Nokia versus Sony Ericsson [Archive]

lighthouse911

08-11-2004, 10:38 PM

It used to be nokia... But Year 2003 belonged TO SE.There is no doubt abt that.....
Nokia has got better range but that is of no use because most of the phones are exact clones of each other
7210=6610=6100
7250i=6610i
6510=8310

Even in case of SE that is happening
T610=T630=Z600

anyway It all depends on personal preferences....

Nokia makes great smartphones and it also has a winner in normal phone category in the form of 6230.But yet things are surely abt to change...Se is here and It's here to stay....u won't ever get bored with Se but with nokia with the same old boring menu u would get bored within a week.......

Take the example of 6230.great phone with great features,Yet u will get bored of the bad lookin UI in a week..with SE u can do so much. themes,screensavers,BIGGER java Games,Better sound quality....

Nokia is way better in reception but nothin comes near a sonyericsson in terms of voice quality...

and speakin of range

T230(4.5k) vs 3120(6.5k)

here nokia has better features but it is way costly

T610(9k) vs 6610i (9.5k)

T610 is phone of the year.6610i is 7250i repackaged.

K700i(16k) vs 6230(15k)

6230 has mem card and Edge...other then that it gets it's ass spanked all over by K700i. Screen,Camera,Amazing UI,#D java ,Flash and what not....and then that beautiful sounding Mp3 player...

7610(24k) vs P900(38k)

Yaaa, That is why I say SE's portfolio is incomplete.It does ot have a good cheap smartphone to take on the likes of 6600 and 7610...

so I have to agree with u all..That presently nokia is better. :)

But who knows?? maybe next year they will swap places!!

lighthouse911

08-11-2004, 10:47 PM

all nokia phones(except 3650,3310,7650,6600) rattle very much....

this I am saying frm personal experience.. NOkia's build quality is pathetic...If u do not believe me then try 6610,7250,6230 and all these phones supposed to be high end...

and after that hold a k700i or T610 in ur hand...
You will urself know which phone has a better build quality!

gxsaurav

08-11-2004, 11:15 PM

I got SE K500i so I recomend it

The thing is Nokia has a lot of phones in the value segment due to which it has a big market share overall,they provide only the features which U would want from a 5k or 7k phone ,nothing more nothing less

The really need to launch some cheap 64K color based model & clamshell models, or they will soon lose to Samsung, cos they rule the clam shell market

SE, well, they sale for Quality, & high tech, can U belive a phone like K500i for 11k, with this much features & a extremely nice Cam,

None of the Nokia Smartophones, not even 7610 matches the P800,P900 & P910i in performance & quality,

SE goes for symetrical designes, simple ones, nokia, all are bar types, samsung, clamshell is the way to go

Nokia needs to produce some phone swith 64K color, bluetooth & 16MB+ non expandable memory (expandable will cost more) for less then 10k if they want to cpmpete, the days of 4096 colors are gone now

Anyway it also depends on the user, what he prefers, I had a Nokia 3315 before the K500i, & belive I never though of Nokia 6610i insted of k500i, reason, the features I wanted were given better in the K500i

freshseasons

08-11-2004, 11:55 PM

k500i is a world apart phone ...and the Price to performance ratio is superb...the camers shutter looks kinda Good...anyway Where NOKIa is Maruti..made for all and each ....Sony Ericsson is SKODA....Quality obssessed...
And has anyone used t610 and t630 or k500i or k700i....the placement of the button is just a tad way too perfect...
MOREEVER the MAJOR Difference between Sonyericsson phone and Nokia ( for that samsing , motorolla, Lg ) is Sonyericsson doesnt use Proprietor software...like nokia and other..meaning you can use windows Xp or 98 inbuilt infrared or Bluetoth to connect the phone and transfer games and images...
Forthose stuck with Nokia and Samsung ...its just too adventurous connecting the phone everytime to the PC and Crossing Fingures...that everything will go right...Sonyericsson rules right Away...
Other thing the Battery life...SonyEricsson rules again.....Well i have three mobiles to my disposition ...Sonyericsson k500i , Nokia 3105 , E700 Samsung ( my wifes ) ...Nokia QD ...and of all the Phones ...SonyERICSSON k500i RULES..

lighthouse911

09-11-2004, 12:59 AM

I used to have a k700i and I have exactly the same good feelings abt it.......man o man..what a phone!

drgrudge

09-11-2004, 01:06 AM

all nokia phones(except 3650,3310,7650,6600) rattle very much....
wht u mean by rattle?

this I am saying frm personal experience.. NOkia's build quality is pathetic...If u do not believe me then try 6610,7250,6230 and all these phones supposed to be high end...
nokia 6610, 7250i are the best in terms of build quality, the keypads as well as the overall body make is good..., i have dropped my 6610 a couple of times and still it works good...

DID U READ THE REVIEW IN DIGIT , NOKIA MODELS ARE THE BEST IN TERMS OF BUILT AND MAKE.....

I got SE K500i so I recomend it
everyone will recomend a mobile which they have....., so dont tell that i have this model and make and all u guys go for this.....

SE goes for symetrical designes, simple ones, nokia, all are bar types, samsung, clamshell is the way to go
who told nokia models are all bar types... do u know what shape 7600 is? it is a leaf shapped one, and the recent 7610 is not a bar shapped one...and the n gage QD , it is not a usuall bar type....

Nokia needs to produce some phone swith 64K color, bluetooth & 16MB+ non expandable memory (expandable will cost more) for less then 10k if they want to cpmpete, the days of 4096 colors are gone now
all these feature would cost a bomb..., not 10 k....and i think all these features comes in 6600, which costs 16k

Where NOKIa is Maruti..made for all and each ....Sony Ericsson is SKODA....Quality obssessed...
i think it is the other way around...

Other thing the Battery life...SonyEricsson rules again....
it all depends upon wht kinda nokia phone u have.., not all nokia phones have low/less battery life....

SonyERICSSON k500i RULES..
nokia 7610 rulezzz

gxsaurav

09-11-2004, 09:24 AM

drgrudge

Ok, tell me the samsung X600 provides 64K color, IrDA, 10 MB memory & still costs 9k, how they made it this much cheap

Nokia's leaf designs are not standerd, I m not talking about them,, in that case we also have S700i, revolving, Motoroal V70 revolving, Samsung E800, slide open, they are also original designs

One thing is that I don't like the E800 or S700i, reason, due to this revolving & slide open they become to fat, k500i is .5 inch fat, k700i .5 again, S700i in 1 inch thick when both parts are closed

Nemesis

09-11-2004, 10:44 AM

well first of all...u cannot compare the SE P900/910 with a nokia 7610...come on!!! the only current nokia phone that can even come close is the communicator but even then it falls behind....and nokia needs 2 start makin 262k color display phones....and they should start making phones that r different rather than make 3 different designs and give em the same basic features....gx, u say that the samsung x600 gives u a 64k screen, IrDA, 10Mb memory and still costs only 9k but u had asked 4 a phone with 16MB+ memory and bluetooth 4 less than 10k....the X600 has neither so it is cheaper....i dont know how much the S700 costs but if it is under 30k, then it is a 7610 killer 4 sure...but i would still say that nokias r better when it comes 2 signal strength and reliability...they also give u better prices if u wanna sell em....

drgrudge

09-11-2004, 11:21 AM

gx, u say that the samsung x600 gives u a 64k screen, IrDA, 10Mb memory and still costs only 9k but u had asked 4 a phone with 16MB+ memory and bluetooth 4 less than 10k....the X600 has neither so it is cheaper....
nemisis u said it all, wht i wanted to say....

i dont know how much the S700 costs but if it is under 30k, then it is a 7610 killer 4 sure...
nokia 7610 is a bit costlier, i do agree but, it has a hell lot of features too
1 megapixel camera, 128mb memory card...and 265k color display, and extra large size screen...

SmoothCriminal

09-11-2004, 11:40 AM

Does SE have any equals for 3660/6600 in the same price range? Thats my Qn.. These are really great phones.. And i dont think SE has anything like that.. T610/T630 comes close, but not as good as these..

freshseasons

09-11-2004, 11:44 AM

Where NOKIa is Maruti..made for all and each ....Sony Ericsson is SKODA....Quality obssessed...
i think it is the other way around...
Well you think but it isnt...compare all the of nokia phone range to range and we see SE beating Nokia..Mercedes should i call it rather :P
Other thing the Battery life...SonyEricsson rules again....
it all depends upon wht kinda nokia phone u have.., not all nokia phones have low/less battery life....
Still compare the phnes range to range like t100 and 3610 or so ...SE beats Nokia there..

SonyERICSSON k500i RULES..
nokia 7610 rulezzz
Hmmm So its not Nokia 7610 but Sonyericsson P910 Rulezzzzzz

LOLz stop if pretty funny...@drgrudge why start the poll in the first place if all your opinions are pretty set...you seem a die hard nokia fan good and great but starting a Poll just to prove it.... :P he he he ..MERI MURGI KI EK TANG.
Peace ....

drgrudge

09-11-2004, 12:58 PM

LOLz stop if pretty funny...@drgrudge why start the poll in the first place if all your opinions are pretty set...you seem a die hard nokia fan good and great but starting a Poll just to prove it....
i jus expressed my view...., jus wanted to see if what the other members want to say.....

he he he ..MERI MURGI KI EK TANG.
hehehe
muhahaha muhahhaa , every funny.....
:twisted:

lighthouse911

09-11-2004, 03:45 PM

By rattle I mean that body covers on most nokia's are not tight fitting.
The build quality leaves a lot to be desired.. My dad also has a 6610 and it as very bad build quality(Although I must admit that it is very strong phone)

Anyway the upcoming 9500 is going to kick P900's ass reallyyyy hard.

:)

drgrudge

09-11-2004, 05:28 PM

My dad also has a 6610 and it as very bad build quality(Although I must admit that it is very strong phone)
6610 is a strong phone and a bad built quality :o

Abhijit_T

09-11-2004, 06:37 PM

I said it twice earlier, and I say it again -
"All those who criticize SE have never used a SE phone in their life"

Ur talking about better build quality of Nokia over SE?
Man, a blind man can tell which phone is nokia and which is SE when both phones are given in his hand, Nokia build quality sucks that much!!!!!
The Nokia GUI is the worst I've ever seen in my life, period
U say Nokia offers a lot of models, whats the use if most of the models are similar to each other except the design?(Which also changes only slightly)
And heres a fact - No phone ever has and never will replicate the success of the SE T610, no Nokia phone atleast
SmoothCriminal, what SE phone compares to 3660/6600?
Well, what about the K700i?Although I wouldn't say it compares, as it totally kicks both their a****
Come on SE lovers, lets show these Nokia fanboys what SE really is!!!!

ishaan

09-11-2004, 06:53 PM

SE ROX

i got a p900 it plain rox

i used 2 totally luv nokia but now i like se more

tho im not saying nokias bad....but se is better :lol:

rohanbee

09-11-2004, 07:08 PM

SONY ERICSSON RULES

ive always had a ericsson phone (5 to be precise till now!!!) . Top notch quality and top notch service (maybe slightly a few years back). They not only are on top for cutting edge technology but also good value for money paid.

