Nokia versus Sony Ericsson

[freakanomics]

I'm stuck!! se phones are more cute and appealing to the youth. se w series is way ahead of its competitors in terms of camera pic quality as well as sound quality. only bad thing is that all most all se fones have a screen too small. And nokia fones have better facilities,better build quality,a very good range in terms of cost as well as fones and are more well known!! I favour n70 and w810i.

[aryayush]

And nokia fones have better facilitiesWrong!


better build qualityWrong!


a very good range in terms of cost as well as fonesIf you look at them closely, they are just similar phones with different prices - which means that they release ten phones where the job could have been done with three or four. Sony Ericsson phones also come at all price levels (except the hyper priced phones which cost in excess of thirty thousand), except that they get the job done with fewer but more varied phones.


are more well knownWhy does it matter!!

[speedyguy]

se r alwez better dude.....just d matter of name which nokia has....though it doesnt matter....just need 2 make a smart chioce...gud luk

cheers

[bukaida]

What b'out the battery life of nokia folks? SE doesnot come anywhere near it.

[speedyguy]

correction there....who sez se battery life doesnt come close to nokia.... infact recent launches from se come wit a very gud battery life...

cheers

[nony23]

what makes nokia better i dont think any thing special in it except battery backup sony erricson got much better functions sond quality and 3g are the top features of se what nokia have







Sony Ericsson on the top



any body needs more qute against nokia can reply me





nokia no where stand against SE

[Pathik]

what makes nokia better i dont think any thing special in it except battery backup sony erricson got much better functions sound quality and 3g are the top features of se what nokia have

Nokia has 3G to... in fact it nokia introduced it earlier than SE


Sony Ericsson on the top

Yea yea... we know...

any body needs more qute against nokia can reply me

wat is qute??? nd yup i replied... :p


nokia no where stand against SE
Wake up...

[caje143]

I am confused... dont know whom to vote for...
well SE have sexy looks especially the Walkman series...
and Nokia is the all time favourite of the majority....

so am really confused... cant i vote for both???:-(

[::cyborg::]

Sony Ericsson

[Tech Geek]

Sony ericson

[Manshahia]

nokia is the BEst cmpni... :D

[rajwansh2003]

nokia though with many problems.
See Nokia E60(Rs.16,000), Nokia 6131(Rs.9,500) screen.
1600 battery life.
N70m Sound and other
Never forget camera 5MP N95 (King of the ring)

[desh2s]

you can't compare nokia with SE. Nokia phones are far better than SE but the main drawback is that they are always overpriced. if you talk about price/performance ratio SE phones are better.

[Destruction]

get real desh, hav u used se phones.

i hav used both nokia as well as se (6600 and now w700i), and i can definately say Sony Erricson rocks.

nokia is nowhere near sony, doesnt matter wat u compare .

i ll may never returned to nokia again.

[max_demon]

SE k750i , is the BEST :twisted: no phone comes in the way ,

[yogi_7272]

SE k750i , is the BEST :twisted: no phone comes in the way ,

i second that .. one of the best phone..

even my n73me is waiting ..to be used ..:D

[amitava82]

Sony Ericsson for me... I'd rather prefer a good looking phone than a piece of Brick in my pocket..

[nikkiddl]

Sony is best

[krazyfrog]

Nokia for me. They're the ones who brought smartphones to the masses. Unlike SE who reserves them for the elite few who have big bucks to spare.

[Pathik]

Yea... krazy is rite... but that is if SE does hav smartfones... :p

[Destruction]

I considered SE phones as smart phones no doubt about it.

if u could load tones of java application, games on your se phones then

ur point to consider nokia best is not valid for me.

[krazyfrog]

Java apps are nothing compared to symbian apps. The variety found in symbian can never be matched by java apps. And its not like symbian phones don't support java. So its a double advantage.
Also smartphones are more than just able to download lots of apps. The other big reason is multi-tasking, which only smartphones can do. Only those who've done it know the importance and convenience of multi-tasking. Also smart phones can be customized and altered to insane levels.
Its not that SE doesn't have smartphones. The P-series from SE is very popular and for good reasons. Take the P990i for example. 'Every thing but the kitchen sink (and maybe EDGE)' is how i'd describe. But its way to expensive. Instead of an all-in-one smartphone why can't SE have smartphones with more diverse features at cheaper price. The cheapest is M600i. But even that costs 14.5k and still lacks EDGE and a camera.
Another thing i don't like about SE is why can't they put both 3G and EDGE is one phone. They put only one at a time or none at all.

[Pathik]

i personally feel that my qd is smarter than p990i..

[sreek30]

i prefer se bcoz clarity is more in se than nokia

[desh2s]

me too feel that symbian phones are better than any other phone. as they have the capability of an OS.

[speedyguy]

dats rite those who used symbain only can know...i used n6600 then 7710.....n used to get pissed wit tones of virus, sluggish speeds, software problems....abt multi-tasking...it takes ages to run single task at full load...i nearly threw both of em...gettin frustated i tuk k series of se...fast, simple, better features, quality cam n sound at best price....n no tension of bundled softies n viruses....fewh!

Enjoy~!

[krazyfrog]

^^ Dude you've just owned two of the slowest Symbian phones ever made. No wonder you are frustrated. Even i'd thrown them out of the window if i were you. But that doesn't mean all Symbian phones are bad. Its just your bad luck you ended up with those two. Next time choose well.

[Pathik]

6600 is slow no doubt... but cant say that abt 7710... its as fast as u keep it...

[speedyguy]

kept it as i cud...dats for my experince but i got tons of frnds possessing other symbian fones...no doubt it gives u advntge of adding more softies but its al d same again in dat area....

Enjoy~!

[uppalpankaj]

Sony ericsson rocks

SE is releasing so many new models which are really cool. SE phones give more value for money.

[vipergt]

se rules

[Tech.Masti]

oooph..... fight still running .....;)

[pannaguma]

for me nokia is king

[dhan_shh]

Multimedia Specialist-NOKIA


When it comes to 'Walkman'-Music --Nothing can match 'Sony Ericcsson'-the Ultimate Leader!!

[fun2sh]

ME TOO LIKE SONY ERICSSON but wish that they start usin symbian OS in all phone :cool:

[CadCrazy]

I Disagree...............

SE is the multimedia king :)

me too, SE is multimedia king

[aryayush]

ME TOO LIKE SONY ERICSSON but wish that they start usin symbian OS in all phone :cool:What would be the difference between them and Nokia then! Why don't you just use Nokia instead?

[speedyguy]

goood...newez no offence tryin os's for se also...their processing is fast n components r performing so can try to optimise wit new ideas but newez still they work quite well wit wat they r

Enjoy~!

[gadgetfreak]

thats cos their OS aint as heavy as symbian

[aryayush]

Operating systems have different weights? :o

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/381/aryayushuserbarkm0.gif

[dtox]

sony ericsson.. this comes from a nokia user with 3 yrs expierence.. used sony erisson for 2 month n i already have fallen in love...:D

[NIGHTMARE]

nokia 9500 there no competitor in sony erisson

[REY619]

Nokia.
Thanx!

[uppalpankaj]

I have become a SE fan. I have used nokias before. But lemme tell u, Nokias are nowhere near SEs.

[Third Eye]

It depends on person needs.but i will go for SE this time.

[krazyfrog]

I've been using a W710i for the past 1 month and i'm already missing my N Gage QD. The phone has lots of features with good sound quality and great camera, but i miss the smartphone functionality of my QD a lot. In fact i'm afraid i might get bored of this phone soon. SE or nokia, i'm not buying a non-smartphone ever again.

[ashisharya]

se rox

[oval_man]

Samsung is likely to beat both NOkia & SE!!!

U600 is Simbly Superb!!!

i600 will be a big hit!!!!

Wait & Watch!

[sreek30]

i"ll go for se bcoz it has sound quality which cannot be matched by nokia and has better clarity in pictures

[gdatuk]

hands down nokia

[ThinkFree]

Nokia, haven't given a try to Sony Ericsson

[esumitkumar]

I have both used Nokia and SE..in terms of signal,sound quality and battery nobody can beat Nokia ...SE is best in terms of Sound......
thats why I am trying to change my W700i

[arcticflare]

It's nokia for me hands down..
My first mobile was an SE, went against my dad's advise to go for a nokia. The battery life's worst for SE(I had to carry the charger everyday to college) and the phone would frequently hangup as if it were runnin on win xp. Finally after a nightmarish year with SE i let go of it and went for a nokia 6600. Since then, no more hassles or probs with nokia even after it sliiped frm my hands on nearly 20-30 occasions and crashed onto the floor.

[krazyfrog]

SE sound quality is very overhyped. I've been using a Walkman phone for a month now and i find nothing special in the sound quality. Its not even close to that of N91 which supports even full sized headphones without any problems while giving great sound and volume. All those recommending SE for its sound should hear an N91 with good headphones once. Its guaranteed to blow your mind. You'll never go back to your Walkman again.

[esumitkumar]

One more thing SE has got very bad adpater for charging..The port is so sensitive and pins are there..i accidentally broke one pin while taking charger out of port.....new charger bought ...but woh bhi port main thoda hilane ke baad hee charge hota hai ........SE should look @ ergonomics part too

[infra_red_dude]

The port is so sensitive and pins are there.

agree wid you. SE needs to better on that.

[eggman]

agree wid you. SE needs to better on that.
+ 1

[phuchungbhutia]

i also have the problem with the charger ... in se phone ... any way to make it work ... other than hillana ...
se should look into this ....

[speedyguy]

+1 for port...i too faced similar problem although not reqd to change anything yet...but i heard n81 sound...its damn good but only on phones wich is not exactly by nokias....i did same for most basic k300i phone (price 4.7k) n got a better sound from it...just had 2 equalise to jazz mode....

abt 6600...that wud b d last fone i wud go for.....thrs no way its hassle free...tons of bundled softies making it a looooot sloww n more virus proned...after runnin after formatting it several times i finally got rid of it....n got k300....much faster..although no symbian i agree....better cam n much better sound...n mainly hassle free

planning to buy a samsung soon for 5mp camera

Enjoy~!

[cooldudie3]

my choice is...............................................








SONY ERICSSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i've just noticed that nokia's care center has been put to a less ppl location but it's still a lot of ppl!
in SE care center is placed at a huge plaza's ground floor and it is empty!
that means SE fones don't break down as much as nokia
also my n80 is soooo badly breaking down (in just half year:D :D )

[speedyguy]

shudnt hv much probs wit n series but urs does lack in case of size...ts like a brick...n not handy...

n its not like they hv more problems...ts like they hv more buyers...but iv alwez prefd se coz i focus more on cam n sound quality n ofcourse price value....for an os like symbian...i hv a tablet notebook... :)

Enjoy~!

