but entertaining for me atleast!!

and

WERE U TRYING TO MAKE A BIG JOKE/MOCKERY OF URSELF THE WHOLE TIME AND ENLIGHTENING OTHERS OF HOW DUMB U R??


^That is why i am 'quitting' this debate. I have no respect for people who do not know how to argue in a dignified manner.
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Bhai Log, yeh Mahabharat band karo. Lets all debate in cool and calm manner without being aggressive.

^^+1

[__Virus__]

I dont really think Hindi or any Mother tongue should be. My full love to hindi and my mother tongue but still precisely speaking how many of us will be ready to speak in Hindi at a meet/function/outing/treat blabla.. well not much. This doenst really justifices my point but nationalising Hindi wudnt really help us out. I was in Delhi last year and was quiet surprised by Hindi all over.. Bus boards/bill boards/addresses etc etc.. I mean it was difficult for me even to understand what was what and what was not.. I know how to read/write Hindi and I was topper in my class but still I dont really think Hindi fits the bill to fullest.

[Yamaraj]

I don't understand why people shy away from Hindi so much. If southerners
can learn to speak and write in English, what makes Hindi so difficult? IMHO,
it's only ugly regionalism at play. They suport English as the national language,
only because they cannot tolerate Hindi and northerners.

And please, cut that Urdu crap. Urdu is written in Farsi, but spoken in Hindi.
Hindi is widely spoken and understood, not only all over India, but in other
South-Asian countries too. Even Afghans understand and can speak in Hindi.

No doubt, English is the International language of comminication and economy.
But people suggesting that English should be made our national language are
out of their respective minds. France, Germany, Japan, Russia, China, Brazil
and many other countries have done well without spineless dependency on a
foreign language. It's just that most of us Indians happen to have little self-
esteem and self-respect. 200 years of slavery to the British have changed
the way we think and act. What we need is to get ourselves together and learn
to respect *our* heritage and history.

There is another analysis to this English problem. It's no secret that majority
of Indian males drool after the firangi girls, regardless of their origin and language.
The apparant sexiness of their females somehow makes English a sexy language,
or so what fellow Indians tend to think. This mentality makes them believe
that Hindi is a 'ganwar' language, only for Biharis.

With this mindset, people, we're not going to become a developed nation anywhere
near 2025 as our President tends to believe. Until and unless we learn to
respect our culture, heritage, history, languages and ourselves, this part of
the World will always be looked down as a ghetto, slum and a bunch of Third
World nations.
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i feel tortured each time those morons shift to hindi stuff on tv (DD, we're talkin abt) in south India. Atleast here they must use translators and telecast shows in their regional languages or English. I dont f'ing know why the DD guyz give us Hindi commentary in our region even while they have a feed of english. Is it bcoz they what to irritate everyone here(more ppl speak English than Hindi here) or it is bcoz they are noobs who dont know how to give separate feeds for the south and the North
Except that the Southern English accent is so bad, I cannot even tolerate it
for a second. They speak English in Tamil, and that makes it Taminglish, not
English. I understand the sentiments of TN people associated with Tamil, but
their English love is beyond any rational comprehension. You people don't come
from The British Isles, do you?

What you need to do is spank your politicians and sink your regionalism into the
sea. To me, it's more of a political issue than anything else.

[paul_007]

I'm a proud hindi speaker , even in my office we all speak in HINDI.

[Vyasram]

@yamaraj

the thing is we dont know Hindi and most here consider learning it a waste of time. so if someone gives commentary in hindi , it looks as if they are doing it just to irritate us especially with a live feed of english commentary. the thing that matters is the spread of a language. english is the most spreaded language , get it

[mail2and]

Who is the Einstein who said Hindi is not spoken in Maharashtra and Punjab?

I'm from Punjab and I live in Mumbai. 99% of people I've met in Haryana, Punjab, Maharashtra(unless u go into the deep rural areas) speak Hindi.

We must understand that there are different dialects of Hindi just as there are different dialects of English. That isn't called abusing the language.

When I was in Chennai, everyone I met spoke to me only in Tamil. Even educated people never made any effort to communicate in English. I felt they purposely did so as they realized I wasn't a local.

Who says only 15% people speak Hindi? Are you even sane?