Asthetically also sony rules the roost.............nokia seems quite confused about what its doing?!

Agreed that nokia has the value conscious market covered but where top of the line is sony ericsson is the rolls royce and nokia is the maruti..........

Abhijit_T

09-11-2004, 09:17 PM

Woohoo!!!!!
We're winning!!!!!!

lighthouse911

09-11-2004, 10:46 PM

It's plane and simple
SE UI is just like WINDOWS XP

Nokia is more like DOS

Nokia is faster But SO BORINg :)

lighthouse911

09-11-2004, 10:51 PM

My dad also has a 6610 and it as very bad build quality(Although I must admit that it is very strong phone)
6610 is a strong phone and a bad built quality :o

WHat I meant that 6610 is very loosely assembled.The covers do not properly fit on the main body..

BY "STRONG" I meant that If the mobile phone falls It would not break easily....

Now go and analyse these statements before making another "Pro Nokia" post.....

Nokia is good BUt SE RULEZ.

SmoothCriminal

10-11-2004, 12:24 AM

Well, what about the K700i?Although I wouldn't say it compares, as it totally kicks both their a****

Woohoo!!!!!
We're winning!!!!!!

Comon.. we're not kids to fite, mine is good and urs is not.. Just becoz u have a SE.. I have used Moto C350, SE T105, Nokia 2100 and now Noia 3660.. so to me, Nokia is the BEST..

Ok u guys answer me the foll Qns.. Why are Nokia phones the most successful.. not only in India, but throughtout the world.. I hope u agree Nokia sells more than any other phone.. if u dont bliv this also, i can nbring stats fomr the web..

Lemme tell u.. SE T610 has a STN disp thou its 65k.. 3660 & 6600 have TFT disp.. T610 has no video recrding btw.. Can u install software like Bluejack on these? Ofcourse i do agree SE phones have their own softwwre.. but they are limited.. Do u have a "call Cheater' software's replica for SE?

Coming to K700i, well i do agree its a good phone.. But tell me what about memory.. it has just a 2 MB memory.. while u can put a MMC card of upto 1024 MB on 3660/6600.. i mean there's no MMC slot in K700i.. so whats the use? how much customisation can u make..

Further K700i hasnt got a Symbian OS..

Finally tell me one EDGE enabled SE phone.. I dont know if one exists.. if so, lemme know.. Nokia has 3220, 6220, 6230 etc..

So now.. Nokia Rules.. if u can prove my points wrong..!

SmoothCriminal

10-11-2004, 12:32 AM

WHat I meant that 6610 is very loosely assembled.The covers do not properly fit on the main body..

BY "STRONG" I meant that If the mobile phone falls It would not break easily....

Now go and analyse these statements before making another "Pro Nokia" post.....

Nokia is good BUt SE RULEZ.

I gfuess ur local vendor has cheated u with a phone with changed Panel.. Nokia phones are known for their COMPACT assembly.. Even our drgrudge has 6610.. ask him..!
!

It's plane and simple
SE UI is just like WINDOWS XP

Nokia is more like DOS

Nokia is faster But SO BORINg

Really funny... Nokia 3660/6600 have Symbian OS which are renowned throughout the world.. Tell me what OS SE T610 and K700i have?.. Its really funny that u're comparing XP to SE..! It shd be vice versa..!

drgrudge

10-11-2004, 12:47 AM

I said it twice earlier, and I say it again -
"All those who criticize SE have never used a SE phone in their life"
i had once used SE t105, it was a damp squib.... it had a weak signal reception, and it dint have a good value for money , after i wanted to sell it...

The Nokia GUI is the worst I've ever seen in my life, period
man nokia gui is the best...., if u talk abt anything other, i can accept, but in terms of GUI, nokia rulezzz
u guys simply want to propagate SE blindly...

U say Nokia offers a lot of models, whats the use if most of the models are similar to each other except the design?(Which also changes only slightly)
u know even SE have similar models
t100 and t105
t630 and t610
remember nokia has a really wide range and they have slight similarity btwn them..
and talking abt design, 7600 is a leaf shapped one and 7610 is also a different model, not a usual bar shapped one...

Come on SE lovers, lets show these Nokia fanboys what SE really is!!!!
at the end of the day, we see who the winner is....

Agreed that nokia has the value conscious market covered but where top of the line is sony ericsson is the rolls royce and nokia is the maruti..........
u compare mobs and cars, ok...
shall i tell mine...
nokia = skoda (obbesed with quality)
SE = old lambreta :D

Woohoo!!!!!
We're winning!!!!!!
R u a kid to tell, u r winning and all? wait till the end of day,

NO ELECTION IS WON AFTER EVERY SINGLE VOTE HAS BEEN COUNTED

drgrudge

10-11-2004, 12:49 AM

and another thought:
DOES SE HAS A CDMA ENABLED PHONE?
nokia has that too: 3105, 2280 ,etc...

lighthouse911

10-11-2004, 01:12 AM

Uff I have got Tired of fighting But I guess I have to reply here...

See You reall cannot compare a NORMAL phone TO a SMARTPHONE!
When will u guys understand that!

For GOD"S sake If u want to compare nokia smartphones then go and look at P900... and do not mention the price factor..compare smartphone to a smartphone

compare phones like T610,K700i to normal Nokia phones like 6230,7250,6610i,6170,etc....

smartphones are different and everyone knowas that Nokia makes the world's BEST "Cheap" smartphones like 3660,6600....

and fr ur kind information all these symbian software's like "bluejack, "callcheater, and "total ir" can also be installed on P800,900,910

Now tell me which UI will u prefer 6230 or K700i
there is no comparison mate

which UI would u like 7610 or P910i???

and u say that nokia is a market leader in phones???
some people never learn and in turn misguide others
anyway it is good beacuse i do not think there is a mody arnd here to take care of flames!

do u know nokia has come down frm 37% to somewhere arnd 27%
do u know Se started making phones only in 2002]]

p.s. this all is rubbish talk.Let's close this thread.We can do better things then flame each other!

@drgrudge

how can having CDMA phones make Nokia a better choice???
Do u know SE has 23 3G models in Japan.Does that make SE a better choice

also SE is going to launch V800 which does have edge...

frostt

10-11-2004, 01:44 AM

dude......V800 isnt going to be launched for asia it seems.....i am sorry to contradict there.....it is solely for cingular as for now....

As for this topic it is very intesting..although i voted for nokia, i have 2 agree that this year belonged to sony...with phones like the K700i,S700 and P910i....it crushed all the competition it had...but what next.....sony has got no other plans left as there are no announcments for new phones....nokia on the other hand has already announced that it will launch 40 new phones next year....

So it is a very difficult topic to continue....nokia had been leading the stage...but his year sony appeared on top.....with samsung and motorola close behind......

SmoothCriminal

10-11-2004, 01:52 AM

Thats why.. u r rite.. SE is always laggin bhind..

@lighthouse: and btw.. have ur facts rite..

V800 is NOT EDGE enabled..

http://phone.mobile9.com/sony-ericsson/v800/

and Sony ericsson started mkin phones only in 2002 huh.. well Sony was a separate company, and ericsson was separate,., they've been in the indutry since inception.. u haven't seens sony phones and ericsson phones?? both were big failures and hence they joined togehte... nothing els.e.!

u r posting ur own facts huh!??!

OK.. leme compare P900 with Nokia 9500.. . 9500 is EDGE enabled.. Its also Wi-Fi enabled.. while P900 isnt EDGE/Wi-fi enabled..

further.. P900 has an internal memory of 16 MB while an expansinon slot for 32 MB is provided..

9500 has 80 MB internal memory plus a MMC slot (upto 1 GB)..

P900 is a Symbian phone.. well.. most Nokia phones above 10k are Symbian.. while SE has only its trump card: P900/800 as Symbian..!

drgrudge

10-11-2004, 01:53 AM

smartphones are different and everyone knowas that Nokia makes the world's BEST "Cheap" smartphones like 3660,6600....
6600 costs rs 16k and 3660 costs rs. 17k, do u mean to say they are cheap?

Now tell me which UI will u prefer 6230 or K700i
there is no comparison mate

which UI would u like 7610 or P910i???
6230 costs much less than p910i.. p910i costs around 40k....

and u say that nokia is a market leader in phones???
some people never learn and in turn misguide others
do you still have doubt , over, which is the market leader, in india alone 35% market share..

@drgrudge

how can having CDMA phones make Nokia a better choice???
Do u know SE has 23 3G models in Japan.Does that make SE a better choice
ok, u talk abt wht they presently offer u m8, in india SE does not have or sell cdma phones...

also SE is going to launch V800 which does have edge...
nokia already sells 3 models in edge type phones...

lighthouse911

10-11-2004, 02:17 AM

hmm.. good.It seems u are following the message in ur sig."never give up"

maybe Nokia is better. What Now???? nothin mate.

frostt

10-11-2004, 02:32 AM

smooth criminal dude....if u look at it...its just been 2 years that took sony to kick out nokia from the battle...that is sm achievment...

As for u comparing a 9500 and a P900 i agree with u...but u will surely agree that nokia launched 9500 this yearand it isnt even available yet..as for P900 its been there for arnd a year now....so if u look at it...sony is way ahead of nokia in terms of phones...

besides who cares abt edge abd wifi.....the v800 is an awesome phone...a clamshell with a 1.3mp cam with a ccd senor and a 262 k screen...nokia on the other hand has just got the 6630 as its best bid...that has a 1.23mp cam thant 2 with a cmos sensor....whereas the s700 which is available is better than the 6630 already in terms of hardware...

Get ur facts staright and then post...dont click on the first link u find thru google and start spamming arnd...

@drgrudge the same goes for u 2

nokia has got a 35%market share only cause indian people dont go for the functionality but for the brand name.....they just dont want 2 check any other option out...but thats changing soon......CDMA phones.....who the hell cares abt cdma phones....only 5 - 10% of mobile users care to carry arnd a cdma phone...and out of those 10 % hardly 1 % carry a nokia cdma phone...most of the people get LG or kyocera phones...So cut the crap abt cdma phones...
nokia already sells 3 edge phones....and what does edge do....a higher rate of dload from the GPRS network.....edge isnt even fully implemented in india...and the providers like hutch and orange who are providing it them selves say that its nthing if compared to normal phones.....they have just made advertsiment for edge phones..providing edge users with big files to dload.....i agree that edge phones dload them easily...but non edge phones will just take sm more time to dload them na..thats it....as u cant do anythng else while u r dloading smthing thru gprs....it hardly matters if it takes2 mins more to dload a file...
The 3 nokia phones with edge are 6230(16k) 7610(23k) and i really dont know which is the 3rd u r talking abt...
These phones are not within the reach of normal phone users...no1 cares to get edge...all they want is a phone with better reception and features which sony is providing now....

lighthouse911

10-11-2004, 02:42 AM

@drgrudge
6600 is 16k and 3660 is 11k

16k is cheap compared to 39k (P910i)

also being a market leader and makin good phones is not the same thing!

What will u do with Edge !!!
Watch Hutch TV???
Well I hav 6230 and tell u Hutch TV is just a marketin gimmick

@smoothcriminal

Ericsson was a big failure!!!!!!???