[Ramakrishnan]

Sony ericsson phone are better designed and feature rich. If you compare nokia with SE, for the same features one has to shell out additional money for nokia phones. I have not used nokia, but from the experience of my friends, it is clear that there is no truth in saying that its quality is good. Many of my friends have purchased new handsets after about a year's use due to malfunctions. Surprisingly, many of them went for other brands like SE,motorola etc. Take for instance K750i, its lens is covered very nicely and the photos taken by it are really good. Moreover the sound quality is superb. I vote for SE. SE ZINDABAD!!!

[VexByte]

In India, SE is in the 3rd position(sales-wise) even behind the Motorola !

The most important reason for that is that SE is still having fewer phones below Rs.5000 price range compared to Moto/Nokia.

[allwyndlima]

For me it would have to be Nokia all the way.SE has a very bad history with it's analog stick layout.It's the worst feature of all SE phones which posses an analog stick.They are extremely stiff & very sensitive.Moreover the OS is a bit tacky.Not as user friendly as Nokia is.The sound quality too is strictly ok both for Walkman & Non-Walky series.

[sourishzzz1234]

no reasons form the ones who voted for SE huh!?na different people differnt views...

[sandeepk]

@VexByte yes you are right. That may be one of the reasons why they are behind motorola.
I vote for nokia for user friendlyness. Sony Ericsson does lack that feature.

[rockthegod]

I vote for nokia for user friendlyness. Sony Ericsson does lack that feature.

what the .... !!!!!! SE is more (or should I say on par ???) user friendly and comfortable to use than nokia... for e.g. just tried much talked about 3110c ... this piece of trash doesn't even have a file manager... my friend having a hard time to arrange his files on his microSD card... w/o the usb data transter cable the phone is extremely difficult to oragnaize... and pathetic 1.3 MP photo quality... :x

[He28]

Wait guys...

All this crap is stated by some, drgrudge and he or she seems to be some Nokia agent/employee.

There is no point in discussing which one is the best. Nokia, once upon a time was the best cell phone. These days the built, battery and software is real pathetic. Nokia is getting worst day by day. I bought Nokia 3230 and within 6 months of it's purchase the silver color started chipping off and Bluetooth started giving problems. Also, it's joystick is about to break. I asked for help in -- http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63852. Imagine my state of mind after spending 16000/- on the 'High End' phone with such issues.

Let me know if Sony's w810i a good choice...??

Most of my friends are using Sony Ericsson with no problems. So bottomline is:

Sony Ericsson Rules.
Sony Ericsson Is The Best!!

[krazyfrog]

this piece of trash doesn't even have a file manager... my friend having a hard time to arrange his files on his microSD card... w/o the usb data transter cable the phone is extremely difficult to oragnaize... and pathetic 1.3 MP photo quality... :x There is something called Gallery in Nokia S40 phones which works similar to the File Manager in SE phones. One doesn't need to be an Einstein to figure out how it works. Even a mentally retarded person can figure it out. And the camera is same (quality wise) as the one in Z550i. Which means even your beloved SE doesn't believe in giving good cameras in phones of this class as it is not required.

[rockthegod]

There is something called Gallery in Nokia S40 phones which works similar to the File Manager in SE phones. One doesn't need to be an Einstein to figure out how it works. Even a mentally retarded person can figure it out. And the camera is same (quality wise) as the one in Z550i. Which means even your beloved SE doesn't believe in giving good cameras in phones of this class as it is not required.

Ok lemme know how u can create a subfolder within the MEMORY CARD folder in gallery and organize all the disarranged types of files in there .. like i wanna create a subfolder "Photos" and wanna let all the photos automatically save within that subfolder in the mem card folder OR I wanna move specific items to specific subfolders within the Memory Card (3110c strictly... ) All these without the intervention of a PC and any 3rd party utils... lemme see the boomin einstein in ya !!!! duh....... :x

And what about 3Gp videos.. whenver they are encoded (in lowest bitrate and supported resolutions).. and placed in the phones.. OMG.. the phone reboots... wow !!!!!!!!!!! :x 3110 SUKS BIG TIME !!! Wastage of 7000 buks !!!

Ok.. I am posting the original pic taken by 3110c... in complete daytime.... dude whaddya cam quality :D :D

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/639/image004wi1.th.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image004wi1.jpg)

I admit that I hv never used SE Z series of phones.. only W and K series... the cam in both of them is excellent !!! [:)]

[krazyfrog]

1. To create a new folder or sub-folder, press Options>Add folder.
2. To move a file to a folder, press Options>Move. If you're moving it to a folder within a folder, after selecting Move option, press Option>Open folder. Keep doing this till you reach the desired folder. When you reach the folder you need to move the file to, press Select.
3. No phone that i know allows one to directly save the captured images in a folder of ones choice. It first saves it in the default folder, and then one can move it to the desired folder. 3110c is no exception to this.
4. The quality of image captured from its camera is more than adequate for its class, most of which can only manage upto VGA. Infact 3110c is one of the few phones at that range to offer a megapixel camera. Actually the quality of image captured from my 2mpix W710i is hardly better than the image you posted, and it costs 10k now.

[rockthegod]

1. To create a new folder or sub-folder, press Options>Add folder.
2. To move a file to a folder, press Options>Move. If you're moving it to a folder within a folder, after selecting Move option, press Option>Open folder. Keep doing this till you reach the desired folder. When you reach the folder you need to move the file to, press Select.


Wow !!! it seems u havn't handled a 3110c..... !!!! dude.. first go and have a first hand experience with that trash and then tell these general steps which work flawlessly with SE phones. God, the more I work with Nokia's so called medium to high end phones.. I get more and more addicted to my SE.

Ok.. lemme make this all clear.... u can move any files UPTO the "Memory Card" folder (in the gallery) and can't access any kind of subfolders in it. U hafta use a separate card reader to do so or use the data cable. Any 3110c user here ???

No phone that i know allows one to directly save the captured images in a folder of ones choice. It first saves it in the default folder, and then one can move it to the desired folder. 3110c is no exception to this

Oh.. dude... again it is established that u do not have a first hand experience with this phone. IT IS INDEED POSSIBLE to make 3110c save its snaps in the "memory card" folder rather than its default. I want to go to any specific subfolder within the "Memory card" folder and not save them randomly. :)

Again my W850i can be given the choice where to specifically save its photos , the phone memory or the mem stick pro duo. It automatically creates a default folder 100DSCIM and saves the pics there. :)

Duh.. a K600i Cam quality is far better than 3110c..... !!!! :)

[krazyfrog]

It took me a while to control my laughter and type this post. Your apparent lack of knowledge in handling S40 phones and overflowing fanboyism for SE has what has made you type the above post. I did clearly mention that to reach and paste within any folder within the Memory card you should first press Option>Open folder. If you directly press Select, then the file will be saved in the main folder of memory card. Instead selecting Open folder option, you have access to the inner folders. Selecting Open folder again will open the sub-folder (if there are any). Once you reach the last folder, open folder option will be unavailable and you'll have to save in that last folder. Go get that 3110 from your friend and follow the steps i've explained. You'll see that it works. I'll agree that the process is not as intuitive as in SE's file manager and i don't blame you for missing it (most people do). But it is by no means non-existing as you proclaimed. As for saving pictures in memory card or phone memory, of course its possible in every phone with memory card support. What i thought is that you're talking of saving the image in a particular folder within memory card or phone memory of your choice which is certainly not possible in any phone. The image will always be saved in the pre-allotted folder in the particular memory. Next time please understand others post before replying and make your own post more clear. Also i've spent ages working with Nokia phones (and recently SE phones) and have more experience with them than you can even imagine and obviously won't tolerate any doubts about my experiences with them.

[rockthegod]

1) first of all u r rite that I dun hv ne prolonged experience with S40 phones... as far my first time hands-on experience goes, it has always been extremely pathetic with Nokia phones (except extremely low budget ones). Thus my initial point was re-established by yourself only "SE is more user friendly than nokia phones". :) I would rather stick to a phone with more intuitive and user friendly interface rather than the ones which require more than a years experience to get its features known :P

2) Second, I have never been any kind of fanboys of any specific company and i am only favouring SE here becuz the thread is of SE and Nokia :P.. I personally have an XDA O2, 2 moto s, and 3 SE s. My experience with Nokia has always been pathetic... so the phone and its manufacturer are to blame.... coz I never had any kind of unfavourable experiences with other good high end phones (I stress the word "above budget and entry levels"). They have always been as easy to operate as a breeze. I remember my first hands on experience with N73... the phone took nearly 3 minutes to boot up and was slow as hell and felt like a huge piece of brick... (then again some people may argue that was due to softwares like Antivirus installed.... phew... :P )

3) If I have hurt your sentiments and your experience than I am sorry . :) But at this point i cannot get to that 3110c as my friend has gone away, which i would love to get my hands on to experience your method of working with folders. But again if you are right then it will just strenthen my idea to stay away from Nokia all the more ... :)

4) Also u have understood me poorly... I NEVER said that I wanna create folder named "PICTURES" (for e.g.) within "Memory Card" and direct my phone to save snaps there.. what i meant was was like if the phone saves in a default location like "CAMERA" (for e.g.) within the Phone memory then I wanna direct it to save in default folder "CAMERA" but on the memory card. Refer to W850s working ... W850 can be instructed to save its snaps in an organised manned\r.. the default name of the default folder remains the same i.e. "100DSCIM" but it can be created in both MSPD as well as Phone Memory so that the snaps always gets saved in an organised manner within the DEFAULT folder :) Hope this time its more clear. :)

[Pathik]

4) In nokia fones the default path for image storage is c\nokia\images for the fone memory and e\images for the mem card memory... is that wat u were asking??

[krazyfrog]

Well one thing is certain, as far as file managers are concerned, S40 Gallery lacks way behind SE's file manager which as good as one found in smartphones. But the question was never about user friendliness. You said that one can't move files to sub-folder and it is a flaw, when one can certainly can do that, even if in an unintuitive manner, which i pointed out to you. So thats the end of that i guess. Actually the entire S40 lags a bit behind SE's phones os, and i'd prefer SE's os anyday over S40. But Nokia isn't all about S40 os. Actually nowadays its more popularly known for its S60 which has redefined smartphones. Earlier smartphones were slow, buggy and complicated devices usually associated with geeks and super rich. But nokia changed it by making then cheaper and more user friendly and thus making it accessible to more people. This is what differentiate Nokia from others. They truly brought smartphones to the masses.

[rockthegod]

4) In nokia fones the default path for image storage is c\nokia\images for the fone memory and e\images for the mem card memory... is that wat u were asking??

yes, thats what i was asking but in case of 3110c there was no such thing... either the phone saves in IMAGES folder in phone memory OR if it asked to save in Memory Card, it directly saves it in root.