According to the 2001 census, there are 17 crore people in UP. 8 crore people in Bihar. Around 2 crore each in Haryana and Punjab. About a crore in Uttaranchal. 2.5 crores in Jharkhand. 6 crore in Madhya Pradesh. 3 crores in Chattisgarh. And around a crore people in Delhi. Do the math.

That's what happens when people don't drink Complan when they are small.

The problem with people in TN especially is that there is this 'hostility' towards the people north of the Vindhyas.

The common perception there is that north indians(esp UP people and Biharis) are fools. Well where do the maximum number of IAS, IPS, IFS officers come from?

Hindi is the 3th most spoken language in the world. http://www.krysstal.com/spoken.html

I can't speak Punjabi but I'm proud that I speak good Hindi. :)

Oh by the way, I study in one of the better commerce colleges in India and it is cool to speak in Hindi here :) We aren't English backside lickers, if you understand what I mean.

[Vyasram]

the basic necessity and need for a language is to understand one another and that cant be possible if anyone is stupid enough to think that their own language is the mightiest , joining with the majority will save enormous amt of time and there wont be any translation probs.

the words are "speak any language you want provided that all the listeners/conversationists who are listening to it know it". i'm not against any language but i just wanna say that forcing someone to practise a lang simply bcoz itz their national language is unfair. Listen this DD guyz

[busyanuj]

don't worry, chill out guyz. the Government of India ain't gonna change the national language depending upon the results of this poll.

anyways, I'll like to offer a small correction to my englishman brother mr. vyasram (in his post at 12:29PM) here:
there's no such word as "spreaded" in English.



P.S. I'll love to see you correcting me on this one :mrgreen: , if you can.




As for whoever said that Hindi isn't spoken in Punjab: I'd like to correct you on that one, but I can't. You haven't been to Punjab and/or you don't know. Hindi is still alive and widely spoken in Punjab.




I'm not here to argue in the favour of or voice my opinion against any language. Everyone loves the language he or she is comfortable conversing and writing in.

As for English, it's here to stay. But please don't murder it.

[Yamaraj]

the words are speak any language you want provided that all the listeners/conversationists who are listening to it know it.
Remember, an Englishman dies for every sentence of this calibre. Keep it up!

[mAYHEM]

I vote for English
Hindi is spoken in North-Western India bcoz it has similarities with local languages.

[mail2and]

I vote for English
Hindi is spoken in North-Western India bcoz it has similarities with local languages.

Did English originate in India? How many Indians speak English? What would the common man rather speak? India's national language is and will stay Hindi.

[mAYHEM]

English is more Universal Language than Hindi.And never mentioned that English orignated In India.It depends on the common man from where he is.

Acc to Wikipedia

A national language is a language (or language variant, i.e. dialect) which uniquely represents the national identity of a nation or country. A national language is used for political and legal discourse and so designated by a country's government.

Hindi doesn't fits the above two cases.
English fits the second case.

A national language is not to be confused with the predominant language, which is spoken by the majority of people from within a country's borders.
That says all

[Yamaraj]

English is more Universal Language than Hindi.And never mentioned that English orignated In India.It depends on the common man from where he is.
If you can convince the French, Russians, Germans, Japanese or Italians to accept
English as their national language, you'll have me by your side. And I don't care
for "The Common (wo)man", the type that speak broken English all the time only
to feel special, or for cheap ego satisfaction.

[Vyasram]

Remember, an Englishman dies for every sentence of this calibre. Keep it up!


lol, thats a typo... edited
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If you can convince the French, Russians, Germans, Japanese or Italians to accept
English as their national language, you'll have me by your side. And I don't care
for "The Common (wo)man", the type that speak broken English all the time only
to feel special, or for cheap ego satisfaction.

enough, how abt developing a single hybrid of all the langs in the world so that all ppl will accept it. btw i dont see that happenning

[mAYHEM]

Our laws and Constitution r in English why were they not written in Hindi or any other Local Language.

[praka123]

about hindi guys,In my Lang there is a proverb "Pottakinattile Tavala" ie,small frog in a small pool.u ppl r like that.you thought that india is full of Hindi,thats wrong wrong and wrong.:twisted: we need english only the poll is manipualted!how?'coz hindiwalle will only vote Hindi!.
u r thinging imperialistic of ur Hindusthaan,but fails to have the brain focussing 2wards Tamil naad and south except Karnatak been polluted i mean bcame hybrid of southnnorth.i watch hindi channels esp zee news they r not at all considered about south except B;lore.while south indian channels esp Maran's channels sun,udaya,surya etc... are reporting news from allover india without any caps on north.I know even if north try its best,Tamilnaad,kerala and Andhra cannot accept hindi supremacy.got it bacche log?:mrgreen:

ps:dont get angry and put foul words.i had gone thru one.mind it i cant bear another 4 the sake of so called "fight club"

[mediator]

And personal atttacks refers to crap like this:

@uttorasen...Oh u qouting now...I'm so excited!!