I think It is time u check oiut the facts man!!!!!
It was at that time the 2nd biggest mobile phone maker in the world...
and u call it as failure?? strange

and the marketshare that u all guys keep ravin abt is there only because of cheap phones like 3310,3315,1100......

They account for most of sales in nokia lineup
nokia is only quantity no quality....
just see the no. of extra models nokia has out here...

gxsaurav

10-11-2004, 09:29 AM

Nokia has big market share due to it's value phones, which are strictly Phones Only,.no frills, compare a T230 with a value Nokia phone & U will know what I m saying

The interface of SE phones resembles much like an OS, Windows or Mac, I mean, things are in their respective folders, while in Nokia no such thing.

I m not saying that Nokia is bad, but SE beats it in many places, while Nokia kicks SE when it comes to sub5k phones

SmoothCriminal

10-11-2004, 10:37 AM

besides who cares abt edge abd wifi.....

huh! then wat else are u lukin for in a Smart phone!

And tell me 1 Fact that i got wrong.,. ahaa this guy says Ericsson wasnt a failure in mobiles!..

well.. mate.. SE does hav sub 5k phones.. R100, T105, T10 sc, T230 etc etc.. But why dont these phone come upto Nokia phones?

Let me clarify.. Nokia's mkkt share has come down.. agreed.. But.. SE is nowhere compared to Nokia.. Here's the mkr order in this reg:

1. Nokia - 29% mkt share
2.Motorola
3.Samsung
4.Siemens
5. SE - 6% mkt share

So, dont talk about mkt share here.. SE fans.. u r no where near..

Proof:

http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/34343.html

nokia has got a 35%market share only cause indian people dont go for the functionality but for the brand name....

Man Nokia's 29% share is worldwide.. not only in India..what do u say abt this?

The 3 nokia phones with edge are 6230(16k) 7610(23k) and i really dont know which is the 3rd u r talking abt...
These phones are not within the reach of normal phone users...no1 cares to get edge...

Its really funny that u call 6230/7610 as out of reach of normal users, while u use the P900 and other 40k phones to counter my arguements!! Whats abt 3220?? its a sub 10k phone.. EDGE enabled.. and if u dont know the use of EDGE dont spk abt it.. EDGE is definitely a better technology than GPRS n HSCSD..

all they want is a phone with better reception and features which sony is providing now....

Why is Nokia Ngage more popular?... All nokia phones have good reception.. Do u have anything like Ngage or the 7600 in SE..?

Coing to ur point of sub 5k phones.. lets talk abt T105/100.. can u send ringtones or pic msgs from thiese phones? no way.. but u can send from 3310/3315/1100/2100 etc..

lighthouse911

10-11-2004, 12:02 PM

What a joke u r mate!

1st thing= u can send ringtones/picture messages via T105
so better clear up ur doubts before posting

2nd thing=u say 3220, I say T610; What has 3220 got over T610 ;;only EDGe;BUT T610 has bluetooth,Irda, bigger screen, and is so much better looking..... what is the use of having edge on 3220 when u cannot watch live streaming TV(and do not jump at me because I am not referring to Hutch TV)

3rd= Some Se models u mention are not avilable anywhere.... R100???? what's that

The production of T10 was stopped 4 yrs back

and comparing T230 with nokia 2100 or 1100 will be brutal , don't u think!

and although I have already mentioned that market share does NOT effect anyone's decision which phone he has to buy

so I hope to make conclusion that u only buy things that have largest marketshare......(generally cheap things)
Then do urself a favour ....this time when u go out to buy a cellphone get urself a 3310;; That cellphone alone has 20% marketshare in India :)

p.s. Just jokin man, do not mind.I am sorry If I have offended you.

Nemesis

10-11-2004, 12:02 PM

ok ppl....first of all, all of u need 2 get ur facts straight as frostt said...but frostt, u have 2 galring holes in ur posts: firstly, the V800 is 4 vodafone not cingular...secondly, 7610 is not EDGE enabled....and also, EDGE is way better than GPRS....there r so many factual blunders in this thread that im shocked...this is nothing but a mud slinging contest..the nokia fans say nokia is the best while the SE fans say that SE is the best...there is nothing more than that in this thread....and ppl, unless u use a nokia CDMA phone, dont say that it serves as an advantage over SE...anyway, SE has CDMA phones in other countries other than India...

lighthouse911

10-11-2004, 12:06 PM

I appreciate nemesis's message very much!

Atlast a guy in Digit Forum who thinks Rationally!

SmoothCriminal

10-11-2004, 12:33 PM

COmon mate.. i sadi 3220 is a sub 10k EDGE phone..

The 3 nokia phones with edge are 6230(16k) 7610(23k) and i really dont know which is the 3rd u r talking abt...
These phones are not within the reach of normal phone users...

Just in response to it..

and BTW.. i have a T105 wid me rite now.. pls help me on how to send Rigtones / Picture messages.. I dont really know.. I'll realy apprecitae if u help!

Coming to R100.. well mate.. if u wana deliberatelky find faults i cant help.. done u see that the key 'R' is near 'T' and that i referred to T100?.. Huh!

T10 stopped 4 yrs back.!!!!! You said SE started only in 2002.. How come huh! I just wonder if SE has a time machine..!

Im happy with my 3660.. its a gr8 phone.. and btw dont forget the help i askd.. how to send ringontes/images using T105..

freshseasons

10-11-2004, 12:33 PM

and another thought:
DOES SE HAS A CDMA ENABLED PHONE?
nokia has that too: 3105, 2280 ,etc...

My Earlier Posts on the Good old Prince of CDMA Nokia phone
here : http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9514&highlight=3105

Or else you can always read my answer below
I don't have reliance but use Tata indicom...( along with Idea ..with my SonyEricsson k500i but that is not what you want to hear OK)....So i do use Tata indicom's Nokia 3105 ....hmmmm now is it good for a color handset....Frankly i tell you its totally ****... My reasons..
1) It falls down to break into two pieces most of the time...so its embrassing to join them in front of hmmmmm People every time. ( The front panel and the body dont want to stay in place on any contact with ground )
2) The rubbery keypad is the stupidest and most unfriendly on the fingures
3) I have for the stupid handset bought one duplicate DKU 5 Usb cable and failing to make contact bought an original from Nokia Showroom...i have only been able to make contact once ..inspite of tearing my hair on all the sites..and then contacting the service people..
4) Why you want to be caught with the Handset when there are lots better options there...
5) It looks like pig..

drgrudge

10-11-2004, 01:18 PM

hmm.. good.It seems u are following the message in ur sig."never give up"
well, that is my inspiration, never give up in life....well i tell u a short story...

Once a farmer had 2 pots, one was a damaged one and the other one was a normal pot. daily the farmer fetches water from the nearby pond from his two pots.when the farmer bring the pots back to his house,the first pot would be half filled and the second pot will be filled to brim. seeing this the first pot was unhappy to see that it could not help the farmer and it was useless and asked the farmer to break it. the farmer smiled and said, "see, u think that u are useless and on the other hand can u see the path from the pond to my home, it is full of life and green....," the water from the pot had watered the path.

the other thought is the clock thing in my signature.
see, u should never give up in life....

maybe Nokia is better. What Now???? nothin mate.
your views are highly fluctuating...., one time u say SE and other time u speak of nokia. hmmm, now when all members agree nokia is beter , we shall get this thread locked.

Get ur facts staright and then post...dont click on the first link u find thru google and start spamming arnd...

@drgrudge the same goes for u 2
ok, can u quote a single post of mine where i have found out a link from google and "spammed" here?i tell u, (believe me, ) not even once i have searched for a link or reference from google or even for the matter of fact form other members.

nokia has got a 35%market share only cause indian people dont go for the functionality but for the brand name.....they just dont want 2 check any other option out...
dont u think why they go for brand names?ok let us take for eg, u want to travel to some place here in india itself, there are many airlines, so will go for indian airlines instead of jet/sahara? and take they both quote the same fare...
and other eg, u want to buy a television , there are many local brands and lesser known brands , and we also have sony, samsung, etc..., wht will u buy?
smooth rightly said nokia global market share is 29%.

CDMA phones.....who the hell cares abt cdma phones....only 5 - 10% of mobile users care to carry arnd a cdma phone...and out of those 10 % hardly 1 % carry a nokia cdma phone...most of the people get LG or kyocera phones...So cut the **** abt cdma phones...
see dude, i was just saying nokia manufactures and sell CDMA phones too, where the hell does SE do? all the statistics u tell may be rite, i agree but i jus wanna prove that nokia has it's presense felt in CDMA market also, unlike SE

The 3 nokia phones with edge are 6230(16k) 7610(23k) and i really dont know which is the 3rd u r talking abt...
we were talking about 3220 which costs 11.5k

all they want is a phone with better reception and features which sony is providing now....
bah, sony erricsson might be the first phone to have signal reception related problems..., i am talking abt T105/T100
with nokia u can almost talk with jus a single bar, or sometimes no bar at all...

and what does edge do
What will u do with Edge !!!
Watch Hutch TV???
Well I hav 6230 and tell u Hutch TV is just a marketin gimmick

as we all know hutch tv is at place and airtel provides live straming video.
well, this is a starting phase of EDGE. it is still not popular.
remember EDGE service is based on NETWORK provider not based on ur hand sets.

The interface of SE phones resembles much like an OS, Windows or Mac, I mean, things are in their respective folders, while in Nokia no such thing.
have u seen 3660 or 6600?

What has 3220 got over T610 ;;only EDGe;BUT T610 has bluetooth,Irda, bigger screen, and is so much better looking.....
3220 has Irda , so u clear ur mind b4 posting... and talking of looks definetly 3220 looks beter. it glows in dark and has colorful xpress on covers.

what is the use of having edge on 3220 when u cannot watch live streaming TV
u urself have told that airtel provides live streaming video.
and as i have said b4, EDGe is a network based functionality, when it becomes more popular, more network will offer EDGe service.

although I have already mentioned that market share does NOT effect anyone's decision which phone he has to buy
ok, it is not the market share , i too agree , but it is the brand name , we look out for. and ofcource, good brand name= large market share

drgrudge

10-11-2004, 01:46 PM

Frankly i tell you its totally ****... My reasons..
i shall counter argue , all ur reasons.,,,

1) It falls down to break into two pieces most of the time...so its embrassing to join them in front of hmmmmm People every time. ( The front panel and the body dont want to stay in place on any contact with ground )
do u play with ur mob? u talk as if want the mob, u stay in it's place , even after all ur playing? why dont u drop SonyEricsson k500i and see whether it breaks or not?
mobs aren't made of iron,

2) The rubbery keypad is the stupidest and most unfriendly on the fingures
on the other hand, it will be good for ur "fingures". i agree , it may be small , but that's becoz it is a very compact phone...
u can also change the keypads for it.

3) I have for the stupid handset bought one duplicate DKU 5 Usb cable and failing to make contact bought an original from Nokia Showroom...i have only been able to make contact once ..inspite of tearing my hair on all the sites..and then contacting the service people..
why did u buy a hell of duplicate cable and now cry over it?

4) Why you want to be caught with the Handset when the
re are lots better options there...
what options does ur SE provide for CDMA type, network providers?in fact nokia itself provides many varities in cdma phones...