@krazyfrog: S60 phones again need AV for safety thus resulting in degradation in speed !!!! and they are costlier !!!! And Nokia actually did brought Smartphones to the masses but again those are less preferable (I personally prefer Windows Mobile platform) ... All the N series phones (except N93i, N95 and some Music edition Phones) looks and feels extremely uncomfortable. And not evryone is in dire need of cheaper buggy smartphones prone to viruses (about which a decent percentage of "masses" are not even aware of)

Actualy had given a thought about buying N95 earlier but the fact is it won't work with At&T HSDPA .... so no faida buying it !!! So now hafta wait for SE W960 to actually embrace the symbian platform personally.

[krazyfrog]

When i said masses, i didn't mean everyone needing a phone, but people who need a smartphone and all the features one offers but were unable to do so due to high price of earlier smartphones. One good example is Nokia 6600 which sold like hot cakes because it really had no competition when it was launched. Nokia now has many smartphones covering a large price range from 6k to 36k. There is a smartphone for everyone. No manufacturer can boast that now. Obviously its a matter of taste, but i myself find smartphones vastly superior to regular phones in nearly every aspect. They can be good looking, easy to use, affordable, have good features and can be fast too. About viruses and av, i always felt one has to be really dumb to get one on his phone. I used an N-Gage QD for more than two years and never got a single virus. If one is careful enough, one can avoid anti virus and anti virus. I'm sure pathiks would agree with me on this.
Btw why do you need HSDPA in india? We haven't even got WCDMA or UMTS yet. And N95 does support HSDPA.

[rockthegod]

naah.. I live most of year in US... and is very much accustomed to 3G ... been using my 8525 for about 8 months now.... and to say the least feels a little left-alone without it. N95 is incompatible with 1900 UMTS/HSDPA that Cingular uses... only N75/N80 is compatible. :)

yeah.. for e.g. in Berhampur in West Bengal people are goin tra-la-la over nokia .. "evrybdy uses nokia so i will use nokia .. end of message". u can't find a single outlet from which u can buy any other alternatives... an even some ppl has this concept that "virus"=== biological virus.. weird !!! here.. sheild and protect ur phone or they will catch virus out in the open. u hafta hear them (the masses who doesn't even know what Symbian is yet craving for Nokia N series) to believe it !!! :x

Smartphones obviously offer more flexibility but for some reasons I believe that cheaper alternatives just doesn't cut it (other than gaining or maintaining competitive market shares in countries like India). Beauty + coolness factor + degree of flexibility of smartphones all shows off true colors in the flagship counterparts be it any company. Why would i carry a brick slow as hell even if it is a smartphone (unless i am in dire need and my pockets are hollow !!!)

[qams]

I have Nokia.
But Sony Ericsson is better than Nokia.
Now! may be next version of iPhone will rule.

[pravinbv]

Yes its right, those who blame SE, have never used it.
Nokia is like " just have everything, no matter whatever the quality. example is music players, even in high end NSeries, the music is just like a local village banjo party quality sound. nothing about the quality. and the screen, everyone knows it. on the other hand, SE has the BEST quality Music. best quality display,
and the higher market share is because of the basic phones not beacause of the qauality phone. most of the share is beacause of phones like 1100, 1600, 2600, 1110, 3310, 3315, and the series is toooo long, just phone even a lindline phones now a days have better features. i dont know why people try to justify that Slooooooooooooooooooooooow processing, ( slowest processor in every phone) All the phone are same.:-x :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x

[Cool G5]

I am on Nokia side.

[Third Eye]

Yes its right, those who blame SE, have never used it.
Nokia is like " just have everything, no matter whatever the quality. example is music players, even in high end NSeries, the music is just like a local village banjo party quality sound. nothing about the quality. and the screen, everyone knows it. on the other hand, SE has the BEST quality Music. best quality display,
and the higher market share is because of the basic phones not beacause of the qauality phone. most of the share is beacause of phones like 1100, 1600, 2600, 1110, 3310, 3315, and the series is toooo long, just phone even a lindline phones now a days have better features. i dont know why people try to justify that Slooooooooooooooooooooooow processing, ( slowest processor in every phone) All the phone are same.:-x :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x


Chill man :D

[rob7]

Wait guys...



Let me know if Sony's w810i a good choice...??

Most of my friends are using Sony Ericsson with no problems. So bottomline is:

Sony Ericsson Rules.
Sony Ericsson Is The Best!!

I got mine a week ago.
Make sure to get an unlocked one.
My impressions on the sony ericsson w810i:
UNBELIEVABLE.

I was at a buddies apartment last night and we were in the basement. The walls were really thick and CONCRETE.

He had a motorola razor with t mobile monthly plan and i had my sonyericsson w810i with t mobile pay as you go.

He did not have a signal strength at all and i had 3 bars full.


Usually he NEVER gets calls in his basement b/c of his signal.
Well all of a sudden my phone is going between 2-3 bars and he gets a call from his girlfriend with 2 bars.

He LEECHED from my sony ericsson.
The call quality is amazing.
Photo quality is unbelievable too.
Never knew the orange circle in the front was for self portraits until today.

I was told Nokia was decent and was thinking of getting one once.
My buddy had a nokia flip phone and he bumped against a table corner.
When he unflipped his nokia the screen wouldnt work.

So Sony ericsson is first and Nokia comes second.

I highly recommond the sony ericsson w810i.

I was in a 3 story building on the third floor.
My buddy had a razor with cingular monthly service and he had no bars.
I had four bars.
This phone is unbelievable.
The quadband is amazing.

I believe it beats up ANY nokia by a longshot.

[entrana]

Se Rocks and w810i is also good

[azzu]

Pravinbv well said nokia has high market share coz of its low end mobiles

[esumitkumar]

but Nokia symbian 60 is best...so much availability of pirated softwares ;) and playing games on nokia is worth...the keys of W700i are so small ..fingers pain while typing two or three sms..game khelna to door ki baat hai

can anybody tell which is the cheap and best symbian 60 nokia ..wid a good speaker sound

[margish]

the Sound Quality of Sony Ericsson and its picture technology with the CYBERSHOT clearly proves Nokia to be a sucker....apart from that...Nokia Phones always get hanged....and the time taken for nokia phones to access the Data Storage Card is pathetic
and adding fuel to the fire are the queues @ Nokia Care Centres and the time they take to service ur handset........
Nokia is Cheating people......it just wants PROFIT!!!!
Since they never invent any technology...and just copy others...they have never mastered any of the technologies...jack of all trades
they are no match for Sony Ericsson

this is the hidden but the NAKED TRUTH bout NOKIA....i know this coz i work for Nokia CALL Centre...SCICOM in BANGALORE



Sony Ericsson ROcks

[kumarmohit]

@Margish

Why dig an old thread?

[warrior]

Nokia: User friendly menu (but all new models are complicated, even in e50, gallery is listed under media, which is supposed to be in the main menu), they have launched several models, but if we look very closely it will show that only frame has been changed and they added one or two more components (e.g. 6610 and 6610i, only vga camera). You can install all the stuffs which is belongs to symbian OS (obviously version specific e.g. LiveTV.sis can not be installed in version 3 where .sisx is meant for version 3 phones), cheap accessories (an headphone can be found under 100 bucks). Hanging is the common problem in Nokia, (you are in a call and you want to make con call, accessing menus, it hangs)

Sony Ericsson: Flash menus which are not in Nokia, menu and submenus are complicated as compared to normal Nokia phones; menu is constant in SE as compared to Nokia, means you will find same main menu in every (almost) normal SE phones where Nokia is lagging behind. Settings are more complicated e.g. for a GPRS settings you have to go thru by 3 different sub menus (Data comm.., Internet Profiles and Streaming Settings) where Nokia is having very easy steps to do the same (Settings > connections > access points). W/L file transfer is absolutely awesome in SE phones as compared to Nokia phones. In N6610, they have IrDA but it is workless for file transfer as they have not provided “send via infra” and in Nokia diff models are not successful to send files via IrDA, where in segment SE phones are far advanced. An even older J series phone has IrDA and it can be paired with w810, K750 etc. You can not install all the stuffs like Nokia as SE belongs to Java. Nokia is being sweetheart for virus attacks, where SE stands as a solid wall (I’m not talking about smart phones like communicator, P900 only compared 6600, 3230, N70, N73 with w810i, K790i, w910i etc).

P/N: I was a die hard fan for Nokia as I have used it for period on 4 years but I was missing something. I have changed my phone to SE but still I think something I want more. But honestly with SE I’m very much happy.

[ax3]

bt NOKIA is NOKIA ......

ur old nokia phone get a good bargain ...... whereas sony phone have less 2nd market compared 2 nokia .......

[Cool G5]

Now Nokia Xpress Music has pwaned W-series.
Also N82 beats SE in terms of camera quality. :cool:

[Head Banger]

Now Nokia Xpress Music has pwaned W-series.
Also N82 beats SE in terms of camera quality. :cool: A great saying of mobilereview forum..I had Tested every xpress series and believe me,only the 5610 comes close to walkman based phones(imo).Still sound quality is subjective.

[speedyguy]

m not sure abt experience which i dun hv yet on any....but news sez currently nokias music xpress is runnin in better than w-series....though m an se fan n also own one...n m very much satisfied wit it....i hv k300i, a lower end phone wit vga n basic media player at just 4.7k whose sound is better than many of higher end n-series...n cam can beat any vga cam frm nokia or any other...even gets closer to nokia 1.3mp s....

but nw ts fairly possible as i read in review....walkman r not upgrading thier hardware whr nokia n samsung hv put changes in thr hardware....se r working wit thier software n not sound chip...

Enjoy~!

[gx_saurav]

Although I m myself eyeing on the W960i, but with the recent launch of Nokia N82, I might have to change my preference. Other then the fact that N82 comes with a 5 MP Camera, it comes without a hard disk, a better screen, & no touch screen support which are sure to reduce the cost compared to W960i. Dimension wise they are similar.

[Gigacore]

SE Rocks

[Tech$oft]

I also used Sony Ericsson K750i for 5 months and i had faced many problems till now like battery life too much low, signal strength low , menu selector problem,sound quality metallic and scratchy and camera quality not as much good as nokia. I prefer nokia and itz best in its all quality and give perfect features in it not as sony ericsson.Now Xpress muzik also beats Walkman series and N82 as "CoolG5" said is best in camera beats all phones in camera

[Rockstar11]

I have Nokia N73.
But Sony Ericsson is better than Nokia.

hmm.. kabhi kabhi nokia pe mujhe gussa aa jata hai...http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/14.gif
N73ME maine sirf music aur camera ke liye liya tha..
aur mujhe kya mila.. hissing sound noise and blue haze image (low light enviroment) http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/2.gif
aur nokia ise kehte hai music edition aur 3.2 mp camera http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/realmad.gif
no new firmware update and fix for this bugs.http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/29.gif
im very dissipointed at nokia.http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/22.gif

music and camera = sony
video recording,S60 support = nokia

[Tech$oft]

But sony ericcson doesnt' have symbian support and nokia has symbian support and we can install many softwares and in sony mostly no softwares we can install, nokia rocks and sony sucks

[Cool G5]

^Right.
Also SE can't beat the signal reception offered by nokia.