Oh man u quoted a lot of my lines..hahaha. Nice!
Neways I was talking to @uttorasen....why are u so concerned?? Even if ur concerned...then go ahead read the whole debate of "Is America bettr than India"....U'll know what I mean!

hmmm....@led_shankar....Have you ever joined or participated in real debates?? I think you never had.......coz talking like this is never considered a personal remark. Debate is like a chess game...where remarks like this are necessary so that the opponent dont post hte same reply more than once, make baseless statements.

Ok if someone says baselessly that u r an idiot,u are good for nothing and talks whatever dirty about you that comes in his mind in front of everybody everyday........just like that. What will be ur reply to him?? Will u reply him nicely.....and beg him not to do that??

Go ahead read that "Is america better than India" Debate. I forgived him not quoting there, making baseless statements etc. But now if a person annoys u repeatedly what will u do?? Well I dunno about u but I like to annoy him in return tooo! Anyways these are not personal remarks!
Read some book on debates....u'll find more nasty techniques than this. And my posts liek this are too ethical to be called crap.
U have no idea what crap,persoanl remarks can be like!! Please read the previous debate too!


That is why i am 'quitting' this debate. I have no respect for people who do not know how to argue in a dignified manner.

Now tell me bro. Did I ever make any personal remark on u?? Coz I never saw u making any baseless,stupid statements like @uttora babu! Read all his posts and tell me if they make any sense. Read the whole debate of national language from the start and u'll know what I mean!


@Yamaraj.....Well said bro! 50 points to you. Seriously English supporters Have lost their respective minds to name some foreign language as national language. They have forgotten the definition of word "NATIONAL" (meaning orginating in India) and pride for their culture too!


the thing is we dont know Hindi and most here consider learning it a waste of time. so if someone gives commentary in hindi , it looks as if they are doing it just to irritate us especially with a live feed of english commentary. the thing that matters is the spread of a language. english is the most spreaded language , get it

So what will you do if u go to Sikkim,bihar,nepal,China,Japan etc etc??? Most of them dont know how to speak English or Tamil. As I said its the fault of commentator if he speaks in Hindi. I'm not saying to learn Hindi. But atleast name some Indian language to be called as national language according to its definition!!


@mail2and....50 points to u toooo! Anyways....wow that was cool....u blew the fuse of English supporters in one go by enlightening them of necessary facts and reality!


the words are speak any language you want provided that all the listeners/conversationists who are listening to it know it

This post of urs seem to me very much like the posts of @uttorasen cause of some English clause errors. Dont mind it...but are u alias of @uttorasen ?? Just asking!



forcing someone to practise a lang simply bcoz itz their national language is unfair. Listen this DD guyz

Who is forcing man?? Are u forced to speak Indian National Anthem?? Lalu was sitting on one of the national holiday functions when National anthem was being sung!!
If u dont like hindi then switch channel watch some other channel than DD. That simple!
What I wanna point is the Indian Language that is spoken the most is Hindi that orginated from Sankrit the mother of all Indian Langauges and may be the world. I can give u the facts...but then it wud be dumb if u ask for such facts as they well understood. Neways the poll of this debate gives u the facts itself!!


there's no such word as "spreaded" in English.

Well said. But bro u'll find plenty of such words from all English supporters here => vyasram,uttorasen. Read the whole debate. You'll find 1000s of such words from the main supporter @uttora who started this thread.
Thats ugly actually that they have so many grammer,clauses,vocablury errors in English and still try to make foreigners happy!

@busyanuj....50 points too u tooo!


You haven't been to Punjab and/or you don't know. Hindi is still alive and widely spoken in Punjab

I've been empasising on this but they fail to understand such simple fact and then later when I try to correct them they say I made fun of them !



As for English, it's here to stay. But please don't murder it.


Exactly it can become the second most widespread language. Also the second language the Indians speak......but not National Language even if it becomes more widespread than Hindi in future....coz it has not orginated in India and thats why not Indian and thats why cant become National Language!!