5) It looks like pig..
so u carry pigs, with u?

mate freshseasons, sorry if i have offended u, but, i need to tell u, wht ever way u tell, i can counter argue....

nokia rulezzzzz

drgrudge

10-11-2004, 01:48 PM

and another thought:
with nokia u can change the keypads and covers, as u wish....
is the same possible with SE?

SmoothCriminal

10-11-2004, 01:56 PM

Still no answer?! How to send Ringtones/Pic msgs using T105!!!

lighthouse911

10-11-2004, 02:51 PM

well mate;;; I know that T105/T100 suports EMS.If u want to know just search in ur manual.I do not have time 4 such silly stuff just fr satisfying ur big inflated EGO!

By the way u must also know That Nokia and se use different picture messa ge format. SE,MOto,Siemens and all others use ems while Nokia uses smart messaging......

@Dr. Grudge

Please look at my posts before u make silly coments

Nokia 3220 has EDGe BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE MEDIA PLAYER.SO IT CANNOT PLAY STREAMING VIDEO/Audio

AND DO NOT BRING ME THE FACTS SHEET BECAUSE I HAVE USED THAT PHONE>
Morever 3220 DOES NOT have Infrared....

again and again I have said That DO NOT compare smartphones to normal phones yet u have the nerve to again compare The UI of 6600 to Normal SE Phones........That said I feel the SE is better in UI......

so I think That If someone Needs to CLEAR his mind Then it's U

And the biggest Joke is That 3220 looks better then T610!
wow mate, U should be an art critic!
3220 is one hell of an ugly duckling and manages to look even worse then my 6230;;;
T610;; hell mate,they can't be even compared in the aesthetics department...

anywayz all this regarding looks is a matter of personal opinion!

lighthouse911

10-11-2004, 02:53 PM

concerning the matter of T10 It was produced By ERICSSON and not BY SONYERICSSON and as I said It's production was stopped 4 yrs back

SmoothCriminal

10-11-2004, 03:43 PM

ahaa.. dude/.. its not my EGO.. i really dono T105 doesnt send ringtones / images to my knowledge..

Rather than simply telolling it sends EMS, tell me how to send.. Manual has no such info..!

SmoothCriminal

10-11-2004, 03:55 PM

and btw.. Streaming Video is available on 3220 as per Hutch website.. Dont know why u werent able to do that.. I dont know abt that as well..

http://hutch.co.in/corpsite/home/hutchworld/services/hutchtv.asp

But i dont think Hutch is supporting our views..!

drgrudge

10-11-2004, 04:37 PM

@Dr. Grudge
call me Doctor Grudge...., hehe
ok, coming back seriously to counter argue...

Nokia 3220 has EDGe BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE MEDIA PLAYER.SO IT CANNOT PLAY STREAMING VIDEO/Audio
and btw.. Streaming Video is available on 3220 as per Hutch website.. Dont know why u werent able to do that.. I dont know abt that as well..
http://hutch.co.in/corpsite/home/hutchworld/services/hutchtv.asp

a nokia dealer said so..., i wasnt sure, anyway see the website.

Morever 3220 DOES NOT have Infrared....
ok, i agree i overlooked and besides a nokia dealer misguided me.

again and again I have said That DO NOT compare smartphones to normal phones yet u have the nerve to again compare The UI of 6600 to Normal SE Phones........That said I feel the SE is better in UI......
plz quote where i have said so?
no way, SE can be better in uI, for ur info, 6600 has a joystick also.

And the biggest Joke is That 3220 looks better then T610!
wow mate, U should be an art critic!
hey lighthouse, everyone has his/her own views, u need to respect it. and still i say, 3220 looks good.

3220 is one hell of an ugly duckling and manages to look even worse then my 6230;;;
T610;; hell mate,they can't be even compared in the aesthetics department...
3220 cant be called the cutest phone but , certainly it looks good to me.
it has colorful covers, it has a glowing sidepanels, et al.
in my opinion, T610 looks like a overgrown penguin.

anywayz all this regarding looks is a matter of personal opinion!
even mine! :twisted:

I know that T105/T100 suports EMS.
and to the best of my knowledge T105 has a wap support , not sure whether it can send a EMS.

hoping to see u,lighthouse soon here and all ur SE friends to argue....

lighthouse911

10-11-2004, 05:11 PM

hmm it seems that T105 does HAVE EMS. No I hope u guys know the meaning of EMS. This means u can send animations and sounds through sms......

http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=in&lc=en&ver=4000&template=pp1_1_1&zone=pp&lm=pp1&pid=10089

lighthouse911

10-11-2004, 05:15 PM

HUTCH TV IS NOT "STREAMINg" atleast till today.In Hutch TV u just download some clips and view them on ur cellphone

LIVE STREAMING IS WHAT AIRTEL IS PROVIDING (aajtak and CNBC)

SmoothCriminal

10-11-2004, 05:27 PM

Man.. all that is fine dude.. i want a PRACTICAL help on how to send pictures/ ringtones from my SE T105.. Im askin u a Help.. huh..

SmoothCriminal

10-11-2004, 05:40 PM

and btw.. u just said 3220 hasnt got a movie player!?

gxsaurav

10-11-2004, 07:10 PM

abe yaar,

both are good, both are bad,

Now end the discussion, stikc with what U like

drgrudge

10-11-2004, 07:26 PM

where r the other SE lovers, haven't seen them yet?

ishaan

10-11-2004, 07:27 PM

se EDGE enable fone - p910

drgrudge

10-11-2004, 07:30 PM

can u change the outer panel and keypads as on a nokia phone?
SE lovers come and answer.....

SmoothCriminal

10-11-2004, 07:52 PM

@ishaan

se EDGE enable fone - p910

sorry dude but.. P910 hasnt got EDGE..

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/details.php?id=863

http://gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_p910-846.php

gxsaurav

10-11-2004, 08:27 PM

VD17

10-11-2004, 10:09 PM

Motorola anyone?? ;)
i like Motorola too... apart from Nokia...

infohardik

10-11-2004, 10:38 PM

I myself use Nokia cheaper model but a Huge... Huge..... Fan of SE

drgrudge

10-11-2004, 11:09 PM

SmoothCriminal

10-11-2004, 11:23 PM

Dude drgrudge.. he homself says knows.. its not from SE..

frostt

10-11-2004, 11:39 PM

drgrudge

10-11-2004, 11:45 PM

i want to buy the original covers only...
i can pay rs 1.5k for a good quality cover.

SmoothCriminal

10-11-2004, 11:57 PM

Hey dudes.. This is the judgement by the mobile phone users all over the Globe.. Nver mind qty, quality watver.. People's judgement is final..

So, going by Poeple's judgement ie., Mkt share..

This is not my opinion.. This is the opinion of people around the globe.. No matter wat ur opinion is.. if u go for SE, then u r in that 6%.. and we're (nokia) in that 29%..

1. Nokia - 29%
2.Motorola - 16.5%
3. Samsung - 13%
4. Siemens - 8.4%
5. Sony Ericsson - 6%

Source:

http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/english/article/1076152600738

(You can see the same mkt share position in any site)

lighthouse911

11-11-2004, 12:01 AM

Do u know why Nokia offers Interchangable covers???

That is because they know the covers on the nokia phones would not even last a month!! :)

SmoothCriminal

11-11-2004, 12:01 AM

The on thing in which NOkia rules the market is customising & the express on covers, which are legal

DRgrudge, sure we can change the panel of SE, but not officially, just come to Lucknow, we have black color & red maroon color covers for K500i for Rs 150, good build quality
man but all thes are not original....., does sony themselves provide?

omg...u guys dont go out of ur homes or smthing....only .1% people buy original nokia covers.....i would really like 2 know which of u idiots will prefer to get a 6230 express on cover which comes for a little over 1500 bucks.....
Most of them go for cheap illegal nokia covers itself whic r available for 100 - 150...
SE dosent provide for express on covers as the bodies of there phone is way much better when compafe

dude.. im not understanding why u r gettin so emotional.. see.. do u agree or not, that even the local panels / accessories sold in the sub 100 rs range are more for Nokia..? u dont get too many accessories for SE even in local mkt.. whether u agree or not, its the fact..

gamefreak14

11-11-2004, 01:06 AM

Do u know why Nokia offers Interchangable covers???

That is because they know the covers on the nokia phones would not even last a month!! :)
I have to agree on that..Nokia makes the most flimsiest covers in the world..My 7210 has so many scratches....I wish i could just change the damn cover...but wait..once every 3 months?

frostt

11-11-2004, 01:25 AM

SmoothCriminal

11-11-2004, 01:41 AM

he he..dude.. no comments.. ! coz u know.. i neednt tel..

frostt

11-11-2004, 02:04 AM

he he..dude.. no comments.. ! coz u know.. i neednt tel..

i guessed u jumbled up sm words..u must be writing...

"coz i know, u needent tell " :P

lighthouse911

11-11-2004, 02:23 AM

he he..dude.. no comments.. ! coz u know.. i neednt tel..

haha

It seems u r runnin out of words,Mate. :)

Nemesis

11-11-2004, 06:58 AM

this thing still running???? man!!!! there is nothing left in this discussion as is clearly proved by the last few posts...now stop it...hasnt been any good anyway....lets just conclude that every1 has his or her own preferences....i mean if i buy a nokia and it gives me a hard time, i will get some other manufacturer's phone and if that works out, i will trash nokia....same thing if i buy say SE and then go 4 a nokia....so just close the topic...

pls

SmoothCriminal

11-11-2004, 09:14 AM

he he

As for this topic it is very intesting..although i voted for nokia, i have 2 agree that this year belonged to sony...with phones like the K700i,S700 and P910i....it crushed all the competition it had...but what next.....sony has got no other plans left as there are no announcments for new phones....nokia on the other hand has already announced that it will launch 40 new phones next year....

Anyway the upcoming 9500 is going to kick P900's *** reallyyyy hard.

no hard feelings dudes.. dont worry.. Nokia 29% SE- 6%

No point in arguing wid u.. itd poss to mk people who dint really unstd.. but imposs with people who pretend not to unstd.. :))

Or who dont wana change their mind at all.. he he.. funny..

lighthouse911

11-11-2004, 12:05 PM

Hmmm, It seems That this thread has become the hottest one in the digit Forums....over 70 reples

Look how a bit of flames and some gossip can effect the thread

:)

Anywayz regardless of which is better I had come here to have fun and thankz to smoothcriminal and Dr. grudge( :) ) I really enjoyed my stay here......

Next time we will have a Motorola vs Siemens POLL :) :)

p.s. Are there reallly no mods arnd here????

Abhijit_T

11-11-2004, 04:18 PM

Well, about the Nokia 29%-SE 6% thing,
tell me, do more ppl use IE or Mozilla?
And also tell me, is IE better than Mozilla?
just because more ppl use a product dosen't mean that its better
My gf has a Nokia 6230, one of the latest Nokia phones, but she still feels that her fone is **** compared to my T610(Shes right, because it is)

And drgrudge, all the other SE lovers have lives, and cannot be bothered sitting on their computers answering to what everyone in the world knows - SE Rocks!!!