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

for music its always SE .. nokia sucks at music
check out any website .. including mobile review

SE w910i is the only phone that Nokia Express beats
and Nokia express comes no close to Other Walkman

Walkman gives competition to apple ipod not Nokia Express
starting w800 equals Ipod .. Read any review.. and its only getting better with newer walkman phones


about reception .. don't be fooled SE is too good at it ..! if you did not know !
its only boring symbian that lacks

symbain is for uncles not for youngsters who want music and camera .. ! also there are lots of java games and apps .. incase you thought its not available

more over now its soo easy to customize SE Phones with Tools like XS++

[krazzy]

its only boring symbian that lacks

symbain is for uncles not for youngsters who want music and camera .. !Forget NOOB of the Week, that comment is worthy of NOOB of the Millenium.

[Rockstar11]

^^^ lol http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/24.gif

[infra_red_dude]

But sony ericcson doesnt' have symbian support and nokia has symbian support and we can install many softwares and in sony mostly no softwares we can install, nokia rocks and sony sucks
+1. Completely agree with you.

^Right.
Also SE can't beat the signal reception offered by nokia.
This is a myth.

[Pathik]

for music its always SE .. nokia sucks at music
check out any website .. including mobile review

SE w910i is the only phone that Nokia Express beats
and Nokia express comes no close to Other Walkman

Walkman gives competition to apple ipod not Nokia Express
starting w800 equals Ipod .. Read any review.. and its only getting better with newer walkman phones


about reception .. don't be fooled SE is too good at it ..! if you did not know !
its only boring symbian that lacks

symbain is for uncles not for youngsters who want music and camera .. ! also there are lots of java games and apps .. incase you thought its not available

more over now its soo easy to customize SE Phones with Tools like XS++
The newer XM fones pawn Walkman 2.0
Reception is good in both.
Forget NOOB of the Week, that comment is worthy of NOOB of the Millenium.
+ infinity :D

[thekewlestone]

Sony Ericsson Rules!!!
Nokia is better in the low end segment. Nokia's low end phones 3310/3315, etc are much better than SE's Low end phones. But in terms of Medium and high end segment SE Rules. Nokia is crippled by a number of problems.

1) Very Very poor Camera quality.
2) Sound has only loudness lacks quality.
3) Damn slow!!!
4) Unlimited viruses.

An advise for Nokia: Stick to making phones that u r gud at........low end 3310's. High end segment isnt for Nokia!!!!!

[Cool G5]

Sony Ericsson Rules!!!
Nokia is better in the low end segment. Nokia's low end phones 3310/3315, etc are much better than SE's Low end phones. But in terms of Medium and high end segment SE Rules. Nokia is crippled by a number of problems.

1) Very Very poor Camera quality.
2) Sound has only loudness lacks quality.
3) Damn slow!!!
4) Unlimited viruses.

An advise for Nokia: Stick to making phones that u r gud at........low end 3310's. High end segment isnt for Nokia!!!!!


1)Camera phones like N73,N82,N95 beats se phones camera.
2)XM series phones like 5700,5310,5610 have quality which W series lacks.
3)Try the new phones they are fast.
4)If you buy original softwares & accept BT connection from trusted source then their is no possiblities of viruses.


Regarding SE:
1)Very bad joystick & build quality.
2)SE lacks powerful OS like symbain.
3)Bad battery life considering presence of no symbain OS.

[rockthegod]

1)Camera phones like N73,N82,N95 beats se phones camera.
2)XM series phones like 5700,5310,5610 have quality which W series lacks.
3)Try the new phones they are fast.
4)If you buy original softwares & accept BT connection from trusted source then their is no possiblities of viruses.

1) Regarding CAM quality, K790 much better than N73 (N73 sucks totally here) but N95/N82 is better than K850... though N95 produces over-saturated colors...

2) XM series are better than average other Nokias, yet it lags in music quality of SE W850.. try playing HQ VBR mp3s (HQ in Fr encoder Settings)... compare the music on Sennheiser HD and u will see how much the XM series lag !!! (comparison w/o sfx)

3) yeah faster than old ones :D .. still the suckin slow symbian is slower than non-smartphone interface of SE (unless pumped up by the faster hardware of the likes of N95/N82).


Regarding SE:
1)Very bad joystick & build quality.
2)SE lacks powerful OS like symbain.
3)Bad battery life considering presence of no symbain OS.

1) Agreed on joystick but build quality is great on average though inferior to some Nokias.

2) I HATE symbian. sucking slow for my taste..... wud hv got an N95 if not for Symbian...

3) complete NOOBish perception.... it was bad in older generation of SEs, but after the W810 gen, they simply are good if not great !!!

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

The newer XM fones pawn Walkman 2.0
Reception is good in both.

+ infinity :D
i remember someone telling you that XM pawn SE walkman being said in mobile review

if you read it clearly .. ( something that you must do ) you will see that XM pwns Walkman 3.0 in W910i Only !! and does not beat Walkman 2.0 and Walkman in other SE phones !!

that point comes in discussion of new SE platform .. about w910i ! in Mobile Review site
and what mobile review guys says is not all .. that's his view ..
why not check out other review sites also .... XM fails to get close to Walkman !

my phone's got everything . music, camera , sms , internet

its got >>

Walkman music player
superb camera

Internet >> Opera Mini with mouse !! or use default browser !

video player
basic picture editor
basic music composer
basic video edior
sound recorder
blue tooth remote control
java games support .. and you get 1000s of them

alarams feature .. very cool with 5 alarams
applications for yahoo msgr gtalk opera mini are available
superb calandar to mangage stuff
tasks to manage tasks
notes
sync with internet server
timer
stopwatch
calculator
code memo to store passwords

this is more then enough i don't need 1000s of apps .. as i don't have time to paly with them all day !
me and my friends atleast never needed anything more then this

moreover it competes any standalone music player and gives tough competetion to ipod in music quality !! yeah it sucks in space 2 Gb only
about battery being bad think again
my k550i lasts for 5 days with normal usage .. with 3-4 calls 20 SMS and 2 hrs of music everyday !

or may be nokia is now going to make XM really cool ... so then its time to buy a XM !
not now ... !! till then SE Walkman !!
you should never go without testing for yourself .. ! or may be listen to some one who has tested !
yeah if i remember all new XM are non Symbian phones so shall we call them non nokia phones ;)

[speedyguy]

@akshay: plz post any source whr u read abt walkman 3.0 being pawn but not walkman 2.0 ....m also curious to know abt it...its imp for me as i hv 2 decide betn 2 soon

ps: i found one review here on w880 vs 5300 XM
http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/n/7653.html

Enjoy~!

[hahahari]

xcept for symbian on nokia[which I certainly dont miss] ..... SE trashes Nokia big time :)

[speedyguy]

we have a lot in terms of compitition now...just by sayin se trashes nok we cant make a point....latest reviews lead to different conclusions

Enjoy~!

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

see w910i review
also xm5310 review .. says its a good descent enough phone everywhere ! and beats walkman in one for two genres of music
its xm5310 that competes walkman not old XM .. old XM completely suck .. stay away !

[faraaz]

its got >>

Walkman music player
superb camera

Internet >> Opera Mini with mouse !! or use default browser !

video player
basic picture editor
basic music composer
basic video edior
sound recorder
blue tooth remote control
java games support .. and you get 1000s of them

alarams feature .. very cool with 5 alarams
applications for yahoo msgr gtalk opera mini are available
superb calandar to mangage stuff
tasks to manage tasks
notes
sync with internet server
timer
stopwatch
calculator
code memo to store passwords

this is more then enough i don't need 1000s of apps .. as i don't have time to paly with them all day !
me and my friends atleast never needed anything more then this

moreover it competes any standalone music player and gives tough competetion to ipod in music quality !! yeah it sucks in space 2 Gb only
about battery being bad think again
my k550i lasts for 5 days with normal usage .. with 3-4 calls 20 SMS and 2 hrs of music everyday !


But you see...therein lies the problem. Sony Ericsson still camera may be good, but it still takes archaic QVGA format videos on their flagship, the W960! Don't get me started on the K850 which just sucks donkey balls. If I wanted a still camera, I'd go buy a Canon or something...the reason people look for multifunctional devices is above average performance for multiple functions in 1 single device...Q.E.D Convergence.

For your second point which I have bolded, where you don't need more apps than that...well, kudos for you! But I use on a daily basis on my N80:

Qreader (e-book reader for .pdb, .txt. htm and .doc files)
Adobe reader (.pdf files)
Opera (free version for mobiles) for WLAN access etc

Now here's the kicker...these things are available on the Sony phones too, through Java MIDP based apps, but they are usually very basic in functionality because of their basis on Java, which is inherently slower than apps which are coded natively for a particular platform. And HERE is why you are a noob...allow me to bold the text for your benefit...

Just because you don't use doesn't mean others dont too! The fact that you feel yourself qualified enough to comment on the advantages or disadvantages of a particular company's mobile phones when you are woefully unaware of the brand you yourself are trying to champion is just the tip of the nooby iceberg of noobiness that is you!

k thx bai! :cool:

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

dude for and my my friends this is more then enough .. ! i never said you don't need it .. did i ??

and what do you mean unaware ?? i know SE very well dude .. !! don't be ignorant !! see my SE hacking threads and my deep knowledge on SE stuff and my SE threads !!

and here we are talking of good music and good camera in a PHONE
so don't bring your camera here !!
and if my phone can't take vidoes !! this i knew it before i got my phone .. i thought about it before buying !! so no need to remind me .. coz i was never interested in making videos !

Yes SE Sucks in Video .. i hate it !! for that !! i also hate SE marketing !
Even M2 sucks its soo costly !!

Symbain is not at all for me in a phone .. you need it does not mean everyone needs it !!

i wanted good music , slim , good camera in my budget !
SE k550 met my needs.. so i got it !!


@Others
people who have problems if WALKMAN Pwns XM .. Get a life !

I would have got an XM in that case !! but i have a Walkman .. because it wins !
i am not a fool to buy SE if XM was better then Walkman ! Let XM get better .. that should be my next phone !! !!

[faraaz]

and here we are talking of good music and good camera in a PHONE
so don't bring your camera here !!

