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Originally Posted by mediator

Well @imranais....bro dont get me wrong! But I too feel there shud be no laws for one specific religion! Thats partiality then. There shudnt be any laws for any religion! I'm not a religious person though I'm a Hindu.That means I'm not religously devoted. I dont practise any prayers(except just before exams) and fasts. But for the sake of masses who are emotionally attached to religion I support a few things like celebrating holidays like Diwali,Holi,Id etc which bring happiness and one day off !

No bro you talk sense so I am not getting u wrong! All laws are applicable for all citizens of India. No criminal of India is treated as per his/her religion. No one is above the Law in India. Having said that there are a few exceptions for everyone. This is because there are some laws such as Inheritance rights, marriage, divorce etc are different in Muslim laws based on teachings of Qur'an and teachings of the prophet. With regards to partiality, one cannot tell a Sikh to wear a Helmet bec its compulsory by law, there are exeptions. There is no theory which can legitimately argue that people are going to be more integrated simply because they are governed by a uniform civil code. For example, even though Hindus and Sikhs have the same personal laws, the anti-Sikhs riots took place in 1984. What happened to national integration in this case? Similarly, no one can say with certainty that Hindus and Muslims will stop reaching for each other’s necks if there is a Uniform Civil Code UCC in place. So why argue about this point as these would also put extra burden on already full of burden courts. Cases such as Inheritance, divorce etc which are given on judgement in days by Shariat courts, if goto courts will take years...

Originally Posted by mediator

As for rules and laws in a religion, I think its a torture to have such a religion which has rules. In mah opinion life shud be lived freely,ethically,non-violently in a civilised society. If u let some religious rules govern ur life then I dont think ur living life freely and happily. Many people say religion is a set of rules and laws! But tell me any rules in Hinduism that is there to follow. I dont know any rules nor I follow any religious rule if there's any.

Rules of religion are bound to be followed. I am not preaching religion here but in Islam, Drinking is prohibited, there is a reason for it isn't it? No true muslim will ever go and drink, if he does he is no more a muslim. In Islam, No man can have illegal sex before marriage or sex with other women after marriage. The Islamic Law states that if a man is found guilty of such a crime he should be stoned to death. Imagine if this law is implemented in any country, will any person commit heinous crime of Rape, he would fear his life and the torture of getting stoned to death in public. There are many laws which are logical and for betterment of life, if I start listing it would probably take pages.

Originally Posted by mediator

Prayer,Namaz etc are nothing but a form of meditation and associated with spirituality. But if u say u shud do prayers all the time then what are u doing in life? Are u moving forward? Are u helping others? Are u earning maximum money to keep ur family happy?

Yes Bro I agree with u that prayer's are form of meditation. In fact Namaz means submitting ur will to the almighty God. God never asked to pray all the time. But one should thank and praise God for everything he has given to us. A Person has other duties also to perform towards his parents, family, friends etc. Treat everyone with respect and spread peace and also working and earning money is important, but the right means of earning is also governed by religious laws. Money should be earned by looting someone or cheating someone but in a manner which is accpetable to all. And Islam specifically states a lot in the Qur'an about Education. Muslims who do not educate their children (boy/girl) are nothing but ignorant towards Islam.

Originally Posted by mediator

I dunno about Sharia, but I know about the concept of "Talak Talak Talak"! Why is there a separate rule for divorce in Muslim community? I appreciate that u understood mah previous post and boast about ur patriotism and are proud to be an Indian. But then why is that Muslims dont follow national rule on divorce, but follow a rule that is modified and made by a few Islamic clerics? Who gave such rights to these clerics to modify Islam and govern ur life? Isnt Islam urs? Will they tell u what do now?

Triple Talaq has been argued many times. Believe me there are lot of conditions involved with giving Triple Talaq. A person cannot say 3 times Talaq and he is divorced (as commonly understood by all), but there are lots and lots of conditions to it. I am not boasting about my Patriotism, I dont need to but you rightly said I am a proud Indian and like I said earlier there are exceptions. I dont listen or let anyone rule by life like you said, if it matches with the Qur'an and teachings of Prophet it is to be followed or it is simply to be Rejected no matter which cleric has said or modified it.

Originally Posted by mediator

Dont ISlamic women have the life to live freely like other women? If u think its for protecting the girls in the family so that no one eyes them then every other girl of all other religions are protected and educated in some manner. But they are not denied of their life. Remember its the woman who holds the key to family happiness! If u give the household power to her then ur happy for the rest of ur life!