SmoothCriminal

11-11-2004, 05:20 PM

Dude.. its not possible to mk u unstd.. u r acting like a kid.. im sorry for that..

Try to undesratnd the logic before contradicting.. IE ships along with Windows almoist free (u neednt downlaod anything etc), as such its almost a compulsion that people by default start using IE.. Only those who are really intersted go for Mozilla etc..

Whereas non one Gives Nokia phones free like that.. Its upto the people to decide what they want.. They CHOOSE Nokia.. i mean 29% people CHOOSE Nokia.. 6% CHOOSE SE..

f u dont understsnd this also.. then.. any more posts here wud be just a joke..

lighthouse911

11-11-2004, 08:17 PM

@smoothcriminal

so u like to buy what majority of people are buying...

IT is shocking that market stats effect which phone is going to be ur nxt phone,not features or quality....

This is why I said in the beginning,Nokia is good when It comes to Cheap phones like 1100,3310 but SE makes quality phones which are a bit costlier

:) just my bid 2 keep the thread alive and kickin :)

Abhijit_T

11-11-2004, 09:49 PM

I agree totally with lighthouse911
Also, why not do a head to head comparison?
Tell me all nokia equivalents of T610/30, and we'll compare them
Tell me all nokia equivalents of K700i/K500i and we'll compare them
Tell me all nokia equivalents of S700 and we'll compare them
There are no equivalents to P900, so I've not included that
We'll see which phones are better in no time at all

drgrudge

11-11-2004, 10:13 PM

TO YOU,MISTER ABHIJIT
Well, about the Nokia 29%-SE 6% thing,
tell me, do more ppl use IE or Mozilla?
And also tell me, is IE better than Mozilla?
IE ships along with Windows almoist free (u neednt downlaod anything etc), as such its almost a compulsion that people by default start using IE.. Only those who are really intersted go for Mozilla etc..
and also, see the no. of mob users 4.3 crore
most of the people in india does not have a computer or even if they do have, do they have internet acess?

And drgrudge, all the other SE lovers have lives, and cannot be bothered sitting on their computers answering to what everyone in the world knows - SE Rocks!!!
dudes, are the other members jus siting here and repling...?
u have f***ing time for gf's and her phone. bah, talking as if we dont have any other work.
see the time gap between, my previous post and this one.....22 hours.

SmoothCriminal

11-11-2004, 10:17 PM

We will continue this thread.. but b4 all the things u need to tell me a practical way of sending EMS using T105..

well.. Abhijit_T dude.. Nokia's equivalent for T610/630 is 3660/3650/3670 (thou these are smart phones they are in the same price range)

K700i/K500i - Equivalents would be 6600/7650/7610

and huh.. for P900 - we have 9500, 7600 and lot more.. he he.. dude..

dudes u urself can have a head-to-head comaprison, and furnish the results wid proof here.. BTW.. also lemme know how to send pic msg & rintones using T105..! :))

drgrudge

11-11-2004, 10:20 PM

man, i was celebrating diwali, so could not come and post!

1. Nokia - 29%
2.Motorola - 16.5%
3. Samsung - 13%
4. Siemens - 8.4%
5. Sony Ericsson - 6%
hmm, the thread should have been, nokia versus motorola, lol, shall i change it?

Do u know why Nokia offers Interchangable covers???

That is because they know the covers on the nokia phones would not even last a month!!
hey, my 6610 is almost 7 months old and still it is good. and the covers moreover offers to suit ur style and mood., i have seen a glowing radium covers also.

Do chcek them out if u ever enter a SE shop....
does, SE has a exclusive dealers just as nokia has priority dealers? no way dude..., atleast not in chennai as far as i know....,, does SE have a exclusive shops, smooth criminal? :?:

this thing still running???? man!!!! there is nothing left in this discussion as is clearly proved by the last few posts...now stop it...hasnt been any good anyway....lets just conclude that every1 has his or her own preferences....i mean if i buy a nokia and it gives me a hard time, i will get some other manufacturer's phone and if that works out, i will trash nokia....same thing if i buy say SE and then go 4 a nokia....so just close the topic...
still, there's a lot of issues to be discussed, m8 i have just posted 2 of my thought he which is:
1. SE does not manufacture(ok, atleast sell) CDMA phones in INDIA.
2. SE does not offer xpress no covers and changeble keypads...
still i have 3 more issues which needs to be adressed

and regarding the preference, nokia is a beter preference..., i agree nothing is perfect..., but comparitively, nokia is better. lifetime of nokia phones are longlasting , when compared to SE.

and regarding the closure of topic, i need all the SE fanatics to come out and clearly say that nokia is a beter phone, then i will ask the mods or raaabo to lock this thread up.moreover nokia and sony erricson are going neck to neck in the polls, still there is no clear winner. i jus want many members to vote for their choice.

Anyway the upcoming 9500 is going to kick P900's *** reallyyyy hard.
man, u voted for SE and speak for SE, yet u have a nokia phone and most of ur replies are fluctuating, u dont have a clear stand.

Hmmm, It seems That this thread has become the hottest one in the digit Forums....over 70 reples
when i am posting this there were 75 replies and over 300 views...., and this is the second topic, after the windows versus linux topic to be very popular.
and i see many members (me, smooth, lighthouse,frostt) posting as late as 2:45 am(!) in the morning!
and this topic, was started in qna section !!! most of the members dont visit this discussion. the reason i started here was, most members who wants suggestion to buy a mob. post here, when they see this , the get influenced.

Anywayz regardless of which is better I had come here to have fun and thankz to smoothcriminal and Dr. grudge( Smile ) I really enjoyed my stay here......
hehe, dude, i tnx and btwn i asked u to call me drgrudge or doctor grudge .

Next time we will have a Motorola vs Siemens POLL
no, shall we start SE versus motorola thread...., and in that i will vote for motorola only....

p.s. Are there reallly no mods arnd here????
man, r u afraid? wht wrong did we do here? no personal remarks , we just contradict each other :wink:

SmoothCriminal

11-11-2004, 10:22 PM

BTW dudes.. do u have any Equivalents for

1. the N-Gage ..

2. 6310i (this phone has bluetooth, irda etc) but price is 7k..

drgrudge

11-11-2004, 10:29 PM

ok, do any u have a equalent for 7610? (atleast in india?)

Abhijit_T

11-11-2004, 10:32 PM

there u go again comparing smartphones to normal phones
how many times does a thing have to be said to penetrate ur thick skull?
I don't care about the price range, i'm looking at features
compare phones with similar features, which were released at approx. the same time
the best comparison for t610/30 would have to be 6610/6610i/7210/6100....
tell me if u think i'm wrong and why...

Abhijit_T

11-11-2004, 10:33 PM

what about the S700i?
Its not just an equivalent, it kicks the 7610's a**

drgrudge

11-11-2004, 10:36 PM

hey Abhijit_T, where is the reply to my post regarding you (posted after ur post, @10:13 pm)...

u seem to be silent?

Abhijit_T

11-11-2004, 10:43 PM

Ok, lets see...10:13 pm post
Ya, it certainly does seem that u guys are sitting all day waiting for a new post, and then getting impatient when nobody posts anything, and then posting something ursleves

Now why don't u answer my question posted at10:33 pm?
I have the comparison right in front of me now, and it looks like even the K700i kicks the 7610's a**
Should I post it?(Pls ask me to, I'm gonna love it)

beyondthegracefgod

11-11-2004, 10:53 PM

Hmm i like some of nokia some of se but the last im sure K700i gives 7610 a kick.Dunn kno wat makes nokia lag in tha display stuff 7610 has killer looks but with a megapixel cam and display of just 65k wats tha realscope .
Come on if u gotta show of ur cam quality uneed 256k as in k700i.
Rest all both balance out.Looks and cam stuff 700i wins.

SmoothCriminal

11-11-2004, 11:16 PM

I don't care about the price range, i'm looking at features
compare phones with similar features, which were released at approx. the same time
the best comparison for t610/30 would have to be 6610/6610i/7210/6100....
tell me if u think i'm wrong and why.

dude.. cool down.. think and then post.. do u see any logic here.. when u buy a phone do u think that u're gonna buy a mobile in this price range (or) im gonna buy normal phone / smart phone...

And bte, u've totally misunderstood the concept.. What is a smart phone? You say that you'd look for more features rather than a smart phone.. By definition, smart phone is a phone capable of doing lot more things than just simply usign as phone.. SO understand it first..

Its unfortunate that SE has very less smart phones.. I can thelp that.. Nokia is SMART.. thats why we have lot more smart phones.. Most Nokia phones above 10k have Symbian OS.. but SE?!?! only the 40k phones have,..

BTW.. 7650 kicks off k700i.. while 7610 kicks k500i... Thats what u askd for..

Now lemme know any match for

1. N Gage / N Gage QD
2. 6310i

AND btw that 29%, 6% thing is to tell u that SE is no where near Nokia.. as drgrudge said it shd've been Nokia vs Motorola..!

And remembr people who invest money have brain, and most of their brains have logically chosen Nokia.. Dont think u & me are the only ones who have brain.. !

Abhijit_T

11-11-2004, 11:43 PM

OK thats it...7610 kicks K700i?Are u nuts?Although K700i is considered a lower-end phone as compared to the 7610, and the S700i is the real competitor, even then the K700i manages to own the 7610

About the 6310i equivalent - what about the T68i?
Owns the 6310i in every way possible

Here is the comparison(7610 vs S700i vs K700i)-

1.Weight
7610 - 118 gms
K700i - 93 gms
S7001 - 137 gms

2.Dimensions
7610 - 109*53*19
K700i - 99*46*20
S700i - 107*49*24

3.Battery Life
7610 - 3 hrs (250 hrs standby)
K700i - 7 hrs (360 hrs standby)
S700i - 7 hrs (300 hrs standby)

4.Display
7610 - 176*208 , 65536 colours
K700i - 176*220, 65536 colours
S700i - 240*320, 262000 colours

5.Platform
7610 - Symbian
K700i - Sony Ericsson
S700i - Sony Ericsson

6.Phone Book Capacity
7610 - Shared Memory
K700i - 510
S700i - 510

7.EDGE
7610 - N
K700i - N
S700i - Y

8.Infrared
7610 - N
K700i - Y
S700i - Y

9.Radio
7610 - N
K700i - Y
S700i - Y

10.Memory
7610 - 8 MB + 64 MB on MMC
K700i - 40 MB
S700i - 32 MB + upto 1GB on exp. card

11.Ringtones
7610 - 32 note polyphonic
K700i - 40 note polyphonic
S700i - 40 note polyphonic

12.WAP Version
7610 - 2.0 XHTML
K700i - 2.0
S700i - 2.0 XHTML

Other features are not compared as they are exactly the same

Abhijit_T

11-11-2004, 11:51 PM

SE T68i vs Nokia 6310i

1.Dimensions
T68i - 101*48*20
6310i - 129*47*17

2.Weight
T681 - 85 gms
6310i - 111 gms

3.Standby Time
T68i - 290 hrs
6310i - 400 hrs

4.Talktime
T68i - 780 m
6310i - 330 m

5.Email
T68i - Y
6310i - N

6.MMS
T68i - Y
6310i - N

7.Display
T68i - 4096 colours, 101*80
6310i - Monochrome

8.Memory
T68i - 1087 KB
6310i - 500 KB

9.WAP Version
T68i - 2.0
6310i - 1.8.1

10.Ringtones
T68i - 8-Note Polyphonic
6310i - Monophonic

11.SyncML
T68i - Y
6310i - N

Other features are not compared as they are exactly the same

SmoothCriminal

11-11-2004, 11:52 PM

Arey.. dude.. see my post carefully..