Irrelevant...the discussion here is for phones with smartphone capabilities, which you yourself started by fanboy-ing about how awesome SE music is. Therefore, it is VERY important what the phone can do apart from just make calls. Don't noob yourself out mate...

people who have problems if WALKMAN Pwns XM .. Get a life !
I would have got an XM in that case !! but i have a Walkman .. because it wins !
i am not a fool to buy it if XM was better then Walkman ! Prove XM is better .. that should be my next phone !! am not a fan boy !!

I never mentioned XM in my post...nor did I call you a fan boy...don't do my work for me dude!


Symbain[sic] is not at all for me in a phone .. you need it does not mean everyone needs it !!

True...and since now that you have said this,I hope you realise the transferable inaccuracy of your statements and why you can never say one is better than the other.

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

^^ yes you can never say one is better then other over all
but do u accept that Walkman beats XM or not ??

hey that XM thing was @ all other peole not you !!

and i am here to battle out that SE Beats NOKiA in Music department
rest i don't care let SE lose .. coz i never needed those features !

i got my phone coz i wanted a mid end solution with good music !

so here speedguy is interested in music so that's all

what i said eariler is

this is more then enough i don't need 1000s of apps .. as i don't have time to paly with them all day !
me and my friends atleast never needed anything more then this
tell me where do you see everyone ?? i clearly say I don't need 1000s of apps !
by my friends i meant my friends at my college

Peace !!

i know you love your phone as much as i do mine !! it servers your needs well so does my phone

[rockthegod]

While it is true, that we don't actually need much appz for our day-to-day needs, Smartphones provide a greater degree of customization... As I mentioned earlier that I do not like Symbian OS and while in India, I wud always prefer SE (and I did) over Nokia Symbian based phones. I personally like Smarphones (w/o Symbian) with Windows Mobile (till now no other competitors here) because of the extreme flexibility it provides.. I have flashed my Tilt (HTC Kaiser or TyTn II variant) running Win Mo 6 Professional about a hundred times with varying WinMo variants and multitude of appz, it feels good when your device has an unlimited potential of customization and u can change the feel of the entire phone as and when u like it !!! :)

[speedyguy]

in case if we talk abt symbian wat actually u get wit it...if u really need in day-to-day life.....tel me very frankly how comfortable u r while reading ur pdf files on phone's small screen.....and opera for browsing....wat basically i need for browsing on phone is given in se phones browser...cant ask for a broadband experince wit opera or ie6 in a small mobile phone....

now this is wat ppl mostly take a phone for....

1> camera - so we need a file manager to browse pictures n a good quality camera...
now abt video...which fool says nokia gets a ntsc or pal type vdo rec...it may b litle better than se but can u really take videos n watch it on tv....
logically whoever wants a nice vdo recorder wont look in mobile phones coz they suck big time....basically they can b properly viewed in phones nly n for that....thrs no diff betn se n nokia

2>music player - huge controversy already goin abt xm n walkman so wont create another....even m confused now :)

3>calling features-well cant comment abt one....as both have thr own advantageous features fr calling

4>sms- now here again...u can customise ur own way of mesaging so ppl can hv diff opinions....

5>network strength- thrs a rumour that se hv poor reception but tk it frm me...wit personel exprnce....u can judge on it....at times i c nok not getting signal n at times se....so cant select any one

6> battery life- here again.....most symbian phones hv poor bat lifes as recored by numbr of complains...this is also my personel exp....nok hv bat life in thier basic phones but they r not satisfactory in higher end phones becoz of symbian n all....se has good bat life....much to surprise of many but just coz it does not hv so much os job to do...lol

7>durability - i wud giv this 2 nokia...thier finishing material used is costlier n higher quality than any other phone....but again higher ends cant be so tuff wit camera n all stuffs.....n ya...u shd certainly wont make a cricket ball of ur cell if u buy one...

8>resale- its very common....nokias hv highes market share n hv highest resale value....

so my point is...for d first 4 points....say picture browsing or smsing, thrs no doubt that symbian loaded phones r too loaded to run these fast enough...compare wit se they r really swift(now plz dunt say tats false) n ofcourse viruses not 2 mention...tsa nightmare 2 turn ur bluetooth or use data cables or surf net if u dunt regularly update ur antivirus database....plus if things go wrong ur softies stop 2 respond properly making ur cell almost unsuable.....then long trips to dealers or tons of ur own work...nearly makes life miserable

for everything else...as i sed for pdf n opera....i wud rather use my laptop n take all pain for opening n holding it than being gettin frustated in tryin 2 make a slow poor calling device a PDA

Enjoy~!

[amd64_man2005]

sorry..i dont agree on the durability part...se uses higher quality materials for its products..
the n95 has such pathetic build quality..tht peaple who rough use find it hard to evn comply with the set fr more than a year..while the k800 and others are more durable and have a solid feel to it..

dude i have the k850 and it kicks n95 big time..i have tried both the phones and k850 wins hands down..neun with an n95 care for a photo shootout?? :D

[faraaz]

Dont know about Sony Ericsson...but my N80 has been dropping in water 3 times, fell out of my pocket and down 1 flight of stairs, slipped out of my hands and fell from a height of 5 feet etc etc...works as good as brand new...to be honest?? I dont know what more to expect from a phone which is supposed to be a bit delicate in the first place...and nothing any other company can give me will be more impressive.

[krazzy]

in case if we talk abt symbian wat actually u get wit it...if u really need in day-to-day life.....tel me very frankly how comfortable u r while reading ur pdf files on phone's small screen.....and opera for browsing....wat basically i need for browsing on phone is given in se phones browser...cant ask for a broadband experince wit opera or ie6 in a small mobile phone....

now this is wat ppl mostly take a phone for....

1> camera - so we need a file manager to browse pictures n a good quality camera...
now abt video...which fool says nokia gets a ntsc or pal type vdo rec...it may b litle better than se but can u really take videos n watch it on tv....
logically whoever wants a nice vdo recorder wont look in mobile phones coz they suck big time....basically they can b properly viewed in phones nly n for that....thrs no diff betn se n nokia

2>music player - huge controversy already goin abt xm n walkman so wont create another....even m confused now :)

3>calling features-well cant comment abt one....as both have thr own advantageous features fr calling

4>sms- now here again...u can customise ur own way of mesaging so ppl can hv diff opinions....

5>network strength- thrs a rumour that se hv poor reception but tk it frm me...wit personel exprnce....u can judge on it....at times i c nok not getting signal n at times se....so cant select any one

6> battery life- here again.....most symbian phones hv poor bat lifes as recored by numbr of complains...this is also my personel exp....nok hv bat life in thier basic phones but they r not satisfactory in higher end phones becoz of symbian n all....se has good bat life....much to surprise of many but just coz it does not hv so much os job to do...lol

7>durability - i wud giv this 2 nokia...thier finishing material used is costlier n higher quality than any other phone....but again higher ends cant be so tuff wit camera n all stuffs.....n ya...u shd certainly wont make a cricket ball of ur cell if u buy one...

8>resale- its very common....nokias hv highes market share n hv highest resale value....

so my point is...for d first 4 points....say picture browsing or smsing, thrs no doubt that symbian loaded phones r too loaded to run these fast enough...compare wit se they r really swift(now plz dunt say tats false) n ofcourse viruses not 2 mention...tsa nightmare 2 turn ur bluetooth or use data cables or surf net if u dunt regularly update ur antivirus database....plus if things go wrong ur softies stop 2 respond properly making ur cell almost unsuable.....then long trips to dealers or tons of ur own work...nearly makes life miserable

for everything else...as i sed for pdf n opera....i wud rather use my laptop n take all pain for opening n holding it than being gettin frustated in tryin 2 make a slow poor calling device a PDA

Enjoy~!1. One can very well watch those videos on tv. All one needs is Nokia's tv out cable (which they bundle along with some high end phones like N95, N93, N82, 6500 Slide, etc.). The videos recorded by these phones is of very high quality. The first 3 phones i mentioned above can record videos in VGA resolution at 30 fps, which is as good as DVD-Video quality. Compared to that SE currently offers max QVGA resolution at 30 fps in K850i.

2. Walkmans have remained same over the years. Xpress Music phones have evolved and have now gone ahead. This is the fact and learn to live with it.

6. Symbian phones don't have poor battery life. Till date i only remember N95 being criticized for poor battery life. The reason why it has poor battery life because it had too many battery using features and the battery capacity was too small. Thats it. One phone does not make a phenomenon.

About viruses, first one should learn to be a responsible user, then complain about viruses. I had an N-Gage QD for 27 months. It was based on the old S60 which has a zillion viruses written for it, much more then there are for the current S60 v3. Still my phone never got any virus, despite having no anti-virus. And even i used bluetooth, gprs and installed stuff from net. But i used the correct part of my body to do the thinking.

About screen being small, it has to be to make the device portable. I can carry a smartphone almost every where, whereas that can't be done with a laptop, e.g. toilet. Imagine sitting on a toilet seat with a laptop on your lap.

[faraaz]

@speedyguy: Dude...640x480 rez video is dvd quality...you know that right??

[thelordrrulzzz]

I don't agree with people saying Nokia is the best because there's lots from the Sony Ericcson as well. This is because Nokia has got the largest range as mentioned before along with other things as well but SE is not too behind Nokia.
I have myself have used a Nokia6600 for about one and a half year and have come to the conclusion that Nokia no matter what lacks in terms of stability, Virus protection (remember the cabir virus scandal), easy availability of cheap software etc. All this concludes just one thing that Nokia though a front runner actually is not the best one can have.
Another point of discussion is the new clan of Nokia phones being launched with much publicity still lack the lustre to attract quite a people. http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/104.gif. Secondly even though Nokia claims to have improved sound & camera quality the truth is they have just improved the loudness and not the clearity. As for the camera section it is of no competition to that of SE phones.
All the SE phones features i realized after switchin over to a Sony Ericcson W810i. Its just one in all feature loaded phone http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/77.gif.
So final conclusion from me is that Nokia SUCKSSS http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/112.gif!!!! and Sony Ericcson RULZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/16.gif.

[faraaz]

Umm...fanboy much? Dude...source please! Your opinion doesn't count!

[krazzy]

Another point of discussion is the new clan of Nokia phones being launched with much publicity still lack the lustre to attract quite a people. http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/104.gif. Secondly even though Nokia claims to have improved sound & camera quality the truth is they have just improved the loudness and not the clearity. As for the camera section it is of no competition to that of SE phones.

So final conclusion from me is that Nokia SUCKSSS http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/112.gif!!!! and Sony Ericcson RULZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/16.gif.1. Yeah right! :rolleyes:

2. No Clearity, is it. Tell me, do you know about RMAA tests and their results being available on many review sites nowadays? These tests are solid proof of the sound quality of the latest Nokia phones. That is what I prefer to trust and believe, instead of the rants of some fanboy.