Remember, an Englishman dies for every sentence of this calibre. Keep it up!

Forget it bro...they dont understand such things as self-esteem or calibre or whateva related to ones morale!


I vote for English
Hindi is spoken in North-Western India bcoz it has similarities with local languages.

Still? Did u read all the posts of this debate?? U came rocking like @uttorasen...made ur statement...Do u know how many people now will laugh at u too as they laughed at @uttora??
I guess U aint read from the start.....thats why u still have a chance to change ur post......Go and read from the start, quote each line from post of every one who oppose English, tell ur reasons for opposing and then say that u like English still!
But if dont change ur opinion then I challenge u to continue here,fight like a man for ur word/statement......and dont chicken out like @uttorasen(the creator of this thread)! Wating for ur next post anxiously....


English is more Universal Language than Hindi

So did China,Russia,France,Germany etc etc and all changed to English?? Why do u bow to foreigners so much?? Do u still wanna confirm to them that u are their slave and will change ur Nations pride for them??

The world who now sees to India for some enlightening/steps first before taking their own step....will laugh at India because of Indians like u!


It depends on the common man from where he is.

What does this mean?? Explain! Will u change India's prime minister to Bush for same illogical,irrational reasoning??


A national language is a language (or language variant, i.e. dialect) which uniquely represents the national identity of a nation or country. A national language is used for political and legal discourse and so designated by a country's government.

Wow u searched the wiki?? I told the definition here itself. See man this is against forum rules to go on making ur statemnts in a debate without looking at others. If u came here new in this debate then u shud have read others posts first. Now shud i put all my previous replies specially for u?? Then u'll chicken out as well like @uttorasen!

Neways the deinitions from wiki that u posted themseff say a BIG no to English. Think about it!

Thats why I give u a chance to change ur opinion...change it to some other Indian language or whateva. I wont mind that....But if u still voice support for English then u'll have to deal with me for 4-5 pages more!! Believe me!!


about hindi guys,In my Lang there is a proverb "Pottakinattile Tavala" ie,small frog in a small pool.u ppl r like that.you thought that india is full of Hindi,thats wrong wrong and wrong. we need english only the poll is manipualted!how?'coz hindiwalle will only vote Hindi!.

Thats right hindi waala will vote hindi and tamil to tamil etc etc.So? How will it manipulate the poll? It shows how many pople all across the India vote for Hindi and know and speak hindi and have great respect for hindi. Well currently 32 % vote fro English. So shud I say like u that even 32 % is a great figure because of some manipulation?? That was indeed a very childish reply!

See man I have great respect for u....coz u have helped me a number of times in Open Source and QnA section. But dont make frustrated remarks for Hindi supporters or English opposers. If people from South are so much speaking English then why are not they here in a froum written in English?? And even if they are then why is the percentage of English still half of Hindi??
If u also make baseless comments like @uttorasen...then God help u. U know what I mean. I'll be the biggest opponent u'll face here for making baseless, frustrated remarks.


u r thinging imperialistic of ur Hindusthaan

Isnt it ur Hindustan??


even if north try its best,Tamilnaad,kerala and Andhra cannot accept hindi supremacy.got it bacche log?

u say u gone thru all the posts and facts and still dont think Hindi is most widely spoken?? nad how can u tell anyways that how many south Indians or North Indians are here?? Do u personally know each of them?? Didnt the pol of this topic enlighten u??
Hmmm....bacche log?? Dont mind it....but if I'll begin to speak on this then u too will chicken out like @uttorasen! I guess u were pretty excited for some reason when u made this post. I advice u not to do that in future and make the posts in a calm manner.....coz others can find flaw in your own debates and the make fun of you.
I saw u first time make such comments like "bacche log" in such a hot discussion. So I'm not speaking anything against you right now. But humbly request u to please dont do that in future.

This is getting interesting more farangi supporters are here to make foreigners happy so much that they will sell their ego,Inidan pride too for that! Common I'm ready to fight all of u in this Fight Club....but first u have to read all the posts here from the start....and have to quote each single line of all my replies here from the start.
Do that and I'll see u as a man who is strong enough to be called opponent to fight with!!

[led_shankar]

As you know, I am "quitting" this debate. I will reply only to those points directed at me.