I askd u to be cool.. then only u can think..

BTW.. 7650 kicks off k700i.. while 7610 kicks k500i... Thats what u askd for..

Now compare accordingl;y..

Btw.. Do have ANY MATCH for N Gage QD?

Abhijit_T

11-11-2004, 11:58 PM

Do u know how low end a phone K500i is compared to 7610?
theres a price difference of 10k between the 2
Even then, the 7610 only just manages to win
If thats how u want things to be, why don't u compare the T610 to the 3310?Lets see which phone wins
the K500i needs to be compared with phones like 3220, 3200, 6820, etc.
and ur comparing the 7650 to the K700i?
man, that phone is worse than 7610, 4096 colour display, no video recording, bad camera, low memory, but still u want to compare the two...
http://www.esato.com/phones/index.php/phone=26,cp=122

Obviously theres no match for the NGage QD, as there is no other phone in its category
Well, if ur asking for matches for the Ngage QD, let me ask u - Do u have any matches for the SE Bluetooth Racing Car?[/url]

Nemesis

12-11-2004, 12:06 AM

smoothcriminal, the ngage is a bad idea by nokia...the original 1 hardly sold any pieces and the qd is selling a few just bocoz it is smaller and has an external memory slot....still more factual errors.....i think im gonna just sit and pick out all factual errors in every post so that every1 will b embarrassed abt their mistakes and stop posting....y dont u try and c the other person's point of view???? y do u think abt only ur choice being right and everything else being worng???? open ur minds ppl....and if price comes in then remember that most phones that r being discussed here, strated out at an initial price exceeding 20k and have dropped 2 present levels only bcoz they have been around 4 so long....and instead of fighting over current phones, y not discuss upcoming phones???? smoothcriminal, 7650 kicks K700i??? i dont think so...the K700i is better in every aspect than the 7650 except a non-symbian OS....and a K500i with a 7610??? come on...gimme a break...how can u even think of such a comparison...i mean thr 7610 is a high end phone while the k500i is more of a budget solution....

SmoothCriminal

12-11-2004, 12:08 AM

Now let me compare 6310i & T68i.. hUh what a comparison u made.. evrythin else is same huh??

Get ur facts ruite.. 6310i does have SyncML.. your sheet shows as 'No'.

T68i has a 256 color display and NOT 4096 colors... Have u seen that phone.. The display really sux.. its utter wst to have this 'name-sake' color phone that too with 'mms'..! with 256 colors display looks soo ugly.. its better to have a mono screnn..

See

HSCSD

1. 6310i - Y
2. T68i - N

JAVA

1. 6310i - Y
2. T68i - N

Downloadable Applications

1. 6310i - Yes
2. T68i - No

SyncML
1. 6310i -Y
2. T68i - Y

Email over SMS

1. 6310i -Y
2. T68i - N

Voice Dial
1. 6310i -Y
2. T68i - Y

VOICE RECORDER

1. 6310i -Y
2. T68i- N

Nos in Phone

1. 6310i - 1500
2. T68i - 500

SmoothCriminal

12-11-2004, 12:14 AM

i think im gonna just sit and pick out all factual errors in every post so that every1 will b embarrassed abt their mistakes and stop posting....

Dude what factual mistake u found huh?? Dude whether N Gage was a mistake of Nokia or not.. It sold.. N Gage QD was quite a successful model.. Dude.. i've pointed out faults from Abhi's post.. u dint see them huh.. or u dint know those??

And btw i had to compare 7610 wid k500i coz our freidns said 'Price' is not a criterion..

SmoothCriminal

12-11-2004, 12:22 AM

Well, if ur asking for matches for the Ngage QD, let me ask u - Do u have any matches for the SE Bluetooth Racing Car?

Huh!

frostt

12-11-2004, 12:37 AM

BTW.. 7650 kicks off k700i.. ...

omg really....tell me how please....

k700i except for the external memory and symbian thing and the cam...is way beter than the 7610....it has the best 65k screen in the market..

and u people who r going on and on abt Ngage....ngage is a very innovative design...but the games that it runs...u can play them using any symbian phone except the 7650,3650....
and have u guys ever chceked the 3d java games on the k700 and the s700...they will easily give the games on ngage a run for their money....

freshseasons

12-11-2004, 12:39 AM

MY MY some one is comparing these two phone here...A color with Monocrome...no matter what...SONY ERICSSON T68i on which a camera and a MP3 Player can be attached.....Looks ...Why is someone comapring these two phone and be equally blind enough...
FOR PEOPLE WITH EYES AND TRUTH HERE!!!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/freshseasons/untitled.jpg

Really is someone comparing these TWO :P :P :P :P :P

SONYERICSSON RULLEEZZZ

lighthouse911

12-11-2004, 12:40 AM

@ smoothcriminal

Please Think Before U post! And If u do not know anything then it is better that u do not post...

"downloadable apps" and "java" are the same thing... Yet u have the nerve to show them as different "advantages of 6310i!

What the hell will u do with "HSCSD" when u have GPRS????
By the way T68i DOES have HSCSD.. BTW NO network in India nowadays supports HSCSD...

T68i has a REAL Email app.That means It uses the actual POP3 configuration....
So what the hell will u do with SMS email????

VOICE RECORDER????? U r a real joke man

T68i can record voice till the whole 1 mb memory gets over...
6310i can make max 1 minute records....

By the way I think that 256 colours are way better then having black and white.....
and when It was released The T68i had a better screen then any other Nokia out there!

So U see there is someone else who needs to cool off !!!!
And this time when u "google" go to some reputed sites which give u genuine information :)

Also do I need to mention That T68i is way smaller and better lookin then that monster called 6310i

Ah! and I think real comparison of 6310i will be with Ericsson R520m which has all the features of 6310i and is sold fr 3k

SmoothCriminal

12-11-2004, 12:41 AM

freshseasons.. yes,. ur avatar looks good..!

lighthouse911

12-11-2004, 12:47 AM

@fresh seasons

It is "beauty vs the beast"

Now now do not ask him which one is the beast!

SmoothCriminal

12-11-2004, 12:50 AM

@ smoothcriminal

"downloadable apps" and "java" are the same thing... Yet u have the nerve to show them as different "advantages of 6310i!

T68i has a REAL Email app.That means It uses the actual POP3 configuration....
So what the hell will u do with SMS email????

Dude.. Tell me one way of configurin ur POP3 email../ well its not a joke.. i vae 3660.. iand i dont know how to use POP3.. tell me one POP3 server for phones.. (im not askin abt web-based POP3)..

Dude u dont know the diff/??@! Java enabled phones may run Java applications.. Some cant Downlaod new apllications.. SOme can download new Java applicaitions.. ! No point.. abs.. intelling..

SmoothCriminal

12-11-2004, 12:53 AM

So.. Guys.. Whatever u fite.. each of u put one consolidated post.. What u wanna tell.. Just one POST.. What do u finally wanna tell.. Mite be i may not know much on the finer details.. But i know Nokia is better than SE.. Atleast thats what i bliv and thats what 29% bliv..

Just put a consolidated post..

Also mention what phone u're using now..

ANd finally.. give me an answer.. How to send EMS on T105.. PLZ dudes.. i blivd what u said and am eagerly waiting to send EMS..

drgrudge

12-11-2004, 12:54 AM

@freshseasons, it is the same old avatar u r having , not the new one...

lighthouse911

12-11-2004, 12:55 AM

but many more comparisons are left!!!

like T230 vs 2300

and concening ems in T105;; Do u think That I will buy a T105 to show u how to send an EMS>? :wink:
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and concerning JAVA u are really really confused!
There is no "downloadable" app fr 6310i other then "JAVA apps"

Now I am askin u a question??
Tell me name of one application which can be downloaded on 6310i and is not java??? :?:
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and concerning ur final post.... you end up sayin...Nokia is the best,Because you feel it is the best and so do 29% of Indians....

Then why has drg posted a poll here????

And This opinion is only urs....

29% of Indians may have a NOKIA phone not that does not mean that they are happy with their phone..

Se rockz.You have got to admit that.

How do u measure "popularity".. I mean +ve popularity???
I do not think that u do by polls because G. BUSH is easily the most unpopular man in The world and he has just won the US election

Go to any Forums that u like regardin cellphones and see how Happy are the people who own SE phones and how sad are people who own nokia phones!!!

and even though by ur estimates SE is sixth in market positions,In many forums SE (subforum) has more thread then nokia!!!!

and regardin comparisons,Do not worry! I will not embarrass anyone by posting any more comparos....

www.cnetasia.com/reviews/handphones

Look how Mnay SE phones have won the coveted "EDITOR's Choice" award!

T68i
T610
K700i
S700

By the way it happens to be the sAME AWARD THAT WAS NOT GIVEN TO 7610,6600,nGAGE qD, OR EVEN FR THAT MATTER 9210I,6230,7650,3660,7250,6610

And do not question the crediblity of the site!
That's supposed to give the best reviews in the world.(acoordin to GSM arena)

drgrudge

12-11-2004, 12:57 AM

@smooth, dude, there r lotta issue which needs to be discussed, let all the SE fanatics be clear abt wht they say...

SmoothCriminal

12-11-2004, 01:03 AM

@drgrudge : he he.. the real fun lies in the fact that people who voted for nokia are spkin for SE..! .. where do we categorise these dude?

http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=67333&highlight=#67333

Further.. freshseasons has joind here bcos i made a post on his 'Reliance Cable' thread as why he started a new thread on Broadband!

drgrudge

12-11-2004, 01:04 AM

yes, first it was lighthouse and now frostt

drgrudge

12-11-2004, 01:07 AM

abhijit seem to copy-paste all the features of SE phones....,

to be very honest, i have not asked any other members or google for posting on this thread....

drgrudge

12-11-2004, 01:16 AM

Ok, lets see...10:13 pm post
Ya, it certainly does seem that u guys are sitting all day waiting for a new post, and then getting impatient when nobody posts anything, and then posting something ursleves
dude , it seems that u dint read my post properly....
now see:

TO YOU,MISTER ABHIJIT
And drgrudge, all the other SE lovers have lives, and cannot be bothered sitting on their computers answering to what everyone in the world knows - SE Rocks!!!
dudes, are the other members jus siting here and repling...?
u have f***ing time for gf's and her phone. bah, talking as if we dont have any other work.
see the time gap between, my previous post and this one.....22 hours.

lighthouse911

12-11-2004, 02:12 AM

Hey man! comeon I need answers to my post

How else can we pass time? :)

frostt

12-11-2004, 02:13 AM

see i dont give a damn what u people say....

but u will agree with these points

P900 was releases arnd a year back and only now nokia has launched a phone (9500communicator) which can match upto p900's specs

the sony s700i has got a 262kscreen with a 1.3mp cam with CCD sensor(effective 1.3mp) and nokia just have the 6630 with a 1.3mp cam(1.23mp effective) that 2 with no CCD sensor......Nokia havent even announced any phone with a 262k screen yet...