3. Ok you have eyes don't you. So open them to their full extent, go to GSMArena and check out the results of their latest 5mpix camera phone comparison test. All the other 3 phones beat the crap out of K850i. And they haven't even included N82 or G800 which are even better. It is SE here which is totally outclassed here.
4. Whatever!

Next time do your homework before ranting.

I wanted to stay away from this fight. I didn't want to blow Nokia's trumpet or flame SE, cause i'm neither Nokia fanboy nor SE hater. But the amount of noobism and fanboyism have gone out of control. So i had to step in to clear the facts and kick some fanboy butt!

[speedyguy]

k dude...i agree they hv launched tv out compatible phones on 640*480 @ 30fps....now checkout discussion forum in nokia.com - tons of complains regarding video recording in n90, n95 n all....at times thr r garbaging of audio to video ratio or at times poor framerate or poor quality....iv seen their dvd quality recording(as u say)...n dunno how they really sed 2 b dvd quality..cmon....its good but if really a 15-20k mobile gives u a dvd quality video rec then we r at closure of handycams wich costs more isnt it....mobiles can neva come close handycams coz they dont hv dedicated recording capabilities since they r bundled wit tons other stuffs...even picture quality is not that good compared to digicams but tats not much diff so ppl do count on it...

@faraaz: if u burn a svcd at 320*240 res then also u get a decent vision on tv play but tats not d point here.....is it? my vga cell supports picture res upto 1280*960 wich nokia's vga cant even dream of...that dosnt mean it competes megapixel digis....ts still vga only

@krazyfrog: i agree wit u on d walkman point....they r workin on their application n soft upgrade but xm hv modified their sound chips n hv taken over since recent past....hope 2 hv walkman hardware upgrade soon 2 join back d compition but fr now xm is d news.

abt battery life...move out of ur house goto nokia vendor n ask him number f complains abt batteries in nokia or u may simply google abt issues....i had k300i wit media player, infra n cam n all it ran double than n6600, n6060 n even slightly lower ends frm nok....my bro bought n3230 n just gave up his phn for bad battery....my roomates hv n72 and n90...they hardly manage to work for a day.

n ya abt viruses....u r one of lakhs whom iv seen free frm virus witout an antivirus in symbian....it all startd wit 6600 n so on....nokia is well known fr being most vulnerable to security threats coz of its symbian capability...u talkin abt ngage...i bet ngage n 6600 whr at a time leaders of corrupt software issues....dun only read reviews...they try 2 point out positives....go by technical issues forums whr experienced ppl discuss their problems...its countless for nok...ex - http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=63679
so dear if while browsing or transferring frm bluetooth if u get a virus from external source then even if u say -"About viruses, first one should learn to be a responsible user, then complain about viruses" that wont help u out...n ya dunt challenge a virus..they r smarter than us....

now for portability....lets compare....i use my laptop u use ur smartphone for reading a pdf...lets c who is fast n more comfortable...get it...n u may do it...but i wont prefer using my smartphone while sitting in toilet straining 2 read a pdf on a small n slow interface....talk sense....u didnt get wat i was pointing

Enjoy~!

[expertno.1]

n ya abt viruses....u r one of lakhs whom iv seen free frm virus witout an antivirus in symbian....it all startd wit 6600 n so on....nokia is well known fr being most vulnerable to security threats coz of its symbian capability...u talkin abt ngage...i bet ngage n 6600 whr at a time leaders of corrupt software issues....dun only read reviews...they try 2 point out positives....go by technical issues forums whr experienced ppl discuss their problems...its countless for nok...ex - http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=63679
so dear if while browsing or transferring frm bluetooth if u get a virus from external source then even if u say -"About viruses, first one should learn to be a responsible user, then complain about viruses" that wont help u out...n ya dunt challenge a virus..they r smarter than us....

Dude.....
Me too have been using N70 from last 2 years without any antivirus and i am the stuff freak....lots and lots of stuff are there in ma mobile ...presently more than 50 softwares.......without antivirus

and have never faced any virus problem or whatsoever in last 2 years....

"About viruses, first one should learn to be a responsible user, then complain about viruses" i agree with this statement .



now for portability....lets compare....i use my laptop u use ur smartphone for reading a pdf...lets c who is fast n more comfortable...get it...n u may do it...but i wont prefer using my smartphone while sitting in toilet straining 2 read a pdf on a small n slow interface....talk sense....u didnt get wat i was pointing

Enjoy~!

Dude your laptop will not make you receive calls in toilet :p.....besides laptop is a whole different thing.....i cant borrow a lappy to toilet .....
.....and i am sure that you have one mobile phone too :p.......so talk about mobile bhai......not a 14 inch screen device.....


Thanks
Regards.....
Expertno.1

[ambar.hitman]

All i can say is symbian beats java anyday. If u want good music,get an ipod; if u want good cam,get handycam. If u want apps,get laptop. But if u want a multimedia device with computing capabilities,get Nokia. I simply cant live without my N70. The endless possibilities it provides via 100s of softwares is fantastic.

[expertno.1]

THE REAL thing is that sony ericsson is only famous for its looks and music in value for money and NOTHING else ......

but now Nokia has entered in these regions and has taken control over it ....

So prefer Nokia :)


Thanks
Regards.....
Expertno.1

[krazzy]

k dude...i agree they hv launched tv out compatible phones on 640*480 @ 30fps....now checkout discussion forum in nokia.com - tons of complains regarding video recording in n90, n95 n all....at times thr r garbaging of audio to video ratio or at times poor framerate or poor quality....iv seen their dvd quality recording(as u say)...n dunno how they really sed 2 b dvd quality..cmon....its good but if really a 15-20k mobile gives u a dvd quality video rec then we r at closure of handycams wich costs more isnt it....mobiles can neva come close handycams coz they dont hv dedicated recording capabilities since they r bundled wit tons other stuffs...even picture quality is not that good compared to digicams but tats not much diff so ppl do count on it...Forget the DVD quality claim. Don't you atleast agree to the fact that watching a 640x480 res video @ 30 fps (which is what Nokia offers) would be better than 320x240 2 30 fps (which is what SE offers at present)? Plus Nokia even gives you the option of watching it on a TV screen, which IMO is infinitely better than watching on a phone screen. Obviously the quality is much worse compared to a Handycam, but its still the best that you can get in a mobile phone at present.
my vga cell supports picture res upto 1280*960 wich nokia's vga cant even dream of...that dosnt mean it competes megapixel digis....ts still vga onlyThat isn't true megapixel image you get there. Your camera is capturing the image in VGA and then interpolating it to megapixel. That by no means is a mighty achievement or something to shout about. Everyone knows how crappy interpolated images are and how one should avoid it like plague.

abt battery life...move out of ur house goto nokia vendor n ask him number f complains abt batteries in nokia or u may simply google abt issues....i had k300i wit media player, infra n cam n all it ran double than n6600, n6060 n even slightly lower ends frm nok....my bro bought n3230 n just gave up his phn for bad battery....my roomates hv n72 and n90...they hardly manage to work for a day.If you use your phone heavily, its bound to give you low battery life. I own a W710i which sometimes I charge twice a day because I use it heavily, but you don't see me complaining. Sometimes when I don't use it much it lasts for two whole days. So it all boils down to usage, not the OS it runs on.

dun only read reviews...they try 2 point out positives....go by technical issues forums whr experienced ppl discuss their problems...its countless for nokiaWhy should I read others problems when I myself owned the device for more than a year and had no problems with it?

so dear if while browsing or transferring frm bluetooth if u get a virus from external source then even if u say -"About viruses, first one should learn to be a responsible user, then complain about viruses" that wont help u out...n ya dunt challenge a virus..they r smarter than us....Yeah right, Viruses were the ones to invent Human Beings so we should all fear them and consider them smarter. No wait, isn't it the other way around...

now for portability....lets compare....i use my laptop u use ur smartphone for reading a pdf...lets c who is fast n more comfortable...get it...n u may do it...but i wont prefer using my smartphone while sitting in toilet straining 2 read a pdf on a small n slow interface....talk sense....u didnt get wat i was pointingIts not about being fast or comfortable. Its about the convenience of carrying the devices at a lot more places where you could not take your laptop, but you can take your phone. The very fact that I can read my pdfs at a place like toilet (not that I would, just giving an example:D) is enough for me. Thats the reason we use mobile phones in the first place, don't we? The landlines are much cheaper and offer better call quality, but can we take them everywhere? No. We use cell phones. That was my point, which YOU missed.

(Replying to your post has made me feel I've grown a year old)

[Pathik]

^^ Reading it made me two years older. :D

BTW Fanboyism wont harm the company. It ll only harm you.

@faraaz: if u burn a svcd at 320*240 res then also u get a decent vision on tv play but tats not d point here.....is it? my vga cell supports picture res upto 1280*960 wich nokia's vga cant even dream of...that dosnt mean it competes megapixel digis....ts still vga only
But it is still better than any SE celll, Isn't it?

[faraaz]

^^ - True dat...what Nokia video does to Sony we call pwning...hell, the only way SE can beat Nokia at video is if they start bundling their handy cams free with the mobile! :D

[ambar.hitman]

Abe pathik after reading this entire topic, i realised that people here dont like symbian coz it can get virus. What noobness,rofl. One guy even mentioned that symbian is for old people.OMFG, this is a noob breeding place.

[Pathik]

Hehe. Dont be disillusioned by this topic. There are many good & sane people in this forum and this topic too :D . (BTW good to see u here.)

[ambar.hitman]

Abe pathik after reading this entire topic, i realised that people here dont like symbian coz it can get virus. What noobness,rofl. One guy even mentioned that symbian is for old people.OMFG, this is a noob breeding place.

[Cool G5]

lol.
Agree.
I too am a symbian freak & once again i would say it's a great os & i havent encountered any virus till date.