@uttorasen....why are u so concerned??
I am not concerned for his sake (I hardly know him); I am concerned for the sake of the debate. The quality of the debate is ruined by personal attacks/comments.


.......where remarks like this are necessary so that the opponent dont post hte same reply more than once, make baseless statements.
you could have pointed out on the baselessness of the statements in a professional manner; What you did was more like two children squabbling on the street.


Go ahead read that "Is america better than India" Debate.
I did not read that thread because it was an extremely stupid topic.


Now tell me bro. Did I ever make any personal remark on u?? Coz I never saw u making any baseless,stupid statements like @uttora babu! Read all his posts and tell me if they make any sense. Read the whole debate of national language from the start and u'll know what I mean!

I think I have replied to this statement in my response to the first quote I made (in this post itself).


Okay, this is off-topic, but:

@Yamaraj.....Well said bro! 50 points to you. Seriously English supporters Have lost their respective minds to name some foreign language as national language. They have forgotten the definition of word "NATIONAL" (meaning orginating in India) and pride for their culture too!

remember how you fought in the Ganesh immersion thread? ;)

Oh, BTW,

Sankrit the mother of all Indian Langauges and may be the world
No. Dravidian languages, Andamanese languages, Tibeto-Burman and Austro-Asiatic languages have not originated from Sanskrit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_India

And Sanskrit is not the father/mother of all languages in the world at all. Sanskrit, Greek and Latin, according to the most prevalent theory, have been derived from a common ancestor. Moreover, Sinic languages (Japanese, Chinese etc.) come from a totally diferent ancestor.

^The only reason I'm mentioning this is because I have a subject on linguistics in college, and I just thought I'd chip in.


Do that and I'll see u as a man who is strong enough to be called opponent to fight with!!
Respect the debate, and I'll see you as a person sensible enough to fight with.

[mail2and]

about hindi guys,In my Lang there is a proverb "Pottakinattile Tavala" ie,small frog in a small pool.
There is a proverb in Hindi made famous by the movie Omkara.. 'Ch*tiye aur Bewakoof mein dhage bhar ka farak hota hai'
u ppl r like that.you thought that india is full of Hindi,thats wrong wrong and wrong.:twisted:

About 50 crore people speak Hindi natively. Around 20-30 crore can understand Hindi. Hmmm.. i pity your maths skills.

we need english only the poll is manipualted!how?'coz hindiwalle will only vote Hindi!.

Each person can vote only one time. If Hindi speaking people won't vote for Hindi.. whom will they vote for? Tamil or whatever language you speak?

u r thinging imperialistic of ur Hindusthaan

It's Hindustan not Hindusthaan. If you can't respect and spell the name of your country properly, I fear what else you can do against this land.

i watch hindi channels esp zee news they r not at all considered about south except B;lore.while south indian channels esp Maran's channels sun,udaya,surya etc...

Did you ever watch NDTV India or Aaj Tak. And you claim Zee News reports only North related news. Sheesh! You're such a regional fanatic.

I don't see any difference between you and the people who blew up trains in Mumbai.

[mediator]

What you did was more like two children squabbling on the street

I know that but read all his posts first and u'll find his posts like an ignorant 3rd grader making comments from his childish fantasies. I tried to persuade him humbly first. He didnt improved. Then he repeatedly made stupid/absurd and irrational statements. i warned him the last time. But after that had to talk to him like that only coz he kept on mumbling of whateva that came in his fantasy island/mind. Now did I spoke to u like that??
Ofcors if nobody makes baseless/irration/absurd statements then debate becomes more interesting. And read the froum rules tooo.... It says not to post such statements. Its against the forum rules.
So instead of telling him ur correcting me?? If he hadnt started that....then I also wudnt have corrected him. Anyways I still says these are not personal remarks!! Dont u argue on this one. Read books on debate and u know what i mean. If opponent is worthy of talking humbly then he is talked with all ethics. But if he breaks the code of conduct then how shud everybody talks to him?? Dont u see debates in parliament?? Anyways it is the last example i wud have given!


I did not read that thread because it was an extremely stupid topic.

Exactly.....but read last 10 posts there finishing from mine and u'll know what i mean!


remember how you fought in the Ganesh immersion thread?

Hehehe.....Please dont u bring that here...He has made frinds with me now.U trying to break that friendship now??


Respect the debate, and I'll see you as a person sensible enough to fight with.