So dosent this make u think that nokia dosent care abt giving better stuff...nokia just wants to launch more and more models missing 1 or 2 features...they just dont want their customers to get a complete phone...they just put sm features in 1 phone and then after a month launch another phone with the same features..including sm more features and removing sm from the already included features.....sony on the other hand is just giving their customers the best they can offer....look at their line up

T230,T610,T630,P800/900,K500i,K700i,S700i,P910i

all the above phones...if u notice...have retained the features from the earlier models...and new features both in terms of hardware and software have been included...

Nokia on the other hand didnt included more features..they just remmoved sm features and applied sm new1's instead of the old ones...

Nemesis

12-11-2004, 04:52 AM

when i say there r so many factual errors, i mean that u guys r not mentioning the right features....but if i point out mistakes in somebody's post, then u will label me a supporter of the manufacturer that they support....this is such a senseless debate.....im outta here....

freshseasons

12-11-2004, 09:51 AM

Further.. freshseasons has joind here bcos i made a post on his 'Reliance Cable' thread as why he started a new thread on Broadband!

He he he i didn't get it...i don't think i have postd anything regarding reliance cable thread....i joined this Topic way long back before i came up with reliance broadband thread...you can check facts to facts :P
and thanks for liking my Avaatar.
Hey @drgrudge when did i saw i were using this as new avaatar...yes its my old one and no upgradation for me filhaal :P

Anyway Friends lets chiil now...this topic is blown too way out of propotion..See we have seens threads even like windows Vs Mac , or Linux ..ETc Vs Etc...i think now it really doesn't matter...what one owns is entirely different choice ...sheer handset to handset..
Give me a choice between Sonyericsson t100 and Nokia Qd and may be i will choose Nokia QD...Give me another Sonyerisson P910 and i will rule in heaven...... So lets give it a thought ...Theres so much to life and Sure Nokia and SE are gonna come with a hell lotsa model for costomers and we definatly cannot help by fighting...See Samsung has comeup with 5 Megapixel Camera...NOKIA and SE are far behind in these thing...May be they latter catch up ...So presently the war is just Handset to handset...
Then someone did say Comparisions are always ODIOUS
CHEERS
PEACE :)

Abhijit_T

12-11-2004, 10:21 AM

I haven't copy-pasted a single comparison of mine, they're all typed by my own hand
Show me 1 site which gives comparisons in that format
And about the 10:13 post, u didn't understand what I was trying to say
If the time difference in ur 2 posts was 22 hrs, why did u post the 2nd time if nobody else had posted in between?

Also, drgrudge, I know u started this poll because I managed to convince a member to buy a T610 over the 6610i
I still cannot understand how u have the nerve to say that the 6610i is better than the T610 in any manner

ishaan

12-11-2004, 10:32 AM

im sorry 4 givin wrong info...p910 doenst have EDGE...as SmoothCriminal pointed out

but i think the s710 has EDGE

SmoothCriminal

12-11-2004, 10:35 AM

and concening ems in T105;; Do u think That I will buy a T105 to show u how to send an EMS>? Wink
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and concerning JAVA u are really really confused!
There is no "downloadable" app fr 6310i other then "JAVA apps"

Now I am askin u a question??
Tell me name of one application which can be downloaded on 6310i and is not java??? Question
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and concerning ur final post.... you end up sayin...Nokia is the best,Because you feel it is the best and so do 29% of Indians....

29%-worldwide..

EMS - ??

Dude there are phones which r java enbabled (they can run java apps) but cant accept new / downloaded apps.. i dont think there's any poiiunt in explainint..

Huh.. I dont wana explain anything here.. Adn u think or let it be true that ium outa words.. no EGO.. im stopping here..

But Nokia RULEZ... Thats my personal view.. Not gona see even replies to this post.. ! enjoi..

lighthouse911

12-11-2004, 10:51 AM

Thanx,,I am glad that the thread is over....
Anywayz here Three cheers to The fastest growing Thread in Dig it!

aka911.

drgrudge

12-11-2004, 01:54 PM

And about the 10:13 post, u didn't understand what I was trying to say
If the time difference in ur 2 posts was 22 hrs, why did u post the 2nd time if nobody else had posted in between?
i dint even , look out for replies in between...., how do i know if there has been any replies...., if i am not online?

Also, drgrudge, I know u started this poll because I managed to convince a member to buy a T610 over the 6610i
I still cannot understand how u have the nerve to say that the 6610i is better than the T610 in any manner
see the cost of 6610i and ur T610....
i agree, i just wanted to prove...
and even if SE t610 is better, 6610i rocks in other way....

drgrudge

12-11-2004, 04:22 PM

and finally.....
35%MARKET IN INDIA,
29%WORLDWIDE,
AND 16:14 HERE...

NOKIA RULEZ AND SE SCREWED UP!

lighthouse911

12-11-2004, 04:51 PM

So So Now u r back to words like "Screwed up" because u could not think of anythin else to justiy ur claims......

anuwayz presently it is 16:14

But don't u find this strange considering that 35% of people in India own a Nokia !

Abhijit_T

12-11-2004, 06:02 PM

And BTW, 6610i and T610 are approx. the same cost

funkymonkey

12-11-2004, 09:29 PM

everything else seems crap to me. Nokia S60 phones have sooooo many softwares to go along to make it real smart phone. Loving my 6600.
Yes Sony may have better phone but they are dumb phone not real smart phones. Symbian os makes all difference.

Ashis

13-11-2004, 12:31 AM

The Bottom Line is :-
NOKIA is the best!

frostt

13-11-2004, 12:56 AM

The Bottom Line is :-
NOKIA is the best!

Ahhhh.........how come u r still stuck at that line....

I gave a big comparison on the last page....u guys just dont wanna accept it....Nokia is not the best...it was but it isnt now.....

SE rules now...

jcmac

13-11-2004, 01:00 PM

se is value for money.

funkymonkey

13-11-2004, 01:45 PM

SE is just another phone.
With set of softwares that I have it makes my 6600 a full fledged PDA, a secrity device, Mobile news station, Gaming device, Spy camera, weather station, Video/Divx player, MP3 player, GPS device.
Can any SE phone do that at this price? no. Nothing except expensive P800 an P900.
Even cheap 8K ngage can do all this stuff.

drgrudge

13-11-2004, 11:13 PM

he he, still nokia has more fans....,
nokia rulezzzzzzzz

drgrudge

13-11-2004, 11:21 PM

does anyone has answer to this:
nokia provides 2 yr. garranty and 1 year thieft warranty too.

aadipa

14-11-2004, 12:22 AM

does anyone has answer to this:
nokia provides 2 yr. garranty and 1 year thieft warranty too.

2 years of warranty... ur handset will get repaired not replaced to new handset.

There is big difference between garranty and warranty.

and 1 year of insurrence not warranty. u will get 30% of amount u paid if ur mobile is stolen and u prove it to claim the inssuarance.

drgrudge

14-11-2004, 12:31 PM

ok, atleast u get something, which is not possible in SE....

frostt

14-11-2004, 11:54 PM

What the hell.....i thought we were talking abt quality and features of phones...where did after sales service come into the picture...as far as SE users are concerned...u get a 2 yr guarantee now....i know cause onw of my friend just got a brand new P910i whose BT stopped wrking as it fell down a few times...and he was given a brand new phone at the service centre once the problem was annalysed.....

SO what do u have 2 say abt that now?

drgrudge

15-11-2004, 12:35 AM

SO what do u have 2 say abt that now?
they give that only for a phone like p900....not the other ones like t100...
they give one yr. thieft insurance too, which is 30% the cost of the phone itself.

where did after sales service come into the picture..
see, not even the phone also the other thing as well, and this thread is nokia vs SE, not abt a particular model....

Wizard

15-11-2004, 01:50 AM

my first post here..and its good to be here .

I got a Nokia 6610 and it rocks...

frostt

15-11-2004, 03:01 AM

[quote=frostt]SO what do u have 2 say abt that now?
they give that only for a phone like p900....not the other ones like t100...
they give one yr. thieft insurance too, which is 30% the cost of the phone itself.

atleast they give that na...Nokia dosent even do that for their communicator phones...all they do is try to repair...and if they cant do it..they just return it back...they do not replace it....

And who knows...maybe they do that for T100 also...i am telling u my experiece.....

drgrudge

15-11-2004, 11:07 AM

atleast they give that na...Nokia dosent even do that for their communicator phones...all they do is try to repair...and if they cant do it..they just return it back...they do not replace it....

And who knows...maybe they do that for T100 also...i am telling u my experiece.....
dude, u can claim 30% of your money, if your phone is lost (with an FIR), all phones of nokia including 33xx series....
and btw, who told SE gives u theift insurance?

allajunaki

15-11-2004, 11:21 AM

Ok the Clash of titans.. Differences in Logic.

--Nokia--
Nokia had (past-tense) the Best UI. phones like 8110 was the easiest to use phones in the world.. U wanna accept a call open the flap. reject? no problem Quick open-shut of flap will reject the call.. Need to boost the volume?? Controls were on the the left side (a.la Samsung style) besides there were deidicated buttons for Accep and reject calls (In case u didnt like the Flap Open Close idea). and yes 2 Buttons for Navigation and a 'C' for quick deletion of messages and for other misc. tasks and a Scroll up and down. It sounds too many buttons, But trust me , it was sooo easy that even my mom could use it without any training....(mom's Gadget phobic)
and then Nokia came out 3210-3310 (both I have owned) had Single 'Navi' key which was supposed to make things less confusing.. But in reality it just made things a lil worse.. But still nokia had the best menu. Motorola T168 i had , had a more complex menu... So Nokia still ruled..
Then as phones became more and more feature rich, Nokia's Simple effective menu became too much bloated and too difficult. Epitome being 3650 (I still have one.. ) writing a message reqired too many button clicks (Nokia Menus feel text like..) Now Nokia's are sensible enuf to use more buttons for navigation. It still needs improvement but its getting there...

--Sony Ericsson--
Sony Ericcson Menu structure is so Simple. Its very confusing in the begining coz its on a different idea than Nokia. SE beleives more the button, the better.. And I beleive em.
Just take my T610 for example.
Two Soft keys
Left for Selecting something (Same task accomplished by pressing Depressing Joystick )
Right Button for more tasks (Like Message fowarding In Messages)
Left Bottom navi. is for return. Goes One menu structre UP.
right Navi key is 'C' cancel key.. (its like esc key in comp)
5-way Joystick.
Volume Up/Down
Cam utton
There is also an Online button ( That can be easily hacked to change it into Write a new SMS.. So i have a dedicated one button Create SMS Option!!)