Islam gives equal rights to women as compared to men. Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.

Originally Posted by mediator

And one more thing I dont like in any religion is violent activities like slaughtering of animals like goats and that too in numbers just for the sake of religion! I consider killing an animal just like that equivalent to murdering people and doing terrorism! Religious holdays shu be celebrated without causing any pain to people or animals!
Similarly I criticise people who celebrate too much diwali! 2-5 crackers is OK. But then polluting the atmosphere so that people dont even get to breath is not OK.

It seems u are a vegetarian...
Humans have Omnivorous set of teeth
If you observe the teeth of herbivorous animals like the cow, goat and sheep, you will find something strikingly similar in all of them. All these animals have a set of flat teeth i.e. suited for herbivorous diet. If you observe the set of teeth of the carnivorous animals like the lion, tiger, or leopard, they all have a set of pointed teeth i.e. suited for a carnivorous diet. If you analyze the set of teeth of humans, you find that they have flat teeth as well as pointed teeth. Thus they have teeth suited for both herbivorous as well as carnivorous food i.e. they are omnivorous. One may ask, if Almighty God wanted humans to have only vegetables, why did He provide us also with pointed teeth? It is logical that He expected us to need and to have both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food.
Human beings can digest both vegetarian and non-vegetarian food
The digestive system of herbivorous animals can digest only vegetables. The digestive system of carnivorous animals can digest only meat. But the digestive system of humans can digest both vegetarian and non-vegetarian food. If Almighty God wanted us to have only vegetables then why did He give us a digestive system that can digest both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food?
Even plants have life
Certain religions have adopted pure vegetarianism as a dietary law because they are totally against the killing of living creatures. If a person can survive without killing any living creature, I would be the first person to adopt such a way of life. In the past people thought plants were lifeless. Today it is a universal fact that even plants have life. Today science tells us that even plants can feel pain. But the cry of the plant cannot be heard by the human being. This is due to the inability of the human ear to hear sounds that are not in the audible range i.e. 20 Hertz to 20,000 Hertz. Anything below and above this range cannot be heard by a human being. Thus their logic of not killing living creatures is not fulfilled even by being a pure vegetarian.
If every human being was a vegetarian, it would lead to overpopulation of cattle in the world, since their reproduction and multiplication is very swift. Allah (swt) in His Divine Wisdom knows how to maintain the balance of His creation appropriately. No wonder He has permitted us to have the meat of the cattle. It is mentioned in Manu Smruti, the law book of Hindus, in chapter 5 verse 30
"The eater who eats the flesh of those to be eaten does nothing bad, even if he does it day after day, for God himself created some to be eaten and some to be eater."

Originally Posted by mediator

Neways just like u read my earlier post line by line and understood it. I want u to read the same this and meditate again on what I said!

I read ur post line by line, and expect you read my post in the same way....

Originally Posted by mediator

I supported u previously because u had a point. U liked my post because I supported u and u thought I was sensible enough. But dont get me wrong this time. I support ur views now also but not the "laws" thing.
Debates like this are meant to tell ur thoughts about the topic. Other debaters shud understand what the person is trying to say before speaking his own thoughts!

I didnt like your post because you supported me but because you gave a reading to it and replied with lot of sense. I respect people who have open mind and are open to discussions and debate and so I respect u a lot bro!

Originally Posted by mediator

Suppose if some hindus or christians criticise islam, then its understood that u'll get angry. But rather u shud think why are they criticing? Similarly if some Muslims crtitices other hindus. The matter shud be thought of in the same way!

I totally agree with u on this!

Originally Posted by mediator

Try to think about what I said. I appreciate u didnt made personal comments and burst off because of misunderstanding but rather tried to defend ur community!

Thanks for understanding that I was only defending and not preaching or offending someone.

Originally Posted by mediator

I expect muslims like u to give a fitting answer to people like Osama and countries like Pakistan and tell them that their attempts wont succeed and wont bring any communal violence!

Yes I and all Indian Muslims (there may be a few uneducated exceptions as there are black sheeps in every religion) stand against a Terrorist country like Pakistan and also against all violence happening anywhere in the world for any damn reason.

Thanks for reading patiently, would like to hear more comments and clarifications from u soon, Thanks!