Oh I do!! But man really.....stupid/irrational/absurd posts really pisses me off...if debate is already ruined by such posts then who am I to disrespect the debate! But still I havent disprespected it at all!

well about ur edited post now about sanskrit being mother of all languages in India.......I read it in my history books. My sanskrit teachers tells me that and many many more elders. Please I request u not to make Wiki a reference for ur daily help. It will ruin ur life. Some of the info in wiki is correct. Anyways how does wiki gets its database...Ever wondered?? Wiki is my last resort to gather information!
anyways yeah...I did persuaded him in my most humble manner and rebuked as u said and I have a lotta patience too to wait for other to improve. But....what more can I do??

[led_shankar]

uh...mediator, sorry, but I just added something to my previous post. Please read it.

And you could have rebuked him for his "irrational" comments in a civilised manner too. You were saying things about his reputation etc., which were not needed.

[gxsaurav]

I wonder what’s the problem of u guys here, why do some guys think we north Indian people suck, I mean what the hell, north or south, we are Indians

U come to U.P., we speak all languages here, doesn't matter what, Muslim speak Urdu, cos they like it, they find it more comfortable, however they are not saying that it should be our national language, cos our nationality is Indian, we speak Hindi. Punjabi, Marathi, Guajarati speak there own languages, nobody cares for that, simply, it should be something that the other one can understand

One Quote from a Movie of Amitabh Bachchan, "I can talk in English, I can walk in English, because English is a very funnnny language". English has 26 letters, including 5 vowels, however...Hindi has much more vowels & letters, and we can speak such words in Hindi, which cannot be said in English

Most people here don't even speak the true English, they speak mixed up American English, while the real British English is what it is, however, just like every country having its own history, style, and they have their own language which they find better then English or Hindi. U can't go to Germany & tell them to switch to English or Hindi, can U?

Stick to what u like, doesn't matter, u like Tamil ok, speak that, u like Marathi ok, speak that, but u can't say everyone to switch to English, that’s baseless

What do we say in Hindi “jaisa desh vaisa bhes”

[alanpaladka]

Hindi should be the National Language.

[led_shankar]

well about ur edited post now about sanskrit being mother of all languages in India.......I read it in my history books. My sanskrit teachers tells me that and many many more elders. Please I request u not to make Wiki a reference for ur daily help. It will ruin ur life. Some of the info in wiki is correct. Anyways how does wiki gets its database...Ever wondered?? Wiki is my last resort to gather information!
anyways yeah...I did persuaded him in my most humble manner and rebuked as u said and I have a lotta patience too to wait for other to improve. But....what more can I do??

The mother of all languages part was not from wikipedia. My linguistics (lingutics, mind it; not english/hindi/sanskrit) teacher told me that.

Also, I put that link there just in case you/someone else wanted to know more abou the terms (like Tibeto-Burman etc.) I put there; It was not my reference.
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P.S. - I can assure you history books are worse than wikipedia :rolleyes:

[mediator]

@led_shankar......no bro! Believe me atleast all the Indian languages are from Sanskrit...may be the world too. Ask ur elders,ur grandma,ur great grandma, some sanskrit scholar or even the researchers on Indian history. I can bet on this one. Only the accent,dialects have changed. But if u'll try to connect them....u'll know urself! But lets forget it.....its a different issue and not connected with this debate!!

[praka123]

English needs to be the national language.
i cant understand y u ppl cant think about south.I know that people from north are not aware of the conditions in south.they most probably come to B'lore or Hyderabad or other big towns and they r very happy to find the shopkeeper replying in Hindi!then assumes that all knows hindi and pretending that they dont.U know one thing FYI,In my city cochin/ernakulam only 2/3 days will a hindi film plays normally also theatre will be empty:mrgreen: JFYI,have ur minds really opened towards south and understand south is much diffrnt.
@mail2and:the no of hindi speakers are not at ALL needed here.i said poll is manipulated in the sense ppl voting for Hindi dont know the exact level of penetration of hindi.i dont want ur lessons on maths or grammer classes and quoting 3rd level proverbs in hindi :mad:
I don't see any difference between you and the people who blew up trains in Mumbai. Pathetic u r .i tried saying and arguing for truth.but no use with hindi fanatics.
@mediator:i dont want 2 argue with u.I'll be in opensource. ;)

[mediator]

@prakash.......About the post being manipulated....thats really absurd/irrational ! Are the mods of this forum biased against u or the south Indians?? That was soo childsish. If u dont like Hindi then say straight forward. If dont want it to become national language then say it straight forward. But stop making such childish posts.