[speedyguy]

k fine now heres my exp....had t105 wich acually has nuttin other than calling so no issues...then bought 3220 for cam whr i cudnt recognise myself from its pic...then took 6600 for 13k...1 mnths aftr my real player stopped responding n stated some formatting error bla bla...soon other softwares had same n even slowed d already slow cell furthur down....went 2 dealer her said will format my cell coz it has virus....i lost all my pics n msges in hurry...then worked fine fr somtime but aftr tons of bluetooth exchnge n datacable usage frm diff systems turned to even worse state...i disposed it then bought 7610(megapixel)....was excited abt its camera but soon suffered similar problems....i screamed at nokia dealers they sed dunt use bluetooth or datacables at risky areas....now if i dunt wat hell is it given for...n how do i determine safety of a region....i just stopped using it but didnt dispose it....my bro gave me 3230....which was again gud at time but then came battery life issue.....plus its sound su##ed big time....finlly i got k300i whose price was almost half to them but sound n cam was tons better than all above...plus peace of mind wit no virus, no soft issue...i can browse, listen 2 music, take ok sort of pictures n access my cell very swiftly....coz of its low mem i changed it 2 n72 (current) whose sound is fine but again damn slowwwwwwwww.....had 2 format once not coz of virus but simply it was slow...dealer sed iv bundled it too much.....newez

expertno.1:
"THE REAL thing is that sony ericsson is only famous for its looks and music in value for money and NOTHING else ......
"

add cam to...sir wat else u want frm a poor little phone...

krazyfrog:
"Yeah right, Viruses were the ones to invent Human Beings so we should all fear them and consider them smarter. No wait, isn't it the other way around..."

humans invented nuclear...so it means if its abt 2 blow on us we shud not fear or do anything abt it just coz we only invented it...cant harm us...rite?
wen u get actually blown ur system or cell wit virus...for u it will turn around...

krazyfrog:
"That isn't true megapixel image you get there. Your camera is capturing the image in VGA and then interpolating it to megapixel. That by no means is a mighty achievement or something to shout about. Everyone knows how crappy interpolated images are and how one should avoid it like plague."

well some guys still gettin me wrong...for now...i do agree to it dat n95 has got better cam n xm crossed se...infact i am a nok user...but m jst discoussing to number f problems iv faced wit nokia...i was very happy wit k300 wit nice sound, cam(for vga atleast) n usability

ps: this thread should be shifted 2 fight club i guess. :)

Enjoy~!

[Pathik]

k fine now heres my exp....had t105 wich acually has nuttin other than calling so no issues...then bought 3220 for cam whr i cudnt recognise myself from its pic...then took 6600 for 13k...1 mnths aftr my real player stopped responding n stated some formatting error bla bla...soon other softwares had same n even slowed d already slow cell furthur down....went 2 dealer her said will format my cell coz it has virus....i lost all my pics n msges in hurry...then worked fine fr somtime but aftr tons of bluetooth exchnge n datacable usage frm diff systems turned to even worse state...i disposed it then bought 7610(megapixel)....was excited abt its camera but soon suffered similar problems....i screamed at nokia dealers they sed dunt use bluetooth or datacables at risky areas....now if i dunt wat hell is it given for...n how do i determine safety of a region....i just stopped using it but didnt dispose it....my bro gave me 3230....which was again gud at time but then came battery life issue.....plus its sound su##ed big time....finlly i got k300i whose price was almost half to them but sound n cam was tons better than all above...plus peace of mind wit no virus, no soft issue...i can browse, listen 2 music, take ok sort of pictures n access my cell very swiftly....coz of its low mem i changed it 2 n72 (current) whose sound is fine but again damn slowwwwwwwww.....had 2 format once not coz of virus but simply it was slow...dealer sed iv bundled it too much.....newez

expertno.1:
"THE REAL thing is that sony ericsson is only famous for its looks and music in value for money and NOTHING else ......
"

add cam to...sir wat else u want frm a poor little phone...

krazyfrog:
"Yeah right, Viruses were the ones to invent Human Beings so we should all fear them and consider them smarter. No wait, isn't it the other way around..."

humans invented nuclear...so it means if its abt 2 blow on us we shud not fear or do anything abt it just coz we only invented it...cant harm us...rite?
wen u get actually blown ur system or cell wit virus...for u it will turn around...

krazyfrog:
"That isn't true megapixel image you get there. Your camera is capturing the image in VGA and then interpolating it to megapixel. That by no means is a mighty achievement or something to shout about. Everyone knows how crappy interpolated images are and how one should avoid it like plague."

i know ts not an mp to get me an mp image...iv given an example for an interpolated image wich shoud be avoided like plague....take a look

@pathiks:
is it better than nokia....take a look urself
these pics taken at same time at same place wit single person

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1841/sek300itv7.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sek300itv7.jpg)
K300i (VGA) Rs. 4.7k

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/3333/nokia6600ef1.th.jpg (http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nokia6600ef1.jpg)
N6600 (VGA) Rs. 8k (approx)

well some guys still gettin me wrong...for now...i do agree to it dat n95 has got better cam n xm crossed se...infact i am a nok user...but m jst discoussing to number f problems iv faced wit nokia...i was very happy wit k300 wit nice sound, cam(for vga atleast) n usability

ps: this thread should be shifted 2 fight club i guess. :)

Enjoy~!
1st of all, Cute baby. :)
Ok agreed that Nokia 6600's cam quality sucked before a k300i.
BTW there was a blur in the 6600 pic. So i suppose your hand wasnt stable wen taking the snap.
Also compare any 2mp fones from nokia and SE in the same price range now.
And also y do u always compare VGA fones wen it comes to Cam.?

[krazzy]

I'll just say two things:
1. I used all the Nokia phones you mentioned and didn't face any problems with them. Ever.

2. Don't believe what Nokia Service Centre people say. They are the last people in the world that know anything right about Nokia phones. I guess Nokia only hires people who don't know anything about Nokia phones as Service Centre employees. Take any Nokia smartphone with any problem, and their solution would be to format the phone. Jerks.

And about nuclear bombs, its totally different from viruses. Current viruses don't yet blow up your phone. Atleast I haven't seen a mushroom cloud above the house of a person with an infected smartphone.

[ambar.hitman]

One thing i have noticed on every forum is that every now and then, a new sony ericsson user pops up asking for avi player for his mobile. And when he realises the harsh truth,he goes blah blah over how excellent the sound quality is and how he doesnt worry about viruses and sh1t. Deep inside,he knows what he is missing. I just cant think of a phone used just to play songs and take pics. I havent listened to any song on my n70 since one month. All i do is browse 2-3 sites at once, download and watch full mobile movies,use symella(p2p client),play GBA games(yes,theres a Game Boy Advance emulator),read my training documents,use im+,stream live movies without lag etc etc. All at the same cost of a so called walkman phone.

[Indyan]

I voted SE because :-
i) Better interface
ii) More features
iii) Better pricing
iv) Better looks

Nokia has a slightly better build quality but SE isnt bad either.

[ambar.hitman]

I voted SE because :-
i) Better interface
ii) More features
iii) Better pricing
iv) Better looks

Nokia has a slightly better build quality but SE isnt bad either.
Here we go again,SE has more features??? lmao

[thelordrrulzzz]

1. Yeah right! :rolleyes:

2. No Clearity, is it. Tell me, do you know about RMAA tests and their results being available on many review sites nowadays? These tests are solid proof of the sound quality of the latest Nokia phones. That is what I prefer to trust and believe, instead of the rants of some fanboy.

3. Ok you have eyes don't you. So open them to their full extent, go to GSMArena and check out the results of their latest 5mpix camera phone comparison test. All the other 3 phones beat the crap out of K850i. And they haven't even included N82 or G800 which are even better. It is SE here which is totally outclassed here.
4. Whatever!

Next time do your homework before ranting.

I wanted to stay away from this fight. I didn't want to blow Nokia's trumpet or flame SE, cause i'm neither Nokia fanboy nor SE hater. But the amount of noobism and fanboyism have gone out of control. So i had to step in to clear the facts and kick some fanboy butt!

@krazyfrog

1] How many times have you heard that a Sony Ericcson phone has crashed due to a Virus????? This is the main problem of Nokia phones even now they suffer from the vulnerability of viruses. All this thanks to the Symbian OS which most of the Nokia phones are using. Even the java variant is Series40 a pathetic attempt by Nokia to rectify it.

2]As for the RMAA Tests there are these particular test results which i found out from a site which is comparing M-Audio Audiophile 2496 mp3 player and SE phones (W810i, W800i and K800i) though i could not get any comparison for Nokia phones.
Here is the link to the same.

W810i comparisons (http://www.daefeatures.co.uk/tests/W800i,%20W810i,%20K800i.htm)

Here are the results for an Ipod 4Gb mini from the same site.

iPod Mini4Gb Results (http://www.daefeatures.co.uk/tests/iPodMini4GB.htm)

Now lemme tell you that SE Walkman tag phones come bundled with the Walkman plug in type of ear phones which serve the purpose of Noise Reduction as well due to their structure. This gives the it an edge over other similar competitors. Secondly the tests mentioned by you also indicate that Sony is not far behind. Obviously one cannot have a straight comparison of a dedicated music player and any phones that's absurd. I myself have a transcend T Sonic 610. So i have compared the sound outputs of a T Sonic610, SE W810i and a Nokia N72 and have found out that the order of supremacy is 610, W810i and N72.

3] Coming to the camera discussion. Its not fair to compare a 5Mp camera with that of a 2Mp or 3.2Mp camera (which is the max which Sony has till date). I know that Nokia leads the cell phone sector but it suffers miserably in the camera department.
Here is an unaltered pic (in its full glory) taken by my W810i to support the claim.

http://i10.tinypic.com/7xmvr0y.jpg


4] Lastly neither I am a Nokia critic nor a Sony mascot to promote it. I was just expressing my views from my past experiences with a Nokia6600 and its just a reviews section not meant for fights and butt kicking. I mean we all are geeks brought together by thinkdigit to share our knowledge and help each otherhttp://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/1.gif.

P.S.- I don't bragg about anything neither am i a fanboy of any particular brand. I always buy my gadgets after proper research work. Neither i am here to extend this and continue fighting and get banned eventually. I say it again that it was an expression of my thoughts on Nokia. That's it End of Story.
Amen http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/67.gif

And one more thing everyone here is entitled to his/her individual opinions. http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/46.gif

[krazzy]

@krazyfrog

1] How many times have you heard that a Sony Ericcson phone has crashed due to a Virus????? This is the main problem of Nokia phones even now they suffer from the vulnerability of viruses. All this thanks to the Symbian OS which most of the Nokia phones are using. Even the java variant is Series40 a pathetic attempt by Nokia to rectify it.

2]As for the RMAA Tests there are these particular test results which i found out from a site which is comparing M-Audio Audiophile 2496 mp3 player and SE phones (W810i, W800i and K800i) though i could not get any comparison for Nokia phones.
Here is the link to the same.

W810i comparisons (http://www.daefeatures.co.uk/tests/W800i,%20W810i,%20K800i.htm)

Here are the results for an Ipod 4Gb mini from the same site.

iPod Mini4Gb Results (http://www.daefeatures.co.uk/tests/iPodMini4GB.htm)

Now lemme tell you that SE Walkman tag phones come bundled with the Walkman plug in type of ear phones which serve the purpose of Noise Reduction as well due to their structure. This gives the it an edge over other similar competitors. Secondly the tests mentioned by you also indicate that Sony is not far behind. Obviously one cannot have a straight comparison of a dedicated music player and any phones that's absurd. I myself have a transcend T Sonic 610. So i have compared the sound outputs of a T Sonic610, SE W810i and a Nokia N72 and have found out that the order of supremacy is 610, W810i and N72.