Another Not much discussed feature in SE T68i Upwards is its Superb multitasking skill. How many nokia's can u access full menu??
Yeah u can access Messages.. Big deal , all phones can. SE can access FULL MENU!! that includes Camera , Picture editior , Music DJ, Voice Recorder and Playback, JAVA and Mophun Games, Everything.. (U can even Listen to ringtones and stuff damn it!!). Thats because SE uses Dual Processors in most of the Phones (SE T610 and T630 Uses a 8bit 12Mhz AVR processor for Phonecall and 32(or 16??)Bit 32Mhz ARM preocessor for multimedia functions). So it make really convinient if u are on Handsfree.. I some times play games and click pics when im on call.. (yeah thats while im on handsfree).

I may sound like a SE fanboy, But trust me I was a nokia Fan once.
I have used 8110,3210,3310,3510i (my friends owned 7650,3330,6610,2100 and numerable other models) but all of us have diverged to other brands (me had a Panasonic GD68, then Samsung C100) . All i can tell u is, Once we migrated out of Nokia, we were thankful that we did (that Includes my DAD who was dying to buy a Communicator, but on my insistance bought a p800!!).

All nokia Fan boys have used (a)only nokia phones OR (b) not used any new and good phones by other brands.

And lets not talk about Nokia build quality... They Used to be good.. But not anymore...
Samsung has better Build quality, (My Samsung C100 was drenched in WATER when it was on, It was in my Rain Jacket pocket when i was riding my bike and water leaked in.. When i took it out water was oozing out of charging port and keypads.. Phone didnt start.. Removed the battrey and left it overnight, and turned it on again , AND iT WORKED without any complaints!!! oh yeah Same phone once fell out of my pocket in a Isolated street when i was doing 60-80Kmph ... (Thankfully i picked it up before some car ran over it..)..And all phone did was show 'please wait ' for 3-5 secs and restared on its own and phone was good to go again!! Nokia's didnt give that kid of experiece,,, my friend Dropped his 3510i onece and Display died!! (and interestingly recoverd by Reflashing BIOS!! needless to say he sold his immediatley (though Mine is still in my cupboard).

But now Our family is Proud to be Completly Nokia free..
Mom Uses my Samsung C100.
My sis never lets her SE T610 out sight (its a good lookin fone complements her good looks ;) )
I swear by my SE T610.
Dad cant live without his P800 (Used my T610 for a week, but he is too addicted to his p800.. I'm still trying to get his p800 ;) )
....

and Mind u Im the only Gadget Freak in my house...

Abhijit_T

15-11-2004, 12:29 PM

and inspite of nokia's considerable lead in market share, the poll here is tied at 50-50

drgrudge

15-11-2004, 01:19 PM

and inspite of nokia's considerable lead in market share, the poll here is tied at 50-50
wait till every member votes for his/her choice....

"NO ELECTIONS ARE WON UNTILL EVERY VOTES ARE COUNTED"

funkymonkey

15-11-2004, 02:13 PM

hey all you SE fans answer this to me.
I was SE user and oved T68 and t610 which i used. but then I switched to first ngage and 3660 and now 6600 and i am really impressed with these phones. Can your SE phone do what my 6600 phone does?
1. Can it connect to MIRC?
2. does it give you live weather report?
3. Does it allow you to carry your data with you?
4. does it let you view your word and powerpoint files on your phone?
5. does it work as security or spy camera?
6. Does it allow you to play cool games with real 3d graphics, and no not just 4-5 that come wit phone but 100s of others, java and ngage games
7. Does it allow you to install custom softwares according to your needs
8. Does it act like a mini GPS device to tell you where you are?
9 does it allow you to record unlimited video?
10. Does your phone act like Answering machine?
11. Does it allow you to play full mpeg and xViD movies on your phone?
12.Does your phone act as a remote control for all your home devices?
13. Does your phone allowes you to manage winamp playlist from your phone using bluetooth?

Only SE phone that can come close to these are to top of the end P800 and P900. Every series 60 phone from Nokia can do this and they start at as low as 7.5K

drgrudge

15-11-2004, 02:14 PM

Nokia had (past-tense) the Best UI.
nokia has (present tense and future tense,as well) the best UI. and this may differ personnaly, but on the whole many like nokia UI's.

and then Nokia came out 3210-3310 (both I have owned) had Single 'Navi' key which was supposed to make things less confusing.. But in reality it just made things a lil worse.
i agree with u that 33xx has a "navi"- single key to all the navigations..., but if u r used to it then there wont be any problem. there are amny people who still buy these type of phones....

Just take my T610 for example.
Two Soft keys
Left for Selecting something (Same task accomplished by pressing Depressing Joystick )
Right Button for more tasks (Like Message fowarding In Messages)
Left Bottom navi. is for return. Goes One menu structre UP.
right Navi key is 'C' cancel key.. (its like esc key in comp)
5-way Joystick.
Volume Up/Down
Cam utton
the same is there for 6600 also..., even that has a joystick, and "c" cancel key.
and coming to "c" cancel key, this is a key which all nokia phones ( or any other phone)will have.and it is esc key in comp.

There is also an Online button ( That can be easily hacked to change it into Write a new SMS.. So i have a dedicated one button Create SMS Option!!)
even in a 6610, we can create a new sms by just clicking a single button. in standby mode just press on left navigator button.

So it make really convinient if u are on Handsfree.. I some times play games and click pics when im on call.. (yeah thats while im on handsfree).
even this u can do while in handsfree, in a nokia phone too.

All nokia Fan boys have used (a)only nokia phones OR (b) not used any new and good phones by other brands.
i have used T100 , and after using for a year it suxs. it had a software problem, did not catch signal properly....

And lets not talk about Nokia build quality... They Used to be good.. But not anymore...
who told? my father has dropped 6610 many times and still nothing has happened..., do tell me one thing?33xx is the best in terms of built quality..., do u deny it?

Samsung has better Build quality, (My Samsung C100 was drenched in WATER when it was on, It was in my Rain Jacket pocket ........ STORY EDITED ......onece and Display died!! (and interestingly recoverd by Reflashing BIOS!! needless to say he sold his immediatley
this is a nokia versus SE, not samsung...., maybe samsung has a good built quality..., i haven't used it yet...
and comming to the story of yours..., once myself and a dosen of our class mates went to "blue lagoon, ecr, chennai" , it had a beach and one of my friends had his 2300 in his pocket , after sometime did he realise that he had a phone in his pocket, and when he switched it off, and switched it on..., it worked it fine. remember it was salt water.

But now Our family is Proud to be Completly Nokia free..
Mom Uses my Samsung C100.
My sis never lets her SE T610 out sight (its a good lookin fone complements her good looks Wink )
I swear by my SE T610.
Dad cant live without his P800 (Used my T610 for a week, but he is too addicted to his p800.. I'm still trying to get his p800 Wink )
ok, each one of like a phone personally, but that does not mean that it is all better than nokia.
wanna know wht my family has?
my father has 6610, my brother has a n gage QD...., they are very much satisfied with their phones....

frostt

16-11-2004, 02:33 AM

hey all you SE fans answer this to me.
I was SE user and oved T68 and t610 which i used. but then I switched to first ngage and 3660 and now 6600 and i am really impressed with these phones. Can your SE phone do what my 6600 phone does?
1. Can it connect to MIRC?
2. does it give you live weather report?
3. Does it allow you to carry your data with you?
4. does it let you view your word and powerpoint files on your phone?
5. does it work as security or spy camera?
6. Does it allow you to play cool games with real 3d graphics, and no not just 4-5 that come wit phone but 100s of others, java and ngage games
7. Does it allow you to install custom softwares according to your needs
8. Does it act like a mini GPS device to tell you where you are?
9 does it allow you to record unlimited video?
10. Does your phone act like Answering machine?
11. Does it allow you to play full mpeg and xViD movies on your phone?
12.Does your phone act as a remote control for all your home devices?
13. Does your phone allowes you to manage winamp playlist from your phone using bluetooth?
Only SE phone that can come close to these are to top of the end P800 and P900. Every series 60 phone from Nokia can do this and they start at as low as 7.5K

dude u r urself giving the answer to ur question....SE p800\900\910i can do all these and better...

Please read the earlier pages.....price isnt a issue here

Now tell me answer to ur question
tell me which nokia phone allows u2 do unlimited video recording...

drgrudge

16-11-2004, 01:52 PM

even after 39 votes, there dont seem to be a clear winner....

allajunaki

16-11-2004, 05:35 PM

Hello ,
drudge and Funkymonkey.. Lets not compare T610 to a 6600 or 3660,
6600 and 3660(3650) uses Symbian OS Series 60.. Which is a Flexible OS running.. They have installable applications.. These Phones Are in between Smart Phones and PDA Phones(6600 is a PDA Phone)...
and Ngage too is a Series 60 Phone...

Im comaparing to nokia series 40 and below series phones (6610 , 7250i etc etc..)
No Doubt serie 60 phones are s e x y. If i have enuff money i will def. go for it...(hell if i had enuff money i will go for P900) .
But lets not Compare t610 wid these phones.. That way i can compare and show u why P900 is better that 3310... :P

drgrudge

16-11-2004, 07:12 PM

Hello ,
drudge
drgrudge or Doctor grudge.

(6600 is a PDA Phone)...
and Ngage too is a Series 60 Phone...
who told 6600 is a PDA phone?

No Doubt serie 60 phones are s e x y. If i have enuff money i will def. go for it...(hell if i had enuff money i will go for P900) .
p900 costs a cool 38k. no nokia phone is that costly....
vertu costs 15 lac rs. but that is different.

But lets not Compare t610 wid these phones.. That way i can compare and show u why P900 is better that 3310... :P
ok, shall we compare t100 with 7610?

frostt

16-11-2004, 10:24 PM

p900 costs a cool 38k. no nokia phone is that costly....
vertu costs 15 lac rs. but that is different.

y is that diffrent...vertu is the shittiest phone...no features...just looks and body...but still it costs 15 lacks...Only people in India using vertu are to whom nokia gifted the phone on its launch date...

Saharika

17-11-2004, 02:04 PM

frostt

18-11-2004, 03:28 AM

well even i was gifted nokia i dont think either of them is good
after all it has been PDA year coming
so i think we will be outdated with mobile
an yway moblie is always going to rule
hope that i will have pda next year
thks
saha
india the it gaint

see this is wht i meant....nokia is only famous cause of its reputation that it had made earlier....and people do not like changes...

allajunaki

18-11-2004, 02:05 PM

hmm.. P900 is expensive... But when P900 was released Nokia's Answer was communicator ( And we all all know The old Comunicator Sucked feature wise.. hell Communicator had even less features than 6600).

And Dr.Grudge No point being Fanboyism attitude.. coz im not..
I will still buy a Nokia if they have a good model that will convice me, during my next phone change cycle... (If samsung has better it will be samsung). and pls understand I did my homework before buying all my phones.. So Please, all the phone I bought had the best bang for da Buck when i bought em..
And yeah, My friend got 6600 this diwali.. Awesome phone, but they forgot that ringtones are meant to be heard from pockets not when placed next to your ear.. Apart from that is one helluva phone..
But if I had that much of moolah and if K500i had BT and Expansion Slots , then I would have still preffered k500 i or k700i for that matter.
So @ the price point of 3660 and 6600 , they are the best deals.. but @ the price point of T610, nothing even comes close to it.. (other options were 3200 and 7250i , Samsung X600 was cool 10k.. T610 was 8.7k )