Man I have great respect for u.....so I dont wanna say anything for u like i said for @uttorasen! I'll rather quit this debate.

But it really makes me sad that such a noble guy like u are making such baseless/absurd statements!!
I have covered mostly all the south in past years. And many T.N people understand hindi and some speak too! My uncle is south Indian.....so sometimes I visit south. So dont tell like anyone dont know about the situation in South. Instead I think ur the one who needs to tour the whole of India.

And please as I said (I'm tired now) please vote for some Indian(one orginated in India) language to be national language. But still u say English?? Cant u understand a simple point?? Ok vote for tamil...but please stop talking abt english for god sake!


i cant understand y u ppl cant think about south

Bro......Nobody must be thinking about south like we north Indians do. Just come to the north...u'll find urself. And in this debate only I got to know that u south Indians do regionalism over Hindi and hate north Indians! Its about an year now for my revisit to T.N. But is that true??
If u wanna oppose me....then its alright.....quote each single line from all my posts here...coz I see u have not quoted or replied to even 10 percent of all my total posts here!

Neways U have made a great repute here in this forums....and joined it earlier than I did. But then dont let that repute go to waste and others mocking u in near future like @uttoransen by posting baseless/absurd/irrational replies!
I dont want to go after u like @uttora........coz i dont want ppl laughing at u too!
Neways I'll tend to ignore ur posts I guess. Maybe other Hindi supporters and english opposers can take care of u! But please read al my posts and think about it for a second!

[SolidSnake]

I think we should be pround of our languages. Be it Europeans (non UK)/East Asians/South Americans/Africans/Arabs, they are all fiercely proud of their languages. I used to work in a Danish NGO and everytime two Danes met, the conversation was always in Danish, you wouldn't see any non-(native)-English speaking country so mad about English as we are. The utility of English is vastly exaggerated, a Nation does not need English to progress other wise many of African Countries would have been economic powerhouse. Infact we would have been better off if English had been kicked out immedietely after Independence.

Why don't we use our languages for everything, be it administration, education, judicial system. Why don't we translate Science, Maths, Medical Science books in our languages, it is not Rocket Science. Ideally Hindi should be connecting language among various states of India with each state using its own language. We should also make students (for example from North) learn other Indian languages (and vice versa), we should also teach them more about other states/cultures, we all are so ignorant about each other. We hardly know about our Country.

[mail2and]

I think we should be pround of our languages. Be it Europeans (non UK)/East Asians/South Americans/Africans/Arabs, they are all fiercely proud of their languages. I used to work in a Danish NGO and everytime two Danes met, the conversation was always in Danish, you wouldn't see any non-(native)-English speaking country so mad about English as we are. The utility of English is vastly exaggerated, a Nation does not need English to progress other wise many of African Countries would have been economic powerhouse. Infact we would have been better off if English had been kicked out immedietely after Independence.

Why don't we use our languages for everything, be it administration, education, judicial system. Why don't we translate Science, Maths, Medical Science books in our languages, it is not Rocket Science. Ideally Hindi should be connecting language among various states of India with each state using its own language. We should also make students (for example from North) learn other Indian languages (and vice versa), we should also teach them more about other states/cultures, we all are so ignorant about each other. We hardly know about our Country.

Very good post.

We can also take the example of America. Most people there speak English. But, in the former Spanish colonies, Spanish is the more dominant language. But, still English remains their primary and national language.

If we can speak English, it should be a value addition to our CV and not something which we should force down on any other person's throat.



@ Anti-hindi guys
On the other hand, Hindi is an Indian language spoken by over half the population and understood by over 70% as I had mentioned in my previous posts which 'anti-Hindi pro-English backside lickers' conveniently chose to ignore. If you have a point, then I challenge you to quote each and every single line of what I have posted and THEN reply to each single point rather than picking and choosing whatever you like.

My mother tongue is Punjabi, but I can't speak a word of Punjabi. I've always been taught to converse in Hindi at home.

The point is that prejudiced people don't go anywhere in life. In 2006, these people talk about regionalism. That's why i don't find any difference between such people and the terrorists who carry out dastardly activities.

[nik_for_you]

what about old sign language!!!! :)