3] Coming to the camera discussion. Its not fair to compare a 5Mp camera with that of a 2Mp or 3.2Mp camera (which is the max which Sony has till date). I know that Nokia leads the cell phone sector but it suffers miserably in the camera department.
Here is an unaltered pic (in its full glory) taken by my W810i to support the claim.

http://i10.tinypic.com/7xmvr0y.jpg


4] Lastly neither I am a Nokia critic nor a Sony mascot to promote it. I was just expressing my views from my past experiences with a Nokia6600 and its just a reviews section not meant for fights and butt kicking. I mean we all are geeks brought together by thinkdigit to share our knowledge and help each otherhttp://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/1.gif.

P.S.- I don't bragg about anything neither am i a fanboy of any particular brand. I always buy my gadgets after proper research work. Neither i am here to extend this and continue fighting and get banned eventually. I say it again that it was an expression of my thoughts on Nokia. That's it End of Story.
Amen http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/67.gif

And one more thing everyone here is entitled to his/her individual opinions. http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/46.gif 1. You don't need to have symbian os for your phone to crash. See post no. 24 on this page: http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76063&page=2 Does his K790i also has Symbian OS? Even my W710i restarts sometimes, for no reason whatsoever. The screen goes white, then black and then the phone restarts after about 15 seconds. And S40 is not an attempt to rectify the faults of S60. S40 was there way before S60 even came. You need to get some facts straight.

2. I never said Walkmans sound bad. I just meant that Nokia phones are no pushovers when it comes to sound quality, and the RMAA tests on GSMArena and Mobile Review prove that.

3. Dude you really have to get your facts straight. K850i IS a 5mpix camera phone, and thats why it was compared to other 5mpix camera phones in that comparison test on GSMArena (which i bet you didn't read).

[infra_red_dude]

I haf some strange experiences. Out of all the XM phones, I find 5310 the best. BTW, 5700 is a joke, imho, as far as "music quality" is concerned. Marketting gimmik... more so.

5310 sounds really good. If I am rite, 5310 has the same hardware as 5610 (music only!), but still I found the former beating the latter. 5610 was just "loud" and lacked quality.

Abt cam... I'd say (upto 3.2mp, hafnt personally tested any 5mp cam phone yet), SE has always won for me!

Build quality I find no difference between both, except the low end phones where Nokia owns SE. SE J200 series etc. are just cheap delicate good for nothing plastics! The feature bundle is fine but build quality.. yuck! Had to throw out a J200i recently.

[amd64_man2005]

xcuse me guys but gsm never conducted a xm test until a few weeks back when they came up with a review of the 5610..and i dnt think they ever mentioned the word great music along with it...and mobile-review clearly states tht both of them are competent in different genres..none outdoing the other in a single genre..

now as per cam in the k850 is concerned..u need to learn to use the cam in it..its more a digicam and u can change iso and other settings to vastly improve the cam quality...check out mobile-reviews take on the k850..they clearly mention tht as of now no phone comes evn close to challenge the k850s imaging capabilities..so whom do u trust?/gsmarena or sony-ericsson..wat i have seen of the phone till now..i shall clearly go with mobile review..neun interested on a photo fight can ping me..

m always ready to fight for se :D

SE Rulezzzz

[krazzy]

xcuse me guys but gsm never conducted a xm test until a few weeks back when they came up with a review of the 5610..and i dnt think they ever mentioned the word great music along with it...and mobile-review clearly states tht both of them are competent in different genres..none outdoing the other in a single genre..

now as per cam in the k850 is concerned..u need to learn to use the cam in it..its more a digicam and u can change iso and other settings to vastly improve the cam quality...check out mobile-reviews take on the k850..they clearly mention tht as of now no phone comes evn close to challenge the k850s imaging capabilities..so whom do u trust?/gsmarena or sony-ericsson..wat i have seen of the phone till now..i shall clearly go with mobile review..neun interested on a photo fight can ping me..

m always ready to fight for se :D

SE Rulezzzz GSMArena has only reviewed 5310. The 5610 review is taken from mobilemania website and hence lacks the sound tests. But in both reviews in the conclusion they said that the phones sound excellent. About Mobile-Review review, then once again you have to read the final conclusion where they say that Nokia's Xpress Music and Samsung Ultra Music phones are better than Walkman.

About the K850i review on M-R, it was done a while back when N95 was the only other 5mpix camera phone and using and old firmware. Now we have N95, N95 8gb and N82. The former two have benefitted from new firmwares while the latter is excellent as is. Whats more, Xenon flash, till now an exclusive feature of SE Cybershot phones, is also there on N82 and actually performs better on it (see GSMArena review of N82, N82's flash is clearly brighter than K850i). I agree SE's previous camera phones like K800i or K750i were excellent. But sadly SE could not carry on the tradition and came up with a device with just increased resolution but decreased quality. Its not hard to see how each and every other 5mpix camera phone beats K850i in terms on performance, and that too on default settings. K850i generally is an excellent phone. But an excellent camera phone, which is what many people expected, it isn't. And I know SE purposely did this. I'm sure they'll soon come out with a proper 5mpix camera phone, one worthy of carrying the Cybershot name. Till then SE remains pawned in the 5mpix competition.

[Indyan]

Here we go again,SE has more features??? lmao
Yes, for a given pricepoint you would get more features in a SE phone.

[thelordrrulzzz]

1. You don't need to have symbian os for your phone to crash. See post no. 24 on this page: http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76063&page=2 Does his K790i also has Symbian OS? Even my W710i restarts sometimes, for no reason whatsoever. The screen goes white, then black and then the phone restarts after about 15 seconds. And S40 is not an attempt to rectify the faults of S60. S40 was there way before S60 even came. You need to get some facts straight.

2. I never said Walkmans sound bad. I just meant that Nokia phones are no pushovers when it comes to sound quality, and the RMAA tests on GSMArena and Mobile Review prove that.

3. Dude you really have to get your facts straight. K850i IS a 5mpix camera phone, and thats why it was compared to other 5mpix camera phones in that comparison test on GSMArena (which i bet you didn't read).

yup i agree on that part of yours. I didn't quite checked those facts while posting. http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/4.gif
But one thing is for sure from this discussion that no matter whatever we say or comment there are advantages and disadvantages of each particular brand. This is what makes them compete with each other in the markethttp://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/67.gif.
What say buddy??http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/1.gif
Regards.

[krazzy]

But one thing is for sure from this discussion that no matter whatever we say or comment there are advantages and disadvantages of each particular brand. This is what makes them compete with each other in the markethttp://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/67.gif.
What say buddy??http://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/1.gifAbsolutely. Neither Nokia makes perfect phones nor SE. Also we must not forget other manufacturers too like Samsung, LG, Motorola, etc. For e.g. Samsung U600 is an excellent phone with many great features and costs only 11.5k. Same goes for Moto ROKR E6. These good products often get ignored because of people choosing to go for popular brands instead of good products.

[amd64_man2005]

hmmm....yea k850 with a beta firmware actually beat the hell out of n95......i get it...no point xplaining...

[thelordrrulzzz]

Absolutely. Neither Nokia makes perfect phones nor SE. Also we must not forget other manufacturers too like Samsung, LG, Motorola, etc. For e.g. Samsung U600 is an excellent phone with many great features and costs only 11.5k. Same goes for Moto ROKR E6. These good products often get ignored because of people choosing to go for popular brands instead of good products.

yup well said my friend. In the competition of big league companies the minor underdogs which also have a lot of good products are often missed out by the consumerhttp://gigasmilies.googlepages.com/3.gif.

[Cool G5]

Absolutely. Neither Nokia makes perfect phones nor SE. Also we must not forget other manufacturers too like Samsung, LG, Motorola, etc. For e.g. Samsung U600 is an excellent phone with many great features and costs only 11.5k. Same goes for Moto ROKR E6. These good products often get ignored because of people choosing to go for popular brands instead of good products.

Yup agree.
But this is Nokia vs SE thread.
So what's the point including these other brands.
No offense intended. :)

[krazzy]

Yup agree.
But this is Nokia vs SE thread.
So what's the point including these other brands.
No offense intended. :) None taken. :-) I know this is Nokia vs SE thread. I was just explaining the general mindset of cellphone buyers in India.

[speedyguy]

pahiks:
"Ok agreed that Nokia 6600's cam quality sucked before a k300i.
BTW there was a blur in the 6600 pic. So i suppose your hand wasnt stable wen taking the snap"

was holding both cells sticking to each other by side...u can observe that carefully...child is lukin at one cell while other also took it....so no question of shaking one...or both shud hv been shaken

"Also compare any 2mp fones from nokia and SE in the same price range now.
And also y do u always compare VGA fones wen it comes to Cam.?"

sure go ahead...compare any 2mp phones from se n nokia n tel me...plz post source too....se 3mp pawned nokias 3.2 mp wen 3mp was introduced....agree to mp issue currently...read d reviews...tats whr se r fooling arnd....they shud upgrade thier h/w instead of working on interface...

and abt mushroom cloud issue...ofcourse if thread is properly read it wud make sense wat words r used 2 pose wat meaning...still if i need 2 make it clear....i didnt mean to repeat hiroshima n nagasaki issues again...was just conveying a message that problems(like virus in this case) can attack witout ur permission while using bt, data, or gprs n its trouble then....if at all it wont burst ur cell...now this is fine i hope?

"One thing i have noticed on every forum is that every now and then, a new sony ericsson user pops up asking for avi player for his mobile. And when he realises the harsh truth,he goes blah blah over how excellent the sound quality is and how he doesnt worry about viruses and sh1t. Deep inside,he knows what he is missing. I just cant think of a phone used just to play songs and take pics. I havent listened to any song on my n70 since one month. All i do is browse 2-3 sites at once, download and watch full mobile movies,use symella(p2p client),play GBA games(yes,theres a Game Boy Advance emulator),read my training documents,use im+,stream live movies without lag etc etc. All at the same cost of a so called walkman phone"

wen discussion is abt basically using the phone for wat we actually call it a phone is msg n calls...cams, gprs, media, os all r secondary....another harsh truth is dat wen i need 2 use msg or call features i wud select a phn which is quick n easy interface n not bundled too much 2 make it complicated so whr shd i go....i wud sey then n1100 rite....if u want secondary like cam, music, internet which is now quite common in phones fr basic use...then se is anyday better for using if ur a busy person.....n dunt hv time 2 waste watching a screen saying "opening..." which is alwez in nokia...congrats u got an avi player but thats wat u needed....i can find 3gp vids downloads over streaming/download even in my x-phone(k300 for 4.7k), will send u links if u want....

nw i took n72 (2mp) for arnd 8.9k...